@@louminouz she was to rapunzel The supposed point of a twist villain is that looks can be deceiving and bad people don't always go about boasting about how evil they are. Mother Gothel gets this across because while RAPUNZEL trusts her, the AUDIENCE knows that she's actually the villain. The twist isn't for you, it's for Rapunzel
Paulik Shmaulik ah yes that makes sense. Tho actual twist villians in theory are also meant to shock the audience. Gothel may have the concept of a twist done right (aka bad people dont announce how evil they are) shes not exactly a fair example since shes not really a twist villian.
@@louminouz I wonder if OP is trying to say that Gothel is a star example of having a *complex* villain without resorting to her being a *twist* villain. Gothel is obviously evil without being cartoonish villainous. She's also a great example of a strong FEMALE villain, because she achieves villainy through her feminine attributes (maternal manipulation and such).
what would have been even more intriguing, is if gothel had just waited, and approached The king and queeen and explained the situation, referencing the fact that the flower is hers, and that it was found with a basket near it. i wonder how that would go down. because the king anand queen didnt know gothel was the kidnapper, she wouldve had a clean slate to attempt reason
I really like Coco’s twist villain because as far as Ernesto knows, that’s still his grandkid and he’s totally willing to fucking kill him because it suits him. Wack.
He only decided to kill Miguel because he exposed him and that he killed hector for his music. Ernesto had a huge reputation when he was alive and he still kept that reputation even in death and he wasn’t about to let the grandkid of his friend tell everyone he was a murderer all along
I saw hector being miguel's ancestor a mile away but didn't see the ernesto twist coming. the fact that he would willingly kill his descendant (at the time he still thought miguel is) is so chilling and his motives create such a tragic outcome for miguel's family
@@phuongbach3864 I feel like there's a possibility that Ernesto knew Miguel wasn't his descendant, but instead just used him to gain more popularity. I don't know, it seems plausible
Disney : We love our villains! Disney channel : We made the villains have children! Disney plus : We made a short about it! Pixar : We made twist villains! Modern dis nee : *What villains?*
My mom said she always suspected Hans would be a villain since he said "I have 12 older brothers, two of which pretended I was invisible, literally, for years." Which is about the only indication that he might be a bad guy, but it's there and at least someone picked up on it, because I didn't.
@@iwakeupandboomimarat Even though he's a prince, he has so many older siblings that he'll never inherit anything from his parents. He'll be lucky if he's even allowed to stay in the castle if one of his meaner brothers claims the Throne.
I guessed from when he sung that song with Anna. I had just finished watching some film theory so my senses were on high alert and when I noticed that him and Anna weren't in full sync during the song I thought he might have alternative motives and was just letting Anna hear whatever she wanted to. watching film theory makes me overanalyze whatever I watch after it.
I'm not a fan of the songs generally anyway. That first third or so of Frozen is so musical it's pretty much an opera and I don't like it. But they could always do a villain song when the twist is revealed. That's no more stupid than the placement of any other song.
The setup for the twist was absolutely amazing. The deliberate choice to leave Hector’s face out of the picture and to have him wear the same suit as Ernesto, the guitar, the similarities between him and Miguel, even that montage of them interacting. Then to reveal him to be a cold blooded murderer who sacrificed his own best friend for fame and fortune was just- It SHOOK me man.
That’s true unfortunately. A lot assume you are fake for being kind and showing sympathy. Obviously it’s dangerous to use that as a personality to deceive people but I do feel like us humans lack compassion towards each other 🤷🏽♀️
@@syra1541 but you have to admit no matter how hard Disney tries, by trying to be unpredictable they end up More predictable. And people who say the renaissance had a"formula"they always had different lesson and characters to deliver it.
How to pinpoint a Disney twist villain: 1) Notice the nice but useless character is getting more screentime than a useless but nice character needs. 2) Wait the entire movie for the reveal.
Big Hero 6 could have been a bit better if Callaghan had a moment of shock after he was told Tadashi died. He seemed to genuinely care about Tadashi at first.
And if early in the movie it was revealed that other man who "killed" Abgail actually was the cause of the fire, even if it was accidental, and Callaghan be like "one more reason to get revenge >:("
Wait, hold up, didn't he? I remember the movie like this: Found out that the brother died because he tried to save him and then the villain being in shock, before blurting out that it was the brother's own fault. Kinda deflecting blame. Or maybe that is what the German voice actors did. Hard to tell if it is different in the English version as I haven't seen it.
Even the infamous "That was his mistake" could be the slightest bit impactful if directed properly. Have Callaghan react in shock, but silently consider the scene before him and his lifegoal for a few seconds, harden his heart and his expression, and boom. "That was his mistake." You can make a character irredeemable while also having them portray actual brain activity and emotion.
But If the plot twist is that it has no twists then that means it has twists but if it has twists that means that not having plot twists is no longer a plot twist... AHHHHHH
Exactly, if I were an evil supervillain that planned to exploit animal racism to get what I wanted then I simply wouldn't have the patience to act nice all the time for almost no reason
Zypper Yes- why couldn’t they make a scene where lamb girl complains about her job with the MCs but says “ I’m trying to stay positive because in the end it will be worth it” before MCs can question it lamb is already gone
One thing I found interesting about Inside Out is that I predicted Bing Bong to be the villain as soon as I saw him. He just had that vibe about him. But then..."Take her to the moon for me..."
Same! I thought he was the villain from the beginning, so when he died and still wasn’t the villain I wasn’t even affected by his death because I never made a good connection with him since I thought he was gonna be evil
To be honest, I would count Syndrome more as a villain rather than a twist villain, with the prologue of the movie being pretty much part of his backstory.
Well Syndrome is just a villain with a twist attached to him, he is pretty clearly introduced as a villain, although the mysterious employer being evil isn't stated, we just know something is going on, the twist is that it's Buddy, someone that idolized supers, in particular Mr. Incredible.
as a kid, king candy’s “twist” was horrifying. seeing him switch back and forward between his king “form” to his racer “form” gave me nightmares for at least a week.
They did a great job with Turbo/King Candy. For all the reasons you mentioned, but also because due to him already being a pretty obvious villain, you kind of just... don't expect the huge plot Twist of him actually being Turbo. King Candy being the villain and therefore the obstacle is already established, so to have that EXTRA amazing reveal is fantastic.
I want to add to this a year later: I still believe this strongly, but I have more to add. It also worked because Turbo is an established character. He's had an impact we know about on our heros of the story, and has had negative impact on their world. You have an idea of who he is and WHY he’s bad, and when he’s revealed, we have an even more established character we’ve grown to know--king candy--to put all these 'crimes' to as well. Anyone can reveal a villain that's just against the heros motives because you need one, like Hans. But it takes good writing to make one we care about and get to know personally through our main characters we follow.
actually, hans was thrown in last minute. Elsa was originally supposed to be the villain but after let it go, disney decided that it didn't sound like a villain's song
Elsa was supposed to be shown as the villian but Hans was still the villian in the original and then Elsa would be revealed to actually not be evil REVERSE SUPRISE VILLIAN
If Han said something like “She’s the one” at the beginning of the movie instead of just smiling it could’ve hinted that she was the one he was after. And if they added more ‘hints’ that could be interpreted as foreshadowing in a second watch the twist would make more sense.
Same. Honestly I think Hans would’ve worked better as a villain if he was the type where you knew he’s a bad person but most of the characters don’t until he reveals to them.
Nah, just have Hans explain to Anna that he’s kinda a spare at home and maybe have him become angrily frustrated for a moment before Anna calms him down. Have him become instantly cheerful again afterwards, hinting that he’s putting on an act. Maybe have him ask her a bunch about Elsa and kinda dismiss Anna at first? Like, he wants to befriend Anna through his backstory so that he can get close to the reclusive Queen, but he dismisses Anna’s romantic talk because he wants the throne, not a Princess. You could have him go after Elsa until it’s revealed that she has powers, at which point he latched onto Anna and even went after Elsa with her. You could show his facade breaking throughout the movie. Later on, have him go more in-depth to his backstory as he reveals that he doesn’t love Anna. He wants a throne and he can’t get one at home, so he wanted Elsa’s instead. After Elsa was a flop, he decided to tag along to get rid of Elsa while securing Anna and playing the brave hero. That would make his betrayal that much more stinging.
That is quite true. If they had just given Hans some more foreshadowing so we could be clued in, then I think he would’ve been a successful twist villain
Elsa from Frozen was originally supposed to be the villain in the movie. When creators and/or directors decided to make the movie more on sisterly love because they thought it would be a more compelling and heartwarming story, they made Hans the villain at the last minute and created Kristoff. Anna was supposed to be with Hans and since Hans was now the villain the creators and/or directors created Kristoff because "Anna had to have a love interest."
As a kid I got more of a sense that elsa was the villain and not hans. I mean her parents neglected her and isolated her. They reacted to her powers by trying to cover it up and put on a fake smile. They let fear control them. Maybe they should have allowed her to practice her power in secret and still live a normal life. So then she wouldn't hate her parents and become a villain because nobody seemed to accept her as a child. But somehow she managed to pull through all that, nothing short of a miracle. Because it doesn't seem likely.
when i watched frozen as a kid, i didn't even realise hans was the villain 😭 whenever i thought of who the villain was, i just thought, "wait wasn't elsa the villain?"
She was originally going to be the villain until the people working on the film heard Let it Go for the first time and they were totally mesmerized by it, so they rewrote her to be a heroine.
Also if Disney just wanted a villain to make this harder for the protagonists then why not have the Duke of Weselton since he's already trying to kill Elsa
That would have been great yeah much better thank what they had done now And about the "too complicated for children" argument: I don't think so. It's not a difficult concept. What they did now was too complicated, I was 13 when Frozen came out and when Hans did a full 180 I didnt even understand what was happening. Children aren't super stupid, they can understand a lot of 'difficult' concepts If Hans had kissed Anna and it didn't work bc it just wasnt true love Hans goes like "maybe true love wasn't the key, but maybe killing Elsa will safe you" Since Anna knows the trolls said true love would help, she's against it and hes like "Anna, this clearly didn't work. Stay here until I've taken care of this" and locked her in bc even if it isn't true love, he likes her a lot and is desperate to safe her. She's all like no and yk like in the movies tries to get out and no one hears her. Then the movie just progresses like it did before just with slightly different dialogue. (Olaf: "what about Hans?" Anna: "That wasn't true love. It didn't work") (Elsa: "where's Anna?" Hans: "she's dying because of you") And then obviously Anna saves Elsa and the spell is broken. Hans wasn't just evil, he had been desperate to safe Anna and everything would have made more sense. Now it just kinda felt like Disney was like "hmm we like Kristoff better lets get Hans out of the way" but Hans turning evil out of nowhere just didn't work
I think the reason why Hans is not a good twist villain because I believe his ORIGINAL character wasn't supposed to be a villain, it was supposed to be ELSA. The whole plot just got changed because of "Let It Go" and they tried so hard to bring back Elsa as a good person and let Hans become the bad guy. They changed the whole original plot all of a sudden because of one song and it made the quality of the story go down. But that's just my opinion :/
Pretty much. They remade the plot to make Elsa an antihero but didn't actually change enough of it to move away from the final confrontation (where in the older drafts Elsa would've been defeated there to fulfill a prophecy).
@@AllenTheAnimator004 That too. Why they do, I have no idea. It can't be just because of Idina Menzel, because she's made several other songs that are actually good (do I need to mention Defying Gravity?). And it can't be just because it's about self-empowerment, because there are several other songs, from Disney and other artists, that have that same theme (Go the Distance from Hercules, for example). So why do people love Let It Go so much?!
"twist" villians are rly good when you already know theyre an enemy. When they already straddle that line, it doesn't feel forced or disappointing, but it's still exciting. Like someone else said, Mother Gothel is a great example. She's not a twist villian to us, but she is to the characters. And she's a really good and realistic villian: degrading and disrespecting rapunzel throughout the entirety of the film, until she finally goes full cruelty and puts rapunzel in chains.
This line of thinking reminds me of something Alfred Hitchcock said. If you let the audience see the bomb under the table without the characters seeing it, the tension in the scene goes waaay up.
That's pretty much been my thoughts about twists. If the point is to surprise the audience, as soon as they guess/hear about it, its kinda pointless. If the twist has like an effect on the world and stuff, then if it's good, it'll be interesting to watch it play out regardless of if anyone guessed it.
as a quote I once found on pintrest said, "A good twist villian doesn't trick the audicene. A good twist villian enhances the story and adds to the narrative."
I think a good villain can even trick or let's say, "challenge" the audience but definitely not like these twist characters shown in the video. I.e. let's show that the character is evil but also in some parts seems to be good or their motives are controvertial - not like here where a good character suddenly turns out to be a villain "just like that", from 0 to 100 in one second.
Lydia Hanger Yes but we're talking about kid movies. Let's leave those confusing villains to the ones who can identify who's in the wrong without being told
@@suwenxxer I believe in kids movies we can have not-so-obvious villains, too. The example of Syndrome proves it, he has some good reasons to be mad at the MC and kids can get it. And he's cool with cool gadgets, it's hard to really not like him. Of cource such character should be easy enough to figure out - kids can get a good life lessons by judging such characters on screen, like "don't trust every nice person, they may want to hurt you", easy stuff like that. And parents could always talk with their kids and explain things if there are some doubts, another good occasion for them to learn something new and to share their opinions - and a good time for these parents to shape their kids' beliefes in a correct direction.
