Before anyone else comments "Of course you didn't like it, you're an adult judging a movie made for kids", let me just say that there's this one movie that was made for kids, and I still consider it excellent, even as an adult. It's called "The Incredibles"
Who the fuck would say that? You are telling me that people are getting mad at for judging a sequel to a movie that was out before modern kids were even born yet? This movie was clearly meant partly for adults considering they even had a behind the scenes thing before it started that said "we are sorry we made you wait for 14 years". And that is completely ignoring the fact that "its for kids" is not a valid argument for something to be bad. And I despise that mindset.
LOL, good one!!! The Incredibles waS great enough to be either its own standalone movie because Incredibles 2 turned its own franchise into Sonic the Hedgehog where then, the main characters used to make fun of cliches, but recently, things became cliches themselves.
Probably because Bob’s boss, Dash’s teacher, and Bon Voyage aren’t in it, which are 3 characters that gave the first movie a lot of personality, so Incredibles 2 is an indirect semi-sequel.
@@gaboogarciaav Everyone saw the superheroes. They didn't see the underminer escape, did they? They didn't see the fight. The fight took place inside the underminer's drill. Not outside. *No one saw it.*
@@kronome Everyone saw him before when he destroyed half of the parking, saw his appearance and how his giant drill destroyed the city bank. I'm sure that both the press and the police had an explanation for the tremendous destruction of the city, which didn't go unnoticed.
@@kronome Like irl, a case like that has to give information about what happened and how it all ended. People deserve an explanation for something like that, especially in a world with superheroes.
@@kumikamii Cuphead kept getting delayed, but people were still excited for its release. And when it was released, people were blown away by how great it was. So I was comparing them for the concept, not for a direct comparison
You missed a great opportunity to say "The Incredibles 2 is a great movie and sequel" and then play the teacher from the original movie yelling "*I THINK NOT!*"
Dash was reduced to a one dimensional psychopathic "comedy relief" character who only knows how to shout his lines, like when he desperately attempted, several times, to fire missiles from his dad's car into innocent civilians. Hilarious.
The biggest thing that bothered me personally, is that they NEVER bring up the fact that literally almost all the old generation of heroes were genocided. Like, there was even a character in the MOVIE obsessed with the classic hearoes, but no mention of their deaths, THE HEROES THAT DIED WERE EVEN IN THE MOVIE IN A FLASHBACK. It makes me so upset, and honestly feels like a huge middle finger to the previous movie.
Yeah I gotta be honest, that part coming to light would be a better argument for legalizing supers as well, since their isolation was part of what let Syndrome kill as many as he did.
I became incredibly angry over the major plot hole that is BRICK. Like, Mr. Incredible in the glory days was like All Might, the number one hero. And then this closeted hero Brick is introduced, and when they 1v1, Brick shows strength that FAR surpasses Mr. Dad. And as far as I know, Mr. Dad has no other powers, so why is he such a big hero? Why wasn't Brick the All Might of this universe??? WHY WAS BRICK A WANNABE
Pixar wasn't owned by Disney back when Incredibles came out, Disney wouldn't have ever let Syndrome waste all the Supers in the first movie if they had executive control, that's why it never gets mentioned.
ReDiculous22 @ everyone in this thread, go check out the deleted scenes for this movie! theres actually a big scene where they address everyone being dead because of syndrome and mr incredible gives a big speech about it in front of a buncha mourning people, basically a mass funeral of some sort. it does seem a bit out of place for the tone of the final movie but i agree it wouldve been nicer if they’d addressed it in some sort of way, even if small.
Fun fact: I was hyping up for both Incredibles 2 and Ralph Breaks the Internet and I was cynical towards Spider-Verse because its studio made The Emoji Movie. But both of them ended up disappointing me and Spider-Verse subverted my expectations in the best and outstanding way. Most of the new superheroes sucked, especially the Fortnite Guy and the "Chad" Clopin. "Chad" Clopin's character desing is so laughably bad.
The airplane missile chase scene in the first one was better than even the climax of the second one. Seriously the scene still gives me goosebumps and raises my blood pressure to this day. Just my opinion.
It's because of the stakes in that scene. We see a mother panicking because that missile might just be the end of both her and her two children, and it's creeping ever closer. It basically showcases Helen's maternal instincts under intense fearful pressure. Also, the climax of the second movie is just a boat going a little bit too fast. The climax of the first one was a giant city-destroying unstoppable robot that Syndrome no longer had control over. There was a whole lot more at stake. The death of a couple supers and maybe a few beach-goers isn't nearly on the same level. The fact that it may or may not result in Supers becoming illegal again is also way too vague and uncertain to actually be a threat, and it basically tries to tell the audience that the public will turn on literally every super because of the actions of a few, which is quite unrealistic.
As a mom, that scene is SCARIER now than it was when I was a kid, and I didn't think that was possible. I really finished it recently for the first time in years and thought "Am I holding my breath like I don't know what happens???" lol
Evelyn Logic: I'm going to help the good guys defeat the bad guy so the good guys can come out of hiding... and I'm the bad guy... and I don't want the good guys to come out of hiding... why am I helping them?
Carlos Plata So once they are out of hiding, I can turn them evil. People starting to believe in supers just to get their rug pulled from under them will make them hate supers more than if the supers just were evil to begin with.
Evelyn Logic: My plan is to make Supers illegal. So Imma bring one out of retirement, renounce their illegal status, just to enslave other Supers, showing how they're a threat, thus the public clamouring to make em illegal! Even though they had already been illegal for years at that point...
Critics: Paper Mario The Origami King Has a frustrating ring puzzle for combat. When Some people want to enjoy this new Paper Mario game for what it is: *COMBAT IS COMBAT!!*
@Andrew Brindley Also Syndrome was just objectively more entertaining to watch. I was getting into the screen slaver during that apartment fight. Afterwards, it was all downhill.
I really didn't like that villain backstory. It felt so lazy and generic, it's like the most basic and cliche "tragic villain backstory" you could come up with.
Screenslaver's backstory was one of the primary reasons why this film fell flat for me. Forget just lazy and generic, it wasn't even logical. I had my fingers crossed the whole third act hoping a character would tell Screenslaver how stupid and misplaced her anger is. Also was really hoping her brother would tell her that he wished she had died instead of their parents but I guess that's too dark lol
I think that Brad Bird was trying to include some more weird designs because he thought it would fit in this crazy world of superheroes. Honestly I didn't mind the designs
I want to know how in the world they keep their identity secret when they're normal civilians. I wasn't around back then, but I'm pretty sure most people in the 1960s didn't have bright blue hair.
@@maroonggirl I thought the movie took place in the early 2000s? I thought the 19s was when Helene and Bob were younger and when Supers were outlawed; it's been awhile so I'm probably wrong.
They looked so gross to me. You can clearly tell that these were the first final sketches for their side character ideas, and they just rolled with them. I genuinely wanted to throw up watching them- especially the old frog guy.
@@danmakes2497 It's in the 70s or 80s. I'm not sure which year, but on the newspaper in the first one, when Bob reads about Gazerbeam being missing (or his normal day persona, rather), there is a date from that time. Additionally, there is room to speculate that Bob fought in WW2. The era also explains why Bob could be sued, with different types of legal immunity for state actors only being created in the 70s or 80s, if I remember right. This also fits with the cars and with Television being pretty new, being the official reasoning behind Screenslavers actions. It even fits with the math reforms performed to compete with the Soviets, explaining the "Math is Math" scene. It also explains the look of the buildings of that company of the brother of Screenslaver.
I just don't understand how Helen looks younger yet thiccer 15 years later Edit: I realize no time has passed in the movie, I meant that she looks *younger* and *thiccer* somehow, despite being the same age. It's been 15 years since the last movie, and Bob clearly looks like he's older.
The issues: 1. Pixar didn’t make Fronzone ask for his super suit 2. Edna didn’t say Edna darling. Honestly this could have redeemed some of the movie for me.
I disagree. It would mean the writers would just re-use jokes because of internet popularity. It's the worst thing you can do for humor, aka, repeating it because of the memes, despite the fact that memes are themselves boring repetitions of the same joke.
They actually did. There's a deleted scene where Frozone battles his wife for control of his super suit, and it's wicked funny! I have no idea how all of the great ideas from the deleted scenes never made it into the movie, and I'm shocked that the final cut ended up so unbelievably average.
I think I finally realized what bothers me about this movie. TLDR: The 2nd movie discontinues the 1st's main themes of being stronger together by separating Elastigirl from her family for the majority of the film. LONG explaination below. In the first movie, Mr. Incredible/Bob has this whole complex about needing to do everything himself. He wants to keep his family safe, he doesn't want Helen to know he lost his job, so he secretly leaves on the mission. When Elastigirl/Helen finds out what's really happening, she immediately sets out, leaving her kids behind - to keep them safe. Obviously, Violet and Dash sneak onto the plane anyway. During his time on the island Mr. Incredible realizes he can't do everything alone, that he needs his family's support. And from the moment they all meet up, they continue to fight together through the climax with Syndrome. Hell, even the final shot of the movie has them prepared to fight the Underminer.....TOGETHER. Cool, right? So to have a 2nd movie where Elastigirl leaves her family behind to do her own mission just feels so....pointless. Why not have them all set out on a mission together? If they wanted to spotlight Elastigirl, they could've gotten separated or something, in a way that doesn't diregard the entire 1st movie. Like sure, they all do come together at the end, but I wanted to see more of that throughout the film. FWIW I enjoyed the 2nd. It's a good movie, just not a good sequal. Anyway, that's my deal. If anyone has thoughts feel free to share.
I completely agree. This is summed up in the scene from the first movie “I’m not strong enough”. I felt the same way. This movie should’ve been about them all being superheroes throughout the entire movie. I read someone’s story idea somewhere a year before this movie came out that had all the characters aged and Jack Jack was the villain. I like that better as an idea than the movie we got.
Thank you! Finally someone mentioned the other super heroes horrible character designs. They were such a downgrade from the other supers from the first Incredibles.
I agree, but too be fair, these were supers that had to come to be during the ban. There was no real chance for them to develop. Downgrade because they were in their infancy.
Tbh the way they handled Violet was even more frustrating than what they did to Dash. During The Incredibles, she had such an amazing arc of finding her own voice and valuing family, and she played the part of the emo teen so well! Then, in the sequel, she looked more like a whiny kid than the badass teenager that had been such an icon and inspiration to me. “OMG, my crush doesn’t remember me. I hate my life.” Ugh. They basically erased all the progress from the first movie.
This was my biggest problem with the movie. They retconned the character arcs from the first movie. Walked out of the movie halfway through I was so frustrated.
After she stops the train, and the screen says "welcome back, Elastigirl - Screenslaver" her eyes widen like she recognizes the name, at least that's what I thought it meant at first. I was really excited that this would be some recurring villain that Elastigirl had fought in the past, someone who had a cat and mouse game with her but disappeared when she went into hiding because there was no point without her, and came back after seeing her fight Syndrome's robot and the Underminer on the news. It was super disappointing to get a lame twist villain instead, I think that would have been such a cool plot! A villain from her past to compliment Syndrome, who had started out as Mr. Incredibles biggest fan and turned evil when he was shunned by him. When Bob is surprised that she used to have an Elasticycle, she says "there's a lot you don't know about me, eh, you didn't miss much," but they just never build on that in the movie?? I really thought we'd get a more Elastigirl centered plot, and we did, but the whole time she was just fighting someone who was letting her win and pretending to be her friend the whole time just for a twist betrayal. Also the moment she pulls off the pizza guys mask and he's acting all confused and not knowing what's going on, like the conductor on the train and everyone else who'd been hypnotized, she would have immediately pieced together that this young 20 year old dude wasn't the screenslaver and was just being controlled like everyone else.
Woah, Screenslaver being an old enemy of Elastigirl sounds immediately so much better! And it definitively felt weird, how much in the beginning the movie kinda promises to build up, but then none of it ever really happens... I was also really disappointed when she didn't connect the dots with the pizza guy, you'd think from all the previous scenes that she'd be smart enough to realize that.
