I've been waiting for an actual review of this, great job! I am leaning towards this over the MC9. I love the triggers on the Caniks but I love the ergos of my 509 and this looks like a smaller version of that. Hopefully I can find one to go test it out before I "pull the trigger" on getting one.
Haha I said that when I bought mine last Friday! My exact wording I think I’m gonna go ahead and “pull the trigger” on the FN Reflex right there the FDE with the red dot capability!
Don't use steel wool on your guns! First try an ink eraser, if that doesn't do it, get a real copper penny (prior to 1965) , put some penetrating oil on the rust spot and let it soak in for awhile, then rub gently with the edge of the penny. This will remove the rust without damaging the gun's finish or metal.
Absolutely. Some people are saying they are late in the game but I think they combined all the good micros with the good stuff they offered and added what they weren’t providing, a very smooth trigger.
Thats close, i am leaning towards the M&P but i am seeing some stuff i like with the FN as well. I have medium hands so the FN should work for me to try. With me in Texas and you in Arkansas we have to worry about rust. Sig needs to step up their coating. Cause that’s all they kind of have going against them with the Macro.
@@livennick9 i know what you mean sir. In Texas we get all these Californians moving here and they are like wow it’s hot here, how can you take these summers and i am like did you google the weather before driving half way across the country to buy a cheaper house? It’s hot and you will sweat, again i love the Macro, fit’s my hands very well, shoots and looks great. Great out of the box experience but if they can’t admit the rust issue and fix it and provide a better coating on the slides that is going to be a issue. Glock and M&P shields seem to be holding up just fine.
@@jasonallen3189 😂 exactly. If I was going to move halfway across the country if I had a choice I would definitely visit first. The shield plus is my top choice for carry still so far. Maybe if the Hk is ever released I’ll have to check it out for sure though.
Awesome video, thanks! How would you say the muzzle rise/recoil impulse felt compared to your Shield Plus, and your Hellcat Pro? Been looking at a Shield Plus Performance Center 4" but I'm pretty interested in picking this up too, I love my Hellcat Pro though.
Thanks man. I appreciate that. The muzzle rise with the extended mag is about on par with the hellcat pro. The felt recoil is about the same. The shield plus Performance center 4” has less muzzle rise than the other two but it is also larger than both and ported. I’ve had a few malfs with my 4” pc smith. I had zero malfs with the fn reflex and the hellcat pro. The reflex is too thin front to back for me to shoot confidently every shot if I haven’t fired it in a few weeks. The past three weeks I have only carried my hellcat pro. It’s very reliable, very well built, light and thin enough for easy carry, and still holds 16 rounds. I honestly don’t see me changing from it any day soon. If you’re wanting a range toy, truck gun, or home defense gun I HIGHLY recommend checking out the new Springfield Echelon. I shot mine for the first time tonight and let me say it’s very impressive. I should have the video downloaded by tomorrow morning. It’s being uploaded as we speak but takes so long. Hope this helps.
@@livennick9 I've heard great things about the new Springfield Echelon and I'll definitely be on the lookout for your video! Thanks for your input. My Hellcat Pro doesn't quite fit me perfectly which is why I've been looking at the Reflex and Performance center (non ported), although I shoot it pretty well and it's super reliable so it would have to be perfect for me to give it up.
It'd be awesome if they came out with a tac version of this with a threaded barrel and suppressor height sights like FN is known for doing but still keeping the package the same size 👀🔥
@mac001texas Comfortably conceal during the day, get home and throw a can on it, extended mag for better grip, and use it as a home defense gun so you have one gun that can do multiple things.
@connormckay9429 i imagine there will be a recoil spring problem with the suppressor attached since its pretty lightweight, i also do not want suppressor sights and extra barrel length to holster cuz it adds to the things that can poke or make me uncomfortable and slightly to the weight, but i can see your point though if you're willing to make those compromises while carrying
Does the serial number appear to be attached to an “internal chassis”? If that’s the case, and the grip can be modified pretty easily, I would personally still take a chance on it and have someone add a Razorback palm swell to it in order to increase that front to back width.
Thanks fkr making this, was curious if that was surface rust like you thought. In addition, i was wondering did you have any feeding issues during that 1000 rounds? Also, do you feel it will handle regularly training/using +p (like to train with similar ammo i carry with). A lot of the micros are not fans of consistent+p use ive noticed (why i ended up not getting my favorite of the bunch the mako R7). Lastly, that finish, could you keep us posted on if it continues to wear // you get any more rust spots? Still got a couple weeks before it looks like anywhere near ne will have this in stock. Regardless this still looks like to be my new EDC choice after this video unless you end up noticing anything after some carry time.
Thanks for watching man. As far as failures, there were zero malfs of any kind. To address the full diet of +p, well, I haven’t used but a box and a half and it did fine but my guess for all out training purposes I don’t think so. I could be wrong though. I’m sure it would be fine for a while but would probably amplify wear. Micros are great but they are what they are for the most part, kind fragile in my opinion. I could be completely wrong though. Hope this helps.
Oh and as far as the surface rust issue, I’m pretty sure it was hardened factory lube. It was on the extractor and it has a different coating than the slide and barrel. The slide is a grey/black pvd coating and the extractor is something else. Not sure what the finish is on it to be honest. But, as far as rust it’s rust free at the moment
@@livennick9 ahh I should have clarified, just to keep the muscle memory fresh I like to make sure I go through a mag or two of the EDC every few weeks, with something similar to what I carry in it. Kinda similar really to what you did here. Some range ammo (usually about 100) then a mag or two of ballistic equivalent of carry ammo. (Which I never thought was extreme, until I was told the Mako wouldn't last very long if I did that) -- based on all this though seems I made the right call and waited for this to release, and definitely will be grabbing the reflex.
Great review, thank you. I'm trying to decide which to get. I want to alternate with my G26 this Georgia warmer times of the year. What's your choice between the Shield Plus, FN Reflex or the Sig P365??? Appreciate your guidance. Happy Easter!
