Douglas Murray and His Continuing Fight against the "Madness of Crowds”
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- Recorded on November 23, 2020
A little over 18 months ago, we interviewed author and columnist Douglas Murray about his then new book The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity. That show was one of our most-watched interviews of 2019, so we thought it was time to sit down with Douglas again and get an update on where things stand with regard to, as Douglas describes in his book, “the interpretation of the world through the lens of ‘social justice,’ ‘identity group politics’ and ‘intersectionalism’ . . . the most audacious and comprehensive effort since the end of the Cold War at creating a new ideology.” We also discuss European politics, examine Boris Johnson’s tenure as UK prime minister, and take a sobering look at American politics from the perspective of a very sharp observer.
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Smart person asking another smart person smart questions. Internet heaven.
And we get to sit and listen! Love this program!
whats smart about it?
Just when I feel alone, stupid and almost desperate, I find a conversation like this. Thank God.
'God did this so that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from any one of us. For in Him we live and move and have our being.'
Acts 17v27-28
You're not alone, nor are you stupid. 👍
Frankly most people think reasonably or somewhat moderately like this. We are talking about political minorities that control the media, and corporations that bend the knee to communist Chinese views for money, and thus control the perception. It's reaching a boiling point where more and more people are realizing what this is, I feel, but a lot of damage has already been done/continues to be done. Many people have left the woke movement and continue to do so in increasing numbers, after they realize it has become a pseudo-religion (and especially after their city gets burned down).
@@lydiawalker-cox6881 One of my favorite scriptures! I would love to see end time prophesy injected into this conversation.
I've got your back.
It's truly refreshing to listen to sane men speak sense.
Common sense sounds like genius in an age of madness.
I’m seventy years old, so I won’t be around when the book is written about the gay guy who saved western civilization. But I did hear him make the case.
Great comment. Says this 70 year- old 👻
I really hope your right about our country being saved. But I wouldn’t be so fast to think being 70 is sparing you from seeing the near fatal collision we could be in store for, at least in the USA where the epicenter is and which I live in. You see,!Things can change quickly. Exponentially quickly......if historical examples have anything to show us just how fast
There are other voices, thank the gods. One of those voices is Professor Jordan Peterson. If you don't know of him yet, check him out I'm sure you would like him. Quite apart from anything else he has a towering intellect and a well developed sense of humour, sorely needed these days.
...you missed the Complete works of Oscar Wilde, then...
If even a small part of the hype about breakthroughs in medical research and longevity research is true, then you're not even over the hill yet. 🙃There's still a good chance you'll be around for that book and even get a signed copy of it.
Cannot get enough of Douglas Murray, a voice of reason in a sea of madness
Correction...a crowd of madness
Same, I could listen to him all day!
@@uninteresting1212 a flock of sheep
A herd of cattle, a covid of madness
@@uninteresting1212 It'k ok--It is indeed a sea of madness, esp here in NY. If you are a "normal, regular person", you better run for your life, if you can...
🤗
I feel helpless to the fact that my daughters have been taught to believe this ludicrous 'social justice' is the way to be a moral person. I am grateful to watch this video as I am realizing I was not the one that is going crazy.
As an indian. I feel sorry and pitty about Europe... I feel Europe has lost the will to fight...
The idiotic thing about this revenge is that these individuals never suffered the things they are seeking revenge for. So who are they seeking revenge for - because it wasn't them that suffered. It's an imaginary feeling that they are sating because they have no right to seek retribution often on the behalf of people that are no longer alive and didn't bequeath their feelings as a legacy.
"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, "You are mad; you are not like us."
- St. Anthony the Great of Egypt
This needs to be openly discussed on today's college campuses.
Hardly likely to happen ... only a short step to bookburning on campus at the moment
If you watch a MMA fight with a "transitioned" female, you'll realize just how hard it is to watch. There's no achievement there, it's just a horror show for whoever the natural female in the ring is. Just a man beating the shit out of a woman.
I wonder how many men who enjoy hurting women would pretend to trans just so they could do this - and get away with it
Yes, its so progressive and beautiful. Only a bigot wouldn't want to see a man smash the shit out of a woman with his bare hands.
Where can I find it never thought I'd see the day
Fallon fox pops to mind
And getting away with it in a world where the woman cannot complain because her opponent holds the crown of victim.
Douglas Murray is a shining light of measured reason.
Refreshing.
Except when it comes to criticizing Donald Trump.
