Overcoming Trauma: Moxxie Analysis
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This episode made me understand why Moxxie had reservations about murdering a family and or why he would've been okay with killing a mob family and it makes me think that his dad might be the reason why Moxxie became an assassin to begin with, Not to become his dad but so Moxxie can kill those that are like his dad.
My thoughts exactly. The first episode on season 1 was a foreshadowing of this episode. It made me understand Moxie and love him more.
It also explains why he's so lovey towards Millie, cause his dad was a POS to his sweet mom
Well that would make sense if being a assassin didn’t require you to kill a family anyways
I can relate to how much Moxie has a twisted side & a good side. Despite being a demon, He has a good heart thanks to His Mom. Yes, He's a killer but He tries to help Others save Themselves. I think that His relationship with Millie is truly heart touching !
I originally thought it was cause he’s a good guy with morals.
Which he is, but still.
“I had dream about my parents being murdered.”
“I had a bad experience with amusement parks.”
“I have no problem killing a family, a mob one especially.”
Yeah but the comment about his dream, given the way he said it, makes no sense now that we know the full story. If it were just the mother I’d get it, but now that we know what an asshole his father is … this just perplexes me now 😕😕😕
@@LadyLeomon considering he added “id like to go back to that now.” i assumed it was more about his father since id understand wanting to go back to a dream like that lol
Plot twist: The dream was him killing his father
@@LadyLeomon
He had to covered his past by just saying the first thing he thought the ''my parents being murdered'' perhaps was a cover up of ''I have father issues, he is horrible, I had a dream about him being murered in the most brutal way possible in front of me, it was horrible despite me hating and fearing him, But now I think I want to go back to this dream''
@@LadyLeomon considering that was from the pilot, i think there might have been some rewrites. could be moxxie originally had two shitty parents, but then it changed to just his father
it also brings a whole new light to the part where Blitzø and Moxxie are tied up and having a heart-to-heart. And then Blitzø tells Moxxie to stop calling him "sir" and use his name.
Especially when he's so used to using 'sir' as a form of addressing someone that's above him. Blitz is his boss, so before it made sense? Now? Boy this hurts.
Blitz is basically his dad
@@gamerstheater1187 He's not That much older. Chaotic pan uncle or an older cousin maybe.
@@gamerstheater1187 always loved a quote from Yondu “he may be your father boy, but he aint your daddy”
@@bombvoyage5686 Don't remind me 😢
I think he also resented Moxxie because his mother was affectionate with him, but would often reject Crim. Also, it's interesting to note that in the flashbacks they frequently ate steak dinners, but in the present, they ate fish from one of the sharks that owed Crim money. The family is definitely on hard times
I noticed they went to fish, but I didn't think that was the source.
It also calls to mind the second hand stories of my paternal grandfather's insistence on red meat.
At first I thought they were eating salmon but look closely at the scene where Millie kills all the sharks at the wedding. The pieces of shark meat flying around look EXACTLY like the fish fillets from the dinner scene
@@BulbasaurLeaves I assumed it was because they were fishies, but if he's been eating walking talking sharks....
Mmm, shark! Tasty!
@@bthsr7113 There are also regular animals in Helluva Boss. I guess they never know for 100% if they eat animals or people
I think Moxxie’s mom would’ve approved of & loved Millie to bits. A loyal, violently protective wife, & a sturdy, country girl from Wrath to boot.
(I also like how they have similar horn shapes.)
I think she would have approved on the entire IMB, because even Loona is 100% better than anyone around Crim.
@@valentinkambushev4968 true cuz, lets face it, I'd also rather be stuck with a sassy, rude hellhound who's stuck in teenager mode than with a control freak mafia boss who cares only for himself
One of the few things Moxxie has in common with his father. They both have a thing for Wrath women
Yeah Loona's a angry out of control Hellhound with her issues, but She's still much more Tolerable compared to the control freak Mob boss Crimson.
“You miscalculated. I love Millie more than I fear you!”
(You can figure out the rest from there…)
The Last Air Bender
Shera 2018
"NO YOURE WRONG YOU SHOULD'VE FEARED ME MORE"
Unfortunately for this recreation Crim had the drop on Moxxie
@@lunerblade13 yeah, but, he got out of it. Thanks to his wonderful Wife.
I remember when I first saw this episode, I was a little disappointed that Moxxie didn’t break himself out and show what a badass he is. But you’re right, Moxxie doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone, because he already had his badass moment when he openly defied his father. Millie willing to kill the entire mob was just proof at how far Moxxie had come to have the love and support of those closest to him.