Happy Easter to you too bud. This is just my personal choice but the glock 26 or 19 and shield plus is probably the best combo out there. That’s just my personal opinion though. It’s hard to beast a Glock double stack so you’re good there. But when you need something slim and lighter having shot many of rounds out of the reflex, 365 (all models), and the shield plus, I feel the shield plus will hold up a lot better. It’s very accurate too. Hope this helps.
Thanks for your response and for your opinion on this for me. I'll dig into the Shield Plus more. Getting older, my eyes aren't working like before. I want to add a green dot or red dot and the Shield Plus comes cut too. Love my Glocks but it getting hot already here too in North Georgia. I just wanted something different for EDC. Thanks again! I'll be looking for more videos from you. Love your reviews.
@@MrEd-dc6mh anytime bud. Enjoy the search. Sometimes you can find the shield plus with a high vis nightsight and crimson trace red dot for a good price. Mine was new in that combo and it was only $429 or $439.
I have an FNX 45 Tac. Its a nice gun but I do have a gripe with concern to FN polymer products. They feel very plastic. I don't wanna say cheap but they don't feel like what you would expect for the price. I had the opportunity to try the Canik MC 9 and feels like a more expensive product for what is cost. My TP9 SF has better quality feel than a lot of more expensive competitors as well. Kind of makes me sad because I am conflicted about buying another FN but I like their 509 and 545 offerings as well as the Reflex. Currently carry a Hellcat Pro but I want more options for a rotation.
If you think the other FNs feel cheap I would definitely pass on the reflex. The grip frame feels like about 25 cents worth of plastic honestly. The slide and barrel feels very solid. I wish the grip was the size of my mc9 and slide like the reflex and it would be perfect. The grip on the reflex in my opinion for me and what I like is just too small.
I think you would be making a good choice. From what I’ve put it through so far. Plus the eps carry is an excellent optic. They would be a great combo.
How many hollow points do you shoot with a gun before using it for carrying? Your videos are very informative and detailed. I like them. You have a fan from Puerto Rico. Saludos 🤙
Awesome man. Thank you bud. I normally shoot 200 hollow points of my carry round of choice for the particular pistol I am going to carry before carrying it. There has to be zero malfs on hollow points before I will holster it. Hope this helps man.
Great review. What’s your opinion of this vs the cr 920 elite? I have one and it’s been running like a top but the trigger leaves a lot to be desired. Thanks for the video!
I really appreciate that man. The reflex is an awesome gun with a great trigger but to me the grip size of the cr is much better with my hand size. The grip on the fn is too small in my opinion. If your cr is running good I would probably stick with it. Just my opinion though. When I reviewed the cr920 a while back it was one of the best feeling subs I’ve shot. Still is.
For where I live it would be the Fn for me as of right now. I have been carrying the shield plus every day due to the rust issues I was having with the sig. The heat and humidity here in Arkansas living right off the river is insane. We all pretty much require really good finishes and the sigs is not. However, if the Fn does not show rust or signs of rust over the next few weeks of carrying it instead of the plus I will probably keep carrying the Fn. for winter I will probably be switching back to the Macro Tacops. Sorry it’s so weird of an answer but it’s the truth. 3 main things I look for in a pistol are reliability, finish, and thickness.
Im a M&P guy and love my shield plus just sent my slide of to be re-machined for the 407K. If I had one complaint it would be the capacity. I feel like they could have squeezed one or two more rounds per magazine.
I did at first and then realized it was me. When I concentrated on my trigger pull it was dead on. But I did trade it back in because I worked with it for a long while and I like one that is more natural to point. I mean let’s face it, if a person needs it then there isn’t time to focus. The sig macro points the most natural of any pistol for me I’ve shot besides 1911s. I had some rust issues with my first macro but I think I’m going to see if they fixed the finish issue because it is one heck of a pistol even if their customer service sucks.
It’s kind of hard to answer that because everyone perceives recoil differently it in my opinion the reflex has less than the mqx9 and The shield plus has the least.
Hey man, how does it compare to the Canik Mete Mc9, I remember you raving about the Mc9 and considering it as a new carry option but haven’t seen it or heard you speak on it since…
I would choose it over the canik. In my opinion. I liked the canik but traded it back in to the place I got it. The mags never would drop free which wasn’t a huge deal but for the size it was heavier than need be in my opinion. The canik unloaded is about the weight of the reflex with 12 rounds in it. Hope this helps.
@@livennick9 yea I really like the Mc9 a lot ,my wife gets pissed at me because I'll just walk up to it and change out the mag just for the hell of it.
@@PAC_84 😂 😆 sounds just like me man. I’ll be in the gunroom and the wife will be in our room and I’ll be racking a slide or dry firing and all I ever hear is stop that noise you know I hate that. 😆
@@livennick9 yea everytime I walk past it I change out the mag and aim and dry fire. I like the Mc9 better than my Glock 27 I have. Mainly because it's slimmer and easier to carry
With the 15 round mag in making it a full grip like on the macro they shoot pretty much the same. But, the FN has a better trigger, better finish, and the ability to be smaller. If I had to choose only one of those two after shooting and carrying both I would choose the Fn Reflex hands down. Hope this helps man. I do like the macro and the macro tacops a lot but In my opinion the FN is a better gun. And also cheaper. Saves money for more ammo or toys to mount on it.
Traded it in towards this one. I’m not sponsored and don’t make a lot off TH-cam and when this one popped up I had been waiting on it to be released since shot show so I had to let something go. Lol
You and me both. In my opinion any hammer fired pistol that isn’t a true double action should have a safety. It doesn’t look like they are so far though.
Got mine Saturday. Cleaned and oiled Sunday. Shot a 100rds 115 grain Winchesters. By the 90th or so round the back strap pin holding the bottom half of the hammer mechanism to the frame started coming out. Unfortunately I have to send it in. Disappointed honestly. Especially since it’s my first pistol purchase.
