Film Theory: Which of The Incredibles Is THE MOST Incredible? (Disney Pixar's The Incredibles)
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THE INCREDIBLES is one of the most beloved Pixar movies, and this makes sense seeing how it's Super Heroes and Family combined. But with so many super abilities under one roof, I have to ask: Which Incredible is the "most super?" Well, Loyal Theorists, I've found the answer, and it's not who you're expecting!
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Also Violet and Dash are kids. Imagine them as adults
I know right
And I bet if *they* had kids imagine how much stronger than their dad they would be
@@theawkwarddolphin4752 that might depend if they can find another super like their parents
@@rsmith8156 *Alabama Music Starts Playing*
@@SupSaffron Ha!
To be fair, Mr Incredible did not give out when the train hit him, the ground beneath his feet did, so he could be much much stronger than his environment allows him to be.
Also, people got seriously hurt by the change in speed inside the train. If he had stopped it faster, which I don’t doubt he could have done, everyone inside would be in a much worse state
Agreed
Plus, he's not heavy. So even if he was super strong the train is much heavier.
Something tells me by his size he is heavy.
@@user-ev4mk3cv6i Let's say he weighs 200 kg. He can't stop a train weighing 537311 kg without getting pushed a lot.
Violet might also have the best reaction time of the family. At the start of the film, she put up a field remotely in Dash’s path to intercept him. So her force fields aren’t just insanely strong but can appear basically instantaneously.
Dash was moving in a circular pattern, by the time dash realized there was something in his way it would be little to no time to coarse correct. Also take the weird helicopter scene in the cave, when dash realize that a helicopter what’s coming his way he took time about two seconds to change his path
I think Violet is the best since she is just a teenager and she will become better at some point although she’s already over powered in my opinion since she can technically lift stuff and fly technically. Not including Jack Jack since he’s still a baby so his powers are undetermined at the moment.
For real life that is so cool
@@mulch2yes but that first part should be something to say for violet cause she beat a speedster at reaction time
I think that violet could also beat anyone in her family in a death battle. She could just make a tiny forcefield in their body or brain and then expand it. Instantly she wins as her opponent explodes. It's pretty graphic but it's a possibility in my opinion.
I love how MatPat determines at the beginning that the movie takes place in 1962 and then, a couple of minutes later, uses modern missiles to determine Elastigirl's strength.
I think he did that because Syndrome has more modern technology compared the time the movie takes place in.
Personally i thought that it was her suit that absorbed the impact because we see when Edna was introducing the suits, that Elastagirl's suit could withstand missiles.
@@isaacwestover1767 but this also implies that her suit and even she herself can withstand the shrapnel, which might even be more impressive
@@was3513 yes but this is a gulfstream-based plane, which was made atleast after 1970
It's also the suit that protects her not her powers lol idk how he missed that
You forgot frozone. Oh wait, he can't find his super suit.
sonic1556 he cant
his wife.God damn it
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Honey!What!WHERE IS MY SUPER SUi
sonic1556 how does this have no likes??? 😂😂😂
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So i prove skyla Thrope Not Not Not guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Same
I bet u 100 bucks that my moms a better Lawyer
Pay up dude :P
Skyla Thorpe Not if I hire him first
If violet is literally stronger than both of her parents at 14, imagine a fully grown version of her
and especialy if she has kids and has an adrenaline rush like Mr incredible
Almost
@@TheNatefedor Not to mention the training she gets from helping her parents with villains beyond Syndrome, like the ending of the first movie suggested.
12:31 ayo what the teacher doin?
there's one thing you missed in the calculation: friction. no matter how strong the father is, it's still the rails that hold him. friction only resists up to a certain amount of force, which depends on the rails' friction coefficient and mr incredible's mass, so unless he weighs like a few tons he is gonna slide no matter what.
He can’t stop it TOO fast or the passengers go flying and get severely injured.
Also, he’s redirecting some of the force downward.
@@pokemagetech it doesn't really matter that he redirects the force down, because in doing that he just lifts the train a little bit, so it might add a little more resistance if the friction between his shoes and the rail is higher than the friction between the wheels and the rail (which is likely) there's still a limit to the force he can apply. in addition, rails generally have a lower coefficient to allow the train a smooth ride. i might be wrong and there might be an element of him trying to moderate the slowing down, but either way the point is that that scene is not a good indication for his power at all.
tl;dr: while he might be able to maximize the friction by lifting the train, i don't think that would be noticeable enough to allow him the further control over the slowing rate. i might be wrong though it depends on too many variables.
Bro already weighs a few tons💀💀💀
@@hacklordmonster8780it would probably injure the passengers far more if he lifted them up
Exactly. He calculated strength very poorly in almost every instance.
Actually if Mr Incredible stopped the train at once, it would most likely get destroyed in the impact killing everyone in it, so he couldn't use his full strength on it.
good job tying up loose ends.
My thoughts as well.
Invincible
agreed
@@ADerpyReality exactly what i thought too
His search history must be pretty suspicious.