I agree. Plus Moxxies dad is still alive and I think Moxxie will have another time he has to face him but Moxxie is starting to grow and overcome his trama and defy his father and Millie just showed how she will support him no matter what
@@sampepper7682 Yeah as for Moxxie, in order for him to really put his past behind him and for Crimson to leave Moxxie alone for good is for Moxxie to beat Crimson in a fight. In the future episode, Moxxie will have to face Crimson in a shoot out. During the fight, Crimson will see how good Moxxie is and not wanting to lose to his son. Crimson starts to fear Moxxie. Crimson shows his true colors when he's in a fight. He will cheat and taunt him for being weak and also mention how Crimson enjoy killing his mother. This will throw Moxxie off for a bit until he gets help from Mille, IMP and/or he remembers what his mother taught him. If his mother shows up in flashback and gives him the encouragement and a lesson that Moxxie holds dear, Moxxie can overcome it and finally beat his dad. Moxxie defies his father and disowns his father. Crimson lost control for good. If Moxxie kills him or not, Crimson loses. By defeating his father, he will finally put his past behind him.
I think the upcoming episodes of Moxxie and Millie fighting Striker and other missions he and IMP are going to toughen Moxxie up and get better.
Don't know if I agree with that. It's not about proving anything to Moxxie, it's about knowing his father, knowing that the minute he defended himself, he should've known his father would do something to keep him in line. Getting sneak attack also undermines his "you'll see how skilled I am" line. Should've shot the shark in the face to prove his point and leave. I'd exchange Millie's badass moment for Moxxie just walking away, sometimes less is more.
@@AH-is5yg I agree
@@helsmify I think it is important that Moxxie finally is able to stand up against his father. I think its just an affirmation of Millies support for him wich is often important because when you're stuck in situations like that its hard to belive that people will have your back and that people love you.
The fact that moxi got arrested and met blitzo saved his sanity. Imagine how much worst it would have gone if he got out of jail and went back to his disgusting father!
I'm willing to bet that Moxxie's Mom had intended to not only leave Crimson, but she was also going to take Moxxie with her, and if so, then that would have been the final straw that pushed Crimson into killing her
Poor Moxie and you know I really admire he’s that well adjusted cause if that was me I wouldn’t be as mentally stable as he is.
I believe that he still struggles a bit with that trauma but tries really hard not to let it get in the way of his relationships, he tries to be good like his mother
I think it's because of his wife. She's the north star in his life. She helps him stay q good man (imp).
The pilot, the Murder Family, & Loo Loo land episodes hit differently.
Moxxie had been dropping hints about his past & we didn’t realize
So early this season we learned that both Blitzo and Stolas had a REALLY messed up childhood. And in this episode we learned that Moxie's background is somehow EVEN MORE messed up.
Why do I get the feeling when we inevitably get Loona's backstory, she's going to have them ALL beat in the fucked-up childhood department?
Indeed... we know she grew up in an orphanage/prison where she's used to being physically abused. I only pray that the "syphilis" joke from the pilot isn't relevant anymore, because if it is.... I sense some very dark things happening in that orphanage...
@@Oxurus Honestly, my money is on the orphanage actually being the LEAST fucked up part of Loona's childhood. Like how do you think she BECAME an orphan in the first place...
(Personally my money is on fucked-up cult shit)
@SY Ena I think most of the stuff from the pilot aren't canon.
@@valentinkambushev4968 True... though that "Sorry, I fucked your husband" was from the pilot, and that came back in a big way!
@@valentinkambushev4968 what about the part where blitzo falls out of the window in stolas’s mansion
It's amazing how Moxie isn't completely evil like his father😨😨😨
It's a miracle!🎉
He’s the only character that doesn’t attack and kill innocent people.
He's a Mama's boy 😌💕
He would've been if Chaz never betrayed him
MGL in the lore and world of Helluva..he's teh closest thing to a cinnamon Roll cahracter
I think you might've missed something in particular; how moxxie mentions that theme parks disturb him. Seeing how he's a good shot in a theme park like setting IN GREED it makes sense why he'd never want to go to any theme park ever again. It was the last place he saw his mother alive, affectionate, & happy.
OH. That could track.
Crimson is a perfectly realistic character, as an abuser, he doesn't see himself as the bad guy instead he seems to have some love for Moxxie, but it's what he thinks is tough love. You'd expect nothing less from a man that grew up in a crime-ridden city
I think he knows how bad he is, he just doesn't care.
@@valentinkambushev4968 you can tell by his language like how he says “this family needs this money” and how he is hard on his son and complains about his wife babying him he clearly thinks he’s justified maybe not that he’s good but at least he thinks it’s just
@Gamer's Theater he probably knows that the things he does are awful, but in the end of the day it's nothing personal, it's just busyness.
@@valentinkambushev4968 exactly
The table scene with Chaz had me thinking something similar. Moxie may be a disappointment in his eyes but he’s still family and *his* son and therefore above a bottom feeder like Chaz. That or it’s narcissism and sees Moxie as an extension of himself
Millie is the only one of the IMP that doesn't have emotional baggage
That we know of *cough* vivgiveusadamnmillieepisode *cough*
She's also the only main character who doesn't have daddy issues.
Does anger issues count as emotional issues?
@@dinodude6992 …..maybe
IF WE GOT A MILLIE EPISODE
@@dinodude6992 Anger is an emotion.
But yes, all of Loona's explicit issues go back to Blitzo.
This may seem out of the blue but I just realized that both Moxxie and Stolas had controlling and domineering fathers who tried to shape their futures AND force them into an arranged marriage. They also found some semblance of happiness when they met Blitzø. The only difference is that while Paimon was successful in shaping his son's future, Crim was not.