Yeah I just still don't understand the "game is rigged" stuff. There are very good jobs out there that are increasingly going unfilled. Jobs that will absolutely get you into the six figure bracket in a decade.
I have a young immigrant kid across the street from me who is balling out working construction. His parents still can't speak English but they did well after immigrating and there kid has pandemic proof employment, a house in his early 20's, a nice truck, etc. He's doing better than some people almost twice his age nowhere near paying off school debt while justifying an $1800/month one room apartment in a declining city.
eloquence.personified.
douglas is pretty on point. i appréciate his words. but he seems to not réalise his beautiful europe actually plundered and pillage much of the world, made themselves rich of the resources of others then when those oppressed people need help or want to move because of their own economic problems he says no stay there. dont come here we dont need you anymore. not to mention he seem to think that europe invited people over to do jobs then they should have sent them back.. its like dude come on.. you use a people struggling whom you have spent hundreds of years subjugating then when they come to you for help you get mad. granted he représente a small fraction of this mentality in europe but it comes across as very bigoted. and i know he is not..
I think hes a racist but he very intelligent aswell which is a dangerous mix. I prefer his previous ideas than these ones though
Peter Robinson is the best interviewer around. There is no one better at teasing out and promoting rich discussion such as this.
Thank you Peter and please continue your work 👍
Peter is second-to-none at carefully reading his interviewees' works. He always quotes their best sentences and asks what we'd ask.
John Anderson is pretty good too
And Douglas Murray is the best guest.
his preparation is staggering, perhaps best exemplified by the way he's able to recite apt passages from douglas's work at a moment's notice
@Some Winters - Well done.
When you can't control your own emotions you must instead try to control the actions of others. ~ John Cleese
The Hoover Institution is doing an incredible job with these interviews. This guy asks the best possible questions which lead to the most interesting interviews.
Try to find some interviews where Hoover interviews Thomas Sowell
I can almost guarantee it won't disappoint; Sowell's an intellectual fucking Titan!
too bad he said absolute falsehoods regarding Macron's politics, Douglas corrected him gently, but he was completely wrong, about the chain of events, the declarations and Turkey , and the state of the catholic church in France , 66% of the population is atheist, churches are empty. it was shocking. I'm not sure I'm going to trust that guy in the future , these were basic political informations and facts.
Absolutely......
As an American living in France for several years, the only time I've been proud of Macron was right after the beheading of the school teacher by an extremist. Macron stood fast in the core beliefs of France and the EU and in the traditional values of France and the EU,. For once in these last long decades, a politian has stood up for his people instead of cowering to this madness like all the others. Macron said he would not back down on this. I pray he continues to think and act this way. He cannot let this go, even if he has no support from other politians and EU countries, he must not back down.
backyardprovence He will eventually back down. Marine is France's the only hope.
Thank God for giving us this man of courage and wisdom, Douglas Murray.
Sam is a narcissist; Douglas is an adult!
Thank Man for giving you the god you thank,
Douglas has more courage, and wisdom, than the imaginary monster of an iron age book written for gullible, illiterate, goat hearders.
Douglas Murray and Jordon Peterson co-existing in these dark times is no coincidence. The sane world truly needs them for the pushback against insanity and lies and a return to truth and reality. They are leaders of reason when the world is only coming to understand what the dystopian version of an applied fake reality really looks like after the initial shock.
@@HeardFromMeFirst Your insightfulness sounds so very shallow, be wary not to trip up.
I’ve never seen Douglas so angry as of late. He’s gone from 100% passion to 110% !!
He’s under more and more desperate attack by deranged leftist cultists
Let’s face it, he’s got good reason to be angry!
And rightly so
He's also getting shredded.
We should all be a bit more like Douglas
Indeed. That can be said of many a person, commentator, comic or intellectual. It's interesting to see their journey from, say, stand-up somewhere to vociferous and even slightly-scared champion who knows they have publically burnt their boats. One that can never go back now to the place they started from.
Wow! Douglas Murray is my new favorite conservative voice. I’m buying his book.
Douglas Murray one of the few Brilliant Minds the World has today. I love him and all that he says
Im so early Thomas Sowell is still a socialist
Step aside! I love him more! ; )
more than a few
Seen as a barely educated half wit by Academics or the Cognoscenti, bear in mind.
He's especially great at Orwellian triple-speak and gaslighting.