''an improvement over the first is the animation'' As much as I like the elastagirl sequence, I will put dash running scene from the 1st pitted against any scene on this one
Even tho I hated how Violet was potrayed, I do appreciate Vowell making her sound more mature, she sounded like she was growing. T. Nelson & Hunter however, made their characters sound like grandparents!
@@firefiy8789 we are talking about a guy WHO fought an 15 m over 2000 ton robot WHO killed dozens of supers and the same guy can't beat a guy with jackhammers now that's an low ball
Personally I wished that they had used the 14 years of space between movies to their advantage! Like actually age the characters within that time gap! Seeing the kids grown up and what their world has become would be AWESOME! Maybe some flashbacks perhaps to when Jack Jack finds his powers or something, but that would have been so much cooler and entertaining to me.
Brad bird stated that he didn’t want to jump forward in time because it would either remove or drastically change the family aspect, which is what the whole franchise is about. I get where you’re coming from, it just wouldn’t work as good as you think it is in pen and paper. My main problem with the film is that it played too safe and remained in the shadow of the first film. It lacked a lot of complex emotion, and that’s a big thing that made me love the first movie so much. The incredibles 11/10, Incredibles 2 8.5/10
@@imasparagoose4451 Maybe jumping forward 14 years would have been too long, but a five-seven year jump? Violet about to leave for college, Dash now in high school, Jack-Jack an elementary schooler who can now have an actual personality? Or even a two year skip, maybe with heroics already legalized as the first movie implied. You wouldn't have to throw out the family dynamics, but they would shift and change... y' know growth. Honestly, it sounds like Brad Bird was too lazy (or lacked the imagination) to picture a family growing over time. A family doesn't stop being a family because the kids get older.
I feel like flashbacks in most movies are just cheap ways to move the plot forward. BUT I think Pixar knows how to use flashbacks really well to make us emphasize with the characters and love them even more (Jesse's flashback in Toy Story 2 is a great example)
@@StarryEyed0590 5 to 7 years is still long as hell by then lmao, the family dynamic would’ve definitely shifted substantially even by now The best they could do is 3 years or less
I did like this movie, but I was a bit disappointed to see that the Incredibles only fought as a family at the beginning and at the very end of the film. I thought that since they were a team by the end of the first film, that the sequel was going to be full of action sequences featuring the Incredibles fighting crime as a team. But instead, as soon as the family moves to the motel, we get a scene of Helen saying that things haven't really changed, and that what happened on Syndrome's island won't carry over to their real lives. That the kids have to go back to pretending to be normal. It felt like we were going back to square one.
I'm the one man on earth who never wanted a second _Incredibles._ I LOVED the first movie, and was thoroughly convinced that Pixar would blemish its good name with an inferior sequel. I was right. I hate it when I'm right.
I share your opinion. I always said about the first movie: the end is not a cliffhanger, they don't need a second movie after the first is obviously complete by itself. In my case, unfortunately I was wrong.
This movie felt like a long version of what happens when animated films get tv spinoffs. Has all the same looks and characters yet couldn't be more lost from the original genius that was "The Incredibles."
I’m twelve and I see people saying stuff like, “this movie was made for kids and that’s why you don’t like it.” I can confirm as a kid this movie is not good.
I am 24 years old and I loved it. But people have different tastes. It's fine to dislike it. You and me are not perfect representations of our demographic
Whenever I criticize movies in front of my mom, she gets so mad saying that it's a kids cartoon and I'm just mad it's not anime, but I'm the same person who sees the flaws in anime movies/shows. Help.
This is why I hate the "kids movie" term being used for almost every movie merely because kids just so happen to enjoy them. It became a cheap excuse to defend rather weak movies.
Yes! As a 13 year old, I cant say that the excuse that this was a "kids movie" is stupid. Its just an excuse to let this movie be bad. Its not a bad movie, but its not good either
Scott Larson So did i. When they entered the building i was thinking “someones the villain” and i saw the sister “Yep... That’s the screenslaver” and although the movie wasn’t bad. It wasn’t that good.
They introduced and designed her horribly. I mean, her name is Evelyn Deaver. Evil endeavor. Who the heck approved of that? What's the point of having a surprise villain if you literally name her evil. Gah it's frustrating!
Honestly, Incredibles 2 is fine as a standalone movie, but once you start comparing it to the original film (the villain being far better in 1 vs. 2) I2 is kinda disappointing.
I completely agree. Honestly, syndrome was a better villain, he had a more personal connection with the heroes themselves, his plan was better thought out. In incredibles 2, the villain was not planned out and had so many holes in their scheme. It was so predictable that my friend guessed the identity of the villain before the character was even introduced. (Slight spoiler ahead) he said “so I looked at the names of all characters in the film, this guy has a yet to be named or seen sister, it’s probably her”
Why am I the ONLY ONE who is upset that they found out ab Jack Jack's powers at the end of the first one but there was still like a whole subplot about finding out Jack Jack has powers in THIS movie??
Because in the first movie they actually don't discover that Jack Jack has powers. When he is fighting Syndrome, Elastigirl says something like "What's happening?" letting you know that they can't understand what is happening from that distance.
@@federico6690 The movie actually expected to believe the family was stupid enough to not know jack jack had powers! 1. The voice mails carrie sent only refer to a "replacement" at the final mail. 2. Decker had to know something from someone that the baby had powers to interrogate carrie! 3. Bob could listen clearly to syndrome when he said "I will get your son eventually!" & Also, why would jack-jack wait 3 damn months to show his powers?
@@jalslair1229 There was no Mozart played in the Parr household after Kari left. This made it less likely that Jack-jack needed to use powers. Bob did not necessarily hear Syndrome. Throwing the car at a dangerous murderer who just tried to take your son does not need further prompting. The voicemails were vague and did not necessarily demand that the family (who had a lot on their minds and were already under the impression that Jackjack had no powers) investigate Jackjack's "Special needs" which may or may not exist. Kari isn't in Helen's mind a reliable narrator.
@@michaelmccarty1327 in reason 3, I bring it up, cause people use it to back up how "they couldn't see or hear!" And the boom comics were more thoughtful on jack-jack's powers.
@@jalslair1229 What evidence is there to support that Bob heard anything Syndrome said? We the audience can hear it, but Bob did not need any further reason to throw a car at Syndrome
I thought I didn't like this movie cuz I was a kid when I watched the first one, but the sequel REALLY lacked everything that made the first one great. There was genuine danger and suspense in the fist one; the Jet scene, the "I could snap her like a toothpick" scene, the KRONOS scene. There was mystery and really decent character development. The super powers were great; Dash running on water and taking out the baddies on hover crafts was soooo dope. They really watered down I2, it REALLY felt like a kids movie, just goody humor and character models and a shallow plot that kids could understand. I could watch the first incredibles 1000 times and locations very it every time, I probs won't watch the sequel again.
I obsessed over the Incredibles, it was the only movie I wanted to watch when I went to my grandma's house. I swear I memorized whole pieces of dialogue from the movie and my grandma was tired of watching it over and over😂
jacesaces15 plus, like the video mentioned, THEY WASTED THE UNDERMINER PLOT. Over a DECADE WITH A VIDEOGAME OUTLINING AN ENTIRE STORYLINE WITH HIM AND ALL WE GET IS A CRAPPY EXPOSITION
One thing that really irked me was the lack of Edna....she had roughly the same amount of screentime that she had in the first movie if not a bit less when she's clearly a fan favorite.
I think it was a good amount of Edna, but what was missing was Edna's impact. She utterly controls the conversation in the first movie,masterfully getting Bob and Ellen to allow her to show off her superhero suit making skills. Yeah she kind of did that for a second when agreeing to babysit Jack Jack, but Bob was so sleep deprived at the moment, I feel like anyone could have done that.
I agree. The first one was much better in story, plot, exposition, and character development. I was honestly disappointed by the second one after so much hype and build up.
Personally, I really liked this movie, but I will say that it was painfully obvious that one of the Deavor siblings was gonna turn out to be the Screenslaver. I think that Disney and Pixar really have to stop doing these "twist villains" and just give us a regular villain for once.
The twist was that he wasn't the villain. The twist was super predictable, kinda cheesy, but I really liked the interactions afterwards between the two siblings. He didn't go along with her, he didn't change her heart via the power of love. She was stopped by the power of getting punched in the face if I recall correctly.
Shitty modern disney can't help it, they keep ruining potentially good movies with that garbage trope. Don't worry, Toy Story 4 will have a twist villain as well, despite the fact it had done twice already.
Best part of the movie for me was when Bob got frustrated over Dash's math homework because that's exactly what my dad did when I was in school. Like almost exactly word for word. I liked how Bob was trying to understand how to be a better father during the movie as well. Otherwise the movie was alright. It had good moments and... odd/bad moments but I enjoyed it for the most part.
I swear Bob's 'being a better dad arc' was the only good part of the movie that actually made me feel something. I wish it was written more entertainingly but it overshadowed by the action plot that wasn't even very good (which is ironic bc Brad Bird's films were really more about emotions than action).
wylinder in my opinion the main reason i thought this movie was meh was the villian. If the the villain had a better backstory and a better motivation the movie would be a solid A
juanto tree in all seriousness the main villain should have been someone else honestly. Or if they ended the movie with showing that the villain was wearing contact lenses that had a screen and it was like “ooooo wait another 14 years to find out what happens. Trust me guys this is gona be amazing”
I expected with all the praise this movie is getting there would be people out there who would disagree , I'm still going to watch it for myself though
I just want to add that I absolutely hated the new heroes shown later on in the film, isn't this movie supposed to be set in the 60s? They dont feel like in the right time at all and it's really confusing. It feels like this movie just flashed forward by years and not a day like its supposed to be. To me it's not a good sequel but because the new character building/world building.
I know, the new heroes look like dorks and don't exactly resemble people like the first movie(except for Void I suppose). They don't fit within the world of The Incredibles, compare the side heroes from the original movie and the new one. The original heroes from the first movie were supposed to resemble humans more because when Mr. Incredible started all that legal trouble that made them go into hiding, they were supposed to blend in being described as "average citizens and average heroes" in hiding but I guarantee that if you saw Brick on the street using his real name and in citizen clothing and already saw him in his suit on T.V., you could totally tell it was him. The new heroes are very overexaggerated and stand-outtish.
@@tendoukappa I mean her figure is normal but her outfit is a little to colorful. If they tweaked the outfit, she'd be perfect. The original outfits for the side characters usually had darker color schemes.
The problem was that these supers felt totally wasted in the long run. They would have had a lot of potential if they weren't used near entirely as Evelyn's mindslaves. Instead they were just used as more background characters with little to no development. And yeah, their designs were way too fucking exagerrated. That does not belong in an Incredibles movie. Actions and personalities are exagerrated but physical appearances are not.
Disney's making their movies too long and they need to STOP with the twist villains. They're so bad at it. The new designs are shit, the setting is shit and it ignores the time period it is set in. The movie reduced the complex mom to the tired "feminist" archetype that Disney keeps using over and over. The voice actors sound exhausted and old 'cause they are. This doesn't feel like an impassioned Brad Bird movie, it feels like a soulless modern Disney. It's such shame. The first movie still holds up and I'd argue it's even better as an adult. The sequel? It's hardly appealing to adults or children, despite their efforts to give it an adult edge. Fuck this movie for making the first movie's ending pointless. Not aging the family was a stupid decision that made no sense. They clearly wanted it to be set in modern day, so why not make everyone older? What a waste of time and money.
"Tired feminist archetype" Buddy, you won my like. I disagree though with them starting where they left of because i believe more stories can be told at their current age than skipping ahead and making the older characters retired. I feel it would remove some of the dynamics. But i seriously agree that it made the first ending pointless. Especially after Tony gets his mind erased. That's putting Violet literally at square 0.
@@damotoneko1500 I actually groaned when it showed the start of the fight and the parents were refusing to let Dash and Violet help... I remember thinking "oh, great, they just destroyed all of the character development from the first movie and we are only 30 seconds in."