Oh man. That really sucks. Im sorry that happened to you. I bet you are definitely disappointed. Try taking it back to the dealer you got it from and see if they will swap for a shield plus. I’ve been carrying the shield plus exclusively for 8 or 9 months and the thing is bombproof.
@@livennick9 I rented one yesterday at the range and shot it around my reflex and honestly I didn’t like the grip feel much. I feel way more comfortable holding the reflex. It’s like it was made for my hand. The shield feels kind of small to me even though they’re similar in size. And the other issue with swapping is I bought it in Florida, home state. I temporarily live and work in CO so I’d have to fly back with it etc. it’d be a pain. I am very happy with the purchase just hope FN delivers and get this fixed quickly because honestly I completely adore this gun. Also shot a 43x yesterday and that was probably the worst feeling ccw I’ve tried. I think my next will be a vp9sk. It was gonna be my first till I found this reflex. Just wish FN had some better QC with the reflex because personally, I feel it’s the perfect conceal weapon.
@@virenpatel9973 I hear ya man. Whatever feels best and you shoot better is all that matters for sure. They normally have good turnaround at fn so I wish you luck bud. I think all manufacturers are very lacking in QC these days.
My serial number is 3000 more than yours. Exactly the same everything but mines in the 9100s. So maybe ours is on the first 10,000 made possibly!? I bought mine here in Oklahoma and you’d think it’d be more rare here but I had choice of color and MRD or not. I’ve seen people all over saying they’re hard to find.
That’s awesome. There’s a dang good chance they are. When I purchased mine it was the only one in 60 mile radius around fort smith. They are still scarce around here.
@@livennick9 glad to hear it. I patiently waited for the reflex to release but have had a chance to hold the shield plus performance 3.1" and I think I'm in love haha. I am not convinced on buying the reflex after hearing and watching videos about it for sure but i've been carrying my heavily modified 509 compact tactical for a while, its been great too but I want smaller.
@@twentyonehertz the shield plus fits like a glove. I was the same way with the reflex. I wanted it to be the perfect gun but the dang grip is sooooo small front to back. The width and height is good but dang they should’ve added back strap swapping ability and it would probably have been perfect.
No manual safety but does have a drop safety. It’s a good pistol but I still think the shield plus is the king for carry pieces inder $600. The one I got came with a crimson trace red dot, high viz night sights, 10 and 13 round mag for under $450. I think the reflex is a great pistol but the grip is too small for me and the shield plus feels more solid than any micro I’ve felt. It’s all I will be carrying for a long while.
AGREE or DISAGREE? Here's a more articulate description of the issue I see with the Reflex trigger: The real issue I see with the trigger on the Reflex is not so much that it’s too light. At 4.5 lbs, I would call it “relatively light.” However, when that relatively light trigger also breaks farther forward than other handguns with which the shooter might be acquainted (Glock, S&W, Walther, etc.), the perception is that the pistol fires during what would (in those other handguns) be the take-up stage of the trigger stroke. That’s why I tried to stress at the end of the video that a shooter might have to be dedicated to this specific handgun. If he/she routinely fires other pistols, and fires the Reflex only on occasion, I could foresee the potential for unintended shots under stress.
I happy Glocks and 1911s more than any other pistol when I train off camera and didn’t have an issue but can definitely see where a new shooter may have issues.
@@livennick9 I would think that would apply to any gun. The trigger on the MC9 is light and with the short reset it could also be fired unintentionally IMO. I double tapped while shooting the MC9 at the range and didn't expect it as I'd never shot that specific gun with that short of a reset. I'm use to Glocks
@@rikt1541 front to back. I have the same issue with my support hand on both. In all honesty, I know a lot of people don’t like the pistol for one reason or another, but the hellcat pro fits very good in my hand and I’ve been carrying it a lot lately. It’s definitely more of a solid feeling pistol than the sig and the finish is better in my opinion.
@@livennick9 I thought it was the FN that was rusting. Thanks for clearing up my confusion. I am debating between the FN and the Hellcat. Both look great!
@@davidjs74 the fn and the hellcat are both great pistols. I have a video on the hellcat pro. Actually two videos. The first video the pistol was a lemon and the second was excellent.
Well i have the mc9 and honestly it has a better trigger especially the reset. Also the mc9 has more capacity. The only con from the reflex would be the sights and i would imagine the recoil would be better with the internal hammer. Plus the mc9 is only $399 MSRP compared to $599.
Yah sights are better on the FN (plus front night sight), it’s smaller and lighter too. Not near as chunky as the canik. Although I do still love my mc9.
@@livennick9 can’t go wrong with either., but the mc9 trigger is better with a better rest & it has a full picatinny rail unlike the reflex. Its is already optics cut for the same price...the mc9 comes with way more..for example you get three back plates, two pinky extensions, two mags, a holster, a mag loader, a full cleaning kit, and full tool kit and a hard case.. unlike the fn where’s it’s just a cardboard box and a extra mag. The mc9 is also fully ambidextrous. Tbh a lot of people can’t afford the price tag on the reflex when compared to Canik prices. Most likely I’m getting the reflex just because the brand name of FN,and the better front sight that comes with the reflex.
You get what you pay for. The Canik MC9 is a cheap piece of plastic, compared to the quality of the FN Reflex. Better trigger is very subjective. The trigger take-up on the Reflex is much smoother and shorter, with no creep after hard defined wall, on the other hand the take-up on the Canik mc9 is longer, grittier, and with noticeable creep. This is much more important than having a very short reset on a carry or self-defense pistol. Most likely in that situation you will let the trigger all the way out after your first shot.
@@gracedagostino5231 man you’re spot on dude. A lot of people want to preach about trigger reset. In my opinion it’s not that important. The most important part to me is overtravel. That’s what will screw your shot up the most. The same videos I’ve seen of people shooting to reset do so very slow but when you see them shooting faster you can see their finger hitting the front of the trigger bar. I just don’t see it that important to a point. There is too long but most aren’t these days.
