Nice video, you definitely covered your bases. Your locks should really be on a separate 18/2. You can get away with the CAT5 for your reader, due to the short distance. If you run 22/4 or 22/6, you can land the drain wire in the controller cabinet. That'll protect your hardware. All in all, you did a better job than most technicians I have seen the aftermath of.
I learned so much from this video, Nic. You are always very clear with what you are explaining to us, and your demonstrations help us understand even better, and it makes your videos fun to watch. Maybe I will consider investing in a system like this in the near future. I currently have a standalone RFID lock on my bedroom door which is battery powered, so an upgrade would be nice soon! Thanks, Nic!
My school has the magnetic lock, because it was an older install in my district. Newer installs use either strike plates, or the panic bar pulls in on its own. In a power outage you have to press the request to exit button to open the door, then you can push the door open. The panic bars on some of the doors are locked however.
an apartment building near my house actually had a recent power outage and part of the mag locks were completely dead so I do see your point on how they can be unsecure and backup would be needed incase of power loss.
My school uses the electromagnets to keep the doors locked. But code does require that when the fire alarm activates the doors unlock, and there are motion detectors that unlock the door when someone is near by. When the power goes out the magnets lose power anyways so the doors unlock. I have noticed that we use this system in the older schools since new schools have a system just like what you have installed.
Well, your videos inspired me to spend money on this. Ive gotta say im impressed at the functionality and ease of use with the software! I like that it can have a set schedule to unlock doors, lock doors, require multiple fobs swiped to open a door, etc. Very simple to add new fobs and assign permissions. Definitely more value than I anticipated!
I used to work at a retirement home and they had electromagnets with keypads, but you also needed the keypad code to exit. Now that I look back that could be pretty dangerous having to input a code in an emergency to escape but I at least hope the fire alarm system would unlock all the doors.
There are stores where i live which have doors going to back rooms with mag locks on them, with the fire exit behind these doors (and so to access the fire exit outside of an emergency situation, you would need a code or a fob (Fortunately, most of these stores have emergency releases fitted (which when operated will cut the power to the magnetic lock, which will unlock the door, and may also set off an alarm as well))
Nic my college does have a press to exit button although using a electronic strike! The press to exit button was actually used to let some people in! In a fire emergency whic it did happen before the door strike plate stil remains locked! But since it’s a door handle type lock it’s easier to evacuate in a fire emergency the press to exit button is only for letting some students in if they ether don’t have a fob or loose their fob!
all that work for you're parents garage where you loafing around playing video games, and tweaking on door locks. You def are highly skilled! i def give you that !
6:15 I agree, power to open systems are scary. I've seen emergency exit doors that take 15 seconds to open. In an emergency those 15 seconds could be the difference between life an death.
For higher security areas you can have a double lock setup. A relay connects the to the fire system and on fire trip drops the power to a mortice lock. A electronic strike is controlled by the eacs. So free egress but still need to swipe back in.
In New Zealand, the locking technollogy is way different. The way it unlocks is by a lock inside the door handle which runs wires into the door that then locks and unlocks the door from the inside of the handle. So that locks and unlocks the outside of the door, but on the inside, you just open and close it like a normal door.
I know all too well what you are talking about. That is one of the reasons why I prefer fail secure hardware. The only place I prefer fail safe hardware is stairways due to codes requiring stairway reentry. But for back doors, I almost always prefer Von Duprin QEL33A with NL and DT trims for access control. Occasionally, I use CD35A with electronic lever trim for access control but the lever is fail secure. About the only place I use mag locks is where security is not that important or where QEL33A would be cost prohibitive to use due to the functions that are required or delayed egress emergency exits. I don't trust mag locks too often because of the fail safe mode.
Let's just think about electronic locks if you put an electronic lock with electronic strike Lock together on one door do you get the failsafe and the fail secure destroy access a fail secure lock"Does not work when power is cut but when the mag lock is and the strike lock is active as well which one they're both put together you get both failsafe and fail secure
.y schools has doors at the way to the stairwell on each side (2 stairwells). The main stairwell has all the doors open with magnets holding them open. There's no locking shut mechanism. If the power goes out or the fire alarm goes off, it releases the magnets which shuts the door, preventing fires from spreading, but the doors can be manually opened. This is imo the only good use for magnet "locks"
there are no contacts on the garage door opener the only way you could possibly do it would be to take apart one of the wireless opener buttons and solder on some wires to go to the relays on the access controller and you would have to scan the fob to open it and and again to close it
@@nics-systems-electric Oh yeah! I just wired mine, I didn't used the plug because that is terrible how someone can just go up to it and unplug it. It does have a battery, but that can go only for a certain amount of time before it dies.