I loved the first one. Went in expecting the sequel to be mediocre but enjoyable. Was not expecting it to be flat-out awful and cringy. When your movie can be compared to the emoji move, you've made some bad decisions on a fundamental level.
This video is the source for so much of Schaffrillas running jokes, video tone, and general style and flair. It's such a fun watch with so many great lines and really good points. I think it was my first Schaffrillas video, and it definitely is the purest of his entire channel in terms of encapsulating his style.
DIdn't they rewrite Frozen at the last minute and that's why they had to suddenly make Hans a villian, which is why there's no indication of him being a villian beforehand?
Apart from the twist villain, I actually like Big Hero 6. The person at Disney who made that decision may have ruined the ending to that movie, but... That was his mistake
i think they learned from yokai being a terrible villain bc he actually tries to redeem himself in the now cancelled series, and the series itself focuses on new but much better villains
i wake up and boom im a rat As a fan of the series, I can indeed verify this statement. Obake and Di were way better villains than Callaghan, my personal fave being Obake.
I could've forgiven Hans if he had just made a reference to "Love is an Open Door" while abandoning Anna. Anna: "I trusted you! I thought you loved me!" Hans: "Hahahahaha... no. After all, love *is* an open door." *The door slams shut.*
The great thing about King Candy, what makes him work so well as a twist villain, is you could have made him not be a villain without changing anything about his motives, personality, or any of the events of the movie up to the reveal. You could have played him straight where he's the eccentric, if a bit crabby and out-of-place, Willy-Wonka-style ruler of Sugar Rush, who was only defensive toward Ralph because he genuinely did fear the guy was going Turbo, and who genuinely was trying to keep Vanellope from racing so she didn't threaten the game world and herself. The movie could have had them team up to fight the Cybugs, ended with her winning the race to his horror, the gamers loving her for her glitching ability, him learning he was wrong, and the three of them walking of into the sunset holding hands each having learned a valuable lesson. That would have been a perfectly natural ending. So it makes perfect sense that Ralph actually trusts him enough to sabotage Vanellope's cart and leave, with it only being pure luck that he learns he's been lied to.
Most of these 'twist' villains aren't twists, they are expectations subverted. Twists you can rewatch the movie and pick out instances of foreshadowing, Disney went "oh shit, we need a villain, let's make him the villain" halfway through
Which is my problem with some of Disney's twist villains: In stories with emotionally compelling storylines, there's no need for a villain yet Disney puts villains into the storyline.
I just think the foreshadowing are just too obvious sometimes, like with the prince in Frozen. Never bought the "I'm gonna marry this guy I just met today" thing, he was obviously ill-intended
If Hans had wanted Elsa dead, he could have just let Weasltown's goons shoot her with their crossbows. Instead, he throws himself at the dude to save her. Film Theory's proposal that the Trolls bewitched Hans makes a ton more narrative sense.
Yeah it kinda make more sense that the theory of the trolls being the villain instead of Hans. And if it were the villain there are too many opportunities to make the two suffer and make himself the king but it's just wasted.
I guess that's could be the next sequel, just for the main plot for kristoff for knowing the truth Maybe another sub plot is kristoff knowing that anna already been spelled
I was completely baffled by Waternoose's twist villain though, throughout half of the movie he's seen as desperate to help charge the city. But all the other monsters suck and aren't scary and he just seemed like the protagonist because of how friendly he came off and how much of a father figure he acted towards Sullivan. But the twist of how he became so desperate that he would've kidnapped 1000 children to keep the businesses going, is a complete twist to me. And even though he was a twist villain, he still, kept his father figure-ish personality saying that Sullivan was better than Randall. And another thing monsters inc did was add a main villain AKA Randall so you wouldn't expect Waternoose to be the main one since disney hasn't done that a lot and theirs normally one main villain throughout any disney movie. (idk it makes since why Waternoose was a good twist villain to me)
i would like more of twist villains that weren't "evil the whole time" but were pushed into it/driven to it over the course of the movie; we don't see that a lot in kid's movies
Rourke was doing what was normal for society and even what the hero Milo was doing - plundering dead civilizations (and some living ones as well) for valuables and curiousities. The twist works because Milo learned that it was wrong and harmful to take the Heart away, whereas Rourke not only doubles down on his greed, but he already about the Heart before Milo and withheld the information, and may have known that the Atlanteans were still alive and brought all his weapons along.
The thing that makes me mad about Hans being a twist villain is that... that plan wouldn't work. Royalty doesn't work that way. If a monarch dies, it goes to the next BLOOD relative, not the monarch's spouse. To make it worse, being royalty himself, HANS SHOULD KNOW THIS. Nothing about Hans being evil makes sense.
Except that in this time period, the kingdom is passed down to the king. If there is no king in said bloodline, then to the queen. But should the Queen marry, all of a sudden that power goes to the spouse. Also, Elsa was in exile, and Anna was thought dead. So, Anna was acting queen, making Hans acting King.
I feel like Ernesto was the only good surprise villain because he was never introduced as "good" he was just introduced as this perfect handsome musician. He never said he was a hero or in any way good, and that's why I like his surprise reveal
But he was shown as a hero, people looked up to him and he even played the hero in his movies, like the one where he uses the plot of how he killed his best friend, its dark but in a good way.
Also, I like the subtle way that we're told just how self-absorbed Ernesto truly is. He is surprised to have a great great grandson, but he accepts it as plausible, meaning he was hitting 'n quitting without a second thought about any children he may have fathered. And this is even in a world were Ernesto would be able to speak with any potential baby-mamas, lol. This tells us he essentially doesn't interact with any of the people he knew during his mortal life.
The thing that annoys me the most about twist villiains, is the fact so many writers think a twist villain can only be the main villian. I think twist villains work better when there a minion because it will ensure that their can still be a consistent threat throughout a story.
I just hate the fact that both movies share the same type of plot twist where the person they’re working for ends up being the villain they’re fighting against
Hans and Chelsea from Ruby Gillman… two twist villains that were actually cool and likable but then got screwed over because “those weren’t their true personalities”.
Ernesto de la Cruz is LITERALLY the ONLY good twist-villian. The presentation, the payoff, the backstory? Its the only good one. And Hector is the only "twist-goofy-character-turned-good-guy" ive really ever seen. Hes tragic but goofy at the same time, and it works so well in tandem with ernestos reveal. My favorite pixar film, favorite pixar villian. Edit: And Ernestos version of "Remember Me" may be the most goddamn tragic villian song when you consider what it was REALLY meant to represent.
@@PasCone103Z Syndrome is fantastic of course, but I'm mainly talkin about modern twist villians in disney and pixar. Ernesto is the only one that has a chance to LIVE UP to someone like Syndrome.
Oh yeah, it was insanely well-executed. Plus he didn't really have an evil scheme at all. He'd already committed the crime and gotten away with it, and everything he did afterwards was him covering it up. I don't know, it makes him more realistic somehow
Foreshadowing is something I think is necessary for villains. Even a slight hint that the viewer might miss will be helpful. Ex: the villain is revealed and the viewer can look back and go “ohhhh”
Mars exactly! A good twist villain catches you off guard the first time and seems almost obvious the second time once you pick up on all the foreshadowing.
Yes!! But I’ll give a pass to Hans exclusively because I am usually very good at predicting both villains and endings in movies, it’s a weird talent of mine, but Hans was the only plot twist to take me by surprise that I can remember. I’ve otherwise never had that *GASP* moment. Disney has overused it so much that I can tell the Most irrelevant and/or friendly character is villainous.
Yeah, Callahan actually does have this kind of subtle foreshadowing. When Krei tries to buy the Microbots, Callahan steps in and says "I wouldn't trust Krei with your Microbots... Or anything else" in a very bitter tone. This shows that he has a vendetta against Krei, and thus it makes sense why he's a villain in hindsight.
Foreshadowing is always necessary for plot twist villains, not any villain. Frollo and Ursula are some of the best villains and they don't need foreshadowing because they're evil from the beginning.
I feel like they should’ve written Hans to actually seem manipulative and toxic like in real life, and since Anna hasn’t interacted with anyone in years it would be perfect, since she wouldn’t be able to notice the red flags. Make it so Hans character would be suspicious. after Elsa leaves, he roams around the castle suspiciously (maybe to look for something to use against Anna or Elsa or better figure out Elsa’s power) making subtle passive aggressive comments about Elsa to Anna, to turn Anna against her, and make her believe Hans more than Elsa. And this would spark some arguments between Anna and Elsa when Anna finds her (with the help of kristoff), Elsa would accidentally give Anna a frozen Heart. Hans having set this up, would just have to kill Elsa and marry Anna, or turn the people against Elsa by saying Elsa intentionally killed Anna via the frozen heart. Then he would become king. However, we want the heros to win, so kid of like in the movie, Anna saves Elsa after seeing Hans about to kill Elsa (maybe even kills Hans, I mean tangled went there with mother gothel), or Anna is found alive, or escapes somehow, and once the people realize this, they turn on Hans for lying.
That would've been way better than deciding that the ONE time it makes sense for a protagonist to immediately get engaged, they'll do a running gag where every character calls Anna dumb for doing so. She was completely isolated and literally had one (1) day to establish any sort of social connection - not to mention her behavior isn't that strange for someone who grew up with abusive/neglectful parents. (Plus, it's kind of Anna's whole job as princess to net a politically advantageous marriage with another royal???) Having Hans actually act like a villain would make for a much better story, and force the writers to follow through on their setup of how bad Anna and Elsa's childhoods were.
Noo that's already common in movies. In real life the worst people are the ones who do such a good job at pretending to be kind. Anna is a princess, it isn't that surprising for someone to find the motivation to do a REALLY convincing job at pretending to be nice to her.
The ones who slip up and expose their evil side are easier to deal with. There are people who are two faced but hide their evil side really well. We feel unnerved about not knowing or having a reasonable build up to him being a villain. But in real life you obviously don't akways see the dark thoughts of an evil person. Ted Bundy seemed charming and harmless to his victims. The Japanese cannabal ate the woman who was so kind to him...Serial killers, rapists, human traffickers...Just because you try to be fair or reasonable to others doesn't mean they will to you. I know most people aren't this evil and crazy...but who are we kidding, there are still so many of them to this day, the ones caught and in the news aren't even half of them.
@@nonaau4791 yes but in movies like those, where they do that realistic kind of portrayal of how good people can be at cover up, I feel like you get to see what this character does throughout. Like in YOU, this dude is always so nice and covers up so much of his murders, but we always see what he’s doing behind the scenes, locking his own girlfriend up and killing her. We get to see what or how they might be covering things up. In this movie there is nothing at all indicating Hans is the bad guy. He just appears at the start, and all of a sudden at the end said “welp guess it’s time to be evil” at the end. We don’t see him do anything throughout the movie. We don’t even see him have to cover up anything. It just doesn’t make sense for him to be evil. In this movie I said it wouldn’t be too easy to notice the slip ups since both the girls have been isolated for their entire lives. Anna literally still has that child mentality at the start that she’s gonna make so many friends. Like it’s the first day of kindergarten.
Otto is one of my favorite villains due simply to the fact he's an accurately depiction of a robot. He was following his programming and still obeyed the laws of robotics. Namely making sure he doesn't get anyone hurt. By letting the people free they'd die.
@@louminouz Yeah, her character feels kinda forced by the subtle nods at being viewed as a lowly secretary who caters to a carnivore with authority. Although it's something, it's really not the strongest case for her turn into a fascist looking to incarcerate all carnivores.
Personally I wish they hadn’t made everything before the almost-kiss a façade. That made it so they basically had to re-establish Hans near the end of the movie. I think the “don’t rush into serious relationships” message would’ve stuck much more if Hans rlly was into Anna, but had a darker side shown near the end. Not a “twist” or a “villain reveal” just smth in a scene that makes Anna think “wow I rlly don’t know this guy” and question her decision to marry him :0
I actually believe that Hans himself never was a villain. Hear me out: We learn in the beginning of Frozen that the trolls have the ability to control people's memories and thus, their behavior. We can also deduce that they've lived in Arendale for MUCH longer than the humans but at some point, humans took over the country and basically banished the trolls into hiding. Now, suddenly the princess of Arendale comes along and catches the hots for their adopted son. Problem? She's already in a relationship with another dude. Also, she has an older sister who will claim the throne before her. So what do the trolls do? Well, remember the musical scene? They'll "take the fiancée away" - they manipulate Hans into turning evil so that he not only kills Elsa, making Anna the next in line for the throne, but also Anna breaks up with him and gets together with Kristof so that he, and by proxy his adoptive troll family, will rule Arendale. The worst part? As the trolls put it, the mind can be convinced, the heart not so much. So Hans is probably caught in his body, still madly in love with Anna, unable to control his own actions and forced to watch as his own manipulated mind makes him do evil shit. So, yeah, I believe Hans genuinely isn't evil on his own - the trolls are.
i actually think hans would make a good king. anytime he's with the people or the court of the country, he is clearly a leader. when anne leaves to find elsa, he takes charge, he cares for the people, and when the two sisters are gone he takes care of the country in eternal winter just fine. _of course_ he tried to kill elsa, he thinks she's a bad person who has terrifying supernatural powers and cast eternal winter over the country and made snow monsters. i think he would've actually made a good husband for anna, they really had chemistry at the start. i also think neither of the sisters were emotionally or mentally available to rule a country at the start. i don't know, the direction they took with their characters just feel really forced.
