Hasbro: We hear you're sick of villains being reformed. So, we're going to have the last major threatening villain slowly reform themselves, and save everyone! In all seriousness, that could be interesting
TWICE in the comics, there has been a good Sombra, due to either a parrell universe, or Sombra being a proper living being with a tragic past. I KNOW they are B-Canon, but it's still technially counts as a reformation. Tirek is generically evil, looks like a devil horse, and is locked in the equilvant of hell. I really don't see much fans wanting him back, at all. The Dazilings are EQ only in my mind, even though they used to be in the show's world. So I don't count them as villians for the show.
You mean the reverse world in the comic series? Technically it was a reform but from good to bad, not the other way around. If I see so far. These episodes wanted us to see the villain got reformed. I totally forgot about Mane-iac. P.s. I really dislike Celestia and Luna Hippies version.
In one of the comics it was revealed that since Sunset Shimmer didn't have friends the magic of the element of magic reacted with her strongest negative qualities which were lust of power and anger. This transformed her by amping those qualities to 11 and that was the birth of Nightmare Inferno. In the music video my past is not today Sunset had confirmed it with the lines of "Power was all I desire. But darkness was all I aquirer." And "Ambition was what I believed would get me what I want." And the same thing happened to human Twilight Sparkle. She had no friends and chinch blackmail her. So sci-twi had ambition and desire this what causes the transformation into Midnight Sparkle. However Daydream Shimmer can also be explained by desire as well. Sunset transformation was her desire to help her friends and show human Twilight another way and her guilt of bringing magic into the world. Most think guilt is a negative emotion true it can be bad but it can also lead into something good too. In story telling there is always something I like to call the three Ds. Deceit. Desperation. And Determination.
Very interesting theory. I feel like this has MASSIVE potential to be an actual episode, and the amount of character development for Chrysalis would be astounding!
Chrysalis- "Twilight never told you what happened to your mother!" Starlight- "She told me enough! She said you drained her of all her love!" Chrysalis- "No, I'm your mother!" :-P
Quite a theory you got here, doc. Though, I do want to point out there, that with the idea that Chrysalis did create these things, and if she did realize she's the only one who could actually put an end to it … she could just as easily force Celestia to give up Equestria to her as a sort of blackmail exchange. You know something like: "If I don't have it, then nopony will!" kinda deal.
I think this is a good idea, and I would definitely look forward to it, but I would like to see Chrysalis possibly just not being able to reform. It is a good lesson, like no matter how hard you try, some people just don’t want to change, and sometimes you just have to except that. But then again, the idea of coming back after many, many BIG mistakes, doesn’t mean you can’t change. I feel like it could go either way, but I know it won’t disappoint!
That is a good theory, Dr. Wolf! If that was not the plan of the writers of _MLP_ , then I hope they watch this video and it influences the direction they go in!
This would be a brilliant idea! It would make for a complex, engaging story for a season finale. I only have an ongoing draft of something similar, but I'd love to see better fanfiction writers explore this topic.
Well here we are a few years later. Looks like this video prediction didn't age well. XD I was glad that Chrysalis did not reform. She just seemed like too good of a villain to ever reform.
That’s a very good theory, Doc I suspect in the future episodes to come, the Mane 6 will be corrupted by the Elements (if they are corrupted) and they will turn into the Mean 6 and the the Friendship 6 (Sandbar, Gallus, Yona, Smolder, Silver Stream, and Ocellus) are worthy to wield the Elements of Harmony. AND, Chrysalis will have to also help stop the Mean 6 if they make a comeback in the other future episodes
Or she makes a mean Chrysalis who is just like the real Chrysalis with the evil cranked up to 11... Seeing this exaggerated version of herself makes the real Chrysalis rethink her life... (Or alternatively in her search for trustworthy and reliable minions to aid in her evil revenge plans is what ultimately leads her to making some friends without even realizing it... As someone who's lost everything and has been betrayed I could see her becoming VERY protective of anyone who becomes her loyal companion/servant... Though also likely very Tsundere about it too..)
Bring in starswirl, the rainbow powers and the rest of the changelings with the whole chrysalis redemption thing and we would get the best villain defeat/redemption in the show. I mean that's mostly the scene I'm looking for.
I've seen this happen before on another series.. I don't remember which one but when curing or stopping someone corrupted they used a spell or something to drain all the corruption from the character and recycled it turning them into there true selves... which happened to the mean six... they where originally made of tree bark...
A good theory and "IF" the writers were going to do all that I could see them saving it for the final season and having it be an overarching plot that would involve every creature and every kingdom trying to restore what was destroyed and maybe the mane 6 would have restore their reputation along the way after the mean 6 had tarnished it.
