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Turns out the split throttle thing actually can help you control the Tomcat with a lot more authority, pretty cool to see what kind of thing in the movie too. Maybe they got that advice from real pilots who did it in real life? I don't know. Super dangerous but high payoff in a dogfight. Thanks for watching guys, Much Love.
Since the engine nacelles are as widely spaced in Flankers and MiG-29s it would be worth you trying this technique in those planes as well.
I can recall an article where one F-14 Pilot shared stories of his time flying the big fighter. He mentioned that a fellow pilot of his had actually mastered the split throttle technique and could use it to execute the perfect turn with the Tomcat. He himself told that he never quite made it to that level of perfect timing, so it seems like this technique was very very difficult to execute perfectly.
I use this in Il2 2 and it is impressive how fast the 2 engine aircraft will turn doing it. That might be a fun video.
Love seeing the Cat do awesome stuff! It really is amazing what can be done if you push it.
It's been a while since you've done a warbird fight. Would love to see you do another one. Maybe something in the Fw 190?
Also, if you could explain some of the differences in how WWII dogfighting tactics differ from jet tactics, that'd be amazing. I know there are things like how the vertical is handled differently, but is there any other major difference?
Appreciate all you do! You're awesome!
Do you think the Hornet could use the same tactic?
The fact that the F-14 can, in the right circumstances, go 1-circle with a super hornet is frankly amazing.
It was an amazing aircraft
@@M167A1 Oh absolutely! Its capability only matched by its difficulty to fly it at said full capability.
Yeah and don'T forget that the DCS version is just a A and B model. Everything changed with the D. The new avionics and engines made it a totaly new airplane.
@@friendlyreptile9931 the B and D both had F110. D had the upgraded AWG radar suite. All incredible airplanes in the right hands but the GE engine made that airplane the fighter it was intended to be.
@@__-fm5qv Imagine if the Super Tomcat with fly-by-wire and vectored thrust was ever made!
9:30 Maverick was right TWICE. When he said "the enemy knows everything inside the f-18 manual too''. You used your knowledge on f-18, and exploited it in a well executed tactic.
Aha ya when he tosses the NATOPS in the trash. That was a great scene.
“I’m gonna assume you know this book inside and out?”
“Yeah!”
“Damn straight!”
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“So does your enemy.”
It’s really whichever real pilot offered the input for the film, hope we find that out someday
If he had to fight an F-18E here instead of a C the outcome might have been different
@@seeingeyegod he fought an E
The fact that the F14 seems to have so many of these unconventional tricks up it's sleeve that a seasoned pilot can employ gives it so much character in my eyes. Really cool to see how much performance you can get out of the Tomcat if you really wring it's neck out. Kinda proves the point Rooster says in the movie about it not being about the plane, but the pilot.
I recall seeing a video featuring a former F-14 pilot explaining that one of the biggest reasons the tomcat was so good as a fighter was that there were planes faster than it. There were planes that could fly slower than it. But there has never been a plane that is both faster and slower than a tomcat in a fight. It always has a place in the flight envelope where it has an advantage. And a good pilot could take that little edge and bring the plane home pretty much every time.
@@Austin-cn8vh More than that, it is effectively two planes in one. Wings swept back and swept forward, the Tomcat changes. It is a different fight.
Eagle pilots realized they could read the energy state just by wing sweep. But the wings can be swept manually, Tomcats could use manual sweep to fool Eagle drivers.
Almost every airplane can outperform its pilot, but the tomcat seems to be an extension of the pilot
I think that’s why I like older planes. They have a lot more creative tactics that can be used, while modern jets are so well designed there isn’t much creativity needed.
@@Pman353 You hear tales of novice F-35 pilots out-fighting seasoned F-16 pilots. I am not an expert in military aircraft but if that's true then isn't that a good thing?
After all it's not about looking cool. It's about winning and our boys coming home.
Im convinced TGM writers actually spoke with Top F14 pilots and asked what tricks they used with the F14s.