I agree the crab is indeed superior. He has *GOLD* as camouflage. The whole point of camouflage is to be subtle but my man TAMATOA uses drip to hide. *AMAZING* .
That and the line "I've been searching my whole life to find my own place," he waves his hand out the window towards a view of the kingdom. That right there was my big, red flag.
Jack Kemp When he proposed I knew he was bad. Surely he couldn’t be that stupid to marry someone he just met (especially a princess) if he didn’t have any sort of other plans. I was like “he’s not serious right?” when I first watched it.
My 11-year-old sister figured out Evelyn because she's the only Incredibles character to swear. I know it's dumb but if you think about it she's not entirely wrong.
disney could’ve made elsa struggle with grief and wanting to be accepted, so the let it go sequence would actually make sense, but she doesn’t actually know *how* to use her powers in order to feel free, so the whole time she spends at the ice castle she resents her parents for making her hide her powers thus making her unable to fully explore them and control them when needed. we could’ve had a similar « spiraling into madness » case as jinx does in arcane, since they have similar core needs that aren’t met, leading them to feeling frustrated, hurt and misunderstood. the fact that elsa mistakingly and unknowingly casted an eternal winter that she doesn’t know how to undo could’ve been a great way to enhance the resentment she feels towards her parents and the shame that comes with it would explain any aggressive/defensive behavior she could’ve exhibited. keep in mind that i’m going for the original snowqueen story, hence why all the elements of disney’s story should act as catalysts for her becoming a villain. anyway, elsa freezes her sister’s heart and learns later that she’d died from it, after hans tried in fact to kiss her but failed to undo the curse and lashing out at anna who suffers a slow, painful and very tragic death. hans then does in fact try to kill elsa for obvious reasons, nit that he actually loved anna but in order to make a good impression on the people and hopefully being seen as a good replacement king. he then goes on to blame elsa for her sister’s death and basically everyone just blames her making her feel extremely cornered in a situation where she has yet to process the fact that her sister died. she could then breakdown or lash out hurting/killing many pol in the process, because she CAN’T CONTROL HER POWER and ends up feeling like shit, being even more hated and feared, and after running away to another location, where she builds a new castle that would LOOK like someone who just lived through a horrible event built it, trying to recollect herself and process things, but every time she does that she breaks down so her only coping mechanism is to repress whatever emotions she is feeling as to not cast an endless winter on the whole entire world, but add to that all the nightmares, hallucinations of all the ppl she knew, creepy shadows and the voice from the second movie which could’ve been A HUGE contribution to her slow madness spiral, then ppl could try hunting her down again which only increases her anxiety and fear of hurting others and ends up hurting ppl in the process…but like elsa never actually worked on her emotions or processed any of them then at some point she could just, accept that she is the bad guy after all, and that she wants to discover her powers so she doesn’t care what happens after all, which worsens the winter and makes more and more ppl hate her and go after her. then you’d have a somewhat close replica to the original snow queen, plus some badly managed trauma responses and symptoms. she’d then start doing whatever she wants on impulse and doesn’t care about the consequences anymore, basically your typical villain that couldn’t been avoided have some ppl kept their mouths shut. imagine if after a while, elsa stops being scared of the voice from the second movie and tries finding out who it is, but instead of the closure she gets in the original sequel, this time all of her trauma resurfaces forcing her to face it but instead of working that out but she doesn’t like that so she destroys the cave thing etc…i can see why disney couldn’t adapt this for a kid’s movie
Technically Syndrome is still a twist villain bc the “twist” was that his company turned out to be against supers. Much like King Candy/Turbo, the “reveal” is more abt his identity than his intentions. His character didn’t flip on a dime like many twist villains, but I’d still classify him as one. At least a distant cousin
I think the best Pixar villain is the lamp he just straight up murders the _i_ and gets away with it by becoming the _i_ and it falls into an amazing conflict and story.
I would’ve rewritten Professor K to be unaware of Tadashi’s death and have a moment of weakness. That way he can be more human and dimensional and maybe in that weakness he breaks down and he works with Hiro and the others to get Abigail back in a better way. So it’s still defeating the villain but in a less violent way.
same, like when hiro told him that tadashi died because of the fire he started, i expected professor k to be shocked and go silent for a moment to process what hiro said, him and tadashi were very close and they gave off a father-son relationship but the movie literally brushes that away and makes professor k look like a heartless piece of shit
Agreed. Tadashi wasn't just some student, he was literally his pride and joy. Having that nuance in him, that regret, could actually build a better case for WHY his friends stop him from killing the Professor. Of course it would also involve rewriting the end fight so he's not just a one-dimensional villain but it would make a better plot.
18:20 I think what she was trying to do was KEEP superheroes illegal. Winston was getting close to relegalizing superheroes. She couldn't just make a superhero fail at their job, because someone would succeed somewhere else. Making them revolt would keep anyone from ever wanting to do it again.
I just wish they had kept the original cyberpunk dystopia storyboard. I get it, though. Every time Disney tried to experiment, (Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Tomorrowland), it ended it financial disaster.
Shocking does not equal good. Turbo's sideplot has practically zero relevance to the rest of the story, it was shoved into the script _after_ the king was made into the obligatory villain, not the other way around.
@@yarpen26 isn't his relevance tied to Penelope's character? because Turbo wanted to keep playing a racing game, he took the place of Penelope, turning her into a glitch, which motivates her to win the preliminatory races, and the only reason she can't is because King Candy is afraid of what would happen to him if she does. Him being Turbo explain King Candy's antagonism. the plot could work with Penelope just being a scrapped character, and the other characters not allowing her to participate could be a normal fear (you know, the excuse King Candy gives Ralph to not help her), but i can see why the writers choose to make Turbo an actual character.
@@photogenicBlur I can kinda see what they were going for but srsly I dont really see a reason to have turbo in the game just have king candy continue to be a crazed lunatic and he could be an even better Disney type villain
@@huntercorrales6794 The entire purpose in the Turbo/King Candy story was to create that fear of the broken game/unplugging. King Candy just being himself and wanting to rule isn't powerful enough because Vanelope didn't even care about ruling over Sugar Rush. She would have probably let him. But the fear of Vanelope being a glitch, causing the game to be unplugged, and her being trapped/deleted is a real fear in this world. For Turbo's plan to work, he has to chameleon his way into Sugar Rush and make sure Vanelope Never wins thus resetting the game. Also, her being a glitch causes her to be the ultimate lonely character. Ralph and Turbo have sad backstories but they were free to leave their games. Vanelope was forever stuck in a world where everyone disliked her. There's never a pointless moment/detail in a properly written story.
Yeah but most of his examples are important characters that "twist" towards the end. We didn't see him as a "good guy" throughout the film like the rest of the villains. He just shows up later.
I’m surprised that no one mentioned the bowler hat guy from Meet the Robinsons. That movie is so underrated and, in my opinion, a good plot twist villain
Bad Twist villain: A good guy that magically turns evil Good Twist villain: A bad guy that pretended to be good for his plan to work Great Twist villain: A guy that had shared ideals with the main characters but further these ideals due to some event, and their actions are 100% logical in his/her mindset
@@Mysteri0usChannel I don't mean the anti-hero that is clear to see. More like a good guy along the team that helps the hero, "betrays" him at the end and uses the archievement of overthrowing the evil to fullfil his own "evil" plan. Example: The heroes managed to prevent the destruction of their planet by stealing a superweapon - the hero wants to destroy it but the twisted villain wants to use it to dominate others so he betrays the hero at the end. Thinking only total dominance could save his home the new villain is ready to destroy everything in his path.
King Candy/Turbo is kind of special in that he's more of a "surprise, i'm not this antagonist, i was actually THIS antagonist the whole time". It does let him keep his character, and it doesn't throw out any of the character development and the character he shows us, we just kinda know why he's as insane as he is.
17:34 i suppose he just wanted for the public to think he was dead and hiro's invention was destroyed in the process as well, so nobody would suspect him to be a masked guy nor looking for him and nanobots idk
God, with Zootopia they were so close. Like, all they had to do was have her be the exact same, except when she was with both Nick and Judy, have her be nice and bubbly to Judy, but either awkward, scared, or aloof with Nick, to at least allude she feels differently about predators/prey. Nothing too heavy handed or obvious, no major scene changes or additions, just a tiny change in interaction with a single character would've been more than enough.
I remember trying to justify Hans as a twist villain by discovering the very details of why he is written this way and it kind of works. But the fact that I needed to really observe the story and make an explanation out of obscure and over-looked/under-played details in the first place is just really bullshit on itself.
Yep. All Hans had to do was let the crossbow hit Elsa and the end. Line of succession held, winter is over because the caster is dead. So why didn’t he? Bad writing and a huge plot hole.
well, obwiously, you need a vewy high iq in order to understand the intricacies of royal political standoffs. [translation: let's kill the royals. then the land will be easy pickings]
SpongeBobDisneyMarioFan3715 Think about it. If Matt Damon directed the whole show in-universe, he put Arthur in every crappy situation that happens to him, as part of the show
SouprSpookr2020 Matt Damon uses his powers to control all the people Arthur encounters when he gets in bad situations to make sure Arthur will never eat lunch in his town again.
Dream Productions He will make sure everyone starves to death. He will eat all the food in only one bite just like Kirby. SpongeBob, Moana, Arthur, and Will Smith Fish are the only ones who can stop him.
I said this on another video: how was Callaghan able to build a portal using the microbots if he most likely didn’t know how to build a portal from memory? If the microbots are like a genie that can build literally anything you want, he could make a “god machine” that makes himself basically God, letting him take over the universe, subject Krei to incomprehensible pain, and bring his…daughter…back yeah you see the problem here?
@@starrysymphonies Yeah, that’s a good point. Though, Cray’s experiment was the first portal ever made in that world, so I don’t see how Callaghan would know how to build the portal from scratch by himself.
Well, whatever happens, there will always be one animated villain in the modern age with clear motivations, an iconic, menacing presence throughout his whole story, and a general abstinence from needlessly trying to pull the rug out from under the audience: That is of course Oscar the Shark Slayer.
Honestly yeah, like even as it was happening I just like didn’t believe it, like my mind just siding process it because it was that stupid and nonsensical
When I originally watched the movie, I was too dumb to know he was a twist villain. I thought they established that he was a villain when he raided Elsa's castle.
When he said “Choo-choo Muntz”, I questioned when “Choo-choo Charles” had been released, and if this was an accidental foreshadowing. (Also, Disney and Pixar have actually become the same company. 4:16.)
Bellwether could be fixed by setting up more signs that something was off about her. Maybe when she sees Judy, she's bubbly and happy. But then when she sees Judy and Nick (or just Nick), she begins to have a bit of a smile fade. She could be visibly uncomfortable (not making eye contact, sitting further away from Nick, avoiding Nick both verbally and physically, etc.). Then as the movie progresses she begins to get less and less kind towards Judy BECAUSE she's been working with Nick.. who is a predator. At some point in the last 40 minutes, Judy realizes something seems off with Bellwether and she asks what's wrong. Then you do the reveal scene with Judy and Nick carrying the evidence case and Bellwether asks for the case just like she does in original movie. Then Judy asks why she's acting so weird. Bellwether does the reveal face (smile fade) and she starts monologuing about what she thought about Nick and Judy's partnership. (Doesn't like it because predators are bad) Then ya have the same scene play out except Bellwether is being a little less dramatic. Boom. Improved twist villain.
This man has summed up my feeling towards frozen’s twist so well! It felt like the writers were thinking “Anna can’t have 2 nice guys in her life, make the rich one evil”
@@goblin7189 Isn't the original story where Frozen is taken from based around Elsa's original character being the villain? To be fair, it makes sense to change it, Elsa's one of the most popular characters ever. Everyone loves her.
Altrantis yeah. Elsa was the villain, it was like legit snow queen. Then they wrote let it go and said “fuck no sisters are loving let’s make rich bitch the villain instead of the love interest.”
In a nutshell Villain: Hey lets be friends Good guy: Sure Villain: Do my bidding Good Guy: Sure Villain: Haha! Im evil! Good Guy: Nooooooo! Villain: Im defeated, Disney/Pixar got the money anyways Good Guy: We win, Happy Ending Good bye
No effort, just make another ooky spooky twist villain. Ooh we’re making viewers question the characters now.....or question why they wasted their damn money when they could have gotten Starbucks or something.
