Rolex Sub Homage Across 5 "Tiers" - Tevise, Invicta, Phoibos, Steinhart & Ginault - Perth WAtch
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- Massive group comparison of Rolex Submariner homage pieces across 5 tiers of price & quality.
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CONTENT SHORTCUTS:
1. Tevise - 4:16
2. Invicta - 8:14
3. Phoibos - 11:13
4. Steinhart - 14:12
5. Ginault - 18:37
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I love how your watches are synchronized
Thanks for that - I blame that on my OCD :)
I wanted to point that out too lol
Nice catch George! I didn't even notice. Then again, I am easily distracted by 5 cool watches. I have seen this several times and still enjoy like its the first tine.
Here's an Easter egg hunt for you guys - check out my other multi watch videos, I think they might all be synchronised also! :)
but how???
Hi, my name is Fernando and I have recently purchased a Phoibos Reef Master after watching a review video.
Unfortunately after receiving the watch I realised the bezel was misaligned and it was way off on accuracy running at + 56 s a day.
After having the watch for 7 days (purchased directly from Phoibos website) I wrote to their customer centre to notify the defects and was honestly expecting first for a replacement or second for the watch to be shipped back and properly fixed, however the first response from Phoibos was that there was nothing wrong with the watch, I was probably looking at the bezel from a angle and also that I didn’t know how to adjust the watch. I was really surprised with their response and told them to look at the video I did on their Facebook page and they came back saying that they couldn’t see anything wrong. I did a second video showing better the misaligned bezel and had a bunch of comments saying they it was clear on the first video but still, I tried again.
After many emails and videos sent to Phoibos they in the end told me that I could try to force a bit of back play on the bezel to realign and still insisted that I should try to set the watch again for accuracy (I am a watch collector for 20 years, feeling like the stupidest person in the world at that moment)
But if I really wanted it looked at that I could send the watch back.
As last, unfortunately if you have any problems with your watch you have to send it to China and can not declare its value as more than 30 dollars or it won’t get through China customs and also that they have no responsibility if anything happens so in summary if my or your watch doesn’t get back to them you only receive 30 dollars back from your insurance. Yes, what to do with that money.
I just think it would be nice to let people know my story so that they can think twice before o buying a Phoibos or they might end up with 30 dollars
Kind regards
Fernando
Thank you again for taking the time to share your experience Fernando. It is indeed disappointing and more reports like this are surfacing as Phoibos become more widely distributed. The watches they sent me have been ok until the Wave Master which had some QC issues. I did a review that was negative on these points... they have stopped sending me pieces. I don't regret it so much, I am gonna tell it like it is and integrity should not be for sale, but goes to show that manipulation of reviewers is real and does occur. Best regards! Ivan.
PS. Did you use PayPal for the payment? If so I would advise to try activating their bulletproof buyer protection. I strongly advise using PayPal whenever possible.
Honestly the invictaa 8926 is great value for money for a daily wearer. It's something you can wear without worrying as fixing anything is relatively simple. Of course what you might find as a let down are the following; the hollow end links can cause a rattling if not adjusted with new spring bars every few months, the crystal is easily chipped or damaged and the clasp I found can break but is able to keep functioning comfortably (unexpectedly). In summary if you like adjusting and messing with your watches you'll be pretty happy with what you get and any issues can be dealt with.
Thanks for a great insightful comment there! A lot of helpful thoughts, and yes it is indeed a good watch to change things around and represents nearly unparalleled value for money!
I have the Invicta 8928 with the coin edge bezel. It was disappointing to learn post-purchase how belittled that watch is as a shameless homage to the Rolex Sub. I've decided to make my peace with that and enjoy it for the reasons I bought it in the first place: it's a handsome watch (precisely *because* it so closely apes the Rolex), it's got a decent automatic movement, and it has inspired my interest in horology. It's been a sturdy, reliable performer and especially because I got it on sale for $57, I still consider it to have been a worthwhile purchase. Agree however that the lume is underwhelming.
Thank you very much for sharing that - good on you for getting over the negativity and enjoying the watch nonetheless. Ultimately it is your own experience and enjoyment that matters in this respect. Invicta has its issues but there is no denying that the 40mm Pro Diver is astounding value! Cheers, Ivan.
I bought the Invicta knowing the brand rep and the model rep. Honestly, at its price, its got a lot of value in it!
I own four out of the five watches in this review, though in slightly different models. The Steinhart is the watch I do not have any experience with. I bought my Invicta first, which inspired me as well. The Ginault is as accurate as a Rolex Submariner and, in my opinion, is equal or superior to the Submariner in every way, except prestige. I would really like to see what Tevise could do at the $100 level!
Thanks for the comment Bert - good points there! I think Rolex does command a premium objectively for being a fully integrated horological manufacture, for use of 904L steel, and superlative accuracy rating of +/- 2spd which they seem to consistently achieve. However, most people don't feel that this justifies a price at 10-20x more than some of these pieces...
I have the same watch. It looks great, has no defects that I can observe and keeps good time. Of course there are better quality watches out there, but for the price the Invicta is an excellent value, and the quality is good enough.