Fantastic. I've listened to lots of Douglas' interviews about The Madness of Crowds, and as time has passed his distaste for all the various wokisms has become more pronounced, and rightly so. It is a joy to hear someone present what is so obviously true so eloquently. Even the wokists know they're fighting against truth, that's why they become so angry, because it doesn't matter how intellectual or abstract your concepts are, the truth does not change.
That's precisely why they don't want to hear any argument against their side. Because they know their argument may fall apart.
I'd consider a counter-argument here. Ever considered 'they' don't consider themselves as fighting against any fixed 'truth' but rather they may be coming from the point of view that the 'truth' they are being fed is a creation of systems/hierarchies/people over time and are subject not only to change but should be reset and reinvestigated in a 'progressive' manner?
Its not a new thing, itsa pretty old concept going all the way back to before the Bolsheviks but here it is. It's that process is actively taught in the Universities at the undergrad level and given terms like 'post-modern' and 'progressive' and young students with very little grasps on the traditional concepts they have just been exposed to are then told to deconstruct them and subject them to dogmatic screening for acceptance into the good graces of their peers.
Even if you have deeply investigate a swamp, you’d only start to notice the amount of rot once you repeatedly and critically describe it. The constellation of smaller “gross” or “immoral” thoughts, into a larger unified system shows itself as you converse, thus bringing the full abomination closer and clearer into view
totally agree with you
Douglas: "The only point of writing is in pursuit of truth."
God, I love the honesty. I love the bluntness. I've always agreed with this- it's not about equality- it's about revenge.
Douglas is one of the best political commentators worldwide and has been for years. Glad he's finally getting the recognition.
Douglas Murray is in a league of his own.
I love Douglas Murray. I especially love the fact that he can no longer hold back. He's angry. But, importantly, he is as clear and vital as ever.
Also, big thanks to Peter Robinson for his unmatched ability as an interviewer.
Douglas Murray is a genius. And as to Mr. Robinson...simply the best interviewer of our time.
Believe me, we ARE ashamed of SF, Portland, and Seattle
The idea you'd punish the least sexist, least racist group of people in history for the benefit of those who've faced the least sexism and racism is reprehensible. It can only lead to a society shredding conflict... which appears to be what they want.
There is something to be said for the concept of the 'Progress Trap' in evolutionary biology...
Stop bragging about how not racist you are against people who hate you
thanksfernuthin: Not being snide, I just don't quite understand what you're getting at. Could you expand?
I think you are correct. You don't drive down this particular road unless you expect a battleground at the end. The question is, why do the Left seek war?
@@fortusvictus8297 progress trap? Never heard of it. I'll check it out thanks
Both a privilege and an honour to be able to sit in on your educated intelligent discussion. Thank you!!
I've been on a Douglas Murray binge all November, now December. This interview did not disappoint, but at this point I'd watch him read the dictionary 😊
Listening to Murray gives me hope for the future where logical people will take over.
"How did this happen?" Answer: By design.
Tomboys are simply girls who enjoy the company of boys and young men as well as the sports over dealing with gossiping drama addicted girls. They usually only have one or two female friends that can easily relate to them and that are not like the other girls. Tomboys don't all want to be boys, they simply enjoy their logistical mindset, their fun personalities.
I swear Douglas Murray is my spirit animal (no insult intended). He verbalizes eloquently what i think about our societal madness. Helps me to know there are others cut from the same cloth. must be something to do with being born before 1990.
Can we get Peter Robinson, Thomas Sowell, and Douglas Murray together?
The guy is a prophet and a leader. Douglas Murray brings observations and insights that are indispensable if we are going to survive this totalitarian Leftist tsunami.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." ('1984', George Orwell).
Compare this to over 500 witnesses to the resurrection of Jesus Christ. St Paul later wrote that most were still alive (they could be interviewed). The leaders went to their deaths asserting the death for our sins, burial & resurrection in glory of our Savior. The New Testament Book of Luke is history based on first hand witness and "many proofs". I encouraged all to read the Book of John & Luke.
@@lindaanderson1016 Christ is King, woman! Amen! Thank you for that.
Douglas Murray is inspiring. He's absolutely right at the end.
and he is so sexual in his intellect...makes me question my sexual attraction...bit of humour
You are absolutely right!! This is all about wasting our time, distracting us and not allowing us to focus and really improve all life. Divide and conquer.
What a huge pleasure. Mr Robnson, an interviewer par excellence who demonstrates a deft skill lacking in most others. And then Douglas Murray! He speaks for me and expresses the views and fears that I have witnessed for some twenty years.
