Uncancelled History with Douglas Murray | EP. 07 Age of the Explorers
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- Felipe Fernández-Armesto joins Douglas Murray on this episode to discuss the Age of the Explorers. From Magellen to Christopher Columbus, the two give an in-depth examination of the era. Should the Age of the Explorers stay cancelled?
Uncancelled History re-evaluates events, people, and ideas that have otherwise been cancelled from the past. Learn more at www.uncancelledhistory.com
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I absolutely love the guest! He proves that history and historians don't have to be so somber and serious. Really enjoyed his sense of humor.
The education you can get online is definitely next-level.
Excellently put , great way to learn .
The roster of guests for this series is already most impressive. I watch these as soon as I can when they come out. They never fail to educate and make sane. A fantastic idea for a series and no better man to arrange it.
I've never seen a historian so steeped in his period. He's like a time traveller the way he has such vivid, emotional reactions to everything and an all-encompassing vision of the past.
That is a quality I have always associated with Shelby Foote
Facts are becoming very difficult to find. Douglas Murrays' Uncancelled History, brings to us the most interesting subjects & guests filled with fascinating facts.
I disagree completely. Facts are easier to find than ever. What's changed is that you actually have to _find_ them, they no longer fall into your lap.
I'd say rather that facts are hard to find if your only sources are the mainstream news and entertainment media. You can go to any library, though, and read books. Not as fashionable, perhaps, but they still work just fine.
What a great man to listen to. I didn't go to university and it's great just to be able to tap into stuff like this these days on TH-cam. Thanks to everybody for putting this together.
Maybe follow up your hero worship, by reading up on the sad history of Hispaniola. Just for balance,
@@MsColl90I think the real balance lies in knowing that those were different times. Gruesome stuff happened absolutely everywhere.
Now, the real stupidity lies in believing it was a uniquely European invention. The only differentiating factor is that we were more successfull at it through our technological edge and recent enough (and in times where writing existed) that people still care about it.
We are however the only society that abolished slavery and invented human rights. So there's that. A little thank you would be nice.
Every people in every corner of the world commited atrocities. So get over it already.
You know, the thing with university is that people come out of it as subject "expert" and then think they're smarter when all they are is... A subject specialist (and often in rather narrow fields). Degreed people often think they know more than they do. They should keep to their subjects because it's often quite apparent that they barely know anything outside their fields. Their guess is as good as yours. So don't take that university thing too serious. It's just one of many relevant factors, and not the most important one either...
"prejudice is inviolable by fact", great phrase
As an Anglo-Hispanic myself, I feel deep patronage with Columbus and the Spanish Empire that followed him. The final straw for me was when they tried to tear down the Juan de Onate statue in New Mexico. I have ancestors that served with Onate. And they wonder why Hispanics are voting Republican….
You're mixing up Spain and the American umbrella term "Hispanic" for Spanish-speaking people.
@@kogoromori30 Yes, please continue to tell this person about their own lineology. Clearly you know more about it than they do.
@@willashland4597 Where am I wrong, idi*t? He clearly writes about "Hispanics" as if it is a race, which it is not. Spain = Europe = White. Really not that hard.
While I am not endorsing the removal of the Juan de Onate statue, I do believe the people who did so were motivated by the specific wrongs committed by Juan de Onate himself, not the Spanish in general.
@@BS-vx8dg Removing a privately owned statue a few centuries after the fact will really change what happened. Not. 😅
Funny, the amount of comments mentioning the "off-putting", "inappropriate" laughter of the professor when talking about "serious issues"... To me the tone and the chuckling was nothing but endearing. Not to mention the compelling erudition of what he's actually saying. Maybe people discussing us in 500 years time will call this the Age of Earnest Misery.
The incessant guffawing was entirely off-putting and distracting. Having an intelligent discussion with wit and charm is one thing, inappropriate cackling is something else.
Age of Ernest Misery. I love it.
For the commenters, the Age of focus on non-essentials.
His enthusiasm for the history that he teaches is awesome... would love to take some history classes with this professor...