My Invicta 8926 was bought as a bargain ex display, slightly scratched bezel. Less than 40 quid. Its performance befits a watch 3 or 4 times its price. I don't care for the Invicta marketing but it's an old Swiss watch brand so I don't hate it. I love it. Very accurate. Good lume on hands and bezel pip. Indices lume is poor. Seiko movement 24 jewel. Display back. Looks awesome. Less than a basic g shock. Amazing watch.
Thanks for sharing that - glad you have had a great experience with Invicta! :)
nice review mate. I really enjoy your balanced and calm vibe when reviewing watches. I have Seiko & Tudor divers mostly and the Steiny OVM and Maxi Dial OVM and they are both great! they're fun to wear. no issues with them, other than the clasp, which works fine but is a pain to open, but I've put them both on leather straps anyway. thinking about the 39mm version now
Thanks for the positive feedback - it's most appreciated! Good selection of watches you have it would seem... ah Tudor, the *ultimate* Rolex sub homage :)
A $22 watch that claims to be COSC-certified. Seems legit
Haha yes, although it says "ceranometer" so my suspicion is that it's not related ;)
@@PerthWAtch PERLATIVE CERONOMETER, exactly
Well done review. You did this several months ago but I just watched it. Thank you for pulling these comparisons together.
Thanks for that Steve - glad you enjoyed it :)
I love that u set all the watches to run together!! Even the second match 😮!!
Thanks for that - I chalk that up to my OCD! :)
Invicta is a seiko nh 35 movements which is awsome. Hand winding hacking. Seiko. Used it in water & swimming. Awesome. Better tyen my Seiko 5.
It's a solid movement for sure... although ability to use in water is down to the case rather than the movement. Also whilst some Seiko 5 will still have a 7S movement, there are plenty with the 4R36 which is really the same movement as NH35.
Great review. I have several versions of the Invicta pro diver & like them all. The only problem with Invicta (to me) is they never tell you where any of their "factories " are which leads me to believe that there are none.
Thanks for that! Hahaha I love it... I think you mean there are none on earth, so perhaps they import off world and use an alien slave labor force? :)
I've owned a #Steinhart Ocean One Black Ceramic (42mm) for several years now and I love it. I also own a Rolex Deepsea Sea Dweller and I still keep the Steinhart in rotation. It's well built, comfortable, works great (ETA 2824-2 movement not the newer one) and it looks awesome.
Thanks for sharing that - glad to hear you have enjoyed your Steinhart that much. Nothing wrong with the ETA 2824 - which newer movement do you mean?
Steinhart is now using an ETA 2824-2 Elaboré. I think the difference between the two is minimal.
Ah it was standard grade before? I have to say the Elabore grade regulation is impressively accurate! But overall reliability wise I would think there's not much difference.
They always have used the 2824-2.
They only use the Elabore or Top movements from ETA when they use ETA.
Great video and overview. I have the Steinhart in the OVM 39 version. If you are interested in buying the 39 get on the Gnomon Watches notification list as they will be back in stock in the spring. Cheers.
Thanks for that! The 39mm sure seems to be popular and in demand... thanks for the heads up about the notification list!
Great review! The problem I have with the Ginault aside from the odd pricing (and too high even if you get this arbitrary discount) is that it is a mystery watch. They can't or won't explain the movement nor their USA made claim. I cannot call it the best as who really knows what you are buying. If they had clear pricing like Steinhardt and were honest about the watch then maybe I would reevaluate its status.
Thanks for that - fair enough points about Ginault. I think the movement is clear enough - it's an ETA 2824-2 clone... as to how much of it is actually made in USA? Now that's the more mysterious part, but at face value they have directly stated that it majority manufactured and assembled in US with the exception of a few parts that had to be sourced from China.
Perth WAtch Thank you for your response. I know that NOOB watch makes a ETA clone movements from what I have read. Is this a Chinese made clone movement in the Ginault? And if you are charging $1400 or even $800 then it should be a real ETA movement. Who knows what quality the clone movement is.
Some would say it's Chinese... Ginault claim is US made. Whatever the case is, you're absolutely right in that we don't really know the quality, particularly in that it has no track record of reliability unlike real ETA movements. Although that may not be so dissimilar to a young company venturing to produce their own in-house movement for the first time... MontBlanc comes to mind.
Perth WAtch Thanks again! You have a great channel!
@@elarson312 Virtually all ETA 2824 clone base movements are made in China by Tianjin Seagull. That includes Sellita and Claro Semag 'Swiss' movements. It s highly likely that the genuine ETA 282 are also made in China and finished in Switzerland.
Steinhart ovm version 1 gets my vote.
Good pick - interestingly that version seems to be appreciating in value!
i want to purchase that version in a 39mm but i can't find a "vintage" one like that :(
39mm would be nice... give them a bit of time, they just might do it... as you can see they're coming out with a range of 39mm watches these days.
Thanks Ivan, you're right the Ginault is very nice, the problem for me is that I could have the OVM, Phoibos, and an Invicta to mod for a similar amount of money. The OVM comes in a 39mm now, which makes it more attractive and my 007 is just a really nice watch. Love the Ginault, but even at 850, I just couldn't justify it. To many other nice offerings.
Thanks again Derek - good thoughts those, and very logical. The issue expands in scale when considering a single $10k watch for example... how many pieces you might get instead!