I just thought of three ways that could work in this episode: 1) The enemy of Chrysalis, the main 6, are the mean 6's friends. 2) The enemy of mean 6, Chrysalis, is the main 6's friends. 3) The enemy of the main 6, the mean 6, are Chrysalis's friends. Which one were you thinking of?
Ooh! That is a really good idea Dr wolf! One that I could actually see happening in the canon and nature of the show! I don’t even know if it will come to fruition or not, and I would love to write a story for this plot line! I have to get some more details though
If the writers of the show don't do this, I hope someone makes it into a fanfic as this is an AWESOME theory and one way I would accept Chrysalis reforming.
If I'm right, I somehow think the elements glowing black for a brief second would eventually have something to do with the lead to the season 8 final or what might happen in season 9. As in I somehow think Chrysalis might bring back all the evil that was defeated by the "elements" or "the Pillars of Old Equestria" to get revenge on Starlight at whatever the cost. To me just hearing her say "Servants always fail you in the end!" kinda sounded like she might end up being just like most villains I've seen in most other movies, TV show and especially anime (a villain who would try to kill the hero even if it means she will inevitably end up dying).
how would you fell about an episode where "bulk biceps teaches scootalo how to fly"? you could put a moral of "just because something is harder for you than most, it does not mean is imposible" or something among the lines
At first when you came up with this theroy I thought you were high! Chrysalis saving Equestria!? That's silly and dumb but once I started thinking about it and start listening to your point of view and the more it makes perfect sense to me. Good Job, Doc! I hope we'll see this coming to past next season.
Funny you mention Sunset Shimmer's corruption. I think what happened with the Element of Magic there was that that it sensed Sunset wasn't worthy, but it also sensed Sunset's strong negative emotions. One thing we know in the Equestria Girls world is that it certainly doesn't work the same way it does back in Equestria. I mean, heck, it gave plants sentient life when they were given water from a then magic watering can... But back to the topic. Then there's Sci Twi, Equestria Girl's Twilight. When she unleashed the magic that her pendant had taken from the others and the portal, it was consuming her and sensed her negative emotions, which have clearly been building up inside her thanks to Cinch. That same pendant allowed Sunset to go (for a lack of a better term) Super Sayian. I think those black flashes were the Elements and the Tree sensing the negativity of the mean 6. They may have looked like the mane 6, but the Elements would have never worked for them, as was shown when some of the mane 6 were "Discorded" way back in season 2.
Certainly would make an interesting episode...I hope 😊😗. Also it would be amazing if at the end of all the conflict, chrysalis actually get reformed and transforms like the all the other changings 😃😆
Thematically this could work, provided that Chancellor Neighsay emerges as the villain capitalizing on things. A situation where Neighsay was a threat to Equestria while Chrysalis, the creature most likely to to attack it, emerged as its savior would be some great irony.
Christopher Jones: True, but what if Chrysalis threatens her friends? Some kind of "If you help me, your friends will be safe" ? She is pretty loyal to them now, so that might work...
This recent episode reminded me allot about the episode from the Powerpuff Girls when Mojo Jojo created the rowdyruff boys and could not control them. It also reminded me of that episode where MoJo came up with a plan to destroy the PowerPuff girls, only for it to backfire and the girls only even became aware of it being MoJo when he became crazy and was stating that he did it. I would love for Chrysalis to become the MoJo JoJo of Mlp, and if she does save Equestria it needs to be by accident, meaning that she was off setting up her revenge and just happens to release the revenge as some new villain has defeated the ponies and that revenge just so happens to stop the bad guy. In fact if they must reform Chrysalis, the way I want her reformed is to have her revenge backfire and save Equestria, and all the ponies become aware that Chrysalis saved them and while Chrysalis is fuming because her plan failed again, you have all the ponies praise her, and she just happens to like the feeling of the appraisal she gets from do good deeds.
This sounds like it could be really cool. I kind of hope that Chrysalis won’t truly reform even if she does save Equestria. Cause even people (or ponies) who are bad, can sometimes do good things. I’m going to put in a guess now, and say that if Chrysalis isn’t the season finale baddie who gets reformed in season 8, I imagine she’ll be the series finale baddie. All we can really do, is hope that the writers come up with a better reformation for her, than what we’ve seen with other characters.
The more I watch this episode the more I think that: a)this ending had something to do with the corruption and it was a pretty good ending or b) it was an awesome episode but the ending was terrible
A vary nice theory! And something that's interesting to think about. Just don't get over hyped thinking about it. I came up with a theory for the end of season 6 and had thought over it so much it made the actual episodes less enjoyable. But I guess re watching them helped with that. Sincerely, Guardian Blade.
remember that the changlings are, even if they betrayed her still her children...imagine if the mean six weant after the hive....and chrysalis had to watch as her home, her kingdom was leveled to the ground her subjects scatered and lost, betrayed or not, these are her children...those she has watched over, cared for, sheltered even if only for her own gane pehraps, all there lives...she belived she lost everything, but she truely hadnt till that moment...and in that moment queen chrysalis finaly can stand it no longer she agrees to aid starlight...what comes next...hard to say perhaps she saves all of equestria indeed...but perhaps in so doing rather then being reformed she sacrafices herself...queen chrysalis is no more...but in her final moments, she proves even the greatest darkness harbors light.