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He forgot a very important part: Edna’s suits. They are the reason elastigirl was able to take the explosion and they enhance everyone’s abilities
Thank God someone else noticed that
I came here to see who would win in a death match, but I got an amazing message that family is forever and that our parents love us more then we could ever know. 😭
When Violet grows up and her force fields mature more/become stronger, she’ll most likely be one of, if not the, most powerful supers in the world
jack jack: hold my beer
Actually very true!
The new baby i think its like a hundred times stronger.
Bud you forgot Jack Jack
chunky unicorn what abou baby jack jack
Mat: “who is the strongest incredible?”
Jack jack: “hah easy-“
Mat: “we aren’t including jack jack”
Jack jack: **sad noises**
Ha ha ha ha
185th like, also a reply from 3 dsys ago daying hahahaha
219th like....btw just telling ya
Check this edit
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Jack jack after these two comments:😢
Imagine Mat Pat trying to include Jack Jack into these calculations XD
Edit: Now that the others said it.... 278th like :3
GODDAMN THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING
The strenght of the force field would be a lot stronger if you take into account that bullets apply their force over a very tiny surface area. To create a force field that properly blocks bullets from all direction you should be able to apply that force over the whole surface area of the shield and in very short timeframes (hence a lot more power is needed) , which makes it a lot more impressive.
In your analysis of Violet’s powers, you forgot to account for gravity on the robot - mass and weight are not the same thing. Since the robot is under the effect of gravity, its mass should be multiplied by 9.8 m/s to get the weight. Both Violet and Mr. Incredible are vastly more powerful than your calculations show.
Yeah the whole video is full of ridiculous physics miscalculations. Showed this to my physics professor from last year and he cringed the whole time. He says MatPat would’ve failed his class with a video like this.
He did multiply it by 9.8 m/s^2 to get 181 million N, which is the weight
how can this have 135??!! that's precisely the thing, indeed we confuse weight so much we double confuse it, indeed mass is not force, we automatically usually assume the earth's gravity and multiply by 9.8, and we usually have to stop that and actually use the mass in an other way or use a different acceleration or gravity, but PRECISELY this time, what? they are not on earth? they have a different gravity? if that is your point then say so, the only assumption made was precisely the one is usually done, that we are in earth's gravity, and indeed the number is multiplied by 9.8, 135 people really were confused about that? and then I get mad about the ACTUAL things that are sketchy...
For real life
and the robot would be intentionally accelerating downwards, so that's oughta add a couple kg
Pixar is just Disney without having all the characters singing every 10 minutes
which is why its better
@@chillyswiss5698 exactly!
@@Chanceogal :D
@@Ethan.YT. what
@@Ethan.YT. Shut up
Couldn’t it also be that Mr Incredible is a little smarter than we think he is? I mean, if he had exerted a hundred times the force he used in the train scene, he would have stopped it instantly, killing everyone. We know that he can control his strength due to him being able to punch people and not turn them into a bloody pulp. Also, look at him saving the guy who tried to commit suicide, if Mr. Incredible had used the force he used in the train scene, he would have murdered him. It seems like Mr. Incredible could just be using the absolute minimum force he needs to in every situation we see him in for fear of completely destroying what he is trying to protect. In the robot scene, he uses as much force as he can since he either saves his kids or fails and all three die. I just like this explanation more than the ‘family love’ explanation
Trevor Ritzke 50/50
Trevor Ritzke Yeah, that makes sense.
Trevor Ritzke or train had forward momentum, while robot downward. Meaning there is no friction involved with stopping the object. If Mr incredible had bigger feets train would stop faster.
Trevor Ritzke yep Exactly
True. If Mr.Incredible were to use all his strength to stop the train completely, it would have caused a deadly whiplash to the passengers inside.
Idk why anyone doesn't notice that Bob doesn't really get hurt from blunt attacks and only gets wounded by the Omnidroid's sharp claws. His durability is off the charts too and he has a jar containing bullets that bounced off him during his prime and in his room with all the newspaper and achievements, one of them shows he swam through a typhoon in an ocean and rescued a ship full of people off the ocean.
As a train nerd, I love to hear MatPat using accurate terms for railway stock. Awesome!
-Jack
Imagine how concerned Mat’s parents were when he was a kid
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Look mat! It's a Disney movie! They are full of fun family friendly messages!
Kid Matpat: Actually...
He probably wasn’t like this until a little later
@@o.8.p149 yeah, but imagine if he was.
DadPat, "Sigh, this is why we can't watch nice things."
I’m late but I thought it was Edna’s “Virtually indestructible” suits that saved Helen, Violet, and Dash in the crash as foreshadowed by the missiles in Edna’s display case
In order to actually protect the children from the force of the explosion, she must have resisted it with her body. If she merely formed a durable blanket around them, she would just become the medium through which the shockwave splats the kids.
I mean yeah the missiles in the display case were totally meant to narratively explain their survival, but when you think about the physics the video happens to be right.
As someone else pointed out, the wearer still takes a heavy hit, as when Helen passed out.
