I have a seamaster quartz and a co-axial 300. After buying the quartz , i purchased a Steinhart titanium 500 , to me it looked very appealing, but once you are used to omega, you can not settle for anything less. The finishing, from the hands to the clasp to the back..is just stunning. So i sold my new steinhart which i purchased directly from steinhart for a second hand co-axial . Make no mistake , I am just a software developer, age 30. not an investment banker , and i have strict financial limitations..but my idea is that if you are really really into watches and are willing to spend more than 300-400 dollars for a watch, then keep the dream of owning an omega alive. You dont have the same feeling of owning an omega everyday..but there has been days when i felt a great satisfaction sitting alone looking at my wrist, which instantly pulls me out of my miserable life, feeling like a champion. Growing up in india, i looked at one omega outlet once and asked my mother about what the company does as i liked their logo. I remember my mother telling me "thats for rich people, not for us"....20 years later , i am just coming back from Riverdale NJ omega outlet after inquiring about servicing my 'second' seamaster. Like they say it..a watch shows time, a good watch shows good time :) :) Sometimes its your dream, sometimes your social status, sometimes the precision...but its always meant to make you feel good unless you are mortgaging your house to buy it.
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective Kumudini, it was fascinating to read for me! I have a keen interest in watches of course, but above that it's always interesting to hear the stories that people have. Your story reminds me a little of my father's, whose interest in horology is one of the inspirations for this channel - he grew up in a very poor family and never had a watch at all until he earned his first salary. Since then he has become a bit of a collector, and my interest started from there. Thanks for watching - I hope you found it of value!
Well said this is so fucking true and it corresponds with my life as well...I owned a speedmaster sapphire sandwich which I will always remember at this point in my life..I'm early 30s too and didn't came from a rich family and it's all about patience and wanting something so bad because you appreciate the watch as it symbolize some milestone in your life as well and beauty and art of watching the materials come together to make his timepiece which lasts for generations...some people call me mindless and say it's just a watch but they didn't understand the value it capture behind it
Great video. I own a Hydroconquest, and it's a great watch. Tough as old boots, use it for water sports. Criticisms I've heard : Lume - made for easier vision in the day, which suits me. Push pin links, though again doesn't bother me as I never change them. Bezel can be odd to turn, as it has flat bits on it. All in all a fantastic, good looking and very accurate (about 5 secs a day) watch. All for £570 pre owned.
Thanks Peter. The Longines is a very good watch, and I do like the design and feel very much. It goes to show how sharp the competition is at the ~$1000 mark. I hope to get my hands on one for a review here one day!
I like your perspective very much. Subtle mods welcome. I need to do a video on one I Have had for many years. The thing that drew me to Invicta is the solid links. I have several Seiko's that are 40+ years old. None have had solid links except my favorite that I changed the band / bracelet on. I had a gifted fake Roles that was quartz. The movement failed after 2 or 3 years partly because the case was plated brass but the bracelet was solid stainless. After 40+ years, it still holds my Seiko. I will have to dig that out soon and get photos. Thanks for an interesting video!
Really enjoyed the video! One small point I would mention though is that the NH35 Seiko movement is what they sell to other companies to use and effectively is a clone of the 4R36 movement. I would argue that the 4R36 is an upgrade to the 7S26 movement in the SKX.
Thanks Louis - you are spot on regarding the NH35a movement. The 4r35 family (which include the 36 model) is, in my understanding, intended to be a replacement for the older 7s26 line, with added features of hacking and hand winding. I think in the long run it will prove to be just as reliable and dependable, however given that the 7s26 has been around for 20 years with many incident reports of reliable running with no servicing being done, and that in contrast the 4r35 line has only been around for a few years, I have hesitated in considering the latter definitively superior. That's just my take on it... others may feel differently of course. Cheers, Ivan.
Very nicely done. The chart really brings it into focus, with the Oris showing up quite well. Personally, I have a Christopher Ward C60 which I believe also belongs in the Oris territory.
Thank you for that. The new *Christopher Ward C60* is very good looking! All the credentials look great, and ratchet clasp sounds like a bonus. Push pin links are a step behind but it's at a lower price point than the Oris so still forgivable. Love that stamping on the case back, getting to Omega levels there!
I've got 3 of the five - SKX, Seamaster and Submariner. I vote Seamaster for comfort, versatility and looks. I dive only with a Seiko. Wonderful review
Sold my new skx, 009, Pepsi j model , but kept my 2 invictas ,, love them , hacking hand wind , comfy on the wrist and great value, one of them is very very accurate, the other looses around 9 seconds a day , , to be adjusted soon cheers shane uk 🇬🇧
Great video. I have the SKX, SMP and a Breitling Avenger. I've been looking to get my hands on either a Speedy or Sub as my next purchase but your invicta comparison really put some things in perspective. As much as I can appreciate the in house movement, 904 steel, white gold indices etc on the Rolex. Up until the 116610 came out a few years ago, Rolex was still using stamped clasps and hollow links and end links. Makes you think.
Due to this video , I was interested to find out about certified , chronocentric accuracy of fine watches and based on that info , that Invicta could be within certifications if Invicta wished to pay for a license , and also an expensive watch isn’t guaranteed to keep its great time as parts wear, and the most funny part is more or less any 20 dollar , quartz watch should beat the time keeping and be more accurate than your expensive mechanical watch ,,, so they are just fancy words to make a watch more appealing to the buying public , really interesting stuff when you read up ,, cheers for the review Shane uk 🇬🇧
Thanks for that Shane - it is rather interesting isn't it? I would say that the Invicta with Seiko movement, whilst on wrist may perform as if within chronometer range, in actual fact is very unlikely to pass COSC testing if subjected to it... it's an issue with the level of tolerances within the manufacture of the movement AFAIK. And you're right, almost any cheap $5 quartz will outperform an expensive mechanical in terms of sheer accuracy (COSC has different standards for quartz actually). So why mechanical? One analogy that comes to mind is an example of tables... one might be made of high quality hardwood, finished by hand. Another made of plastic, exact same size, surfaces more accurately flat & precise compared with the wood. Will perform the same "functions" e.g. carrying weight. But no doubt the wood table will command a higher premium. In various ways, this mirrors mechanical vs. quartz I think. Cheers! Ivan.
I debated buying the Longines legend diver, but actually found a great deal on Seamaster featured here, except in black. On its way to me now. I appreciate your content on this watch. It helped me decide to go for it
Great video! Great value watches, all of them! If I can give you a little tip: if someone wants to skip to the rolex, you should have it like this "Rolex Submariner Date: 15:50" and not a link that opens a new window.
I love this "vertical" review. I've had an Invicta for about 7 years, and have been very pleased with it. Cultural references aside, I've always wondered what more money would get me from a mechanical perspective. In fact, there's nothing wrong with the Invicta, but because they are accessible, I doubt I'd invest money to repair it. Put another way, You could buy the Rolex and give it to your son. For the same money, you could buy about 100 Invictae, and pass on a new-old-stock diver to each of your descendants for the next two millennia. That being said, I'm giving serious thought to buying both the SKX007 and an Oris. It seems that the Oris requires enough investment to get professional grade materials, but not enough to buy a reputation.
Thanks for that Daniel, some great thoughts and well articulated. The value comparison of Rolex vs Invicta (and that you could but 1 vs 100) is certainly a point of discussion... for what it's worth, I would point out that the Rolex would easily keep value if kept well, and in fact likely increase in value over time in such a case. With the 100 Invicta it is likely they will be worth a small fraction on resale after a few years. As for generations... the Rolex might last a few generations... Invicta, would be lucky to last a single generation. Neither would last over 100 years I reckon...!
ur missing a 500$ watch. Tissot seastar 1000, would be a great choice. Sapphire crystal, Ceramic bezel, 80hour power reserve, 300m water resistant, Swiss movement, Great brand. Hacking and manual wind. Cant ask for anything else for a 500$ watch
Yes indeed, I didn't have one at the time I made this video. Possibly the name that comes up most frequently is Glycine Combat Sub, but the Tissot is a darn good choice too. Cheers :)
Excellent side by side comparison video. I love all models demonstrated, in particular the Oris. Movement aside, to me it really just seemed to be of superior build quality for the most part. Especially when compared to the Rolex. With the Rolex the bracelet seemed to be very rattly, which for a price point of $8,000 would really turn me off. The Omega was quite nice too, for me though, my personal preference was the Oris. Great job
Nobody should really care in that sense. People should always pick what they like the most. But there are more things than "paying for the name" at play here. The two most important factors are overall aesthetics and resale value.
Oh, I wasn't listing what I personally think are the most important factors. I merely pointed out that it is far more complex than "being too old to care about paying for the name". In the end, people will always rationalise their own decisions in order to avoid dissonance, and that is absolutely fine.
Great choice! Actually, amount Swiss like me, the Oris is the insider choice as they have an in-house movement and not ETA like too many of the others. They are very, very long lived with a 10-15 service life. So its the watch you marry so to say!
Great video, i just bought a ceramic SMP for my graduation gift and am already thinking about my next future piece. From your experience, do you think Rolex's are worth the money considering the price gap as you have mentioned. I do like Rolex but not sure if I can ever justify the price considering what my SMP already offers and an Omega Aqua Terra (older one with the metal datebox) could offer. This is coming from someone who has never handled a Rolex.
Thanks for your comment Lee - I think you ask a great question but it's also one that is endlessly debated in many forums, and I think also impossible to give a definitive answer. I think there is no question that Rolex is special and stands out on its own, so what you will be paying for are a lot of intangibles that go with the name. Don't forget also that Rolex hold value better than almost any other brand, and people have said it's like currency in an emergency... Rolex is recognized and valued all over the world. Omega is going from strength to strength but is not Rolex. So... if those features of the Rolex brand are important to you, then in a way it's "worth the money"... but if it's coming down to the objective things you can see and feel, you could argue it's not worth the extra dosh.
very nice review! for me what's missing is the omega--should have acquired in the late sixties, early seventies when i got my rolexes. too much money to let go of now--might try an alpha homage watch, but they seem a little underdone right now but they do seem very cool!
That's the tthing, very difficult choice at this price range, go for inhouse like seiko? go for "swiss" like hamilton? go for homages like steinhart? There's various ways you can go at that price point.