All I can say is THANK YOU, Douglas Murray (and Peter Robinson for a great interview)! You've explained what it is that I've suspected is ailing our world today, but couldn't put into words. You will help me and many others to participate in being a growing voice of reason in a world going mad.
I already thought highly of Peter. His interviewing Murray only confirms the correctness of my opinion.
Isn't is interesting that "conveniently" just when people were getting along, certain "fragile and volatile groups" have been spurred to action and the coals of discomfort have been stoked into flames of dissention? Those who believe this is happenstance are confused and those that think it is the natural order are truly lost.
I'm one of those 48% of current (and former) Trump voters that voted for him both times in order to show I do not approve of the toxic leftist cancel culture PC crap. And I have a feeling that's the biggest motivation for most Trump supporters
Douglas- one of the only sane, articulated voices in this increasingly crazier world!
Douglas says what I want to say, but I couldn’t form the sentences, brilliant man , love listening over again.
Whenever I listen to Douglas Murray speaking about the current state of America and the West, I am reminded of the words of author Theodore Dalrymple (a.k.a Dr. Anthony Daniels):
“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
Thats a great quote.
This is why the current globalist worldwide power-grab (on the pretext of virus) is succeeding. There is no-one left in any position of responsibility in any western country who has any moral fibre.
You are describing the scene right out of "1984" when Winston is forced to say 2+2 is not equal to 4, but whatever Big Brother says it is. I experience the same in "Diversity and Inclusion" meetings.
“An existence like this leaves its mark. We all become slightly unbalanced mentally - not exactly ill, but not normal either: suspicious, mendacious, confused and inhibited in our speech, at the same time putting on a show of adolescent optimism. What value can such people have as witnesses? The elimination of witnesses was, indeed, part of the whole program.” -Nadezhda Mandelstam on life in 1930s USSR
How is he so eloquent? He finds just the right words.
Several thoughts on this interview
1. Peter Robinson's preparation for these interviews is outstanding. He actually reads the books, asks great questions and has the perfect mix between speaking/listening.
2. Douglas Murray has the magical ability to take the issues that we know are wrong but we don't have the ability to accurately articulate the problem.
3. In this Woke world of cancel culture, you have to give Murray a great deal of credit for speaking out. His harsh views on BLM, George Floyd and big tech companies takes a tremendous amount of courage.
4. The only issue I have with Douglas Murray is latest conversations are too much on LGBTQ. I want him to speak more about US race issues, biased world media and the wokeness of major corporations.
Peter Robinson and his Uncommon Knowledge interviews are a treasure
Fantastic interview. I am not afraid of my woke family calling me horrible names after having sacrificed all for them in the name of unconditional love. Even after 35 years of marriage my husband is lost in their disrespect by keeping silent. My faith in Jesus Christ comforts me. Thank you.
We urge for people with critical thinking - we are about to reach a tipping point.
I fully agree with Douglas on his last point. We have to start doing things ourselves and not waiting for a sort of hero, a leader, a messianic figure, whatever you want to call it, to come along and save us from ourselves. Another great interview of Peter as always! I love the Peter and Douglas conversations the most, very insightful and interesting.
I've come to the same conclusion, but what can we do? Response to people on Facebook? Yell at people on the street?
We have DEEP societal issues right now. We desperately need more people like Douglas willing to tear into it and treat it with the contempt it deserves.
I genuinely admire this man
I will forever thank God for giving us a courageous mind to defend our right of freedom against these totalitarian minds and their diabolical agenda
Apart from his decency, his incisive intellect shines through....we are lucky to have big Doug to negotiate this difficult terrain on our behalf and reveal the sinister agendas that oft lurks behind them....
Gentlemen, thank YOU BOTH, for these conversations!
This Tomboy has grown up to be a fantastically wonderful heterosexual Woman. Thank you for speaking Truth!
Thankyou for rejecting the stereotype molds of gender identity.
Can't get enough interviews with Douglas Murray. It's like earning a PhD every time I listen to him. Wish he had one of those contests where the prize was to have dinner with him or win a weekend with him at some chateau sitting around talking all day.
These people HAVE tried our patience quite long enough. Time for this house of cards to come down.
Brilliant interview. The host asked the right questions and the guest had superb answers.