(EDIT: Had to fix a MAJOR grammar mistake.)
Don't forget Buckso being a domineering dad to Blitzo.
But I've never seen Cash pressure Blitzø into a marriage. Though, pressuring him into stealing precious valuables behind the backs of members of the Ars Goetia is just as bad, if not worse.
@@o0OJOLONO0o Cash still pressured Blitzo into doing something that could have gotten him killed (even using his mother as emotional leverage to do it). Also consider in the Pilot that Blitzo said his dad crushed all his dreams to make Moxxie feel bad for "trying to crush my musical theatre dreams" th-cam.com/video/OlahNrlcgS4/w-d-xo.html
So it's clear from the start Vivzi was going to give Blitzo daddy issues. Plus you can see Fizzeroli was the favourite son compared to Blitzo, Cash favoured him and was going to bargain alot for him - but Blitzo he sold for pretty much nothing.
I do want to say this Cash and Paimon are in the circus and are royalty respectively. Crimson is in the mafia. I know Moxxie’s mom from a regular perspective is an amazing mother, but he was born in a crime family. He never had a real choice in his life, and being what he is now would have gotten him killed, or manipulated (whic would also eventually get him killed) if his character stayed in the family, unless he ran away (which by all accounts is the big go ahead for crimson to kill moxxie but he didn’t) And I’m willing to bet he already knew where moxxie was and let him be until Chaz’s offer.
Just imagine Moxxie with his dad’s confidence, not his evilness, just his confidence… no sir, it’s not only the suit.
Moxxie is the living embodiment of not letting your tragic backstory be the end-all be all of your character.
Isn't that Batman?
@@FEdelasJONSEnjoyerbro batman is litteraly that.
@@shawerful5209 What I said
As a person who is currently going through a lot trauma I can relate to Moxxie
Me too, it makes me kin him even more than I already do
I relate to him to. If he were real I would see him like a father figure.
Through* 💀
Trauma* 💀
through**
Honestly? The funniest thing about this newest episode (apart from the fact Blitzø got a babysitter for his 17 year old adopted daughter) for me … is that Crimson didn’t investigate Chas’s claims *before* trying to coerce Moxxie! We all saw his face when Blitzø exposed the truth as they were leaving, _he genuinely didn’t know_ and, for a the head of a Crime Family, I think this makes Crimson look like a total idiot 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the new video SC and go hug your furbabies all 💙🐱💙
As someone who grew up with an often-angry father, the detail of Moxxie crying in total silence really got me. That takes practice.
The toxic masculinity bit reminded me of the comparison of Tarzan and Clayton. One has to shout, be loud, use a gun like it was what defined him. That's crimson, making sure to shout and subjugate. Moxxie is like Tarzan, he learned how to be a man without needing the same tired bs. He became the man he wanted to be, not what others expect.
moxxie's backstory was so just. WOW. Honestly shocking how moxxie can just grow up to be a badass even from all the shit he went rhough
Still theorizing that Millie was the babysitter. After all, she moved into the city to go freelance, and as far as we know, she didn't have a super stable career until she started working for Blitz. Maybe she was doing side stuff to try and stay on her feet. Plus Blitz says, "the babysitter will *kill* me if I don't get back soon" or something to that effect.
It's a stretch I'm sure, but damn it's fun to think about lol
I think that would make a lot of sense!
_“I had a dream about my parents being murdered.”_
His father murdering his mother & then Moxie murdering his father, for murdering his mother.
His father being unable to hurt anyone; Moxie loves or who is otherwise innocent, ever again.
A _‘dream’_ come true!
I don't know if we ever got a name for Moxxie's mother, but I personally headcanon that her name is Clover. Not only do you have the allusion to the song of the same name, but you have the same alliteration pattern as with Moxxie and Millie.
There are two types of bad guys that I always love watching: they're the bad guys who are sympathetic and you can understand their struggles and what made them into the people that they are, and then there are people like Crimson who are just so evil and so awful but so funny that you can't help but enjoy how wicked, cool, and horrible type of person that they are. I think it's the fact that he's such a blatant awful person is what makes him both hated father, but also the most enjoyable. Because he is charming and he is undeniably awful. And I love characters like that.
The later type is why I love Jack Horner so much
So do I, Crimson fucking made the episode for me.
Moxie’s constant use of “sir” to refer to Blitzo because that’s what Crimson demanded of him growing up, an asymmetrical relationship where the more powerful person can be informal but the less powerful must be polite.
In the words of Mai to Azula:
“You miscalculated. I love Zuko (Millie) more than I fear you.”
I was thinking about that quote :0
Y'know, if Moxxie's mother was from Wrath, that would explain why she was able to openly go against some of his decisions/actions. Because, from what we've seen so far of the Wrath, the imps of that ring are basically taught to hold their own or fight back as much as possible against those they deem as a threat. Therefore, Moxxie's mom's actions (especially at the shooting range) explain her open defiance despite potentially knowing the consequences that would follow. Maybe not defiant in combat, but still so in other ways.