@@manusha1349 Totally agree. Fascinating topic with many interesting & informative points, but the repeated inappropriate laughing during discussion of distinctly unfunny matters was very distracting and undermined credibility.
I took it as a rather gentle giod-natured fellow with a uniquely [goofy British] charming personality and bubbling with the passion of discussing his life's passion... people need to lighten up.
Fantastic discussion. I've been a fan of Professor Fernandez-Armesto's work for many years, especially his books on pre-Columbian exploration in the Atlantic, his work on Columbus, Vespucci, and most recent book on Magellan. He's a rare academic who writes serious peer-reviewed history as well as high quality work for the layperson. I admire him for coming on to talk intelligently about Columbus, but I doubt he will change opinion. Columbus is now firmly planted in the realm of the post-truth. He exists outside of space and time. He exists in the fantasy world of our minds. Whatever you think about him suffices. If the evidence suggests otherwise, throw a temper tantrum. We all have more important things to do. It's a shame so many comments here complain about the good professor's accent and mannerisms. I find his enthusiasm infectious and sincere. Read his work. It's rigorous and engaging.
Fascinating discussion. Another hit in a great series! Great job Douglas!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Last Columbus Day I actually thought that we could sure use a Paulie Walnuts right now!
His enthusiasm is infectious
"So why didn't Columbus make it to China?" Douglas is so cheeky hahaha
Because America got in the way!
Come now. Let’s be serious. Columbus was a mercenary not a hero. It was a commercial venture. He was looking for gold and all his voyages were financed to make a profit. The unfortunate native peoples of the Caribbean islands he plundered did not survive the encounter.
If hero worship is your thing, you can admire such behaviour. Just don’t lie about it.
Brilliant, once again. Many thanks, Douglas Murray.
The problem with toppling down monuments is that everyone loses in this game; to all the arguments against it that Dr. Fernandez-Armesto expressed I would add simply that once begun, this game has no end: after Columbus they will find another historical figure they will call "nazi" or "racist" and after that person is "erased", they will move on to the next, and next and so on. Ultimately, sooner or later, the Left will run into people who are not so "easily" categorized as "racist" and then what?
This Stalnist technique of "erasing" historical figures based on some dimwitted misunderstanding of history will ultimately cut both ways and will not only ruin our country but impoverish it culturally. These Leftist lunatics don't understand this either and this is precisely the reason why everyone who opposes the idea of toppling down Columbus' (or any other historical figure) monuments, should double their efforts to stop this.
They want no culture. Only the state.
I wish I could take a class with this guy as my professor! He has such a sense of fun and humor, and so much knowledge! Another great episode for Mr. Murray (no surprise)!
Thanks for watching!
I'd bet half a peach that this chap had sparked one up before the interview.
What a refreshing and amusing interview that is! Thank you both! Made my day
You can sense the respect DM has for the knowledge and wisdom. Thanks.
Wonderful discussion... If context collapse is the plague of our age, this show is doing its best at context reconstruction. Keep it up chaps!
Our ancestors were glorious. We need to be more like them.
And much less like them. It really depends what you mean by that statement. Clearly people are of their time so their flaws are of their time but to use an extreme case; Hitler. Are we going to judge him based on his actions or are we going to judge him based on the time period he lived in?
Clearly, there are ways to gauge a persons moral character not just by our current standards but by relative standards in the time period.
Our ancestors were the greatest and the creators of everything that has made the modern west great
@@LogicSpeaks No, more like them. The current "criticism" against - say, Columbus - are based on a complete arrogance of historical records. It goes beyond "relative standards in the time period". People who scream the loudest are the ones who know the least of the people they are screaming about. We need more people like Columbus, not less.
@@dylan4964 Yes, we live in times of abundance and comfort never experienced before. An average person has luxuries available to kings and emperors of the past, if available at all. We need to appreciate and thank our ancestors for their lives spent on hard labor so we could enjoy our comfortable lives many of us waste on scrolling through FB and/or Twitter on their mini-computers, often referred to as "smart phones".
