I think my biggest problem with the SP system in Engage is that there is no New Game plus. If there was NG+ the slow SP grind wouldn’t be a big problem as you’d have access to these skills on a new playthrough (plus donation levels, rewards from online play, bond rings and bond fragments from achievements). No NG+ really killed my desire to engage (lol) with a lot of this game’s systems as I know I won’t have them when I start a new playthrough. Seems like a step back from 3H
I think a tweak so that you get more or an option like fixed growths after you beat the game would be nice. While it would make the game easier skills are fun and having them a bit sooner its fine imo. Also what is the point of those 8400 sp skills, since sp is pretty much equal to xp, that would mean that you would need 84 lvls to even get it
Maybe not ng+ itself as we know it but if we could go back and play old maps, get items and units we missed and earn rewards, it would be very serviceable. I can imagine a few ways they can do it.
This channel will grow fast. I like that you make FE content that isnt just guides or the same build videos. You actually talk about the inner workings of the game to give me something worth thinking about. Keep up the good work.
I'm not surprised Camilla's map wasn't that good. If I'm not mistaken, this is the map where you first face her in Birthright, which was the least exciting game of the trio. They even reference it further with her walking intro animation. I'm glad to hear that the Camilla Emblem itself is pretty decent though!
Yeah BR23 was a pretty disliked map in Fates. Although it is one of the more challenging maps to just Ryoma solo, you can still just bruteforce him through it. Although Engage's version of the map has changed it up a fair bit, being more of a windy path rather than the straight bottom right to top left trek that it was in Fates.
Great review of the DLC. I really enjoyed the DLC, I played all of the Fire Emblems and seeing interactions with the old characters really brought back good memories, even if they don't have much impact on the overall plot. I really like how they still kept Soren pragmatic, I really wasn't expecting that, but he's still one of my favorite characters in the whole series, his A rank with Ike in Path of Radiance was so sad man, the Greil mercenaries found Soren as a baby who was left in a garbage can, poor guy. Tiki's voice actor was an odd choice but I don't mind, I wish it was more consistent with Tokyo Mirage Sessions's depiction of her but it's always fun to see her. Hector was great, though I was sad he doesn't have any interaction with Roy from what I could tell but then again I suppose maybe he didn't interact much with Eliwood's kids? Camilla's chapter was a fun twist on that map with the dancers. I can't wait for the next DLC wave!
One fun juggernaut build that can sadly only be used in late late game or a future new game+ is Soren + [Spoiler Character]+Forged [Spoiler Tome]+ Camilla Engrave+Roy's Hold Out. Again, sadly sp slog makes it so getting this is near impossible before endgame at the very least or post-game and the character comes late anyway. Spoiler is Veyle and her personal tome btw
I actually enjoyed Camilla's Paralogue map. Even though it took a long time and there were a lot of reinforcements I thought it was a lot of fun. Yunaka was able to destroy most of the reinforcements while paired with Corrin, so that made it much more manageable. All in all I agree that wave 2 is great!
My idea is to do them once I get the corresponding emblem that would like a chat with them. Personally, I'm too fresh, and generally not enthusiastic, about playing a map, since they take me half an hour even in the early game, since I'm so worried about units losing. I just hope I'll enjoy the maps and especially the emblems. Camilla's map sounds like a pain, Soren will just kick my butt, Hector seems to be ok. Also, this more or less vindicates my decision to purchase the DLC. I do wish they would allow you to turn off the additional items you get from the pass, but I guess you need to do a little bit of accounting to make sure you don't use what you don't have. That said, I also wished they would address economy in the early game, it's rough for no real reason.
@@actuallizard that’s what I’ve been looking forward to the most, I see the Soren ring is essentially an upgrade for magic users over the Celica ring and I can’t wait to try him out, same with Hector and Camilla
The camilla map being a slog is on-brand for a birthright map I guess? When I first booted it up and saw what it was my first response was "You know? I don't think I know how to get through this one without an electric lobster to throw at everything"
I haven't touched the new wave of DLC yet, I'm going to wait to do it during a second run, but I really hope come Wave 3 that Chrom and Robin's map is Chapter 10 from Awakening. It's not the most complex map in the world, but it goes on my top 5 list of favorite maps, and it is emotionally one of the best in Awakening. Oh, also, an additional class was added with this wave, the Enchanter. It's a utility class that's not really notable except for its ability to access the Convoy as its class skill without needing to be by Alear.
I was playing maddening at a low level on the Hector map and his stats scared the hell out of me, so I kited him through the poison with obstruct to force him to take stacks (he only had 4 move) and was able bring him down to a point where he was safe to attack
Hey man, really enjoy the flavor of content you have here. You probably already know, but sometimes you'll deliver a line with a bit of clarity issues; specifically on "sh" sounds. If you're working on this, that's awesome, everyone has their own issues to work through, but if you're having issues with that consonant in particular, I would recommend trying to pucker your lips more when you say words like "relationship". Your other "s" sounds are totally fine, so I'm not sure why you're struggling with that one specifically. but I think if you try to pucker more like when saying words like " quack" or "crater" it could help you get it to sound a bit clearer. keep up the good work!