That Split Throttle thing is not something any writer would pull out of their ass
That's some Tom Clancy kind of writing.
I would bet money you’re correct about that. I mean we know for a fact they spoke to real pilots but the split throttle thing for sure they got from a real pilot. You’re right no writer is pulling that one out of the blue.
Maybe he's a really really good writer? lol
@@xxZerosumxx
No, no he’s not.
Pretty normal to have military advisors involved in the making of the movie. Not to mention the sheer number of naval aviators involved in Top Gun: Maverick. I'm sure there was a wealth of knowledge to pull from.
Remember guys. They didn't retire the F14 because it was junk. They retired it for cost savings. The Tomcat is one of the most impressive aircraft of its generation. It's absolutely incredible what the "Grumman Iron Works" managed to achieve. Such a huge aircraft yet so capable even in a dogfight with smaller and supposedly more agile opponents.
Cheney had it out for the cat since the 80s. When he got it killed the justification was that it was 1960s tech in a new era, it could no longer compete.
And then they sent these beautiful birds to the shredders, because allowing Iran to get any parts and keep their aging Tomcats in the air was too dangerous to the Tomcat's own replacement. SMH.
It would have been even better if the navy chose to go with the proposed upgrades to the F-14.
That, and the airframes were EOL
It’s a crime that so few Ds were built.
@@juslitor End of Life?
Remember hearing from a WW2 Lockheed Lightning veteran on a production how one of the best advantages of the lightning was split throttle, throttling back either engine allowing for greater roll reaction. The P-38 of course was a huge aircraft fighting against nimble Japanese fighter craft, so it couldn’t rate or one-circle fight any of them on equal footing, but split throttle even gave them a fighting advantage.
Yes, there was a famous mock dogfight with a Spitfire ace vs a P-38 ace, (unfortunately I forget what pilots were involved), and the Spitfire supposedly could not evade or outmaneuver the P-38 due to the tactical use of adjust the engine torque through the split-throttle).
@@ScottOmatic thats kinda rad. I can imagine the 2 locked in a downward spiral, but the Lightning using differential to keep its nose pointed at the Spit, despite its attempt to out turn it.
Yes, think Jeff Ethell mentioned his father using this tactic coupled with the maneuvering flaps in North Africa. Believe Major Richard Bong noted using this same tactic as well.
P-38 had also other advantage. It was 2 engine but contra rotating propellers. Because of that plane had no propeller counter force rolling plane at low speed or during stall condition. P-38 could literally hang on it's propellers or fly straight without wing drop during stall.
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Also, would like to see how things might look in regards to Mavericks father, Duke Mitchell, and a simulation of a F-4B vs. a MiG-17.
Wasn't his dad against half a dozen Migs?
@@TheNinjaMarmot Something like that. Maybe run the simulation where its against 3 MiG-17's...
@@TheNinjaMarmot They we’re like fireflies all over the sky. His F4 was hit, and he was wounded but he could have made it back. He stayed in it. Saved three planes before he bought it.
@@no_regerts5176 sounds more like they went for him whilst his mates did a runner
@@judyhopps9380
He was quoting Tom Skerritt...
Amazing that an older jet like the F-14 can keep up in a dogfight against more modern fighters, given a seasoned pilot and some unconventional tactics like differential thrust!
Imagine a fully digitalized F-14 with FBW (or even fly by optic), predictive algorithm... it's gonna smoke everything bar raptor
@@VuLamDang yes and that will cost more then brand new F 35.
@@VuLamDang laughs in every supermanuverable fighter out there
Food for thought, the F-4 Phantom is about as fast as the F-35. Advancements in handling, weaponry, sensors, etc. are undeniably worth it, but the pilot still matters. That gapz between what a vehicle is SUPPOSED to do versus what it CAN do if you are crazy enough :)
If it didn't COST so much to keep in maintenance, fly worthy condition, (and upgrading/updating) it probably not have been chucked aside. Platform wise, it's a solid aircraft. Simply too much cost for upkeep.
