installing and 3D Printing with Bondtech Extruders on the Raise3D N2+ 3D Printer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2018
- Bondtech extruders are known for being some of the best in the industry. They provide a high level of performance and reliability. Bondtech sent over their dual extruder setup for the Raise3D N2+ and wanted me to give it a shot. SO I DID, WITH SOME HELP.
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I have the Bond Tech installed on my Mono Price Maker Select V2, and I love it. I did have a small problem at first with adjusting the steppers, but after a few tries, got it working perfectly!
Honestly your videos are soooo much better now!! LOVE IT!!
Thank you! I'm trying to remember to have fun while the camera is on :)
Very nice intro to the Bondtech extruder. I recently upgraded my Delta printer to a Bondtech, and have also installed a Bondtech in the RailCore 300ZL I’m building. It’s a great extruder!
Love the interweave of flex and non flex! Could do some great stuff with that!
I just got one of these extruders for my N2+ and was quite stumped. Thanks for the help!
Welcome! Glad I could help!
Nice tech vid. When you crushed the flexible vase that was awesome!
It's WAY more fun than it should be :)
@@3DPrintingNerd It looks like a Twizzler.
Makes a great coffe cozy 😆
9:23 That vase smash is amazing!
I ordered a bondtech extruder the other day for my cr-10s3. Can't wait to get it😃
Thanks Joel !
i would like to see more mixing of pla and fixable materials
I would as well :)
8:32 I like how his voice changes when he says "wavy vase"
Finally, i have been looking at the upgrade kit for a while now and now i can see some proper comparisons :D
I now use only one nozzle and a big 5kg filament spool because i only print ASA so the single nozzle bondtech would be for me.
Would you say that it has any sense to upgrade for normal materials with the raise extruder being so good from the factory ? im mainly looking forward on the weigh saving and faster printing because you can get rid off the big aluminum block.
That coffee coozie idea is pretty *hot,* though I would insert the cup narrow side in, so the wider base provides a wider stance.
At 6:40 THANK YOU! for getting rid of that background noise.
Great job 👍
Hey Joel what cad software do you use and is it free? Thanks
I like the transition
Sorry for the probably stupid question, yet would there be any reason it would not work in a TEVO Little Monster?
Love those holes in the wall right behind Joel's head! Also the unpainted wall at the top of the shot adds tons of production value!
Sure does! Hahahahahha
Like I said on Instagram, I too am going to miss the acrylic cover. Jams are so much easier to fix on the original than the bondtech extruder. You have to remove the whole extruder sometimes to get a jam fixed on the bondtech.
I had a print ruin my second nozzle and have not replaced it yet. I will probably replace it when I order the filament runout sensor. Keep Printing!
@3D Printing Nerd: you say in the video regarding the Raise printer that "having the two nozzles side by side is probably the worst way to do dual extrusion."
I received a Tronxy X5S-2E recently and it actually combines the two filaments into one inside the hotend itself. The result of this is you need to use really small retract settings (like 1 or 2mm) otherwise the molten filament follows the retracting filament back up the PTFE tube and goes solid inside the PTFE tube - leading to a cold pull and shortening the PTFE tube by cutting off the clogged section.
Surely that's worse? What do you think the best way to do dual extrusion is?
A few light passes with a hair dryer does wonders to loosen hot glue! Just had to work on a printer that had all the cables glued to the mainboard.
So does IPA 99%.
+1 for isopropyl alcohol, it will just release freely from most materials.
recently put a bondtech on my printer will this work with boden? with tpu?
Dual looks awesome. Have you had a chance to print vertical walls yet? Curious to see if there’s any extrusion inconsistency issues (like that MK3 #602) that some have pointed to these extruders.
I still have some vertical wall testing to do with the machine, but that's on the list!
keep up the great videos been haveing a blast with my prusa mk3
That's great to hear! What's your favorite print so far?
3D Printing Nerd got to be the huge f1 rc car is my favorite
What program do you use to edit your videos?
This upgrade is the must have when you have an Raise3d.
Why Raise3d install this in standard In N2/2+ pro?
Can you try printing some bmx grips out of that flexible material?
Cool video!
Love watching your videos but I gotta say I really like the T-shirt from the intro.