10:41 electrified panic bars do this too. If power is lost, you can open the door from the inside, but nor from the outside, the benefit being that it’s more self contained. (I understand that you probably can’t afford one tho. Just food for thought)
Yes they are good for that functionality. I would not want to use one for my particular install as they are more difficult for me to get power into the door
My apartment building has emergency release buttons for the doors and push to exit buttons and we have a key fob system to get into our apartment building when we're in our apartment building in a power outage we can go through the main lobby door but we can't get back in with our key fobs unless we used the emergency door release but the main lobby door is on a battery backup
@@nics-systems-electric I actually just upgraded the lock on my garage as well because old piece of crap one f**ked itself over in while sub-zero temps
He has but turned it off cause of his outside pull stations and he said it has a security issue bc people could break into the other things and pull it to and it would open all the doors and could use that to take his stuff
I live in the UK and have a business in Pakistan. 2019 I purchased two boards, each containing four door access controls. During a visit to Pakistan, I installed the system. It was the best purchase I ever made. My manager and I hold the master card, so we don't have to worry about carrying keys or someone breaking the lock and gaining access to the building in our absence. Despite many robberies in the area, no one has ever attempted to break into our building." Now I am going back to Pakistan and would like to connect the whole system either with the cloud or I will set up a small server where I can remotely login and configure visitors' cards. I tried to install this Access Control system on Linux by using Wine but for some reason, it didn't work I think it was because of MS SQL database. I wonder if someone could share their experience installing this system on Linux or tried operating it via cloud
the card will have a number assign the card and you can programme the acces you want when you have spare time give it a go if dont work you can delete the card of the system.
Actually the mag locks require power to lock. The request to exit buttons cut the power to the lock. It is the strikes that can require power to open or closed (Fail open or fail secure on power loss). Not aware of any electromagnets that require power to open, but could be wrong though too.
Do your cards even stop working to due frequency changes when its around other things? You see I stayed at a hotel a few weeks ago and their cards kept stop working> We had to go to the front desk every day to get new ones because thats the the front desk lady said. The frequncy kept changing
@@nics-systems-electric Hello Nic Again lol. What software do you use for your access controll? You know the one that you could control your door locks from?
There's no input on the garage door opener that you could tie on to the only way you could possibly do it would be to take apart one of the wireless openers and solder on some wires to be able to go to a relay on the access controller
The system is not a specific company but it is a cheap brand that businesses can simply put there name on it. There are so many rebranded control boards it hurts. They all use the same software and all cant have or use a facility code which is a major weakness. Also there is a high possibility of Data mining using network which is common where the devices are made. They should not be on a general network but on their own. The same can be said for the control software which is it should be on its own pc, which should be on its own network with the control board. While the system does work it should not be the main and only protection/access control used. One should have setup with card and pin and not just card only. And make sure you have a monitored alarm system if you intend to use access system.
The PC that runs this is only there to run this I have no concerns about it someone wanting to break I'm sure we'll find another way no matter how good the access control system is there's always another way in
@@nics-systems-electric Hey, what you say is true, but my post was also for others who might not have and tech knowledge and might rely on YT vids only.
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Also, do you if that uhppote access control system could work with encrypted cards? I'm asking because I'm thinking of installing one of these systems in my house
@@IJMGames it does not take advantage of the encryption but it can be used with cards that support encryption as I use my 13.56 MHz readers with Salto fobs before which are encrypted when operating on a Salto system
If that computer is on the internet (which it appears to be) you should get that to windows 10/11 asap for security purposes because AVG is so 2009 (or older really) and if someone were really good they could probably take control of the system and open doors over the internet.
As long as I follows some pretty basic precautions, it will be just fine. Simple things like don't use it for email or web surfing. This PC is a dedicated system for only the access control application. for use with a dedicated application with little to no access to the Internet. This old Dell Optiplex probably can't handle a Win 10 upgrade If I also keeps the endpoint protection up to date (as long as it also supports Windows 7) that will be an added defence along with a good router/ firewall. However I may put in a new PC running windows 10 in the future
@@nics-systems-electric hey everyone has to manage their own risk. I work in IT and no one will say in a professional or enthusiast word windows 7 is ok in 2023. On a network connected to the internet…. No way. I have seen windows 7 on a intranet ( network with no internet) but that has a risk if a device connects that is infected, the windows 7 pc can be infected. What is the risk for you… probably low but I wouldn’t risk it for any client I ever work for. If you have to keep it because of software compatibility (which is rather common), you should have a dedicated net work with only the windows, seven PC and the door controller. No other devices to connect to you could use a switch, it’s Rick connection. Both of these previous ideas would require static IP, which is a bit more complicated. Or, you can get a cheap Wi-Fi network router disable to Wi-Fi and use it for just those two devices.