Hector map in maddening requires to make hector take a lot of poison to make him less tanky, i really like the boss of the map in maddening, very creative
It's so busted, you can refine your weapons into early levin sword, killing edge, elfires, etc, stat boosters, broken emblems. Not to mention tiki paralogue and the amount of exp you get. I wish I was a rom hacker though, with the amount of tools they give you and mix matching music with old maps.
double-posting...also glad you mentioned that the DLC maps were disappointing. i really thought they could've done a much better job with the retro-inspired maps for the classic characters. mostly they were subpar
Im not interested on getting the game since i already have it but i do want to do a second playthrough on maddening after my first hard mode playthrough now that i know all the intricate details. However i plan to play this run with dlc but i dont have it sadly. Its to expensive for my family to get rn.
Funny, I loved Camilla's chapter. I even thought it was too easy and the reinforcements weren't enough. Ivy and Chloé pretty cleared the middle section of the map before the landlocked units even got close. I guess it's way easier if you do it in chapter 13 like I did, and not in the endgame.
As someone who did it as post-game content. Nope. That is exactly what I did and other than the lag when combat played, the only person who came close to dying was Ivy. It was incredibly easy. Fun, and cool to see my units going up against one of the only maps that actually scaled to us... but easy.
to be fair there is 2 more waves and the final one has a story element to it, so unless you've already paid for it I'd recommend waiting for those to see if it ends up being worth it ^^
No. It needs to be part of the original game. Like how por and rd had bonus maps and characters if you beat the games x times, etc. Something similar is done for all subsequent games.
I'm not a fan of the DLC. After clearing maddening, what are you supposed to use these new Emblems/resources on? Sure, theres the new maps, but is that really worth the price? I'm not really interested in starting a new save either if the new Emblems make the run easier. Its fun seeing these old characters interreact with the cast, but I can simply just watch a video for that.
The value is definitely limited if you aren't interested in replaying the game. Hopefully the new story in wave 4 brings lots of new maps and gameplay for you!
@@supergoodadvice853 I mean all fire emblem are meant to be replay. Since you can’t use all the units in a single playthrough. Back them paras were secrets
I bought the dlc and I must say I have been disappointed and regret spending the money on it. You are given additional resources such as gold, weapons and sp books which only serve to make the game easier... if I wanted to do that I could just lower the difficulty. The emblem rings are cool and all but we already get so many in the base game that you have one for every deployed unit, so if you want to use the dlc rings, you have to forgoe using some of the rings for the base game. The dlc rings are also ridiculously strong with skills such as aptitude or lifesphere on tiki or 20% extra exp on edelgard and it just feels really p2w and trivialises the challenge of the game rather than being a fun addition. I'm just hoping that wave 4's additional content will be decent so that the money I spent isn't completely wasted.
While awakening had way too many dlcs to buy separately I really miss dlc like awakening that felt like it mattered, that added something important to the game. Whether is the beach dlc that showed Lucina wasn't flat. Or the future timelime stuff in fates. I just miss them mattering enough to feel worth doing. Camilla is one of my all time favorite FE characters, but her having the same female animations but she doesn't act like that at all and they changed her English VA shows how lazy the devs are. Hector it's awesome to finally meet him but he's kinda bad honestly. And Soren is what the devs needed in the office to prevent this travesty of a FE title, I aim to be as no fucks given as Soren.
why the f would they choose to make slogs of ep grindfest for dlc? honestly saying it aloud makes it ironically fitting. DLC reinforcement slog grindfest for payers who also get to break the game economy with bazillions of stat boosters, SP, and Tiki lmao Yeah, this DLC ain't worth my time. Already have fun with base game maps and strategies, no need to sour it with boring, uninteresting slogfests.
I am pretty sure you can get skillbooks in the game, you just have to play the online co-op mode but that does require you to also pay real world money, then play online using your limited tickets which refill in real world days.