@@damotoneko1500 1. Main focus is not given exclusively to Elastagirl for the feminist propaganda. All characters are given focus and development just like the first one, and maybe with the A plot for her like it was for Mr. Incredible but not to such an obnoxious extent. 2. The children are treated with respect and not used as background decoration. 3. The setting of 1960's-ish with some scifi tech is maintained. 4. Totally different plot, no surprise villain, but still based around the idea of Supers finding a way to come out of hiding. Maybe have a plotline around super villains becoming more and more active due to the absence of supers and the government realizing it is safer and cheaper to let supers deal with them or something. 5. Or maybe just let a classic stand on its own and never make a new one because that's just derivative and stupid.
That kind of makes me hate an animated movie, when they are perfect appearance-wise, but the story is annoyingly mediocre. Seems like a huge waste of time, money and very skilled artists. If kids don't care about the fact that the story is bad, why would they care about the animation?
@@dramawind I wouldn't say the story was mediocre, just not as good as it could have been, and honestly I see merit in watching some films purely for the technical aspects, not that I think a film with only good production values is good, story is key, but I wouldn't say the work of the animators is wasted on this film, something like Sherlock gnomes however...
I feel like it would’ve helped the movie if they just had the Screen Slaver as a persona used to boost ElastaGirls fame. Like yeah it would’ve been equally predictable, but would’ve made more sense and could’ve led to a more morally gray conflict.
I agree. It would have been a lot better if Screenslaver was just a fake villain invented by Winston and Evelyn to make Elastigirl look good, rather than be an actual villain. Just like you said! It would have led to Elastigirl having to deal with a tough decision (keep going for the betterment of supers and her family, or stop because she'd probably think it was wrong). That would have been a good development for her character, as well as making the "villain" a lot better. Don't get me wrong. I don't hate Screenslaver, and I actually think her motivations were more realistic than Syndrome's, but her character just wasn't handled well at all.
Would she go along with it? Would she end it all, sacrificing super's chances of being legal again, would the two just look for another super to fill in her shoes? If she went along with it, would she be found out, essentially making her look like the villian in the majority of people's eyes? Ooh sounds like an interesting wa to go (but ultimately i feel like the complaints of a "weak" villan would still be there or if it were to be too much in the grey area a complaint about there not really being any villians). Anyways, considering sequels are hard to improve on, I think they did a decent job of it.
You don't feel like this was a morally grey conflict? Because she wasn't wrong, y'know. If someone steps in, and removes all of your conflicts for you, sheltering you from the struggles of life, it makes you weaker. She's fighting for a world where normal humans have autonomy; where they have to struggle, learn, grow, and overcome. Where people have to think their way out of trouble, and not just blow a rape whistle and hope someone hears it.
I was watching this movie with my family in theaters, and half way through the movie my brother turned to me and said "I think it's Mark's sister." And I just agreed and we went over all of the clues of why it could be her and when it was revealed to be her we just turned to each other and my brother said "We called it" and I was just like "Yeah, pretty predictable."
@@Yimika777 I barely made it through the first season of korra (literally just watched through avatar the last airbender and started Korra this month because quarantine). I didn't even bother to start the second season of Korra. And I don't think I'm going to.
I did not like the new character designs. It didn’t fit in, all the supers before were normal looking humans. But the new character looks just felt too cartoony, almost like something from MHA.
Pixar needs to cut it the fuck out with these last-second twist villains. It’s become so bland and predictable. Syndrome was such a great and memorable villain because he was revealed halfway through the movie and was actually given time to develop. Sure it was still a twist but it was done RIGHT.
...It wasn't a twist. She revealed herself as anti-super very soon after she was introduced. You were supposed to realize the villain's identity as soon as pizza guy starts monologueing. If you listen, it's the very same ideology she was pushing.
It was a poorly introduced twist that was just too predictable. You didn't even need a proper motivation to figure it out, she had the means and opportunity, and EVERY SHOT they talk about the Screenslaver, you see her in the background trying not to be conspicuous. It was honestly hilarious seeing her act subtle.
Here, let's fix this villain. Starting with the backstory, Evalyn and her brother should have had their parents killed by collateral damage caused by supers during a villain attack. Say, Bomb Voyage destroyed a train's rails many years ago, and the Incredibles couldn't catch it in time, and so their parents died because of it. Now Evalyn and her brother treat grief different ways, where her brother ends up going into denial, pushing down his grief for years, but Evalyn tries not to outlaw supers, but to destroy the Icredibles' and Frozone's entire careers by becoming the Screenslaver, who does whatever they can to make the Incredibles look bad, which begins to ruin their lives as the movie goes on, but they have no idea why. But as Evalyn starts to bond with Elastagirl, she starts to question her own motivation, since ruining Elastagirl's life becomes mor painful for Evalyn. Finally, when the Screenslaver has them right where she wants them, before she's about to ruin their careers, she tells them about her grief, and what they did. At that moment, her brother comes in, and they have a deep conversation about their grief, both of them opening up to one another, and she realizes what she's doing isn't the right thing to do. With Screenslaver's power and influence over the city, she stages a triumphant defeat to make the supers look good, and restore their status. This way she has inner conflict, understandable motivation, *heavy* impact on the plot, and actual sympathetic qualities that make her a great villain.
I don’t get why it was too hard for Pixar to come up with a strong villain even if it’s Evelyn Deavor of all antagonists (being proven by you to be perfectly capable of being a stronger character!!!!), other than Pixar, in mid-2018, happened to go from one of the most misogynistic businesses (that you’d think would be as great as most of its films) to a misandristic company, the way it handled main female characters by making them Mary Sues and Karens at the same time and call it “real female empowerment”. FU Disney!
I would say he gave it a 6/10 as a joke, but he did state that he can't not say he likes Incredibles 2 despite his problems with it that got him to make this video. However, he did sound like the movie had more strong cons than strong pros to offer. Probably because it does, and with that said, I give it a 4/10.
I was only disappointed in the Screenslaver...that's it. I'd give this a slightly higher rating, like 7/10 or 7.5/10, 8/10 at the highest, but I honestly thought it was still a good movie. not AS good as the original, but still overall not that bad.
Same hear Movie was great The short was great The humor was great The action was great. The villain sucked I thought the screenslaver himself was a badguy but no. Also The screenslavers voice wasn’t as cool in the trailers
Dylan Adams This is more so how I feel, though I still liked the video for being brave enough to say this film isn’t perfect. The villain fell flat, but other aspects were fantastic. Elastigirl’s action scenes, for example, were awesome. If I compare them to elongated-man or plastic-man (they have her powers) from DC comics, it’s obvious that elastigirl has the better fights.
This is my take on how they could’ve bettered the villain. They could’ve just had the same concept that the Screenslaver’s father was a big superhero fanatic and invested his fortune on them. He installed the phone shit and whatever. They could’ve had it that when they were being burgled, one of the super heroes did come in try to save them after the call. However, her mother called the cops just in case behind her husbands back. This superhero tried defying the new ban against supers and when the cops came, he could’ve beaten the burglar himself but he ran to protect his identity and family. Which resulted in the death of that guy. This could’ve helped perpetuate the idea that you shouldn’t trust your life in the hands of superheroes and that they shouldn’t be the crutch to your solutions. Superheroes are nothing more than just a deluded concept. The same delusion that got her father killed and her mother to die from heartbreak. Wanting to keep superheroes in the dark forever.
My mom and I loved Incredibles 2, but i can understand why it wasn't someone's cup of tea. The villain is the weakest part of the film since I found her quite cliche, but I actually loved the action scenes and the parts with Jack Jack are definitely the best for me. Also Pixar (Disney) is one of the most liberal companies in the world. I find it funny how they don't have enough minorities or women working as the lead(or at least that's what you said). Really shows the irony, lol.
I honestly would have preferred if Evelyn died when she was sucked out of the jet. It'd give us another dark, jet-related Incredibles villain death like Syndrome and would have honestly been the most gripping thing about Evelyn.
Incredibles 2 is literally the same story as the first, except the mother gets a chance to be a hero again, and not the dad. They just switched roles, that's it. The first inc edibles is a world without superheroes, and they made a big impact on destruction around them while fighting. The father of a family misses those days, and wishes he could be a hero again. The father get's a call one day, saying they need him to be a hero again. He answers the call, while the mother is taking care of the house and kids, jealous she can't be apart of the fighting. One minor difference, the mother doesn't know about the father doing his hero job, so it was clever how they played it on the mother as if the father had an affair. Incredibles 2 is about superheroues, once again, hiding from the public, because they caused to much destruction around them when fighting. The Mother of the family misses those days and wishes she could be a hero again. The mother gets a call one day, saying she is needed to be a hero again. She answers the call while the father is at home, taking care of the house and kids, jealous he can''t be apart of the fight. One minor difference, the dad isn't kept in the dark about the mother being a hero again. The new Disney/Pixar just doesn't get what made the original Pixar studios so amazing. They would rather retell the same stories, with a new CG update, than create original stories, like the original Pixar. OG pixar was more worried about telling new, interesting stories, without sequels. This was a sequel THAT DID NOT NEED TO HAPPEN, but the fans couldn't let the original be a masterpiece. Welcome to the downfall of "The Incredibles".
@@psychicgoblin3781 Because the first movie was great the sequel had a solid base and good animation...nothing else. Also, discount lame "female Lex Luthor" as the antagonist
TheGreenMachine987 While I do agree that whatever race a person is shouldn't matter in stuff like this in the long run, I don't see any problems at all showing appreciation for diversity like this. Especially since he didn't say anything like "this short is good only cause the directors race and gender."
Yeah exactly, yet you get people actively trying to stop certain groups from getting access to making stuff. Not on the basis of their skill, but on the basis of race or gender.
Yeah, why focus on a person's achievements when you can point out what race they are? Isn't that sort of, I dunno, racist? Saying something is somehow worthy of praise just because it was made by a certain person? If you want to prevent racism, you don't point out someone based on the color of their skin.
well some people like to go to the circus a few people like to laugh at the monkeys the rest couldn't care either way ....Liberals just want to laugh at the monkeys (minorities), frankly it seems racist
"not making creative use of these powers" The only hero powers in this movie that aren't utilized creatively are Mr. Incredible and Dash. Were you asleep during the scene when Elastigirl is riding the bike that can separate and move with her body?
MrZurata Agreed. I remember seeing elongated man and plastic man in comics, and though they share elasti-girl’s powers, their fight scenes were so much worse.
Yeah that was fucking amazing, I have to agree there. But it is disappointing that Dash and Mr. Incredible didn't really get to do anything in this move. The first film was more centered on Bob, sure, but Elastigirl still got her badass plane scene and stealth mission, and Dash outrunning the gyro-copters was one of the best scenes in the first movie. There's no balance in Incredibles 2.
MrZurata And the thinking with portals. I hated that hero because of her clingy demeanor and not much char development to justify it, but her fight scenes were pretty neat.
MrZurata Yeah that was sick. The movie to me seems rushed while you can tell they took their time with the first one to make it the best it could be. Truthfully the sequel had unfair shoes to fill, the first movie is the highest graded superhero film of ALL TIME per those tools over there at Metacritic.
Mr. Incredible's powers are kinda basic and he got most of the action in the first movie, so. then Dash has pretty basic powers too, but they did him good by having him do the stuff with the car, then he ran around the owl dude and made his head spin. That was sick.
Incredibles 2 was definitely disappointing. I thought they'd come up with something more innovative and unpredictable, but no. It's not a horrible movie, and is worth a watch, but Incredibles 2 definitely lacks all the stuff that made the first film awesome and unforgettable.
take incredibles' 1 script, swap villain and villain's assistant genders and main superheroes role, wait 14 years to publish some lame ass movie even tho is the same script success incredibles 2
I disagree, I find the plot of the first movie far more compelling. If it was just a vague copy of the first, it would be recognized as such. I think it in fact falls short of what the first movie accomplished. Still a pretty decent film, but just not on the same level.