You're right, I think it's all subjective and the watch you want is the best one for you. Personally, my limit is 500, and hopefully less. More than that, my wife gets angry and my kids complain that there's nothing to eat :(
Hahaha well, that last sentence... we all gotta get our priorities straight don't we? :D
I'm an avid watch collector and I have to say the Ginault is easily the best microbrand I've ever owned. Every detail on that watch is done right and its a pleasure to own. The Phoibos is a great value but there's no comparison and if you spent five minutes with these watches I'm sure you would agree.
P.s. The Ginault is easily the most accurate of these watches and is bascially COSC. The watch is extensively tested and adjusted before being shipped to you.
Ivan, this is the first of your videos I've seen, and I must say I really enjoyed it. Also enjoyed the interesting comments you garnered over the 7 months since you put it up. I don't really have any complaints about your evaluations at all -- very thorough -- but do wish you could have included the MKII Nassau (I know, I know, you didn't have one to use). And also another line I've seen that looks quite nice, the Swiss-made Revue Thommen: I'd have loved to see it compared side-by-side with these other watches, particularly the Steinhart. The U.S.-assembled (Swiss mechanism) Nassau is about $900 with no date, the Revue Thommen about half that.
Thank you Roger for the detailed comment and good thoughts... those models are compelling indeed! I'm not currently in a position to procure watches directly for review but if I do come across those I would definitely pit them head to head against an appropriate competitor such as a Steinhart. Cheers, Ivan.
Inventory & storing of inventory counts toward origins. I have calculated many items in trade sales.
Love the Steinhart OVM. One of the few watches I've sold and re-bought (since replaced w a Certina DS Action) Got the new Phoibos PY007 and Tissel Marine incoming to compare (and may both go back after owning nicer Sub homages). Glad to see some other options for a Sub here.
Thanks for that - all those are good options!
Great review...I have the Invicta Pro Diver, no complaints, keeps great time and it's one of my favorites. I also have one of the first gen Ginault, I bought it as I just sold my Armida Mil Sub and bought the Ginault for its build quality and the glide lock clasp. Can't fault either for my needs as they both are solid. I might get a Steinhart 39 Vintage Red for its "Acceptable" status of homage but for now I'm happy with just wearing what I have. Btw I don't regret what I paid on the Ginault, I've paid more for a Mark || that I never personally bonded with. Wear what makes you happy.
Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences - much appreciated!
Them all being synchronised makes me strangely happy
Thanks - put that down to my OCD :)
I've noticed that as the vid started lol. Happy second hand sweeping!!!!
Great video! Love the Steinhart!
Love from Philadelphia
Brian
Thanks for the Brian! Cheers, Ivan.
I bought the Tevise a few months ago as a bit of fun - it's amazing for the money but obviously does not stand up against the others in this review. I've also bought the latest version of the Phoibos and I love it. Quality is excellent (although I agree weakest point is the clasp). My Phoibos also has the octopus logo on the dial, which I love. I know some people hate the octopus tho.
Thanks for sharing that Chris. Glad you are enjoying the latest Phoibos. This version with plainer dial and shark case back seems somewhat cooler but I do hear the quality in the new one is better. Too bad Phoibos refuse to send me any more watches after I did a negative review of the Wavemaster :(
@@PerthWAtch the new one is absolutulely stunning! >10 coats of superluminova, sapphire, ceramic etc. Only weird thing is, so much AR coating that the black dial actually looks blueish.
Ah a pity I don't have one at hand to compare with the old model... that'd be an interesting juxtaposition to do!
Nice to see them all lined up, thanks for the video. My choice would always be to save and save and save and get the real deal. It's a watch for a lifetime and an icon that will never die.
Thanks for that Watch On... a good sound approach I think - the Rolex should outlast anything here and will also hold value better than just about any other watch in the world.
Great comparison....great channel!
Thanks man, appreciate the support! :)
They must have improved the Tevise. Mine I just got is black coated metal with a black, maybe anodized bracelet, and a one pusher clasp lock.
The only thing I have to complain about is the rotor of the moment. It needs too much force to rotate so it's pointless to put it on a wonder - it won't rotate and wind the spring that way. You really have to shake it strongly to make the rotor move.
Also the bezel alignment is OK on mine (it's usually a matter of the inlay being aligned properly before glued on AFTER the bezel is mounted).
I don't see the advantage in a 120 click bezel when all you do is timing by minutes, 60 clicks is just fine.
Thanks for sharing those observations. Actually I don't think there's been much difference... the clasp varies randomly it seems, and the rotor problem has been consistently reported by owners. The bezel alignment on mine was ok enough I didn't notice an issue.
To me 120 clicks is one of those things that's "nice to have". Like screw adjustment bracelets, solid end-links, perfect aligned bezels, glide-lock clasps... none are necessary but definitely great to have :)
Got one a week ago, the entire watch is black and the rotor takes so much effort to rotate.
It's aight for a daily beater but I'll fix my Invicta soon.
great video, nicely done sir! 👏👏
Thank you - very kind of you! :)
My newly purchased invicta (same model as above ) has tendency to stop despite proper energy reserve, any explanations?
Hi there. Might be a sticky crown stem that's not engaging well, or a problem with the oscillator... either way you should be able to get a replacement if it's problematic like that.