If Chyrysalis tries to ask Lord Tirek for help & Tirek doesn’t trust Chyrysalis because he probably knows her or she’s a changeling, Chyrysalis will probably tell him she just wants her revenge of Starlight Glimmer, her kingdom back,her changelings back & to take over Equestria, but she needs his help & maybe Tirek will thank her for freeing him & work together & get rid of Discord & gather the elements of harmony from the tree of harmony & use them against the ponies & maybe ask the dragons for help to take over all of Equestria together & start a war
Good theory Doc!^^ I'm wondering if the elements was reacting the mean six behaving opposite to the mane six and then attacked the mean six. The tree attacked them for being untrue to their elements? After it's done turning dark, there is a light flash again afterwards. The tree could still be corrupted though, maybe the light flash was just showing that it was done with sucking the magic out of the treelogs. It would be interesting to see how this will come up again. I feel like maybe it was a teaser for the finale. ^^ So excited!
I like your idea Doc. Here is my modified version of it. The Mean Six do come back and use the corrupted elements to reek havoc on Equestria. Meanwhile, the secondary build-up of this is that one pony, Pipsqueak (because tbh a pony that unique, both in design and possibly being based on a Charles Dickens character who earns the affections of a girl who was raised to see love as nothing more as a means to elevate one's status.) befriends Chrysalis and becomes her "friend". Mean Six comes in and Pip goes to help out and Chrysalis leaves at first thinking she doesn't care, but then cares and finds a new source of power that allows her to beat the Mean Six. A power that is awakened when she sees Pip get hurt. everything else is pretty much the same. What do you think?
Is it just me or was the death of the Mean 6 very horrible. I mean was the tree like “ ya I killed them slowly and painfully, but they were mean so they deserved to die” isn’t this a show where all baddies still have good in them. I’d love to see the main 6 and mean 6 team up and change the mean 6’s lives. Perhaps the show could go back to its old roots and the clones could be the teachers at the school. As a StarWars The Clone Wars fan. I can’t stand watching clones die after being seen as worthless copies.
Joshua Dunford Well, I'm not necessarily sure there was good in them. They were created for big plans, evil plans. Chrysalis crafted them to be evil. Now, not saying that it necessarily damns them right of the bat, but they didn't leave much room for interpretation into the mean 6's characters. Besides, while I think it'd be smart on Chrysalis' part to reform, I'd be a bit mad to see a group born off of negativity and evil to be turned good. It'd almost be as bad as if the sirens were to reform.
A lot of children's shows are like that. They'll never even bring up the concept of death under normal circumstances, but that sapient robot or tree creature? Blow it to pieces.
Wow what a great idea that would be interesting I wouldn't believe Elements of Harmony becoming bad but I could happen. What's weird is that the Elements of Harmony didn't work 4 of the Mane 6 were corrupt and yes Rainbow Dash wasn't there so that didn't help matters because you can only have the true main six acting as themselves for The Elements of Harmony to work. But if the corrupted Mane 6 did use Elements of Harmony it would only work if the elements were corrupted as well as you are saying and sometimes elements can be used for bad depending on the person let me know what you think dr. Wolf.
I love this narrative, theory, idea you've proposed. It would be a shame if the writers tried to squeeze all of that story into a 2 part season finale. This is the kind of story that would need to take place over a minimum of 4 episodes to really understand and express the helplessness of the all the equestrian ponies, the turmoil within Chrysalis and the power and oppression brought on by the mean six. Maybe the elements of harmony would need to be destroyed. If the elements of harmony are corrupted and indeed hold the essence of the mean six then perhaps that would be the only real way to defeat the mean six. And that would certainly set the Equestria we know down a very interesting path. How would the Everfree Forest be controlled without the tree of harmony? What about future threats or the powers of darkness? How will the ponies find ways to balance chaos and disharmony? It's a future with heavy adventure and dark themes, so i doubt the show would go in that direction. But its fun to speculate.
I really want you to do "Chrysalis's therapy visit with Dr. Wolf""! Please please please do this! She's perfect for this! She's lost her hive! She's lost her kids! She's lost everything! Please take advantage of this idea before they turn her into a neon deer! Chrysalis is such an interesting character and her interacting with Dr. Wolf has a LOT of comedy potential!