Amen 🙏
Love the enthusiasm. Would love to have been taught history by Felipe. His students don't know how good they have it.
Another superb installment in the series. I particularly enjoyed his rich, fruity Royal Shakespeare Company voice as he conveyed his point.
This series is essential viewing. Excellent work.
The plummiest two voices in the anglosphere collide. I liked it.
I was thinking the same.
I agree the guest is plummy. It is incredibly rare now because so many from the oxbridge set have become self conscious or mocked into extinction
@@johnclark546 Their academic successors will ape Jamaican patois out of economic necessity.
This was a new word to me: plummy - (of a person's voice) having an accent thought typical of the English upper classes.
"a plummy voice rich with haughty disdain"
I'm a bit plummy. The 'system' in the UK does it's best to cancel me. BBC avoid me like the plague!
I love this series. Can we expect an episode about the history of slavery? I would love to learn more about the Barbary States.
There is an excellent book called “White Gold”, I highly recommend it. A brilliant read
Absolutely delightful and informative conversation. Loving the show!
I have found all the episodes so far very informative and engaging. Maybe there could be one on the Australian colonisers (Captain Cook and co.).
Those in Australia who in keeping with the spirit of the times revile Cook and pour red paint over his statues fail to understand that he was not a colonizer.
He sailed on a scientific expedition to observe the transit of Venus across the face of the sun, went on to map New Zealand and the east coast of Australia and following his instructions planted a flag at Possession Island and claimed the east coast for Britiain. He never thought any use would be made of the place. It was the well connected botanist on the voyage, Sir Joseph Banks who is responsible for Botany Bay getting its name and who promoted the establishment of a colony there.
The initial colonizers, the First Fleet of convicts and marines under captain Arthur Philip decided that Botany Bay s did not live up to Banks' hype and found a better location at the next inlet to the north and established a settlement at Sydney cove.
Cook also planted a flag and claimed possession of Alaska for Britain on a later voyage, but as no one promoted Alaska as a colony it was ignored and eventually claimed by the Russians, who later sold it to the US.
Another winner, Douglas. Thank you. What a knowledgeable, jolly guy. I wish that I had professors like this in school on any topics. (concessions to ignorance...that's it in a nutshell today on so many topics)
Is Filepe's accent an Eton drawl? I could listen to him all day.
Agreed; my only complain is that when he chuckles, I sometimes could not understand what he was saying as he has this rare skill of laughing and talking at the same time.
I always wondered what became of Thurston Howell III after he got rescued from Gilligan's Island. I never imagined he would take up a teaching career. Lol
Thank you again. Another enlightening talk. These explorers were the astronautes of their time. It’s such a shame the current world judges history by our current advantages, not by the knowledge of the time.
Best new TH-cam series out there!!
We're glad you think so!
@@douglasmurray BTW, since we are gushing over the series (deservingly so!): what is this intro music? I like it a lot and would like to hear the piece in its entirety. The way the music swells and then fades away just before the start always tickles me the right way.
Is this programme "the age of the explorers" or the "the age of columbus and supplementary bashing of magellan"?
Where are Vasco da Gama, Pedro Álvares Cabral, Diogo Cão, João Fernandes Lavrador (after whom canadian Labrador region is called), etc, etc? Where are the reference that portugueses sailors painstaking mastered the wind patterns along the coast of africa, to reach Asia, the first to establish trade routes all the way from europe to japan.
I am an avid consumer and admirer of Murray's programmes, books and articles and I have serious respect for the guest who is very enlightened scholar, however due credit should have been given to portuguese explorers who laid the groundwork for the creation of the first really global trade empire and certainly the title shouldn't have been so misleading.
Here, here, so true. The Portuguese explorerers with Prince Henry the Navigator really started the Age of Discovery.
Love all the episodes of “Uncancelled history”. Hope they continue after the 10th episode. Thank you so much! 🙏❤
Douglas. In terms of revivifying "cancelled" history: please contact Tom Woods. I think he could point to many things and guarantee at least a few seasons more of this wonderful show. Tom is a free thinking history phd who has been thinking for decades "outside the 3 by 5 card of allowable opinion" to use one of his own phrases.