Hopefully Moxxie gets his moment to properly fight his father (cause that SOB is gonna come back with a vengeance)
Also people need to stop saying Moxxie’s mom is alive. This isn’t a kids show and they had this plot point to emphasize Crimm’s ruthlessness
THANK YOU! I am sick of people saying "She is alive!" No, she is dead, gone, passed away, hopefully to a better place, sleeps with the fish, kicked the bucket, hugged to the bouquet! This is a deceased woman!
One thing people somewhat overlooked that I'm surprised no one noticed:
Moxie has admitted he is pegged by millie sometimes...meaning millie loves him for who moxie is. Moxie clearly does like the male/male relationships, and he's clearly submissive.
Meaning millies pegging isn't just a funny joke, she is actively letting Moxie feel COMFORTABLE with who he is
Pegging isn't related to male/male thing, he likes receiving anal. Straight people can also like it. I don't try to be rude, i just think saying he likes pegging because he is into male x male is kinda wrong.
May i ask what “pegging” is?
@@NoorNotKnowingyou innocent soul 😔
@@froug9786 can u pls tell me? :(
Let's be honest, the only reason anyone would be attracted to Crimson is because of that mob boss gangster energy he's sporting. Everything that Moxxie could've been if he didn't have such a wonderful mother.
This and the first episode really establish Moxxie and Stolas as my favourite characters. Because both of them grew up with abusive asshole fathers, but they both chose to stop that cycle and be softer and kinder people than their parent. They rose above their upbringing and that's so admirable of them.
I feel like Moxxie is an amazing example of where you came from does not determine who you are and being from a bad background is not an excuse to be a terrible person.
I think Moxxie meeting blitz was definitely the best thing that could've happened to him at the time. If Chaz hadn't left him there. Moxxie probably wouldn't have gotten a chance to get away from Crimson and meet people that genuinely do care about him.
My theory is that crimson is not just moxxies dad but strikers too. I think he might've slept with a loan shark and threw her away in wrath where he picked up moxxies mom after she got preg cause he didn't want a hybrid dragging his name down. If you put striker, moxxie, and crimson all next to each other you cant say there no resemblance especially in the horns and Fizzipop DID say that Striker is half imp.
I heard that Viziepop mentioned that Moxxie's mom is from Wrath... So maybe she's from a decent farm family life with a really good talent in singing and musicals. Her parents supported her and hoped that she would make it big in the Upper Rings. While part-timing and doing some gigs in small time theaters, Moxxie's Mom somehow met her future husband... And would end up and what could be an unhappy marriage. But not before giving birth to the most wonderful imp that you wanna protect!
I still feel Moxxie needs to beat someone up. So far whenever he stands up for himself, he gets under cut. Last two times was a gag (which I find severely undermines his growth). I do appreciate this episode didn't have him taken out with a gag. They've had him talk the talk, but not walk the walk. And I hope that he gets to walk the walk next time.
When thinking of who, hes probably gonna tag team Striker with Millie
@@BobBob-tr7wiyou called it lmao
This makes me think of Steve Rogers backstory about his abusive father and how his mother would even when beaten stand up to him because she wanted her son to know no matter what never to submit to those who abuse you
Moxie is definitely vivs favorite. You don't torture a character like that if they're not your favorite
Love your content and helluva boss videos. Moxxie been through a lot.
My theory is that the creators didn't come up with this backstory until later. There are enough odd lines from earlier episodes - like joking about the mafia, dreaming about his parents being killed - that just don't jibe with this exact story. It's amazing and I see how it fits in broad strokes, but it also feels like a bit of a retcon.
Also, the portrayal of trauma and defiance of an abuser is just so good. I love Moxxie and his wholehearted love of Millie, musicals, and being himself even more now.
I agree.
It seems the only tragic backstory the writers can write involves Daddy Issues in some way.
Alot of shows do this
I don't see how 'i was dreaming about murdering my shitty dad and his shitty mob family and I want to continue' or how 'i don't want to kill a family maybe a shitty dad like mine or a mob family like the one he runs' and then showing why he has those desires, or hesitations.
Is "reconning" in anyway.
When it only furthers what's already been staged.
And when Blitz childhood connection to Stolas was planned from before even the show, you think that some8the show already presented being further explored, is "reconning"?
In what way?
I don't see how 'i was dreaming about murdering my shitty dad and his shitty mob family and I want to continue' or how 'i don't want to kill a family maybe a shitty dad like mine or a mob family like the one he runs' and then showing why he has those desires, or hesitations.
Is "reconning" in anyway.
When it only furthers what's already been staged.
And when Blitz childhood connection to Stolas was planned from before even the show, you think that some8the show already presented being further explored, is "reconning"?
In what way?
I don't see how 'i was dreaming about murdering my shitty dad and his shitty mob family and I want to continue' or how 'i don't want to kill a family maybe a shitty dad like mine or a mob family like the one he runs' and then showing why he has those desires, or hesitations.
Is "reconning" in anyway.
When it only furthers what's already been staged.