I like and subscribed because you are thorough, detailed and include reference material that follows your video and shifts on index. Easy subscription decision and work ethics like yours should be rewarded!
Thank you very much for the encouraging comment - I am glad you found this helpful! :)
Nice selection of watches. After seeing quite a few reviews of the Invicta 8927 OB watch which many seem to like with few dislikes except for the watch snobs I have just ordered one from Amazon UK which should arrive in the next three days. The clincher for me buying it was it having the Seiko movement which is hackable and from all the reviews I have seen very accurate. The price was also another clincher at £69 reduced in a sale from £92, a bargain at that price and half that I would pay on Amazon for a Seiko 5.
As I don't particularly swim or dive with a watch the water resistant is not an issue. I wear a watch because I enjoy them, even the Seiko 5's that I have. Thanks for posting this interesting review of these homage watches.
Thanks for sharing that, that's great to hear! Well I'm sure you will enjoy the watch... Invicta are fantastic value for money, thus far still unparalleled in my experience! Cheers, Ivan.
Thanks for your reply Ivan. Since I received my Invicta 8927OB I am really enjoying wearing it, it's much nicer seeing it in reality and the accuracy is really good straight out of the box at around six seconds a day. I have now also purchased the Invicta 8928OB blue version and that is also a great watch for the price. Thanks again for your wonderful informative videos.
Very happy to hear that, glad you are loving it. The blue version is also very good looking, and IMO perhaps slightly more pretty! :)
It is difficult to consider the Ginault due to the lack of transparency involved.
I went with the Steinhart. There are a couple things that they could have done better, but it isn't a major issue for me.
Yes absolutely fair point... I probably wouldn't have forked out personally myself, but others seem happy...
I have the Phobos great white, I didn’t buy it an “homage” a term that is new to me I just wanted a robust good looking dive watch. So far I am really happy with it. It did stop once on me, but I unscrewed the crown and Han wound it and it has been fine ever since. The bezel is really good better than some more expensive watches I have looked at, I was very tempted by the Steinhart but I think the Phobos is better value. Around the same time I also bought a Certina titanium DS action diver and that is extremely good too.
Thanks for sharing that John. When it stopped perhaps the power reserve had just ran down? Glad you have enjoyed it - many people have been critical about the lug finished and bezel seating in particular, so it seems there are some QC issues... mine has been fine also though. Cheers, Ivan.
Yes I think when it stopped it had run right down and I should of hand wound it some more. It does keep pretty good time. Cool your name is Ivan because my middle name is Ivan
Thanks for that John - how interesting... as I understand it Ivan is a Russian equivalent of John (?)! :)
Hi... Any thoughts on the Phoibos and Tissel homages?... How closer or less close are these to the real thing than the Stainhart?
The Tisell is very close to the Phoibos and would make an excellent head to head comparison if ever I get one in hand :)
Have the steinhart ovm 1.0.
Just love it.
The style, the quaility is great from 2014 not served yet but still keeps great time. 👍
Thanks for that - I do like the style of the ver 1.0 OVM... I believe that's actually appreciating in value on the secondary market, something that's not easy to achieve for a micro-brand. The ETA 2824 movement is a reliable workhorse and will usually go well beyond 10 years before needing attention (although brands recommend 5 year service I think).
Good vid, i've got the Steinhart OVM mk1 with the 200m on the face and case back, keeps great time and looks the part too. The bezel is the best looking one around with all second markers, wish more manafactuers would do the same. The OVM, so simple and basic looking it's stunning.
Thanks for sharing.
PS. It's "OVM"
Oops.. my bad..
Perlative Cerenometer...
Might as well inscribe Superlaxative Ceremonial LOL
Hahahaha I love that!! :D
Most informative, thank you.
Most welcome!
HARD to beat the reliability of an Invicta Automatic, they virtually go on forever...
Thank you again Seiko :)
I’ve had 3 Invictas, and they’re horrible watches, but hey look good but that’s about it. Steinhart is 100 times better watch.
Great review Perth Watch, you kept me interested the whole time even if I am not into homage pieces. I definitely am of the opinion that Steinhart offers the most quality/dollar (in spite of the bracelet).
Thanks for that Daniel - yeah I think the mid range here is a very sweet spot in the value proposition... the Phoibos is pretty darn good too! Cheers, Ivan.
thanks for the review. I'm leaning towards steinhart ocean 1
Most welcome bro :)
Ser Guitarist ive got mine coming tomorrow. very cheap for what youre getting
awesome, will be getting mine this Sunday
Does the tevis function properly when swimming at a depth of 5 meters?
Haha yes it will function until enough water gets in to stop it working :)
Seriously I don't think it will stand the test of swimming on the surface!
Nice review.. My favorite homage is the Giganet Sea Ground G2 007 Vintage .. Quality build and performance and look on the wrist. for 190USD .. In my opinion on par with Steinhart..The only down side is the mineral crystal.. That said good for 300m
Thanks for that - others have mentioned Gigandet also, and it seems very fair for the price... however, on par with Steinhart? Just to note Steinhart pieces which start at around twice that price have (along with aforementioned sapphire) ceramic inserts (most models), screw link bracelets, and use Elabore grade Swiss ETA movements which are typically amazingly well regulated. I think Gigandet is more comparable to Invicta to be honest...