Nice video, you definitely covered your bases. Your locks should really be on a separate 18/2. You can get away with the CAT5 for your reader, due to the short distance. If you run 22/4 or 22/6, you can land the drain wire in the controller cabinet. That'll protect your hardware. All in all, you did a better job than most technicians I have seen the aftermath of.
I learned so much from this video, Nic. You are always very clear with what you are explaining to us, and your demonstrations help us understand even better, and it makes your videos fun to watch.
Maybe I will consider investing in a system like this in the near future. I currently have a standalone RFID lock on my bedroom door which is battery powered, so an upgrade would be nice soon!
Thanks, Nic!
Thank you really glad to hear you are enjoying my videos
Im the same with a little battery RFID lock
My school has the magnetic lock, because it was an older install in my district. Newer installs use either strike plates, or the panic bar pulls in on its own. In a power outage you have to press the request to exit button to open the door, then you can push the door open. The panic bars on some of the doors are locked however.
Hey Nic great to see you again!
an apartment building near my house actually had a recent power outage and part of the mag locks were completely dead so I do see your point on how they can be unsecure and backup would be needed incase of power loss.
My school uses the electromagnets to keep the doors locked. But code does require that when the fire alarm activates the doors unlock, and there are motion detectors that unlock the door when someone is near by. When the power goes out the magnets lose power anyways so the doors unlock. I have noticed that we use this system in the older schools since new schools have a system just like what you have installed.
Well, your videos inspired me to spend money on this. Ive gotta say im impressed at the functionality and ease of use with the software! I like that it can have a set schedule to unlock doors, lock doors, require multiple fobs swiped to open a door, etc. Very simple to add new fobs and assign permissions. Definitely more value than I anticipated!
I just learned that my TD debit card works as an access card too! Trying to figure out how to add a card to apple wallet on iPhone for use as well
I used to work at a retirement home and they had electromagnets with keypads, but you also needed the keypad code to exit. Now that I look back that could be pretty dangerous having to input a code in an emergency to escape but I at least hope the fire alarm system would unlock all the doors.
There are stores where i live which have doors going to back rooms with mag locks on them, with the fire exit behind these doors (and so to access the fire exit outside of an emergency situation, you would need a code or a fob
(Fortunately, most of these stores have emergency releases fitted (which when operated will cut the power to the magnetic lock, which will unlock the door, and may also set off an alarm as well))
Nic my college does have a press to exit button although using a electronic strike! The press to exit button was actually used to let some people in! In a fire emergency whic it did happen before the door strike plate stil remains locked! But since it’s a door handle type lock it’s easier to evacuate in a fire emergency the press to exit button is only for letting some students in if they ether don’t have a fob or loose their fob!
NIC, thank you very much for this video.
U do good job on here keep up there good work on here mate keep up there goid work on here
I actually have some to BG 12 series back boxes in today
all that work for you're parents garage where you loafing around playing video games, and tweaking on door locks. You def are highly skilled! i def give you that !
6:15 I agree, power to open systems are scary. I've seen emergency exit doors that take 15 seconds to open. In an emergency those 15 seconds could be the difference between life an death.
i’m not sure about where you live but where I live when the fire alarm goes off it disables the timer and it allows the door to open
@Maddix Lee possible. But if there is a shooter in the building and u can't get out, that is a big issue
For higher security areas you can have a double lock setup. A relay connects the to the fire system and on fire trip drops the power to a mortice lock. A electronic strike is controlled by the eacs. So free egress but still need to swipe back in.
In New Zealand, the locking technollogy is way different. The way it unlocks is by a lock inside the door handle which runs wires into the door that then locks and unlocks the door from the inside of the handle. So that locks and unlocks the outside of the door, but on the inside, you just open and close it like a normal door.
They have that here as well. It’s not as common though.
What kind of door handle are you using in the access contlor/security system room
Nice i like that system
10:12 That is also how my school district does it.
I know all too well what you are talking about. That is one of the reasons why I prefer fail secure hardware. The only place I prefer fail safe hardware is stairways due to codes requiring stairway reentry. But for back doors, I almost always prefer Von Duprin QEL33A with NL and DT trims for access control. Occasionally, I use CD35A with electronic lever trim for access control but the lever is fail secure. About the only place I use mag locks is where security is not that important or where QEL33A would be cost prohibitive to use due to the functions that are required or delayed egress emergency exits. I don't trust mag locks too often because of the fail safe mode.
you should use the one your not using on the main door for that third door?