Okay but why did he rewrite Frozen better than the movie lmao. I’d probably have liked it more if Hans really did kiss her and it just didn’t work, not because she loved Kristoff more but because she wanted to marry him to give herself some semblance of a happy relationship in her life
I think the ending of frozen could have been the exact same without Han being the villain. Just he kisses Anna, it does nothing, he assumes this means Anna's far too gone and leaves angrily to go after Elsa, while Anna realizes this means he simply wasn't her true love. Boom can keep he ending 99% intact with just some tweaks (like him being in disbelief when Anna saves Elsa and of course eventually being thawed. Have him and Anna decide they simply arnt right for each other, and idk maybe he goes back home to his kingdom?) Boom, simple fix that doesn't destroy his character.
hans being the villain for the reason "taking over the kingdom" doesnt make any sense. see he first wanted to marry anna so he could be king which kinda would'nt work out since anna was the younger one and she was only next in line to be queen after elsa the older sister. then elsa, who kind of just became queen left which make anna the heir and the queen. so that would have been in favor of hans if he married anna he would directly become king. but nooo he chose to kill both the sisters which is counter to his plan. if both the sisters ie. direct heir to the throne die then its not hans who gets the kingdom. the next in line after anna who probably would be their relatives or cousins anyway any blood relative would be the one to be crowned. hans who isnt even of the kingdom doesnt fall in line for the throne in any way unless he marries someone from the royal family. so i really dont understand why he tried to kill anna mainly. as killing elsa would've kinda made sense asa if she is dead then while anna would be queen there would be no chance of her comming back to reclaim the throne.
Or this could be the point where he becomes the „villain“ because after that he tries to kill elsa out of revenge for what she‘s done or to be the hero that saved the land etc. and it’s that reaction which makes Anna realize WHY he couldn‘t be her true love. Leave out all that „he plotted everything from the beginning“ bulls*** that made it so frustrating and it could still be turned into a tangible lesson about falling in love with someone you don‘t really know or whatever
@@Xinisterr well in the movie after he locked Anna in that one room and went to those people saying she just died he also said that she has given him a 'marriage promise' (idk how to correctly translate this word from German) which would make him king. Because he doesn't love Anna he wanted to get rid of her but still would've become king because of this promise she supposedly gave him before 'dying'
Shit, man, you're right. I'd like to change that maybe Anna initiates the split because of his attack on her sister, no matter his reason. Which he has to accept, and leaves with his angry old man. But other than that, solid reasoning, and gives some drama / character to Hans when he's shocked and upset after Anna sacrifices herself.
I actually really like the approach Pixar takes in some movies where one villain is known from the start and another is a twist villain. When it's done well of course. I think Randall and Waternoose are a really good example which you said in the video.
This is why whenever a new Disney movie comes out, we're like “oh boy, which one of these seemingly good characters is gonna be the villain now?”
As bland as Ralph Breaks the Internet was, I'll give it credit for not really having a "villain".
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Maybe they should just reveal who killed BAMBI'S mom
Giggity King We know who killed Bambi’s mom: Man.
shout out to Tangled for getting the point of a twist villain across without actually making Gothel a twist villain
What... do you mean getting the point of a twist villian? You said yourself gothel wasnt a twist villian.
@@louminouz she was to rapunzel
The supposed point of a twist villain is that looks can be deceiving and bad people don't always go about boasting about how evil they are.
Mother Gothel gets this across because while RAPUNZEL trusts her, the AUDIENCE knows that she's actually the villain. The twist isn't for you, it's for Rapunzel
Paulik Shmaulik ah yes that makes sense. Tho actual twist villians in theory are also meant to shock the audience. Gothel may have the concept of a twist done right (aka bad people dont announce how evil they are) shes not exactly a fair example since shes not really a twist villian.
@@louminouz I wonder if OP is trying to say that Gothel is a star example of having a *complex* villain without resorting to her being a *twist* villain. Gothel is obviously evil without being cartoonish villainous. She's also a great example of a strong FEMALE villain, because she achieves villainy through her feminine attributes (maternal manipulation and such).
what would have been even more intriguing, is if gothel had just waited, and approached The king and queeen and explained the situation, referencing the fact that the flower is hers, and that it was found with a basket near it. i wonder how that would go down. because the king anand queen didnt know gothel was the kidnapper, she wouldve had a clean slate to attempt reason
I really like Coco’s twist villain because as far as Ernesto knows, that’s still his grandkid and he’s totally willing to fucking kill him because it suits him. Wack.
He only decided to kill Miguel because he exposed him and that he killed hector for his music. Ernesto had a huge reputation when he was alive and he still kept that reputation even in death and he wasn’t about to let the grandkid of his friend tell everyone he was a murderer all along
@@ps4pro668 I mean,, yeah. That’s what I said lol
@@ps4pro668 I just didn’t include all the details
I saw hector being miguel's ancestor a mile away but didn't see the ernesto twist coming. the fact that he would willingly kill his descendant (at the time he still thought miguel is) is so chilling and his motives create such a tragic outcome for miguel's family
@@phuongbach3864 I feel like there's a possibility that Ernesto knew Miguel wasn't his descendant, but instead just used him to gain more popularity. I don't know, it seems plausible
He roasted Disney so hard that Disney stopped making villains entirely.
On god
LMAO!!! 😂
LMFAO
Disney : We love our villains!
Disney channel : We made the villains have children!
Disney plus : We made a short about it!
Pixar : We made twist villains!
Modern dis nee : *What villains?*
THEEEEEN HE ROASTED THEM FOR NOT HAVING ANY VILLAINS
My mom said she always suspected Hans would be a villain since he said "I have 12 older brothers, two of which pretended I was invisible, literally, for years." Which is about the only indication that he might be a bad guy, but it's there and at least someone picked up on it, because I didn't.
i guess if u have a bunch of siblings it would be easier to see where his angst comes from
@@iwakeupandboomimarat Even though he's a prince, he has so many older siblings that he'll never inherit anything from his parents. He'll be lucky if he's even allowed to stay in the castle if one of his meaner brothers claims the Throne.
I guessed from the lyrics- he wasn’t singing about her he was singing about his ‘place’
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I guessed from when he sung that song with Anna. I had just finished watching some film theory so my senses were on high alert and when I noticed that him and Anna weren't in full sync during the song I thought he might have alternative motives and was just letting Anna hear whatever she wanted to. watching film theory makes me overanalyze whatever I watch after it.
the problem with twist villains is that we don't get any time for villain songs
exactly, jafar's reprise of prince ali was fire
This is not a problem. This is the opposite to a problem.
Secret of Nimh 2: B)
I'm not a fan of the songs generally anyway. That first third or so of Frozen is so musical it's pretty much an opera and I don't like it. But they could always do a villain song when the twist is revealed. That's no more stupid than the placement of any other song.
@@Scrinwaipwr yeah but do you remember hellfire by the villain in hunchback of notredom??? That song slapped
Ernesto from Coco was a really good twist villain. Its less of the shock factor and more of a tragic twist that gets you.
The setup for the twist was absolutely amazing. The deliberate choice to leave Hector’s face out of the picture and to have him wear the same suit as Ernesto, the guitar, the similarities between him and Miguel, even that montage of them interacting. Then to reveal him to be a cold blooded murderer who sacrificed his own best friend for fame and fortune was just- It SHOOK me man.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios Yes, the way that they hided this fact from us was so well made that it felt real.
Such an amazing movie.
YES like we knew he was bad but we thought he just manipulated people to get to the top NOT MURDER
@@NameName-yj7lp That's true!
I watched the movie on my birthday I did not like it but if you like it its ok
What I despise most about twist villains is that, without properly earning the twist, it just teaches us to be suspicious of human kindness.
That’s true unfortunately. A lot assume you are fake for being kind and showing sympathy. Obviously it’s dangerous to use that as a personality to deceive people but I do feel like us humans lack compassion towards each other 🤷🏽♀️
Biggest Disney Twist Villain Cliche:
“You won’t get away with this”
“I already have”
IKR!!!!
i really unironically love that line tho
@@syra1541 but you have to admit no matter how hard Disney tries, by trying to be unpredictable they end up More predictable. And people who say the renaissance had a"formula"they always had different lesson and characters to deliver it.
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How to pinpoint a Disney twist villain:
1) Notice the nice but useless character is getting more screentime than a useless but nice character needs.
2) Wait the entire movie for the reveal.
I have a game when me and my family watch Disney movies, for us to guess the twist villain before the reveal. We did it with Frozen 2
@@KazuhaEien How'd that go?
PxndaCakes I don't remember. We all somehow forgot about it after finishing the movie, for some reason.
But wouldn't that make olaf the comic relief and the bad guy?
@@phoenixflamex8838 Yes.
"Because of you, Olaf actually has plot relevance, and that makes me mad!"
Olaf is going to be the villain in Frozen 2
@@spcatg1316
Let it goooooooo let it gooooo
i rewatched the movie a month ago, and it was good. I hate Olaf though
Your profile picture is awesome
Olaf is a cinnamon roll
Big Hero 6 could have been a bit better if Callaghan had a moment of shock after he was told Tadashi died. He seemed to genuinely care about Tadashi at first.
And if early in the movie it was revealed that other man who "killed" Abgail actually was the cause of the fire, even if it was accidental, and Callaghan be like "one more reason to get revenge >:("
Y’all should’ve written big hero 6
Wait, hold up, didn't he? I remember the movie like this: Found out that the brother died because he tried to save him and then the villain being in shock, before blurting out that it was the brother's own fault. Kinda deflecting blame.
Or maybe that is what the German voice actors did. Hard to tell if it is different in the English version as I haven't seen it.
@@hoppa_2184 i really don't remember but even if it was in the actual movie, that line really ruined it
Even the infamous "That was his mistake" could be the slightest bit impactful if directed properly. Have Callaghan react in shock, but silently consider the scene before him and his lifegoal for a few seconds, harden his heart and his expression, and boom. "That was his mistake." You can make a character irredeemable while also having them portray actual brain activity and emotion.
They should make a movie called “Twist” that has ZERO plot twists, that’s the plot twist, there isn’t anything you don’t expect
gotta admit, i wouldnt expect that
But If the plot twist is that it has no twists then that means it has twists but if it has twists that means that not having plot twists is no longer a plot twist... AHHHHHH
@Jayismagic twistception?
@@dy-or4pc thats very twisty
Give me a couple weeks and my team will make a shitty movie
i hate how every single Disney's twist villain's personalities do a complete 180° turnaround
So its a twist
@@santiagobarreraruiz7280 damn it
Exactly, if I were an evil supervillain that planned to exploit animal racism to get what I wanted then I simply wouldn't have the patience to act nice all the time for almost no reason
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Yes- why couldn’t they make a scene where lamb girl complains about her job with the MCs but says “ I’m trying to stay positive because in the end it will be worth it” before MCs can question it lamb is already gone
@@NameName-yj7lp that would actually be a really cool detail yea :0
One thing I found interesting about Inside Out is that I predicted Bing Bong to be the villain as soon as I saw him. He just had that vibe about him.
But then..."Take her to the moon for me..."
NylaTheWolf He was supposed to be the villain in that movie
@@IcyDiamond Really? Not surprised
Same! I thought he was the villain from the beginning, so when he died and still wasn’t the villain I wasn’t even affected by his death because I never made a good connection with him since I thought he was gonna be evil
Bing Bong just doesn’t look like an outright good guy,I really failed to see the villain vibe on him
NylaTheWolf *Big Time Rush Intensifies*
To be honest, I would count Syndrome more as a villain rather than a twist villain, with the prologue of the movie being pretty much part of his backstory.
That’s how I always viewed Syndrome
Yeah I think this video is too loose with the definition of a twist villain
Yeah syndrome isn't really a "twist villain"
Syndrome was also set up with Mirage speaking to a mysterious figure who's also her boss earlier in the movie.
Well Syndrome is just a villain with a twist attached to him, he is pretty clearly introduced as a villain, although the mysterious employer being evil isn't stated, we just know something is going on, the twist is that it's Buddy, someone that idolized supers, in particular Mr. Incredible.
as a kid, king candy’s “twist” was horrifying. seeing him switch back and forward between his king “form” to his racer “form” gave me nightmares for at least a week.
SAME HERE BRUH THANK GOD I AINT THE ONLY ONE 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
It was really creepy
Weak sauce 😂
I felt bad for moths why because Maybe they are trying not to go into the light but they just can't resist it
me too
I can't believe Frozen is seven years old. Isn't that crazy, or is it just me? It feels like it came out just a couple years ago maybe.
Niloc Rekkab same situation. Man, time flies by...
It’s mainly because they keep making merchandise
ISN'T THAT CRAZY? WE FINISH EACH OTHERS **SANDWICHES**
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I’m 17 so I was 10 or 11 wow
“Because of you Olaf actually has plot relevance and that makes me mad”
This line is just amazing.
Frozen 2 in a nutshell
Y E S
ah, there it is. the real reason Hans was a villain
That moment, I clicked on like. Not because of that, but until that, he makes pretty good sense. With it, I was sure, it gets even better.
They did a great job with Turbo/King Candy. For all the reasons you mentioned, but also because due to him already being a pretty obvious villain, you kind of just... don't expect the huge plot Twist of him actually being Turbo. King Candy being the villain and therefore the obstacle is already established, so to have that EXTRA amazing reveal is fantastic.
Agreed, you think you might already know, and you suspect the movie is done throwing curveballs at you. But it's not
It's like Syndrome, how we know he's clearly the antagonist, but his backstory slams into you like Mr. Incredible through a window.
I want to add to this a year later: I still believe this strongly, but I have more to add. It also worked because Turbo is an established character. He's had an impact we know about on our heros of the story, and has had negative impact on their world. You have an idea of who he is and WHY he’s bad, and when he’s revealed, we have an even more established character we’ve grown to know--king candy--to put all these 'crimes' to as well. Anyone can reveal a villain that's just against the heros motives because you need one, like Hans. But it takes good writing to make one we care about and get to know personally through our main characters we follow.