Yeah, exactly! Nithing is wrong with kids movies that are not that great for adults, but the kids movies who work just as well if you're older are what you should aim for. Children live if the movies they watch are deep and introduce them to mature themes (in a way that fits their age if course, like Elastigirl fearing Bob is cheating), and the shallow mivies will just be forgotten once their older
Hey fun fact this movie is called Incredibles 2 and the word “the” isn’t said through the entire movie. Not sure why that is but they did it anyway lol...
The plot is so under cooked Like its great yes it tastes nice but I can only enjoy the surface of it because the inside is so raw it's not edible and so under developed that you just sorta leave on the side and don't touch it.
I'm glad you said it. It was so average it was a little heartbreaking. The Incredibles is one of my favourite movies and this one being so...average...retrospectively puts a damper on the first one :(
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Before anyone else comments "Of course you didn't like it, you're an adult judging a movie made for kids", let me just say that there's this one movie that was made for kids, and I still consider it excellent, even as an adult. It's called "The Incredibles"
Wow, that movie sounds Incredible, I plan on watching it now
Schaffrillas Productions IM SO GLAD SOMEONE ELSE FEELS THE SAME WAY I DO ABOUT THIS MOVIE!!
Who the fuck would say that? You are telling me that people are getting mad at for judging a sequel to a movie that was out before modern kids were even born yet? This movie was clearly meant partly for adults considering they even had a behind the scenes thing before it started that said "we are sorry we made you wait for 14 years".
And that is completely ignoring the fact that "its for kids" is not a valid argument for something to be bad. And I despise that mindset.
Schaffrillas Productions also the main plot is exactly the same as the previous movie
Most kids who watched the first Incredibles when it came out are teenagers or adults
The Incredibles: Villian makes fun of monologuing cliché
Incredible 2 Villian: monologues
The Incredibles: Am I a joke to you?
LOL, good one!!! The Incredibles waS great enough to be either its own standalone movie because Incredibles 2 turned its own franchise into Sonic the Hedgehog where then, the main characters used to make fun of cliches, but recently, things became cliches themselves.
Incredibles 2: Yes
"You sly dog. You almost had me monologuing."
@@lunamaster123
*"You caught me monologuing I can't (chuckles) believe it."*
And NOBODY IN THE MOVIE MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT IT!!
Can we talk about how this movie is called "Incredibles 2" and not "THE Incredibles 2"?
Dommino Dog I JUST REALIZED THAT WTF
I’m dying inside
CURSED
Probably because Bob’s boss, Dash’s teacher, and Bon Voyage aren’t in it, which are 3 characters that gave the first movie a lot of personality, so Incredibles 2 is an indirect semi-sequel.
Fairoa wait what, it's really called Incredibles 2? Fuck
"You sly dog, you got me monologing."
For that line alone syndrome became s tier villain.
@@PlayerN101 you sly dog, you got me dying at 4:30am when I'm supposed to be asleep
Yes!
"You married elastigirl.. AND GOT BUSAYY."
Strawberry Orphan or sitter
that made me laugh cuz i forgot that line
“The Screenslaver is still out there”
Yeah. Still is the UNDERMINER. Who got away in the FIRST SCENE
The whole movie is about perception and you still don't realise no one complains about the underminer getting away because no one else saw it.
@@kronome No one else saw it? I'm pretty sure the whole citty saw him, buddy.
@@gaboogarciaav Everyone saw the superheroes. They didn't see the underminer escape, did they? They didn't see the fight. The fight took place inside the underminer's drill. Not outside. *No one saw it.*
@@kronome Everyone saw him before when he destroyed half of the parking, saw his appearance and how his giant drill destroyed the city bank. I'm sure that both the press and the police had an explanation for the tremendous destruction of the city, which didn't go unnoticed.
@@kronome Like irl, a case like that has to give information about what happened and how it all ended. People deserve an explanation for something like that, especially in a world with superheroes.
I’ve never wanted a movie to be delayed by another year. I just wanna quote “Too late! 15 years too late.”
its like Cuphead, but disappointing
KrazyKyle1024 Games why compare a movie to a video game?
@@kumikamii Cuphead kept getting delayed, but people were still excited for its release. And when it was released, people were blown away by how great it was. So I was comparing them for the concept, not for a direct comparison
KrazyKyle1024 Games oooooooooh...yeah I do agree cuphead is phenomenal..I rage at it big time
@@kumikamii I used to, but now I have beaten every boss on expert and a ranked everyone. I know s rank would be a nightmare, so I'm not gonna bother
This whole ordeal would have been avoided if the dad put the phones in the safe room
"I DISAGREE STRONGLY"
"THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE"
“EKATSIM SIH SAW TAHT”
I wish I could like your post, but it already has 420 likes.
Rose Doesn't Know understandable
You missed a great opportunity to say "The Incredibles 2 is a great movie and sequel" and then play the teacher from the original movie yelling "*I THINK NOT!*"
Don't 'Bernie', me.
Andy B, this little rat is guilty
@Pastelle._.Colours good use of that quote
David Moore that last line really ruined that insult
@Anonymous Your letting him go again, HE'S GUILTY, *YOU CAN SEE THE LOOK ON HIS SMUG LITTLE, GUILTY I SAY GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY, DOH*
They literally named the villain Evelyn Dever...Evil Endeavor
FOURTEEN YEARS I WAITED FOR THIS SEQUEL PIXAR AND YOU GIVE ME THIS
it’s like the cruella de vil situation over again
except 101 dalmatians wasn’t anticipated but you get what i’m saying
What is she, a Phoenix Wright villain?
Well endeavor isn't exactly a great guy
so you dont like the movies cuz of a name?wierd
THISSSSS????
I was disappointed that Dash didn’t get a arc like the other members of the family.
Yeah he did,
He wanted help with his homework....
He does his own homework now. The perfect character arc.
He didn't really need one in my humble opinion.
Dash was reduced to a one dimensional psychopathic "comedy relief" character who only knows how to shout his lines, like when he desperately attempted, several times, to fire missiles from his dad's car into innocent civilians. Hilarious.
Prolly cuz the actor changed
The biggest thing that bothered me personally, is that they NEVER bring up the fact that literally almost all the old generation of heroes were genocided. Like, there was even a character in the MOVIE obsessed with the classic hearoes, but no mention of their deaths, THE HEROES THAT DIED WERE EVEN IN THE MOVIE IN A FLASHBACK. It makes me so upset, and honestly feels like a huge middle finger to the previous movie.
Yeah I gotta be honest, that part coming to light would be a better argument for legalizing supers as well, since their isolation was part of what let Syndrome kill as many as he did.
So real. They didn't connect to the events of the first film at all hardly.
I became incredibly angry over the major plot hole that is BRICK. Like, Mr. Incredible in the glory days was like All Might, the number one hero. And then this closeted hero Brick is introduced, and when they 1v1, Brick shows strength that FAR surpasses Mr. Dad. And as far as I know, Mr. Dad has no other powers, so why is he such a big hero? Why wasn't Brick the All Might of this universe??? WHY WAS BRICK A WANNABE
Pixar wasn't owned by Disney back when Incredibles came out, Disney wouldn't have ever let Syndrome waste all the Supers in the first movie if they had executive control, that's why it never gets mentioned.
ReDiculous22
@ everyone in this thread, go check out the deleted scenes for this movie! theres actually a big scene where they address everyone being dead because of syndrome and mr incredible gives a big speech about it in front of a buncha mourning people, basically a mass funeral of some sort. it does seem a bit out of place for the tone of the final movie but i agree it wouldve been nicer if they’d addressed it in some sort of way, even if small.
Fun fact: I was hyping up for both Incredibles 2 and Ralph Breaks the Internet and I was cynical towards Spider-Verse because its studio made The Emoji Movie. But both of them ended up disappointing me and Spider-Verse subverted my expectations in the best and outstanding way.
Most of the new superheroes sucked, especially the Fortnite Guy and the "Chad" Clopin. "Chad" Clopin's character desing is so laughably bad.
It’s a sign that other studios are starting to make artistic movies and Disney has lost their artistic touch
The New Heroes Look like Flavors of Ice Cream
who's these two? Fortnite guy and chad clopin
@@mateorios1636 They look like Marvel Hero Characters only the SJWs would like.
@@ドーブルX75 Until they don't because the hive mind got an update
One thing that really disappointed me was . . . WHERE WAS BOMB VOYAGE!?!?
Drojanx We’ll have to wait for another 15 years, I guess.
AH MONSIEUR INCROYABLE
JackWolf and incrediboy
still in jail, probably
@@Sito1479 And still most likely never see him or the underminer again.
The airplane missile chase scene in the first one was better than even the climax of the second one. Seriously the scene still gives me goosebumps and raises my blood pressure to this day. Just my opinion.
Are you sure? Seemed more like a fact than an opinion.
It's because of the stakes in that scene. We see a mother panicking because that missile might just be the end of both her and her two children, and it's creeping ever closer. It basically showcases Helen's maternal instincts under intense fearful pressure.
Also, the climax of the second movie is just a boat going a little bit too fast. The climax of the first one was a giant city-destroying unstoppable robot that Syndrome no longer had control over. There was a whole lot more at stake. The death of a couple supers and maybe a few beach-goers isn't nearly on the same level. The fact that it may or may not result in Supers becoming illegal again is also way too vague and uncertain to actually be a threat, and it basically tries to tell the audience that the public will turn on literally every super because of the actions of a few, which is quite unrealistic.
Red Floyd “because of the actions of the few”
Damn. If only politics was that easy.
As a mom, that scene is SCARIER now than it was when I was a kid, and I didn't think that was possible. I really finished it recently for the first time in years and thought "Am I holding my breath like I don't know what happens???" lol
Evelyn Logic:
I'm going to help the good guys defeat the bad guy so the good guys can come out of hiding... and I'm the bad guy... and I don't want the good guys to come out of hiding... why am I helping them?
Carlos Plata So once they are out of hiding, I can turn them evil. People starting to believe in supers just to get their rug pulled from under them will make them hate supers more than if the supers just were evil to begin with.
Evelyn Logic:
My plan is to make Supers illegal. So Imma bring one out of retirement, renounce their illegal status, just to enslave other Supers, showing how they're a threat, thus the public clamouring to make em illegal!
Even though they had already been illegal for years at that point...
Made she thought Supers being legalized was inevitable. Someone would’ve done it eventually, so she did it first so she could screw them over.
@@Sorakeyblademaster37 Huh... Good point. Now I feel dumb for not thinking of that.
It's not hard to get lmao
*MATH IS MATH*
the most iconic line ever.
@Geek Lord *inhales*
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@@panconquesoxd1291 You are a bold one!
Most iconic meme ever😂
FLOOR IS FLOOR
The Toy Story
Critics: Paper Mario The Origami King Has a frustrating ring puzzle for combat.
When Some people want to enjoy this new Paper Mario game for what it is: *COMBAT IS COMBAT!!*
I HATE how they basically used the same plot form the first "Ohhh come work for me ill make you look good! Here's a new suit! HAHA JK IM EVIL!!!
wasnt that the point
@@motixor no
Also the main problem was THE EXACT SAME THING.
Inga Shadows syndrome wanted everyone to be super Evelyn wanted to get rid of all supers
@Andrew Brindley Also Syndrome was just objectively more entertaining to watch. I was getting into the screen slaver during that apartment fight. Afterwards, it was all downhill.
They never addressed what happened to the underminer... he got away.
Autumn Equinox
Don’t worry! We’ll find him!
EVENTUALLY!
@Marky Mark A somewhat average video game, to be honest.
Wait 14 years for The Incredibles 3
@@RedFloyd469
YOU SAID WHAT?!
@@zaujimaveinformacie4008 bro, I loved this game when I was younger ;(... But I also enjoyed the cars and the avatar games so Idk
I really didn't like that villain backstory. It felt so lazy and generic, it's like the most basic and cliche "tragic villain backstory" you could come up with.
It's the typical dead parents trope, but now the vilain has it. Whoa, so original!