Man it seems like people think micros are like full size pistols when it comes to cleaning. The internet and TH-camrs pretty much ruined two excellent pistols in my opinion. The Reflex, and the Smith and Wesson CSX. The CSX is a phenomenal pistol but everyone jumped on the wagon about the trigger. 😂 it’s kind of sad how it’s turned in to a follow the leader thing anymore.
@@livennick9 Considering the Reflex heavily but all the reported issues have made me decline. Have seen two videos tonight where a good cleaning appears to be the answer. That I know how to do.
@@34dawgsgo it’s an excellent pistol. I will say the trigger takes a bit to get used to being a internal hammer fired pistol. But it is such a smooth trigger.
@@34dawgsgo it’s not light enough to go off on it’s own because of the length of travel for the trigger but I will say I have been carrying a shield+ and a m&p compact for about 6 months now exclusively and me personally would choose the shield plus over the reflex. But like I say that’s just my opinion.
Man I’ve tried ordering holsters through them before. They are good quality and only about 5 miles from me. The problem is I’ve asked if I could come pick one up but they say they don’t have a a way for me to do so. So they build it and then with our screwed up mail service around here it gets shipped 75 miles off and then back to me. So the way I see it if I can’t pick one up I doubt it would do me any good. That would be excellent if they could though. Especially since it’s a local shop.
Nice to see a review from a person not getting a kick back.
I know, I was waiting to see a review from someone that actually purchased the pistol but now I can’t find one anywhere 😆.
I've been waiting for an actual review of this, great job! I am leaning towards this over the MC9. I love the triggers on the Caniks but I love the ergos of my 509 and this looks like a smaller version of that. Hopefully I can find one to go test it out before I "pull the trigger" on getting one.
Heck yah man. I appreciate that bud. They are definitely small and lightweight.
Well the Canik Mete 9 is having a shit ton of issues so that'll be a Big No from me. Seems like FN gtt it right with this one however 👍🏻
@@michaelschwab9563 the FN is good to go on the one I have.
Haha I said that when I bought mine last Friday! My exact wording I think I’m gonna go ahead and “pull the trigger” on the FN Reflex right there the FDE with the red dot capability!
Love the video,honest opinion and facts.Thanks
Thank ya
Don't use steel wool on your guns! First try an ink eraser, if that doesn't do it, get a real copper penny (prior to 1965) , put some penetrating oil on the rust spot and let it soak in for awhile, then rub gently with the edge of the penny. This will remove the rust without damaging the gun's finish or metal.
Awesome. Thank ya
I learned something new. Thank you!
@@livennick9cool video, what’s your current favorite concealed carry pistol ?
@@propblast82nd thank you. For me it’s definitely the shield plus.
One of the first videos of an actual consumer ! Keep the updates up this FN is super promising this one seems it could be one of the best
Absolutely. Some people are saying they are late in the game but I think they combined all the good micros with the good stuff they offered and added what they weren’t providing, a very smooth trigger.
@@livennick9Sounds like I need one. Good video brother! 👊🏽💯
@@dopeboyp3487 thanks bud! I appreciate that!!!!!
@@livennick9 No problem!
Blessings Man, Nice video, thanks so much for sharing.
Thank you.
@@livennick9 It's a Lot of work, effort and expense, we thank you for making the video so we can make a more informed decision. Blessings.
@@edwardnelson3304 man you don’t know how much that means to hear bud. I really appreciate that!!!!
Good stuff. Thanks!
Thank you.
Thank you!
The echo from your range sounds fucking awesome
Thats close, i am leaning towards the M&P but i am seeing some stuff i like with the FN as well. I have medium hands so the FN should work for me to try. With me in Texas and you in Arkansas we have to worry about rust. Sig needs to step up their coating. Cause that’s all they kind of have going against them with the Macro.
Exactly. Some people don’t understand our humidity is on a different level.
@@livennick9 i know what you mean sir. In Texas we get all these Californians moving here and they are like wow it’s hot here, how can you take these summers and i am like did you google the weather before driving half way across the country to buy a cheaper house? It’s hot and you will sweat, again i love the Macro, fit’s my hands very well, shoots and looks great. Great out of the box experience but if they can’t admit the rust issue and fix it and provide a better coating on the slides that is going to be a issue. Glock and M&P shields seem to be holding up just fine.
@@jasonallen3189 😂 exactly. If I was going to move halfway across the country if I had a choice I would definitely visit first. The shield plus is my top choice for carry still so far. Maybe if the Hk is ever released I’ll have to check it out for sure though.
Nice review 👍...Im thinking about one of these or a Sig 365X
Thanks bud
Awesome video, thanks! How would you say the muzzle rise/recoil impulse felt compared to your Shield Plus, and your Hellcat Pro? Been looking at a Shield Plus Performance Center 4" but I'm pretty interested in picking this up too, I love my Hellcat Pro though.
Thanks man. I appreciate that. The muzzle rise with the extended mag is about on par with the hellcat pro. The felt recoil is about the same. The shield plus Performance center 4” has less muzzle rise than the other two but it is also larger than both and ported. I’ve had a few malfs with my 4” pc smith. I had zero malfs with the fn reflex and the hellcat pro. The reflex is too thin front to back for me to shoot confidently every shot if I haven’t fired it in a few weeks. The past three weeks I have only carried my hellcat pro. It’s very reliable, very well built, light and thin enough for easy carry, and still holds 16 rounds. I honestly don’t see me changing from it any day soon. If you’re wanting a range toy, truck gun, or home defense gun I HIGHLY recommend checking out the new Springfield Echelon. I shot mine for the first time tonight and let me say it’s very impressive. I should have the video downloaded by tomorrow morning. It’s being uploaded as we speak but takes so long. Hope this helps.
@@livennick9 I've heard great things about the new Springfield Echelon and I'll definitely be on the lookout for your video! Thanks for your input. My Hellcat Pro doesn't quite fit me perfectly which is why I've been looking at the Reflex and Performance center (non ported), although I shoot it pretty well and it's super reliable so it would have to be perfect for me to give it up.
@@marvnation924 if I were to pick between the reflex and the smith PC non-ported it would be the smith ands down.