Very good. I loved this. I was, and still am at age 52, a real tomboy. I have a very masculine outlook and way of thinking. Never felt comfortable being 'girly'. I 'grew up' to be bisexual and clearly physically female. Growing up now, I am horrified to think that some boyish girls will be convinced by peer groups that they are in fact trans. It's absolute nonsense. No one can be 100% sure of their sexuality and gender until much, much, MUCH older
God I love Douglas Murray. And I wish Christopher Hitchens were here.
Peter Robinson is no slouch either.
hitchens met god and god said there is no hitchens anymore
Douglas is magnificent
"tyranny of the mob", in this country we say no to tyranny, anyone that respects freedom, should be absolutely against mob mentality.
I love the courage of this man
"..some of the best minds of our time are talking about lavatory arrangements..." Such a sad and true quote.
It's just different angles of Anti-Traditionalism. They take positions that normal people are forced to be opposed to and then prosecute them for opposing them.
The only remedy for our current situation is serious and widespread hardship...all of this seems to me to stem from too many people having a deficit of actual difficulty.
If I were gay I'd totally fall for Douglas Murray. He's a fantastic human being.
Refreshing to see I'm not completely off my rocker, he has a gift for putting complex societal issues into a simple to grasp context.thank you.
Absolutely brilliant - this should be compulsory listening at every university- thank you for this informative interview. I just ordered 2 copies of the book. One for my 18yo grandson.
Couldn’t leave this brilliant interview for a minute...I greatly respect both these men. If their intellect was more widespread, the world would be a better place to live
Excellent, EXCELLENT interview. Thank you so much for this liberal dose of sense and truth. Very impressed with this Murray guy.
Is Douglas Murray actually getting better at speaking? It would hardly have seemed possible but every single interview I see him in he seems to be actually getting better.
Thank you for the Interview of the most reasonable public intellectual of current Europe.
We used to talk about duties of citizens... it was called civics and it has long ceased to be taught in public schools. How sad is that.
consuming this conversation at breakfast my humble bowl of oatmeal transubstantiates into fine dining.
Love that.
add a spoon of honey and a cup of coffee next to it ;))
I just finished my humble bowl of Irish oatmeal and after watching Eric Metaxas this video came up. These two are remarkable.
That is one fine quote, sir. Well stated.
Fantastic comment
(1:13:50) "Don't wait for someone else to permit you to think" ...amen!
AGREE
Dougla Murry, a dynamically reasoned voice who seems to have "picked up the gauntlet"...he's on fire!!!
I think Douglass Murray does sprinkle fabulousness and wonderousness everywhere he goes though he would probably think that’s undignified. 😁
I'm not crazy! Needed to hear Douglas Murray today. Thank you!
I just love Douglas Murray. Thank you DM for helping to keep us sane!
Reason is like light in the darkness.
"Never have lives less lived been more chronicled" - Dennis Miller
Another great, albeit rambling & jovial, interviewer!.
That's a good quote. I always liked Dennis even though I don't think he's funny.
This is what the internet was made for. So happy to see logical reasoning is still alive and healthy in our highest institutions.
It's late, I'm tired, so I wondered if I should listen to this. An hour later, I'm so glad I did. Pretty sure I will be listening again.
Good to know I'm one of the cool kids, thanks Douglas
It’s the same as a public school teacher - the amount of responsibility for us grows and no one tells the kids to take responsibility for anything.
What an incredibly intelligent, thought provoking conversation. I plan to read his book.
It's good to hear a wise man speak
I appreciate the way Douglas Murray has placed his book on the table behind him, just a subtle plug for his new book.
Whereas other writers will have their book front jacket facing the camera or multiple copies.
Respect
Outstanding! Thank you from Missouri.
I could listen to Douglas Murray for hours, thank you for this interview, well done!
Excellent interview - I think Douglas is brilliant!
Thankfully there is a venue for a smart, calm and methodical conversation about things that cannot be openly discussed but are percolating under the surface at all times.
So, so, good. I haven’t watched mainstream television in a long time. Thank you for making this available and I appreciate you NOT censoring so I can make my own choice. Thank you!
It is wonderful to listen to someone who speaks based on logic and truth.
This is an excellent discourse of our current state... Where most countries in the western world find themselves. Douglas Murray is a true intellect and his depth of knowledge gives him a legitimacy that not many have earned. It's not just his depth of knowledge, but also his wonderful ability to communicate, that puts him head and shoulders above many current intellectuals. I really enjoyed this! Well worth watching!
I find Dr. Murray's candidness refreshing. We need more such conversation. Excellent interview. Thanks to both of you.