Look up Allen Millyard, that's his speciality. He does engine cut ups and extensions (for motorbikes) with reliable precision and even builds new custom vehicles with these modified engines. The greatest pleasure to watch if you're into garage mods at their finest.
I could imagine living or working near these guys.... Everytime those garage doors open, you'll never know what sort of Frankenstein Lada is gonna roll out! Love it :)
I think the reason these Lada engines run so well after what they've had done to them is because they don't have a computer on them telling them they can't.
I left 4 plug wires off my V8 and it started quicker than it ever did on 8 and its efi lol, drove it down the road and i fully understand how he felt....but i made it home from a 10 mile ride
The fact that you cut this in half, started it, and actually made a car move under its power, is impressive all in itself. Good job guys that was wicked!!
I adore you guys so much. Any other TH-cam channel, this would be a 40-part series that never gets finished. Garage 54? Break out the grinders and welder, let's see if we can get this into the car before lunch.
Yeah, Andd some what able post a daily 20 minute video as part of the series and vaguely present anything about what theire building and mostly filled with goofing around
You need to have a person drive this car to a repair shop and ask the mechanic to look at the engine because it seems to be low on power. It would be interesting to see what a mechanic would think about this engine.
You should do a collaboration with the channel "I Do Cars." He does engine teardowns and discusses why they fail. Send one of your amazing modifications to him after it dies, and have him do a blind teardown video of it. The commentary would be priceless!
Many of the parasitic losses like engine ancillaries will take essentially the same amount of power to drive, so it will definitely have less than half the power of the full engine.
A T34 no, but a testament to you guys determined spirit to get the job at hand done regardless of the odds or situation! Love it and thank you for the info on this. As good as it gets!
Already did V8, but you might onto something with V4 to see if it has same amount of power than straight 4... but that would destroy two working engines.. so maybe straight 3? Using cylinder that was left intact.
If your crankshaft was cut so your pistons are 180 degrees apart then I think you might want to use the two opposite connections on the distributor instead of the ones right next to each other. It looks like one piston is in time and the second one is off. That thing should run smooth like a lawnmower engine. Awesome job cutting it down and welding it all up. Love your videos!
There’s a reason an in-line 2 cylinder usually has both pistons traveling parallel. The vacuum produced by the engines firing gaps is erratic messing with the carburetor. The issue is you have cylinders firing at 540 and 180 degrees the 540 degrees again before another ignition. If both cylinders where parallel you could fire every 360 degrees providing better control of the standard carburetor. I’m sure you could get it to work but not with the carburetor the way it is not receiving enough back yet to get the venturis to function correctly.
Parallel twin engines can be 360 degree twins in which the pistons travel up and down together, with each one firing on alternate crank rotation. 180 degree twins in which one piston is at tdc when the other is at bdc are also very common. Today, an increasingly popular configuration is a 270 degree separation in crank rotation in which one piston is basically chasing the other. This last configuration results in a parallel twin which sounds and feels like a v-twin.
same thing with the one stroke engine, the intake stroke sucked too much air and then blocked it off violently making the engine creating major blowback when trying to gain revs
This just points up that while G54 looks like a real rough-n-ready kind of operation, they can do some pretty sophisticated stuff. Most people cut an engine in half, that engine is DONE.
Empressive build! Nice clean workmanship. I've cut a VW engine in half in the past. It's involved though I did not have water jackets to worry about. Cutting engines in half is nothing new it's done quite often with a Volkswagen Type 1 engine block. These are used in ultralight airplanes. In the 80s I had a J-3 Junior with a half VW engine. Although it was built from a 2300 giving it 78hp nearly 20 more hp than the original half VW. That lighter weight allowed me to stay Within fars part 103 category. Those engines run much smoother since they are opposed cylinders. Likely much of the vibrations felt within your lada engine is an imbalance. Then if it's vacuum advanced timing, that's going to mess things up. Leading to pre detonation which tends to heat things up. Would love to see a custom manifold that support two AMR500 superchargers on a Lada. It's what I have on my bush plane. ( Feeding 4 throttle bodies.) it's good for almost 120 fp extra torque and around 135 hp for short takeoffs or high density altitude. And the wine from the superchargers is an eye 😲opener! Lol I only give approximate horsepower and torque figures since those values vary depending upon temperature an altitude.
I'm living in Austria and a week ago I saw a new Lada model driving down the road ... I hat a PTBS like flashback on all those Garage54 vidoes b/c of that and even missed my green light LOL
You should do a lada INLINE SIX now. It would be a great experiment since lada engines shake a lot, and inline6s are really smooth, so we could see how much of a difference a different layout of the same parts makes.
@@Mladjasmilic why would it? They would have to cut it and reveld it, they can make the necessary timing so that cylinders are 120deg apart loke on inline 6
@@Mladjasmilic they already did that engine when all the cylinders fired at the same time. Besides, its not like anything in this video was easy. Thats why they do these experiments.
@DFB58 they can make a jig like they did for a 4 cyl. Nobody said it would be easy. But making any of this wouldnt be easy. Thats why they should do it, and thats why they did all sorts of experiments. Im not talking about making a production engine. It is only needed to spin freely enough. They shimmed the 4 cyl crank when they welded it so that it doesnt warp while cooling.
Always entertaining!! And every now and then this channel does things that nobody has even thought about trying, let alone pulls it off. It's definitely one of a kind, and that's why these guys rule!
I wonder what the effective ignition/valve timing on that engine was. The half-crank would be OK unmodified for an 180° 2-cylinder engine, but I'm not sure about the camshaft and distributor.