Screenslaver's backstory was one of the primary reasons why this film fell flat for me. Forget just lazy and generic, it wasn't even logical. I had my fingers crossed the whole third act hoping a character would tell Screenslaver how stupid and misplaced her anger is. Also was really hoping her brother would tell her that he wished she had died instead of their parents but I guess that's too dark lol
I’m glad I’m not the only one who HATED the designs of the new supers. They didn’t even look human. It was way too comical and jarring
I think that Brad Bird was trying to include some more weird designs because he thought it would fit in this crazy world of superheroes. Honestly I didn't mind the designs
I want to know how in the world they keep their identity secret when they're normal civilians. I wasn't around back then, but I'm pretty sure most people in the 1960s didn't have bright blue hair.
@@maroonggirl I thought the movie took place in the early 2000s? I thought the 19s was when Helene and Bob were younger and when Supers were outlawed; it's been awhile so I'm probably wrong.
They looked so gross to me. You can clearly tell that these were the first final sketches for their side character ideas, and they just rolled with them. I genuinely wanted to throw up watching them- especially the old frog guy.
@@danmakes2497 It's in the 70s or 80s. I'm not sure which year, but on the newspaper in the first one, when Bob reads about Gazerbeam being missing (or his normal day persona, rather), there is a date from that time. Additionally, there is room to speculate that Bob fought in WW2. The era also explains why Bob could be sued, with different types of legal immunity for state actors only being created in the 70s or 80s, if I remember right. This also fits with the cars and with Television being pretty new, being the official reasoning behind Screenslavers actions. It even fits with the math reforms performed to compete with the Soviets, explaining the "Math is Math" scene. It also explains the look of the buildings of that company of the brother of Screenslaver.
How the hell is mr incredible Able to lift an entire train but not able to bend a hollow pipe
Plot nerfing.
You mean when he did it in the first movie? That wasn’t lifting, that was stopping.
@@floralnightgowns Oh. Fair enough.
A few xtrain cars hooked up to a pulley aren't the same as "a whole train."
The Master Of Comedy In fact he uses trains as exercise equipment.
I just don't understand how Helen looks younger yet thiccer 15 years later
Edit: I realize no time has passed in the movie, I meant that she looks *younger* and *thiccer* somehow, despite being the same age. It's been 15 years since the last movie, and Bob clearly looks like he's older.
MQ They perfected the THICC for the true fans. 🙏🏾
With the power of modern technology, we can make her better, thiccer,
The film takes place directly after the events of the first film, so there's no need to modify her body.
It hasn’t been 14 years in their world
it hasn’t been 15 years , Incredibles 2 picked up right after the first one.
The issues:
1. Pixar didn’t make Fronzone ask for his super suit
2. Edna didn’t say Edna darling.
Honestly this could have redeemed some of the movie for me.
I disagree. It would mean the writers would just re-use jokes because of internet popularity. It's the worst thing you can do for humor, aka, repeating it because of the memes, despite the fact that memes are themselves boring repetitions of the same joke.
Frozone already had his super suit because he asked for it in the first movie
Also to Red Floyd R/Wooosh
Edna did say darling...
They actually did. There's a deleted scene where Frozone battles his wife for control of his super suit, and it's wicked funny! I have no idea how all of the great ideas from the deleted scenes never made it into the movie, and I'm shocked that the final cut ended up so unbelievably average.
That was their
mistake!
I think I finally realized what bothers me about this movie.
TLDR: The 2nd movie discontinues the 1st's main themes of being stronger together by separating Elastigirl from her family for the majority of the film.
LONG explaination below.
In the first movie, Mr. Incredible/Bob has this whole complex about needing to do everything himself. He wants to keep his family safe, he doesn't want Helen to know he lost his job, so he secretly leaves on the mission.
When Elastigirl/Helen finds out what's really happening, she immediately sets out, leaving her kids behind - to keep them safe. Obviously, Violet and Dash sneak onto the plane anyway.
During his time on the island Mr. Incredible realizes he can't do everything alone, that he needs his family's support. And from the moment they all meet up, they continue to fight together through the climax with Syndrome.
Hell, even the final shot of the movie has them prepared to fight the Underminer.....TOGETHER. Cool, right?
So to have a 2nd movie where Elastigirl leaves her family behind to do her own mission just feels so....pointless. Why not have them all set out on a mission together? If they wanted to spotlight Elastigirl, they could've gotten separated or something, in a way that doesn't diregard the entire 1st movie. Like sure, they all do come together at the end, but I wanted to see more of that throughout the film.
FWIW I enjoyed the 2nd. It's a good movie, just not a good sequal.
Anyway, that's my deal. If anyone has thoughts feel free to share.
I completely agree. This is summed up in the scene from the first movie “I’m not strong enough”. I felt the same way. This movie should’ve been about them all being superheroes throughout the entire movie. I read someone’s story idea somewhere a year before this movie came out that had all the characters aged and Jack Jack was the villain. I like that better as an idea than the movie we got.
It is an okay/good superhero movie, but nowhere close to the masterpiece of superhero parody the first movie was, and is worse for being a sequel
Also the fact that so many supers were killed is barely aknowleged by the film and doesn't take what happened in account at all
@@elisabettacarraro8184 yeah, they don't even acknowledge that almost a hundred supers were killed
@@ntfoperative9432how were the supers killed?
Dash deserved better. He had like such a small part in the film
YES. He had a couple iconic scenes in the first one and absolutely nothing in the sequel
I expected Dash to be a little more mature. It's like he went backwards a little.
Nah fuck Dash, worst part of the movie.
So did violet. Oh my god her arc was awful
Fiona Zhelezko
IKR! He was my fav in the first one
I waited 14 years for a ‘Honey where’s my super suit?’
I am dissapoint.
we are very disappoint.
That would have been good but what we got was fine
Should have waited another year. If only to do the “15 years too late” joke from the first movie XD
@D.M i am very dissapoint in you
hi dissapoint,
I'm dad
My dad and I were able to predict the villain like as soon as they were introduced in the movie theater lol
She’s just saying that the villain was predictable as heck
@DrTheKay Sarcasm check - failed.
Kashim • pretty much a pointless use of sarcasm
ez af
You and your dad should be making movies.
A thing that have buggered me is: How the fuck did the technology just made a jump of 14 years in one day?
Confescating and studying Syndromes tech probably.
In only 3 months?!
@Palix That's not even a proper sentence so I don't know what the hell you're trying to say.
@@MidnightMuffin im not native English so please forgive me some errors
@@palix2417 That's okay. Just explain what you originally meant.
The villain reminded me of Bernard’s girlfriend from megamind
SAME, I figured out halfway through the movie who she reminded me of (Roxanne) and I had to hold in a burst of laughter during a quiet moment
I'm getting 5th grade flashbacks..
And not the good kind..
Evelyn reminds me of Armi Millare, a female vocalist from Up Dharma Down 😂😂😂
@@Rainygirl3100 A boring, older edgy version of Roxanne
@@Death_Korps_Officer Like if Roxanne smoked weed
Thank you! Finally someone mentioned the other super heroes horrible character designs. They were such a downgrade from the other supers from the first Incredibles.
Dwight K. Schrute They're such a downgrade because they didn't have Edna Mode as their supersuit designer.
Tom Kavanagh G A R B A C C I
ELASTAGIRL’S SUIT IS BY GARBACCI?!?
*_EXPLAIN YOURSELF_*
The formerly rejected superheroes from Incredibles 2 have probably had themselves as poorly trained super suit designers of their own suits.
I agree, but too be fair, these were supers that had to come to be during the ban. There was no real chance for them to develop. Downgrade because they were in their infancy.
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica
Tbh the way they handled Violet was even more frustrating than what they did to Dash. During The Incredibles, she had such an amazing arc of finding her own voice and valuing family, and she played the part of the emo teen so well!
Then, in the sequel, she looked more like a whiny kid than the badass teenager that had been such an icon and inspiration to me. “OMG, my crush doesn’t remember me. I hate my life.” Ugh. They basically erased all the progress from the first movie.
LOL what a shitty sequel
Exactly like what happened when broke
This was my biggest problem with the movie. They retconned the character arcs from the first movie. Walked out of the movie halfway through I was so frustrated.
After she stops the train, and the screen says "welcome back, Elastigirl - Screenslaver" her eyes widen like she recognizes the name, at least that's what I thought it meant at first. I was really excited that this would be some recurring villain that Elastigirl had fought in the past, someone who had a cat and mouse game with her but disappeared when she went into hiding because there was no point without her, and came back after seeing her fight Syndrome's robot and the Underminer on the news. It was super disappointing to get a lame twist villain instead, I think that would have been such a cool plot! A villain from her past to compliment Syndrome, who had started out as Mr. Incredibles biggest fan and turned evil when he was shunned by him.
When Bob is surprised that she used to have an Elasticycle, she says "there's a lot you don't know about me, eh, you didn't miss much," but they just never build on that in the movie?? I really thought we'd get a more Elastigirl centered plot, and we did, but the whole time she was just fighting someone who was letting her win and pretending to be her friend the whole time just for a twist betrayal.
Also the moment she pulls off the pizza guys mask and he's acting all confused and not knowing what's going on, like the conductor on the train and everyone else who'd been hypnotized, she would have immediately pieced together that this young 20 year old dude wasn't the screenslaver and was just being controlled like everyone else.
YOOO THIS WOULDVE BEEN A BETTER MOVIE!!
Woah, Screenslaver being an old enemy of Elastigirl sounds immediately so much better! And it definitively felt weird, how much in the beginning the movie kinda promises to build up, but then none of it ever really happens... I was also really disappointed when she didn't connect the dots with the pizza guy, you'd think from all the previous scenes that she'd be smart enough to realize that.
When it said “welcome back elastigirl” I figured out it was either the brother or the sister.
Yo can you be a director or something
The fact that she didn't immediately realize the pizza guy was innocent almost made me turn the movie off right then and there.
''an improvement over the first is the animation''
As much as I like the elastagirl sequence, I will put dash running scene from the 1st pitted against any scene on this one
the dash running scene was iconic
Even the fight against the robot is the first movie was amazing, a very good action scene (even if the city seems empty).
Jack jack and edna pretty much stole the show.
No wonder when I saw trailers for the movie they most times showed those two the most.
@@teh_supar_hackr 👍
There should have been an action sequence at Edna's mansion.
@@SirBlackReeds There should have been
That was kind of the problem. Too much of him not enough of the rest
Sad fact: most of the people who worked on this died like the voice actor for mirage, and rick dicker have died before the sequal rip :'(
God dangit. That's really tragic to hear.
I never knew that. Thanks for the info! If you're a fan of the franchise, juice the content as much as possible to your memory!
rick
dicker
Oh ..oh..god ..💔💔
Disney: Less people to pay STONKS
Don’t forget how Violet literally sounds older than her mom lol
Hot take: They both sound like Boomers.
@@kieranstark7213
Well, technically, Violet IS a boomer, since Incredibles takes place in 1962 and she's fourteen.
Honestly, since it does take place in the early 1960s, all The Incredibles (duology or original) children are boomers.
Even tho I hated how Violet was potrayed, I do appreciate Vowell making her sound more mature, she sounded like she was growing. T. Nelson & Hunter however, made their characters sound like grandparents!
@@jalslair1229 that's what happens when craig t nelson goes from 60 to 75.
Finally, someone says that the underminer gets almost zero screen time
Because that is a fact.
Yeah, he was in the movie for like 2 minutes.
Also Mr incredible should not be having difficulty fighting a guy who is only using weird jackhammer fists
@@firefiy8789 we are talking about a guy WHO fought an 15 m over 2000 ton robot WHO killed dozens of supers and the same guy can't beat a guy with jackhammers now that's an low ball
@@michadrzymaa2206
Or even move a bunch of crushed pipes out of the way.
Personally I wished that they had used the 14 years of space between movies to their advantage! Like actually age the characters within that time gap! Seeing the kids grown up and what their world has become would be AWESOME! Maybe some flashbacks perhaps to when Jack Jack finds his powers or something, but that would have been so much cooler and entertaining to me.