If I remember correctly, the F-15 is close to the same age, as the F-14, but it's still in use. A solid platform as well. But the upkeep (financially) is far less, compared to the F-14.
The Tomcat is especially impressive when you consider that it was made back in the day to replace the F-4/F-5 and would have flown in its heyday against Mig-21/Mig-23... Even when matched against Mig-25 and other concurrent planes it was still shockingly good. The fact it can hold a candle to modern planes is a testament to how solidly a 4th gen fighter it really was. Though, to be fair, it did cost about the same as an F-22 adjusted for inflation.
the mig25 isnt all that great, it's a bigger fatter f-15
@@easetheweeb that's partially because while both were interceptors on paper, the F-14 was a true early 4th gen multirole. Whereas the Mig 25 seems to really have been taylor made to intercept bombers and do BVR fights. Something that only really matured with the Mig 31.
How come they don't have F-22s if they could afford so many F-14s back in the day?
@@easetheweeb Mig 25 was a own class. Wasn't able to do any dogfight but was and stil is fastest fighter plane doing 3+ mach.
@@burnedbacon3989 mig-25 was made to intercept the SR-71, that's why the 3.2 mach spec exists.
I love how in the first round you kept talking, calmly, about advantages of splitting throttle while casually killing the bandit
In an F-14, with the F-18 on your 6, start a high-G uphill barber pole. The F-18 can't turn inside the F-14 AND climb (B more so than A). Use the thrust to weight. The fight will go until the F-18 runs out of energy, then just drop on top of the F-18 when he ditches out to regain air speed.
Ok, now we need a TOP GUN 3 to uncover more Tomcat secrets ! Come on ! 🤗😉
Videos like this make me wonder whether ST-21 might be more than just a dream after all. Imagine a Tomcat with all the modern upgrades, including stealth, vector thrust, better engines, LERX and a modern board computer that can accurately control Split throttle, next to all that other fun stuff. At that point we have a nice 6th gen. ...They might even reimagine the canopy for better visibility.
ST-21 would be a badass airplane. But the Super Hornet was the smarter decision. The Navy needed replacements for the A-6, F/A-18 legacy Hornet, the KS-3 tanker, and the E/A-6B Prowler. The Tomcat 21 couldn’t do all of those missions & would cost as much as a USAF F-22. The Super Hornet does, and while not as glamorous it’s cheaper and it’s effective. If the Tomcat is a Ferrari, the Super Hornet is the work truck. It won’t impress the neighbors, but you can’t tow a camper with a Ferrari.
I think this would be a fantastic plan.
@@Silversmok3 and now the US Navy does NOT have an air superiority fighter against Chinese and Russian jets.
@@jennyarriola324 The E/A-18G is better than anything Russia and China have, and yes I’m aware of the ECM J-16 variant.
@@jennyarriola324 The Super Hornet can carry the AIM-120D.
The Super Tomcat would have been absolutely terrifying, let alone a lighter variant for the USAF.
Lots of airliner pilots use differential thrust during crosswind landings as well! Not as exciting but a practical application.
Ok, but one can't compare planes with engines under wings to fighter plane. It's like comparing a truck to F1 race car.
Grizzly's flying had me screaming at the screen.
He flew out in front of your nose which got him gunned and then he snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory by ramming you after getting the gun kill. He lost because he kept screwing up too much.
To be fair, I think he actually hit a piece that was coming off the aircraft... not the bulk of the plane... Sometimes sh*t happens.
The most impressive thing was you went from a saving yourself from a compressor stall to killing the hornet in like 3 seconds.
If the DCS flight model is accurate, this goes some way to lending credence to the interesting reports/rumors that the Iranian F-14 aces used differential thrust in dogfights against Iraqi MiG-21s and Mirages.
Absolutely beautiful the way you rolled over the top to take his six in round 3 @7:30 !