I think it’s really better all around... the external bits are marginal, but the movement is definitely considerably better. I did a head to head for these two watches so do check it out :)
The older Rolex subs (mine 2006, is the two tone Blue face) is much nicer than the newer ones in my opinion only. I chose between three different ones and the blue faces were all a bit different with their own personality. Mine is a bit more violet. The new ones are all EXACTLY the same and look bland.. to me anyway. I might but a deep sea dweller but would not buy a new two tone blue face. Great video my friend! cheers.
Maybe have the citizen pro master in the 200 dollar mark so you can have a seiko srp 641k1 in the 500 dollar mark since it really is a big jump from the SKX to the Oris
Thanks for the feedback Harvard... it's true that there is a big jump to the Oris, and there is a gap asking to be filled. A Promaster is a great suggestion for the $200 mark, and as you noted a higher end Seiko would step into the gap nicely. Great thought - other viewers have definitely picked up on this gap too, but your suggestion is one of the best ones so far! Cheers, Ivan.
Hi mate do u have some recommendation regarding diver watch priced less than 500 $ usd for daily use? Im not a pro watch enthusiast so a pro tip would help me a lot. Great video btw
Oh what an enviable position shopping for a diver with $500! You have a huge range to choose from but some of my top ideas would be: Seiko Turtle models - classic good looking original design, solid movement, but larger watch Seiko Sumo - this may be over $500 but if you can sneak in on discount under $500 it would be a bargain. Large watch Steinhart - take a look at their dive range, I particularly like the Ocean Vintage Military Glycine Combat Sub - needs no intro this one!
Perth WAtch ive been doing some research about the steinhart, and i really into their design and quality. However some people called it “homage” watches and some say its a ripoff. Do u think it would be a problem if i buy an ocean steinhart and used it daily? I dont even know what is a homage... but i would not prefer if i met friends who really understand watches and they say negative things about my watch
"Homage" is an action of paying tribute to something... Steinhart is considered homage by most, and I think those who say it's a ripoff or knockoff miss the mark. There is nothing wrong with an homage, but people may criticise it as having lack of originality. I think the main thing is that you like and enjoy the watch... as long as it's not a blatant knock off, it doesn't matter what others think.
Great informative video. I've had the opportunity to have a Sub C and SMP side by side at a local AD and I have to say I much prefer the SMP, especially on wrist. I think most people regard Rolex as a step up from Omega, but for me Omega makes better looking watches.
Thanks dude - you can probably tell I am a little biased toward the SMP as well, although all respect to Rolex, they definitely hold value better overall. But personally I too prefer the SMP styling :)
How nice to hear another Australian voice producing watch videos. Disappointed however that unlike your separate review you failed to point out that the NH35a in the Invicta hacks and winds whereas the movement in the SKX doesn't. The Invicta also has applied indices and lume pip on front of the second hand rather on the rear (which can be confusing) as on the SKX. I own the 9094OB (coin edge version) and frankly hate the negativity shown towards Invictas. Certainly they have their faults ... lume especially, as you pointed out. I also agree the gap is too wide between the SKX and the Oris. Apart from those already mentioned this is an area predominately filled by the micro-brands often using interesting case materials such as brass and bronze. Have subscribed and look forward to your future productions.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment Brian - you are totally spot on regarding the Invicta movement. You know I had all these in mind when thinking of this video but somehow when it came to scripting I had left it out! Regarding the applied markers, I had tried to find out whether they are hand applied, which would be a plus for the Invicta, but couldn't confirm this. Still, it's a fair point in that the markers are not just flat printed. I agree regarding the mostly unfair negativity shown towards the brand - I think they do very fair work for the prices asked.
Understood Rob. How Invicta choose to market and price their product is up to them however. Apparently they are quite successful having recently acquired the Glycine brand. I suppose the Invicta 'haters' will view that as trying to buy integrity. :-)
Rob Johnson I understand and agree with that overall point, however, they make so much $ on the cheaper, falsely priced items that appeal to the fashion watch crowd. That is what contributed to their overall financial success- not playing to the horological community as we would prefer. It does make the brand identity quite confusing, and finding their quality watches more of a chore than a pleasure.
Great video. Very informative and useful, but keep in my mind that Invicta does make way higher quality watches than the Rolex knockoff people like to note then for. The Russian Diver Nautilus pieces as well as their SubAqua Noma IV.
Fair thought... I guess some of this is relative. I personally would have no qualms diving with the Oris, it's a watch that's built in tough fashion and, to me, not overtly expensive. To others $8000 for a Rolex might be pocket change, whereas to another person $200 would be a full week's wages or even more...
The Rolex submariner is a beautiful watch. I like in particular the angular thick[ish] lugs, which are immediately recognisable.. However, is it really worth in excess of £9,000?.. I very much doubt it.. However, value, of course, is entirely subjective, and my personal opinion on the matter is absolutely inconsequential 😁 haha.
Thanks for those thoughts! A steel Sub is available for about US$8k presently. I think many find it hard to splurging that much on a watch... but one thing about Rolex (and only a couple of other brands) is that it holds value, and in fact a good condition Sub that goes out of production is likely to appreciate in value. So in a way it's actually reasonably considered an investment unlike many other brands. Cheers, Ivan.
You might well be right about that... some other sources I have seen suggests that there are different bracelet styles that Seiko have distributed with this piece...
Perth WAtch you know after I posted the comment I did think about that. Do you have a very old SKX? Perhaps the bracelet long ago was different. The one I have is about 3 yrs old. Still not a strapcode quality bracelet but very fair and very comfortable.
Mines not an old one, similar age to yours but I think it may be related to region of distribution. The bracelet I put on it is from that very old (20 years) Seiko kinetic, and that interestingly has more solid links!
Great Video however you miss the $500 to $1000 range and I would recommend The Certina DS Action Diver at $500 to $600 and then perhaps a few of the lower end Squale.
Thanks Mike - you make an absolutely valid point. Check out comment by *OnlineBackupServices* earlier and the several replies, all with good alternative suggestions for the intermediate price point! I think the Certina is another very suitable candidate for this gap.
Omega is a great watch. Far as the Invicta goes, stay away if possible. If not, never pay more than around a hundred bucks for one. I do have three, two grand divers and one diver. All with Japanese movements. Nothing to brag about, but the watches are OK for the prices I paid. Considering they're all Chinese made, accept the movements.
Tom Jones USA why you hating on the invicta. For the price under 100 bucks with tax. Fucken watch is amazing. UNDER 100 bucks. It kicks ass. Is not a Rolex or omega. Can’t even compare. But for those that can’t effort it. Great watch.
This was a really good, considered video. Subscribing now. Are you familiar with the Grand Diver from Invicta? I just did a video on one which is essentially the same Pro Diver that you have here, but with solid end links, a proper machined clasp, and other build quality improvements. The downside is that it's much bigger and heavier, but you might want to get hold of one. It would make a good addition to a lineup like this for a future video. Well done!
Thank you for your thoughtful comment... yes there are definitely some Grand Divers in my family's possession, thanks for the insight on these, I will definitely be getting a hold of them to take a closer look myself!
Just want to add that the movement in the invicta comes from a higher end Seiko movement 24 Stones and Hackable which is much superiour than the 7s26 found in the SKX.That is probably the best feature of the Loved or Hated invicta.PS i have the one from the video plus the Black dial one both with same bezel and Yellow Grand Diver -love them all as much as my Low end Seiko 5 .Nice video BTW.
Should check out Amfibias.They should make the list just because.They are brilliant but Underlumed and less known around Omegas and Rolexes.But well known amongst watch Ultras.
Wristwatch Reflections I have this Invicta 9094 it has a seiko nh35a movement which is the Seiko 4r36a movement it has hacking and manual winding ... got it for 70 USD on Amazon ... color me smart
Thanks for the comment Rick, and for the insight - I wasn't aware before that NH35a is basically the third party designation for the Seiko 4R36 movement. I have learnt something new, cheers!
A Very Very Informative Review ... I am NEW to watch collecting so my views are Naive, Simple & even Immature to the Professionals below who are Experts and have learned a lot about watch Craftsmanship, Quality, Value like your many subscribers commenting on this video, but from the perspective of a Beginner who has a very good salary & drives a Cadillac ... I can see buying ONE holy grail watch over $ 1,000 dollars as a Nice to Have Fun item (sort of like having ONE special Girl, or ONE special Car, or ONE special Timepiece) ... BUT the prices you quote above for the Oris, Omega & Rolex are absolutely SHOCKing, enough to give a Beginner a Heart Attack ... and I'm not talking about a Businessman Investor Collector who buys & sells for profit (that to me is a different matter altogether ... or the Horologist who does reviews, of course ! ) but if you are a normal hard working person, to spend that kind of hard earned cash for a Collection of Shockingly "Overpriced" Brands that impress No One but yourself, seems Heart Stopping to me ! For example, one commentator below says a Seiko is "Rubbish of poor quality" and yet I wear a Seiko everyday for work ... a Turtle, a Monster, a Yeti or GMT Kinetic all for under $400 and I am in Hog Heaven as to me they are Great and yes, I'll get that ONE special girl, I mean Grail watch for over $ 1,000 which will impress no one but ME, as trust me, girls & people could care less what's on your wrist, only YOU know its true value to you ... Thanks to your informative detailed review I know I'm in the right place for Me regards Satisfaction and in the right price range for Value !! Keep Up The Excellent Work, Major Jim, USMC
Thanks for your thoughts Jim - I think you bring a fresh and valid perspective to this. You may consider yourself a "beginner" but that doesn't make your well thought out views any less valid than someone else's IMO. The world of watches is in large part a world of luxury, and that in reality means excess and gratuity in some cases. At the same time perspective can also be very relative... I think $4k truly is a large amount to spend on a watch and *must* be considered luxury. For me this may be a handful of times a life thing, for the next person it may be once or never, for the next perhaps once every couple of years (I mean not just watches, could be any other jewelry or luxury). Pull it out even further, for some this is chump change, and an example of serious watch is this: www.swissluxury.com/richard-mille-watches-rm-002.htm (I'm assuming you're comment about myocardial infarction is hyperbole, if it isn't, please don't click! :D) If after that you're game for more of a zoom out, search out "Patek Sky Moon Tourbillon" - this holds the current record for list price for a brand new watch (i.e. fresh out of factory, no history or celebrity owner, etc).