Ok
Helen's head didn't explode though
@@jaime8309 well if you look closely at the scene, she stretched her neck around so her whole body was inside the suit
7:44 I believe her suit is designed to be super durable, and in the demonstration, we can see that it is resistant to a large variety of hazards, including intense heat. Now, typically, blast force would be a hazard, but this is a character who is naturally durable as heck, and naturally immune to blunt force, like Luffy from ONE PIECE. However, assuming here body has a similar chemical structure to a character like Luffy, who is composed entirely of rubber, heat would be extremely dangerous, as rubber and other flexible materials are not immune to melting. On the matter of the exposed parts of her form, in the original scene, she can be seen tucking her head and arms into the shield as she rolls into a ball.
This was just a thing I noticed and wanted to bring up, so yeah.
This was an incredible movie that I encourage everyone to rewatch. You really appreciate the nostalgia.
“Who’s the strongest?”
Mr Incredible: *Very poor choice of words.*
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I'm going whith jack jack
@@ariwinkie3507 jack jack is...
The jack card
@@Jpx0999 more like a king lol
Adwans it means strongest as in brute force, that’s the joke, when he counted the rest of the incredibles that weren’t pure strength, like pretty much the rest of the incredibles.
When Bob stops the train, the force he can exert is limited by the friction his feet has with the tracks.
FINALLY, THANK THE LORD.
Not you, clearly the lord is responsible. (jokesth)
Whereas, when stopping the Omnidroid, he's wedged between it and the ground, letting him apply his maximum strength.
Been looking for such a comment
I was thinking the same exact thing
Also going on about the adrenaline that parents get when their kids are in danger he factors that in for bob by it Helen when he calculates hers
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About Mr. Incredible being stronger when his child’s life is in danger, it _can_ be described as hysterical strength, but I believe what you were referring to was neural inhibition which is more well researched.
Humans do not use 100% of their actual strength due to neural inhibition, where the nervous system uses a series of inhibitor neurons that are attached to other neurons in the body so that as a signal is sent to to a muscle to move, it gradually loses some of the signal sent which reduces the action potential (the actual movement of that muscle) of a given muscle.
While scientists do not know for certain why this exists, what we do know is it essentially keeps you from using all of your strength at any given task. This is likely an evolutionary trait that keeps your body from operating on a knives edge, where using all of your strength without a reliable source of food renders your body incapable of finding something to eat before starving to death whereas a more efficient approach may make you able to last longer between meals as well as keeping strength in reserve for when it’s needed.
Scientists know that your body mediates these inhibitors, meaning they are not roadblocks, they are doors that your brain can open or close when needed. What could make them open? Desperation. The mix of endorphins and adrenaline is likely to cause one of the greatest fight or flight responses of your life, which could cause your body to open the neural pathways and giving you access to your body’s full strength, while afterwards you would be incredibly tired and exhausted, you would likely feel almost twice as strong for time.
Also the reason this is not scientifically proven is because it can’t be tested with a control, since reproducing an experiment where the subject believes they are going to die is a board of ethics violation, but it is well documented
The fact that Violet was almost over her dad. Is prob the fact she hasn’t trained her power unlike her father. She has tried to hid it. But if she trained like her dad or got older. Yikes she is unstoppable unless she’s allergic to kryptonite
Jack Jack can teleport and basically face into a different dimension, amount other stuff...so violet ain't that crazy :/
@@mangolian3773 still crazy compared to the rest of the world
Just less crazier than Jack Jack
Jack jack will murder the entire solar system
She can make a tiny force field inside you and then make it bigger until you die
I mean like the only person who could stop her is Jack Jack because of all of his super powers and how powerful he is
Considering Violet is still a teen, and we would not know what would she do if that happened to her future kids, she might still be the strongest
Jack Jack entered the chat.
But movie doesn't show it, it's all speculation on your side. :)
Besides dash will get taller which might be able to make him run faster
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@@johncarlortiz2672 oooh kinda hot
I would like to point out one thing about your calculation with Mr Incredible and the train: while he may have the strength to push large objects, at the same time the train itself is a fragile object. He is most likely not exerting his max force because if he did, he'd tear through the front (it'd be like that scene in Invincible). He'd have to accommodate for the low (relative to him) tensile strength of the train metal and glass and use selective bouts of his strength to decelerate the train rather than push against it with all his might
Remember, violet had been struck MULTIPLE times so she had withstood at least three times the force her dad struggled with! But omg it’s amazing how you can devote so much time and effort into this.
she only withstood one that was the full weight of the robot the others were the claws
When I re-watched this movie, I took the message as being not that you have to be born special to be super, but that even people who aren't born with special powers (Syndrome) have the potential to be super, but because he became too obsessed with the approval of others, he lost sight of his true goal and was brought down by his own inferiority complex. If he had used his intelligence for the betterment of people and not focused on Mr. Incredible's discouragement, he could have been just as heroic as the rest of them. It's not about whether or not his intelligence counts as a power, but how he chose to use it. Thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.
I mean, considering the existence of Edna, a very intelligent person who works with superheroes, yes, I agree with what you said. Edna, unlike Syndrome, used her intelligence for good.