Very cool video
Nic I do also have a ethernet switch as well
Let's just think about electronic locks if you put an electronic lock with electronic strike Lock together on one door do you get the failsafe and the fail secure destroy access a fail secure lock"Does not work when power is cut but when the mag lock is and the strike lock is active as well which one they're both put together you get both failsafe and fail secure
wish I could afford to get a basic setup so I could learn.
.y schools has doors at the way to the stairwell on each side (2 stairwells). The main stairwell has all the doors open with magnets holding them open. There's no locking shut mechanism. If the power goes out or the fire alarm goes off, it releases the magnets which shuts the door, preventing fires from spreading, but the doors can be manually opened. This is imo the only good use for magnet "locks"
It's a small school
Would it be possible to connect the garage door to it?
there are no contacts on the garage door opener the only way you could possibly do it would be to take apart one of the wireless opener buttons and solder on some wires to go to the relays on the access controller and you would have to scan the fob to open it and and again to close it
You know what? I am about to setup Access Control at my place as well!
They are kinda fun
@@nics-systems-electric Oh yeah! I just wired mine, I didn't used the plug because that is terrible how someone can just go up to it and unplug it. It does have a battery, but that can go only for a certain amount of time before it dies.
Do you have Paxton access control in Canada?
10:41 electrified panic bars do this too. If power is lost, you can open the door from the inside, but nor from the outside, the benefit being that it’s more self contained. (I understand that you probably can’t afford one tho. Just food for thought)
Yes they are good for that functionality. I would not want to use one for my particular install as they are more difficult for me to get power into the door
My apartment building has emergency release buttons for the doors and push to exit buttons and we have a key fob system to get into our apartment building when we're in our apartment building in a power outage we can go through the main lobby door but we can't get back in with our key fobs unless we used the emergency door release but the main lobby door is on a battery backup
Yeah that's sketchy
The difference between fail safe locks and fail secure locks.
Oh hey, I wanted to ask how did you carve out the electric door strike hole for the storage room door?
Oscillating saw knife and flat blade screwdriver
@@nics-systems-electric I actually just upgraded the lock on my garage as well because old piece of crap one f**ked itself over in while sub-zero temps
What would you do if you were to lock yourself out and leave your keys in and you dont realize?
Use someone else's fob
@@nics-systems-electric Or maybe log in to the access control program/website or a other device?
@@Casonplayznope it’s software
Nicole, would you do if you left the keys in the generator room!?
Maybe
use someones fob@@nics-systems-electric
Nic I have a joke! What did the mushroom say to the ant?
Big fan can u make an security system update video?
I did it just hasn't uploaded yet
Do you ever experimented to hook the controller to the fire alarm system??
He has but turned it off cause of his outside pull stations and he said it has a security issue bc people could break into the other things and pull it to and it would open all the doors and could use that to take his stuff
I live in the UK and have a business in Pakistan. 2019 I purchased two boards, each containing four door access controls. During a visit to Pakistan, I installed the system. It was the best purchase I ever made. My manager and I hold the master card, so we don't have to worry about carrying keys or someone breaking the lock and gaining access to the building in our absence. Despite many robberies in the area, no one has ever attempted to break into our building." Now I am going back to Pakistan and would like to connect the whole system either with the cloud or I will set up a small server where I can remotely login and configure visitors' cards. I tried to install this Access Control system on Linux by using Wine but for some reason, it didn't work I think it was because of MS SQL database. I wonder if someone could share their experience installing this system on Linux or tried operating it via cloud
the card will have a number assign the card and you can programme the acces you want when you have spare time give it a go if dont work you can delete the card of the system.
Actually the mag locks require power to lock. The request to exit buttons cut the power to the lock. It is the strikes that can require power to open or closed (Fail open or fail secure on power loss). Not aware of any electromagnets that require power to open, but could be wrong though too.
Drop pin style can be mounted in similar ways to maglocks and require power to open
my school has motion detectors to unlock the magnets
That's pretty scary in my opinion I would not want to rely on any electronic devices to let me out
@@nics-systems-electric i can see that. I don't ether
Do your cards even stop working to due frequency changes when its around other things? You see I stayed at a hotel a few weeks ago and their cards kept stop working> We had to go to the front desk every day to get new ones because thats the the front desk lady said. The frequncy kept changing
Never had a problem
@@nics-systems-electric Ok thanks
@@nics-systems-electric Hello Nic Again lol. What software do you use for your access controll? You know the one that you could control your door locks from?
@@lawrence_Cuzo1029 the one that comes with the access controller same brand when you buy it you get the program
@@nics-systems-electric Ok! Thanks! Do you have a link to where you got the controller? Thanks
2 readers to the strike 4:58
What system do you have?