I desperately want to be this guy’s neighbour and just randomly hear him yell “OH BOOHOO MY DAUGHTER IS DEAD!!!!” with no context
THAT WAS HIS M I S T A K E
E K A T S I M S I H
S A W T A H T
omg yas
@@grandmacrinkle8094 💀💀💀😭😭😭😂😂😂
*”I DONT CARE IF ITS MEAN EVERYONES GOT DEAD PEOPLE, THATS NO EXCUSE TO BE A
F U C K I N G D I C K”*
actually, hans was thrown in last minute. Elsa was originally supposed to be the villain but after let it go, disney decided that it didn't sound like a villain's song
Oh wow what if elsa was the villain
Cindy Lin yeah cuz I’m pretty sure that a lot of parents wouldn’t want their kids singing a villian’s song -_- 😂
Elsa was supposed to be shown as the villian but Hans was still the villian in the original and then Elsa would be revealed to actually not be evil
REVERSE SUPRISE VILLIAN
Tbh i would actually like her as a villan
Barrington A3 Isn't that actually how it is in the original fairytale?
I forgot the sheep was the antagonist in zootopia. I even forgot that she existed
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Seriously tho, what even is its name?
Same.
@@bigb3598 I think it was a pun
I just remember zootopia is the movie that furries love
Bryan Neblett *Assistant Mayor Bellweather
If Han said something like “She’s the one” at the beginning of the movie instead of just smiling it could’ve hinted that she was the one he was after. And if they added more ‘hints’ that could be interpreted as foreshadowing in a second watch the twist would make more sense.
I quite agree.
Disney, you need to READ through your scripts before animating. THAT IS WHY MOVIE SCRIPTS EXIST.
Same. Honestly I think Hans would’ve worked better as a villain if he was the type where you knew he’s a bad person but most of the characters don’t until he reveals to them.
Nah, just have Hans explain to Anna that he’s kinda a spare at home and maybe have him become angrily frustrated for a moment before Anna calms him down. Have him become instantly cheerful again afterwards, hinting that he’s putting on an act. Maybe have him ask her a bunch about Elsa and kinda dismiss Anna at first? Like, he wants to befriend Anna through his backstory so that he can get close to the reclusive Queen, but he dismisses Anna’s romantic talk because he wants the throne, not a Princess. You could have him go after Elsa until it’s revealed that she has powers, at which point he latched onto Anna and even went after Elsa with her. You could show his facade breaking throughout the movie.
Later on, have him go more in-depth to his backstory as he reveals that he doesn’t love Anna. He wants a throne and he can’t get one at home, so he wanted Elsa’s instead. After Elsa was a flop, he decided to tag along to get rid of Elsa while securing Anna and playing the brave hero. That would make his betrayal that much more stinging.
That is quite true. If they had just given Hans some more foreshadowing so we could be clued in, then I think he would’ve been a successful twist villain
I just realized that Up And Coco have 1 thing in common, Both surprise villains tried to kill a child
oop-
Both surprise villains are also the idol of the main character
Huh, guess theu read The Art of Potatoes by Szu Tsun
That was his mistake
Wait-
Elsa from Frozen was originally supposed to be the villain in the movie. When creators and/or directors decided to make the movie more on sisterly love because they thought it would be a more compelling and heartwarming story, they made Hans the villain at the last minute and created Kristoff. Anna was supposed to be with Hans and since Hans was now the villain the creators and/or directors created Kristoff because "Anna had to have a love interest."
yesss this comment should get more attention!
Wow that would've made much more interesting movie! And it'll be more like Hans Christian's Snow Queen too
There could be some sort of subtle sister love but she can still be villain
it seems weird to me anna got a love interest instead of elsa, turns out anna is the main character in the frozen instead of elsa
As a kid I got more of a sense that elsa was the villain and not hans. I mean her parents neglected her and isolated her. They reacted to her powers by trying to cover it up and put on a fake smile. They let fear control them. Maybe they should have allowed her to practice her power in secret and still live a normal life. So then she wouldn't hate her parents and become a villain because nobody seemed to accept her as a child. But somehow she managed to pull through all that, nothing short of a miracle. Because it doesn't seem likely.
Hans did have a pretty horrible plan
*tHat wAs hiS miStAkE*
that mistake was his!
that was his steak!
😋😋Steak sounds good
With BBQ sauce and side chicken 😋
VelociraptorGamer YT and mashed potatoes
Why you bring elsa back
Why you save elsa
Or better yet why don't you just let her stay then tell auna she wants to stay and it fir the best.
wow, I did not expect to make dinner.
when i watched frozen as a kid, i didn't even realise hans was the villain 😭 whenever i thought of who the villain was, i just thought, "wait wasn't elsa the villain?"
Honestly though. They didn't even really need Hans to be the villain. Elsa was the main conflict the entire time. They should've just focused on her.
She was originally going to be the villain until the people working on the film heard Let it Go for the first time and they were totally mesmerized by it, so they rewrote her to be a heroine.
Also if Disney just wanted a villain to make this harder for the protagonists then why not have the Duke of Weselton since he's already trying to kill Elsa
@Memopithecus To "subvert expectations" by making the Disney Prince the villain rather than some old nobleman.
@@galten7361Newsflash, though: Shrek 2 did that first!
"Does that necessarily translate to violent murderer man?"
Every brother of the crown prince ever: yes
you made me so angry now because i realised that hans is just a bad and plot twisted scar
I feel like Hans would have been a better end-of-the-movie villain if he was trying to kill Elsa to save Anna instead
That would’ve been too complicated for all of the 8 year olds to grasp. Too controversial for the market. It’s a good idea though
Maybe if it was intended for an older audience
That would have been great yeah much better thank what they had done now
And about the "too complicated for children" argument: I don't think so. It's not a difficult concept. What they did now was too complicated, I was 13 when Frozen came out and when Hans did a full 180 I didnt even understand what was happening. Children aren't super stupid, they can understand a lot of 'difficult' concepts
If Hans had kissed Anna and it didn't work bc it just wasnt true love Hans goes like "maybe true love wasn't the key, but maybe killing Elsa will safe you"
Since Anna knows the trolls said true love would help, she's against it and hes like "Anna, this clearly didn't work. Stay here until I've taken care of this" and locked her in bc even if it isn't true love, he likes her a lot and is desperate to safe her. She's all like no and yk like in the movies tries to get out and no one hears her. Then the movie just progresses like it did before just with slightly different dialogue.
(Olaf: "what about Hans?"
Anna: "That wasn't true love. It didn't work")
(Elsa: "where's Anna?"
Hans: "she's dying because of you")
And then obviously Anna saves Elsa and the spell is broken. Hans wasn't just evil, he had been desperate to safe Anna and everything would have made more sense.
Now it just kinda felt like Disney was like "hmm we like Kristoff better lets get Hans out of the way" but Hans turning evil out of nowhere just didn't work
@@fovos7359 Then why did Kristoff have to end up with anna at the end? Doesn't elsa already fulfill that role?
@@fovos7359 wow this comment was cringe. I wish you worded it better.
I actually believe that the trolls made Hans evil so Kristoff could marry her
best twist villain
Shipping conquers all.
Lmao
I now believe that
That's just a theory! A film theory!
I think the reason why Hans is not a good twist villain because I believe his ORIGINAL character wasn't supposed to be a villain, it was supposed to be ELSA. The whole plot just got changed because of "Let It Go" and they tried so hard to bring back Elsa as a good person and let Hans become the bad guy. They changed the whole original plot all of a sudden because of one song and it made the quality of the story go down. But that's just my opinion :/
Pretty much. They remade the plot to make Elsa an antihero but didn't actually change enough of it to move away from the final confrontation (where in the older drafts Elsa would've been defeated there to fulfill a prophecy).
That's one of the reasons I don't like Let It Go very much. Because it basically destroyed what could have been a truly good movie.
@@artbytesiaand because of the numerous people who won't stop singing this for days
@@AllenTheAnimator004 That too. Why they do, I have no idea. It can't be just because of Idina Menzel, because she's made several other songs that are actually good (do I need to mention Defying Gravity?). And it can't be just because it's about self-empowerment, because there are several other songs, from Disney and other artists, that have that same theme (Go the Distance from Hercules, for example). So why do people love Let It Go so much?!
@@artbytesiaI don't know it sounds good
"twist" villians are rly good when you already know theyre an enemy. When they already straddle that line, it doesn't feel forced or disappointing, but it's still exciting. Like someone else said, Mother Gothel is a great example. She's not a twist villian to us, but she is to the characters. And she's a really good and realistic villian: degrading and disrespecting rapunzel throughout the entirety of the film, until she finally goes full cruelty and puts rapunzel in chains.
This line of thinking reminds me of something Alfred Hitchcock said. If you let the audience see the bomb under the table without the characters seeing it, the tension in the scene goes waaay up.
That's pretty much been my thoughts about twists. If the point is to surprise the audience, as soon as they guess/hear about it, its kinda pointless. If the twist has like an effect on the world and stuff, then if it's good, it'll be interesting to watch it play out regardless of if anyone guessed it.
Or John Silver in treasure planet
Kinda like Omni-Man
This But Andrias
as a quote I once found on pintrest said, "A good twist villian doesn't trick the audicene. A good twist villian enhances the story and adds to the narrative."
I think a good villain can even trick or let's say, "challenge" the audience but definitely not like these twist characters shown in the video. I.e. let's show that the character is evil but also in some parts seems to be good or their motives are controvertial - not like here where a good character suddenly turns out to be a villain "just like that", from 0 to 100 in one second.
Lydia Hanger Yes but we're talking about kid movies. Let's leave those confusing villains to the ones who can identify who's in the wrong without being told
@@suwenxxer I believe in kids movies we can have not-so-obvious villains, too. The example of Syndrome proves it, he has some good reasons to be mad at the MC and kids can get it. And he's cool with cool gadgets, it's hard to really not like him.
Of cource such character should be easy enough to figure out - kids can get a good life lessons by judging such characters on screen, like "don't trust every nice person, they may want to hurt you", easy stuff like that. And parents could always talk with their kids and explain things if there are some doubts, another good occasion for them to learn something new and to share their opinions - and a good time for these parents to shape their kids' beliefes in a correct direction.
That quote can literally be fit for any character in writing...
Wreck it Ralph 2 was just Disney being like “LOOK AT ALL THIS COOL SHIT WE OWN, LOOOOOOOOOOOOL”
As well as "Hey! We're relevant to the youth, you know! We know EXACTLY about their digital culture!"
R/fellowkids
*H O W D O Y O U D O F E L L O W K I D S ?*
I loved the first one. Went in expecting the sequel to be mediocre but enjoyable. Was not expecting it to be flat-out awful and cringy. When your movie can be compared to the emoji move, you've made some bad decisions on a fundamental level.
Am I the only one who noticed that this came from CinemaSins?
This video is the source for so much of Schaffrillas running jokes, video tone, and general style and flair. It's such a fun watch with so many great lines and really good points.
I think it was my first Schaffrillas video, and it definitely is the purest of his entire channel in terms of encapsulating his style.
Same, probably my first vid of his and a great one to revisit as a Schaffrillas fan
DIdn't they rewrite Frozen at the last minute and that's why they had to suddenly make Hans a villian, which is why there's no indication of him being a villian beforehand?
Apparently. Originally it was supposed to be elsa but i dont know why though.
@@Set2Seth Well Frozen was based on the snow queen and in the story Freya (elsa was based on) was evil.
@@Mcsilvergamer3D huh....more you know
@@Set2Seth I am sorry I got it wrong freya was from snow white in the huntsman but, she was based on the snow queen.
@@Mcsilvergamer3D but test audience (or was it the executives) was pissed about it if not mistaken
Apart from the twist villain, I actually like Big Hero 6. The person at Disney who made that decision may have ruined the ending to that movie, but...
That was his mistake
Me too, I really like the suits and techology employed
take my like and get out
Now THAT is a good reference
i think they learned from yokai being a terrible villain bc he actually tries to redeem himself in the now cancelled series, and the series itself focuses on new but much better villains
i wake up and boom im a rat As a fan of the series, I can indeed verify this statement. Obake and Di were way better villains than Callaghan, my personal fave being Obake.
I could've forgiven Hans if he had just made a reference to "Love is an Open Door" while abandoning Anna.
Anna: "I trusted you! I thought you loved me!"
Hans: "Hahahahaha... no. After all, love *is* an open door." *The door slams shut.*
Gosh darn it disney this could have actually worked!
Now see this is solid proof that one line can make any character a little more cool
That’s fire bro
That would have been cool. It would have made me mad, but it'd have been cool.