@@val_ue I couldn’t agree more when you take into account all of the factors Edna has to account for in her super suit. You can tell she is just as intelligent as syndrome if not more (especially in the 2nd film) where she makes a baby safe super suit for Jack Jacks’ 100 powers in a single night. Including one that can track Jack Jack when he is in a different dimension. She could easily turn herself into a goddess herself but she fully immerses herself into art that supports people who can save the world.
I still don't get why intelligence is not considered a superpower. Both Edna and Syndrome display genius levels of intelligence when it comes to their imagination, engineering and inventing abilities. They are also brilliant and cunning strategist in their own right
@@AbbaZabbaOlyFrn Because intelligence is something that can be learned by gain by most people yeah it's really hard but nothing ( in fiction) is stopping you from becoming as smart as you want.
@@waffleten9750 doesn't that apply to OP supers as well? Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl, and Frozone didn't become that skilled and honed into their powers overnight. You can see that in Violet and Dash, they're barely tapping into what they can do with their powers. But I get what your saying, super geniuses really cannot physically display their super power, they have to use other methods
Are we just going to forget the fact that Mr. Incredible punched the Omnidroid 8.0 well over 30 feet with only his right hand?
He didn't even seem exerted afterwards, and it was before he did his exercises too.
a month late to this but the first droid seemed a lot smaller, both in height and width. I'd assume it wasn't too sturdy either, because he struggles a LOT more to lift up the newest version. just my 2 cents
@@pranav2169 the newest version seems like it is digging its arms in though. I think it is pulling itself into the ground. I recon the weight is similar though, as Mr Incredible was able to just shoulder charge the Omnidroid as it held onto that office space.
I calculated the force required to do this in a previous comment, and calculated it to be just under the strength required to do his feat with the final omnidroid.
I would like to point out, the Death Battle referance at the very beginning of the video. Brought the biggest smile to my face, my two favorite channels in one place
BUT I was really hoping to see Wiz and Boomstick in this episode
If you think about it, people with super speed also have super endurance because of the fact that they can run for so long, and so quick. Not to mention, the fact that they would also have really tough or special skin to not give the person friction burns.
And extreme reaction speed
The fact that Jack Jack got kidnapped and everyone was like "Oh No Jack Jack!" And Jack Jack was out here like "Nah I'm OP I got this". The funniest part in the movie.
It almost made me punch my monitor because how infuriated I was by a literal stupid baby beating my favorite villain. Just throw him away, Syndrome, just end this devilish infant's whole career!
Syndrom:RANSOM TIIIIIIIME
jack jack:YOU BETTER SHUT UP I HAVE THE POEWR TO DESTROY TO WORLD 10 TIMES OVER PIECE A TRASH.
everyone else:WHAT THE F---
@@NickAndriadze O_O
@@NickAndriadze your fav villain just stupid in the way of act and being mature that's it. unless why he chose to revenge on all superhero because he ain't gifted since born and just have technology, doesn't he ever heard of batman?
@@NickAndriadze yes sir
So here's a second theory about Mr. Incredible stopping the train vs catching that robot. I don't think he was struggling to stop the train. If he wanted to, he probably could have stopped it dead in its tracks. I think he was more so struggling with slowing it down bit by bit to not harm the passengers with the momentum of the train when it DID come to a sudden stop. It's actually harder to limit yourself sometimes than it is to just go all out. You have to focus much harder in the precise amount of strength you're exerting. I've had to work with moving large, heavy object and moving them carefully and precisely. It is definitely much easier to give it all your might, than it is to limit yourself to something more precise. All and all, 100% is easier to muster than say, 40.2%.
also leverage plays a huge part in it - when stopping the train, Mr. Incredible was limited by the amount of friction the tracks could take before being destroyed. He was also in a terrible position for exerting force.
oh ok
Yeah, if he stopped that train in the blink of an eye, everyone in there would instantly die
Not to mention that even though Mr. Incredible can absorb that force, the ties underneath him that he was bracing against could not. So, his feet had to break through several of them before the train stopped.
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I think dash running and catching the football that Mr incredible threw in like 2 seconds is a bigger feat
The thing is: all the moments picked out for the superheros were life and death situations٫ except for dash. Helen was saving her kids from death٫ Bob was Saving his kids once٫ and the lives of dozens of strangers a different time. And Violet was protecting herself and her brother. Meanwhile٫ Dash was pulling a prank٫ so the stakes were not as high
A couple quick notes, if I may:
1) When calculating Mr. Incredible's strength using the train, you didn't account for traction. It doesn't matter how strong he was, his feet were planted on wood and concrete, which broke under the force of the train. You can see the wood flying away as he speeds down the track. It doesn't matter how much force he can personally exert, he could exert ten times your estimate and still run into the same problem. If he can't brace himself, he can't slow the train down enough. Not to mention, he wouldn't WANT to stop it dead in its tracks, since that would kill everyone on board.
2) Your missiles are misdated. You made sure the train and passengers were set in the 1940's, but the missiles you referenced began development in the 1970's.