I think part of the Tomcats advantage is it’s range of engagement options compared to other aircraft. Against an F18 you know the pilot wants a one circle, Against a F16 it’s gonna want your tail, but the Tomcat has a deep bag of tricks with the right pilot so your stuck reacting to the f14 instead of planning it ahead like Sidewinder did the last two kills.
Very cool to see such a big aircraft make turns tighter than I thought it could. Good video.
This is truly incredible in all my years I never imagined that this existed in the F-14, after seeing TopGun I was amazed at this maneuver and was more intrigued to know what more is capable of doing that wonderful aircraft, now just imagine what the F-22 can be able to achieve, since we really do not know for the most part its secrets, if so many years have passed to see that maneuverability of the f-14, just imagine that it will hide the F-22 or other similar aircraft. Simply beautiful
Tom Cruise is always right. The US Navy gave F-14 the nickname TomCat because TOMCuiseAllwaysTrue.
Three years before Top Gun, Tom Mapother invented an anti ship CRUISE missile for the US NAVY in just 5 months. He wanted to call it Hawk Cruise Missile, but the Navy officials changed it TOMahawk CRUISE missile to show their respects to him. In return, Tom changed his name to Tom Cruise.
Hahahaha. Good one, even as Tom Cruise was about 4 when the Tomcat prototype flew.
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@@nukewurld he is just dropping some facts into this sea of aspergers.
Good one. I'll have to use that sometime.
Also, the cruise missiles like Tomahawk were invented by Tom Cruise.
That f-14 can do some amazing things given the right pilot and some luck
Welcome to Fighter Weapons School. Today's lesson Differential Thrust in the F-14A. Not quite super-maneuverable, but definitely an asset. We're learning something new every episode. Great channel!!! Still love your running explanations!
So I love this, you are clearly teasing us as we all want to see… differential thrust against the SU57 !!!!!! Great video as always.
Yes please!
Unfortunately that might be too much for the F14 but perhaps GS could pull it off
Hey man. Now that you showed us how differential thrust can affect the F-14, it would be interesting to see how other aircraft like F-15, SU-27, etc. responds to differential thrust. Anyways, really enjoyed your video!
Not sure it would be as effective on an F15 due to the engines being mounted so close together....the Tomcat engines have a much bigger gap between them and can apply greater yaw forces onto the airframe and really push the nose around.
@@miletello1 but Felon and Flankers are different story
@@52down right....especially the Felon.
I wanna see this experiment, specially on the F-16 and the Mirage :D
@@nukewurld You ruined it bro :(
f14 with a flight control system to keep it from spinning out would have been impressive.
I think the f14d was really resistant to stalls and flat spins
That would have been later models... that tricky Dick... Chumly killed. 🤬
All Tomcats were retrofitted with a DFCS late 90's.
yes and no, it would force the plane to stay in its box. Which flying outside the box is what lets the tomcat be the surgeons scalpel it is
@@vfrmaverick well, i was implying a system to let it lean on the edge of that box rather than keep it quite so sanitised.
Now you have to revisit all those epic fights with the f14B looks like the Tom cat has one more trick up her sleeve 🤔
I always love watching the F-14 dogfights the most because you can really feel the effort that has to go into keeping it in check. And when you get it, it really pays off. Great vid GS!
Awesome flying skills GS! Your vids are always stimulating to watch!
The guy that thought up the scene apparently knew what he was doing
Do the F-14 with differential thrust against the F-22! That would be an interesting fight to see.
I see you, Kirk. Can you see me?
@@Warmaker01 Warrior to warrior
There is other video F22 vs Spitfire where F22 was better in one circle. Sorry but F14 can't beat that.
Nevertheless I think Spitfire flight model must be messed up if was beaten by F22. Otherwise it was pilot, not a plane factor.
@@303Pinker a F-22 is completely different beast, made to remove all planes in existance.
Loving seeing the 14 come out on top in these fights. Circumstantial, but it is my fav jet after all 😃
Round 2 - "You want some of me?!!! There, have some!!" And takes your wing to the face... to the ground... (DOH!)