Did anyone think to tune the carburetor and re-jet it? It's set for twice the displacement otherwise, running filthy rich... EDIT: If it's a points ignition you might also be saturating the condenser because there's no spark energy leaving where 3 and 4 are missing. The heat's probably from a lack of crossover passages in the back of the head and block, it's getting a hot spot and making a bubble that blocks flow.
The carb jetting is most likely fine. They are meant to mix the proper amount of fuel based on how much air is flowing. More air more fuel. The inverse is also true. The condenser job is to prevent points from arcing when they begin to open. Ignition system will work fine if timed properly. I completely agree with you on the cooling. There's no doubt some areas where water flow is now blocked.
Great job! This gave me an idea. How about converting an engine into a self-contained water pump by running the engine on 3 cylinders and using the 4th cylinder as the pump with a separate inlet and exhaust for water in and water out via hoses. The camshaft would need to be modified so there is no compression stroke on cylinder 4, only the inlet and exhaust valves opening alternately. It would be a great unit for draining ponds or flooded basements, or fighting fires with an onboard water tank.
The video I had been waiting for. You guys redeemed yourself. Kudos. This engine would be nice in a motorcycle, it has a throaty sound. Next time don't cut the engine, remove pistons 1and 3 along with the conrods. Close the intake to no 1 and 3 cylinders, start and see the difference.
Loves these videos! Here´s a thaught: if you make a custom crank so that ignitions are 1, 2, 1, 2, etc, instead of 1,2, nothing, nothing, it would run sort of like a harley. Better, but not much better, i know..
i honestly do not understand how this channel gets DISLIKES... due to the fact that this guy makes things DEFY what people go to college for and makes it happen...
@@indianguyonyoutube.5416 it will not be balanced but 2 cylinders 180° apart is not balanced at all either. Using 2 cylinders coming at TDC at the same time would smooth out the output a little. It will jump a little at idle but it's perfectly normal for a 2 cylinders engine with quite a bit of compression.
was thinking this at first, but having to match the 2 halves up perfectly straight for the crank and cam to fit would be a nightmare, and how are you going to fasten them together? It can't all be welded, there's no bolt passages, and it'll need gasketing. Once it's running it'll be twisting itself to pieces every time cylinder 1 fires due to the lack of torsional stiffness.
Im a retired panel beater i cut cars in half and make them drive again but cuting an engine..that was so much fun to watch..thanks for the english translation..love your show😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
This was awesome! You should try to cut another and then arrange them laterally and make a hack job boxer motor, that seems it would fit your style perfectly! Looking forward to more crazy video!
its pretty close to a russian Trabant now, 2 cylinders, except its now a 4 stroke instead of 2.. Actually impressed that the engine started. Again, Lada engines are impressing me with how stubborn to kill they are.
@@piuthemagicman the engine is actually AvtoVAZ design! Not derived from the Fiat 124 They found the pushrod fiat engine unreliable and not future proof, and designed their own SOHC i4, ...which only made 4 more HP haha
Guess the other option would be to remove the pistons and connecting arms from 2 cylinders and cap off the valve openings or turn the lobes off the cam to keep the valves closed on the unused cylinders. That would solve the overheating problem due to the coolant passages being blocked off. Days less work with the same power result.
Yes, running cylinder 1 and 3, remove rod and pistons from 2,4 would leave the engine in balance, remove the rockers from 2,4 would give the same effect ... but.. they did this for entertainment of... cutting the engine in half.. considering all the work, amazing that it 1) ran, and 2) didn't leak all over the place.
That's some pretty amazing work. The original GMC V6 (60s) was created by simply chopping off two cylinders. I wonder how the car would work if you used those two cylinders to power a generator which in turned powered electric motors?
I haven’t seen a video of anybody actually removing a piston/rod assembly and running a motor. Plenty of videos of people pulling spark plug wires to stop one from firing. Keep up the good work!!
My suggestion - mount a gearbox backwards behind the existing one, then fourth will be the same, and each subsequent gear will give more and more overdrive ratios - what a cruiser that will be!
I know this is an older video, but these videos are interesting to see. Cylinders 3 and 4 were cut off, but the crank was cut in half as well. The firing order is 1,3,4,2, but the crank was cut with journals 1 and 2 at 180 degrees out. The firing order changed to 1 and 2, but the degrees of crank rotation is at 540 degrees for a complete ignition cycle. So an easier way to explain this is that the crank has to turn 540 degrees from ignition on cylinder 1 to fire cylinder 2. Then the crank turns just 180 degrees from cylinder 2 to fire again on cylinder one. This in turn created an uneven power balance in the engine. If the cam was cut in two places and then rewelded so both cylinders were 360 degrees apart, then the ignition wire could be moved to the number 4 position and most likely would run much better.
Unbelievable! You and your guys are awesome. I can't believe y'all made that work. And it worked great. Not much HP but what you expect. Amazing! 👍👍 I predict you'll be at 1 million subs soon and then you'll grow like wildfire. Good for you. You're good people and you deserve it.
Can you make a V8 out of 2 inline 4s? My uncle made a joke about my GAZ52 saying that you can add 2 inline 6s together to make V12 so it gave me a idea.
The plugwires should be across from each other on the dist cap and you need to make a custom cam to open and close the valves in that sequence then it should run perfectly next you should convert it to two stroke lol
Really nice job. Can you make one big engine out of three? The opposite of your 2 cylinder. A 12-cylinder in-line engine. I think to get the best performance out of it, the crankshaft and camshaft need to be welded 120 degrees apart.