In any case: Thank You
This sheer passion this man has for what he talks about had me smiling for the entire video!
Thank you so much for these informative videos!! I’m enjoying them very much!
Glad you like them!
There was no other subject in elementary school that lit me up more than learning about the world's great explorers. I created games with friends where I was one of these courageous humans. 5 decades later and a life of travel and stories, these same explorers, tall ships and anyone who took the risk they did remains a favorite subject! Thank you for such an exciting guest.
I love this scholar’s enthusiasm. Would have been a privilege to be a student in his class.
Thank you Douglas - Love all your work - this series bringing wonderful perspectives from your choice of scholars is engaging to watch ‼️
This one has . . . Shall we say . . . has “British enthusiasm “ that is fun & valuable 😊to the conversation
What an amazing deeply knowledgeable charismatic lecture. I'd love to have been his student!
👏👏👏
What a wonderful discussion and delightful guest!!! Thank you so much for this episode. ❤
Another excellent presentation...absolutely riveting.
It's also interesting that ancient Greek and Roman writers both held that the Oceanic boundaries outside the known world were populated by monstrous creatures who on many instances were virtuously superior beings. The kunokephales were dog-headed men but ironically an inversion of the Greek way of life and therefore more virtuous. Far from xenophobic, there is an ambiguity to the ancient mind.
Since I first watched this interview I have been training my internal voice to sound like this gentleman and boy have I been having fun…
Great episode! When I heard Douglas introduce a Felipe Fernandez-Arnesto, I wasn't expecting him to sound like that!
Very serious and guickly flows into an energetic and excited mood. He actually likes his subject
What a wonderfully jolly and interesting chap
Yes, reminds me Mary Poppins' Uncle Albert
A pompous throw back, like Professor Henry Higgins!
@@tm3008 Hardly.
Just subscribed & looking foward to hearing Douglas at his craft. All the best folks.🎉
Such an entertaining and educational series! I wish Google Podcast let you rate the podcast you listen to. Keep up the phenomenal work Douglas!
This gentleman does have an extraordinary enthusiasm for his subject.
Superb conversation, exploring profound people and ideas
Didn’t expect that accent from a Felipe - awesome guest.
That was excellent listening. Thank you so much Douglas. Bravo!!
Thank you both for a wonderful presentation
Oh my god I love this guys voice! Initially I thought he was putting us on, but wow! And Douglas, brilliant job as usual. Top three of my favourite people on earth today to listen to.
Uncancelling monetary history would be very useful I think. The folks at the Mises Institute would eager to help with that. They have been trying to uncancel and revive a branch of economics known as "the austrian school". This branch tries to understand economic processes and does not always arrive at conclusions that justify central management and control over economies and the money that serves as the lifeblood of the economy.
^ YES.
Wow, I didn't know there were any people left in the world who thought like you (and me). Tip o' the hat.
This is so very important!!!! Keep going, and thank you, Handsome Dougie!
Agree - rather than taking everything down, we should be adding new statues, public art etc to celebrate everyone
That's the problem with postmodernism; it can only destroy, never create.
Such sound advice on toleration! May Felipe be heard beyond Notre-Dame.
Brilliant conversation Thank you
Because the Aztecs were so peaceful.
Apart from the human sacrifice.
Love the snark Glove!
No no, human sacrifice is nothing….these fuckers held children in cages to fatten then eat them, never their own children, always lesser tribes….children of a lesser god.
Id love to see an episode on Capt Cook. Cook was similar in many ways to Columbus, he overcame prejudice too and had very sympathetic and advanced views towards indigenous people. The woke propaganda about Cook is typically uninformed and foolish.
Charles Murray is such a quality person and thinker. Now I see he is an amazing interviewer. He lets his guest speak. Then asks a question to get them started on a new tack. He is the best interview, and the best interviewer. Keep it up, Charles. This is one of the most interesting interviews I have ever seen.