It’s uh-ppote!
Could you use your access control to open the garage door?
There's no input on the garage door opener that you could tie on to the only way you could possibly do it would be to take apart one of the wireless openers and solder on some wires to be able to go to a relay on the access controller
@@nics-systems-electric perhaps the commercial grade openers would support this type of operation then.
@@justinhill8102 yes they have options that can be connected to access control fire alarm relays etc.
The system is not a specific company but it is a cheap brand that businesses can simply put there name on it.
There are so many rebranded control boards it hurts.
They all use the same software and all cant have or use a facility code which is a major weakness.
Also there is a high possibility of Data mining using network which is common where the devices are made.
They should not be on a general network but on their own.
The same can be said for the control software which is it should be on its own pc, which should be on its own network with the control board.
While the system does work it should not be the main and only protection/access control used.
One should have setup with card and pin and not just card only.
And make sure you have a monitored alarm system if you intend to use access system.
The PC that runs this is only there to run this I have no concerns about it someone wanting to break I'm sure we'll find another way no matter how good the access control system is there's always another way in
@@nics-systems-electric Hey, what you say is true, but my post was also for others who might not have and tech knowledge and might rely on YT vids only.
when is next fire alarm syncrhonizaion video at your high school?
Probably end of June or early July once we can get a technician in there again when there aren't students and staff
@@nics-systems-electric k thanks
I hope the access control software has not not abc/123 as the username and password as shown on the software cd.
You can change the password from the default
Glad to hear that!@@nics-systems-electric
What readers did you use?
I can't remember I got them on Amazon though
were is you new ceiling
If it wasn't in this video then it hadn't been installed yet
I did want to ask nic why didnt you decide to use salto readers?
Because it's not a Salto system and won't work
@@nics-systems-electric so a salto reader wont work with your Uhppote system
@@VOLTRONDEFENDER4440 nope
was that a notifier onyx panel that was beeping
When In the video?
@@nics-systems-electric the part you silenced that black fire alarm panel after that circuit was turned off
@@michaelloving8004 would've been a notifier SFP-10UD not a onyx series panel
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Can that access control system work if it isn't hooked up to the network/switch?
Yes it just can't be remotely operated
Also, do you if that uhppote access control system could work with encrypted cards? I'm asking because I'm thinking of installing one of these systems in my house
@@IJMGames it does not take advantage of the encryption but it can be used with cards that support encryption as I use my 13.56 MHz readers with Salto fobs before which are encrypted when operating on a Salto system
Ah, I see. Uhppote's user manuals aren't that clear about it lol
18:59 The fire alarm is going off
do you still use windows 7?
Yes
😢
Up Hote is how it is pronounced
umm nic you frogot to blur out your last name I just realized that
It's not a secret
@@nics-systems-electric then why did you cover it in another video of your access control?
@@VOLTRONDEFENDER4440 I hide the card credentials which is right beside
@@nics-systems-electric well When I seen your older videos You covered your last name before! What was up with that?
@@VOLTRONDEFENDER4440 maybe, can't remember
What!?!?!?!!?!??!
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What!?!?!!?!,!?!??!
If that computer is on the internet (which it appears to be) you should get that to windows 10/11 asap for security purposes because AVG is so 2009 (or older really) and if someone were really good they could probably take control of the system and open doors over the internet.
As long as I follows some pretty basic precautions, it will be just fine. Simple things like don't use it for email or web surfing. This PC is a dedicated system for only the access control application. for use with a dedicated application with little to no access to the Internet. This old Dell Optiplex probably can't handle a Win 10 upgrade If I also keeps the endpoint protection up to date (as long as it also supports Windows 7) that will be an added defence along with a good router/ firewall. However I may put in a new PC running windows 10 in the future
@@nics-systems-electric hey everyone has to manage their own risk. I work in IT and no one will say in a professional or enthusiast word windows 7 is ok in 2023. On a network connected to the internet…. No way. I have seen windows 7 on a intranet ( network with no internet) but that has a risk if a device connects that is infected, the windows 7 pc can be infected. What is the risk for you… probably low but I wouldn’t risk it for any client I ever work for.
If you have to keep it because of software compatibility (which is rather common), you should have a dedicated net work with only the windows, seven PC and the door controller. No other devices to connect to you could use a switch, it’s Rick connection. Both of these previous ideas would require static IP, which is a bit more complicated. Or, you can get a cheap Wi-Fi network router disable to Wi-Fi and use it for just those two devices.
Your parents must be thrilled about this
They don't need to use it much so they're not that excited