3) You didn't consider Elastagirl's supersuit. Edna Mode SPECIFICALLY stated it was resistant to missiles. In her demonstration scene, she shot two at the suit, and there was no damage at all.
4) This entire premise is based entirely on one definition of raw strength, and doesn't account for usage. Mr. Incredible may have a physical advantage, but his powers would have a hard time injuring anyone in his family. Elastagirl's stretch would make it easy for her to evade direct contact. Dash is just too fast to hit.
Usage wise, Violet could potentially have the deadliest powers. Not only can she stealthily attack just about anyone, but her forcefields are solid and can appear anywhere. We see her use them to disrupt electromagnetic fields, so why can't she use them to slice through matter?
However, her age is a disadvantage. She has NO IDEA what the capabilities of her powers are. She is one of the least trained of the family. Unlike her parents, with years of experience, she works on instinct, and doesn't even know that her forcefields could deflect bullets.
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Thank you!
I think you meant "Will not want to stop it dead in its tracks"....
Oh, oops! Proofreading fail. Thanks for catching that!
Nerd Alert
I would like to make what I believe is a valid point:
Mrs. Incredible's suit is the thing that saved her against the explosion, NOT her own powers. When she got her suit, the person giving it to her said that the SUIT reflected everything. The SUIT.
Eva Russell
Edna (the “suit-giver”) proves this by including the scene where she introduces the suits. She blows them up to show off their strength!! 😁 I feel smarts!!
She never said it reflected anything just that the suit itself was virtually indestructible, honestly not saying whether it'd able to protect the person. It doesn't absorb everything.
Eva Russell IT DOESN'T MATTER!
The suit does reflect the explosive shrapnel, however the main calculation here is the FORCE exerted by the middles. The suit is very flexible for her meaning there is little to know impact resistance, so the force of the shockwave would be full exerted on her. She doesn’t get impaled by shrapnel and burned by fire, but she does feel the full shockwave
Eva Russell there we go... somebody who actually KNOWS what is going on and actually looks and listens carefully to the movie
Maybe Dash dosent actually run fast, but perhaps he can create time bubbles around him that slow down or speed up the environment around him. So the reason he didn’t create huge blasts of wind when he places the tack on his teachers chair is because he isn’t going fast. It’s just time perception. That is my theory on fast superheroes
Helen's Suit was designed to absorb exposions so I feel that the estimate of the force she absorbed is faltered.
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It's not Helen's body withstanding the blast, it's the suit. Look at the scene where Edna shows her the suits
that's the first thing I thought. I'm surprised matt didn't think about that.
The same could be said about Mr. Incredible lifting the droid, he didn't have the suit when stopping the train but he does when stopping the droid.
You are 100% right
Hannah But the suit isn't the source of his strength
Hannah The suit didn’t make him stronger, it just makes him durable
I'm so happy I found this. Incredibles was always my favorite PIXAR movie (It's between it and WALL-E). Also regarding MatPat's idea of "what the movie was about" the director's cut gave a little insight on that; it's a balance between the fantastic and the mundane within family bonds. Hence why the whole climax battle is the family arguing over the remote. :)
Even though I'm pretty late I recently been hooked on your theories, I like to listen to them while doing chores around the house
Helen doesn't absorb the missiles, the suit that Edna made, as set up earlier in the film is missile proof
Eduardo Niemeyer the foreshadowing no one saw coming?
SVS mmmm no I don't think so. There would be no reason to make the suit missile proof if it couldn't save the person beneath it.
The Hutch It’s that way so she doesn’t break it when she stretches. You scientifically can’t be stretchy and be able to actually stop the force of an explosion. Also that statement is like an asterisk you put in the corner of the screen when you make a commercial! “Come down and get your missile proof suit now!” *You will still die if you get hit by a missile :(... BUT YOUR SUIT WON’T :D
Fighter jets are g force proof for the most part. You can make almost 90 degree turns withou damaging the plane, however the person on the inside can be killed from the g force. So the suits durability doesnt matter. We even have bullet proof shirts, but the wearer still suffers broken ribs while the shirt is left unscathed
And her completely exposed head?
Edna would of been super pissed when she found out you didnt use her new super suits resistance to damage when calculating moms strength..... You can say her face was exposed but it wasnt, you can clearly see it when she wraps everyone up. Also Edna was super surprised Dad tore through his old suits mega mesh.
I bought one of these elastic vests from amazon, If you hammer them they come out intact but you still smash anything bellow the vest if it's not resistant. The suit from Edna was resistant and shared the same elastic properties as the intended wearer, but was not an armor.
I’ve actually countered this a couple of times. The suit was made to be damage resistance or for lack of a better term “indestructible” meaning it can’t be destroyed and provides the wearer some protection, however, it is never stated that it desperses all of the energy or the force from any attack. This is further backed up by the fact that she passed out from the blast proving that the wearer does bear the effects of an attack. She would still have to have the natural ability to withstand the force of the attack which is why the FORCE is what was calculated. She still withstood the force of the blast even if she was protected from it.