HOLY SMOKES A MILLION DOLLAR WATCH !!! I Just Died & Went to Heaven ! ... And to think, that may only be "Chump Change" for someone Truly Takes My Breath Away (I hear Putin has a pricey collection) ... Your comment, "The world of watches is in large part a world of Luxury and that in reality means Excess" shows a lot of Wisdom acquired from many years of Horological study and has been a tremendous Eye-Opener for me, somewhat like getting a Watch College Education all in one breath and helps me Understand what I never realized before, whereas in my world in America watches are principally purchased by the majority of the people to tell time & usually for never more than $ 500 (as proof look at the high sales of Seikos & Fossils & Invictas )... now I also understand there is a Larger World of the Luxury Timepiece Industry Where Price Knows No Limit and just as financially Lucrative or even more so than the lower priced volume sales business ... and Thanks to your keen knowledge of Horology I've also learned a second insight, that an Expensive watch "Means Different Things To Different People," so while Expensive is $ 500 to most people I know in the USA, $ 1,000 to me is pushing my limit, $ 4,000 is pricey to You, a Denmark reviewer said a $ 4,800 watch is spending a Fortune in Denmark, and finally back to the non Luxury volume world of $ 100 watches that are priced high for my wife & her friends. Thanks for the Great Horological Insights and the Class (My Brain Hurts from all this Knowledge), Major Jim, USMC
Would you chose a Rolex over an Omega if price is a consideration ? Well the answer has to be no. However, the big picture, a Rolex is an investment and has been for many years. I have three and all have increased in value ( I look after them & wear lesser watches daily) I would struggle to name any other mainstream watch that will genuinely increase in value.
Thanks for the comment... I'd have to agree with you about the notion that Rolex is the only mainstream brand that has investment potential. There might be some pieces here and there in other brands, but it's more touch and go... With Rolex it's quite consistent. I once heard that there are really only 2 brands with this characteristic, the other being Patek (which is certainly not mainstream). Cheers, Ivan.
Haha, I was told 3 , Rolex, Patek and Audemars Piquet (if that is the correct spelling) and MUST be mechanical movement. I am lucky as I have a Pepsi GMT Master 2 1999 model and they are being advertised at silly money(note I did not say selling ! )
Very interesting concept... it seems like they do charge quite a bit for the customisation service. The CG images look a bit raw, you'd hope for a bit of refinement on the finish at over €1000. The lingerie model at the homepage cracked me up!
Hello, man. What do you think of the Reichenbach brand? Please share what you know about this topic. I want to buy this model RB302-112 - Cassel.Everybody says that this brand is made in China. Thanks in advance.
Hi there, I have not heard of that brand myself and would be very cautious paying the asking prices for it, seems like some of their models list for close to GBP1000 (??) but then get discounted heavily. There are some comments around saying that it's stated Made in Germany but photos I see don't have that on the watch face or back, so it's most likely Chinese made. That in itself does not mean it's bad, but there is very little objective info I can find on this, so I would stay away until I can find out more, and/or get one in hand to actually feel the product myself. If you are interested in a model like the one you listed, why not consider something like an Ingersoll Cimarron? I will post a review on this soon, so keep a look out :)
Thanks for that thought! I think it would indeed be quite interesting to take a look at modern dive computers, however to be honest I wouldn't know where to start in comparing with automatic dive watches. Perhaps something like the G-Shock Frogman would be a comparison I could manage... The current version even has a depth meter! Cheers, Ivan.
Enjoyed your video! Wow! $8-9,000 for a watch. I wonder what my father or grandfather would think. I'm so impressed with the Invicta brand with big flashy builds for a $hundred or so. Love the 50-53mm builds, flashy and heavy. I get comments every day on any of the 32 that I own and have a few dollars left for a good steak dinner or a new car. If you really have it, does it matter, I think not but for most Americans, they are so much better off with something to flash and just toss/give away when it's tattered or worn. I have 2 arms but I just cant keep my watches from banging into everything.
Thanks for that Gene, and for the insightful comment. I think there is a lot to be said for Invicta... They seem to attract some negativity but they definitely give some great value for money in their pieces, especially around the $80-120 mark! The world of watches can be a crazy place, and these pale in comparison to 6 (and even 7!) figure pieces!
I'm not into diving watches, but damn, that Omega is handsome. Rolex may be a better 'investment', but Omega makes some real stunners. It makes especially this Rolex look a little cheap.
Very close in acquisition price based on a quick search, although RW seem to have higher MSRP. Essentially identical in specs as far as I can see - I think Oris is more unique in its design, less generic, but RW has my full respect as another independent company. You could easily choose either and be happy. Oris is probably better as a pure tool diver, the RW seems more handsome.
nice review even though I am disappointed that you selected omega below Rolex. I think they are even as far as quality and have better brand prestige. And man get a camera.
Thanks for comment - all feedback is appreciated! I think Omega quality is excellent yes, but they still fall below Rolex in several respects - Rolex is the biggest popular name in watches, and are a vertically integrated manufacture where Omega isn't. This was my second video ever... I've since learnt to much better work with the limitations of my camera ;)
Loved your videos.. And iam hoping you are from Perth.. I was thinking of getting a sugess submariner or a sugess date just but my brother is like why do you want to buy a Chinese watch from Ali express. Can one order in Ali express to Perth or are the customs too high Whovh brand do you think makes the best quality.. San Martin is a little too expensive which is why I thought of sugess and cronos which give same quality. Pagani design is very cheap although good.. Btw i have even read comments that these watches quality are better than seiko 5 and some one even said they are good as a specific models Tudor..
I think Pagani is better than Sugess from what I’ve seen, and they keep improving. It’s fine to order from AliExpress and get sent to Perth - the 10% GST is charged on the sellers side, you don’t get any additional charges.
Thanks for the reply... I really wanna see how good these homage watches are.. The only thing iam worried about is that some people might scoff that is a cheap copy even though it isn't Also do you think these homage watches are better than some seikos in quality.. Iv read some comments saying the same @@PerthWAtch
They are in fact cheap(er) and they are a copy - that’s true. But I wouldn’t worry about what people think - why does that matter? Seiko watches are reliable, wholly original in design, and do what they are supposed to… but they are not of high quality.
why is the rolex clasp not two tone too, on this model the gold is centred throughout the entire bracelet clasp and diver extension - fake or replacement?
In my understanding the older models (this one is from late 1980's) did not have gold on the clasp... Rolex only started implementing gold there in early 2000's. But please let me know if you find info that suggests otherwise. Cheers, Ivan.
I haven't heard anything bad about them but to be honest I'm not familiar with the brand. I can recommend checking some of the forums like WUS for feedback if you're specifically interest in it.
Please review the Steinhart Ocean 44 GMT. You'll be amazed at it's quality. I just received mine for $500. It's not perfect, no watch is... but it punches WAY above its price tag.
Thank you for your comment and suggestion. The Steinhart Ocean 1 design looks very much like a Submariner homage at first inspections... I will endeavor to take a closer look :)
Look at the Steinhart Ocean 44 GMT. Steinhart started out making homages... but is beginning to make its own designs. The homages were their attempt to start making profit and capital to expand to original designs.
You're right, the Ocean 44 GMT does start to move into it's own style, although I think it still obviously homages the Rolex GMT Master... the Ocean 2's and the Ocean Vintages, now those really start to become different. I'm liking the models I am seeing!
Mer kava - I assume you mean "better", and perhaps you refer to the hacking and the greater jewel count... the former I would grant, but greater jewel count is not equivalent to "better". Consider also that the 7s26 has a proven history with many instances of it lasting >15 years without servicing, whilst the NH35a was introduced only a few years ago... I would be hesitant to consider it a definitively superior movement.
Thanks for sharing your view. How would you say the Oris is better? Sellita SW-200 is undeniably inferior to the ETA 2892. The Omega is also a chronometer and has the coaxial escapement, and bracelet that is significantly harder to make. What does the Oris have that is superior?
Judging from the accent, I'm guessing you're from Australia? I'm not sure if you guys get a different bracelet or what but my recently purchased SKX009K2 came with a nice jubilee with solid links (not end links of course), as did the jubilee I bought from Seiko USA for my vintage 7002.
You're spot on - Perth, Australia! This was actually purchased from a dealer in Singapore, from all I can tell with close inspection it's completely legit, with cards and all also. I think there seems to be variation in the way these bracelets are produced, as that 1980's Kinetic I took the bracelet from actually had more solid style links.
I guess if I had looked at your username, I would've answered my own question lol Yeah, I can tell your SKX is legit and I think you're right about the bracelet, I see no other explanation. Great videos.
The recent micro brand and small manufacturers quality divers for the $$$... Instead of invicta, start out with the Phoibus 300m "Great White". For $169 you get a diver that shares many components with Steinhart Ocean One. Keep the SKX next in line! Awesome watches. The Seiko Tuna. Next let's ditch the Oris and go with the Seiko Marine Master. After that there is the Omega Sea Master. I do not disagree with this choice. This is where it ends as Rolex charges ridiculous stupid price for their watches. Really... $8000.00 for a diver that's not really that great. There are micro-brands that kick it's ass for $3000.00. For the average Joe the SKX will go anywhere and back.
Thanks for your very thoughtful comments! The "Great White" looks like a very good value proposition - I see it is relatively new so in fact was not available when this video was made. I will contact Phoibos to offer to review this piece, hope they will be interested! I think the Seiko Tuna or Monster or Turtle are all great pieces, and Seiko overall is an absolute top brand, but I also thought it best to feature at most one from a brand, or it starts to look biased. The Marine Master watches are truly awesome pieces, but at around $2000+, it's simply something I didn't have access to (and still don't!) - if only someone can lend me one... Rolex is overpriced, I'd be the first to agree with that, but I guess the intention here was to try to show what you're getting for the price level. Seiko gives anyone a serious run for money, especially in the value department, but there is still that intangible X-factor with certain companies...
Thanks for you comment Henry. True... I could select a different set of watches and Oris would be top tier. Or bottom feeder. I think you need to define performance... in the case of value retention, there is no question that the Rolex kicks the stuffing out of almost anything... including anything here ;) Cheers, Ivan.