Glad to see you got this to work. If I ever have the opportunity to speak to my friends pops (the F-14 pilot I was referring to in another video) I'll ask him about his wing degree sweep tricks. He had different manual settings he used based on what he was doing in the aircraft, or if he wanted to trick an adversary into thinking he was slow. Anyway, great video man!
Awesome vid, thank you sir! Imagine the other pilot seeing the split-thruster manuever and going "WTF was that?!" like the movie XD
Old tech can still work its just how you use it and @Growling Sidewinder shows what an aircraft can be capable of. Doesn't mean it will win everytime just the understanding of the aircraft and pilot mistakes.
Last video there was some veteran comments about split throttle being a reality. very nice video, your flying was great and surprised me also!
That was incredible. Can't wait for you guys to start employing this tactic
While I love the 15, 16, and 18, there's just something special about the F-14.
that classic old school boom and zoom in round 3 was Golden!
It'd be cool to see some videos that show where DCS misrepresents the capabilities of certain planes.
I'm always there to the end with these round-after-round fights. Thanks for the extra content.
You had serious fun with this one GS. I can hear it in your voice and tone. You seem genuinely amused.
you are very much correct lol.
very impressive video.
i've owned dcs for a while and i've always been amazed that people can start the planes let alone fly them.
i usually just sit on the runway for a while then uninstall it.
That's hilarious 😂, is it really that hard to play?
This is one of the coolest dogfights I've seen!
those tight one-circle fights are always fun to watch
That was amazing! I usually donty enjoy Hollywood movies, even though I use to binge movies for my work, but TopGun 1-2 was superb, I loved those films.
When I first started watching this channel, I had no idea I would be belly laughing so much! Thanks!
Love the offensive compressor stall into gun kill.
And this is the reason I’m glad I got the Saitek X56.
I know a lot of people have the HOTAS Warthog, but I love the X56’s universality for DCS World.
GOD DAMN DUDE. That first kill was the shit that makes a _real_ fighter pilot
Imagine the F14 with installed high tech weapons and lighter materials to make it go faster. The F14 Tomcat is underrated in my opinion. Such a well made dope airplane!
There was a proposal of such upgraded super tomcat but was refused.
I mean it kinda makes sense. because of how far the engines are separated on the F-14, they're off center with the center of mass. So one engine in AB while the other isn't imparts a torque on the plane to move left or right. This also means that the flankers/Felon can also do this because their engines are also off center.
I absolutely love the detail of having maverick's helmet
Don't know if this has already been said, but after you master the split throttle in the A model, you need to have a rematch with the SU-57.
Wasn't going vertical one of the tactics taught by Top Gun for the F-4 and F-14? Using those plane's insane thrust for good. Think they called it The Egg. That in combination with the split thrust really gives the old girl a few new tricks.
5:33 F-14 split its throttles, F-18 swept its wing.
Love! Love! Love! Seeing you take snap gun shots like that. Besides you lose weight on the jet when you expend rounds in short bursts like that. It's a win-win situation! 😁
Delicious. What a joy to watch and behold! Very well done, GS!
Great job by GS I know one of Iranian F14 pailot used this when he was against 3 Mirag F1 and it worked
A great manoeuvre but I can see why it is only used by the experienced pilots.
Now you gotta do F-14 vs SU57 once you master this technique XD. I loved your previous videos, I just felt like you were very unlucky because I see people in DCS PvP with F-14 beat SU57 1 on 1 or team vs team.
Awesome video. The dogfights were awesome and quite adrenaline inducing.
roound 2 I was expecting a knife fight from the survivos pilots in ground hahaha
Or let's do an Iron Eagle simulation...
A single F-16B against four MiG-23's...
I love the f 14 maybe it's just nostalgia but I always saw it as the boss of the air where dreams seemed possible such an amazing aviation breakthrough
5:34 in this engagement I learned from maverick that you can use guns, misiles or even the plane to splash a bandit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love your Maverick helmet. Need to do some searching and figure out how to put one on my F-14 pilot.