Plus I guess that whoever uses the Elements of Harmony can be pure regardless of alignment. On another note, they should bring Sombra back. You know there are different ways of bringing villains to the good or so side.
If the Elements were corrupted, I'm pretty sure the Pillars of Light could purify them again. As for the sticks, if Cheese Legs didn't get rid of the sticks out of spite at the Mean 6 for daring to defy her, I'm sure the Mane 6 or Starlight at some point would've gone near the tree, seen the sticks and used them for the campfire
I actually had the same feeling regarding "The Mean 6".. Mean Twilight becoming the great villian of Season 8 and Chrissy having to help since she bascially created them.
My theory is that Chancellor Neighsay is going to be the villain on last episode, because obviously he pretty much warned/threatened Twilight about having different species together, that and also he sounded racist toward them al and how Ponies are better races, kinda like how Voldemort/Dolores Umbridge are on Harry Potter universe, it would be cool that Chrysalis ends up saving the day and reform at that point.
I hope that something like what you describe happens, but I don't think it will happen quite like that. Not sure what will, though. I think that, in the case you describe, Starswirl, Mistmane, Flash Magnus, Somnambula, Meadowbrook, and Rockhoof would step in. As the creators of the Elements I think they might also be able to do something. I also don't think that the scene looks like the Elements being corrupted, but it could go either way.
It might make a fantastic story, but I doubt it will come to pass. There are no stakes in MLP anymore and I feel like the writers will forget this "corruption of the elements" plot point or it will just go nowhere.
Hasbro: We hear you're sick of villains being reformed. So, we're going to have the last major threatening villain slowly reform themselves, and save everyone!
In all seriousness, that could be interesting
Yesssssss!
If I might added. Not all villains will reform. Do not forget about Tirek, Sombra and the Sonatas. We haven't heard anymore of their stories yet.
TWICE in the comics, there has been a good Sombra, due to either a parrell universe, or Sombra being a proper living being with a tragic past.
I KNOW they are B-Canon, but it's still technially counts as a reformation.
Tirek is generically evil, looks like a devil horse, and is locked in the equilvant of hell. I really don't see much fans wanting him back, at all.
The Dazilings are EQ only in my mind, even though they used to be in the show's world. So I don't count them as villians for the show.
You mean the reverse world in the comic series?
Technically it was a reform but from good to bad, not the other way around.
If I see so far. These episodes wanted us to see the villain got reformed. I totally forgot about Mane-iac.
P.s. I really dislike Celestia and Luna Hippies version.
I mean he was reformed in a different comic, were he was revived from the dead, and managed to become a better guy at the end of the Arc.
Think of how conflicted.. CELESTIA would be if she saw mean Six Twilight.
points for that profile pic. XD
YES ID LOVE TO SEE MY NEMESIS TIA WITNISS MY DEAR CHRYSSIS CREATIONS IT WOULD BE HELL-ARIOUS!!
norsehorse84 agreed
After that episode, that facs gonna be everywhere
Mean Celestia? Mean Luna?
Mean Discord?
In one of the comics it was revealed that since Sunset Shimmer didn't have friends the magic of the element of magic reacted with her strongest negative qualities which were lust of power and anger. This transformed her by amping those qualities to 11 and that was the birth of Nightmare Inferno. In the music video my past is not today Sunset had confirmed it with the lines of "Power was all I desire. But darkness was all I aquirer." And "Ambition was what I believed would get me what I want."
And the same thing happened to human Twilight Sparkle.
She had no friends and chinch blackmail her. So sci-twi had ambition and desire this what causes the transformation into Midnight Sparkle. However Daydream Shimmer can also be explained by desire as well. Sunset transformation was her desire to help her friends and show human Twilight another way and her guilt of bringing magic into the world. Most think guilt is a negative emotion true it can be bad but it can also lead into something good too. In story telling there is always something I like to call the three Ds. Deceit. Desperation. And Determination.
Very interesting theory. I feel like this has MASSIVE potential to be an actual episode, and the amount of character development for Chrysalis would be astounding!
We need a Starlight And Chrisalis Fight! Lol
Apple Bloom: “What’s this one?”
Cozyglow: “Control?”
👀
Chrysalis- "Twilight never told you what happened to your mother!"
Starlight- "She told me enough! She said you drained her of all her love!"
Chrysalis- "No, I'm your mother!"
:-P
Chessking E4 wow that is interesting if that were to happen.
Though I meant this as a joke, it could be interesting even if Chrysalis was just screwing with Starlight's head.
Chessking E4 of course they not go this route because of copyrights.
But really though... that would be quite the plot twist!