Brad bird stated that he didn’t want to jump forward in time because it would either remove or drastically change the family aspect, which is what the whole franchise is about. I get where you’re coming from, it just wouldn’t work as good as you think it is in pen and paper. My main problem with the film is that it played too safe and remained in the shadow of the first film. It lacked a lot of complex emotion, and that’s a big thing that made me love the first movie so much. The incredibles 11/10, Incredibles 2 8.5/10
yeah but the dynamic of the superhero family wouldn't be the same, but it would still be cool
@@imasparagoose4451 Maybe jumping forward 14 years would have been too long, but a five-seven year jump? Violet about to leave for college, Dash now in high school, Jack-Jack an elementary schooler who can now have an actual personality? Or even a two year skip, maybe with heroics already legalized as the first movie implied. You wouldn't have to throw out the family dynamics, but they would shift and change... y' know growth.
Honestly, it sounds like Brad Bird was too lazy (or lacked the imagination) to picture a family growing over time. A family doesn't stop being a family because the kids get older.
I feel like flashbacks in most movies are just cheap ways to move the plot forward. BUT I think Pixar knows how to use flashbacks really well to make us emphasize with the characters and love them even more (Jesse's flashback in Toy Story 2 is a great example)
@@StarryEyed0590 5 to 7 years is still long as hell by then lmao, the family dynamic would’ve definitely shifted substantially even by now
The best they could do is 3 years or less
I did like this movie, but I was a bit disappointed to see that the Incredibles only fought as a family at the beginning and at the very end of the film.
I thought that since they were a team by the end of the first film, that the sequel was going to be full of action sequences featuring the Incredibles fighting crime as a team.
But instead, as soon as the family moves to the motel, we get a scene of Helen saying that things haven't really changed, and that what happened on Syndrome's island won't carry over to their real lives. That the kids have to go back to pretending to be normal. It felt like we were going back to square one.
In The First Incredibles They Fought Together In The Last 20 Minutes So They Fought More In I2 But Not By A Long Shot
That's what I thought--like, *"IT'S THE FIRST ONE ALL OVER AGAIN!"*
Well change needs time
I'm the one man on earth who never wanted a second _Incredibles._ I LOVED the first movie, and was thoroughly convinced that Pixar would blemish its good name with an inferior sequel.
I was right. I hate it when I'm right.
I share your opinion. I always said about the first movie: the end is not a cliffhanger, they don't need a second movie after the first is obviously complete by itself.
In my case, unfortunately I was wrong.
finding dory is a great sequel despite it being seen as unnecessary
Frozones wife was nowhere near as good as in the first mivie
Edit: 3 months later and I only just noticed that typo and it's staying in.
WHERE IS MY SUPER S U C C
You tell me where my suit is woman! We're talking about the greater good!
Josh Cohen was she even in this
...I honestly don't remember.
@Michael Hutchins Where you going ASAP?
This movie felt like a long version of what happens when animated films get tv spinoffs. Has all the same looks and characters yet couldn't be more lost from the original genius that was "The Incredibles."
The only good thing was Evelyn's brother because I thought he was hot, everything else was mediocre at best
Fixed Assets
I liked him, he seemed like a swell guy, if forgettable.
I’m twelve and I see people saying stuff like, “this movie was made for kids and that’s why you don’t like it.” I can confirm as a kid this movie is not good.
I am 24 years old and I loved it. But people have different tastes. It's fine to dislike it. You and me are not perfect representations of our demographic
Whenever I criticize movies in front of my mom, she gets so mad saying that it's a kids cartoon and I'm just mad it's not anime, but I'm the same person who sees the flaws in anime movies/shows. Help.
I mean, I liked it but have your opinion...
...or we could have a 12 year old on halo 3 insult battle
This is why I hate the "kids movie" term being used for almost every movie merely because kids just so happen to enjoy them. It became a cheap excuse to defend rather weak movies.
Yes! As a 13 year old, I cant say that the excuse that this was a "kids movie" is stupid. Its just an excuse to let this movie be bad. Its not a bad movie, but its not good either
I watched the whole ass movie and cannot remember one thing that happened in it
Math is math?
i remember that creepy ass girl that's about it
@@flyingfish2566 what?? What creepy girl?????
uh the only thing i remember was violet spiting out water from her nose
@@drawnwithlove3499 the one with the sign about screen slaver
Right from the beginning I knew who the villain was. Geez
Scott Larson So did i. When they entered the building i was thinking “someones the villain” and i saw the sister “Yep... That’s the screenslaver” and although the movie wasn’t bad. It wasn’t that good.
I did too the villain also wasnt good as the first, actually I think I'm going to watch the first!
They introduced and designed her horribly. I mean, her name is Evelyn Deaver. Evil endeavor. Who the heck approved of that? What's the point of having a surprise villain if you literally name her evil. Gah it's frustrating!
@Luigi Marinus Vlogs Yes.
I get why her name is screenslaver and that it’s a play on words, but the more I see it and hear it the dumber it sounds.
Honestly, Incredibles 2 is fine as a standalone movie, but once you start comparing it to the original film (the villain being far better in 1 vs. 2) I2 is kinda disappointing.
The villain in the 1st movie is definitely better, the villain is stupidly easy to point out and her motivation makes no fucking sense
that's how sequels usually are
That’s actually a perfect description for it
Triangle_Pants ikr the sequel is almost never as good as the original when it comes to films
*C A R S 2*
I completely agree. Honestly, syndrome was a better villain, he had a more personal connection with the heroes themselves, his plan was better thought out. In incredibles 2, the villain was not planned out and had so many holes in their scheme. It was so predictable that my friend guessed the identity of the villain before the character was even introduced. (Slight spoiler ahead) he said “so I looked at the names of all characters in the film, this guy has a yet to be named or seen sister, it’s probably her”
Why am I the ONLY ONE who is upset that they found out ab Jack Jack's powers at the end of the first one but there was still like a whole subplot about finding out Jack Jack has powers in THIS movie??
Because in the first movie they actually don't discover that Jack Jack has powers. When he is fighting Syndrome, Elastigirl says something like "What's happening?" letting you know that they can't understand what is happening from that distance.
@@federico6690 The movie actually expected to believe the family was stupid enough to not know jack jack had powers! 1. The voice mails carrie sent only refer to a "replacement" at the final mail. 2. Decker had to know something from someone that the baby had powers to interrogate carrie! 3. Bob could listen clearly to syndrome when he said "I will get your son eventually!" & Also, why would jack-jack wait 3 damn months to show his powers?
@@jalslair1229 There was no Mozart played in the Parr household after Kari left. This made it less likely that Jack-jack needed to use powers. Bob did not necessarily hear Syndrome. Throwing the car at a dangerous murderer who just tried to take your son does not need further prompting. The voicemails were vague and did not necessarily demand that the family (who had a lot on their minds and were already under the impression that Jackjack had no powers) investigate Jackjack's "Special needs" which may or may not exist. Kari isn't in Helen's mind a reliable narrator.
@@michaelmccarty1327 in reason 3, I bring it up, cause people use it to back up how "they couldn't see or hear!" And the boom comics were more thoughtful on jack-jack's powers.
@@jalslair1229 What evidence is there to support that Bob heard anything Syndrome said? We the audience can hear it, but Bob did not need any further reason to throw a car at Syndrome
3:49 made me laugh way harder than it should’ve.
He's totally right though lol
@@Rainygirl3100 yeah
3:50 fortnite is the vomit
XD
Lugia 06 fortnite good Minecraft good gimme redit gold
I thought I didn't like this movie cuz I was a kid when I watched the first one, but the sequel REALLY lacked everything that made the first one great. There was genuine danger and suspense in the fist one; the Jet scene, the "I could snap her like a toothpick" scene, the KRONOS scene. There was mystery and really decent character development. The super powers were great; Dash running on water and taking out the baddies on hover crafts was soooo dope. They really watered down I2, it REALLY felt like a kids movie, just goody humor and character models and a shallow plot that kids could understand. I could watch the first incredibles 1000 times and locations very it every time, I probs won't watch the sequel again.
I obsessed over the Incredibles, it was the only movie I wanted to watch when I went to my grandma's house. I swear I memorized whole pieces of dialogue from the movie and my grandma was tired of watching it over and over😂
jacesaces15 plus, like the video mentioned, THEY WASTED THE UNDERMINER PLOT. Over a DECADE WITH A VIDEOGAME OUTLINING AN ENTIRE STORYLINE WITH HIM AND ALL WE GET IS A CRAPPY EXPOSITION
At least elastigirl was thicc
YASS!
*E X T R A T H I C C*
I wanna make a "Chad" joke. But I am resisting the impulse.
There is that
Arunima Tiwari begone incel!
WAIT INCREDIBLES 2 RELEASED 2 YEARS AGO?! HOLY SHIT
Chiaki Nanami is the new Trollface?
But to answer your question yes.
Now it's 3 years
HOW THE FUCK
I barely remember anything from it
Now it’s been 4 years… next year it will be 5.
One thing that really irked me was the lack of Edna....she had roughly the same amount of screentime that she had in the first movie if not a bit less when she's clearly a fan favorite.
I think it was a good amount of Edna, but what was missing was Edna's impact. She utterly controls the conversation in the first movie,masterfully getting Bob and Ellen to allow her to show off her superhero suit making skills. Yeah she kind of did that for a second when agreeing to babysit Jack Jack, but Bob was so sleep deprived at the moment, I feel like anyone could have done that.
no too much edna would be bad they need to use her perfectly for her to be great not she just becomes an okay character
Quality over quantity
Do we not remember cars 2? Mator was a fan favourite... look where that lead.
Ellie Miller
What happened to Mator? What’s wrong with him!
I agree. The first one was much better in story, plot, exposition, and character development. I was honestly disappointed by the second one after so much hype and build up.
Personally, I really liked this movie, but I will say that it was painfully obvious that one of the Deavor siblings was gonna turn out to be the Screenslaver. I think that Disney and Pixar really have to stop doing these "twist villains" and just give us a regular villain for once.
The twist was that he wasn't the villain. The twist was super predictable, kinda cheesy, but I really liked the interactions afterwards between the two siblings. He didn't go along with her, he didn't change her heart via the power of love. She was stopped by the power of getting punched in the face if I recall correctly.
Personally I don't usually mind twist villains but when Disney and Pixar does it too often with their animated movies, it gets old pretty fast.
Evlyn deavor.... Evl yndeavor....Evil Endeavor.... Think about it.
Yeah, that's the only thing I don't like about the movie. I'm happy they revealed it in the second act though.
Shitty modern disney can't help it, they keep ruining potentially good movies with that garbage trope.
Don't worry, Toy Story 4 will have a twist villain as well, despite the fact it had done twice already.
Best part of the movie for me was when Bob got frustrated over Dash's math homework because that's exactly what my dad did when I was in school. Like almost exactly word for word. I liked how Bob was trying to understand how to be a better father during the movie as well. Otherwise the movie was alright. It had good moments and... odd/bad moments but I enjoyed it for the most part.
Math is Math
Math is Math
MATH IS MATH!
I swear Bob's 'being a better dad arc' was the only good part of the movie that actually made me feel something.
I wish it was written more entertainingly but it overshadowed by the action plot that wasn't even very good (which is ironic bc Brad Bird's films were really more about emotions than action).
@@drawnwithlove3499 same for me
However frozone was given more screen time. Outdoing all of your complaints and giving this movie a perfect 10/10
wylinder are you saying this movie is in the level as the first incredibles?
no, I am saying that because of this one fact incredibles two is far superior to the original.
wylinder in my opinion the main reason i thought this movie was meh was the villian. If the the villain had a better backstory and a better motivation the movie would be a solid A
juanto tree in all seriousness the main villain should have been someone else honestly. Or if they ended the movie with showing that the villain was wearing contact lenses that had a screen and it was like “ooooo wait another 14 years to find out what happens. Trust me guys this is gona be amazing”
wylinder that sounds better than what we got lol
5:29
Shows this movie is not as good as the first one, and it doesn’t have the teacher.