I've really been thinking about getting this, but honestly it works so damn good as is I don't really feel the upgrade will really be worth it. If the current drives ever start giving me any troubles I'll do it in an instant but gonna hold off for now.
glad to see a new option for printing with flexible parts. They're such a pain normally
Agreed. I love how Bondtech grips from both sides, and that really helps with flexibles.
Hey hey, great video, this thing looks awesome and expensive lol. It's also the second video that seems to reference a side 'a' collaboration video, I was wondering if you were posting them somewhere else?
side 'a'? I don't know what you mean by that.
3D Printing Nerd I guess I'm mostly assuming that there is a whole other video. Like this one for example had bits of footage of the extruder replacement and I suppose that I was thinking that they were clips of a full replacement video or stream, though there is no real evidence of one. Thinking back clips are what videos are made of, sorry for the confusion.
What about leveling both heads?
Great video as always! The non-capitalized I drives me nuts though.(In the title)
iNstalling
better?
I found this video very impressive, especially because of how easy it was to get everything installed. I've got an older FlashForge Creator Pro (~2016 model) which I'd really like to do some upgrades to, but I'm quite concerned that the lack of open source firmware is going to be a major limiting factor. I remember back in the day you had some videos with that same model - any advice for how I might resurrect it into a more useful printer, like you did with your N2?
Daniel Smullen doesn't the ffcp use Sailfish like the Replicator (because it is a clone of either the Replicator 1, 2, or 2x, can't remember which)? Sailfish is open source and, while it's not under as active development as Marlin, it is typically beyond the version that comes with such printers.
rpavlik1 it is Sailfish, but there's no clear way to know what pins are used for what, what the current and voltage specs are... If you have any clues about this they would be helpful.
I'm pretty sure there is a config in the Sailfish repo - either a config header or something like platform.py IIRC. I don't have a FF printer, so I don't know more, sorry - I've just done some work on Sailfish primarily to improve my rep2x
Hey I know that guy in your video. He keeps coming over and won't leave. Guess he moved on to coming over to your place lol.
Thanks for sharing :-)
Noob here, whats the issue with the nozzles being next to each other? And how else could they do it?
Maybe this is a video I should do, I've had quite a few people ask about this. Other ways to do dual nozzle are when they are independent, or, when side by side one lifts out of the way.
when will you publish the results of your MatterHackers contest for the spool holder ....... please soon i have a design there :D
What was that interesting filament box?? :-)
That filament box though.. I'd love to have that for mine with it being able to be expanded.
Dude, it's good stuff. Seriously, well thought out as well.
Joel, from my experience of the upgrade it was the best thing I have ever done to my Raise3D N2+. I have lost countless large prints due to filament “Stripping” out. Over 1000hrs now no problems of that. I have had the stepper motors get hot when using the lid on the machine. The heat transfers through and melts the filament at the drives. I had to completely pull it apart (includes removing from the Raise) to clean it up. I now use the cover at the beginning and lift it to ensure the steppers don’t get hot.
Also the lower CG helps with the Waves/Ghosting with change of direction.
In the end though, not happy with my Raise3D experience. Both the X & Y end stops fell apart. Three Control units (first one Dead on Arrival), and a motion controller board failure which my dealer replaced since Raise wipes their hands of the issues. Maybe I need to start my own TH-cam channel to get the same level of support you have experienced from Raise3D.
Ouch! That's no good. Shoot, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with your N2+. The Bondtech upgrade came from Bondtech, not Raise. Who are you contacting there? Are they answering any of your emails?
Joel, I have been told that even though issues that were "Raised" under the warranty period and still haven't been fixed, it is no longer under warranty and that say it is outside warranty and there is nothing they can do. That email came from the VP in Europe Michael Huang. I need a 3rd printer now, I know it won't be a Raise...
I am a Support Person myself and I know that the product is just part of the story, it is the level of support, service and expert advice that you provide that keep your customers coming back. There is no point to winning new customers if you can't maintain the ones you have. Even though my experience with Raise hasn't been great, I still buy my supplies through the same person that sold me the machine. He is just as frustrated with the issues as I am and he has even supplied me parts at his cost that Raise wouldn't fix. That's Service & Support. Good luck with your machine.
Neat!
I thought so as well!