*cue mother-daughter bonding montage with Starlight and Chrysalis set to happy music*
If they have to reform Chrysalis, this would be the most epic way to do it and I'd approve of it! XD
Or she'll be the final boss of the series
Quite a theory you got here, doc. Though, I do want to point out there, that with the idea that Chrysalis did create these things, and if she did realize she's the only one who could actually put an end to it … she could just as easily force Celestia to give up Equestria to her as a sort of blackmail exchange. You know something like: "If I don't have it, then nopony will!" kinda deal.
fair enough...
I think this is a good idea, and I would definitely look forward to it, but I would like to see Chrysalis possibly just not being able to reform. It is a good lesson, like no matter how hard you try, some people just don’t want to change, and sometimes you just have to except that. But then again, the idea of coming back after many, many BIG mistakes, doesn’t mean you can’t change. I feel like it could go either way, but I know it won’t disappoint!
That is a good theory, Dr. Wolf! If that was not the plan of the writers of _MLP_ , then I hope they watch this video and it influences the direction they go in!
legendre007 if it's not, this episode looks kinda awkward as a one-off.
I totally agree!
I agreed with legendre007
You know they have already ended all the episodes right?
Wut u talkin bout, kid? :)
This would be a brilliant idea! It would make for a complex, engaging story for a season finale. I only have an ongoing draft of something similar, but I'd love to see better fanfiction writers explore this topic.
This is gonna be good!
AS LONG AS THEY DONT BUCK IT UP HELL YES!!!!!
Brony Villain King agreed
she saw her (and corrupted remane5 before) during "Return of Harmony"
Cameron S
Well here we are a few years later. Looks like this video prediction didn't age well. XD
I was glad that Chrysalis did not reform. She just seemed like too good of a villain to ever reform.
That’s a very good theory, Doc
I suspect in the future episodes to come, the Mane 6 will be corrupted by the Elements (if they are corrupted) and they will turn into the Mean 6 and the the Friendship 6 (Sandbar, Gallus, Yona, Smolder, Silver Stream, and Ocellus) are worthy to wield the Elements of Harmony. AND, Chrysalis will have to also help stop the Mean 6 if they make a comeback in the other future episodes
Motown Warriano something completely different is actually going to happen
darcel francis oh well whatever happens I’m sure it’ll be epic and awesome
I kinda want to see all the past enemies of the ponies be forced to use the elements to save equstria
Seriously, that is an AMAZING theory... Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Starlight makes a mean Chrysalis, who turns out to be good
ooooh I like that!
Or she makes a mean Chrysalis who is just like the real Chrysalis with the evil cranked up to 11... Seeing this exaggerated version of herself makes the real Chrysalis rethink her life... (Or alternatively in her search for trustworthy and reliable minions to aid in her evil revenge plans is what ultimately leads her to making some friends without even realizing it... As someone who's lost everything and has been betrayed I could see her becoming VERY protective of anyone who becomes her loyal companion/servant... Though also likely very Tsundere about it too..)
I agree! :) That could be a 2 to 3 parter. Or a movie!
I wanna see a Dr. Wolf video where it's structured like a Vsauce video.
One why for Chrysalis to save Equestria without redeeming herself is if she did it by doing the dirty work that the Mane Six couldn't do.
Some reason i am just imagning her saving the day accidentalyf like Mojo jojo from power puff girls.
4:37 No it sounds like the cartoon 'Miraculos Ladybug'
Bring in starswirl, the rainbow powers and the rest of the changelings with the whole chrysalis redemption thing and we would get the best villain defeat/redemption in the show.
I mean that's mostly the scene I'm looking for.
I love chrysalis she so awesome ^_^
I've seen this happen before on another series.. I don't remember which one but when curing or stopping someone corrupted they used a spell or something to drain all the corruption from the character and recycled it turning them into there true selves... which happened to the mean six... they where originally made of tree bark...
Oh sweet Celestia I hope this happens! I'm also really glad that I'm not the only one who thought the elements were corrupted in that episode
I wonder what Discord would do with Mean 6!Fluttershy?
Christina Littleton lol
This idea is honorable man! Hopefully it becomes cannon.
That's crazy-talk, Doc.
Pure crazy talk.
lol
That would make a very satisfying episode of the series and (possibly) a satisfying conclusion to the show in Season 9.
I'd love the idea that a villain could end up saving Equestria.
:)
Now this makes me wanna interview Dr Wolf even harder.
You're right. That would be really amazing! I never would've come up with such a genius idea!
A good theory and "IF" the writers were going to do all that I could see them saving it for the final season and having it be an overarching plot that would involve every creature and every kingdom trying to restore what was destroyed and maybe the mane 6 would have restore their reputation along the way after the mean 6 had tarnished it.
plants defend themselves, that's what i saw,
Well that's quite a head trip, i hope that Dr Wolf gives the rest of us a link to the completed fic.