I'm surprised Oris is your midtiered watch. I would've went with the Sinn or Damaskos solely because they're different in steel (cold steel and 304L) and both have high anti-magnetism which you'll see only in omega's coaxial and Rolex maugauss (which is ugly) watches. All this for an astonishing $1300, which is cheaper than oris even in the grey market.
Hi there, thank you for your thoughtful comments! I think Sinn makes some very interesting watches and I do hope to be able to review some of these in the future. I agree that Sinn makes for a very fair contender against Oris. I am learning more about watches all the time, and the more I learn the more I realize I don't know! Cheers, Ivan.
Hi, thanks for the comment! You're absolutely right in that the Seiko is the only watch here that had been put through ISO 6425 standards. However most commentators would suggest that the higher end Swiss pieces here would almost certainly meet standards if they were put to the test. Rolex for one have never bothered with ISO testing but have a very long track record of performance under various tough conditions. Cheers, Ivan.
Thanks Xiang Fan, I do fancy the Marinemasters actually, although in this selection there probably a wider gap between the SKX007 and the Oris - see some of the earlier comments for some good discussion on what could fill this!
Thanks for that... I agree, the Combat Sub would be a good bridge. I chose a Steinhart instead when doing a closer comparison at the entry level - check it out here: th-cam.com/video/xtSAHku9pZE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for that, glad you enjoyed it! You're right, it's "deployant"... I had that down first but Chrome and Word kept telling me it's a spelling mistake and psyched me into settling for "deployment". Should've known not to trust those guys! :)
Yeah good point, also been raised by many others. If I had to redo this I would put another watch in there at about the $600 mark, although probably would avoid having 2 of same brand. Glycine would fit the bill nicely.
@@PerthWAtch I understand , sorry about that. Be assured that the Pro Master will reach your expectations. Precision timer and a joy to use. Thank you so much. Beautiful collection you reviewed.
@@PerthWAtch it's too bad branding and price point can influence our judgment. Don't get me wrong, the rest are all beautiful watches.. but seiko imo is the only one with its own unique design
Thanks for that - I think the Hydroconquest is a great watch and could well feature in a lineup like this, perhaps in place of the Oris. Between Oris and Longines however I'd definitely go Oris.
You're right... the style is quite different and Oris is certainly the thicker. There are a number of reasons why I would pick the Oris, namely: It's one of the best tool watches (one of the best lume applications, solid design, fantastic bezel), more original design compared to Hydroconquest which is slightly more generic, it feels overall better in hand (I have also held the Longines) and they are independent of the large watch groups.
Thanks for the feedback Pyle. Yeah, I chalk that up to amateur skills, seriously that was my second ever upload. I think I've since learnt how to better work around the limitations of my camera ;)
Every time I watch a video about the different levels/tiers of watches it plateaus at Rolex... I don't get it. After Rolex you've bot Bloncpain, then AP, then A. Lange, then Patek, etc. How is it that the "5 tiers" of watches all fall in the range of$100-$10,000? If a Patek Nautilus costs $50,000....what tier is that?
Thanks for the feedback Jason. Curious that you have found that it plateaus with Rolex every time! I can't speak for what others have done but for myself, I simply do not have access to an AP, or Lange, or Blancpain etc. Would love to feature those in comparisons when/if I ever get my hands on one! I don't think there is an answer for what tier is a $50k Patek Nautilus - the "tiers" are arbitrary to start with. Cheers, Ivan.
To correct this guy, there is a significant difference between 316L and 904L steel including a big difference is price too. 904L has a much higher, deeper luster than the 316, not just more corrosion resistance, visibly more aesthetically pleasing to look at
Sounds like you've taken to the marketing hook, line, and sinker ;) Don't let them fool you mate... it's still made of iron, nickel, chromium, along with smaller proportions of other elements... these do not justify the cost premium of Rolex.
@@PerthWAtch Not debating the cost of these silly watches cos in my opinion, no watch in the world should cost thousands, its just a wrist worn time piece and nothing more. But, contrary to what you may believe, the difference isn't just skin deep with the metal, it is significantly higher in cost to manufacture in the first place BUT, totally unnecessary as 316L is just fine (grand seiko's come to mind). My original bond seamaster is now 20 yrs old and still looks as good as new and that is 316 steel
Thanks metatech - you're spot on about that, although I'm pretty sure that wasn't available at the time I made this video. Nonetheless, pretty amazing value for $99!
It was set at $5300 back when it first came because the exchange rate was much better at the time... that's how it seems that local MSRP are determined. Since then our dollar has suffered quite a bit in comparison, hence it looks like this is relatively cheap now.
Not weird at all I think... the Aquis has many devoted followers and proponents, and is definitely an excellent dive watch. Many would argue (with good justification) that it's functionally the best dive watch of the bunch!
I have a seamaster quartz and a co-axial 300. After buying the quartz , i purchased a Steinhart titanium 500 , to me it looked very appealing, but once you are used to omega, you can not settle for anything less. The finishing, from the hands to the clasp to the back..is just stunning. So i sold my new steinhart which i purchased directly from steinhart for a second hand co-axial .
Make no mistake , I am just a software developer, age 30. not an investment banker , and i have strict financial limitations..but my idea is that if you are really really into watches and are willing to spend more than 300-400 dollars for a watch, then keep the dream of owning an omega alive. You dont have the same feeling of owning an omega everyday..but there has been days when i felt a great satisfaction sitting alone looking at my wrist, which instantly pulls me out of my miserable life, feeling like a champion. Growing up in india, i looked at one omega outlet once and asked my mother about what the company does as i liked their logo. I remember my mother telling me "thats for rich people, not for us"....20 years later , i am just coming back from Riverdale NJ omega outlet after inquiring about servicing my 'second' seamaster.
Like they say it..a watch shows time, a good watch shows good time :) :) Sometimes its your dream, sometimes your social status, sometimes the precision...but its always meant to make you feel good unless you are mortgaging your house to buy it.
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective Kumudini, it was fascinating to read for me! I have a keen interest in watches of course, but above that it's always interesting to hear the stories that people have. Your story reminds me a little of my father's, whose interest in horology is one of the inspirations for this channel - he grew up in a very poor family and never had a watch at all until he earned his first salary. Since then he has become a bit of a collector, and my interest started from there. Thanks for watching - I hope you found it of value!
Well said, can't wait to be able to buy myself a seamaster someday.
Well said this is so fucking true and it corresponds with my life as well...I owned a speedmaster sapphire sandwich which I will always remember at this point in my life..I'm early 30s too and didn't came from a rich family and it's all about patience and wanting something so bad because you appreciate the watch as it symbolize some milestone in your life as well and beauty and art of watching the materials come together to make his timepiece which lasts for generations...some people call me mindless and say it's just a watch but they didn't understand the value it capture behind it
Thanks for synchronizing the seconds hands. It's the little things...
An excellent comparison video. The table in the end was very informative. Keep up the good work!
Thanks mate - glad you found it informative!
Great video. I own a Hydroconquest, and it's a great watch. Tough as old boots, use it for water sports. Criticisms I've heard : Lume - made for easier vision in the day, which suits me. Push pin links, though again doesn't bother me as I never change them. Bezel can be odd to turn, as it has flat bits on it. All in all a fantastic, good looking and very accurate (about 5 secs a day) watch. All for £570 pre owned.
Thanks Peter. The Longines is a very good watch, and I do like the design and feel very much. It goes to show how sharp the competition is at the ~$1000 mark. I hope to get my hands on one for a review here one day!
I like your perspective very much. Subtle mods welcome. I need to do a video on one I Have had for many years. The thing that drew me to Invicta is the solid links. I have several Seiko's that are 40+ years old. None have had solid links except my favorite that I changed the band / bracelet on. I had a gifted fake Roles that was quartz. The movement failed after 2 or 3 years partly because the case was plated brass but the bracelet was solid stainless. After 40+ years, it still holds my Seiko. I will have to dig that out soon and get photos. Thanks for an interesting video!
Thank you for that feedback... I am glad you found this interesting, and thank you also for sharing your own watch experiences there! Cheers, Ivan.
The only tiers I see are the one in my eyes from these beautiful pieces. They are all so great., Thank you.
Haha thanks for your kind words, glad you enjoyed the video!
Really enjoyed the video! One small point I would mention though is that the NH35 Seiko movement is what they sell to other companies to use and effectively is a clone of the 4R36 movement. I would argue that the 4R36 is an upgrade to the 7S26 movement in the SKX.
Thanks Louis - you are spot on regarding the NH35a movement. The 4r35 family (which include the 36 model) is, in my understanding, intended to be a replacement for the older 7s26 line, with added features of hacking and hand winding. I think in the long run it will prove to be just as reliable and dependable, however given that the 7s26 has been around for 20 years with many incident reports of reliable running with no servicing being done, and that in contrast the 4r35 line has only been around for a few years, I have hesitated in considering the latter definitively superior. That's just my take on it... others may feel differently of course. Cheers, Ivan.
Very nicely done. The chart really brings it into focus, with the Oris showing up quite well. Personally, I have a Christopher Ward C60 which I believe also belongs in the Oris territory.
Thank you for that. The new *Christopher Ward C60* is very good looking! All the credentials look great, and ratchet clasp sounds like a bonus. Push pin links are a step behind but it's at a lower price point than the Oris so still forgivable. Love that stamping on the case back, getting to Omega levels there!
I've got 3 of the five - SKX, Seamaster and Submariner. I vote Seamaster for comfort, versatility and looks. I dive only with a Seiko.
Wonderful review
Thanks for the thoughts - wow this video is from such a long time ago!
Sold my new skx, 009, Pepsi j model , but kept my 2 invictas ,, love them , hacking hand wind , comfy on the wrist and great value, one of them is very very accurate, the other looses around 9 seconds a day , , to be adjusted soon cheers shane uk 🇬🇧
Thanks again Shane - glad to hear you continue to enjoy those Invicta pieces :)
I love the video my friend! The most complete comparison on TH-cam. Unbiased opinions. Keep up the goodwork!!!