And when Blitz childhood connection to Stolas was planned from before even the show, you think that some8the show already presented being further explored, is "reconning"?
In what way?
Edit: also, this isn't a theory, not even a hypothesis. It's an accusation.
One that I kind of question if you actually know the meaning of. Since, you clearly don't know what a theory is.
Ok don’t get me wrong, I hate what Crimson did to Moxxie and his mom (and maybe Chaz😢), but he is such an interesting character. He’s the only dad so far in IMP we actually got to know and get backstory on and we also know he is most likely coming back for revenge which would make for an interesting plot. I also just love his facial expressions throughout this episode, especially the face he makes when he finds out Chaz isn’t rich.
Crimson Is a great villain, And actually i find him a little More instersting than Striker
I think Moxxie is just an example on how some people are born good (yes, he's killed people but I mean, given the setting that's normalized) He actually cares for others and wants to be a better man not just for those around him but for himself too. And I love that character development, because he could've been evil just like his dad
Speaking of which, if Crim didn't approved of Mox then why didn't he just get married again and had another kid? Given how heartless he is I wouldn't put it past him to replace his wife and his son...
Having another child would be an admission that Crimson failed raising Moxxie to be his spitting image and his pride wouldn't allow for that. Plus what happened with Moxxie's mom probably put him off the idea of re-marrying. Not out of guilt or lingering feelings, but because Crimson wouldn't want to deal with another woman potentially being as obstructive as Moxxie's mom was.
crimson do be having some hip game, weirdly thicc
6:27 makes its funny how sharks have a thing for/against Moxxie in season 1 to find out he had a relationship with one in season 2.
It’s not the suit. It’s his legs. Crimson got those legs.
“They would have to be stupid to-“
Chaz has entered the chat
Considering the circumstances, there may be a chance moxxie may have been born in wrath but his family would later move to greed in his early childhood because of fit Crimson's ambitions so well. It may also explain why there are so few imps in the greed ring.
I loved this episode. My only problem was the tease of Crimson being a future threat. Like I'm not against him returning, but he doesn't really feel like a threat anymore. Mostly because Millie made short work of the entire mob. If they bring him back as an antagonist they can't have him be a physical threat unless they just contrive Millie out of the episode like in The Harvest Moon Festival episode.
“Like a shitty dad..or a mob family. That’s understandable.”
“I was dreaming my parents were being murdered. But now? I’d like to go back to that.”
THE SIGNS.
So Crim wanted moxxie to know that he is the dominant one that he killed his wife so he can get close to that, Jesus.
"Married a strong willed southern gal just like his mama." Holy Oedipus Complex, Batman! THAT is an entire video in itself.
If It was an actual Oedipus Complex, He would be married to his mother, and have no idea it was his mother. People are attracted to men/women who remind them of their parents, not so much in physical appearance as in personality, because our relationships with our parents are one of three invironmetal influences that guide someone through their romantic/sexual/platonic relationships later on.
An Oedipus Complex would be him having the hots for his mom as a child, not being attracted to someone with similar traits in his adult life.
“Oedipus complex, in psychoanalytic theory, a desire for sexual involvement with the parent of the opposite sex and a concomitant sense of rivalry with the parent of the same sex[…]” (Britannica, last updated April 19th, 2023).
What is being described can be better attributed to one of two theories.
1. A person who lost a beloved parent seeking out someone who reminds them of said parent as a way to ‘have their parent back’
2. A person finding the qualities of their parent attractive in other people because the parent is familiar, and people are attracted to things that are familiar.
Or Moxxie just finds Millie, a strong-headed woman, attractive because she compliments his shyer and less violent demeanor.
I honestly just love how Moxxie isn't bitter about his past and experiences! He just chooses to let it go and not get petty revenge or something (I mean I probably wouldn't dare cross Crimsonn o matter how mad I was at him either considering what he's capable...) But I just love how Humble and Sweet he is instead of Evil and Heartless he could've been! If Moxxie ever becomes a father, we know he'd be a fantastic father for sure! ❤
Honestly, Moxxie deserves the world. He is the MVP
Now that I think about it, Moxxie’s relationship with his parents is very similar to Zuko’s relationship with his. Just some food for thought.
Thankfully, Moxxie didn't have an "Azula".
@@valentinkambushev4968 tell me about it
@@valentinkambushev4968 Or he did. Step mother must have been cruel since he wished his parents were dead
i love mox so much, so happy we finally got moxxie angst and i can't wait for more >:)
my favorite line in this entire episode was Blitzø saying. "No way somebody that bad at sex could bang those two hotties. what's he hiding?"
in that one line I picked up 3 things. 1. he knew something was fishy so he decided to bang Chaz in order to figure out what was going on.
2. His concern was legitimately focused on M & M.
3. HE ADMITTED THAT HE THINKS MOXXIE IS HOT lmao idk why but having that confirmation given the way he treats moxxie is hilarious. he reeeeaally wants to be in the middle of the M&M's relationship
I love how how this show turned from an adult comedy set in hell into such a deep story with amazing characters. This is adult animation done right, take notes Velma lol.