I have sold under NAFTA for decades. Its in the details of how that is calculated. What is added in, ie warehousing, inventory, even workers uniforms get into calcs. How long inventory is in said country, list is long.
I want to try out a Tevise, am reluctant to go for any of the gold versions simply as some of these Chinese watches have like a painted on gold that washes off on a damp morning but I do like the Tevise automatic chrono in gold and black in a subbie type setting. I would love to know if the Tevise gold tone is resilient or not. Recently acquired with the intention of nicking the bezel and strap a Military Royale "subbie" homage, £13.88 for a automatic with overwind slipper, clean glass and clear date lens, bezel is metal insert and its keeping startlingly good time so its now a wearer with the only difference to the Tevise being a non sunburst black dial and the name.
The Tevise gold is not resilient and will come off on a good scratch, but will be OK on damp mornings :)
Thanks for the review
Thanks for that Chris :)
Entertaining video 👍 thanks Ivan 😁
Thanks James - glad you enjoyed it :)
I've got the OB Invicta and I love it. Nice heft, Seiko movement and very accurate.
Thanks for sharing that... I reckon Invicta offer incredible value and is astounding for under $100! :)
Same here, mine has gained about 3 minutes in the last 17 days which I suppose isn't bad. These NH35A movements can be more fine tuned for accuracy relatively easily apparently,...although I'm not prepared to do that yet.
Well, when you're ready for it, I gotta a couple of videos that might help :)
I know invicta make some terrible quartz fashion watches but I have no problem wearing my Invicta submariner as often as my expensive Speedmaster, personally I have no problem with the logo stamped into the side.
Thanks for those thoughts - I mostly agree! :)
Have you reviewed any monta divers? I love their sky quest offering!
No haven’t had a Monta yet... I keep meaning to reach out to them...
Invicta have so many models it's impossible to distinguish them.
Some are very similar - can always see the model number on the case back :)
The invicta is on sale for 54 and has a Seiko movement a steal at that price
Indeed, Invicta value is nigh on unparalleled!
Its 400 bucks here in Sydney wtf!
Sure it is, but *nobody* should pay MSRP, even for Rolex.
@@OLOLAK_7777 Australia has become outrageouly expensive compared to the early 90's
Waiting for an Invicta with an Invicta movement. Then maybe.
I have a invicta 8928 coin edge runs at about + 5 seconds a day no problems for over 2 years.
I would have liked to see the invicta Swiss made pro Diver with the eta 2824 for about 225 . A lot of upgrades over the cheaper Pro diver please consider doing a review on that walk thank you very much
Thanks for sharing that. The Swiss Made Invicta - isn't that with a Sellita movement? Anyway it's a no brainer for me... I will *definitely* review it if it comes across my hands! My review pieces generally come from collaborations and people who are willing to lend to me :)
Perth WAtch don’t think so .but I could be wrong
Perth WAtch you can get them on eBay but you have to be very careful for fakes.. You can get them also on Evine live It’s a shopping station kind of like QVC or something like that and they also have an app for android and Apple
Oh yeah I know where to get it if I wanted to actually buy one... what I meant was I don't buy watches much these days as there are plenty of collaboration pieces coming in. I have some choice sometimes but more well known brands are generally borrowed from people I know.
Would have loved to see the Squale1545 in there....
Yeah, good point, the Squale would've been nice to have... alas I don't know anyone who has one I could've used...
Where do the Orient Ray II and the Parnis fit in this line-up?
Orient doesn't fit IMO, it's much more an original design. Parnis would match closely against Invicta.
You should look into gigandet! Seiko NH35a sub homages with 300m waterproofing, really hefty watch, great finishing, great bezel and accuracy for their 149€ MSRP. I would say it's the best value of all the sub homages, honestly.
Thanks for that - I have heard vaguely before and have now taken a closer look... the movement is the same as the $70 Invicta, accuracy is highly variable usually but can be "great", otherwise materials wise doesn't look to be any better... apart from 300m WR (which doesn't make a difference for 99.99% of people) I'm not sure at all that it's better than the Invicta... but if one comes to hand I will be sure to compare them!
Which one has the best mechaanics movement ?
Steinhart
I have owned many different Incicta watches over the years and most of them being bought used from the pawn shops. That being said I have not one single complaint on any of Invicta's watches. There are of the highest quality for the money I've spent. I have owned Tissot, Tag, Omega, and Movado and my favorite watches by far are all Invicta especially their Swiss automatic movement's on certain models. I have recently bought and Android model ad553ak with a solid tungsten case and saphire crystal front and back. This is a far superior watch to anything I've owned so far including my fine Swiss time pieces. This watch is nearly indestuctable and is about 99% unscratchable in both the case and the crystal. Please do a review of these watches they are slightly higher priced with used ones around 150-200 USD but I think you'll find an amazing watch with some high end features at a reasonable price!!!!! Thanks for the great reviews by the way and I'm definitely going to give steinhart a try after seeing your comparison here!!!
Thanks for sharing that Jason... glad you have enjoyed Invicta watches as much as I have, they really are very difficult to surpass in terms of sheer bang for buck.
The Android watch looks interesting... however I'm not in a position to put money into watches for reviews, so will have to rely on one of my collaborators bringing it into stock, or someone to lend me one. Cheers, Ivan.
