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Thank you for watching guys and thank you to all of you who suggested this video, I had a lot of fun making this one. Tomcats Forever.
Please do a Rafale vs F15 EX, BVR and dogfight video!!!
Also make a vid on EA18G Growler!!
Please also make a video on F18 Super Hornet vs Chinese J 10 , BVR and dogfight!
As India is mulling over buying F18s for the Navy and this could be a plausible scenario!
Also for Indian Airforce MMRCA deal, we are looking at Rafale and F15EX, so please make Vs video on BVR and Dogfight!
I have a request can you do a Zone 5 Campaign with all the flying skills of the F14. I would pay to watch that 😂
I was hoping you'd do a video like this after the last F14 vs Su57 video. Thanks, it was cool to watch!
Hi GS! Love the vids! SERIOUS question: Could you not pull the F-14 vertical sharply and use rudder and the same side engine to literally yaw around 180°? I thought that it may work because your lift surfaces area acting as an airbrake (like a Cobra maneuver) but momentum carried you along that lateral vector for a short time. During that time, I thought you might be able to "flip a yuee." Your thoughts?
F-14 seems to be able to do some really impressive stuff going “off the book"….differential thrust, manual wing sweep, jamming the flaps etc.
And there's a reason all of these maneuvers are off the book: they all have a high chance of damaging or even crashing the airplane.
@@mscheese000 When you are fighting for your life, though....
F14 user manual says only Tom Cruise can do these maneuvers
@@mscheese000 to be fair though, in a fight for your life the books go out the window
Bear in mind that until year 2000, over 140 F-14s were already lost due to mishaps. That's half the total fleet. Meaning, it already had its issues without anyone trying to pile up new problems by going off the book.
I’m someone who is a geek for planes, but not nearly enough for a flight sim or anything to set it up. You’re able to bridge the gap for me man, it’s insane how you’re able to keep these vids extremely simple while also explaining everything going on. It’s seriously awesome my man, keep up the good work.
Thanks brother, I appreciate you coming to watch the videos. much love
I thought I was the only one. lol
for real, GS turned me into a nerd with 0 experience and all talks xD
Great comment. I couldn’t agree more. I used to geek out on pictures of the cockpits of my favorite jets. Now I get to experience them in action thanks to GS. These videos are endlessly entertaining.
Honestly, this. It’s awesome to watch.
I was a little surprised that Maverick called out that maneuver because it's a real dogfighting technique we sometimes do in dogfightings. I used it flying C-model Eagles in a pinch but you have to master it or you can outmaneuver yourself. It was also height and speed dependent because of stalling, recovery time and possible loss of departure. Loss a fighter in a CAT-A training cycle will get you grounded.
You had a pretty good approach and your explanation was on target. You use this in close quarter ACM battle, one circles, to make an unconventional move and usually will only get one bite of the apple because if your opponent notice, they will counter it if you try it a second time...
I’m surprised that it works on an F-15, the thrusters are next to each other on the centreline, the differential would seem very minimal compare to an F-14 with wider set thrusters.
That would mean the maneuvers works with F-18 too right?
@@CoffeeMatt10 It works for the F-15 BECAUSE the engines are close together. The differential isn't trying to rip apart the plane or induce flat spin as much as it would in the F-14.
@@guts-141 it works with the F-15 because its powerful lol
Splitting throttles was originally done by Richard Bong during WW2 in his P-38. It worked pretty darn good for him.
Dick Bong is the coolest name I’ve ever heard.
The split throttles move only reliably works in limited BFM circumstances with the GE F-110 motors. Trying it with the TF-30s (as Mavericks jet had in the movies) is ordering a compressor stall combo meal with a side of flat spin and aircrew ejection.
Not if you are maverick hehe
lmao
@@caimanaraujo479 Plot armor trumps everything.😂😂
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@@Pitchlock8251 Plot compresser turbo upgrade
Awesome! I was just discussing with a friend how Maverick used two distinct maneuvers in the movie against the Su-57’s: the splint throttle to rotate the big jet and the manual forward wing sweep to pull a Pugachev’s Cobra while in the canyon.
Same I was like "wouldn't it just flat spin? I wouldn't want to risk it".
@@miltechmoto I thought it was a really cleaver bit of writing to include this in the dogfight scene. Knowing that it was Iceman’s jet wash that lead to the engine compressor stall and ultimately the flat spin that killed Goose, the split throttle manoeuvre gave Maverick an opportunity to redeem himself by showing that he’s mastered control of the jet with Goose’s son in the back seat. This subtle detail would be missed by most expect for F-14 and Top Gun enthusiasts.