Not gonna lie, I am hoping that at some point we get Crimson relaxing somewhere he *thinks* is safe, accompanied by his goons. Crimson picks up, thinking it's his goons reporting they've killed Moxxie and his friends/family only for it to be Moxxie.
Moxxie coldly reminds Crimson of his promise, his threat before taking out Crimson's bodyguards one by one. Then we zoom out to kilometer or mile out where Moxxie is perched atop some building or something, with the Carmine-Crafted Blessing-Tipped Rifle that used to belong to Striker. The last shot he we see is Crimson through the targeting scope, between the crosshairs, panicking, completely out of control of the situation, at the mercy of someone he thought of as *weak*, as a "*sissy*," before cut-to-black in time with one last crack of a gunshot.
"Its not just the suit" Its the
1)dilf factor,
2)the hips for days
And 3)the murderous mafia man aura
Only then 4) the suit
It might also be the Dark Charisma…
Crimson is a psychopath, from this episode he made it abundantly clear that he blames Moxxie for the loneliness he endures now. It's not a question of if they have a gunfight but when?
This is a perfect analysis! I agree with you 100%
Moxxie was my favorite character (besides baby stolas) before this episode, but it definitely makes me love him more. As someone who also had a somewhat rough childhood, I 100% vibe with him and how he grew into a good person despite it.
I hope we get the Millie focused story after this crazy reveal
(please read the whole thing it seems abit lacking in evidence at the start but deeper into the comment it becomes more clear) Not a big complaint with Helluva Boss, just something that makes me concerned for the future of the show is the fact that it introduces soooooooooo many enemies and antagonists to the series, in episode 2 it introduces fizzoralli and Blitz's backstory with him which does not set him up as a main villain or antagonist but does pose himself as a reccuring character that is against blitz, in episode 3 a similar thing happens with Verosica where she is set up as someone that is against blitz, then what is abit more looser is the Cherubs in episode 4, they were angry at IMP and then got kicked out of heaven and abandoned in the living world so where it goes with them is unclear but again sets up someone who is angry at the group and may reappear, then the strongest point of evidence all the other ones being weak, is the introduction of Striker who wants to kill stolas and is set to return later on in season 2 possibly episode 4 , Striker is 100% intended to be the main villain so why then in episode 6 would they introduce a second "main" villain in the form of the agents who want to actively shut down IMP and stop them, then in episode 7 they further the fizzoralli and verosica plots however I dont think Fizz and Verosica will lead to any big conflict that affects the whole group like striker and the agents do, anyway finally is Season 2 episode 3 where Moxxies father is now against IMP. So in conclusion I am abit worried about the future of the series as they are setting up so many villains that are against IMP and actively want to kill them and I think it may hurt the show if they do not have enough time to properly devolop the antagonists as they have 3 people who seem like big reccuring enemies and then 3 others that are smaller enemies but still are against IMP/Blitz. But I do think they are making a good direction by making striker return and not setting up another villian. again this is not something that ruins the show for me this is a just a small thing that makes me worried for the future of the show. Thanks to whoever read this :)
That’s a very good point! If it helps, I’m fairly confident that Fizz and Verosika aren’t necessarily “lethal enemies”.
See, I don’t know what happened b/w the actual Fizz and Blitz but it seems like a case of jealousy as both of them were in the show business and perhaps wanted to reach the absolute peak of it. While Fizz was the one made it to the top, Blitz couldn’t and ultimately felt abandoned by it.
We’re pretty aware of why Verosika hates Blitz but I doubt she or her gang would straight up murder him or I.M.P. The only reason they’d have anything against Moxxie, Millie or Loona b/c they’re connected to Blitz.
What Blitz did was awful, and it’s a bit of a tired/used excuse, their demons in Hell. Worse things have probably happened to her and in comparison, sees Blitz as that shitty ex you’ll annoy/screw over if it’s “doable” and completely ignore otherwise.
Also, given that Fizz and Verosika are huge celebrities, they have much more important matters/priorities.
P.S. I’m also 50/50 on the Cherubs situation. They’ve been in the human world for a while, lack Heaven’s support and are, presumably, smart enough to know how screwed they are. They would want to kill I.M.P. but would need the time and resources to do so, which could take quite a while.
@@joshuaharris3039 yes I do feel that the Fizz and Verosika are the weaker parts of my point as yes they are only targeting blitz and have alot to lose for killing him, I think they may return though to further emotional scenes with blitz like what happened in episode 7.
@@crabobify There is supposed to be a scene where Blitzø and Fizz talk about something serious, as seen in the Lvl Up trailer.
I think it also contextualize a lot of character detail that are important:
- Moxxie is shown to understand and care more about the financial side of IMP more than any of the others. Likely given how important money is shown to the mob family
- it’s also why while being only okay he care more about logistics and plans for killing more than the free for all Millie and Blitzø tend to have
- Moxxie’s self reserved, known anxiety, and high strung attitude clear come from having to walk on egg shells extending from an abusive family. While Blitzø trauma and abuse made him more rough around the edges, Moxxie’s made him more of a doormat and hyper aware to the aspects around him
- The childhood also likely left him wanting a lot of validation from peers and likely Blitzø from his constant mocking and belittling, I think something that the most recent camp ep started to show with how he tried to act with the students and leading his first solo planning mission.