@@SoI_Badguy Long as you balance the crank properly & run a good harmonic on top of that, it really shouldn't be an issue. At least for a straight eight. Dunno how hard I'd push an L12...
I would cut out cylinders 2 & 3 and kept 1 & 4. That way you have a good sealing surface on both ends and the engine would still stay kinda balanced as both Pistons move up and down together
Exactly. And the firing of the cylinders would be way more even. Here they have 2 cylinders firing and then nothing for a revolution. Using 2 cylinders reaching TDC at the same time it would be the equivalent of a 2 strokes 1 cylinder engine. The carburator is also a problem. I suspect it's running a bit rich. Also the timing is not right. And the automatic advance may screw up everything because this engine doesn't have a smooth enough output. I think it got something like 12 HP, it should be something like 24 to 28.
@@CarsandCats I would love to take two V8 engines, one of the engines cut in half directly in the middle and the other two engines remove the front two cylinders and the back to cylinder. Put that middle cylinders in the original V8 that was split in half and end up with a V12. And drop that V12 in the bus project they are working on that we haven't seen in months.
When looking at the camshaft, when a Piston is at top dead center, just make sure that your camshaft lobes, for whatever cylinder is at TDC at the time, are positioned at 10 o'clock, and 2 o'clock. Turn the motor so the other piston is at TDC, and make sure those two camshaft lobes are positioned at 10 and 2. And that thing will start up &l run all day.
I think part of the problem is you lost two cylinders that were consecutive in the firing order. 1-3-4-2. You should have hacked #2 and #4 out of the cam and used 1 and 3 to have a more even firing.
@@wilsjane It's just like a 2 cylinder bike engine. Like Glory said, get the distributor right and it will run correctly. It will still feel like a sewing machine, all straight 2 cylinder bikes feel that way.
@Glory Hold Sounds like someone needs to read an article or two on the subject of the 4-stroke engine cycle. What you are proposing is essentially a "wasted spark" ignition system used by millions of engines worldwide. As the name suggests, firing the engine on the exhaust stroke (which is exactly what you are proposing) does not provide smoother running or more power. Without modifications to the camshaft making it more suited to two cylinder operation, this engine isn't going to run any better.
@@fivepointeightnate My point was that a 4 stoke engine needs to have it's cylinders in line with each other in order to fire evenly, with one cylinder on induction, while the other is on ignition. If the cylinders oppose, the second cylinder will fire after 90 degrees and then their will be a 270 degrees interval. The cylinders are only opposing on a 2 stroke engine, which then fires every 180 degrees. As a design engineer, this is obvious to me, but it takes a while for most people to work it out. It often takes me ages to fully explain it to people before the penny drops.
Now you need to make a six cylinder from a four cylinder and two more cylinders from another engine. One I have heard of is a guy driving a Citreon 2CV it broke so he converted it into a motorcycle with just the manufacturer's supplied tool kit, have you got a vehicle you could do the same. I would like to see you take a V8 and make it a V10 or V12. Maybe you should have settled for three cylinders.
Reminds me of a guy who took a perfectly running Mercedes diesel and converted it to 2 stroke with a Ford supercharger.Well it did produce a lot of smoke ,expensive, less power.
All you have to do is use cylinders 1 and 4. First front one. last back one. And then all you do, you configure one piston up, and the other piston all the way down. Just make them 180 degrees from each other. Then you're done, and you retain the rear half of the block and the front half of the block.
daum, this Chanel man, i love you content, i loved myth busters as a kid, i love top gear, and im currently having an obsession over mechanics, even though i crashed my first car after having for a week -__- but this Chanel is great, I'm watching the whole thing with a grin on my face! keep it up! heh/ i love your humor too, 13:40 reminds me of a woodworking teacher i once had!
Incredible, Masters of Mechanics, crazy crazy genial Russians, incredible job, what a skill and dexterity in working and adjusting ! You have motors in your veins and in your head. There'no limit for your capability! I'm going to subscribe NOW! Thank you!
I know it is hard to get engines in a V configuration. I would like to see you guy take a V8 and turn it into a V6 and another into a V4. It is challenging, but I have faith you guys can do it
This is Sunie Waterhouse again from Franklin Idaho in the United States I wanted to be more clear about what I want you guys to try. I want you to create a vacuum suction on the exhaust from a pro charger or a turbo charger or even electric something it’ll pull harder than the exhaust is pushing out to where it sucks. The heat out of the engine and help suck the pistons up and pulls the air mixture through
🔴🟡🟢Here is a good challenge! 1 cylinder, Two pistons opposed🤩 Make one with diesel and 360 cc capacity, use two of the pistons from the most normal motor you can find with 1,8 liter capacity - combine this. Air or water cooled doesn't matter, but I will go for air. I'm planning to do this myself, mount it inside a motorcycle frame and see how much distance I can get out of just one tank with fuel. They say it's 60 percent more fuel efficent with double push for every💥on the compression stroke👌 This is good numbers, you know what I'm going to do😄🤞
Now turbocharge that 2 cylinder. Plenty of space in the engine bay now haha.
or just noxit
Literally a replacement for displacement
Everyone do the Ford! small engine, big turbo, low reliability
Lol it’s spewing oil… turbo would just force it through faster…. But would love to see it haha.
And target the original HP of the 4cly engine
This is the kind of task no one other than Garage54 would tackle. Nice job guys!
Look up Allen Millyard, that's his speciality. He does engine cut ups and extensions (for motorbikes) with reliable precision and even builds new custom vehicles with these modified engines. The greatest pleasure to watch if you're into garage mods at their finest.