@@livennick9the reflex require many rounds to break in.
It'd be awesome if they came out with a tac version of this with a threaded barrel and suppressor height sights like FN is known for doing but still keeping the package the same size 👀🔥
Definitely
Dude I was just thinking this today
Why, why do you need supressor sights and a thread barrel on a micro pistol, why even buy a micro pistol then?
@mac001texas Comfortably conceal during the day, get home and throw a can on it, extended mag for better grip, and use it as a home defense gun so you have one gun that can do multiple things.
@connormckay9429 i imagine there will be a recoil spring problem with the suppressor attached since its pretty lightweight, i also do not want suppressor sights and extra barrel length to holster cuz it adds to the things that can poke or make me uncomfortable and slightly to the weight, but i can see your point though if you're willing to make those compromises while carrying
I want one! 😍
great video nick
Thanks bud
Need to look into a reflex I have the fn503 and love it
Does the serial number appear to be attached to an “internal chassis”? If that’s the case, and the grip can be modified pretty easily, I would personally still take a chance on it and have someone add a Razorback palm swell to it in order to increase that front to back width.
Yah it’s serial number on the frame. I may have to look into that. Good idea man.
Thanks fkr making this, was curious if that was surface rust like you thought. In addition, i was wondering did you have any feeding issues during that 1000 rounds? Also, do you feel it will handle regularly training/using +p (like to train with similar ammo i carry with). A lot of the micros are not fans of consistent+p use ive noticed (why i ended up not getting my favorite of the bunch the mako R7). Lastly, that finish, could you keep us posted on if it continues to wear // you get any more rust spots? Still got a couple weeks before it looks like anywhere near ne will have this in stock. Regardless this still looks like to be my new EDC choice after this video unless you end up noticing anything after some carry time.
Thanks for watching man. As far as failures, there were zero malfs of any kind. To address the full diet of +p, well, I haven’t used but a box and a half and it did fine but my guess for all out training purposes I don’t think so. I could be wrong though. I’m sure it would be fine for a while but would probably amplify wear. Micros are great but they are what they are for the most part, kind fragile in my opinion. I could be completely wrong though. Hope this helps.
Oh and as far as the surface rust issue, I’m pretty sure it was hardened factory lube. It was on the extractor and it has a different coating than the slide and barrel. The slide is a grey/black pvd coating and the extractor is something else. Not sure what the finish is on it to be honest. But, as far as rust it’s rust free at the moment
@@livennick9 ahh I should have clarified, just to keep the muscle memory fresh I like to make sure I go through a mag or two of the EDC every few weeks, with something similar to what I carry in it. Kinda similar really to what you did here. Some range ammo (usually about 100) then a mag or two of ballistic equivalent of carry ammo.
(Which I never thought was extreme, until I was told the Mako wouldn't last very long if I did that) -- based on all this though seems I made the right call and waited for this to release, and definitely will be grabbing the reflex.
@@joesantaniello8709 oh. Sorry about that. I misunderstood. Yes, it should definitely hold up to that. I do the same thing man. Every time I go.
Great review, thank you. I'm trying to decide which to get. I want to alternate with my G26 this Georgia warmer times of the year. What's your choice between the Shield Plus, FN Reflex or the Sig P365??? Appreciate your guidance. Happy Easter!
Happy Easter to you too bud. This is just my personal choice but the glock 26 or 19 and shield plus is probably the best combo out there. That’s just my personal opinion though. It’s hard to beast a Glock double stack so you’re good there. But when you need something slim and lighter having shot many of rounds out of the reflex, 365 (all models), and the shield plus, I feel the shield plus will hold up a lot better. It’s very accurate too. Hope this helps.
Thanks for your response and for your opinion on this for me. I'll dig into the Shield Plus more. Getting older, my eyes aren't working like before. I want to add a green dot or red dot and the Shield Plus comes cut too. Love my Glocks but it getting hot already here too in North Georgia. I just wanted something different for EDC. Thanks again! I'll be looking for more videos from you. Love your reviews.
@@MrEd-dc6mh anytime bud. Enjoy the search. Sometimes you can find the shield plus with a high vis nightsight and crimson trace red dot for a good price. Mine was new in that combo and it was only $429 or $439.
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It’s like it comes right back down on the target fast.
You threw the shaka sign, you must have visited Hawaii we made that haha. 🤙🏽
I don’t like that sights at night. It’s a blacked out rear and hard to pick up the little dot. What’s your thoughts on tritium night sights?
I personally prefer blacked out square notch rear and high vis front night sight.
It mostly shares a holster with the glock 43x almost perfectly. Fyi
I have an FNX 45 Tac. Its a nice gun but I do have a gripe with concern to FN polymer products. They feel very plastic. I don't wanna say cheap but they don't feel like what you would expect for the price.
I had the opportunity to try the Canik MC 9 and feels like a more expensive product for what is cost. My TP9 SF has better quality feel than a lot of more expensive competitors as well.
Kind of makes me sad because I am conflicted about buying another FN but I like their 509 and 545 offerings as well as the Reflex.
Currently carry a Hellcat Pro but I want more options for a rotation.
If you think the other FNs feel cheap I would definitely pass on the reflex. The grip frame feels like about 25 cents worth of plastic honestly. The slide and barrel feels very solid. I wish the grip was the size of my mc9 and slide like the reflex and it would be perfect. The grip on the reflex in my opinion for me and what I like is just too small.
@@livennick9 thanks ,I actually have giant hands as well. So that's all good to know.
@@1400IntruderVS absolutely man. Anytime
Your hands were shaking about as bad as my thumb trying to get the 17th round in the Macro magazine.
😂 yah I definitely know that feeling.
Ive been thinking of getting one as my first FN with an holosun EPS. What's your thoughts on the gun
I think you would be making a good choice. From what I’ve put it through so far. Plus the eps carry is an excellent optic. They would be a great combo.
@@livennick9 thanks.
@@billtaylor1656 anytime man. Happy shopping!!!!
shooting with the optic great deal I will inform if it gets better
Heck yah.