Nice TYVM! Didn’t think the TF30 would do that well, especially only 1 compressor stall.
Good stuff man, love your channel.
You know you have to fight a Felon again with this technique.
I don't think the result will change but your first one was hilarious and I want more 🤣
....this is one of my favorites , awesome video
Differential thrust in the F14 seems to be the clue they used to create the 5th Gen fighters. They created a plane that capitalized on the maneuverability tricks of all the previous fighters.
the tomcat is the grandpa that smirks while he beats you at cards even still.
Good to see that Mav's still able to to some of that pilot sh*t.
Amazing. Can't wait to get my system setup
Hey GS, great video! I know this is not related, but maybe a cool idea for a video is the F22 with gun only vs something (like the Viper) with HOBs and a helmet sight? Love your content!
I would love to hear about a real account of splitting the throttle. It was so cool when maverick did it.
Dude, love your videos!
it takes balls to fly the A model like that
My count was 4-1! I love watching you guys fly. I just bought the game because of watching your videos, now I just have to learn to fly at 46!! What have I done!👍
The 20 dollar f15c is a great starting module for dcs
Who would have thunk it! An action movie getting technical details right. Outstanding!
2:13 - Did he flare instead of bailing out? That's hardcore, going down with the ship! :^D
Now I am most curious about who in Cruises team came up with this reverse thrust idea.
And also, is this a trick known to old experienced F14 pilots?
It's not a reverse thrrust! There are thrust reversers on airliners, even some fighers, I think Viggen got it. But don'tmistake the two :)
It is a trick those pilots know about. Don't remember if it was a video or an article but an old famous Tomcat driver talked about it.
@@gaurlglmistrz
Whatever dude. you know perfectly well what I meant.
It was an airline pilot who came with that idea but the whole crew just ignored him.
@@pagman798
But that detail you came with there made me think of that incident in the late 80ies or early 90ies on a domestic flight of USA where a three engined airliner experienced a massive failure in the hydraulic system after the rudder engine exploded and they could only control the aircraft using the engine thrust from the remaining two under the wings. They actually managed to land the plane like this, though unfortunately a gust of wind flipped the aircraft over during landing and it crashed. But against all odds many still survived.
That was straight up incredible.
You sir, are an excellent pilot.
That's a lot of push-ups for the Hornet
I like this concept! I wonder if other "wide-twin-engine" aircraft able to do this. I guess the biggest surprise could come from a Mig-29. Happy flatspinning! :D
People thinking you're practicing differential thrust to face the Su-57 when you're actually preparing for the boss fight that is the i16
A man of culture I see.
So nice to confirm that the old lady still had a card up her sleeve despite being a 1970’s platform.
I never knew about this but sitting in the cockpit I noticed that there was a lock on the throttles that would keep them together which could be disengaged. Hope they topped you off with hydraulic fluid.
So my question is, will this split throttle maneuver actually help against a SU-57 like it seemed to in the movie?
My guess is he's building up to that, just using it in fights with aggressors in fights they normally are superior in.
watch yesterday's video
he already tried in previous video
@@GENERALEVILANGEL I did. That was against an F-15, not a SU-57.
@@qararmwibowo660 Which previous video? The last video was against an F-15 which has nowhere near the same maneuvering capability as the SU-57.
The navy, Grumman and nasa tested differential thrust on the tomcat back in the 1970’s. It was known then to aide significantly in air to air engagements. Outside the test community the older more experienced pilots might have used it but the newer guys hadn’t developed the requisite skills needed to use it safely. Of coarse the navy invested more in training the tomcat pilot/rio pairs than other aviators because of the complexity of the aircraft and missions it was to fly.
I wonder would that work with other wide-spaced twins like the Mig 29, Su 27 etc?
The Ghost of Goose " I don't know about this Mav "
5:34 best collision ever!!
f22 bandits unknown (2 bandits)
Nah the f12 need something more harder. This aircraft basically a monster
YES!! And another vid with the F-35, J-20 , and Su-57!