In estonia we have 2 cilynder diesel motorcycle somewhere. Engine is made of 4cylinder ford diesel, If i recall correctly it was from sierra...
@@FLO007RC And he wields a manual hacksaw like a surgical instrument.
Millyard is a expert of this kind of things
FYI, anything garage54 does, has already been done before.
Finally, a channel that simply asks "what will happen" rather than "why should we do this?"
Absolutely blessed channel, great work, fellas.
How about adding 2 cylinders and building a straight 6?
I second this
Shit or bust: cut the inner ends off two fours and make a straight eight. Nothing is gonna test their crank welding skills like a S8!
or try to make a straight 8
They seem to really have welding the crank down to a science, so why not!
Or they add 3 and make a 7 cylinder.
I could imagine living or working near these guys.... Everytime those garage doors open, you'll never know what sort of Frankenstein Lada is gonna roll out!
Love it :)
Lol then they create the frankenlada
I need to replace a fuel injector on my Jeep and can’t because i don’t know how. here is this guy cutting and engine in half for a hobby.
Average jeep driver moment
@@badsneeze musta been a bad sneeze that made your finger jerk from j to k lol
I think the reason these Lada engines run so well after what they've had done to them is because they don't have a computer on them telling them they can't.
lmao
Never seen a lada engine that ran well :D It runs somehow, even if you chop two of the cylinders.
I left 4 plug wires off my V8 and it started quicker than it ever did on 8 and its efi lol, drove it down the road and i fully understand how he felt....but i made it home from a 10 mile ride
Physically working.
"don't let anyone tell you you can't do something" - momma motor
Now that you've cut one in half, you need to try welding two together for an 8 cylinder. :D
they ran 3 at once before lol
make a lada straight 8 with 2 engines
Straight 8 lada would be cool
@@a4000t But you know they did it already? Straight 16. And v12 with three engines too
@@ziejekz2290 not the same......
I'm gonna leave a like just for the young boy running behind with the camera. Such effort must be rewarded.
Next time, please, try welding 2 Lada engines in a "V" shape and make a Lada V8 engine with 4 carbies :)
YESSS
YEAH LADA V8!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes please. But making of cranshaft will be dificult. Or you can do with two cranshafts connectet by gears and chain
@@michal9365 just grind the conectring rod or use an airpane design
Lets go
The fact that you cut this in half, started it, and actually made a car move under its power, is impressive all in itself. Good job guys that was wicked!!
NO DOUBT!! Definately a great challenge they overcame.
call it the *california divorce special.*
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Actually WICKED!
Yes, these are some seriously knowledgeable dudes!!
This has honestly been my favorite TH-cam channel for months now. You guys are awesome. Keep up the good work
I adore you guys so much. Any other TH-cam channel, this would be a 40-part series that never gets finished.
Garage 54? Break out the grinders and welder, let's see if we can get this into the car before lunch.
Yeah, Andd some what able post a daily 20 minute video as part of the series and vaguely present anything about what theire building and mostly filled with goofing around
"We keep getting a lot of nutty requests in from the viewers."
"I have a Lada fun reading through them."
I'm so easily entertained 🤣🤣
MPGs lol
I noticed it too XD
I died at “nutty requests”
I eating enchi-lada's
I am impressed with how far you have come and your shop fab skills!
You need to have a person drive this car to a repair shop and ask the mechanic to look at the engine because it seems to be low on power. It would be interesting to see what a mechanic would think about this engine.
Thank you for the translation! Only Russians would do something as wacky as this, and I love them for it.
Russians also digged the deepest hole in the ground....just to see what would happen. And I love them for it
Yep.
@@Nordic_Mechanic Ага, мы такие😂
So fun! You’ll need half a Lada to match the “new” half motor
You should do a collaboration with the channel "I Do Cars." He does engine teardowns and discusses why they fail. Send one of your amazing modifications to him after it dies, and have him do a blind teardown video of it. The commentary would be priceless!
That would be sweet but a lot of money in shipping cost and duty fees.
They should hit up Millyard he builds crazy motors outta motors all the time
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Hell yes I’d pay for cable/satellite again after 16 years of cable cutting (🏴☠️winkety wink) just to see this!
Now headgaskets last twice as long. When it blows you just turn it 180.
LMAO
Well, the chain drive hole is gonna have to be dealt with.
even after all that cutting and welding
this engine is still more reliable than any Harley engine
Fiat engine my boy!:
"You're a Lada, a Lada never failed us"
Since you cutted it half. Would it be only be a LA missing the Da
Actually they cut off the La part and left the Da.
@@T_Burd_75 This would make sense.
@@LOREN-jr9vv No you couldn't pay me enough for me to check you out.
La-nyet
good one :)
This was once again brilliant! It looked like the power output was only somewhere around 10-15 hp.
My car did something like this once without cutting the half of an engine. It just lacked fire in two cylinders. The output power was similar to this.
Or 5
Many of the parasitic losses like engine ancillaries will take essentially the same amount of power to drive, so it will definitely have less than half the power of the full engine.
A T34 no, but a testament to you guys determined spirit to get the job at hand done regardless of the odds or situation! Love it and thank you for the info on this. As good as it gets!
When I was a kid I was taught, "With a grinder and welder, all things are possible."
This is proof, well done!
I love seeing weird engine mods, would be hilarious to see them make a V4 or V6 xP
Absolutely. As funny as these guys are, theyre very well informed & experienced in mechanics & common sense!
Already did V8, but you might onto something with V4 to see if it has same amount of power than straight 4... but that would destroy two working engines.. so maybe straight 3? Using cylinder that was left intact.