@@PerthWAtch Invicta are an enemy upon themselves. Some of there watches like the Pro Diver are well made with great movements at fantastic prices.
But!! Some of their models are just plain ugly & way, way to many. Also with there RRP pricing. Is really just plan stupid.
I have 2 Invicta's. a I-Force that I have had since 2011. Changed the battery once & keeps time really. really well. And a S1 Rally Chronograph.
Which is also a great watch and accurate to 1-2 secs a month...
Pick the right Invicta's. And they will keep very well for many years
Yes absolutely agree with that... they have way way too many models, numbering into hundreds which is ridiculous, and many have plain bad designs. And yep, that pricing strategy is weird, and something I can't make sense of... it's almost like a random number generator plays a role there!
Yep true.. Don't understand the whole of having a watch with a listed RRP of say $500. When everyone know's that you can easily get it for around the $100 mark..
@@PerthWAtch Hey Ivan,
If you're interested in doing a review I would be willing to let you borrow my Android for a week or whatever you need to review it I would be happy to mail my watch along with return postage so you could do a proper review and post it on you TH-cam channel. Let me know if that would interest you and if so we will get that plan in motion!!! Thanks!!!
I recently bought the Tevise on the recommendation of another TH-camr. What a disappointment. The case back was shattered upon arrival and after cleaning out the broken bits eventually got it to work. It gained a minute per hour and the power reserve was under five hours. I bought the one with the green dial so people would know that it was not a fake Rolex (I have never seen a green Submariner in real life). For the same price point, one could buy a Casio MDV-106. It is actually a water resistant diver that is not pretending it is something that it is not.
Thanks for sharing your experience again... this sounds familiar, did you share this on my Tevise review also? Sorry to hear about that, it's very unsatisfactory... I hope you were able to get a refund for that. There is a green Rolex Sub actually... it's either an anniversary or limited edition, not common, but it exists. And yes, the Tevise is no dive watch... and I would caution anyone against using it even with showering.
Casio MDV-106 is twice the price point. You probably got a damaged product.
what do you guys think about smart watches?
Many enthusiasts consider them mobile phone extensions rather than watches as such. Certainly no long term value in terms of horology, and also only short term value in terms of function and becoming obsolete...
Tevise - "Perlative Ceronometer". Classy.
Genius one might say :)
But, they are not lying there.
Haha yeah not a lie, just made up words! :)
Some of the other similar cheap models from Shark Army say "Superlative Chronometer"......It's the Chinese attempt (Albeit poor attempt) at using poorly translated English buzz words as a marketing strategy. Sort of like the dry cleaning business downtown that says "Super Cowboy Rocket Ship Clean Cleaners #1"
Actually I don't think it's translated... it's more likely to be deliberate use of made up words that sounds like the real "superlative chronometer" to mislead/deceive.
Great job Ivan!
Thank you again for the positive feedback!
I should be getting my Sewor soon. Its been over month since I ordered it.
Haha well I hope it arrives soon and in good order for you! I held back getting one of those as I can't stand the name - seriously why didn't they get some feedback on that!?
Latrine was taken. 🤣
Fantastic review. It was really nice to see all of these in one place, going head to head; I especially liked the spreadsheet at the end. Thank you for a great video :)
Thanks for that Jeff! Glad you enjoyed it and found it informative! :)
Couldn't agree more! Fabulous!
Thanks, happy to hear you liked it :)
Hi, what is the best budget purchase, Invicta or Phoibos?
No absolutely right answer here I think... they are both very good buys and you get what you pay for :)
@@PerthWAtch Thx 😉
I'will try with the Invicta..
All the best - I'm sure you'll enjoy it :)
I believe phobies used to say the billions of dollars of watch parts made in Cina & shipped to Switzerland begs the question how much of Swiss made is truely Swiss. Remember the trade definitions of made in are very creative.
The requirement for "Swiss made" IIRC is that 50-60% of the value cost of creating the watch is incurred in Switzerland, and that it is cased up in Switzerland. I think it used to be 50% but has been increased to 60% some time ago. I also think this is much less meaningful than say man-hours of manufacturing a watch, which if such a metric is used may in fact show that only 10-20% is incurred in Switzerland...
Unless we are talking about brands that are known to make all the parts in house like Rolex, Swiss made doesn't mean much. To meet the requirements, the bracelet and case can be sourced in China to be assembled with the parts.
Yep, even most the movement parts can be sourced from elsewhere. In my reading, one could pay a Swiss “master” $100 to put in a wheel on a $160 movement (with everything else made elsewhere) and still meet requirements!
Great Review!
Thanks man :)
Great review
Thanks :)
Or Blancpain 50 fathoms homage, because i have heard a few people say the Rolex sub was a 50 fathoms homage?
Kind of, but no question these are more a directly copy of Sub design features.
Have you looked at Loreo as an inexpensive diver automatic. They claim German technology but its Chinese, though not so cheap as Tevise, about the same price as Invicta. I would like to know your opinion, if you know about them.
Haven't come across Loreo myself actually, but certainly will take a closer look if one comes across my hands. Have you tried looking on a good forum like WUS? Usually can find some helpful feedback there.
The first one, as regular watch nothing more is it good?