*COINCEDENCE?*
*I THINK NOT!*
Bernie I-
NorthernStal The famously unknown penguin *DONT’T YOU BERNIE ME! THIS LITTLE *** IS GUILTY!!!*
@@shade08538 GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY
@@Anna-tk7ui *YOU CAN SEE IT ON HIS SMUG LITTLE FACE HE'S GUILTY!*
@@DeathDealer_1021 *GUILTY I SAY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY--*
I expected with all the praise this movie is getting there would be people out there who would disagree , I'm still going to watch it for myself though
Nathaniel Foga it's not as awesome as the first one, but still pretty good
Better than the first maybe???
Brandi Rubbernuts okay let’s not take it that far
Did you see it yet? If so; how did you find it?
You really need to use proper grammar, i had no idea what you were saying for a minute
The screenslaver part was so well animated, my grandfather started breakdancing!
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
don't leave him out breakdance with him too!
Bruhh...
BAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
I just want to add that I absolutely hated the new heroes shown later on in the film, isn't this movie supposed to be set in the 60s? They dont feel like in the right time at all and it's really confusing. It feels like this movie just flashed forward by years and not a day like its supposed to be. To me it's not a good sequel but because the new character building/world building.
I know, the new heroes look like dorks and don't exactly resemble people like the first movie(except for Void I suppose). They don't fit within the world of The Incredibles, compare the side heroes from the original movie and the new one. The original heroes from the first movie were supposed to resemble humans more because when Mr. Incredible started all that legal trouble that made them go into hiding, they were supposed to blend in being described as "average citizens and average heroes" in hiding but I guarantee that if you saw Brick on the street using his real name and in citizen clothing and already saw him in his suit on T.V., you could totally tell it was him. The new heroes are very overexaggerated and stand-outtish.
@@dogwoodhillbilly ikr the only normal one at the gang is voyd
@@tendoukappa I mean her figure is normal but her outfit is a little to colorful. If they tweaked the outfit, she'd be perfect. The original outfits for the side characters usually had darker color schemes.
Even tho the new heroes suck
My favorite one has to be the vomit guy
Dude uses an stomachache problem as a weapon lmao
The problem was that these supers felt totally wasted in the long run. They would have had a lot of potential if they weren't used near entirely as Evelyn's mindslaves. Instead they were just used as more background characters with little to no development.
And yeah, their designs were way too fucking exagerrated. That does not belong in an Incredibles movie. Actions and personalities are exagerrated but physical appearances are not.
I like it but not amazing
Twin Kids couldn't have said it better myself
Couldn't have said better myse- Of crap someone else already said it.
Maniac From the Red Planet couldn’t have said “couldn’t have said it better myself” better myself
Don’t you say that it wasn’t... “incredible”?
*Da Bum Tsss* haha- kill me!
No...it WAS TOTALLY WICKED
Did anyone else feel that Evelyn looks almost exactly like Roxanne from Megamind?
I couldn't stop thinking of Megamind whenever she was on screen, it was driving me crazy.
My friend thought so
THATS ALL I COULD FUCKIN THINKA BOUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE MOVIE
yep
A Guy Named Crystal dude my brother told me that while watching the movie I thought we were the only ones 😂
Disney's making their movies too long and they need to STOP with the twist villains. They're so bad at it.
The new designs are shit, the setting is shit and it ignores the time period it is set in. The movie reduced the complex mom to the tired "feminist" archetype that Disney keeps using over and over. The voice actors sound exhausted and old 'cause they are.
This doesn't feel like an impassioned Brad Bird movie, it feels like a soulless modern Disney. It's such shame. The first movie still holds up and I'd argue it's even better as an adult. The sequel? It's hardly appealing to adults or children, despite their efforts to give it an adult edge.
Fuck this movie for making the first movie's ending pointless. Not aging the family was a stupid decision that made no sense. They clearly wanted it to be set in modern day, so why not make everyone older? What a waste of time and money.
"Tired feminist archetype"
Buddy, you won my like. I disagree though with them starting where they left of because i believe more stories can be told at their current age than skipping ahead and making the older characters retired. I feel it would remove some of the dynamics. But i seriously agree that it made the first ending pointless. Especially after Tony gets his mind erased. That's putting Violet literally at square 0.
@@damotoneko1500 I actually groaned when it showed the start of the fight and the parents were refusing to let Dash and Violet help... I remember thinking "oh, great, they just destroyed all of the character development from the first movie and we are only 30 seconds in."
@@robertmartin8907 Good observation, dude.
Since we're alll on the topic. How would you guys change/improve the movie?
@@damotoneko1500
1. Main focus is not given exclusively to Elastagirl for the feminist propaganda. All characters are given focus and development just like the first one, and maybe with the A plot for her like it was for Mr. Incredible but not to such an obnoxious extent.
2. The children are treated with respect and not used as background decoration.
3. The setting of 1960's-ish with some scifi tech is maintained.
4. Totally different plot, no surprise villain, but still based around the idea of Supers finding a way to come out of hiding. Maybe have a plotline around super villains becoming more and more active due to the absence of supers and the government realizing it is safer and cheaper to let supers deal with them or something.
5. Or maybe just let a classic stand on its own and never make a new one because that's just derivative and stupid.
@@robertmartin8907 dude you replied to him 27 minutes ago. be patient. they could be busy.
I think they should've made a film about them before they married if they wanted to show Helen as (a more active) Elastigirl.
This seems just off.
Rees-Mogg for PM Ah so a prequel
Nah. If it is one thing I liked is that she regained activity.
TIFFANY PERSAUD In the first film she persisted on acting as a family, which in this film she doesn't.
It wouldn’t have been The Incredibles tho but just Elastigirl
Why she can’t be active in present day?
The cinematography was wonderful though.
Ryan Barr
i know, right? especially that scene where they’re at the motel pool and there’s blue and orange lighting on the characters.
That kind of makes me hate an animated movie, when they are perfect appearance-wise, but the story is annoyingly mediocre. Seems like a huge waste of time, money and very skilled artists. If kids don't care about the fact that the story is bad, why would they care about the animation?
I can still appreciate good animation without liking the story. The Thief and the Cobbler is an example of bad story but great animation.
@@dramawind I wouldn't say the story was mediocre, just not as good as it could have been, and honestly I see merit in watching some films purely for the technical aspects, not that I think a film with only good production values is good, story is key, but I wouldn't say the work of the animators is wasted on this film, something like Sherlock gnomes however...
YetAnotherHankHill
Wasn't that film kind of a mess because of creative differences?
I feel like it would’ve helped the movie if they just had the Screen Slaver as a persona used to boost ElastaGirls fame.
Like yeah it would’ve been equally predictable, but would’ve made more sense and could’ve led to a more morally gray conflict.
I agree. It would have been a lot better if Screenslaver was just a fake villain invented by Winston and Evelyn to make Elastigirl look good, rather than be an actual villain. Just like you said! It would have led to Elastigirl having to deal with a tough decision (keep going for the betterment of supers and her family, or stop because she'd probably think it was wrong). That would have been a good development for her character, as well as making the "villain" a lot better.
Don't get me wrong. I don't hate Screenslaver, and I actually think her motivations were more realistic than Syndrome's, but her character just wasn't handled well at all.
That's what I thought they were doing before the big reveal.
Would she go along with it? Would she end it all, sacrificing super's chances of being legal again, would the two just look for another super to fill in her shoes? If she went along with it, would she be found out, essentially making her look like the villian in the majority of people's eyes? Ooh sounds like an interesting wa to go (but ultimately i feel like the complaints of a "weak" villan would still be there or if it were to be too much in the grey area a complaint about there not really being any villians). Anyways, considering sequels are hard to improve on, I think they did a decent job of it.
You don't feel like this was a morally grey conflict?
Because she wasn't wrong, y'know. If someone steps in, and removes all of your conflicts for you, sheltering you from the struggles of life, it makes you weaker. She's fighting for a world where normal humans have autonomy; where they have to struggle, learn, grow, and overcome. Where people have to think their way out of trouble, and not just blow a rape whistle and hope someone hears it.
Damn you should have wrote this movie
I was watching this movie with my family in theaters, and half way through the movie my brother turned to me and said "I think it's Mark's sister." And I just agreed and we went over all of the clues of why it could be her and when it was revealed to be her we just turned to each other and my brother said "We called it" and I was just like "Yeah, pretty predictable."
LOL THAT CLIP FROM AVATAR
"DID JET JUST DIE"
LOL
Mike Williams II avatar last airbender is life. fuck korra.
Ebony Vortex Stars Wars Disney Trilogy = live action Korra
John Doe 🤮
"You know, it was really unclear."
@@Yimika777 I barely made it through the first season of korra (literally just watched through avatar the last airbender and started Korra this month because quarantine). I didn't even bother to start the second season of Korra. And I don't think I'm going to.
there was no “honey, where’s my supersuit” 0/10
Maybe WB makes and remake of this movie and adding Tom&Jerry to it.
Jan L. Rivera k.
Yeah I know right..
There was a not to it though. I appreciate the nod.
Paul Bedford true
A TH-camr ending a video without telling me to check out there other videos? What is this bizzarro world?
Kinda makes me want to subscribe and check out his other videos
That was his mistake.
@@mythhead2688 inception music starts
I did not like the new character designs. It didn’t fit in, all the supers before were normal looking humans. But the new character looks just felt too cartoony, almost like something from MHA.
Yeah but in MHA it made sense. This didn’t really have any explanation.
Please Bon and Helen look like normal looking humans? You must be kidding
@@freddienguyenn compared to other movies? Yes, they look rather normal in comparison
"This dude looked like he was ripped straight out of fornite I'm gonna vomit".. had me dieing xD
"Incredibles 2 is sub-parr"
Like.... Robert parr?
@@Larakinerd exactly
I can't not like that.😂
Pixar needs to cut it the fuck out with these last-second twist villains. It’s become so bland and predictable. Syndrome was such a great and memorable villain because he was revealed halfway through the movie and was actually given time to develop. Sure it was still a twist but it was done RIGHT.
...It wasn't a twist. She revealed herself as anti-super very soon after she was introduced. You were supposed to realize the villain's identity as soon as pizza guy starts monologueing. If you listen, it's the very same ideology she was pushing.
It was obvious from the top end.
Bill lupin yeah it was pretty obvious which one is the villain
It was a poorly introduced twist that was just too predictable. You didn't even need a proper motivation to figure it out, she had the means and opportunity, and EVERY SHOT they talk about the Screenslaver, you see her in the background trying not to be conspicuous. It was honestly hilarious seeing her act subtle.
Her name is literally Evelyn Deavor (evil endeavor), so I don't think it was supposed to be much of a twist.
“Did those people just die?”
Sokka: “You know it was really uncertain…”
I watched it and when it ended, I actually said:
“What the hell did I just watch?”
I read this comment and after reading it actually said:
“What is wrong with this pile of shit?”
I personally liked the movie. not as good as the first but still good. I do respect your opinion on it though
Dude, I liked the video and agreed with a few points. It seems that you just got upset at me for no reason
Jesus christ, chill. He doesn't have to argue his point in a youtube comment section just to justify why he liked the movie.
Shelltoast thank you
Emmanuel Mateo-Morales Found the neckbeard
The Nintendo Kid Oh but no man, he totally (*sarcasm*) has the objective high ground.
EDIT: Did that guy really just say that......?.....
Oh no.. you’ve criticized a highly approved movie. Do you understand what you have done?
"Gets flashbacks of watching people getting flamed for people reviewing Pixar's Inside out"
@@cliffspringer8084 when Pixar has flamethrowers for the occasion
Here, let's fix this villain.
Starting with the backstory, Evalyn and her brother should have had their parents killed by collateral damage caused by supers during a villain attack. Say, Bomb Voyage destroyed a train's rails many years ago, and the Incredibles couldn't catch it in time, and so their parents died because of it.