That would have been so amazing especially the door slamming shut afterward. A bit of irony that would have been
The great thing about King Candy, what makes him work so well as a twist villain, is you could have made him not be a villain without changing anything about his motives, personality, or any of the events of the movie up to the reveal. You could have played him straight where he's the eccentric, if a bit crabby and out-of-place, Willy-Wonka-style ruler of Sugar Rush, who was only defensive toward Ralph because he genuinely did fear the guy was going Turbo, and who genuinely was trying to keep Vanellope from racing so she didn't threaten the game world and herself. The movie could have had them team up to fight the Cybugs, ended with her winning the race to his horror, the gamers loving her for her glitching ability, him learning he was wrong, and the three of them walking of into the sunset holding hands each having learned a valuable lesson. That would have been a perfectly natural ending. So it makes perfect sense that Ralph actually trusts him enough to sabotage Vanellope's cart and leave, with it only being pure luck that he learns he's been lied to.
also, the audience more or less understands that king candy is being deceptive or at least wrong
Most of these 'twist' villains aren't twists, they are expectations subverted. Twists you can rewatch the movie and pick out instances of foreshadowing, Disney went "oh shit, we need a villain, let's make him the villain" halfway through
Which is my problem with some of Disney's twist villains: In stories with emotionally compelling storylines, there's no need for a villain yet Disney puts villains into the storyline.
@@seraphinadavila4707 the fact MW2 had a better twist villian says something
@@duckwithahat5370 yep.
I just think the foreshadowing are just too obvious sometimes, like with the prince in Frozen. Never bought the "I'm gonna marry this guy I just met today" thing, he was obviously ill-intended
@@Drobexxx which is another problem with most of Disney's "twist" villains: The foreshadowing is too obvious.
The little kid in Incredibles turned into a ginger after 15 years. That's true power.
that's aesthetic, bitch
i'll go home now
How funny would it be if he dyed his hair to look like Mr. Incredible
oh? i had always thought that his hair was naturally ginger but he dyed it to match mr incredible. then after being rejected he changed it back
My dad was born a blonde, then it turned into a mix light brown and decaying gray in his 30s.
@Negwart Van Gogh Yeah, but on the bright side he's 6'2 and in good shape for someone who's currently 63.
If Hans had wanted Elsa dead, he could have just let Weasltown's goons shoot her with their crossbows. Instead, he throws himself at the dude to save her. Film Theory's proposal that the Trolls bewitched Hans makes a ton more narrative sense.
Ikr, Hans is a terribly written villain
Yeah it kinda make more sense that the theory of the trolls being the villain instead of Hans.
And if it were the villain there are too many opportunities to make the two suffer and make himself the king but it's just wasted.
I guess that's could be the next sequel, just for the main plot for kristoff for knowing the truth
Maybe another sub plot is kristoff knowing that anna already been spelled
@@OwenBLukman If Disney has a progressive character development it would be out for frozen 3.
But you know it's Disney
@@thenightshines6569 it's okay, we just keep the plot and in the end everyone including the villain will happy and singing
You know, disney's typical
I was completely baffled by Waternoose's twist villain though, throughout half of the movie he's seen as desperate to help charge the city. But all the other monsters suck and aren't scary and he just seemed like the protagonist because of how friendly he came off and how much of a father figure he acted towards Sullivan. But the twist of how he became so desperate that he would've kidnapped 1000 children to keep the businesses going, is a complete twist to me. And even though he was a twist villain, he still, kept his father figure-ish personality saying that Sullivan was better than Randall. And another thing monsters inc did was add a main villain AKA Randall so you wouldn't expect Waternoose to be the main one since disney hasn't done that a lot and theirs normally one main villain throughout any disney movie. (idk it makes since why Waternoose was a good twist villain to me)
Actually, they did throw in the “Hans is a villain” plot twist in at the last minute, Elsa was supposed to be the villain originally
They should have kept that so we didn’t get the frozen 2 disaster
Cartoon Judge! C.G. Wow. Holy crap. Idiot at Disney
Cartoon Judge! C.G. What was Frozen based on?
The should’ve kept that, that would’ve made a more interesting movie. And she’s more of a twist villain than Hans
ꕥ Icestorm ꕥ Frozen was based on a book called “The Snow Queen” and it was written by Hans Christian Andersen
i would like more of twist villains that weren't "evil the whole time" but were pushed into it/driven to it over the course of the movie; we don't see that a lot in kid's movies
Now that’s a twist. And also like an origin of a villain and I love it. Good thinking 👌😎
That would definitely be a much more interesting villain. Kinda like Eddie Brock or Sandman in the old spiderman trilogy
@@errwhattheflip Meh sandman was just.. sad. But I could see how Eddy Brock was a good twist villain even though we already knew based on the comics
@@HarleyWithJoker True. Sandman wasn't quite a twist villain, but yeah Eddie brock was dope.
@@errwhattheflip facts
I'd like a film full of potential villains, but no actual villains.
i want a film of someone trying to be a villain but unintentionally doing good things and saving people thus being crowned town hero or something
Destructocorps And then the main protagonist discovers he's the real villain
Jasper Maron thats megamind
What like murder on the orient express?
frid Megamind is my one of my favorite animated movies, too bad it's hasn't recieved much attention.
Actually Rourke from Atlantis: The Lost Empire was the first Disney twist villain. The difference is that he's actually a good villain unlike Hans.
Lyell did his part so well.
Rourke was doing what was normal for society and even what the hero Milo was doing - plundering dead civilizations (and some living ones as well) for valuables and curiousities. The twist works because Milo learned that it was wrong and harmful to take the Heart away, whereas Rourke not only doubles down on his greed, but he already about the Heart before Milo and withheld the information, and may have known that the Atlanteans were still alive and brought all his weapons along.
Didn't expect that option.
Hold up! Tarzan did it before Atlantis with Clayton.
Trash take
The thing that makes me mad about Hans being a twist villain is that... that plan wouldn't work. Royalty doesn't work that way. If a monarch dies, it goes to the next BLOOD relative, not the monarch's spouse. To make it worse, being royalty himself, HANS SHOULD KNOW THIS. Nothing about Hans being evil makes sense.
even IF he would have married Anna, He would still only be Prince of arendelle
Except that in this time period, the kingdom is passed down to the king. If there is no king in said bloodline, then to the queen. But should the Queen marry, all of a sudden that power goes to the spouse. Also, Elsa was in exile, and Anna was thought dead. So, Anna was acting queen, making Hans acting King.
@@ridjenite i dont think that prince phillip holds the power in the UK but go on
@@uselessash3580 Not now. And not in the UK ever since Queen Elizabeth I. But if she had managed to find herself married in that time...
@@ridjenite can you give me an example of that happening?
I feel like Ernesto was the only good surprise villain because he was never introduced as "good" he was just introduced as this perfect handsome musician. He never said he was a hero or in any way good, and that's why I like his surprise reveal
But he was shown as a hero, people looked up to him and he even played the hero in his movies, like the one where he uses the plot of how he killed his best friend, its dark but in a good way.
Also, I like the subtle way that we're told just how self-absorbed Ernesto truly is. He is surprised to have a great great grandson, but he accepts it as plausible, meaning he was hitting 'n quitting without a second thought about any children he may have fathered.
And this is even in a world were Ernesto would be able to speak with any potential baby-mamas, lol. This tells us he essentially doesn't interact with any of the people he knew during his mortal life.
Just because he’s introduced as neutral and then exposed as a villain doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a good villain. He’s good in his own right though
*Judge Doom
@@voidtectonic no, he was shown as famous, he had influence on people by the "talent" he had
Not gonna lie, the Hans reveal flipped my shit as an 11 year old
Comic Chaos I can remember watching this movie around 14 times with my cousin a few years ago and EVERY TIME we’d be surprised at the reveal of Hans.
I was 10 when I first saw it and went to the bathroom came back and was confused why Hans was trying to kill Elsa
InsertName I’m dead
Yas same!!! Being the Naive 6 year old I was I was just like "But Wait isent he the good guy!?" And I still love the reveal scene to this day!
You know if they just keep making twist villains, then they might as well reveal who killed BAMBI and TOD's mothers.
The thing that annoys me the most about twist villiains, is the fact so many writers think a twist villain can only be the main villian.
I think twist villains work better when there a minion because it will ensure that their can still be a consistent threat throughout a story.
If I recall, Muppets Most Wanted did something like that, and did it well!
@@artbytesiaI love Damien Badguy so much!
Agreed. A twist villain makes a great right hand man.
Like for example the dwarf guy from the movie "Unicorn Academy"
I've watched Transformers enough over the years to adore the backstabbing second-in-command trope.
There’s only one reason why twist villains don’t work:
NO VILLAIN SONGS!
*be prepared intensifies*
@@xexpaguette Technically Scar isn't a twist villain though
@@markulyssestabasan3064 the song is still beautiful
@@xexpaguette Absolutely.
I made the like 300. Now the villain from the movie 300 needs a villain song. He's enigmatic enough for one.
INCREDIBLES 2 HAS THE MOST PREDICTABLE TWIST VILLIAN HER NAME IS LITERALLY “EVIL ENDEVOUR”
True dat
Her picture wAS ON THE SCREENSLAVER'S D E S K
I hated that twist.
I just hate the fact that both movies share the same type of plot twist where the person they’re working for ends up being the villain they’re fighting against
@@btrain213 Incredibles 1 did it better, the second movie had the worst villain tbh. Decoy screenslaver was soo much better.
The worst part about Hans being a villain is that he had a way greater and more organic relationship with Anna than Kristof did
I've watched enough shitty romcoms to know that useless bickering=chemistry.
Honestly yes. She and anna are more like akward besties.
@@cyancyborg1477 LITERALLY
Uh, yes?????? Honestly when I saw Anna and Kristof together as a kid I immediately thought "oh no"
Like c'mon.
Hans.
Yea.. Bickering tends to be better chemistry for freinds then relationships
I liked Hans but after the Villain Twist I was sad what they did with his character
I thought Hans was cheesy and corny but still kind of a cute character, then the twist happened and I wanted him to die desperately
“look at how they massacred my boy”
Hans and Chelsea from Ruby Gillman… two twist villains that were actually cool and likable but then got screwed over because “those weren’t their true personalities”.
Ernesto de la Cruz is LITERALLY the ONLY good twist-villian. The presentation, the payoff, the backstory? Its the only good one. And Hector is the only "twist-goofy-character-turned-good-guy" ive really ever seen. Hes tragic but goofy at the same time, and it works so well in tandem with ernestos reveal. My favorite pixar film, favorite pixar villian.
Edit: And Ernestos version of "Remember Me" may be the most goddamn tragic villian song when you consider what it was REALLY meant to represent.
Marble Dipity watch treasure planet
What about Syndrome?
@@PasCone103Z Syndrome is fantastic of course, but I'm mainly talkin about modern twist villians in disney and pixar. Ernesto is the only one that has a chance to LIVE UP to someone like Syndrome.
This realy need more likes..
Oh yeah, it was insanely well-executed. Plus he didn't really have an evil scheme at all. He'd already committed the crime and gotten away with it, and everything he did afterwards was him covering it up. I don't know, it makes him more realistic somehow
Foreshadowing is something I think is necessary for villains. Even a slight hint that the viewer might miss will be helpful. Ex: the villain is revealed and the viewer can look back and go “ohhhh”
Mars exactly! A good twist villain catches you off guard the first time and seems almost obvious the second time once you pick up on all the foreshadowing.
twist everyone is a villain and there are no hints
Yes!! But I’ll give a pass to Hans exclusively because I am usually very good at predicting both villains and endings in movies, it’s a weird talent of mine, but Hans was the only plot twist to take me by surprise that I can remember. I’ve otherwise never had that *GASP* moment. Disney has overused it so much that I can tell the Most irrelevant and/or friendly character is villainous.
Yeah, Callahan actually does have this kind of subtle foreshadowing. When Krei tries to buy the Microbots, Callahan steps in and says "I wouldn't trust Krei with your Microbots... Or anything else" in a very bitter tone. This shows that he has a vendetta against Krei, and thus it makes sense why he's a villain in hindsight.
Foreshadowing is always necessary for plot twist villains, not any villain. Frollo and Ursula are some of the best villains and they don't need foreshadowing because they're evil from the beginning.
I feel like they should’ve written Hans to actually seem manipulative and toxic like in real life, and since Anna hasn’t interacted with anyone in years it would be perfect, since she wouldn’t be able to notice the red flags. Make it so Hans character would be suspicious. after Elsa leaves, he roams around the castle suspiciously (maybe to look for something to use against Anna or Elsa or better figure out Elsa’s power) making subtle passive aggressive comments about Elsa to Anna, to turn Anna against her, and make her believe Hans more than Elsa. And this would spark some arguments between Anna and Elsa when Anna finds her (with the help of kristoff), Elsa would accidentally give Anna a frozen Heart. Hans having set this up, would just have to kill Elsa and marry Anna, or turn the people against Elsa by saying Elsa intentionally killed Anna via the frozen heart. Then he would become king. However, we want the heros to win, so kid of like in the movie, Anna saves Elsa after seeing Hans about to kill Elsa (maybe even kills Hans, I mean tangled went there with mother gothel), or Anna is found alive, or escapes somehow, and once the people realize this, they turn on Hans for lying.
That would've been way better than deciding that the ONE time it makes sense for a protagonist to immediately get engaged, they'll do a running gag where every character calls Anna dumb for doing so. She was completely isolated and literally had one (1) day to establish any sort of social connection - not to mention her behavior isn't that strange for someone who grew up with abusive/neglectful parents. (Plus, it's kind of Anna's whole job as princess to net a politically advantageous marriage with another royal???) Having Hans actually act like a villain would make for a much better story, and force the writers to follow through on their setup of how bad Anna and Elsa's childhoods were.
this is perfect. it makes complete sense and would work wonderfully, not to mention fix that about the movie
Noo that's already common in movies.