That thing is more expensive than one of my Ultimaker 2 or one of my ultimaker 3. Looks great! I order 1.
haven't had a nozzle in my left extruder in my raise since the second week of owning it
Nice Fluke. :-)
Great joel!
Thank you!
3D Printing Nerd always great to see that youtubers reply, means that you love this job. By the way you inspired me to step in the world of 3d printing. Hope you are fine, Danny from Italy.
The first layer of the vase looks like some sort of coral
Do you just have a amazing taste for shirts or do you wear them for videos?
Hahhaha I've been wearing awesome / nerdy shirts for DECADES.
The Raise3D N2+ Dual has been my dream printer, but I know you haven't been impressed with it. I'm hoping the BondTech upgrade increases the happiness of this printer. I still want one, but I'm waiting until certain concerns are addressed.
I am more excited to see the Fluke 289 . . . I have one and it is so amazing, it is overkill for everything I need it to do, but I love it.
Small note, in your comments you call it a 280, not 289 #ROFLcopters
Joel,
I'm curious about your reasoning behind the statement that dual nozzles side by side is the worst way of doing dual extrusion.
Ken Gregory the are difficule to set up the height.
Ah, I guess I should explain. In order for dual extrusion to work properly with side-by-side nozzles, the printer has to know exactly how far off in X and Y the right nozzle is from the left nozzle. If it's off, then the plastic from the right nozzle doesn't line up with the plastic from the left nozzle. Ultimaker 3 has side by side, but it also has a very decent calibration process that makes it easy for the user. The Raise - not so much.
Isn't that preferable than ending up with a purge block that can outweigh your printed model? Just sayin....
Dual extruders like this still require a purge tower and / or a wipe wall though.
Can u please do a video on the raise 3d pro2 printer? @3dprintingnerd
Oooh, I would love to!
Joel! Great video. I feel like lately you have been struggling for content and putting out videos that you are not actually passionate about. This video seemed to have purpose and I enjoyed it...though I will not be buying this extruder any time soon as I am still figuring out my CR-10 (first printer).
Teflon tape helps keep filament from ozing out of the threads
Stepper motors are current operated, the voltage you are adjusting is a current sensing voltage, not the motor voltage. The controller adjusts motor voltage to achieve the desired current, the voltage needed varies with time and speed and the controller uses pulse width modulation to achieve the desired motor winding current.
Joel I need that shirt please tell us where you got it!
Google "rockem sockem robots shirt" and you should see a few places offering it!
I like that, but i like more the idea for flexible and non-flexible filament, that give me an idea to print a copler and try if that realy work, but i can,t, because i don't have dual extruder, so you can try that.
Hi Joel,
If you want to remove the hot glue, use rubbing alcohol and it breaks easily.
I've been using this thing for a long time on printed circuit boards.
Oh... OH! That's great advice!
That throw at 1:57
Wait, whaaaaat... how did that monitor work without any cables attached? Wireless power?! 😳😉
I know that your joking but...
Wireless power is already a reality (just over "very" short distances). Most people know it as NFC charging on cell phones. Its basically a transformer split into 2 separate parts, 1 part in the charger and the other in your phone.
www.extremetech.com/electronics/137729-how-wireless-charging-works
MAGIC.GIF
(AKA post editing)
If you wanted it to be more genuine, a beefy battery running an instance of Kodi on an RPi and a right-angled HDMI cable to better manage that would be possible for a few hours; enough time to set up, play your footage via your phone with some _magic hand gestures_ and you wouldn't have to edit in post something that isn't entirely square.
No, it was just a giant tablet on a stand :-)
I love your shirt
It loves you!
I still don't understand what it improves but still interested enough to do some research
Being able to grip the filament from both sides as it pushes it through to the nozzle means a more reliable extrusion. Just think, thousands of retractions later, the filament could have slipped a bit. This ensures it doesn't.
3D Printing Nerd okay so another long term investment im down for that. Understood, I'll see if it works for my printer when it arrives.
have the bondtech extruders on my Raise N2+, and love them!
YESS!
i love my printer i am going to get the uiltmaler s5
1:58 weeeeeee!!!
You're actually adjusting the current going to the stepper motors, not the voltage. Your read a voltage off of the potentiometer, but the potentiometer controls amperage.