@@TortoRacoon Edna literally says while showing her the suits that they are "virtually indestructible" before shooting missiles at it
@@TortoRacoon also, its a kids movie
She would also be pissed at Syndrome wearing a cape XD
I really like the fact that baby supers just have all these powers till their bodies adapt to one
In the movie, Edna says that she made Elastigirl's suit missile proof, so the fact that she was able to defend her kids from the missiles could just be her suit.
Spider-Man: I JUST STOP A MOVING TRAIN AND ALMOST DIED
Mr. Incredible: hold my beer
*injures passengers*
*baby
*stopped
Baby child=spidey
*Spider-Man is a great character but hasn’t had a lot of time to improve and is clearly still being affected by the loss of his father figure tony*
elastigirl also ends up stopping a speeding train xD
I am not biased, but even I would be afraid to look at MatPat's searching history.
*Coward*
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@@BabyKicket And I'm from a completely different movie
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i'm pretty sure the only reason elastigirl was able to withstand that explosion was because of the suit because we can hear edna describe how much force the suit can take
God I want to see this guys search history
Did he just "forget" about the fact that Edna created Elastigirl's new suit to be able to withstand or reduce damage upon her body? We saw her shoot bullets and rockets at it right? And the suit was unscathed after the test too right???
Her suit is similar to that of Mr. Fantastic and Spider-Man 2099 in that the suit will never tear but can still take damage through the suit.
We saw this as Helen was almost knocked unconscious while her suit prevented damage from burns etc.
Right? You are an rhetorical genius right?
I was about to comment the same thing. That's what I always thought helped save Helen and the kids from the explosion and not Helen's strengths.
Exactly
SlippyJos yeah, that’s what I was going to comment as well.
I want this theory redone now that Incredibles 2 is out
Edit: 2k likes?? tysm guys :D this is now my most liked comment
@Rocky loll tru but i want to see how it would line up
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@@fierypillow3134 😂
me too and I hope matt does his math better considering that he ignored that Edna demonstrated the suits being missile proof thus negating most of elastigirl's feat of surviving the missile attack.
@@frostbite0707 Pichu! (But the suits won't save your head from getting obliterated, Cinema Sins pointed that out)
MatPat's physics teacher has never been more proud
Another thing to note about him stopping that train is that he can only exert as much force as reactions will allow which is one of the reasons why people can't exactly stopp themselves from being pushed as well in water as on land.
Elastigirl didn't survive the explosion by her own means. Edna mentioned in the suit-testing scene that their suits were, in fact, missle-proof.
Edit: 14 replies and nobody told me that I spelled suit wrong?
exactly!
yea!
She couldn't had never survived the missiles if she was without the suit.
but i really liked the video anyway, He's going deep into details and it concluded right anyway.
Yup her suit helped her survive
unless the suit is 1000s of pounds of metal shes still being crushed on all sides by the force of the missiles
@@awesomegaymer5786 Ooh, maybe. I think the jet took the most damage though, the explosions being what her suit repelled. Idk, it's a fast scene.
There's a simpler explanation: Stopping the train with his full strength would have decelerated it so quickly, it would have killed the passengers. He was hoping he had enough track left to decelerate the train without killing anyone
That, and the wooden beams under the rails breaks under the force..which is outside of Bobs control. If he was fixed the ground, maybe he could stop it on the spot.
Yep, dear MattyPatty forgot to account for friction and the ground conditions in his first hypothesis. But we love him anyway :)
nzkowlfojdy
Accurate
also friction against the rails, we saw how much damage he did to the track while trying to stop the train, didn't have anything sturdy enough to stop him.
I love how MattyPatty uses the most obscure things to calculate stuff like using trains and history to calculate Mr. Incred's strength
Hearing all about the misles and plane honestly made my day😊
When Mr. Incredible stopped the train he was basically just leaning against it, letting it crash into him and slowing it down only with the friction of his stance but when he lifted the droid he was actually in a position where he could use all of his muscle arsenal to push against it.
Olli
Smart
Frozone's wife could have beaten Syndrome because she would have put his SUPER SUIT away
Asmen 22 Ahhh nice one!
I like how they bring up the cool quote death battle makes in their videos and amazing theory and great video man :]
This is my favorite video of all the channels. Thank you matpat. You and dantdm were my childhood
Hellen could only survive the missiles, and protect her kids, because Edna made her suit to be able to protect her from dangers like that. There is even a scene in the movie of Edna shooting multiple missiles at her suit from a very close distance and the suit is left in perfect condition
Also airplanes don't have 10cm thick skin. Their skin is about 1mm.
My thoughts exactly! Thanks for bringing it up
Exactly. It was all the suit.
Just because in the material of her suit is heat resistant and shock resistant Destin mini can artificially absorb the force applied. She would still need to hold the structural Integrity of the bubble to make sure to force is not transferred to her kids and their bones get shattered. Essentially the suit would only help against the shrapnel and heat not the blunt force energy being applied.
Dylan Glover you are right.... Take that into consideration MatPat!
at the train scene, dad is unable to apply enough force to counteract the train speed due to his shoes simply do not have enough grip/friction.
later, the robot scene, he is stationary.... so he can easily use his full strength...