@@miltechmoto against an su57 dead if you don’t try everything you can
@@SupaMan2122 against Maverick, a Su-57 pilot is dead if they don’t try everything they can 😃
Except no known western aircraft is actually capable of a pugachevs cobra because your aircraft needs to be Almost purpose built to do it (like Russian jets are) and it made me mad we seen amercian jets doing VERY CLEARLY Su-33 cobras
I would like to point out that the B model has an asymmetric thrust limiter that you need to switch off to do this stuff. It is a guarded switch adjacent to the engine crank switch on the left panel. The A model doesn't have this.
I asked Dave "Bio" Baranek about this maneuver at the EAA in Oshkosh a few weeks ago and he definitely showed his apprehension. He agrees that it is possible and can be effective, but in the A model it is an extremely risky move and he would be pissed if his pilot did something like that. He loved seeing it in the movie as a varsity move by Maverick to show his extreme skill with the Tomcat, though.
Super helpful comment, was actually wondering where the switch was because I noticed the same thing. Thanks.
That Tomcat stood some abuse! Grumman Iron Works!
6:55 is just poetry in motion. Beautiful shot, and I was one of those asking if this was possible myself. Even if it's not as extreme as in the movie, it's still excellent to know it can be beneficial if properly applied.
the tropic thunder plugin caught me off guard. Very nice!! 😂
I love these top gun themed uploads. Keep it up GS
Yeah Have to admit I watched it last night and we zeroed in on this too. Great Movie and a great You Tuber.
So if you’re Pete Mitchell good, it is a useful tool in desperate situations.
If you’re GS good, it’s a gamble that could go either way.
If you’re average, it is probably suicidal.
If you’re me, just hit eject while you’re still on the tarmac.
Best comment of the video here...
The F-14 was such an amazing platform, I can only imagine if the platform could be modernized with some stealth, modern avionics and engines.
The problem is things like the variable wings are obsolete these days. You'd basically just have a new jet.
@@MrEsphoenix and it woulld be very VERY EXPENSIVE
That's an F22
@@mutiracialbeatdownPB exactly... the F14 was the Raptor of its day
@@MrEsphoenix I think it's less obsolete than that under current technology the weight and complexity outweigh the benefits. However if you could find a way to lighten it up and make it simpler you could be on to something. Say, a magnetic system rather than a mechanical one.
the exterior and interior of the Tomcat just hits me right in the meow meow--just so achingly gorgeous
Loved the dump and burn. You haven't lived until you saw a F111 do this at high speed.
F-14 will always be my favorite Airframe. Just beautiful. A very capable fighter. Imagine if was updated with modern avionics.
That would be something. It's amazing how a jet can simultaneously look beautiful, mean and menacing depending on the angle it's viewed from
Thanks for demonstrating something that my Dad and my Grandfather have talked about for years....
The Tomcat really has a "Bag of Tricks" that is rarely talked about and, since it happened in a movie, people tend not to believe...
Great video as always!
Yeah, I've done the split throttle maneuver... I ended up in a really nasty flat spin. Because I over exaggerated it. I managed to recover at 1500 feet above the ground. Just barely.
Also, you had perfect timing for releasing this video because I finished top gun 2 maybe 45 seconds before you dropped this video. I was watching it with my son.
Nice! Yeah the movie was really good, I watched it in iMax with my father
@@rickybobby9649 Watching it in IMax would be pretty epic.
Saw the movie and didn’t Know the F14 still had some tricks under its sleeves 😂
Under its claws. 😆
That Tomcat rattle never gets old.
Your last Top Gun video was all about conventional flying. This one is more like Tom Cruise!
That split throttle turning goes back to WW2 and the P-38 Lighting. Really skilled pilots could pull it off and almost pivot the aircraft in place.
The Tropic Thunder clip was the best visual effect of what was happening there.
You better thank your F-14 properly for putting you in a perfect shooting position at 10:00 after you put her in a flat spin and got her shot up
man! that old girl still has some pretty impressive tricks!!! i love the f14!!
Tom’s tomcat in the movie even grew ailerons when he performed split throttle maneuver!