But also it really makes feel for what moxie is going through.
Why is he hotter?
You said it yourself, its all about presentation, all he needs is a nod or a handwave and you know exactly what he wants and what he's thinking.
At 3:24 the look of Moxxie is exactly like when my very little brother had to say goodbye to our cat. It perfectly captures when a little child doesn't know what is happening, except, that it is bad.
Very. Bad.
Moxxie has every reason to be a wreck or a POS and yet somehow he's.. well, just look at him.
This episode is so relatable in so many ways
>Crimson kills innocent creatures: it's bad
>Moxie kills innocent people: it's okay
Genius!
The people Moxxie kills are women and men who are apparently blamed for causing people to go Hell(Which is just playing the victim to a certain extent, Iknow). But most of them aren’t innocent like you are claiming. Meanwhile, Crim litterally exploits and kills Other Imps(As in, his own species) Just for not paying insanely high Debts, and it looks like he has twice as many victims as Imp’s intentional targets.
5:57 (blink and you'll miss it) - This video taught me two things I didn't know: 1) Helluva Boss actually DOES have a show bible, however incomplete; and 2) Vivzie pitched it to Brandon?! I assumed that she was the boss! Who pitched to whom suggests that he has more creative control than she does. The episodes that came out of her bible - that she conceived herself - are three of the best.
Okay is nobody gonna talk about how this guy sounds almost exactly like Blitzø.
Crimson is hotter because of his facial expressions. Moxxie is adorable with puppy dog faces, Crimson menacingly smolders.
I think the only way for Moxxie to really put his past behind him and for Crimson to leave Moxxie alone for good is for Moxxie to beat Crimson in a fight. In the future episode, Moxxie will have to face Crimson in a shoot out. During the fight, Crimson will see how good Moxxie is and not wanting to lose to his son. Crimson starts to fear Moxxie. He will cheat and taunt him for being weak and also mention how Crimson enjoy killing his mother.
This will throw Moxxie off for a bit until he gets help from Mille, IMP and/or he remembers what his mother taught him. If his mother shows up in flashback and gives him the encouragement and a lesson that Moxxie holds dear, Moxxie can overcome it and finally beat his dad. Moxxie defies his father and disowns his father. Crimson lost control for good. If Moxxie kills him or not, Crimson loses.
By defeating his father, he will finally put his past behind him.
Crimson's eye markings are similar to military face markings or eye bags, which are both some kind of sex symbol. There's also his life preserver size thighs, although that could just be the pants
I'm sooooo mad though that RIGHT after his big stand up moment COMPLETE with killer animation and camerawork he just gets fcked over. It kinda feels like a slap to Moxxie's face.
"Next time just tell me your daddy's a psychopath. I can handle it." Yes we know you can Millie BUT WE WANNA SEE MOX HANDLE IT.
I know a big thing with abuse victims in media is showing them stand up to their abuser, but in reality that POS isn't owed a THING. But this is different from say Squirrelflight not speaking to Ashfur in the Dark Forest. She was given that choice to go or not. Moxxie wasn't even given THAT. It just feels so. Blegh.
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He should've shot his Dad's horn and or arm off. That way Crim can still be a villain and Moxxie gets his lick in hehe
I love how you use warrior cats as an example. I absolutely love warriors and I believe that it gave the abuse victims more choice to deal with their abuser. Again with squirrelflight going against bramble star. She could’ve not done that but chose to be herself instead of letting her abuser control her. But with moxxie, he doesn’t even get to stand up to his dad besides the one moment he gets upset with him. In all honesty I do love the millie representation but I’d rather we get a whole episode for just millie(many others think so too!) this episode was about moxxie so I feel we should’ve seen HIM talk back to his dad in the end and show him how he feels about it.
What I like about Chaz’s reaction to Moxie getting his leg caught, is that the episode never clarifies if he was distraught because his lover got caught, or if his ticket into the mafia got caught. It could be either, but given everything else we see from him, I’m inclined to lean towards the ladder.
Now while Moxxie doesn’t need violence to prove his worth he can definitely bring in a body count when motivated to do so. In Truth Seekers I counted at least 42 DHORK Agents that Moxxie killed, and that’s just from the on screen kills(plus implied kills based on his gun shots) and the bodies beneath him while he kept shooting, so yeah Moxxie can be pretty deadly when he wants to be
We used to think Valentino was the most evil character Vivzie made...well right now Crim is fighting him for that spot. Kind of makes you forget the "villain" part of villain protagonist when it comes to Moxxie
Also I want to note that a lot of people have wondered if Moxxie’s cheek marks were scars or freckles of some kind, and now we can DEFINITELY say that they’re decorative scarring, given his up upbringing.
And the fact that he had them as a very young child means it probably wasn’t a decision he made.
If Millie parents find out Moxie's father is. They would be in shock. And be real surprised that Moxie survived their pain
"Why is Crim hotter than Moxxie?"