If your crankshaft was cut so your pistons are 180 degrees apart then I think you might want to use the two opposite connections on the distributor instead of the ones right next to each other. It looks like one piston is in time and the second one is off. That thing should run smooth like a lawnmower engine. Awesome job cutting it down and welding it all up. Love your videos!
thats what i was thinking
Remember there 2/ time intervals doing nothing, so the new firing order is; 1,2,0,0 repeat so; that's why the dizzy cap is ;
1,2, nothing, nothing!
*cuts engine in half* “it seems like there’s something off” 🤣
There’s a reason an in-line 2 cylinder usually has both pistons traveling parallel. The vacuum produced by the engines firing gaps is erratic messing with the carburetor.
The issue is you have cylinders firing at 540 and 180 degrees the 540 degrees again before another ignition. If both cylinders where parallel you could fire every 360 degrees providing better control of the standard carburetor.
I’m sure you could get it to work but not with the carburetor the way it is not receiving enough back yet to get the venturis to function correctly.
Parallel twin engines can be 360 degree twins in which the pistons travel up and down together, with each one firing on alternate crank rotation. 180 degree twins in which one piston is at tdc when the other is at bdc are also very common. Today, an increasingly popular configuration is a 270 degree separation in crank rotation in which one piston is basically chasing the other. This last configuration results in a parallel twin which sounds and feels like a v-twin.
So the same carb is able to provide for 4 cylinders and not for two?
same thing with the one stroke engine, the intake stroke sucked too much air and then blocked it off violently making the engine creating major blowback when trying to gain revs
Norton made a motor that fired two together. Like a pair of one lungs together. Lotta torque
Block off one side of the carb
My hats off to this guy for all his ingenuity. I would ground out the unused open distributor lines as the way it is it could possibly crossfire.
All of my childhood questions become reality on this channel😆😁
This just points up that while G54 looks like a real rough-n-ready kind of operation, they can do some pretty sophisticated stuff. Most people cut an engine in half, that engine is DONE.
Empressive build! Nice clean workmanship.
I've cut a VW engine in half in the past. It's involved though I did not have water jackets to worry about.
Cutting engines in half is nothing new it's done quite often with a Volkswagen Type 1 engine block. These are used in ultralight airplanes. In the 80s I had a J-3 Junior with a half VW engine. Although it was built from a 2300 giving it 78hp nearly 20 more hp than the original half VW. That lighter weight allowed me to stay Within fars part 103 category.
Those engines run much smoother since they are opposed cylinders. Likely much of the vibrations felt within your lada engine is an imbalance. Then if it's vacuum advanced timing, that's going to mess things up. Leading to pre detonation which tends to heat things up.
Would love to see a custom manifold that support two AMR500 superchargers on a Lada. It's what I have on my bush plane. ( Feeding 4 throttle bodies.) it's good for almost 120 fp extra torque and around 135 hp for short takeoffs or high density altitude. And the wine from the superchargers is an eye 😲opener! Lol
I only give approximate horsepower and torque figures since those values vary depending upon temperature an altitude.
I'm living in Austria and a week ago I saw a new Lada model driving down the road ... I hat a PTBS like flashback on all those Garage54 vidoes b/c of that and even missed my green light LOL
You should do a lada INLINE SIX now. It would be a great experiment since lada engines shake a lot, and inline6s are really smooth, so we could see how much of a difference a different layout of the same parts makes.
Inline 6 with inline 6 crank. With bodged 4 cylinder crank it will shale like crazy.
@@Mladjasmilic why would it? They would have to cut it and reveld it, they can make the necessary timing so that cylinders are 120deg apart loke on inline 6
@@dominikfojs1423 Well, welding the crank, cams and having all angles ser correctly is extremely hard.
@@Mladjasmilic they already did that engine when all the cylinders fired at the same time. Besides, its not like anything in this video was easy. Thats why they do these experiments.
@DFB58 they can make a jig like they did for a 4 cyl. Nobody said it would be easy. But making any of this wouldnt be easy. Thats why they should do it, and thats why they did all sorts of experiments. Im not talking about making a production engine. It is only needed to spin freely enough. They shimmed the 4 cyl crank when they welded it so that it doesnt warp while cooling.
Thanks a ton Garage 54...with all that being watched now i am also planning to convert my inline flat plane crank to cross plane.....
Always entertaining!! And every now and then this channel does things that nobody has even thought about trying, let alone pulls it off. It's definitely one of a kind, and that's why these guys rule!
This has been done with a v8 cut in half and turned into a v4 in middle america in the 70s
@@manueltovar4821 good ol' times . unfortunatelly most are undocumented.
1 cylinder version with extra heavy flywheel would be nice to see allso.
And turbo... 😁
it probably wouldnt spin it. theres a beamng video about it. but its way extreme. but 1 cylinder would be extreme as well.
This is the type of cameraman we need in every video, sprinting down the street with almost little to no camera movement!!! Good job bro💪🏾💪🏾💯
I used to imagine stuff like this, and to finally see it being done is incredible !
Goverment: we need to downsize more engines!
Garage 54: Hold my beer.
Vodka*
no no
He takes a Shot of Vodka and say's "dawai nahui lets go"
@@DownieDaniel давай не хуй летс гоу.🤣
I wonder what the effective ignition/valve timing on that engine was. The half-crank would be OK unmodified for an 180° 2-cylinder engine, but I'm not sure about the camshaft and distributor.