You can but it's a real grind (you don't always get a book), and not possible if you are an offline player if my understanding is correct. I should have mentioned this though, thanks for pointing it out :)
Essentially why the game can be flaunted as a console game that is also a mobile game. -Without using the online-only, daily limited ticket system you cannot effectively acquire those orb/tome things which you KNOW they are gonna release a DLC or patch later to `fix` the issues to draw people back to the game. -The fact they had to include Consumable books that you can only get thru a online only content or have some low odds of acquiring at highest level trials ...YEAH, JUST Stat cap your desired unit instead and have them auto-battle Solo only thru skirmishes instead and time-crystal fix whenever they die to pop one outta 2 or 3 elixirs you piled on top of them. -Magicial Girl Anna the Gold farming Messiah exists, so ironically this shuts down the need for those online freebie item boons that you could melt for smidges of gold. -Magicial Girl Anna the Gold farming Messiah exists, so one could abuse her to get lots of gold to invalidate the issue with Donations. -Magicial Girl Anna the Gold farming Messiah exists, so one could ALSO abuse her to get lots of gold to invalidate a large part of ingot shortages by burning it on the expensive costs of the flea market, same with consumables and Class change Seals. In all honesty, if the game had a new-game plus with harder enemies to boot, from the get-go i would see a use for this DLC right away, but lacking that basic feature, i see little care to spend an extra 50% of the price tag on a game for a DLC that just sums up to E-peen enjoyment hype and ignore the fact your doing what is the same gag as Fire Emblem Heroes by paying additional cost for more units to beat a game that you already dominated into submission with the vanilla game`s characters. Its kind of why i will always declare the kinds of DLC that are actually tasty to invest in, are the ones that give actual new campaigns, additional stages, bosses and challenges to have fun with then just giving a rainbow colored rocket launcher to lie in the pile of all your other rocket launchers that you have not gotten around to caring about using just yet, since your Desert eagle is still one-tapping everything anyway.
I think my biggest problem with the SP system in Engage is that there is no New Game plus. If there was NG+ the slow SP grind wouldn’t be a big problem as you’d have access to these skills on a new playthrough (plus donation levels, rewards from online play, bond rings and bond fragments from achievements). No NG+ really killed my desire to engage (lol) with a lot of this game’s systems as I know I won’t have them when I start a new playthrough. Seems like a step back from 3H
I was really sad when I beat the game and found out there was no NG+.
Can't wait for them to sell it back to you
I think a tweak so that you get more or an option like fixed growths after you beat the game would be nice.
While it would make the game easier skills are fun and having them a bit sooner its fine imo.
Also what is the point of those 8400 sp skills, since sp is pretty much equal to xp, that would mean that you would need 84 lvls to even get it
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 maddening was free in 3h
Maybe not ng+ itself as we know it but if we could go back and play old maps, get items and units we missed and earn rewards, it would be very serviceable.
I can imagine a few ways they can do it.
This channel will grow fast. I like that you make FE content that isnt just guides or the same build videos. You actually talk about the inner workings of the game to give me something worth thinking about. Keep up the good work.
I'm not surprised Camilla's map wasn't that good. If I'm not mistaken, this is the map where you first face her in Birthright, which was the least exciting game of the trio. They even reference it further with her walking intro animation.
I'm glad to hear that the Camilla Emblem itself is pretty decent though!
Yeah BR23 was a pretty disliked map in Fates. Although it is one of the more challenging maps to just Ryoma solo, you can still just bruteforce him through it. Although Engage's version of the map has changed it up a fair bit, being more of a windy path rather than the straight bottom right to top left trek that it was in Fates.
Great review of the DLC. I really enjoyed the DLC, I played all of the Fire Emblems and seeing interactions with the old characters really brought back good memories, even if they don't have much impact on the overall plot. I really like how they still kept Soren pragmatic, I really wasn't expecting that, but he's still one of my favorite characters in the whole series, his A rank with Ike in Path of Radiance was so sad man, the Greil mercenaries found Soren as a baby who was left in a garbage can, poor guy. Tiki's voice actor was an odd choice but I don't mind, I wish it was more consistent with Tokyo Mirage Sessions's depiction of her but it's always fun to see her. Hector was great, though I was sad he doesn't have any interaction with Roy from what I could tell but then again I suppose maybe he didn't interact much with Eliwood's kids? Camilla's chapter was a fun twist on that map with the dancers. I can't wait for the next DLC wave!
One fun juggernaut build that can sadly only be used in late late game or a future new game+ is Soren + [Spoiler Character]+Forged [Spoiler Tome]+ Camilla Engrave+Roy's Hold Out. Again, sadly sp slog makes it so getting this is near impossible before endgame at the very least or post-game and the character comes late anyway.
Spoiler is Veyle and her personal tome btw
Wait, does Soren's Bolting mean a backup unit can chain attack from 10 tiles away?
I actually enjoyed Camilla's Paralogue map. Even though it took a long time and there were a lot of reinforcements I thought it was a lot of fun. Yunaka was able to destroy most of the reinforcements while paired with Corrin, so that made it much more manageable. All in all I agree that wave 2 is great!
My idea is to do them once I get the corresponding emblem that would like a chat with them. Personally, I'm too fresh, and generally not enthusiastic, about playing a map, since they take me half an hour even in the early game, since I'm so worried about units losing. I just hope I'll enjoy the maps and especially the emblems. Camilla's map sounds like a pain, Soren will just kick my butt, Hector seems to be ok.