Now Evalyn and her brother treat grief different ways, where her brother ends up going into denial, pushing down his grief for years, but Evalyn tries not to outlaw supers, but to destroy the Icredibles' and Frozone's entire careers by becoming the Screenslaver, who does whatever they can to make the Incredibles look bad, which begins to ruin their lives as the movie goes on, but they have no idea why.
But as Evalyn starts to bond with Elastagirl, she starts to question her own motivation, since ruining Elastagirl's life becomes mor painful for Evalyn.
Finally, when the Screenslaver has them right where she wants them, before she's about to ruin their careers, she tells them about her grief, and what they did.
At that moment, her brother comes in, and they have a deep conversation about their grief, both of them opening up to one another, and she realizes what she's doing isn't the right thing to do. With Screenslaver's power and influence over the city, she stages a triumphant defeat to make the supers look good, and restore their status.
This way she has inner conflict, understandable motivation, *heavy* impact on the plot, and actual sympathetic qualities that make her a great villain.
👍👍👍
I don’t get why it was too hard for Pixar to come up with a strong villain even if it’s Evelyn Deavor of all antagonists (being proven by you to be perfectly capable of being a stronger character!!!!), other than Pixar, in mid-2018, happened to go from one of the most misogynistic businesses (that you’d think would be as great as most of its films) to a misandristic company, the way it handled main female characters by making them Mary Sues and Karens at the same time and call it “real female empowerment”. FU Disney!
that's some shit brad bird would've come up with if he wasn't forced to make his first draft, good job. I like this
U should’ve been hired as a writer
I'd say a 6/10 is pretty generous. This film was completely forgettable, in my opinion.
I would say he gave it a 6/10 as a joke, but he did state that he can't not say he likes Incredibles 2 despite his problems with it that got him to make this video. However, he did sound like the movie had more strong cons than strong pros to offer. Probably because it does, and with that said, I give it a 4/10.
5/10
I’d say 8/10 I thoroughly enjoyed it
@KrosionTide Monsters university was a seven to me
@KrosionTide I agree with cars two
Real question is...
WHERES MY SUPER SUIT!?
We're talking about the greater good!
WHERE IS MY *S O U P*
I was only disappointed in the Screenslaver...that's it. I'd give this a slightly higher rating, like 7/10 or 7.5/10, 8/10 at the highest, but I honestly thought it was still a good movie. not AS good as the original, but still overall not that bad.
my thoughts exactly. Not as good, but still enjoyable nonetheless!
Same hear
Movie was great
The short was great
The humor was great
The action was great.
The villain sucked
I thought the screenslaver himself was a badguy but no. Also The screenslavers voice wasn’t as cool in the trailers
Same, I agree.
Same, anyone else think Evelyn looks like Roxanne from Megamind?
Dylan Adams This is more so how I feel, though I still liked the video for being brave enough to say this film isn’t perfect. The villain fell flat, but other aspects were fantastic. Elastigirl’s action scenes, for example, were awesome. If I compare them to elongated-man or plastic-man (they have her powers) from DC comics, it’s obvious that elastigirl has the better fights.
This is my take on how they could’ve bettered the villain.
They could’ve just had the same concept that the Screenslaver’s father was a big superhero fanatic and invested his fortune on them. He installed the phone shit and whatever.
They could’ve had it that when they were being burgled, one of the super heroes did come in try to save them after the call. However, her mother called the cops just in case behind her husbands back.
This superhero tried defying the new ban against supers and when the cops came, he could’ve beaten the burglar himself but he ran to protect his identity and family.
Which resulted in the death of that guy. This could’ve helped perpetuate the idea that you shouldn’t trust your life in the hands of superheroes and that they shouldn’t be the crutch to your solutions.
Superheroes are nothing more than just a deluded concept. The same delusion that got her father killed and her mother to die from heartbreak. Wanting to keep superheroes in the dark forever.
My mom and I loved Incredibles 2, but i can understand why it wasn't someone's cup of tea. The villain is the weakest part of the film since I found her quite cliche, but I actually loved the action scenes and the parts with Jack Jack are definitely the best for me.
Also Pixar (Disney) is one of the most liberal companies in the world. I find it funny how they don't have enough minorities or women working as the lead(or at least that's what you said). Really shows the irony, lol.
MaddzDraws same for me.
MaddzDraws you’re the same bitch who thought he oscars were the Grammys
MaddzDraws tbh i thought the screen slaver wasnt the sister
_I_ wanted Syndrome limb-less in a Baxter Stockman robot as the villain, since their goals were so similar.
I honestly would have preferred if Evelyn died when she was sucked out of the jet. It'd give us another dark, jet-related Incredibles villain death like Syndrome and would have honestly been the most gripping thing about Evelyn.
Incredibles 2 is literally the same story as the first, except the mother gets a chance to be a hero again, and not the dad. They just switched roles, that's it.
The first inc edibles is a world without superheroes, and they made a big impact on destruction around them while fighting. The father of a family misses those days, and wishes he could be a hero again. The father get's a call one day, saying they need him to be a hero again. He answers the call, while the mother is taking care of the house and kids, jealous she can't be apart of the fighting. One minor difference, the mother doesn't know about the father doing his hero job, so it was clever how they played it on the mother as if the father had an affair.
Incredibles 2 is about superheroues, once again, hiding from the public, because they caused to much destruction around them when fighting. The Mother of the family misses those days and wishes she could be a hero again. The mother gets a call one day, saying she is needed to be a hero again. She answers the call while the father is at home, taking care of the house and kids, jealous he can''t be apart of the fight. One minor difference, the dad isn't kept in the dark about the mother being a hero again.
The new Disney/Pixar just doesn't get what made the original Pixar studios so amazing. They would rather retell the same stories, with a new CG update, than create original stories, like the original Pixar. OG pixar was more worried about telling new, interesting stories, without sequels. This was a sequel THAT DID NOT NEED TO HAPPEN, but the fans couldn't let the original be a masterpiece. Welcome to the downfall of "The Incredibles".
Babbleinc It’s a good movie.
@@psychicgoblin3781 Because the first movie was great the sequel had a solid base and good animation...nothing else.
Also, discount lame "female Lex Luthor" as the antagonist
Lmao the fans didnt cause this they had 14 years to make this and they gave us.... That. Next.
"Inc Edibles", besides that.. i agree.
You can’t insult the fans for wanting a sequel. Excuse us for hoping Pixar would make a good film.
Frozone's scenes saved it for me.
Jake David One problem though... We barely ever hear or see his wife.
@@scienceandmusic4295 she was fanservice
I think
Where's my super suit
Tewi The BunBun I uh..put it away
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Society: dialogue
Big brain Schaff: _TALKING BITS_
Who cares what kind of person directs the short, as long as it’s good or even great, and it is.
TheGreenMachine987 While I do agree that whatever race a person is shouldn't matter in stuff like this in the long run, I don't see any problems at all showing appreciation for diversity like this. Especially since he didn't say anything like "this short is good only cause the directors race and gender."
Yeah exactly, yet you get people actively trying to stop certain groups from getting access to making stuff. Not on the basis of their skill, but on the basis of race or gender.
Yeah, why focus on a person's achievements when you can point out what race they are? Isn't that sort of, I dunno, racist? Saying something is somehow worthy of praise just because it was made by a certain person? If you want to prevent racism, you don't point out someone based on the color of their skin.
well some people like to go to the circus
a few people like to laugh at the monkeys
the rest couldn't care either way
....Liberals just want to laugh at the monkeys (minorities), frankly it seems racist
Taylor Heath makes analogy comparing minorities to monkeys. Claims liberals are the racists. Wat?
"not making creative use of these powers"
The only hero powers in this movie that aren't utilized creatively are Mr. Incredible and Dash. Were you asleep during the scene when Elastigirl is riding the bike that can separate and move with her body?
MrZurata Agreed. I remember seeing elongated man and plastic man in comics, and though they share elasti-girl’s powers, their fight scenes were so much worse.
Yeah that was fucking amazing, I have to agree there. But it is disappointing that Dash and Mr. Incredible didn't really get to do anything in this move.
The first film was more centered on Bob, sure, but Elastigirl still got her badass plane scene and stealth mission, and Dash outrunning the gyro-copters was one of the best scenes in the first movie. There's no balance in Incredibles 2.
MrZurata And the thinking with portals. I hated that hero because of her clingy demeanor and not much char development to justify it, but her fight scenes were pretty neat.
MrZurata Yeah that was sick. The movie to me seems rushed while you can tell they took their time with the first one to make it the best it could be. Truthfully the sequel had unfair shoes to fill, the first movie is the highest graded superhero film of ALL TIME per those tools over there at Metacritic.
Mr. Incredible's powers are kinda basic and he got most of the action in the first movie, so. then Dash has pretty basic powers too, but they did him good by having him do the stuff with the car, then he ran around the owl dude and made his head spin. That was sick.
Incredibles 2 was definitely disappointing. I thought they'd come up with something more innovative and unpredictable, but no. It's not a horrible movie, and is worth a watch, but Incredibles 2 definitely lacks all the stuff that made the first film awesome and unforgettable.
"every movie I don't like is the worst movie ever made because I said so" argument
I never said this was the worst movie ever made, nor did I say I didn't like it. Learn to read comments and stop putting words in people's mouths.
Sir Isaac If anything they made this completely predictable which is disappointing.
Sir Isaac I see. Incredibles 2 is just a washed down Incredibles 1.
Good Animation, Bad Movie
“Not making use of the powers” me, uhhhhh did you see elastic woman’s bike???
Yes. She didn't use her powers to Spider-man swing across town on her arms, she just rode a bike.
Yeah, the bike was pretty cool. But how did Bob not know about it?
take incredibles' 1 script, swap villain and villain's assistant genders and main superheroes role, wait 14 years to publish some lame ass movie even tho is the same script
success
incredibles 2
Yo Lewis I 100% agree. Incredibles 2 was extremely underwhelming. I honestly hated it.
i swear to god, they probably just spent the 15 years making that scene where violet shoots a bolt of fucking water out of her nose.
Toaster “she doesn’t normally drip like this”
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I disagree, I find the plot of the first movie far more compelling. If it was just a vague copy of the first, it would be recognized as such. I think it in fact falls short of what the first movie accomplished.
Still a pretty decent film, but just not on the same level.
first incredibles- had very mature themes, great action sequences and the lore went deep
second incredibles- just another kids movie
Yeah, exactly!
Nithing is wrong with kids movies that are not that great for adults, but the kids movies who work just as well if you're older are what you should aim for. Children live if the movies they watch are deep and introduce them to mature themes (in a way that fits their age if course, like Elastigirl fearing Bob is cheating), and the shallow mivies will just be forgotten once their older
Pixar: Jack Jack= money
2:22
Who thought their computer stopped working right there?
i hate when he dose that
Me
Hey fun fact this movie is called Incredibles 2 and the word “the” isn’t said through the entire movie. Not sure why that is but they did it anyway lol...
nobody says the through the whole movie? how did they write a whole movie without such a common word???
The plot is so under cooked
Like its great yes it tastes nice but I can only enjoy the surface of it because the inside is so raw it's not edible and so under developed that you just sorta leave on the side and don't touch it.
IT'S FUCKING RAW
*WHERE’S THE LAMB SAUCE*
I'm glad you said it. It was so average it was a little heartbreaking. The Incredibles is one of my favourite movies and this one being so...average...retrospectively puts a damper on the first one :(
Villain: “My dads faith in supes got him killed!”
Villain: **tries to outlaw supes forever**
Villains dad: **mightve never died if supes weren’t outlawed in the first place**
wow i never thought of that
Yeah, you are missing the point by Kilometers
@@crangejo Well, now I'm sorry, but we here folks in 'Merica use good ol' HAMBURGERS for meas'ment.
Youre completely missing the point. The issue wasn't that supers were outlawed, it's that he relied too much on them.
Faulty Videos I guess. But even so, my comment still stands. Supes could have saved him if they weren’t outlawed, despite his over reliance
tbh, my favourite part about the movie is when Frozone swears when Jack-Jack turns into a demon baby thing