It’s missing a full stroke. The distributor is still a 4 cylinder so it’s running in half time
@@danokerr9929 I don't think that's the problem more of a timing issue
It sounds like an old John Deere when you lug it down. I LOVE THIS EPISODE!
Weld two engines together and make an inline 8 cylinder.
They already did this. And then did 3 and I think 4 engines too
they already welded 4 engines together hahaha
they did something like that already
@@vytbbb7146 I guess that rendition was somewhat simpler though
welcome to the party. youre a little late
I'm about a quarter of the way through as I just started watching this video.. I'm excited. Super, super excited.
Did anyone think to tune the carburetor and re-jet it? It's set for twice the displacement otherwise, running filthy rich...
EDIT: If it's a points ignition you might also be saturating the condenser because there's no spark energy leaving where 3 and 4 are missing.
The heat's probably from a lack of crossover passages in the back of the head and block, it's getting a hot spot and making a bubble that blocks flow.
The carb jetting is most likely fine. They are meant to mix the proper amount of fuel based on how much air is flowing. More air more fuel. The inverse is also true. The condenser job is to prevent points from arcing when they begin to open. Ignition system will work fine if timed properly. I completely agree with you on the cooling. There's no doubt some areas where water flow is now blocked.
Great job! This gave me an idea. How about converting an engine into a self-contained water pump by running the engine on 3 cylinders and using the 4th cylinder as the pump with a separate inlet and exhaust for water in and water out via hoses. The camshaft would need to be modified so there is no compression stroke on cylinder 4, only the inlet and exhaust valves opening alternately. It would be a great unit for draining ponds or flooded basements, or fighting fires with an onboard water tank.
I've heard of people using old engines as air pumps with 2 cylinders making air pressure and 2 running
This isnt even an uncommon mod for air compressors
I like the way you think. That's awesome to see.
In order to get a decent volume of water you would need very big valves and it would be so Rev limited that it wouldn't idle.
That would bend the rods it's smarter to use a turbo as water pump (or a centrifugal supercharger? All work on same principle)
Now do a straight 7, that would be an awesome show. Make it a series over 3-4 episodes. Just to hear how that would sound would be magical.
The video I had been waiting for. You guys redeemed yourself. Kudos.
This engine would be nice in a motorcycle, it has a throaty sound.
Next time don't cut the engine, remove pistons 1and 3 along with the conrods. Close the intake to no 1 and 3 cylinders, start and see the difference.
Loves these videos! Here´s a thaught: if you make a custom crank so that ignitions are 1, 2, 1, 2, etc, instead of 1,2, nothing, nothing, it would run sort of like a harley. Better, but not much better, i know..
Yes this is 360 degree modified the camshaft into 180 degree it well ran smoothly
i honestly do not understand how this channel gets DISLIKES... due to the fact that this guy makes things DEFY what people go to college for and makes it happen...
Would it be easier to cut out cylinders 2 & 3, then join 1&4 together with the ancillaries on each side preserved?
That's what I came here to say!
@@indianguyonyoutube.5416 cylinders don't have to be, pistons can be by using the correct lobes from the crankshaft...
@@indianguyonyoutube.5416 it will not be balanced but 2 cylinders 180° apart is not balanced at all either.
Using 2 cylinders coming at TDC at the same time would smooth out the output a little.
It will jump a little at idle but it's perfectly normal for a 2 cylinders engine with quite a bit of compression.
I was thinking the same thing
was thinking this at first, but having to match the 2 halves up perfectly straight for the crank and cam to fit would be a nightmare, and how are you going to fasten them together? It can't all be welded, there's no bolt passages, and it'll need gasketing. Once it's running it'll be twisting itself to pieces every time cylinder 1 fires due to the lack of torsional stiffness.
try making a cross plane crank for it, make it sound like a mini v8.
that would be cool
Ylu can’t just weld the crank and throw that in it needs a balanced shaft and a whole lot of other things.
@@TankToChest didn't you see one of the recent videos where they cut up the crankshaft re-welded it make it a 1 plane crank?
Im a retired panel beater i cut cars in half and make them drive again but cuting an engine..that was so much fun to watch..thanks for the english translation..love your show😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
This was awesome! You should try to cut another and then arrange them laterally and make a hack job boxer motor, that seems it would fit your style perfectly! Looking forward to more crazy video!
its pretty close to a russian Trabant now, 2 cylinders, except its now a 4 stroke instead of 2..
Actually impressed that the engine started. Again, Lada engines are impressing me with how stubborn to kill they are.
remember to thank Fiat, the engine is indeed their design toi :)
@@piuthemagicman the engine is actually AvtoVAZ design! Not derived from the Fiat 124
They found the pushrod fiat engine unreliable and not future proof, and designed their own SOHC i4, ...which only made 4 more HP haha
@@televisionandcheese What was the changes they did? As far as I know many fiat and seat parts are interchangeable
Guess the other option would be to remove the pistons and connecting arms from 2 cylinders and cap off the valve openings or turn the lobes off the cam to keep the valves closed on the unused cylinders. That would solve the overheating problem due to the coolant passages being blocked off. Days less work with the same power result.
Yes, me too.
Just adjust the lifters to never open the valves: simple.
Yes, running cylinder 1 and 3, remove rod and pistons from 2,4 would leave the engine in balance, remove the rockers from 2,4 would give the same effect ... but.. they did this for entertainment of... cutting the engine in half.. considering all the work, amazing that it 1) ran, and 2) didn't leak all over the place.