Differential thrust is really a form of primitive TVC, only just in the yaw plane. So it's essentially 1D TVC, but with judicious use of rudder and maneuvering flaps, you can probably turn it into 'almost' 2D TVC. I'd definitely work on that skill until you know just how to ride it, because once you got it down it's kinda like turning your Tomcat into a Raptor Tomcat hybrid, like a Tomptor, or maybe a Raptom, or even a...
.... _RAPCAT!_
🤣🤣
I was är an airshow yesterday in Uppsala Sweden, where they flew, amongst others, a F/A-18 from Finland, Gripen (C), Viggen, Draken, Lansen and Tunnan. They also had a Spitfire and a Mustang. And a very cool show with a Blackhawk. And on the ground they had Gripen E, a Eurofighter and a Tornado. It was a very nice show!
When I was a young kid (6th grade) I wrote a story about being an ace pilot in an F-14 who (though I didn't know the terminology) used differential thrust tactics to take out his bodies. This video pretty much validates that whole story.
I absolutely loved that scene in the movie. Looks so cool. The tomcat has such a presence in flight.
Always love seeing my old bird do some crazy nonsense to score a kill. Anytime, Baby!
I’ve been doing this for quite some time in the Hornet even with the engines so tight together. You can put it into a complete flat spin. It’s one of those things I practice in air show lobbies.
That tropic thunder cut though 😆 🤣
I actually got my PC from Apex with your discount! It's really an amazing PC with amazing quality. I get over 100+ FPS when playing DCS. Thank you GS!
It almost kind of looks like baby's first thrust vectoring, the differential thrust thing.
"With great differential power, come great differential responsibility"
GS thank you for making this video! I was one of the many that requested it.
I hope when you do your periodic tomcat refreshers you keep working on this and we can see you eventually master it and perhaps become unbeatable in an F14
Glad I got a alert. Always touch and go.
i love that squeak and rattle sound when the f14 pulls high G turns
Awesome, the close-up shots to showcase the differential thrust were among the most beautiful Tomcat scenes on your channel. Seems to be the horizontal Cobra equivalent, squeezing out some extra degrees for a turn but bleeding off speed and subsequently getting shot down IF the fight goes on and you don't shoot the bandit down. BTW: Tacview would have been interesting in terms of turn rates etc...
The Tropic Thunder cut caught me off guard 😂
No one going to talk about that smooth transition to jack black in tropic thunder
when you ejected near the ground that clip of tropic thunder had me dying XD
Robert Downey Jr to GS, “You went full differential thrust. Never go full differential thrust.”
That round 3 kill was some differential thrust ninja shit!
Awesome, was really hoping you'd do a video on this after reading those comments from the last top gun vid. Great work!
Thank you Growling for showing me this stuff, I use this to learn about aircraft and how they work so again i must thank you so much for being an amazing teacher.
@5:22 the addition of that Tropic Thunder scene! 😆😆😆
This Dude's Videos got me to start playing DCS
10:00 did you use differential thrust at this moment. That manuever was really incredible and not something i usually see with the F-14, and kind of reminds me of the F-22's falling leaf
Looked like he stalled and recovered quickly
Compressor stall
It looks like understanding and mastering an aircrafts flaws and using them to your advantage @growlingsidewinder
@@caimanaraujo479 no a compressor stall is very noticeable in the 14A he is flying the 14B, That was just departed flight with a recovery
Absolutely loved the tail-end perspective.
Richard Bong did something similar with P38 in WW2. Was able to make it turn on a dime
You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting.
Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements.
Also make it bandit unknown so you have to choose your jet carefully.
This person is really committed
does russia even have enough playable jets in DCS?
I went looking for someone to comment on this maueuver from the movie and amazingly you answered it 12 hours ago! Many thanks.
I didnt realize how entertaining these videos were gonna be. Been binge watching. Very cool and looks like fun.
Finally, i always wanted to see if that was possible
You can actually do the thing the su 57 did in a f14. You need to be around 300-350 knots and pull the stick full back, left or right Rudder and opposite stick position. And pull the engine back on idle on the side you put the rudder in. The only small negative aspect is that you are definitely in a spin after. BUT it looks awesome
Someone finally noticed:
"Are you splitting the throttles?!?" (Rooster).
Yo GS, thanks for this demo. "its not about the plane...its about the pilot in the box" LOL. Have a pleasant day. Cheers
That clip insertion 5:28 from tropic thunder was hilarious 😂
Absolutely killing it with these uploads
P38 'Lightning' pilots, the great ones, knew this technique.