In real life the worst people are the ones who do such a good job at pretending to be kind. Anna is a princess, it isn't that surprising for someone to find the motivation to do a REALLY convincing job at pretending to be nice to her.
The ones who slip up and expose their evil side are easier to deal with. There are people who are two faced but hide their evil side really well.
We feel unnerved about not knowing or having a reasonable build up to him being a villain. But in real life you obviously don't akways see the dark thoughts of an evil person.
Ted Bundy seemed charming and harmless to his victims. The Japanese cannabal ate the woman who was so kind to him...Serial killers, rapists, human traffickers...Just because you try to be fair or reasonable to others doesn't mean they will to you.
I know most people aren't this evil and crazy...but who are we kidding, there are still so many of them to this day, the ones caught and in the news aren't even half of them.
@@nonaau4791 yes but in movies like those, where they do that realistic kind of portrayal of how good people can be at cover up, I feel like you get to see what this character does throughout. Like in YOU, this dude is always so nice and covers up so much of his murders, but we always see what he’s doing behind the scenes, locking his own girlfriend up and killing her. We get to see what or how they might be covering things up. In this movie there is nothing at all indicating Hans is the bad guy. He just appears at the start, and all of a sudden at the end said “welp guess it’s time to be evil” at the end. We don’t see him do anything throughout the movie. We don’t even see him have to cover up anything. It just doesn’t make sense for him to be evil. In this movie I said it wouldn’t be too easy to notice the slip ups since both the girls have been isolated for their entire lives. Anna literally still has that child mentality at the start that she’s gonna make so many friends. Like it’s the first day of kindergarten.
Otto is one of my favorite villains due simply to the fact he's an accurately depiction of a robot. He was following his programming and still obeyed the laws of robotics. Namely making sure he doesn't get anyone hurt. By letting the people free they'd die.
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When you got to zootopia , I was like, “shoot, who was the villain again?”.
Im not gonna lie I actually did like Bellweather, her voice actor did a great job and Id say she’s a good twist, just not a good villian.
Some Lesbian honestly I think the real problem with that character is that she doesn't really show up until near the end.
Zoe Strope Yep and the ending felt pretty rushed.
@@louminouz Yeah, her character feels kinda forced by the subtle nods at being viewed as a lowly secretary who caters to a carnivore with authority. Although it's something, it's really not the strongest case for her turn into a fascist looking to incarcerate all carnivores.
Boi Loop Agreed. Her motivation couldve been something better other than shes just racist.
While I don't really like Hans, he could have been a good way to show Anna not to be so trusting of strangers. Could have, if they foreshadowed it.
Personally I wish they hadn’t made everything before the almost-kiss a façade. That made it so they basically had to re-establish Hans near the end of the movie. I think the “don’t rush into serious relationships” message would’ve stuck much more if Hans rlly was into Anna, but had a darker side shown near the end. Not a “twist” or a “villain reveal” just smth in a scene that makes Anna think “wow I rlly don’t know this guy” and question her decision to marry him :0
Actually Doug Walker acknowledged this exact point in his review of "Frozen".
@@tiablue9106 Exactly.
I actually believe that Hans himself never was a villain. Hear me out:
We learn in the beginning of Frozen that the trolls have the ability to control people's memories and thus, their behavior.
We can also deduce that they've lived in Arendale for MUCH longer than the humans but at some point, humans took over the country and basically banished the trolls into hiding.
Now, suddenly the princess of Arendale comes along and catches the hots for their adopted son. Problem? She's already in a relationship with another dude. Also, she has an older sister who will claim the throne before her.
So what do the trolls do?
Well, remember the musical scene? They'll "take the fiancée away" - they manipulate Hans into turning evil so that he not only kills Elsa, making Anna the next in line for the throne, but also Anna breaks up with him and gets together with Kristof so that he, and by proxy his adoptive troll family, will rule Arendale.
The worst part? As the trolls put it, the mind can be convinced, the heart not so much. So Hans is probably caught in his body, still madly in love with Anna, unable to control his own actions and forced to watch as his own manipulated mind makes him do evil shit.
So, yeah, I believe Hans genuinely isn't evil on his own - the trolls are.
He partake,
He awake,
But most importantly...
*THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE*
lol
He burn at the stake
He cool like milkshake
But most importantly
That was his mistake
Im the 420 like bois
@@imnotputtingmyname2926 nice man
omg that played in the video as soon as I clicked read more lol
i actually think hans would make a good king. anytime he's with the people or the court of the country, he is clearly a leader. when anne leaves to find elsa, he takes charge, he cares for the people, and when the two sisters are gone he takes care of the country in eternal winter just fine. _of course_ he tried to kill elsa, he thinks she's a bad person who has terrifying supernatural powers and cast eternal winter over the country and made snow monsters. i think he would've actually made a good husband for anna, they really had chemistry at the start. i also think neither of the sisters were emotionally or mentally available to rule a country at the start. i don't know, the direction they took with their characters just feel really forced.
this makes great points! justice for hans!
I agree the crab is indeed superior. He has *GOLD* as camouflage. The whole point of camouflage is to be subtle but my man TAMATOA uses drip to hide. *AMAZING* .
*drip check* 🥴
drip on point fam frfr on god
he won the gold camo from CoD
He doesn't need to camouflage
Technically he is a twist villain because it’s a twist the gold pile is the bad guy
I realized Hans was the villain after Kristoff was introduced because I knew they didn't have enough run time left for there to be a love triangle.
I got suspicious when he said, "That's what I was gonna say," after Anna said "sandwiches". There's was no way he'd be that dumb.
That and the line "I've been searching my whole life to find my own place," he waves his hand out the window towards a view of the kingdom. That right there was my big, red flag.
Jack Kemp When he proposed I knew he was bad. Surely he couldn’t be that stupid to marry someone he just met (especially a princess) if he didn’t have any sort of other plans. I was like “he’s not serious right?” when I first watched it.
My 11-year-old sister figured out Evelyn because she's the only Incredibles character to swear. I know it's dumb but if you think about it she's not entirely wrong.
Holy shit what do you mean
I was like "bruh it's Evelyn I'm not 6" 🤦
Boi i meant the swear part
Always a Human Fighter
When do they swear?
@@redstoneofaja5452 she says crap
disney could’ve made elsa struggle with grief and wanting to be accepted, so the let it go sequence would actually make sense, but she doesn’t actually know *how* to use her powers in order to feel free, so the whole time she spends at the ice castle she resents her parents for making her hide her powers thus making her unable to fully explore them and control them when needed. we could’ve had a similar « spiraling into madness » case as jinx does in arcane, since they have similar core needs that aren’t met, leading them to feeling frustrated, hurt and misunderstood. the fact that elsa mistakingly and unknowingly casted an eternal winter that she doesn’t know how to undo could’ve been a great way to enhance the resentment she feels towards her parents and the shame that comes with it would explain any aggressive/defensive behavior she could’ve exhibited. keep in mind that i’m going for the original snowqueen story, hence why all the elements of disney’s story should act as catalysts for her becoming a villain. anyway, elsa freezes her sister’s heart and learns later that she’d died from it, after hans tried in fact to kiss her but failed to undo the curse and lashing out at anna who suffers a slow, painful and very tragic death. hans then does in fact try to kill elsa for obvious reasons, nit that he actually loved anna but in order to make a good impression on the people and hopefully being seen as a good replacement king. he then goes on to blame elsa for her sister’s death and basically everyone just blames her making her feel extremely cornered in a situation where she has yet to process the fact that her sister died. she could then breakdown or lash out hurting/killing many pol in the process, because she CAN’T CONTROL HER POWER and ends up feeling like shit, being even more hated and feared, and after running away to another location, where she builds a new castle that would LOOK like someone who just lived through a horrible event built it, trying to recollect herself and process things, but every time she does that she breaks down so her only coping mechanism is to repress whatever emotions she is feeling as to not cast an endless winter on the whole entire world, but add to that all the nightmares, hallucinations of all the ppl she knew, creepy shadows and the voice from the second movie which could’ve been A HUGE contribution to her slow madness spiral, then ppl could try hunting her down again which only increases her anxiety and fear of hurting others and ends up hurting ppl in the process…but like elsa never actually worked on her emotions or processed any of them then at some point she could just, accept that she is the bad guy after all, and that she wants to discover her powers so she doesn’t care what happens after all, which worsens the winter and makes more and more ppl hate her and go after her. then you’d have a somewhat close replica to the original snow queen, plus some badly managed trauma responses and symptoms. she’d then start doing whatever she wants on impulse and doesn’t care about the consequences anymore, basically your typical villain that couldn’t been avoided have some ppl kept their mouths shut. imagine if after a while, elsa stops being scared of the voice from the second movie and tries finding out who it is, but instead of the closure she gets in the original sequel, this time all of her trauma resurfaces forcing her to face it but instead of working that out but she doesn’t like that so she destroys the cave thing etc…i can see why disney couldn’t adapt this for a kid’s movie
Damn. Amazing story plot, but not really a kids movie. Great idea though, you should be a writer :D
@@mylw4387 Tim Burton would love this plot
Bro wrote a whole essay 💀
Tf u took an hour to write that
A+ on the essay *clap* *clap* *clap*
Wait, if else can’t control her powers, how she build an ice castle on command?
Dude Syndrome is NOT a twist villain he’s a surprise villain because we don’t know who he is until he explains it.
Surprise twist???
This would mean that Yokai/Callaghan is not a twist villain either.
Technically Syndrome is still a twist villain bc the “twist” was that his company turned out to be against supers. Much like King Candy/Turbo, the “reveal” is more abt his identity than his intentions. His character didn’t flip on a dime like many twist villains, but I’d still classify him as one. At least a distant cousin
How could you NOT recognize him
Unrelated, but I made your comment 2.1k likes 🙂
I think the best Pixar villain is the lamp he just straight up murders the _i_ and gets away with it by becoming the _i_ and it falls into an amazing conflict and story.
lol
Best Villain
YES
Hecc yeah
And it does all that after also murdering various rubber balls. Man, that lamp is EVIL
I would’ve rewritten Professor K to be unaware of Tadashi’s death and have a moment of weakness. That way he can be more human and dimensional and maybe in that weakness he breaks down and he works with Hiro and the others to get Abigail back in a better way. So it’s still defeating the villain but in a less violent way.
Dam go work for Disney
same, like when hiro told him that tadashi died because of the fire he started, i expected professor k to be shocked and go silent for a moment to process what hiro said, him and tadashi were very close and they gave off a father-son relationship but the movie literally brushes that away and makes professor k look like a heartless piece of shit
THAT WAS THEIR MISTAKE
He sucks a as villain, he trash
Agreed. Tadashi wasn't just some student, he was literally his pride and joy. Having that nuance in him, that regret, could actually build a better case for WHY his friends stop him from killing the Professor. Of course it would also involve rewriting the end fight so he's not just a one-dimensional villain but it would make a better plot.
18:20 I think what she was trying to do was KEEP superheroes illegal. Winston was getting close to relegalizing superheroes. She couldn't just make a superhero fail at their job, because someone would succeed somewhere else. Making them revolt would keep anyone from ever wanting to do it again.
It would have been better if she wanted to control all superheroes for herself as a standing army.
Wait the sheep was the villan in zootopia
I completely forgot
Wait... Sheep? Oh, right, she exists!
I forgot about her too....
And to thing I really liked Zootopia.
I still do but the villan still sucks
I'm ashamed that I still remember her name
I just wish they had kept the original cyberpunk dystopia storyboard. I get it, though. Every time Disney tried to experiment, (Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Tomorrowland), it ended it financial disaster.
Bro King Candy being revealed to be Turbo was lowkey a shocking twist.
Shocking does not equal good. Turbo's sideplot has practically zero relevance to the rest of the story, it was shoved into the script _after_ the king was made into the obligatory villain, not the other way around.
Ikr
@@yarpen26 isn't his relevance tied to Penelope's character? because Turbo wanted to keep playing a racing game, he took the place of Penelope, turning her into a glitch, which motivates her to win the preliminatory races, and the only reason she can't is because King Candy is afraid of what would happen to him if she does. Him being Turbo explain King Candy's antagonism.
the plot could work with Penelope just being a scrapped character, and the other characters not allowing her to participate could be a normal fear (you know, the excuse King Candy gives Ralph to not help her), but i can see why the writers choose to make Turbo an actual character.
@@photogenicBlur I can kinda see what they were going for but srsly I dont really see a reason to have turbo in the game just have king candy continue to be a crazed lunatic and he could be an even better Disney type villain
@@huntercorrales6794 The entire purpose in the Turbo/King Candy story was to create that fear of the broken game/unplugging. King Candy just being himself and wanting to rule isn't powerful enough because Vanelope didn't even care about ruling over Sugar Rush. She would have probably let him. But the fear of Vanelope being a glitch, causing the game to be unplugged, and her being trapped/deleted is a real fear in this world. For Turbo's plan to work, he has to chameleon his way into Sugar Rush and make sure Vanelope Never wins thus resetting the game. Also, her being a glitch causes her to be the ultimate lonely character. Ralph and Turbo have sad backstories but they were free to leave their games. Vanelope was forever stuck in a world where everyone disliked her. There's never a pointless moment/detail in a properly written story.