I really want to see an engine run on 1; pure petroleum, 2; gear oil (manual trans oil) , and 3; auto trans fluid
I think a diesel could run on gear oil
@@ranpatoamami7048 or a simple 2 stroke, since they will run on diesel. Atleast 'valveless' 2 strokes
That’s the most crazy and impressive experiment they have done! And it works! Amazing!👌😎👍I’m impressed!
Can you imagine if they had a state of the art machine shop forge and foundry ?
@@dennisford2000 that would be amazing!
That's some pretty amazing work.
The original GMC V6 (60s) was created by simply chopping off two cylinders.
I wonder how the car would work if you used those two cylinders to power a generator which in turned powered electric motors?
I just love this show, always interesting and unseen stuff, and they give anything a go.
You guys are the best mechanics for sure 💯
When Vlad mentioned all the problems with sealing, I thought why not take cylinders 2 and 3 out?
genius move
Yup. I had the same thought. The amount of fabrication necessary would be reduced enormously.
That was one of the most incredible job you did, guys! Amazing
I haven’t seen a video of anybody actually removing a piston/rod assembly and running a motor. Plenty of videos of people pulling spark plug wires to stop one from firing. Keep up the good work!!
My suggestion - mount a gearbox backwards behind the existing one, then fourth will be the same, and each subsequent gear will give more and more overdrive ratios - what a cruiser that will be!
Wait what
They already didn't that , they made that station lada do wheelies 😁
I'd love to see a conversion from 4-line lada to v8 one. That would be crazy :)
there is a video on the channel about such a motor look go to the channel and see
I know this is an older video, but these videos are interesting to see. Cylinders 3 and 4 were cut off, but the crank was cut in half as well. The firing order is 1,3,4,2, but the crank was cut with journals 1 and 2 at 180 degrees out. The firing order changed to 1 and 2, but the degrees of crank rotation is at 540 degrees for a complete ignition cycle. So an easier way to explain this is that the crank has to turn 540 degrees from ignition on cylinder 1 to fire cylinder 2. Then the crank turns just 180 degrees from cylinder 2 to fire again on cylinder one. This in turn created an uneven power balance in the engine. If the cam was cut in two places and then rewelded so both cylinders were 360 degrees apart, then the ignition wire could be moved to the number 4 position and most likely would run much better.
Thank you so much for hear my sugestion on cut in a half a motor and just use two cilinders. I loved the video! greetings from Argentina.
You not taking credit for this mate
Try to make a V4 engine by cutting a V8 in half that would be EPIC!
Old saabs have that, i believe its a ford v8 cut in half
@@onnikilkki7423 yeah I think it is the saab sonett witch has the V4 engine
The four cylinder speed record at Bonneville was held by a 350 Chevrolet V8 with half the cylinders deactivated.
@@onnikilkki7423 It was designed from the beginning to be a V4. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taunus_V4_engine
I heard that 4 cylinder Ford tractors were half of a V-8.
Unbelievable! You and your guys are awesome. I can't believe y'all made that work. And it worked great. Not much HP but what you expect. Amazing! 👍👍 I predict you'll be at 1 million subs soon and then you'll grow like wildfire. Good for you. You're good people and you deserve it.
two engines mounted on a frame, flywheels facing each other, clutch in between. Rev them both, drop the clutch, which engine wins?
This is gonna rip em both apart, great idea though
That’s a sick idea would love to see that
Can you make a V8 out of 2 inline 4s?
My uncle made a joke about my GAZ52 saying that you can add 2 inline 6s together to make V12 so it gave me a idea.
@@john.glasscock Toyota put 2 1JZs together to make the V12 1GZ.
You'd need a custom block
that could be possible only problem is crank and camshafts
Look fro Allan/Simon? millyard, he does v8 and v12 bikes putting another bank of cylinders on, v12 kawasaki has a 12ft camchain iirc
Nice. Just what the world needs, a short block Lada!😂😂😂😂
The plugwires should be across from each other on the dist cap and you need to make a custom cam to open and close the valves in that sequence then it should run perfectly next you should convert it to two stroke lol
exactly! Rotate the cam 180° for cylinder 2 then plug the spark plug lead into position 3 and down jet on the carberator
Plug wires need next and not opposite so to have one piston up one down for balance.
Really nice job.
Can you make one big engine out of three? The opposite of your 2 cylinder. A 12-cylinder in-line engine. I think to get the best performance out of it, the crankshaft and camshaft need to be welded 120 degrees apart.
Darn, that would be marvelous.
The camshaft and crank wouldn't survive that. Or it would have to just turn reaaally slowly.
They have connected 3 lada engines together in a V configuration. Put it in a car and drove it.
There has been at least one manufacturer that has made an inline 12 for cars. Most are for military purposes
@@SoI_Badguy Long as you balance the crank properly & run a good harmonic on top of that, it really shouldn't be an issue. At least for a straight eight. Dunno how hard I'd push an L12...
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I would cut out cylinders 2 & 3 and kept 1 & 4. That way you have a good sealing surface on both ends and the engine would still stay kinda balanced as both Pistons move up and down together
Exactly what I was going to post.
It need piston cancel each out for balance
Exactly.
And the firing of the cylinders would be way more even.
Here they have 2 cylinders firing and then nothing for a revolution.
Using 2 cylinders reaching TDC at the same time it would be the equivalent of a 2 strokes 1 cylinder engine.
The carburator is also a problem.
I suspect it's running a bit rich.
Also the timing is not right. And the automatic advance may screw up everything because this engine doesn't have a smooth enough output.
I think it got something like 12 HP, it should be something like 24 to 28.
@@Fabien2626 it was certainly fun to watch!