Exactly! The amount of force he can apply to the train is limited by the horizontal force he can apply to the railroad ties and given that his shoes seem to slide over each tie he’s unable to acquire the needed friction to oppose the train force.
The wooden boards were breaking too
That's what I thought as well. You can be really strong, but if you don't have the friction, stopping a train is really hard. It's like, being able to lift 100 kg from a concrete floor but not from an icy floor. Yes, you can't lift it, but that's not because you're not strong enough.
If I’m honest there were sibling instincts so perhaps that was her full strength with the extra adrenaline, but also he has the experience and has anger against syndrome so yeah, mr incredible, also plot armor was at play
Woah 10m subs amazing keep going!
With Elastigirl its actually the suit that helps her survive. If you watch it again, you could see that she actually remembered what Edna said about the suit within the moment the missiles were about to hit the jet. Also if you look closely, you could see that she ducked her head inside with her kids to protect it.
Between the four I believe that Violet is the strongest, I've been holding on to that argument ever since I was a kid watching Incredibles multiple times. But from all five, Jack-Jack is by far the strongest seeing how he was able to go through Violet's shield in Incredibles 2.
@Ryan Lastname If she put her head into the suit to protect it just like she did with her kids, then why would it have exploded?
@Ryan Lastname If that's true I can't see it from this video, even going frame by frame. That does explain your question though, so I guess I'll have to keep an eye on that scene when I watch the movie next. ^^
Jack-Jack is not the strongest but has the most versatile power.
@RyanLastname Even if she did protect her head, that amount of force os still able to knock her out. Heck, the suit might be able to survive direct missile hits like Edna shows, her head is still vulnerable to inertia
I still feel as though Jack-Jack is still the most powerful because as of now he is still a baby who can't control his powers. Once he can he will be impossible to hit with him being able to disappear through dimensions and can appear wherever he wants to
12:30 - Not sure if the teacher wants to be doing that in front of kids
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This is one of your greatest theorys, oh true, your all theorys are PERFECT
7:38 I think the suit saved them and not Helen because it was demonstrated by E when she denoted missiles on the suit
there is one thing you forgot to take in calculation, sudden stop to the train will kill the passenger in the train, so super dad are actually holding back his strength when stopping the train. or else it too coincidental to stop just at the broken rail at that nick of time.
also lack of friction as well as the opposing forces excerted by the friction applied and railroad ties (sleepers).
yeah that actually makes sense. he was holding back so that the train would stop at the slowest rate possible.
oh shot good point
Amazing one, he said *if* it was a sudden stop it would be bad. so he made sure it stopped slowly, so no one would get hurt, so he held back a bit
He also forgot about hero costume that Elastic Girl wore. That was pretty much indestructible clothes, as Edna showed before. But they were not only meant to be indestructible, but also impenetrable - so, Elastic Girl putting her kids inside of her, also protecting her own head, could have pretty much create pseudo-force field.
But how did he find his supersuit?
*top 10 questions science can't answer*
It's Bk maybe it was in his drawer... That's where I found my cat
Edna Mode made all his suits, that's explained in the movie
I believe he's referring to the scene where he's frantically trying to find it when his wife moved it :P Look it up if you've forgotten, it's legendary in it's amazingness :)
cattledogandstaffy It's BK was referencing the scene where Frozone sees the giant robot outside his window, and his wife asks why he needs to know.
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They never show her agreeing to tell him, he just shows up to the fight in costume.
he didnt. he needs to get a new suit every other week
Here's an idea for why Mr Incredible stopping the train was much harder than stopping the Omnidroid, hysterical strength aside.
When he tries to hold back the train, the train track boards snap under his feet. He didn't have proper footing and support.
Meanwhile, when the Omnidroid slams down on his family, Mr Incredible he has the Earth's crust against his back.
I still stand by the theory that Syndrome actually had powers akin to Forge from Marvel Comics that allowed for him to make those inventions, but since it's not flashy no one picked up on it.
It’s the suit , not her body, remember E said that he suit was quote “ practically indestructible “
Her face wasn’t covered, it’s her powers
Her face might not be covered but it doesn't stop herself from stretching her face into the little protective sphere
John Kasperwicz it’s not her powers, she put her head in the bubble around her kids
Take Matpat of the watch list please
It wouldn’t matter the suit being indestructible doesn’t account for the fact that there would still be all of those pounds of force pushing onto the suits fabric so although the suit may survive she would have been crushed therefore still making her as powerful as Matt pat calculated
There is also the fact that Edna shows Helen how her suit protects her from explosions, so maybe she didn't take on that explosion outright.
Looked up the scene and Edna says, "Virtually indestructible," when the rockets fired at the suit, so we can't really tell how much force the suit absorbs from explosions just from Edna's words.
Funso Isola that's true
Thank you Funso, i was thinking the same thing.
Edna showed her that the suit could withstand explosions, not that it would protect the wearer from them.
Funso Isola I thought that too
Being knocked out from the blast says otherwise. She didnt die, but she felt it.