I want this gun, I’ve got the FN509 which I love but sometimes wish for smaller version. This is it!!!!
If that’s what you’re looking for trust me when I say you will love it. It’s a dang good gun man.
509c is better grip but fatter framewhichmmay or may not suck in warm weather. ai say carry as large as is still comfortable to carry
How many hollow points do you shoot with a gun before using it for carrying?
Your videos are very informative and detailed. I like them.
You have a fan from Puerto Rico. Saludos 🤙
Awesome man. Thank you bud. I normally shoot 200 hollow points of my carry round of choice for the particular pistol I am going to carry before carrying it. There has to be zero malfs on hollow points before I will holster it. Hope this helps man.
We need an update video on the FN Reflex!!!
Nice comparison w shield
Thank you bud
Great review.
What’s your opinion of this vs the cr 920 elite? I have one and it’s been running like a top but the trigger leaves a lot to be desired.
Thanks for the video!
I really appreciate that man. The reflex is an awesome gun with a great trigger but to me the grip size of the cr is much better with my hand size. The grip on the fn is too small in my opinion. If your cr is running good I would probably stick with it. Just my opinion though. When I reviewed the cr920 a while back it was one of the best feeling subs I’ve shot. Still is.
@@livennick9
Appreciate the feedback! Keep doing great vids!
Great video as always.. Fn Reflex or Sig Macro Tacops for ccw?
Macro
Depends on which one you shoot more accurately. Doesn't matter if the Macro holds 2 more rounds if you can only hit 13/17.
For where I live it would be the Fn for me as of right now. I have been carrying the shield plus every day due to the rust issues I was having with the sig. The heat and humidity here in Arkansas living right off the river is insane. We all pretty much require really good finishes and the sigs is not. However, if the Fn does not show rust or signs of rust over the next few weeks of carrying it instead of the plus I will probably keep carrying the Fn. for winter I will probably be switching back to the Macro Tacops. Sorry it’s so weird of an answer but it’s the truth. 3 main things I look for in a pistol are reliability, finish, and thickness.
Im a M&P guy and love my shield plus just sent my slide of to be re-machined for the 407K. If I had one complaint it would be the capacity. I feel like they could have squeezed one or two more rounds per magazine.
They do sell 15 round mags for them oem from smith and wesson
Can't stand the shield's stapler trigger
Look up magguts 10+3 and 13+2 mag extensions.
Do you prefer this or the Hellcat pro?
I like this better than the hellcat pro but only because of the trigger. The hellcat pro is a very solid pistol.
Almost every review I’ve seen their saying it is hitting lower and left. Have you had the same issue?
I did at first and then realized it was me. When I concentrated on my trigger pull it was dead on. But I did trade it back in because I worked with it for a long while and I like one that is more natural to point. I mean let’s face it, if a person needs it then there isn’t time to focus. The sig macro points the most natural of any pistol for me I’ve shot besides 1911s. I had some rust issues with my first macro but I think I’m going to see if they fixed the finish issue because it is one heck of a pistol even if their customer service sucks.
Which has less recoil the FN Reflex or the Ruger Max 9?
It’s kind of hard to answer that because everyone perceives recoil differently it in my opinion the reflex has less than the mqx9 and The shield plus has the least.
Hey man, how does it compare to the Canik Mete Mc9, I remember you raving about the Mc9 and considering it as a new carry option but haven’t seen it or heard you speak on it since…
I would choose it over the canik. In my opinion. I liked the canik but traded it back in to the place I got it. The mags never would drop free which wasn’t a huge deal but for the size it was heavier than need be in my opinion. The canik unloaded is about the weight of the reflex with 12 rounds in it. Hope this helps.
@@livennick9 great input, have to get my hands on one of those reflexes and the Hk spf9cc when it comes out
@@KoyoteMaglen I’m definitely looking forward to the hk. Especially since it has a fcu like the sigs
@@KoyoteMaglen yup looking to grab both of those
I'm still getting use to mine. Only about 250 rounds. I have xxl glove hands so having issues with grip.
I did too man. They are very hard to get used to with above average sized hands.
Goon tape would probably help. Just wrap it lol
Or a hogue grip
Just bought one, was wondering if it’s safe to carry with one in the head?
It appears that it is. Just always keep you finger off the trigger.
Would you say that this is better than the Canik Mete Mc9?? I was thinking about getting 1 and got the Mc9 because of the price.
I wouldnt say better. The FN is lighter and smaller but better I can’t say I think it is. The MC9 is an excellent pistol. Hope this helps.
@@livennick9 yea I really like the Mc9 a lot ,my wife gets pissed at me because I'll just walk up to it and change out the mag just for the hell of it.
@@PAC_84 😂 😆 sounds just like me man. I’ll be in the gunroom and the wife will be in our room and I’ll be racking a slide or dry firing and all I ever hear is stop that noise you know I hate that. 😆
@@livennick9 yea everytime I walk past it I change out the mag and aim and dry fire. I like the Mc9 better than my Glock 27 I have. Mainly because it's slimmer and easier to carry
@@PAC_84 it’s definitely an excellent pistol. I will say thought the 26 and 27 are very very hard to beat.
So what happened to the tacops?
looks like a good ccw
It is a very good choice. I still prefer the hellcat pro though myself.
Dara Holsters has one for the Reflex also.
Awesome. Thanks bud
Please please tell me how it shoots compared to a sig x-macro? I’m between the two!
With the 15 round mag in making it a full grip like on the macro they shoot pretty much the same. But, the FN has a better trigger, better finish, and the ability to be smaller. If I had to choose only one of those two after shooting and carrying both I would choose the Fn Reflex hands down. Hope this helps man. I do like the macro and the macro tacops a lot but In my opinion the FN is a better gun. And also cheaper. Saves money for more ammo or toys to mount on it.
@@livennick9 perfect! Appreciate the quick response
@@DonovanMc.-zm4dt anytime man!!!!