@@CarsandCats I would love to take two V8 engines, one of the engines cut in half directly in the middle and the other two engines remove the front two cylinders and the back to cylinder. Put that middle cylinders in the original V8 that was split in half and end up with a V12. And drop that V12 in the bus project they are working on that we haven't seen in months.
I love how people are just walking by like: "ah, its just that crazy guy again"
It s russia. People see crazy things all day long.
When looking at the camshaft, when a Piston is at top dead center, just make sure that your camshaft lobes, for whatever cylinder is at TDC at the time, are positioned at 10 o'clock, and 2 o'clock. Turn the motor so the other piston is at TDC, and make sure those two camshaft lobes are positioned at 10 and 2. And that thing will start up &l run all day.
I think part of the problem is you lost two cylinders that were consecutive in the firing order. 1-3-4-2. You should have hacked #2 and #4 out of the cam and used 1 and 3 to have a more even firing.
It wouldn’t work Cylinder is fired ever 90 degrees that means it still will have 180 degrees gape between last and first Cylinder
@@denisvasilev1539 of couse I meant keep 1 and 4. Not 1 and 3. I dont know how I had a brain fart.
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It’s skipping two fires you need to blend the spark wires so it fires one cylinder on 1 and 3 and the other on two and 4 that would help a lot
It cannot possibly run smoothly with the cylinders 180 degrees apart. Whatever you do, the two ignition strokes will always be 90 degrees apart.
@@wilsjane It's just like a 2 cylinder bike engine. Like Glory said, get the distributor right and it will run correctly. It will still feel like a sewing machine, all straight 2 cylinder bikes feel that way.
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Sounds like someone needs to read an article or two on the subject of the 4-stroke engine cycle. What you are proposing is essentially a "wasted spark" ignition system used by millions of engines worldwide.
As the name suggests, firing the engine on the exhaust stroke (which is exactly what you are proposing) does not provide smoother running or more power.
Without modifications to the camshaft making it more suited to two cylinder operation, this engine isn't going to run any better.
@@fivepointeightnate My point was that a 4 stoke engine needs to have it's cylinders in line with each other in order to fire evenly, with one cylinder on induction, while the other is on ignition. If the cylinders oppose, the second cylinder will fire after 90 degrees and then their will be a 270 degrees interval.
The cylinders are only opposing on a 2 stroke engine, which then fires every 180 degrees.
As a design engineer, this is obvious to me, but it takes a while for most people to work it out. It often takes me ages to fully explain it to people before the penny drops.
Wow 😳 you did it! It runs. That's incredible! Well done! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🏆🍾. I love your channel 🤩🤘 thank you for amazing videos!
Now you need to make a six cylinder from a four cylinder and two more cylinders from another engine.
One I have heard of is a guy driving a Citreon 2CV it broke so he converted it into a motorcycle with just the manufacturer's supplied tool kit, have you got a vehicle you could do the same.
I would like to see you take a V8 and make it a V10 or V12. Maybe you should have settled for three cylinders.
This episode was rather interesting! Considering you CUT AN ENGINE IN HALF and it runs!!
Thank you, thank you for this, can't believe you made it work. You guys are Great!
This will remain as innovative idea for another decade... 🙏
Thanks for the video.
I am a 47 year old Canadian gearhead. Never. Ever. In my life did I think I would find myself searching classifieds for a Lada🤦
Reminds me of a guy who took a perfectly running Mercedes diesel and converted it to 2 stroke with a Ford supercharger.Well it did produce a lot of smoke ,expensive, less power.
We know you will choose the nutty ideas! We love you for it 🙏
All you have to do is use cylinders 1 and 4. First front one. last back one. And then all you do, you configure one piston up, and the other piston all the way down. Just make them 180 degrees from each other. Then you're done, and you retain the rear half of the block and the front half of the block.
11:00 - wee weld up 😂
daum, this Chanel man, i love you content, i loved myth busters as a kid, i love top gear, and im currently having an obsession over mechanics, even though i crashed my first car after having for a week -__- but this Chanel is great, I'm watching the whole thing with a grin on my face! keep it up! heh/ i love your humor too, 13:40 reminds me of a woodworking teacher i once had!
The video was the most awesome of the channel!
Fascinating. Stayed interested the whole video. Good job comrades.!!!
Incredible, Masters of Mechanics, crazy crazy genial Russians, incredible job, what a skill and dexterity in working and adjusting ! You have motors in your veins and in your head. There'no limit for your capability! I'm going to subscribe NOW! Thank you!
I know it is hard to get engines in a V configuration. I would like to see you guy take a V8 and turn it into a V6 and another into a V4. It is challenging, but I have faith you guys can do it
This is Sunie Waterhouse again from Franklin Idaho in the United States I wanted to be more clear about what I want you guys to try. I want you to create a vacuum suction on the exhaust from a pro charger or a turbo charger or even electric something it’ll pull harder than the exhaust is pushing out to where it sucks. The heat out of the engine and help suck the pistons up and pulls the air mixture through
Just found your channel and I love it! Can’t believe you did this and it actually ran 😂. Like what I see here!
🔴🟡🟢Here is a good challenge! 1 cylinder, Two pistons opposed🤩
Make one with diesel and 360 cc capacity, use two of the pistons from the most normal motor you can find with 1,8 liter capacity - combine this.
Air or water cooled doesn't matter, but I will go for air.
I'm planning to do this myself, mount it inside a motorcycle frame and see how much distance I can get out of just one tank with fuel.
They say it's 60 percent more fuel efficent with double push for every💥on the compression stroke👌
This is good numbers, you know what I'm going to do😄🤞