Not really very good - check out my full review
@@PerthWAtch Yeah i have read more about it, i find pagani would be best, i just need 'line' from somebody to bring it to me, because shipping to my country is more expensive than watch..
I would with out a doubt purchase an Invicta watch. Does anyone know how well their shipped and delivered or even perhaps their delivery system?
Standard post with courier option I would assume
Also, there is a CORGEUT homage to Tudor BB with miyota non-hacking movement. The problem with cheap Asian watches like Tevise here are the main and balance springs. These are the most complicated part of any mechanical watch in regards of materials used for its production. It must be made of a special thermo and magnetic resistant alloys and must provide a constant vector of power when its winded tight or when its loose. a good balance spring costs at least 10 dollars to make and that what you will not find in a 20 dollars watch. Unless its a Vostok LOL
Thanks for those insights! Very helpful to know and true to my understanding also. Good point about the cost of a good balance spring... Vostok don't cost $20 do they??
$12.32 an approximate production price for the 31 jewels Vostok movements.
That, my friend, is simply *incredible* !
Take a look at the Phoibos 300 m quartz diver. Model number -002. Best watch I have ever owner, most gorgeous, most accurate, best fit and finish, perfect size, amazing lume light blue. Love it. Cost? Got mine for $119 on Amazon. Awesome watch!
Awesome, thanks for sharing that, glad you've had a great experience with the Watch! :)
Bought that same watch used from eBay for $70. LOVE IT!
That quartz watch is the best value! Period.
I have invicta pro diver. Bought new for $70.00. Love it. Only flaw I found was lume - common issue low cost. But i just can take to local watch maker & it coss between $50 - $70.00 cnd.
Thanks for sharing that Vince... I reckon Invicta represents astounding value for under $100!
Its all matter of taste and of course budget but If you know how to mod a watch, invicta would be a best choice all of these 5 watches or if you dont know how, just get a phoibos or steinhart.
Thanks for that - you make good points! Curious to know - what particular mods have you tried out on an Invicta? I haven't opened that "can of worms" myself for fear that even more time will disappear into this hobby! :)
Perth WAtch superlume dial and hand sets you can check dagaz watch for that, and of course remove that ugly invicta logo with dremel :) there are couple -how to- videos on youtube.
Thanks for getting back about those - useful to know for when I venture in that forest :)
Owne the steinhart for 3 years now,still going strong! Is it my favorite watch? No but its a great watch for the money.
Wouldn't it be interesting when there is homage for the handmade GS, whether 9S, 9R, or 9F?
Are you referring to a Grand Seiko homage? Which model did you have in mind?
@@PerthWAtch Any, and, 9S would 63,64, 85, 86 to be specific.
how do you set the seconds on the tevise watch
“Back wind hacking”
Perth WAtch i trued this but i have a tevise and it doesn’t work what do i do
Try when power reserve is low... once wound up more you can’t do it
Excellent review. I have two Steinhart. I ordered directly from the them a jubilee bracelet. I love that the Steinhart bracelets have screws. But they have a drawback. The bracelet I received was machined so tightly I basically had to ruin the bracelet to get the screws out. It was a disaster. Done by machine of course. Very frustrating. I made such a ruckus with Steinhart about it I think they are going to make good on it, but a huge waste of time n frustration. I got email from Mr. Steinhart himself. They need to rethink how tight the machines are winding those screws. It's a mess...
Is it done by machine? I thought it wasn't... some bracelets have some sort of locking adhesive when they ship. That's caused me to damage some in the past.
@@PerthWAtch agreed. I now have 5 steinharts, love the quality
Nice... Thanks...
Cheers mate
I guess the Tisell Marine Diver would be somewhere in between the Phoibos and the Steinhart, but closer to the Steinhart than the Phoibos end of the scale.
I would say it's pretty much a direct rival to the Phoibos... with main difference being a better bracelet (yet the Tisell has been slightly cheaper). Steinhart is a level above these.
you should do a review on the Reginald green dial 'hulk'
Seems like a good looker for $30, would be interesting to see how it feels in hand, but looks like it's quartz (?)
I imagine you live in Perth Australia correct? Do you know if there are any SEIKO authorised dealers in the city? All I see is stores selling fashion watches.
Hi there John! Yep, right here in Perth WA! The idea of an AD for Seiko is rather different to that of Swiss brands. So in fact *Angus & Coote* are one of their main local distributors. Yep they have some "fashion" brands but that doesn't affect Seiko. *The Watch Spot* also comes up listed, heck even *David Jones* is a "premium" seller. The fact is, even if you picked it up from Prouds you would still have the usual warranty coverage (and it wouldn't be a fake). Cheers, Ivan.
Perth WAtch cool I will be visiting Perth on Wednesday through to the week after next week. So I will check them out. I live in China atm and the nearest dealers are in Shanghai an hours flight away. Of course I could just buy online but I want to see the Seiko Samurai before I decide to buy it. Thanks for your advice.
No worries mate - all the best!
I got the same tevise for 12€, I couldn’t let it pass. My clasp is different
Yeah there are least two variations of the clasp that I have seen... doesn't seem to be any guarantee of what you will get, but hey it's 20 bucks! :)
Very nice review!
My regards to jody!
Thanks bro! :)
Would you recommend a steinhart GMT COKE?