This is the first episode i wasn't surprised by anything. Historic people were much worse represented in my education and media than diserved...
We need more Felipes in schools: not just a brilliant guy but seems like easy going and probably mixes a lot of chuckling into his lectures. Would listen for hours...
This gentleman was delightful and knowledgeable. On a sode note, he is what I expect a stereotypical British history professor to sound like. It is kind of endearing.
Interesting. When I did my undergraduate degree I did some history of latin america classes (taught by a Chilean) and no it wasn't tainted by the current poisoning. But the professor teaching us insisted the opposite of Felipe. The British and to a lesser extent the French were by-and-large more respectful and investment based in their colonies than the Spanish colonies which followed an exploitation rather than development route. Not sure who to believe, but I enjoyed hearing the opposite perspective.
For instance we learned the term "blue blood" came from the exploitative Spanish nobility from Spain as opposed to the mixed and "indio" the nobles from Spain had light enough skin that you could see their veins, their "blue blood".
I enjoy Ferdendez-Armesto's work and I admire him for doing "pop" audience interviews such as this one (and for writing rigorous, high quality history for the pop audience, which he has done). Clearly, he's painting here with broad strokes. His written work has much more nuance. At times, unfortunately, he does come across as an apologist for Spanish colonization in the Western Hemisphere. A full reading of his work suggests that he isn't, but the point you raise could be viewed that way.
I think what he's trying to convey is that the Spanish, by and large (the cone of South America being an exception), operated in geographies that were not hospitable to large-scale European settlement and so they had no choice but to work with local populations who they were fully interested in keeping alive, if only to manipulate and exploit for their labor. Whereas, in North America, the geography and climate was hospitable to British settlement. So, the British didn't "need" the indigenous people and moreover, pursued paths of extermination. Of course, the British have long held the opposite: that they were the more noble in their settlement of North America, whereas the Spanish were uniquely cruel. At any rate, I think Fernandez-Armesto's view is consistent with your professor's---that is, I think he would agree that Spanish activity in the New World (with some notable exceptions) was exploitative and to be exploitative meant they had to work with the societies they encountered.
Listening to this guest really makes me want to stroke my beard, smoke a pipe and say interesting words like ... "indubitably and quite"
Wish i had an history teacher like this man.
Brilliant! Love everything Douglas Murray.
This guy speaks the way I do in my dreams when I'm trying to talk but nothing comes out and none of the other characters are listening.
🤣🤣🤣 Me, too
He' s a foreigner.
I didn't know Robert De Niro taught history with an English accent. Good job Rob!
Loved that you reference to The Sopranos because I do believe it brought the “Columbus debate” to the attention of the American masses.
Interesting information. I am enjoying these uncanceled history episodes. When I mock an English accent, I use this guy's accent. It's the quintessential snobbish English professorial accent that Americans use to poke fun at the English...to the point where once in a while I can't even understand what the guy is saying.
How in the world I had to stumble upon this podcast 10 months into its creation is proof positive that the algo is being jimmied around with. No way history + Douglas Murray should've gone un-recommended.
So interesting and a great story teller. I can imagine how BLM would react to Columbus finding the "Natives" had their own slaves, putting the "Original sin" of slavery not the colonist but on the Indigenous Indian tribes. Not unlike African tribes who owned slaves.
They were after money. The countless amazing events and experiences that took place are another thing..... But ultimately avarice is what drove them.
Yes. The great explorers were driven by the same impulses that drove the financial oligarchs of the Gilded Age and the tech giants and others like them of today: money (and power). The old saw is that technology changes but people don't. What a surprise...
Is it my imagination, or does Douglas just get cuter all the time? ❤
The good professor is a bit eccentric, but rich in knowledge. Very good discussion.
Great interview. The professor is a special guy an example of what a professor should be.
31:59 I’m not even from the western world, and even I think there’s a huge difference between how the English and Spanish colonized the new world.