It’s cool for 0-10 yards. But I’ll take my g45 or M9A4 for EDC any day. - I can shoot a fist sized group at 30 yards with both
Heck yah man.
What happened to the mc9? You seemed to be diggin that more
Traded it in towards this one. I’m not sponsored and don’t make a lot off TH-cam and when this one popped up I had been waiting on it to be released since shot show so I had to let something go. Lol
So sad. I love my mc9. Still will probably pick this up though. Just cause I love guns and why not. Got to own lots of different brands. Lol
@@davidbradley7032 heck yah. I’ve been carrying the reflex for a while now. It’s a very nice pistol.
I wonder if they’re gonna release one with some kinda safety? I prefer having one for a conceal carry pistol.
You and me both. In my opinion any hammer fired pistol that isn’t a true double action should have a safety. It doesn’t look like they are so far though.
@@livennick9 Yeah I hear that. Well excellent review it definitely has me interested guess I’ll wait and see. 👍🏻
@@Three60Crusader I appreciate that.
Got mine Saturday. Cleaned and oiled Sunday. Shot a 100rds 115 grain Winchesters. By the 90th or so round the back strap pin holding the bottom half of the hammer mechanism to the frame started coming out. Unfortunately I have to send it in. Disappointed honestly. Especially since it’s my first pistol purchase.
Oh man. That really sucks. Im sorry that happened to you. I bet you are definitely disappointed. Try taking it back to the dealer you got it from and see if they will swap for a shield plus. I’ve been carrying the shield plus exclusively for 8 or 9 months and the thing is bombproof.
@@livennick9 I rented one yesterday at the range and shot it around my reflex and honestly I didn’t like the grip feel much. I feel way more comfortable holding the reflex. It’s like it was made for my hand. The shield feels kind of small to me even though they’re similar in size. And the other issue with swapping is I bought it in Florida, home state. I temporarily live and work in CO so I’d have to fly back with it etc. it’d be a pain. I am very happy with the purchase just hope FN delivers and get this fixed quickly because honestly I completely adore this gun. Also shot a 43x yesterday and that was probably the worst feeling ccw I’ve tried. I think my next will be a vp9sk. It was gonna be my first till I found this reflex. Just wish FN had some better QC with the reflex because personally, I feel it’s the perfect conceal weapon.
@@virenpatel9973 I hear ya man. Whatever feels best and you shoot better is all that matters for sure. They normally have good turnaround at fn so I wish you luck bud. I think all manufacturers are very lacking in QC these days.
@@livennick9 I appreciate it. Heard 5-6 days total time from someone w the same issues so hoping for the best
@@virenpatel9973 let me know how it turns out. Best of luck.
My serial number is 3000 more than yours. Exactly the same everything but mines in the 9100s. So maybe ours is on the first 10,000 made possibly!? I bought mine here in Oklahoma and you’d think it’d be more rare here but I had choice of color and MRD or not. I’ve seen people all over saying they’re hard to find.
That’s awesome. There’s a dang good chance they are. When I purchased mine it was the only one in 60 mile radius around fort smith. They are still scarce around here.
looks like the shield plus is still going to beat this one?
It is for me. I like this little gun but the shield plus is very very hard to beat in my opinion
@@livennick9 glad to hear it. I patiently waited for the reflex to release but have had a chance to hold the shield plus performance 3.1" and I think I'm in love haha. I am not convinced on buying the reflex after hearing and watching videos about it for sure but i've been carrying my heavily modified 509 compact tactical for a while, its been great too but I want smaller.
@@twentyonehertz the shield plus fits like a glove. I was the same way with the reflex. I wanted it to be the perfect gun but the dang grip is sooooo small front to back. The width and height is good but dang they should’ve added back strap swapping ability and it would probably have been perfect.
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The gun looks bent yes bent slightly. Watch video towards end.
What is up with your support hand grip?
Tiny gun big hand problems. Is what it is man.
@@livennick9 that’s not unique but I am sorry for my flippant comment in the moment.
@@michaelprince3248 it’s cool brother.
Was that rust??
Does it have a safty of any kind, im hsving trouble finding that info
No manual safety but does have a drop safety. It’s a good pistol but I still think the shield plus is the king for carry pieces inder $600. The one I got came with a crimson trace red dot, high viz night sights, 10 and 13 round mag for under $450. I think the reflex is a great pistol but the grip is too small for me and the shield plus feels more solid than any micro I’ve felt. It’s all I will be carrying for a long while.
@@livennick9 as a 5'3" man that sounds perfect. And thank u.
@@thearmedgardener absolutely bud. Glad I could help.
@@livennick9 thank you boss, have a great rest of ur week
@@thearmedgardener anytime man. You have a great week as well.
Is it the micro? Good honest video!
Thank you. Yes sir it’s their micro.
What type of holster do you carry? Do you have an optic on it yet? Again, great video! Thanks
AGREE or DISAGREE?
Here's a more articulate description of the issue I see with the Reflex trigger: The real issue I see with the trigger on the Reflex is not so much that it’s too light. At 4.5 lbs, I would call it “relatively light.” However, when that relatively light trigger also breaks farther forward than other handguns with which the shooter might be acquainted (Glock, S&W, Walther, etc.), the perception is that the pistol fires during what would (in those other handguns) be the take-up stage of the trigger stroke. That’s why I tried to stress at the end of the video that a shooter might have to be dedicated to this specific handgun. If he/she routinely fires other pistols, and fires the Reflex only on occasion, I could foresee the potential for unintended shots under stress.
I happy Glocks and 1911s more than any other pistol when I train off camera and didn’t have an issue but can definitely see where a new shooter may have issues.
@@livennick9 I would think that would apply to any gun. The trigger on the MC9 is light and with the short reset it could also be fired unintentionally IMO. I double tapped while shooting the MC9 at the range and didn't expect it as I'd never shot that specific gun with that short of a reset. I'm use to Glocks
@@danielk0106 yah. The only one I’ve ever unintentionally double tapped was one of my p7s
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so the grip size is like the p365 ?