Thanks for the very kind feedback Kurt - I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
Great video. I have the SKX, SMP and a Breitling Avenger. I've been looking to get my hands on either a Speedy or Sub as my next purchase but your invicta comparison really put some things in perspective. As much as I can appreciate the in house movement, 904 steel, white gold indices etc on the Rolex. Up until the 116610 came out a few years ago, Rolex was still using stamped clasps and hollow links and end links. Makes you think.
Thanks for the feedback and thoughtful comments An!
Due to this video , I was interested to find out about certified , chronocentric accuracy of fine watches and based on that info , that Invicta could be within certifications if Invicta wished to pay for a license , and also an expensive watch isn’t guaranteed to keep its great time as parts wear, and the most funny part is more or less any 20 dollar , quartz watch should beat the time keeping and be more accurate than your expensive mechanical watch ,,, so they are just fancy words to make a watch more appealing to the buying public , really interesting stuff when you read up ,, cheers for the review Shane uk 🇬🇧
Thanks for that Shane - it is rather interesting isn't it?
I would say that the Invicta with Seiko movement, whilst on wrist may perform as if within chronometer range, in actual fact is very unlikely to pass COSC testing if subjected to it... it's an issue with the level of tolerances within the manufacture of the movement AFAIK.
And you're right, almost any cheap $5 quartz will outperform an expensive mechanical in terms of sheer accuracy (COSC has different standards for quartz actually). So why mechanical? One analogy that comes to mind is an example of tables... one might be made of high quality hardwood, finished by hand. Another made of plastic, exact same size, surfaces more accurately flat & precise compared with the wood. Will perform the same "functions" e.g. carrying weight. But no doubt the wood table will command a higher premium. In various ways, this mirrors mechanical vs. quartz I think.
Cheers! Ivan.
I debated buying the Longines legend diver, but actually found a great deal on Seamaster featured here, except in black. On its way to me now. I appreciate your content on this watch. It helped me decide to go for it
Thanks for that, that's great to hear! I'm glad you found this helpful :)
Great video! Great value watches, all of them!
If I can give you a little tip: if someone wants to skip to the rolex, you should have it like this "Rolex Submariner Date: 15:50" and not a link that opens a new window.
Thanks for that. *Fantastic* tip too, which I didn't know about - I have implemented this now. Cheers, Ivan.
I love this "vertical" review. I've had an Invicta for about 7 years, and have been very pleased with it. Cultural references aside, I've always wondered what more money would get me from a mechanical perspective. In fact, there's nothing wrong with the Invicta, but because they are accessible, I doubt I'd invest money to repair it.
Put another way, You could buy the Rolex and give it to your son. For the same money, you could buy about 100 Invictae, and pass on a new-old-stock diver to each of your descendants for the next two millennia.
That being said, I'm giving serious thought to buying both the SKX007 and an Oris. It seems that the Oris requires enough investment to get professional grade materials, but not enough to buy a reputation.
Thanks for that Daniel, some great thoughts and well articulated. The value comparison of Rolex vs Invicta (and that you could but 1 vs 100) is certainly a point of discussion... for what it's worth, I would point out that the Rolex would easily keep value if kept well, and in fact likely increase in value over time in such a case. With the 100 Invicta it is likely they will be worth a small fraction on resale after a few years. As for generations... the Rolex might last a few generations... Invicta, would be lucky to last a single generation. Neither would last over 100 years I reckon...!
Nice video! I loved the objective comparison across the tiers. Reminds me of Jonny Casual's tier system.
Great job 👍
Thanks for the kind feedback! :)
ur missing a 500$ watch. Tissot seastar 1000, would be a great choice. Sapphire crystal, Ceramic bezel, 80hour power reserve, 300m water resistant, Swiss movement, Great brand. Hacking and manual wind. Cant ask for anything else for a 500$ watch
Yes indeed, I didn't have one at the time I made this video. Possibly the name that comes up most frequently is Glycine Combat Sub, but the Tissot is a darn good choice too. Cheers :)
Writing the comment at the begging of the video - very good subject, such comparison is really practical.
Thanks Sven - glad you found the video helpful! Cheers, Ivan.
Excellent side by side comparison video. I love all models demonstrated, in particular the Oris. Movement aside, to me it really just seemed to be of superior build quality for the most part. Especially when compared to the Rolex. With the Rolex the bracelet seemed to be very rattly, which for a price point of $8,000 would really turn me off. The Omega was quite nice too, for me though, my personal preference was the Oris. Great job
Thanks for that - the Rolex I had here is a 30 year old vintage. The bracelet was superseded in design about 15 years ago I think.
Too old to care about paying for the name on the dial these days...
I'll take the Oris.
Moi aussi!
Nobody should really care in that sense. People should always pick what they like the most. But there are more things than "paying for the name" at play here.
The two most important factors are overall aesthetics and resale value.
My 3 most important factors would be aesthetics, comfort, and function :)
Oh, I wasn't listing what I personally think are the most important factors. I merely pointed out that it is far more complex than "being too old to care about paying for the name".
In the end, people will always rationalise their own decisions in order to avoid dissonance, and that is absolutely fine.
Great choice! Actually, amount Swiss like me, the Oris is the insider choice as they have an in-house movement and not ETA like too many of the others. They are very, very long lived with a 10-15 service life. So its the watch you marry so to say!
Great video, i just bought a ceramic SMP for my graduation gift and am already thinking about my next future piece. From your experience, do you think Rolex's are worth the money considering the price gap as you have mentioned. I do like Rolex but not sure if I can ever justify the price considering what my SMP already offers and an Omega Aqua Terra (older one with the metal datebox) could offer. This is coming from someone who has never handled a Rolex.
Thanks for your comment Lee - I think you ask a great question but it's also one that is endlessly debated in many forums, and I think also impossible to give a definitive answer. I think there is no question that Rolex is special and stands out on its own, so what you will be paying for are a lot of intangibles that go with the name. Don't forget also that Rolex hold value better than almost any other brand, and people have said it's like currency in an emergency... Rolex is recognized and valued all over the world. Omega is going from strength to strength but is not Rolex.
So... if those features of the Rolex brand are important to you, then in a way it's "worth the money"... but if it's coming down to the objective things you can see and feel, you could argue it's not worth the extra dosh.
Perth WAtch solid response, cheers mate :)
very nice review! for me what's missing is the omega--should have acquired in the late sixties, early seventies when i got my rolexes. too much money to let go of now--might try an alpha homage watch, but they seem a little underdone right now but they do seem very cool!
Haha thanks for that Greg - well the Alpha watches are indeed pretty cool, and at
skx is £200 watch, oris aquis is a £1200. Thats a massive jump, you really need a £500 watch in your line up.
Fair point - what £500 watch would you choose?
That's the tthing, very difficult choice at this price range, go for inhouse like seiko? go for "swiss" like hamilton? go for homages like steinhart? There's various ways you can go at that price point.
Thanks for your thoughts - I do like Hamilton as a brand, will have to take a closer look at them!
I vote for Steinhart Ocean 2 at $550. Very original design.
Thanks Mike - I haven't taken a close look at Steinhart before, will give them a gander :)
Seiko SKX009J ..... I also own the Invicta which is 25 years old ( no service needed so far ) and still runs like new .
Thanks for sharing that! 25 years, wow, incredible... but that would be a different model then??
I like how you set the time on all :)
Thanks man - I put that down to my OCD :)
omega forever.....i have omega planet ocean Quantum of solace limitied edition.. 5007 pice..just fantastic watch.
Ah that is a nice piece, 42mm much more preferable than the large 45mm Casino Royale one I reviewed! Ironic that Quantum was such a lousy movie!
I will take that Seamaster first any day.
Thanks for the feedback - I think that'd be my own bias too :)
Me too. I’ve loved it since my first James Bond movie!
I honestly don't like the seamaster, its more for the older man, I'm not an Oris fan either but seems better made
@@PerthWAtch how much better build quality is the omega vsbthe oris, REALLY?
I think it’s really better all around... the external bits are marginal, but the movement is definitely considerably better. I did a head to head for these two watches so do check it out :)
The older Rolex subs (mine 2006, is the two tone Blue face) is much nicer than the newer ones in my opinion only. I chose between three different ones and the blue faces were all a bit different with their own personality. Mine is a bit more violet. The new ones are all EXACTLY the same and look bland.. to me anyway. I might but a deep sea dweller but would not buy a new two tone blue face. Great video my friend! cheers.
Addendum: The Chromalight on my Rolex Sub is not very bright at night at all. Course I'm old..
Thanks for sharing your views mate, really appreciate your thoughts and sharing from your experiences :)
I love the Omega Seamaster
It's one of the most popular Omegas and one of the most well known watches around :)
It's my biggest grail watch, obviously not the most expensive, but my favorite watch anyway
Omega Seamaster is lovely but could not afford it....Oris Aquis just suits me☺️
Maybe have the citizen pro master in the 200 dollar mark so you can have a seiko srp 641k1 in the 500 dollar mark since it really is a big jump from the SKX to the Oris
Thanks for the feedback Harvard... it's true that there is a big jump to the Oris, and there is a gap asking to be filled. A Promaster is a great suggestion for the $200 mark, and as you noted a higher end Seiko would step into the gap nicely. Great thought - other viewers have definitely picked up on this gap too, but your suggestion is one of the best ones so far! Cheers, Ivan.
A 6x in price is hardly a steep increase
Like going from a bmw 7 series to ferrari F12
Hi mate do u have some recommendation regarding diver watch priced less than 500 $ usd for daily use? Im not a pro watch enthusiast so a pro tip would help me a lot. Great video btw
Oh what an enviable position shopping for a diver with $500! You have a huge range to choose from but some of my top ideas would be:
Seiko Turtle models - classic good looking original design, solid movement, but larger watch
Seiko Sumo - this may be over $500 but if you can sneak in on discount under $500 it would be a bargain. Large watch
Steinhart - take a look at their dive range, I particularly like the Ocean Vintage Military
Glycine Combat Sub - needs no intro this one!