I personally think Mr. incredible was holding back with the train. He knew there were people on board and such a sudden stop would damage them as it did in the movie. Not only that if he didnuse his full strength it's likely the train would bump into him and while hebstood his ground the train would get wrecked up pretty badly
1:25 the teacher be throwin it back😂
most likely violet didn't expect the massive metal body so she didn't use all her strength you can tell by here facial expression by the way she looks up.
Sorry but this is a pixar movie i doubt they thought that far
@@thealgorithm7921 well it was worth a guess ;-;
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@@hexifi she had like 0 secomds of notice
Why would she ever think to use less than 100 percent of her power when saving the life of not only herself but also her little brother? She definitely used all her strength, but was obviously still scared.
You forgot Frozone, his strength to deal with his wife not finding his super suit ore godly.
He's not one of the Incredibles. So, no dice.
BarkingDeathSquirrel killjoy
The Big Moist ha ha ha ha ha
Ikr
WHERES MY SUPER SUIT
10:47 😂 the subtitles say Dash as ‘ - ‘😂
I don’t see any comments regarding the fact that Violet took that hit to her force field over and over and over again before passing out. Not to discredit Mr Incredible, but he only took one hit in the comparison.
Another factor that you forgot: Friction. Bob could not exert his full force on to the train becouse he would destroy the birdge by clinging the feet in to it. On the other hand, the ground beneath Violet allready was compressed.
Alekay Argote I thought I was the only person who thought that
Take my thumbs-up, I was about to write the same thing but you beat me to it sir!
Alekay Argote was about to comment that stopping something is not the same as pushing out force
Matt also didn't notice that Violet didn't pass out because she passed the limits of her powers, she passed out because her "shield" hit her head. I'm pretty sure she would've been able to continue if it didn't hit her. And the shield didn't get destroyed because of the robot. The robot just pushed it down, it was the fact that violet passed out that broke the shield
Steph. Maeby. But think of this. The robot could bounce the shield with his... "hands". But Bob stoped the full force in flat. Either way, he is stronger.
Obviously, the most incredible superhero has got to be Frozone and his super suit
StickMaster500 But where is it?
WHERES MY SUPER SUIT
StickMaster500 what!?!?!?
WHERES MY SUPER SUIT!!
He can’t find it, tho :/
What if Dash is tapping into the speedforce, considering he doesn't send a huge gust of wind when running to the front of the room and back, essentially putting the Incredibles in the Justice League universe? Just a loooooong stretch but could make a cool theory.
0:14.
The moment that after all these years you find out the audio used in that moment is from Boomstick announcing death battle in the Goku versus Superman part 2 video
Well Elasta girl was wearing her super suit which is "completly bullet proof" and can withstand missile Soooooo that may not be her strength
Andrew Goode I thought that first too but the blast force would push her "parachute" together. Holding it up like that must have been her own strength? Or have I missed something?
Pretty sure she isn't known for deflecting shrapnel
Andrew Goode good point
what? no she turns into a ball to shield her kids using the suit then passes out. After that she turns into a parachute after she wakes up mid air.
And AND that wasn’t a boing it was a privet jet
Regarding the Mr. Incredible stopping the train, maybe he just didn't want to kill anybody on the train with a sudden deadly stop. Also the concrete was giving away at feet, causing him to slide.
Royal Tyger's Media this
It would also be physically impossible to exert a higher amount of force then he did, because it was perpendicular to the ground, meaning the only force he could rely on to bring it to a stop was friction.
Clever, although if that was the case then why did he struggle?
Good physics
By the amount of force he calculated used to stop the train, and the sliding force, Mr incredibal would be theoretically able to lift a volcano
12:29 teacher be throwin it back though
Did anyone notice that when he was talking about dash and the clip of him putting a tack on the teachers chair (the clip was played nonstop) the teacher looked like he was doing the dirty......
If mr incredible saw this he would say “MATH IS MATH AND THIS IS NO MATH”
True XD
WHY DID THEY CHANGE MATHS?
@@Punk-possum MATH IS MATH!
Hahahha
Now it’s 270 likes :///
Imagine how Edna feels about the capes incident.
She clearly remembers the date of when it happened, where it happened and who it happened to of all the cape incidents, meaning it had to be a traumatic experience.
Imagine the guilt of knowing that 5 people died. (Idk how many it’s been a while)
Imagine the guilt of knowing they died in suits you created.
Now imagine the guilt of knowing that they died because of a certain design you used.
No wonder she lives in an entire mansion alone, isolated from everyone but her customers.
Dam that is...TRAUMATIC
Damn, this just got dark
cool you also read stuff on the internet
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Lolbit Productions and the worst part was that the deaths were brutal!!!!
I read this in an article somewhere so I'm not sure if it's true, but when the hysterical strength thing occurs, the human body's perception of how dangerous it would be to use that kind of power disappears.Often resulting to muscle related injury after they literally lift a car to save their children or whatever.
Violet definitely is the strongest because in the second movie she literally make as force field to protect her family on a boat that’s about to crash onto the shore and her family doesn’t even have a scratch on them!