Syndrome wasn’t a twist villain, we just got to see his backstory first
But we didn't know he'll come back as a main villain
He still was a twist villain
Yeah but most of his examples are important characters that "twist" towards the end. We didn't see him as a "good guy" throughout the film like the rest of the villains. He just shows up later.
Yeah that’s true, he was never presented as a good guy.
Some twist villians are good. Up villian was decent in my opinion, so is Quite a few.
I’m surprised that no one mentioned the bowler hat guy from Meet the Robinsons. That movie is so underrated and, in my opinion, a good plot twist villain
william joyce stories my beloved 💞 do you like rise of the guardians too?
"Zootopia's villain is the worst ever"
Me: *wait they had a villain?*
The real twist villain was the Mandela effect
I actually loved that movie so much. The sheep being the main villain....eh, but I loved it way too much to be put off by that.
Fr, I was baffled when I heard the sheep lady was the villain. What a forgettable villain
The true villain un zootopia is polític.
*LIKE THE REAL LIFE*
My only gripe about Zootopia is the villain. A perfect movie turned into a great movie because of that.
Bad Twist villain: A good guy that magically turns evil
Good Twist villain: A bad guy that pretended to be good for his plan to work
Great Twist villain: A guy that had shared ideals with the main characters but further these ideals due to some event, and their actions are 100% logical in his/her mindset
The best Twist villain: The bad guy helps the good person because it is also his goal - but he intends to use extreme means to archive it at all costs
@@TotallyNotAFox yeah uh no
@@TotallyNotAFox that's not a villain, that's an anti-hero
@@Mysteri0usChannel I don't mean the anti-hero that is clear to see. More like a good guy along the team that helps the hero, "betrays" him at the end and uses the archievement of overthrowing the evil to fullfil his own "evil" plan. Example: The heroes managed to prevent the destruction of their planet by stealing a superweapon - the hero wants to destroy it but the twisted villain wants to use it to dominate others so he betrays the hero at the end. Thinking only total dominance could save his home the new villain is ready to destroy everything in his path.
@@TotallyNotAFox in that case they don't have the same goal. The goal of the hero is to save the world, the goal of the villain is to dominate it.
King Candy/Turbo is kind of special in that he's more of a "surprise, i'm not this antagonist, i was actually THIS antagonist the whole time". It does let him keep his character, and it doesn't throw out any of the character development and the character he shows us, we just kinda know why he's as insane as he is.
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17:34 i suppose he just wanted for the public to think he was dead and hiro's invention was destroyed in the process as well, so nobody would suspect him to be a masked guy nor looking for him and nanobots idk
God, with Zootopia they were so close. Like, all they had to do was have her be the exact same, except when she was with both Nick and Judy, have her be nice and bubbly to Judy, but either awkward, scared, or aloof with Nick, to at least allude she feels differently about predators/prey. Nothing too heavy handed or obvious, no major scene changes or additions, just a tiny change in interaction with a single character would've been more than enough.
Seriously? I thought the twist with Zootopia was great.
@@nicholasemjohnson47 What did you like about it?
@@nicholasemjohnson47 Me too, one of my favorite animated movies
@@nicholasemjohnson47 did you watch the same movie as all other normal people?
@@lookaquarter The evil sheep was so clearly given cause, no one gave her respect, so she had a very good reason to go nuts.
Hans was just mad he never got to finish Ana's sandwich like she said in the song. You're not you when you're hungry.
Eat a snickers
Have a snickers.
Consume a Snickers
Absord a snickers
Digest a snickers
Dude, the rock trolls screenslaving Hans makes so much sense. They wanted him out of the way so that their boy could get in good with Anna.
SO TRUE
I mean, Hans allowed it. That was his mistake.
@@hrgjblv Noice.
Yep
Man if i didn't watch frozen i would have believed you
I remember trying to justify Hans as a twist villain by discovering the very details of why he is written this way and it kind of works.
But the fact that I needed to really observe the story and make an explanation out of obscure and over-looked/under-played details in the first place is just really bullshit on itself.
No it doesn't work. Hans had nothing tangible to win by killing both sisters without marrying one.
Yep. All Hans had to do was let the crossbow hit Elsa and the end.
Line of succession held, winter is over because the caster is dead.
So why didn’t he? Bad writing and a huge plot hole.
Hans: I'll marry into the kingdom, now I just need a princess-
**I think I'll kill both**
P O L I T I C S
well, obwiously, you need a vewy high iq in order to understand the intricacies of royal political standoffs.
[translation: let's kill the royals. then the land will be easy pickings]
Man, I hated that so much. Because movie was actually pretty good otherwise.
@ the heck
@ frozen? oh, it's a simple movie, a kids movie. there's not too much to say about it
That Rocket scene was perfectly lip synced.
@Reeveson Masilamani but he spaced it right
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Plot Twist: Matt Damon is the real villain in Arthur.
SpongeBobDisneyMarioFan3715 Think about it. If Matt Damon directed the whole show in-universe, he put Arthur in every crappy situation that happens to him, as part of the show
SouprSpookr2020 Matt Damon uses his powers to control all the people Arthur encounters when he gets in bad situations to make sure Arthur will never eat lunch in his town again.
His most evelist plan is to make sure no one will eat lunch in this town again.
Dream Productions He will make sure everyone starves to death. He will eat all the food in only one bite just like Kirby. SpongeBob, Moana, Arthur, and Will Smith Fish are the only ones who can stop him.
Matt Damon will make us starve to death by making us not eat lunch in our towns again.
I said this on another video: how was Callaghan able to build a portal using the microbots if he most likely didn’t know how to build a portal from memory? If the microbots are like a genie that can build literally anything you want, he could make a “god machine” that makes himself basically God, letting him take over the universe, subject Krei to incomprehensible pain, and bring his…daughter…back yeah you see the problem here?
He salvaged the parts from the test site.
Hes also a well known engineer, so he probably would know what steps to do to fix it, especially if he had it planned out beforehand
@@starrysymphonies Yeah, that’s a good point. Though, Cray’s experiment was the first portal ever made in that world, so I don’t see how Callaghan would know how to build the portal from scratch by himself.
Well, whatever happens, there will always be one animated villain in the modern age with clear motivations, an iconic, menacing presence throughout his whole story, and a general abstinence from needlessly trying to pull the rug out from under the audience:
That is of course Oscar the Shark Slayer.
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Syndrome
i believe you mean SHAAAARK SLAYER!!!
I thought you were going to say Tamatoa xd
To quote some random person on tumblr
"Everyone in frozen is E rated, Hans came straight out of game of thrones"
CloudyGamer41 Yessss
E?
Specifically the last few episodes of Game of Thrones where the writing is terrible and characters actively worked against their own interests.
@@mostlikelyaperson6940 E stands for Everyone as in suitable for all ages.
@@ap7635 oh game ratings
The game of thrones thing threw me off
I like to delude myself into thinking that the evil Hans bullshit never happened.
It wasn’t meant to happen
Thanks Todoroki very cool, how's Yaoyorozu?
Honestly yeah, like even as it was happening I just like didn’t believe it, like my mind just siding process it because it was that stupid and nonsensical
Yeah, but at around 7:57 theres saturn valley music
When I originally watched the movie, I was too dumb to know he was a twist villain. I thought they established that he was a villain when he raided Elsa's castle.
When he said “Choo-choo Muntz”, I questioned when “Choo-choo Charles” had been released, and if this was an accidental foreshadowing.
(Also, Disney and Pixar have actually become the same company. 4:16.)
Ralph Breaks The Internet's villain was Ralph's insecurities.
Kinda smart.
Movie was still ass tho
I kinda liked it
Carter M. Well, Ralph was an idiot
But the creators weren’t....
It done sucked ass
That whole movie was fucking bad.
Bellwether could be fixed by setting up more signs that something was off about her.
Maybe when she sees Judy, she's bubbly and happy. But then when she sees Judy and Nick (or just Nick), she begins to have a bit of a smile fade. She could be visibly uncomfortable (not making eye contact, sitting further away from Nick, avoiding Nick both verbally and physically, etc.). Then as the movie progresses she begins to get less and less kind towards Judy BECAUSE she's been working with Nick.. who is a predator. At some point in the last 40 minutes, Judy realizes something seems off with Bellwether and she asks what's wrong. Then you do the reveal scene with Judy and Nick carrying the evidence case and Bellwether asks for the case just like she does in original movie. Then Judy asks why she's acting so weird. Bellwether does the reveal face (smile fade) and she starts monologuing about what she thought about Nick and Judy's partnership. (Doesn't like it because predators are bad) Then ya have the same scene play out except Bellwether is being a little less dramatic.
Boom. Improved twist villain.
That would be the BEST
Please. Go work for Disney. You got this 👍🏻
Or instead, Bellwether is revealed to be the villain earlier, and when Nick and Judy try to tell everyone, no one believes them
See this is perfect
This actually works great
This man has summed up my feeling towards frozen’s twist so well!
It felt like the writers were thinking “Anna can’t have 2 nice guys in her life, make the rich one evil”
"Make the rich one evil"
I feel like I have seen this twist in so much stuff, but I swear I can't remember one story where it happens
That’s literally what happened. Elsa was the villain until they were writing her song and they decided fuck not today. Let’s make Hans the bitch.
@@goblin7189 Isn't the original story where Frozen is taken from based around Elsa's original character being the villain? To be fair, it makes sense to change it, Elsa's one of the most popular characters ever. Everyone loves her.
Altrantis yeah. Elsa was the villain, it was like legit snow queen. Then they wrote let it go and said “fuck no sisters are loving let’s make rich bitch the villain instead of the love interest.”
Pieguy And fries lol agreed, and I can only imagine what shitty last minute villain they are gonna make with the sequel
John Lasseter was a textbook example of a twist villain.
In a nutshell
Villain: Hey lets be friends
Good guy: Sure
Villain: Do my bidding
Good Guy: Sure
Villain: Haha! Im evil!
Good Guy: Nooooooo!
Villain: Im defeated, Disney/Pixar got the money anyways
Good Guy: We win, Happy Ending Good bye
More like
Villain: *speaks*
Good guy: Ok i believe you
No effort, just make another ooky spooky twist villain. Ooh we’re making viewers question the characters now.....or question why they wasted their damn money when they could have gotten Starbucks or something.
Pretty true,not gonna lie.
@@fostyfrosty7120 is that a just a pancake reference?
@@seasaltlover7409 why yes, yes it is
Okay but why did he rewrite Frozen better than the movie lmao. I’d probably have liked it more if Hans really did kiss her and it just didn’t work, not because she loved Kristoff more but because she wanted to marry him to give herself some semblance of a happy relationship in her life
This comment is better than the entire movie
To be fair enchanted did that already, but doing it again would still be better than what we got.
@@joewii2458 Redoing movie concepts for the better isn't something Disney does. In fact, they do the opposite
Elsa should have been the villain
This!
I think the ending of frozen could have been the exact same without Han being the villain. Just he kisses Anna, it does nothing, he assumes this means Anna's far too gone and leaves angrily to go after Elsa, while Anna realizes this means he simply wasn't her true love. Boom can keep he ending 99% intact with just some tweaks (like him being in disbelief when Anna saves Elsa and of course eventually being thawed. Have him and Anna decide they simply arnt right for each other, and idk maybe he goes back home to his kingdom?) Boom, simple fix that doesn't destroy his character.
hans being the villain for the reason "taking over the kingdom" doesnt make any sense. see he first wanted to marry anna so he could be king which kinda would'nt work out since anna was the younger one and she was only next in line to be queen after elsa the older sister. then elsa, who kind of just became queen left which make anna the heir and the queen. so that would have been in favor of hans if he married anna he would directly become king. but nooo he chose to kill both the sisters which is counter to his plan. if both the sisters ie. direct heir to the throne die then its not hans who gets the kingdom. the next in line after anna who probably would be their relatives or cousins anyway any blood relative would be the one to be crowned. hans who isnt even of the kingdom doesnt fall in line for the throne in any way unless he marries someone from the royal family. so i really dont understand why he tried to kill anna mainly. as killing elsa would've kinda made sense asa if she is dead then while anna would be queen there would be no chance of her comming back to reclaim the throne.
Or this could be the point where he becomes the „villain“ because after that he tries to kill elsa out of revenge for what she‘s done or to be the hero that saved the land etc. and it’s that reaction which makes Anna realize WHY he couldn‘t be her true love. Leave out all that „he plotted everything from the beginning“ bulls*** that made it so frustrating and it could still be turned into a tangible lesson about falling in love with someone you don‘t really know or whatever
@@Xinisterr well in the movie after he locked Anna in that one room and went to those people saying she just died he also said that she has given him a 'marriage promise' (idk how to correctly translate this word from German) which would make him king. Because he doesn't love Anna he wanted to get rid of her but still would've become king because of this promise she supposedly gave him before 'dying'
Can I pretend that's how it went?
Shit, man, you're right. I'd like to change that maybe Anna initiates the split because of his attack on her sister, no matter his reason. Which he has to accept, and leaves with his angry old man. But other than that, solid reasoning, and gives some drama / character to Hans when he's shocked and upset after Anna sacrifices herself.
I actually really like the approach Pixar takes in some movies where one villain is known from the start and another is a twist villain. When it's done well of course. I think Randall and Waternoose are a really good example which you said in the video.