Perth WAtch ive been doing some research about the steinhart, and i really into their design and quality. However some people called it “homage” watches and some say its a ripoff. Do u think it would be a problem if i buy an ocean steinhart and used it daily? I dont even know what is a homage... but i would not prefer if i met friends who really understand watches and they say negative things about my watch
"Homage" is an action of paying tribute to something... Steinhart is considered homage by most, and I think those who say it's a ripoff or knockoff miss the mark. There is nothing wrong with an homage, but people may criticise it as having lack of originality. I think the main thing is that you like and enjoy the watch... as long as it's not a blatant knock off, it doesn't matter what others think.
Perth WAtch your comment just made my decision. Thank you for answering my question mate, lots of love from indonesia!
All the best mate! I hear there's significant taxes when importing these items...?
Great informative video. I've had the opportunity to have a Sub C and SMP side by side at a local AD and I have to say I much prefer the SMP, especially on wrist. I think most people regard Rolex as a step up from Omega, but for me Omega makes better looking watches.
Thanks dude - you can probably tell I am a little biased toward the SMP as well, although all respect to Rolex, they definitely hold value better overall. But personally I too prefer the SMP styling :)
Great video. An amazing Invicta Pro Diver with a Seiko movement.
Thank you. I do like that Invicta very much, and also just completed a review on it :)
How nice to hear another Australian voice producing watch videos.
Disappointed however that unlike your separate review you failed to point out that the NH35a in the Invicta hacks and winds whereas the movement in the SKX doesn't. The Invicta also has applied indices and lume pip on front of the second hand rather on the rear (which can be confusing) as on the SKX. I own the 9094OB (coin edge version) and frankly hate the negativity shown towards Invictas. Certainly they have their faults ... lume especially, as you pointed out. I also agree the gap is too wide between the SKX and the Oris. Apart from those already mentioned this is an area predominately filled by the micro-brands often using interesting case materials such as brass and bronze.
Have subscribed and look forward to your future productions.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment Brian - you are totally spot on regarding the Invicta movement. You know I had all these in mind when thinking of this video but somehow when it came to scripting I had left it out!
Regarding the applied markers, I had tried to find out whether they are hand applied, which would be a plus for the Invicta, but couldn't confirm this. Still, it's a fair point in that the markers are not just flat printed.
I agree regarding the mostly unfair negativity shown towards the brand - I think they do very fair work for the prices asked.
Understood Rob. How Invicta choose to market and price their product is up to them however. Apparently they are quite successful having recently acquired the Glycine brand. I suppose the Invicta 'haters' will view that as trying to buy integrity. :-)
Rob Johnson I understand and agree with that overall point, however, they make so much $ on the cheaper, falsely priced items that appeal to the fashion watch crowd. That is what contributed to their overall financial success- not playing to the horological community as we would prefer. It does make the brand identity quite confusing, and finding their quality watches more of a chore than a pleasure.
Invictas are total garbage get over it.
Invicta offers near unparalleled price to value & quality ratio. Invicta rules! ;)
Great video. Very informative and useful, but keep in my mind that Invicta does make way higher quality watches than the Rolex knockoff people like to note then for. The Russian Diver Nautilus pieces as well as their SubAqua Noma IV.
Despite how the submariner is made for diving, i will never wear anything more than $200 when i go diving, or even doing any contact sports.
Fair thought... I guess some of this is relative. I personally would have no qualms diving with the Oris, it's a watch that's built in tough fashion and, to me, not overtly expensive. To others $8000 for a Rolex might be pocket change, whereas to another person $200 would be a full week's wages or even more...
Absolutely wonderful video, thanks!!!
Thanks dude, appreciate the support! :)
The Rolex submariner is a beautiful watch. I like in particular the angular thick[ish] lugs, which are immediately recognisable.. However, is it really worth in excess of £9,000?.. I very much doubt it..
However, value, of course, is entirely subjective, and my personal opinion on the matter is absolutely inconsequential 😁 haha.
Thanks for those thoughts! A steel Sub is available for about US$8k presently. I think many find it hard to splurging that much on a watch... but one thing about Rolex (and only a couple of other brands) is that it holds value, and in fact a good condition Sub that goes out of production is likely to appreciate in value. So in a way it's actually reasonably considered an investment unlike many other brands. Cheers, Ivan.
The original SKX bracelet has solid links (save the center jubilee portion) the one you have with the folded links isn't the original.
You might well be right about that... some other sources I have seen suggests that there are different bracelet styles that Seiko have distributed with this piece...
Perth WAtch you know after I posted the comment I did think about that. Do you have a very old SKX? Perhaps the bracelet long ago was different. The one I have is about 3 yrs old. Still not a strapcode quality bracelet but very fair and very comfortable.
Mines not an old one, similar age to yours but I think it may be related to region of distribution. The bracelet I put on it is from that very old (20 years) Seiko kinetic, and that interestingly has more solid links!
Great Video however you miss the $500 to $1000 range and I would recommend The Certina DS Action Diver at $500 to $600 and then perhaps a few of the lower end Squale.
Thanks Mike - you make an absolutely valid point. Check out comment by *OnlineBackupServices* earlier and the several replies, all with good alternative suggestions for the intermediate price point! I think the Certina is another very suitable candidate for this gap.
I guess Certina has lost some of its "shine" now that its part of the Swatch Group but in Europe its the VW of watch brands.
Omega is a great watch. Far as the Invicta goes, stay away if possible. If not, never pay more than around a hundred bucks for one. I do have three, two grand divers and one diver. All with Japanese movements. Nothing to brag about, but the watches are OK for the prices I paid. Considering they're all Chinese made, accept the movements.
Tom Jones USA why you hating on the invicta. For the price under 100 bucks with tax. Fucken watch is amazing. UNDER 100 bucks. It kicks ass. Is not a Rolex or omega. Can’t even compare. But for those that can’t effort it. Great watch.
And I’d rather have a Tudor BB58 over all of them. I very much enjoy these “class” breakdowns between my favourite type of watch.
Thanks for that - glad you enjoyed it. I'll take a closer look at that Tudor model.
Excellent comparison! I love all those time pieces! Great vid. Just subscribed and You are welcome to WatchesGalore!👍👍
This was a really good, considered video. Subscribing now. Are you familiar with the Grand Diver from Invicta? I just did a video on one which is essentially the same Pro Diver that you have here, but with solid end links, a proper machined clasp, and other build quality improvements. The downside is that it's much bigger and heavier, but you might want to get hold of one. It would make a good addition to a lineup like this for a future video. Well done!
Thank you for your thoughtful comment... yes there are definitely some Grand Divers in my family's possession, thanks for the insight on these, I will definitely be getting a hold of them to take a closer look myself!
Just want to add that the movement in the invicta comes from a higher end Seiko movement 24 Stones and Hackable which is much superiour than the 7s26 found in the SKX.That is probably the best feature of the Loved or Hated invicta.PS i have the one from the video plus the Black dial one both with same bezel and Yellow Grand Diver -love them all as much as my Low end Seiko 5 .Nice video BTW.
Should check out Amfibias.They should make the list just because.They are brilliant but Underlumed and less known around Omegas and Rolexes.But well known amongst watch Ultras.
Wristwatch Reflections I have this Invicta 9094 it has a seiko nh35a movement which is the Seiko 4r36a movement it has hacking and manual winding ... got it for 70 USD on Amazon ... color me smart
Thanks for the comment Rick, and for the insight - I wasn't aware before that NH35a is basically the third party designation for the Seiko 4R36 movement. I have learnt something new, cheers!
A Very Very Informative Review ... I am NEW to watch collecting so my views are Naive, Simple & even Immature to the Professionals below who are Experts and have learned a lot about watch Craftsmanship, Quality, Value like your many subscribers commenting on this video, but from the perspective of a Beginner who has a very good salary & drives a Cadillac ... I can see buying ONE holy grail watch over $ 1,000 dollars as a Nice to Have Fun item (sort of like having ONE special Girl, or ONE special Car, or ONE special Timepiece) ... BUT the prices you quote above for the Oris, Omega & Rolex are absolutely SHOCKing, enough to give a Beginner a Heart Attack ... and I'm not talking about a Businessman Investor Collector who buys & sells for profit (that to me is a different matter altogether ... or the Horologist who does reviews, of course ! ) but if you are a normal hard working person, to spend that kind of hard earned cash for a Collection of Shockingly "Overpriced" Brands that impress No One but yourself, seems Heart Stopping to me ! For example, one commentator below says a Seiko is "Rubbish of poor quality" and yet I wear a Seiko everyday for work ... a Turtle, a Monster, a Yeti or GMT Kinetic all for under $400 and I am in Hog Heaven as to me they are Great and yes, I'll get that ONE special girl, I mean Grail watch for over $ 1,000 which will impress no one but ME, as trust me, girls & people could care less what's on your wrist, only YOU know its true value to you ... Thanks to your informative detailed review I know I'm in the right place for Me regards Satisfaction and in the right price range for Value !!
Keep Up The Excellent Work, Major Jim, USMC
Thanks for your thoughts Jim - I think you bring a fresh and valid perspective to this. You may consider yourself a "beginner" but that doesn't make your well thought out views any less valid than someone else's IMO. The world of watches is in large part a world of luxury, and that in reality means excess and gratuity in some cases. At the same time perspective can also be very relative... I think $4k truly is a large amount to spend on a watch and *must* be considered luxury. For me this may be a handful of times a life thing, for the next person it may be once or never, for the next perhaps once every couple of years (I mean not just watches, could be any other jewelry or luxury). Pull it out even further, for some this is chump change, and an example of serious watch is this: www.swissluxury.com/richard-mille-watches-rm-002.htm (I'm assuming you're comment about myocardial infarction is hyperbole, if it isn't, please don't click! :D)
If after that you're game for more of a zoom out, search out "Patek Sky Moon Tourbillon" - this holds the current record for list price for a brand new watch (i.e. fresh out of factory, no history or celebrity owner, etc).