Be funny if she save Equestria by accident
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
I just thought of three ways that could work in this episode:
1) The enemy of Chrysalis, the main 6, are the mean 6's friends.
2) The enemy of mean 6, Chrysalis, is the main 6's friends.
3) The enemy of the main 6, the mean 6, are Chrysalis's friends.
Which one were you thinking of?
T Frahm 2
i love this idea, however, i still think chrysalis shouldn't change like the other changelings. i think she should be like a antihero or something
New drinking game, take a shot every time doc says 'Real stakes'
OMG! Just imagine DISCORD around Mean 6 Fluttershy.
Actually never mind that, Discord around the Mean 6 PERIOD.
Ooh! That is a really good idea Dr wolf! One that I could actually see happening in the canon and nature of the show! I don’t even know if it will come to fruition or not, and I would love to write a story for this plot line! I have to get some more details though
That is a VERY intriguing theory, Dr.Wolf. One I hope comes to fruition one way or another.
If the writers of the show don't do this, I hope someone makes it into a fanfic as this is an AWESOME theory and one way I would accept Chrysalis reforming.
If I'm right, I somehow think the elements glowing black for a brief second would eventually have something to do with the lead to the season 8 final or what might happen in season 9. As in I somehow think Chrysalis might bring back all the evil that was defeated by the "elements" or "the Pillars of Old Equestria" to get revenge on Starlight at whatever the cost. To me just hearing her say "Servants always fail you in the end!" kinda sounded like she might end up being just like most villains I've seen in most other movies, TV show and especially anime (a villain who would try to kill the hero even if it means she will inevitably end up dying).
how would you fell about an episode where "bulk biceps teaches scootalo how to fly"? you could put a moral of "just because something is harder for you than most, it does not mean is imposible" or something among the lines
Thanks for teaching me magic drwolf now I know how wizard arms work
At first when you came up with this theroy I thought you were high! Chrysalis saving Equestria!? That's silly and dumb but once I started thinking about it and start listening to your point of view and the more it makes perfect sense to me. Good Job, Doc! I hope we'll see this coming to past next season.
Funny you mention Sunset Shimmer's corruption. I think what happened with the Element of Magic there was that that it sensed Sunset wasn't worthy, but it also sensed Sunset's strong negative emotions. One thing we know in the Equestria Girls world is that it certainly doesn't work the same way it does back in Equestria. I mean, heck, it gave plants sentient life when they were given water from a then magic watering can... But back to the topic. Then there's Sci Twi, Equestria Girl's Twilight. When she unleashed the magic that her pendant had taken from the others and the portal, it was consuming her and sensed her negative emotions, which have clearly been building up inside her thanks to Cinch. That same pendant allowed Sunset to go (for a lack of a better term) Super Sayian. I think those black flashes were the Elements and the Tree sensing the negativity of the mean 6. They may have looked like the mane 6, but the Elements would have never worked for them, as was shown when some of the mane 6 were "Discorded" way back in season 2.
DRWolf, you are brilliant, sir!
This better be an episode. This is almost as good as the canterlot wedding rewrite
the elements of harmony are like chaos emeralds, neither good nor evil but used right can be used to do great good.
Just watched the finale, didn't go that way sadly. But I'm not going to spoil it. Hopefully they do it in a future episode
Certainly would make an interesting episode...I hope 😊😗. Also it would be amazing if at the end of all the conflict, chrysalis actually get reformed and transforms like the all the other changings 😃😆
Thematically this could work, provided that Chancellor Neighsay emerges as the villain capitalizing on things. A situation where Neighsay was a threat to Equestria while Chrysalis, the creature most likely to to attack it, emerged as its savior would be some great irony.
I read, chrysalis ENSLAVES equestria
That's also a possibility.
Starlight is the MASTER of mind control/enslaving, so wouldn't it be cool if they enslaved Equestria together in a huge betrayal/rebellion?
Not gonna happen unless Starlight becomes corrupted herself by some outside force. She's put her past behind her.
Christopher Jones: True, but what if Chrysalis threatens her friends? Some kind of "If you help me, your friends will be safe" ? She is pretty loyal to them now, so that might work...
Oh, that would TOTALLY work.
This recent episode reminded me allot about the episode from the Powerpuff Girls when Mojo Jojo created the rowdyruff boys and could not control them. It also reminded me of that episode where MoJo came up with a plan to destroy the PowerPuff girls, only for it to backfire and the girls only even became aware of it being MoJo when he became crazy and was stating that he did it. I would love for Chrysalis to become the MoJo JoJo of Mlp, and if she does save Equestria it needs to be by accident, meaning that she was off setting up her revenge and just happens to release the revenge as some new villain has defeated the ponies and that revenge just so happens to stop the bad guy. In fact if they must reform Chrysalis, the way I want her reformed is to have her revenge backfire and save Equestria, and all the ponies become aware that Chrysalis saved them and while Chrysalis is fuming because her plan failed again, you have all the ponies praise her, and she just happens to like the feeling of the appraisal she gets from do good deeds.