I’m planning to buy one.
Quality wise it's absolutely fine I think, but to be honest not really to my taste... I much rather prefer the Ocean Titanium 500 GMT.
What size bracelet do the Tevise use ??
Are you referring to the lug width? That would be 20mm.
Perth WAtch its if i want to chance the strap to another one in leather? Then am i correct it most be one in 20mm
Yes that's correct.
Hi Perth! Is there any invicta pro diver model of different color with rolex submariner?
Hope you can answer me!✌️
Yes there is
Oh really? Let me know Perth! I have been searching one for my collection!!!
Btw, thanks for ur review and reply!👍
Just search for Invicta Pro Diver on my channel or on Google mate.
I've only just noticed that the Invicta doesn't have the number 10 on the bezel, that's pretty bizarre
Nah, not bizarre at all actually when you consider that this scalloped bezel style is inspired by the Omega SMP 300M bezel.
I’ll take one of each!
Excellent choice sir, it suits you well!
This Video is simply DOPE! Thank you for such amazing insight! :D
Awesome man, glad you liked it and found it helpful! :)
Rolex is overpriced. All these watches have better value than Rolex Sub. You don't need to spend 8k-20k for a Rolex Sub.
Thank you for the comment - I'm sure you're not alone in feeling that sentiment! :)
You can wear a Rolex too in the near future.
I have worn one in the past and I can wear one right now (just gotta fetch it from the safe)... what's your point?
Thats what people who cant afford the real thing say.
@@Oakleyworld
The average Rolex buyer is actually (lower) middle class. Most buyers live in households with a total income between annual $50-100K.
www.statista.com/statistics/248172/affluent-americans-who-owned-rolex-jewelry/
Rich people generally buy moderately priced watches such as Seiko or Citizen or (expensive) brands the average person has never heard of.
Almost bought the tevise because I love all submariner homages but the perlative cerometer thing just made me burst laughing so its a no no it would just have been better if they put automatic thats it what a shame
Haha yeah fair enough... well I can tell you you're not missing out on a whole lot by giving the Tevise a miss :)
So we're not gonna talk about the glitter clasp cover on the Invicta? No? Okay then... 😂
Nope, coz I already have ;)
(But FYI it's just a film to protect the clasp, the area most likely to scratch up on a desk.)
As Homages go, a primo replica should not be overlooked. Invicta the best of the lineup, 40m, comfy on wrist, and best Rolex look, NH mvmnt a winner and almost free ($80). Most do not buy any of the 5 to dive. Although quartz not mentioned, the Casio Duro Marlin is a beauty. Enjoyed and subed. JP in LA
Thanks for those comments and for the support - much appreciated! Some good insights you have shared there! I reviewed the Duro not so long ago too - it's a good one! Cheers, Ivan.
Great vid! I have a Tisell Marine Diver what are your thoughts on it? 😊
Thanks for that - I think Tisell is very much the competition point that the Phoibos is targeted at. I have heard that it is an excellent watch. If I get my hands on one, I shall definitely do a comparison video between the two!
Perth WAtch Defiantly, Sapphire crystal, excellent cyclops great lume for around €260 not bad only thing is the bezel action is a bit rough and the rotor is loud but I like hearing it working, i'd love to see that thanks man 😊
Hi! I saw your video. Very nice. What do u think about Tevise? I want to buy Tevise, 22 dollars?! Is it worth...price and quality?!
Check out my full review of the Tevise and see what you think :)
try to take a look on Phoibos 002 if you dont like automatic as me, the best watch i ever had in this price!
Which Phoibos 002 are you referring to? Full model number please?
@@PerthWAtch Phoibos PX002C
That's an OK model... if you don't mind quartz it's a fine choice ;)
@@PerthWAtch and that is why i like it (quartz) hahaha
Steinhart watches are the best hommage available their 39 and 42mm fit and finish are outstanding their eta movements are as good as any on the market at a reasonable price point.
They are one of the best for sure. People also bring up Squale very frequently. The Ginault is no slouch either.
Does the phoibos have the same polish and shine as the tevise?
The Tevise is all polished while the Phoibos is mixed brushed and polished surfaces. Phoibos finishing is better, but the Tevise is a very low bar to jump over!
Perth WAtch yea the tevise looks perfect for me, I just ordered the phoibos and was just curious if they both look like th3 same on the wrist
In my opinion the tevise looks very expensive from a distance so was just curious if the phoibos looked expensive also
I see... all the best, hope you enjoy it! :)
arrived today...The Tevise looks much better on wrist, therefore i will be returning the Phoibos...i didnt like the smaller case size and the new logo on the face...gonna try a Parnis next and see if i have more luck..keep in mind i bought the phoibos quartz version
Absolutely and without doubt, no one here would ever shell out the coin to sport an actual Rolex 5517 MilSub... so wear those Steiny OVM’s with pride and confidence!👌
Было бы уместно использовать для обзора Invicta 8932OB
Thank you for the request - if someone lends it to me I will definitely review it! :)
I own 3 Steinharts and can't recommend them enough. Fantastic value for money. Swiss made with a Swiss movement and great build quality. Just go and buy 1 before they increase in value due to ETA supply drying up....
Thanks for that - yeah that's a good point about potential tightening of ETA supply!