HOLY SMOKES A MILLION DOLLAR WATCH !!! I Just Died & Went to Heaven ! ... And to think, that may only be "Chump Change" for someone Truly Takes My Breath Away (I hear Putin has a pricey collection) ... Your comment, "The world of watches is in large part a world of Luxury and that in reality means Excess" shows a lot of Wisdom acquired from many years of Horological study and has been a tremendous Eye-Opener for me, somewhat like getting a Watch College Education all in one breath and helps me Understand what I never realized before, whereas in my world in America watches are principally purchased by the majority of the people to tell time & usually for never more than $ 500 (as proof look at the high sales of Seikos & Fossils & Invictas )... now I also understand there is a Larger World of the Luxury Timepiece Industry Where Price Knows No Limit and just as financially Lucrative or even more so than the lower priced volume sales business ... and Thanks to your keen knowledge of Horology I've also learned a second insight, that an Expensive watch "Means Different Things To Different People," so while Expensive is $ 500 to most people I know in the USA, $ 1,000 to me is pushing my limit, $ 4,000 is pricey to You, a Denmark reviewer said a $ 4,800 watch is spending a Fortune in Denmark, and finally back to the non Luxury volume world of $ 100 watches that are priced high for my wife & her friends. Thanks for the Great Horological Insights and the Class (My Brain Hurts from all this Knowledge), Major Jim, USMC
Would you chose a Rolex over an Omega if price is a consideration ? Well the answer has to be no. However, the big picture, a Rolex is an investment and has been for many years. I have three and all have increased in value ( I look after them & wear lesser watches daily) I would struggle to name any other mainstream watch that will genuinely increase in value.
Thanks for the comment... I'd have to agree with you about the notion that Rolex is the only mainstream brand that has investment potential. There might be some pieces here and there in other brands, but it's more touch and go... With Rolex it's quite consistent. I once heard that there are really only 2 brands with this characteristic, the other being Patek (which is certainly not mainstream). Cheers, Ivan.
Haha, I was told 3 , Rolex, Patek and Audemars Piquet (if that is the correct spelling) and MUST be mechanical movement. I am lucky as I have a Pepsi GMT Master 2 1999 model and they are being advertised at silly money(note I did not say selling ! )
I like your Oris, what do you think of H2O with similar colours?
Very interesting concept... it seems like they do charge quite a bit for the customisation service. The CG images look a bit raw, you'd hope for a bit of refinement on the finish at over €1000. The lingerie model at the homepage cracked me up!
Hello, man.
What do you think of the Reichenbach brand? Please share what you know about this topic. I want to buy this model RB302-112 - Cassel.Everybody says that this brand is made in China. Thanks in advance.
Hi there, I have not heard of that brand myself and would be very cautious paying the asking prices for it, seems like some of their models list for close to GBP1000 (??) but then get discounted heavily. There are some comments around saying that it's stated Made in Germany but photos I see don't have that on the watch face or back, so it's most likely Chinese made. That in itself does not mean it's bad, but there is very little objective info I can find on this, so I would stay away until I can find out more, and/or get one in hand to actually feel the product myself.
If you are interested in a model like the one you listed, why not consider something like an Ingersoll Cimarron? I will post a review on this soon, so keep a look out :)
Thank you very much for your valuable comment. I will consider your recommendations.
Nice video 👍 I own a oris aquis date 43mm black color and a Rolex sub 16613 in blue color👍🇸🇪
Thanks - oh that Rolex is beautiful in blue IMO!
What was that other Seiko that has the other's original strap?
Great, informative video btw.
It's an old (more than 20 years) Seiko Kinetic with the 5M43 caliber, but I'm afraid I no longer know the exact model number...
An interesting review would be this type of dive watch vs real modern wrist dive computers used by scuba divers like the Mares or Scubapro...
Thanks for that thought! I think it would indeed be quite interesting to take a look at modern dive computers, however to be honest I wouldn't know where to start in comparing with automatic dive watches. Perhaps something like the G-Shock Frogman would be a comparison I could manage... The current version even has a depth meter! Cheers, Ivan.
Enjoyed your video! Wow! $8-9,000 for a watch. I wonder what my father or grandfather would think. I'm so impressed with the Invicta brand with big flashy builds for a $hundred or so. Love the 50-53mm builds, flashy and heavy. I get comments every day on any of the 32 that I own and have a few dollars left for a good steak dinner or a new car. If you really have it, does it matter, I think not but for most Americans, they are so much better off with something to flash and just toss/give away when it's tattered or worn. I have 2 arms but I just cant keep my watches from banging into everything.
Thanks for that Gene, and for the insightful comment. I think there is a lot to be said for Invicta... They seem to attract some negativity but they definitely give some great value for money in their pieces, especially around the $80-120 mark! The world of watches can be a crazy place, and these pale in comparison to 6 (and even 7!) figure pieces!
Very well done!
Cheers from Philadelphia!
Brian
Thanks for that Brian - glad you enjoyed it :)
Is the lume pip on your Submariner off-center (to the right), or is it just the lighting?
Haha the bezel probably wasn't set correctly to 12 o'clock for the video!
It seems that the pip itself is on the right side of the triangle at the 12 o'clock on the bezel...
I think I see what you mean... gonna have to check with the owner of the watch when I next get a chance. Sharp eyed of you!
I'm not into diving watches, but damn, that Omega is handsome. Rolex may be a better 'investment', but Omega makes some real stunners. It makes especially this Rolex look a little cheap.
Thanks for that Bob - well I too think that the Seamaster design is especially handsome :)
May I ask your input on the Oris above vs Raymond weil freelancer? !
Very close in acquisition price based on a quick search, although RW seem to have higher MSRP. Essentially identical in specs as far as I can see - I think Oris is more unique in its design, less generic, but RW has my full respect as another independent company. You could easily choose either and be happy. Oris is probably better as a pure tool diver, the RW seems more handsome.
Perth WAtch thanks for the reply.
i would kill for that oris. better than both the rolex and omega in my book. what an exquisite watch
Thanks Ghost - depending on where you are, you may be able to just buy one for about $1200! :D
nice review even though I am disappointed that you selected omega below Rolex. I think they are even as far as quality and have better brand prestige. And man get a camera.
Thanks for comment - all feedback is appreciated! I think Omega quality is excellent yes, but they still fall below Rolex in several respects - Rolex is the biggest popular name in watches, and are a vertically integrated manufacture where Omega isn't.
This was my second video ever... I've since learnt to much better work with the limitations of my camera ;)
Loved your videos.. And iam hoping you are from Perth.. I was thinking of getting a sugess submariner or a sugess date just but my brother is like why do you want to buy a Chinese watch from Ali express.
Can one order in Ali express to Perth or are the customs too high
Whovh brand do you think makes the best quality.. San Martin is a little too expensive which is why I thought of sugess and cronos which give same quality. Pagani design is very cheap although good..
Btw i have even read comments that these watches quality are better than seiko 5 and some one even said they are good as a specific models Tudor..
I think Pagani is better than Sugess from what I’ve seen, and they keep improving.
It’s fine to order from AliExpress and get sent to Perth - the 10% GST is charged on the sellers side, you don’t get any additional charges.
Thanks for the reply... I really wanna see how good these homage watches are.. The only thing iam worried about is that some people might scoff that is a cheap copy even though it isn't
Also do you think these homage watches are better than some seikos in quality.. Iv read some comments saying the same @@PerthWAtch
They are in fact cheap(er) and they are a copy - that’s true. But I wouldn’t worry about what people think - why does that matter?
Seiko watches are reliable, wholly original in design, and do what they are supposed to… but they are not of high quality.
why is the rolex clasp not two tone too, on this model the gold is centred throughout the entire bracelet clasp and diver extension - fake or replacement?
In my understanding the older models (this one is from late 1980's) did not have gold on the clasp... Rolex only started implementing gold there in early 2000's. But please let me know if you find info that suggests otherwise. Cheers, Ivan.
Is there something wrong about Mido?
I haven't heard anything bad about them but to be honest I'm not familiar with the brand. I can recommend checking some of the forums like WUS for feedback if you're specifically interest in it.
Please review the Steinhart Ocean 44 GMT. You'll be amazed at it's quality. I just received mine for $500. It's not perfect, no watch is... but it punches WAY above its price tag.
Thank you for your comment and suggestion. The Steinhart Ocean 1 design looks very much like a Submariner homage at first inspections... I will endeavor to take a closer look :)
Look at the Steinhart Ocean 44 GMT. Steinhart started out making homages... but is beginning to make its own designs. The homages were their attempt to start making profit and capital to expand to original designs.
You're right, the Ocean 44 GMT does start to move into it's own style, although I think it still obviously homages the Rolex GMT Master... the Ocean 2's and the Ocean Vintages, now those really start to become different. I'm liking the models I am seeing!
One word, "Steinhart."
Haha nice one, I love it! :)
Invicta Pro diver it's not manufactured in Korea your guess is wrong.
Plus, NH35 movement is batter than 7S26.
Mer kava - I assume you mean "better", and perhaps you refer to the hacking and the greater jewel count... the former I would grant, but greater jewel count is not equivalent to "better". Consider also that the 7s26 has a proven history with many instances of it lasting >15 years without servicing, whilst the NH35a was introduced only a few years ago... I would be hesitant to consider it a definitively superior movement.
I would place the Oris at 4th place. Pound for pound the Oris beats the omega in my opinion. Regardless of Omegas brand prestigious.
Thanks for sharing your view. How would you say the Oris is better? Sellita SW-200 is undeniably inferior to the ETA 2892. The Omega is also a chronometer and has the coaxial escapement, and bracelet that is significantly harder to make. What does the Oris have that is superior?
Was Pagani just not a player in 2016? I didn’t know about them 5 years ago
Pagani don’t make dive watches
Judging from the accent, I'm guessing you're from Australia? I'm not sure if you guys get a different bracelet or what but my recently purchased SKX009K2 came with a nice jubilee with solid links (not end links of course), as did the jubilee I bought from Seiko USA for my vintage 7002.
You're spot on - Perth, Australia! This was actually purchased from a dealer in Singapore, from all I can tell with close inspection it's completely legit, with cards and all also. I think there seems to be variation in the way these bracelets are produced, as that 1980's Kinetic I took the bracelet from actually had more solid style links.
I guess if I had looked at your username, I would've answered my own question lol
Yeah, I can tell your SKX is legit and I think you're right about the bracelet, I see no other explanation.
Great videos.
thx for the video it was very informative I wanted the oris watch at least it be an entry level of swiss
Thanks for the comment - glad you found it helpful!
The recent micro brand and small manufacturers quality divers for the $$$...
Instead of invicta, start out with the Phoibus 300m "Great White". For $169 you get a diver that shares many components with Steinhart Ocean One.