The Lightning could out turn anything...But, you don't do it unless your turning "flat". Climbing made it even better for turning, because the Lightning was designed for climb rate. If you are rotated, thrust jocking will twist you into a spin.
Thomas McGuire especially was known for doing this.
i just finished watching your other top gun dogfight and this got uploaded, what a coincidence
I was wondering when you were going to try this. Thank you for posting this.
Lmao loved that he threw the scene from tropic thunder in there😂😂
Excellent video!! I use this technique a ton in the su27 and it's fantastic, and have tried it in the 14 but have had no luck. Glad to see another person trying it, with better success in the 14 than me.. But hey, thats what makes her special!! Kudos!!
F14 videos are just the best
That tropic thunder cameo😭💀 5:27
Rooster: Dont tell me youre inducing a flatspin?
Maverick: Youre a lot brighter than your Dad.
The F-14 was an Aircraft that could accomplish amazing thing as long as the Pilot has the Skill and the BALLS to try it the maneuvers. In the mid-90s Grumman started a project to update the Tomcats beyond the F14D and into the ST21 and Grumman actually had one demonstrator build by 1998-99 that had new Engines, Avionics and more responsive controlling surfaces that along with a poor man vector thrust system that relied more on the amount of thrust going out instead of the surfaces used by engine nozzles to sent the thrust the way the pilot wants to go. The Split Throttle move in Top Gun Maverick is something that I believe only the VERY BEST Tomcat Pilots would even have Dared to Attempt back in the days when the F14 protected the Fleet from enemy aircraft in the high seas. I was in the Navy and worked on Avionics Systems and I contacted a few Tomcat pilot that I know about the Splitting the Throttles and they told me that some had tried it during their time at Top Gun and it was Technique that was used but not recommended because it put allot of stress of the airframe but if was to be used as a last resort move in COMBAT ONLY!
TBH, this was a lot more satisfying than watching the movie!
Use differential thrust to depart into spin then opposite differential to regain. Great way to force overshoot.
Congrats on 350K subs, this channel has come a long way
I really do enjoy your videos. Been watching a while, but now that I'm retired, I can comment too. Keep em coming! I learn something every time and I'm most definitely a "cat person"!
Cheers
Hey thanks very much really appreciate the support, much love.
Remember, Tomcat is a rockstar, when it does something it doesn't need to work, it just has to look cool, then, some... times... it may work too, and then it will look even more grand...
Now All Tomcat Pilots will be useing this Method form now on
because it works
G.S. Approved.
That's some pretty fancy flying. We'll done! Great video GS.
That dump-and-burn trick made me wish for a F-111 in DCS
Hoser had a "gun kill" when the Shah wanted a fly off. The Turkey is just too versatile.
Literally spit out my coffee with that cut to Jack Black, holy shit LMAO
9:40 - oh, come on rebecca! You didn't survive that full deck gunfire.
There is a remarkable affinity with motor racing with these high performance jets...throttle control is super important.
5:25 staying with the bird into the ground would've been a preferable fate than what your pilot got there.
The Tropic Thunder thing was hilarious 😂
Love the tropic thunder clip!🤣
Excellent video :) I think it would have been cool to see an F-14 vs an F-14, one is allowed to use split throttle and the other one can't, then see if it's more beneficial or not
That camera angle you use at 3:20 was really cool to see!
Im am no pilot but i love TG Maverick, and after seeing so many videos trying to rip the combat apart, its so cool to see some one making the maneuvers work.
Considering the F15 has never been shot down, you sure shoot a lot of F15s down :)
That cut to tropic thunder had me rollin!!!!
Just have to say, this channel is a necessity in my life! Love the content man!
Thanks brother, I appreciate you.
that was so cool! it's satisfying to see some pilot work.
Nice wreckless flying ace. I've wondered this for years and finally. Thx GS. (Mav). ✅
And the Cat is still king of the hill
Legend has it everytime your intro come's on a Lybian mig-23 turns in it's grave 😂
Ah, yes, that Christmas classic: GS's Nuts Roasting On An Open Fire
Really glad you did this, was also curious about the effectiveness considering the spread compared to other twin jets. Another curiosity; any way you could overlay controls on a video or two? Mostly wanting to see your thrust management, I think it would be a great learning tool.
Image what the Super Tomcat would have been? Super!
This is what happens in “the movies.” 😳😂😂
That cooking was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