I have a feeling that this gonna be a fern like scenario.
This sounds like it could be really cool. I kind of hope that Chrysalis won’t truly reform even if she does save Equestria. Cause even people (or ponies) who are bad, can sometimes do good things.
I’m going to put in a guess now, and say that if Chrysalis isn’t the season finale baddie who gets reformed in season 8, I imagine she’ll be the series finale baddie. All we can really do, is hope that the writers come up with a better reformation for her, than what we’ve seen with other characters.
The more I watch this episode the more I think that:
a)this ending had something to do with the corruption and it was a pretty good ending
or
b) it was an awesome episode but the ending was terrible
A vary nice theory! And something that's interesting to think about. Just don't get over hyped thinking about it. I came up with a theory for the end of season 6 and had thought over it so much it made the actual episodes less enjoyable. But I guess re watching them helped with that.
Sincerely, Guardian Blade.
I'd like to believe that the events of the episode created the Elements of Disharmony.
This is exiting it’s going to be good when I first watched the episode I was like what are you doing with the elements when I saw them turn black
Me saving Equestria now that's a big turnaround
remember that the changlings are, even if they betrayed her still her children...imagine if the mean six weant after the hive....and chrysalis had to watch as her home, her kingdom was leveled to the ground her subjects scatered and lost, betrayed or not, these are her children...those she has watched over, cared for, sheltered even if only for her own gane pehraps, all there lives...she belived she lost everything, but she truely hadnt till that moment...and in that moment queen chrysalis finaly can stand it no longer she agrees to aid starlight...what comes next...hard to say perhaps she saves all of equestria indeed...but perhaps in so doing rather then being reformed she sacrafices herself...queen chrysalis is no more...but in her final moments, she proves even the greatest darkness harbors light.
Honestly I had a really dark idea of the Mane 6 being reborn through the wood after they are somehow killed.
I agree, so long as they find a way to subdue Discord rather than just forget him this would make a fantastic episode
If Chyrysalis tries to ask Lord Tirek for help & Tirek doesn’t trust Chyrysalis because he probably knows her or she’s a changeling, Chyrysalis will probably tell him she just wants her revenge of Starlight Glimmer, her kingdom back,her changelings back & to take over Equestria, but she needs his help & maybe Tirek will thank her for freeing him & work together & get rid of Discord & gather the elements of harmony from the tree of harmony & use them against the ponies & maybe ask the dragons for help to take over all of Equestria together & start a war
My thoughts on the episode in one sentence, "and that just happened."
Good theory Doc!^^
I'm wondering if the elements was reacting the mean six behaving opposite to the mane six and then attacked the mean six. The tree attacked them for being untrue to their elements? After it's done turning dark, there is a light flash again afterwards.
The tree could still be corrupted though, maybe the light flash was just showing that it was done with sucking the magic out of the treelogs. It would be interesting to see how this will come up again. I feel like maybe it was a teaser for the finale. ^^ So excited!
Somebody start a petition to make this happen.
Where do I sign? :)
I think this could be a good start to an arc like the Freaza saga from DBZ.
What dose every pony think.
Well.. We see a reformed Chrysalis in Changeling space program and the sequel The Maretian.
A reformed Chrysalis is still a scary and mean Chrysalis.
I like your idea Doc. Here is my modified version of it.
The Mean Six do come back and use the corrupted elements to reek havoc on Equestria. Meanwhile, the secondary build-up of this is that one pony, Pipsqueak (because tbh a pony that unique, both in design and possibly being based on a Charles Dickens character who earns the affections of a girl who was raised to see love as nothing more as a means to elevate one's status.) befriends Chrysalis and becomes her "friend".
Mean Six comes in and Pip goes to help out and Chrysalis leaves at first thinking she doesn't care, but then cares and finds a new source of power that allows her to beat the Mean Six. A power that is awakened when she sees Pip get hurt.
everything else is pretty much the same. What do you think?
Is it just me or was the death of the Mean 6 very horrible. I mean was the tree like “ ya I killed them slowly and painfully, but they were mean so they deserved to die” isn’t this a show where all baddies still have good in them. I’d love to see the main 6 and mean 6 team up and change the mean 6’s lives. Perhaps the show could go back to its old roots and the clones could be the teachers at the school. As a StarWars The Clone Wars fan. I can’t stand watching clones die after being seen as worthless copies.