Keep the SKX next in line! Awesome watches.
The Seiko Tuna.
Next let's ditch the Oris and go with the Seiko Marine Master.
After that there is the Omega Sea Master. I do not disagree with this choice.
This is where it ends as Rolex charges ridiculous stupid price for their watches. Really... $8000.00 for a diver that's not really that great. There are micro-brands that kick it's ass for $3000.00.
For the average Joe the SKX will go anywhere and back.
Thanks for your very thoughtful comments! The "Great White" looks like a very good value proposition - I see it is relatively new so in fact was not available when this video was made. I will contact Phoibos to offer to review this piece, hope they will be interested!
I think the Seiko Tuna or Monster or Turtle are all great pieces, and Seiko overall is an absolute top brand, but I also thought it best to feature at most one from a brand, or it starts to look biased. The Marine Master watches are truly awesome pieces, but at around $2000+, it's simply something I didn't have access to (and still don't!) - if only someone can lend me one...
Rolex is overpriced, I'd be the first to agree with that, but I guess the intention here was to try to show what you're getting for the price level. Seiko gives anyone a serious run for money, especially in the value department, but there is still that intangible X-factor with certain companies...
The Poibus is over double the price of the Invicta, coming close to the price of an skx. Wouldn't make much sense including it.
Is chronometer really necessary for a watch? Nice video by the way
Of course not - why would you think so? Take a step back - watches are not necessary!
@@PerthWAtch lol
The table picture was at the beginning of the video as well.
Thanks - what a curious comment! ;)
Love the pressed clasp on the Rolex. Rolex do scratch easily, as the 904 steel is softer. I'd rather 2 Omegas for less money
Yep, Rolex certainly got their issues!
What are your thoughts on the Steinhart Ocean Series?
Pretty much all Steinhart I have seen are built to good quality levels and specs. I have an Ocean 39 in hand right and will be reviewing it soon :)
I own the oris and the rolex....Oris all day. You only call it mid level because of the price! The Oris is the top performer...hands down
Thanks for you comment Henry. True... I could select a different set of watches and Oris would be top tier. Or bottom feeder. I think you need to define performance... in the case of value retention, there is no question that the Rolex kicks the stuffing out of almost anything... including anything here ;)
Cheers, Ivan.
sounds like a Singaporean with a slight English accent. Greetings from a Singgie in NSW. Omega Seamaster any day.
Haha close... Malaysian with Aussie most people tell me. Some say plain Aussie!
Perth WAtch Ha! close. In any case it sounds refined, like your watches. Nice vid. have subscribed. Malaysia boleh! :)
Thank you for that, too kind :)
Malaysia keep saying they boleh but the deteriorating politics gives me doubts every time...!
Great videos ; just subscribed!!
Thanks Brian!
Love your videos, keep up the good work
Thank you very much for that - it's most appreciated! :)
Great review! I'm ordering seamaster next week. The bezel is made of "liguid metal". There is a nice video from omega about it. Check it out
Thanks for that! I think "liquid metal" is the technology they've used in the newer models, this one is a more traditional ceramic bezel IIRC.
I'm surprised Oris is your midtiered watch. I would've went with the Sinn or Damaskos solely because they're different in steel (cold steel and 304L) and both have high anti-magnetism which you'll see only in omega's coaxial and Rolex maugauss (which is ugly) watches. All this for an astonishing $1300, which is cheaper than oris even in the grey market.
Hi there, thank you for your thoughtful comments! I think Sinn makes some very interesting watches and I do hope to be able to review some of these in the future. I agree that Sinn makes for a very fair contender against Oris. I am learning more about watches all the time, and the more I learn the more I realize I don't know! Cheers, Ivan.
Liked the vid, but the Seiko is the only true Dive watch there. ISO rated professional for couple hunred dollars !
Hi, thanks for the comment! You're absolutely right in that the Seiko is the only watch here that had been put through ISO 6425 standards. However most commentators would suggest that the higher end Swiss pieces here would almost certainly meet standards if they were put to the test. Rolex for one have never bothered with ISO testing but have a very long track record of performance under various tough conditions. Cheers, Ivan.
between oris and seamaster , there is a site for seiko MM300
Thanks Xiang Fan, I do fancy the Marinemasters actually, although in this selection there probably a wider gap between the SKX007 and the Oris - see some of the earlier comments for some good discussion on what could fill this!
Glycine combat sub would have made a better transition from the Sony to the Oris
Thanks for that... I agree, the Combat Sub would be a good bridge. I chose a Steinhart instead when doing a closer comparison at the entry level - check it out here: th-cam.com/video/xtSAHku9pZE/w-d-xo.html
i love the ceramic Seamaster Pro
Thanks Wilfredo - the SMPc is definitely a great piece. Thanks for watching!
Oris without a doubt is the best divers watch out of the bunch.
Really nice video, thanks. BTW, it's "deployant", not "deployment".
Thanks for that, glad you enjoyed it! You're right, it's "deployant"... I had that down first but Chrome and Word kept telling me it's a spelling mistake and psyched me into settling for "deployment". Should've known not to trust those guys! :)
Huge gap, skx @ $200 to Oris $1400. Seiko shogun is fantastic at $800-900
Yeah good point, also been raised by many others. If I had to redo this I would put another watch in there at about the $600 mark, although probably would avoid having 2 of same brand. Glycine would fit the bill nicely.
Why is The Citizen Pro Master left out ? Cheers !!!
Can you tell me which model number are you referring to?
@@PerthWAtch Citizen BN0195-54E Eco Drive. I think its great value. This is not an automatic. It,s solar. Price is +/- 320 U.S Dollars. Cheers Bro.
Well that's precisely why, this is about automatic divers... I would've loved to feature a Citizen auto but they're kinda obsolete...
@@PerthWAtch I understand , sorry about that. Be assured that the Pro Master will reach your expectations. Precision timer and a joy to use. Thank you so much. Beautiful collection you reviewed.
based solely on looks.. i'd say seiko takes the cake
Thanks for sharing your view there... I think you're the only one so far who has said that! ;)
@@PerthWAtch it's too bad branding and price point can influence our judgment. Don't get me wrong, the rest are all beautiful watches.. but seiko imo is the only one with its own unique design
Yes unfortunately that's very true about brand and marketing influences on our choices. Personally I think the Oris is also rather original :)
What about Longines Hydroconquest?
Thanks for that - I think the Hydroconquest is a great watch and could well feature in a lineup like this, perhaps in place of the Oris. Between Oris and Longines however I'd definitely go Oris.
Perth WAtch why? It think oris is a bit bukly on the wrist, LH is like a part of the hand
You're right... the style is quite different and Oris is certainly the thicker. There are a number of reasons why I would pick the Oris, namely: It's one of the best tool watches (one of the best lume applications, solid design, fantastic bezel), more original design compared to Hydroconquest which is slightly more generic, it feels overall better in hand (I have also held the Longines) and they are independent of the large watch groups.
Great video, but you may want to fix your camera focus, it really annoyed me when it got in and out of focus every 10 seconds
Thanks for the feedback Pyle. Yeah, I chalk that up to amateur skills, seriously that was my second ever upload. I think I've since learnt how to better work around the limitations of my camera ;)
Every time I watch a video about the different levels/tiers of watches it plateaus at Rolex... I don't get it. After Rolex you've bot Bloncpain, then AP, then A. Lange, then Patek, etc. How is it that the "5 tiers" of watches all fall in the range of$100-$10,000? If a Patek Nautilus costs $50,000....what tier is that?
Thanks for the feedback Jason. Curious that you have found that it plateaus with Rolex every time! I can't speak for what others have done but for myself, I simply do not have access to an AP, or Lange, or Blancpain etc. Would love to feature those in comparisons when/if I ever get my hands on one! I don't think there is an answer for what tier is a $50k Patek Nautilus - the "tiers" are arbitrary to start with. Cheers, Ivan.
To correct this guy, there is a significant difference between 316L and 904L steel including a big difference is price too.
904L has a much higher, deeper luster than the 316, not just more corrosion resistance, visibly more aesthetically pleasing to look at
Sounds like you've taken to the marketing hook, line, and sinker ;)
Don't let them fool you mate... it's still made of iron, nickel, chromium, along with smaller proportions of other elements... these do not justify the cost premium of Rolex.
@@PerthWAtch
Not debating the cost of these silly watches cos in my opinion, no watch in the world should cost thousands, its just a wrist worn time piece and nothing more.
But, contrary to what you may believe, the difference isn't just skin deep with the metal, it is significantly higher in cost to manufacture in the first place BUT, totally unnecessary as 316L is just fine (grand seiko's come to mind). My original bond seamaster is now 20 yrs old and still looks as good as new and that is 316 steel
Good to know... thanks for sharing your views!
wow amazing content man, love it.
Thanks - appreciate the positive feedback :)
Phoibos makes a $99 quartz dive watch rated 300 meters with a sapphire crystal.
Thanks metatech - you're spot on about that, although I'm pretty sure that wasn't available at the time I made this video. Nonetheless, pretty amazing value for $99!
I think MSRP on the Omega is more like ~$3800 USD, not $4400.
Huh? Do you know what MSRP stands for? Check it out on Omega offical site, there is no need to approximate this.
I did, $5300 AUD, which works out to $3800 USD.
Huh, just did it with an US proxy enabled, it was indeed $4400, my apologies. Usually we pay more for things in Australia, not the other way around.
Sure if you wanna see it that way... that's not how an American looking it up would see it.
It was set at $5300 back when it first came because the exchange rate was much better at the time... that's how it seems that local MSRP are determined. Since then our dollar has suffered quite a bit in comparison, hence it looks like this is relatively cheap now.
It is weird but I like more the Oris Aquis than the Rolex Submariner.
Not weird at all I think... the Aquis has many devoted followers and proponents, and is definitely an excellent dive watch. Many would argue (with good justification) that it's functionally the best dive watch of the bunch!
I was just thinking exactly that. Well said, PW!
I don't think it is weird, Sub is very ugly watch imo.
Agreed!
Oris certainly has nicer look...
It's deployANT! Not deployMENT. These clasps are not going to war damn it!
Thank you very much for the clarification :)
The Oris is nice...
Agreed :)