Ah okay, that makes sense!
What is wrong with your fan duct prints at 10:58?
What do you mean? Both work well!
The left one looks like it was printed the wrong direction and the layers don't look right. Also they don't look like they would work well compared to something like this www.thingiverse.com/thing:2792586
Alot of designs out there haven't been flow tested so they may look like they are good but they aren't. You have to use simulation software to really get an idea of what's going on with a design.
Oh! I see. The one on the left came with the machine. The one on the right broke initially, so it was reprinted with yellow filament. Thank you for the link to the better fan shrouds!
If you had that fan duct SLA printed it would look pretty snazzy.
dude you should 3d print a functional Rock em sock em robot.
Giant pineapple puzzle incoming?
a useful tip for removing hot glue: put a drop of denatured alcohol on it and it with break the bond without harming anything else and the hot glue will fall right off. Just be careful not to get it everywhere as it will strip some paints
I'm to cheap to buy one but the printable one on thingiverse works great:D
That's FANTASTIC!
Where is the video with you and Pooch?
It was an hour long and rather than make you suffer through that, I put this together. If you REALLY want the hour, maybe I'll get that online :)
Joel, I watch Walter's (Kuntry 3D) 2 hour streams, and other multiple hour long vids. Pooch is a great person, like yourself, and I am watching his assembly of the production version of his RepBox which is over 2 hours.
Yes, I REALLY want to see it!!!
Was the video and audio out of sync or is it my end?
Nope... my end... just replayed the video... all good. Why? IDK.
I'm still afraid of opening up the control box
Use a little 90-99% isopropyl alcohol to release hot glue. On most materials it will just come off freely with little effort.
Ive never been here so early...
Glad to have you so early! :)
OK that ain't cheap $200 for the extruder!! I made my 3D printer for around $200 😂😂 ,Great video none the less👍
It's a dual extruder and the extruder is made in Sweden. It's very well-made, professionally designed and built to be a drop-in upgrade for a specific printer.
IndyHelis do....you...use...enough...elipses...
Actually building your own printer would be a fun topic for this channel
I just bought 2 for $50 a piece. They are coming in the mail this week.
You get what you pay for.
hmm, sounds liek the CEL extruder to me
You should 3D print a kendama.
#Highfive joel Great video
Thanks as always, my dude
Why don't you 3d print a frame for your 100K TH-cam award
It came with a frame!
Hi
Carried on 🤣
Please Joel more technical vids.
Try 3d print an old 60s game called dr nim!
ShadowNetwork UK oooh hell no i hate that game. U cant win
Game Time That's the point
all this pin swapping, why not supply a very short extension that swaps wires around.
That's not a bad idea
I know it's a long shot but can we get a good video or modification video on anycubic kossel delta? It's a bit dated compared to what's available, but seeing how it's been one of the cheapest and easier obtainable printers, I'm sure some of us would love to see it set up step by step and what you would do as far as modifactions.
3rd mate
rad!
Your phone looks like the s10 plus
When is the next f1 car video comming?
#emptycoffeecup
Hy 5;)
But it's like $200 freaking dollars for 2 motors, some gears and acrylic....its a good upgrade but..its not for me.
I am sorry Joel. I am a big fan of your videos, but I feel like you really Pooch'ed this video.
Ha!
I've kind of felt that way about all his videos since he quit his job and started doing youtube full time. Something is off about them.
therealdeadpen so, James said "Pooch'ed" because my buddy in the video goes by the nickname Pooch.
oh, I took it as "screwed the pooch" LOL well my comment still stands as such.
Thanks for the clarification though 3D.
Why not just remove the second filament out of extruded 2 if your only printing from one.
yeah my dad blew up a stepper driver by shorting it out
OH no, did he let out the blue smoke?
Smoked a little bit but made a pop sound
pop goes the stepper driver
Where is the rc car mon
YO! Waiting for one more part to be CAD'd, then I need to get the plastic sheet for the bottom. Robert just got the battery welder. Then we need to acquire metal nuts and bolts. Closer!
Typical @repkord not reading the instructions. LOL
Cyber Dustin but there were soooo many wordss!!!
Repkord I know I know, words are your weak point. You still get an A for effort though.