It actually feels a hair smaller to me. It’s definitely a small grip for sure.
@@livennick9 oh in what way is it smaller? the sides? or front to back? my problem woth p365 is i dont have space for my support hand to grip on
@@rikt1541 front to back. I have the same issue with my support hand on both. In all honesty, I know a lot of people don’t like the pistol for one reason or another, but the hellcat pro fits very good in my hand and I’ve been carrying it a lot lately. It’s definitely more of a solid feeling pistol than the sig and the finish is better in my opinion.
@@livennick9 thank you for the advice👍🙏
@@rikt1541 absolutely bud. That’s what I’m here for.
Is the gun already rusting?
The FN is not. The sig had surface rust on the rear of the slide after carrying it for a very short amount of time though.
@@livennick9 I thought it was the FN that was rusting. Thanks for clearing up my confusion. I am debating between the FN and the Hellcat. Both look great!
@@davidjs74 the fn and the hellcat are both great pistols. I have a video on the hellcat pro. Actually two videos. The first video the pistol was a lemon and the second was excellent.
@@livennick9 I will check them out.
How TALL is it with the 15 round mag?
I just measured it with my calipers and it is exactly 5” tall with the 15 round mag to top of the slide minus sights.
@@livennick9 Thank You. I found a place I can order one for $460.00 should I wait?
@@danielk0106 man that’s a good price. It’s less than mine set me back. That’s only 10% over dealer if I were you I’d jump on it. Just my opinion
@@danielk0106 where is it for that pricey? Thanks
@@danielk0106put us on after you order one bro 😂
Bugs its a smaller grip. Shieldplus is a better grip
Absolutely it is. I’ve been carrying a shield plus exclusively for about 5 months now. In my opinion it’s the best all around edc out.
Well i have the mc9 and honestly it has a better trigger especially the reset. Also the mc9 has more capacity. The only con from the reflex would be the sights and i would imagine the recoil would be better with the internal hammer. Plus the mc9 is only $399 MSRP compared to $599.
Yah sights are better on the FN (plus front night sight), it’s smaller and lighter too. Not near as chunky as the canik. Although I do still love my mc9.
@@livennick9 can’t go wrong with either., but the mc9 trigger is better with a better rest & it has a full picatinny rail unlike the reflex. Its is already optics cut for the same price...the mc9 comes with way more..for example you get three back plates, two pinky extensions, two mags, a holster, a mag loader, a full cleaning kit, and full tool kit and a hard case.. unlike the fn where’s it’s just a cardboard box and a extra mag. The mc9 is also fully ambidextrous. Tbh a lot of people can’t afford the price tag on the reflex when compared to Canik prices. Most likely I’m getting the reflex just because the brand name of FN,and the better front sight that comes with the reflex.
@@highlightcenter815 very true.
You get what you pay for. The Canik MC9 is a cheap piece of plastic, compared to the quality of the FN Reflex. Better trigger is very subjective. The trigger take-up on the Reflex is much smoother and shorter, with no creep after hard defined wall, on the other hand the take-up on the Canik mc9 is longer, grittier, and with noticeable creep. This is much more important than having a very short reset on a carry or self-defense pistol. Most likely in that situation you will let the trigger all the way out after your first shot.
@@gracedagostino5231 man you’re spot on dude. A lot of people want to preach about trigger reset. In my opinion it’s not that important. The most important part to me is overtravel. That’s what will screw your shot up the most. The same videos I’ve seen of people shooting to reset do so very slow but when you see them shooting faster you can see their finger hitting the front of the trigger bar. I just don’t see it that important to a point. There is too long but most aren’t these days.
Mmm Masada slim?? Better
FN > Masada
@@MiseryDuke69 for the price ??
@@MiseryDuke69 kimber mako ?
@Will Yiba I don't know about price I'm just talking build quality
Yes of course, quality first but do a little research, masada s also has excellent quality 2000 rounds 0 malfunction. for 400 usd
Those types of guns are only made for shooting 10 feet away that's where they are deadly accurate.
Your video contradicts all the reported issues. What appears to be true is clean that sucker before shooting.
Man it seems like people think micros are like full size pistols when it comes to cleaning. The internet and TH-camrs pretty much ruined two excellent pistols in my opinion. The Reflex, and the Smith and Wesson CSX. The CSX is a phenomenal pistol but everyone jumped on the wagon about the trigger. 😂 it’s kind of sad how it’s turned in to a follow the leader thing anymore.
@@livennick9 Considering the Reflex heavily but all the reported issues have made me decline. Have seen two videos tonight where a good cleaning appears to be the answer. That I know how to do.
@@34dawgsgo it’s an excellent pistol. I will say the trigger takes a bit to get used to being a internal hammer fired pistol. But it is such a smooth trigger.
@@livennick9 No concern of the trigger being too light for Carry? Possibly a ND?
@@34dawgsgo it’s not light enough to go off on it’s own because of the length of travel for the trigger but I will say I have been carrying a shield+ and a m&p compact for about 6 months now exclusively and me personally would choose the shield plus over the reflex. But like I say that’s just my opinion.
Nick, get ahold of @ClingerHolsters. They're local to you, and can use your gun to scan a mold and bang out a holster in a day.
Man I’ve tried ordering holsters through them before. They are good quality and only about 5 miles from me. The problem is I’ve asked if I could come pick one up but they say they don’t have a a way for me to do so. So they build it and then with our screwed up mail service around here it gets shipped 75 miles off and then back to me. So the way I see it if I can’t pick one up I doubt it would do me any good. That would be excellent if they could though. Especially since it’s a local shop.
@@livennick9 They're under new ownership. You might send them an email. They might partner with you.
@@Lawfully_Armed I may have to give that a shot. Thank ya for the info.
I'm 45 seconds into this video and I had to pause it bc I already know.
I probably sound stupid but knew what? Lol
@@livennick9I’m guessing that it’s a great gun? 😂 not sure either lol. Great video my man! Subbing for sure
@@jcoxy1057 thank you bud!!!!