Joshua Dunford Well, I'm not necessarily sure there was good in them. They were created for big plans, evil plans. Chrysalis crafted them to be evil. Now, not saying that it necessarily damns them right of the bat, but they didn't leave much room for interpretation into the mean 6's characters. Besides, while I think it'd be smart on Chrysalis' part to reform, I'd be a bit mad to see a group born off of negativity and evil to be turned good. It'd almost be as bad as if the sirens were to reform.
A lot of children's shows are like that. They'll never even bring up the concept of death under normal circumstances, but that sapient robot or tree creature? Blow it to pieces.
This is gonna be so cool
If they go this route, it could at least be the most interesting redemption.... potentially.
Wow what a great idea that would be interesting I wouldn't believe Elements of Harmony becoming bad but I could happen. What's weird is that the Elements of Harmony didn't work 4 of the Mane 6 were corrupt and yes Rainbow Dash wasn't there so that didn't help matters because you can only have the true main six acting as themselves for The Elements of Harmony to work. But if the corrupted Mane 6 did use Elements of Harmony it would only work if the elements were corrupted as well as you are saying and sometimes elements can be used for bad depending on the person let me know what you think dr. Wolf.
*jumps out of C-130 airborne*
*insert X gon give it to ya*
hoo-ahh
I love this narrative, theory, idea you've proposed. It would be a shame if the writers tried to squeeze all of that story into a 2 part season finale. This is the kind of story that would need to take place over a minimum of 4 episodes to really understand and express the helplessness of the all the equestrian ponies, the turmoil within Chrysalis and the power and oppression brought on by the mean six. Maybe the elements of harmony would need to be destroyed. If the elements of harmony are corrupted and indeed hold the essence of the mean six then perhaps that would be the only real way to defeat the mean six.
And that would certainly set the Equestria we know down a very interesting path. How would the Everfree Forest be controlled without the tree of harmony? What about future threats or the powers of darkness? How will the ponies find ways to balance chaos and disharmony? It's a future with heavy adventure and dark themes, so i doubt the show would go in that direction. But its fun to speculate.
So... corrupted Elements? So... many let's introduce Grogar to the G4? xd
Chrysalis? save Equestria? that'll be the day Tartarus freezes over. but i do want to see her reformed
I really want you to do "Chrysalis's therapy visit with Dr. Wolf""! Please please please do this! She's perfect for this! She's lost her hive! She's lost her kids! She's lost everything! Please take advantage of this idea before they turn her into a neon deer! Chrysalis is such an interesting character and her interacting with Dr. Wolf has a LOT of comedy potential!
Plus I guess that whoever uses the Elements of Harmony can be pure regardless of alignment. On another note, they should bring Sombra back. You know there are different ways of bringing villains to the good or so side.
If the Elements were corrupted, I'm pretty sure the Pillars of Light could purify them again.
As for the sticks, if Cheese Legs didn't get rid of the sticks out of spite at the Mean 6 for daring to defy her, I'm sure the Mane 6 or Starlight at some point would've gone near the tree, seen the sticks and used them for the campfire
Conversely, the pieces of wood might have ended up in the campfire.
I have a good feeling this is going to be epic rest of the season! :-D
I actually had the same feeling regarding "The Mean 6".. Mean Twilight becoming the great villian of Season 8 and Chrissy having to help since she bascially created them.
My theory is that Chancellor Neighsay is going to be the villain on last episode, because obviously he pretty much warned/threatened Twilight about having different species together, that and also he sounded racist toward them al and how Ponies are better races, kinda like how Voldemort/Dolores Umbridge are on Harry Potter universe, it would be cool that Chrysalis ends up saving the day and reform at that point.
I hope that something like what you describe happens, but I don't think it will happen quite like that. Not sure what will, though.
I think that, in the case you describe, Starswirl, Mistmane, Flash Magnus, Somnambula, Meadowbrook, and Rockhoof would step in. As the creators of the Elements I think they might also be able to do something.
I also don't think that the scene looks like the Elements being corrupted, but it could go either way.
The problem with that is you have to get rid of discord. Cause if fluttershy is in danger discord comes in and sweeps up shop.
This was the exact theory I was arguing on Twitter on Saturday.
Validation...sweet.
It might make a fantastic story, but I doubt it will come to pass. There are no stakes in MLP anymore and I feel like the writers will forget this "corruption of the elements" plot point or it will just go nowhere.
Exactly. The idiot stick is an element in the show now, bringing the harmony of stupid plot points into the water supply of Equestria.
If only you guys read the leaks
I like your theory Doc, it might very well be possible
i need to get back to whatching this show.
If Chrysalis is gonna save Equestria then mount me on a wall!
The power of fanfic prevails you!
I deffinatly want to see Chrysalis coming back over the course of the series, just to see the ongoing progress of her decent into utter madness