I traveled through all South America, crossing San Ysidro border all the way to Ushuaia: the level of racial, and cultural mix is insane. All reflected into mind blowing architecture, urban planning, food, music and traditions. Even the Spanish language being adapted to so many expressions, localism, ethnic groups. The concept of "race" is very deluded in the Hispanic world, is not something that they think too much about. Very different from the anglo culture.
Excellent as always!
‘Poor’ professor - he thinks “we are what we read” - in a world full of ‘we are what is trending on TikTok’ 😢😢😢
'they have women on their borders which shows they are in a state of conflict'
i listened to that 10 times. it is still funny
The title Age of Exploration needs adjusting to the Early Spanish Explorations or the beginning of Age of Exploration. We missed the Dutch, Henry the Navigator who promoted Portugese exploration, we missed Drake, Anson and of course Cook. This chap's history was very biased in commentary towards Spain but hey once you see it and discern it, you can extract the accurate bits and leave the rest. Have the sense of an old cow - eat the hay and leave the sticks!
Ha! I love that he's laughing the whole time! It shows his passion for his subjects and how personally he got to know them through his research.
My hope is that Douglas will do another series he can be passionate about.
I don't know that there are many historical figures remaining of broad enough appeal who also dovetail with his interests. But perhaps he could do a 10-part series on various revolutions/ends of empires?
These videos are fascinating.
I love his enthusiasm 👏👏👏
Very fascinating! Thank you.
He's an amazing toff, but I am all for it.
Keep it up old boy.
The moment they tried to pin the Jews with Columbus it was the nadir of his reputation. Thank you for this excellent and I would say fair overview
Thank you for such hi quality programming. I love the conversation.
Douglas Murray and Thomas Sowell need to be part of the US school curriculum. Thank you.
Mr Armesto is simplifying some of the past here by painting the Europeans as homogeneous and of the same mindset, even though the Magellan case proves otherwise. He was Portuguese and this fact is what caused a number of mutinies and why Magellan ended up executing his own soldiers. The FACT about iberians in the so called new world is that they were at war mostly with themselves, whether it was religious orders vying for souls, conquerors vying for riches and fame, poor people trying to break medieval customs by moving upward (Guerrero), or soldiers pissed off about not getting any slice of the pie. The same goes for the indigenes. I mean, how many times were they in civil wars when the divided iberians showed up? Finally, I think that the question of disease here regurgitates some old ideas, like Europeans being totally immune from disease. Wrong. Just do a websearch of pandemics in europe for the same period and they too were dying in mass. And what about pandemics before contact? There is much research now discussing pandemics, droughts, and disease before contact. The comments below say more about 'accents' than substance, and I think that is part of the problem: people paying too much attention to HOW they are saying something instead of WHAT they are saying....
Poor Douglas looks a little worn out by his guest's rollicking hilarity! Fascinating series though, and DM sets each episode up beautifully.
Kudos also to Mr. Murray for not squeezing his own thoughts and words out of Mr. Fernandez-Armesto. You just know that DM does not agree whole-heartedly with FF-A's opinions on colonialism - but leaves that subject for another episode and accords his guest the courtesy of speaking his own mind.
What an exceedingly British fellow.
What a jolly fellow
That Halifax pushed for peace and Dominion status in India, adapted to secure better relations with the US (unlike Keynes?) has to be a major plus. His tendency to negotiate with Hitler is I believe the other side of the same coin.
I appreciate this documentary for providing new insights and understanding of a complex subject and character
Love this discussion topic but, man, I couldnt keep from thinking of the "Upper-Class Twit of the Year" sketch.
This professor might be the most British, British guy voice ever… At least for American ears
I think it is dangerous to the historiography of Columbus to dismiss his religious motivation and that of the age in Europe.
He was in Spain at the height of the Reconquista and Columbus had the design to open a sea line route to China by sailing West to fund, through trade, a new crusade to retake Jerusalem from the [Moors] that have just been expelled from the Iberian Peninsula.
I wonder what Columbus knew of the Phoenicians travels.
Brilliant thanks!