Well, Moxx had to get his looks from somewhere, right?
I just realized everyone compares moxies bad trip to a Disney art style and turns out one of his parents is dead…
This episode, hanes down, elevated Moxxie from a character I enjoyed to my second favorite character in all of Hell. Being able to have, arguably, the worst backstory out of the main cast and still be one of the most well-adjusted characters is honestly kind of inspiring. The absolute fucking joy I felt for him when he threatened to kill Crim for threatening Millie was indescribable
12:17 Hes shitty but i love his design, his voice, and his looks. Hes just a dominant little man who I oddly wanna see more of, if you catch my drift. His horns are sharper and bigger then moxxie's, his suit is great, and so is his tail. His tail looks broken but interesting.
I've just noticed, in the episode Exes and Ohhs a big deal is made of Moxxie and Chazz reaching for the same grenade, well in the credits of the Helluva Boss Pilot storyboards of Moxxie singing to Millie have him presenting a grenade to her like an engagement ring; thematically (and potentially retroactively depending on how far you feel they planned all this) Millie is shown wholeheartedly embracing the love Chazz was indifferent to.
I enjoy your analysis vids a lot! I really loved your point about Moxxie wanting to identify more with Wrath culture since his mom is from there and his few fond memories of childhood are linked to her over his abusive father, but that culture doesn't accept him. He doesn't fit the standard. He doesn't fit the standard in Greed either, but his skills are more appreciated and valued there, so in a sense he "fits in *enough*". It adds a layer of complexity because he still tries to use the skills he has and enjoys versus become someone he isn't in spite of struggling to find acceptance/a home. I think his character is not trying to fit in or at least moving in that direction, he's trying to find a family that accepts who he is as a person. Another reason he likely fell in love with Millie. She also accepted he had his own way of doing things that didn't align with the standards she grew up with but she still loved him for who he was. There are aspects of their relationship that are very healthy and there's plenty of conflict they deal with that isn't relying on the crutch of miscommunication issues, which I appreciate. I also hope Millie gets her chance in the spotlight soon. I think this show struggles with the issue of having an ensemble cast full of many interesting characters and we don't have time to delve into them all, but from a writer's POV Millie is getting the unnecessary short end of the stick here. Of all the characters to miss the mark on fleshing out, she's too much of a main character for it to be reasonable to not explore her depth more.
For some god dam reason I’m now imagining Blitzo and Moxxie having a one night stand in prison
Each ring of imps has different styles and patterns of horns, scars, legs and tells. Moxie has greed ring style horns and wrath ring style of legs
me when i’m at a bad dad competition and my opponents are helluva boss characters
I’m curious what people thought of the scene before the wedding when Crimson has clearly poured coffee for Moxie and set aside a seat at the table for him, pointedly warning off Chaz.
Don’t get me wrong, Crimson is the irredeemable worst but is this his fucked up idea of a nice gesture or more a typical abuser thing, where they intersperse the cruelty with seeming acts of kindness to keep the victim off balance and gaslight them?
Or the coffee was drugged but honestly, it seemed like he was pretty confident he had Moxie cowed.
So many reactors kept confusing the imp Moxxie had to kill was his mother when it was a male. Bigger horns which was black and white, and the tail was also different. The mother was already dead and just wanted to show her shoe to show where she unfortunately went! ☠️
*Moxxie has mostly changed for the better during his adult years compared to his youth when he was trained to be part of the mafia and the loss of his mother. Though he has been through a lot he still manages to cope in different ways that make his life a bit easier. But there are still parts of himself that are still inflicted on him due to the terror he went through before meeting Blitzo*
I love positive and healthy Moxxie is with Millie in contrast to his father. Crimson treated his wife as a tool to bring a son into the family and raise him to be his minion, the two clearly didn’t have any chemistry considering how protective Moxxie’s mum is of him as a kid and how much she flinches at any sort of advancement Crimson makes on her. Meanwhile, Millie and Moxxie are open about their emotions for the most part, with Moxxie only hiding himself away when he thinks it’s beneficial for both of them and then learns to try and be more open and honest for the sake of their relationship. Crimson would never learn such a thing, he’s just an evil little imp with only money and power on his mind.
A great example of Moxxie and Millie’s relationship in contrast to Crimson’s is right at the start of the newest episode when Millie’s upset and freaking out. Moxxie doesn’t cower in fear or run away from the situation or force Millie into calmness, he listens to what’s bothering her and let’s her vent her frustrations healthily. If Moxxie’s wife were to ever get that upset, Crimson would simply argue with her and hit her and then just have her killed by his mafia associates because he can’t stand to feel inferior to anybody. The characters of Helluvaboss are so well thought out and detailed, it’s so fun looking in their backstory and growth to see the hidden details of their lives
Actually if u look at the tail in the whole episode, it’s not his mom. She has dots on her tail and the imp that is on the boat has stripes that she doesn’t have. I think another yt channel has also pointed it out. It’s probably not his mom who gets drowned in front of Moxie but she could still very well be dead.