Also, this more or less vindicates my decision to purchase the DLC. I do wish they would allow you to turn off the additional items you get from the pass, but I guess you need to do a little bit of accounting to make sure you don't use what you don't have. That said, I also wished they would address economy in the early game, it's rough for no real reason.
Sorens map turns off staff and dancer animation is kinda funny
I sure hope it is, just dropped the money for it after finishing my first run, now I am going to replay with all the dlc available now
I enjoyed it! I think if you're the kind of person that likes thinking about how to build the strongest units, the new emblems are a lot of fun.
@@actuallizard that’s what I’ve been looking forward to the most, I see the Soren ring is essentially an upgrade for magic users over the Celica ring and I can’t wait to try him out, same with Hector and Camilla
dude, I subbed coz your voice is sooo nice to listen to. And while watching the video? your content is amazing and informative. more power!
The camilla map being a slog is on-brand for a birthright map I guess? When I first booted it up and saw what it was my first response was "You know? I don't think I know how to get through this one without an electric lobster to throw at everything"
A Soren combined with a Hector Tank sounds almost unbeatable
What you said I completely agree with, however, Tiki won't let me play with the big kids
Edit: she let me in :>
I haven't touched the new wave of DLC yet, I'm going to wait to do it during a second run, but I really hope come Wave 3 that Chrom and Robin's map is Chapter 10 from Awakening. It's not the most complex map in the world, but it goes on my top 5 list of favorite maps, and it is emotionally one of the best in Awakening. Oh, also, an additional class was added with this wave, the Enchanter. It's a utility class that's not really notable except for its ability to access the Convoy as its class skill without needing to be by Alear.
Sadly, we cant access that class yet.
I will be downright surprised if they don't use Chapter 23 for Chrom and Robin
I was playing maddening at a low level on the Hector map and his stats scared the hell out of me, so I kited him through the poison with obstruct to force him to take stacks (he only had 4 move) and was able bring him down to a point where he was safe to attack
new favorite channel!!! we need for fire emblem content like this
Hey man, really enjoy the flavor of content you have here. You probably already know, but sometimes you'll deliver a line with a bit of clarity issues; specifically on "sh" sounds. If you're working on this, that's awesome, everyone has their own issues to work through, but if you're having issues with that consonant in particular, I would recommend trying to pucker your lips more when you say words like "relationship". Your other "s" sounds are totally fine, so I'm not sure why you're struggling with that one specifically. but I think if you try to pucker more like when saying words like " quack" or "crater" it could help you get it to sound a bit clearer.
keep up the good work!
nice video. real glad you mentioned the slow skill acquisition in this game. the best skills are sooo expensive, which really sucks
20 Silver ingots worth roughly 100k gold lol 5k gold per silver if you buy it in shop
Bond Fragment and Skill Point gains needs to be buffed in a proper free update
Hector map in maddening requires to make hector take a lot of poison to make him less tanky, i really like the boss of the map in maddening, very creative
It's so busted, you can refine your weapons into early levin sword, killing edge, elfires, etc, stat boosters, broken emblems. Not to mention tiki paralogue and the amount of exp you get. I wish I was a rom hacker though, with the amount of tools they give you and mix matching music with old maps.
Camilla's VA is indeed different from her VA in Fates, but it's the same person who voiced her in Warriors and Heroes.
double-posting...also glad you mentioned that the DLC maps were disappointing. i really thought they could've done a much better job with the retro-inspired maps for the classic characters. mostly they were subpar
just wating for wave 3 and the updated story now since i just beaten the story
Tbh it doesn’t seem like you will be able to buy any of the dlc individually at the moment just the pass then download them all
This is true, I thought I implied this at the end when I talked about waves 3 and 4, but maybe I could have been more clear!
Im not interested on getting the game since i already have it but i do want to do a second playthrough on maddening after my first hard mode playthrough now that i know all the intricate details. However i plan to play this run with dlc but i dont have it sadly. Its to expensive for my family to get rn.
Probably not the best use of Camilla, but I put her on Seadall with boots so I could get 6-8 move flying dancer.
From the looks of the next one, Veronica can summon someone. I am hoping they throw in some goofy options if it is random.
you can snipe camilla with Lyn's engage skill then she will charge you allowing you to endthe map faster
Funny, I loved Camilla's chapter. I even thought it was too easy and the reinforcements weren't enough. Ivy and Chloé pretty cleared the middle section of the map before the landlocked units even got close. I guess it's way easier if you do it in chapter 13 like I did, and not in the endgame.
tiki and Camillas are pretty fun when you unlock them at chapters 7 and 8. I got Anna and Jean first and usde it to grind emm
As someone who did it as post-game content. Nope. That is exactly what I did and other than the lag when combat played, the only person who came close to dying was Ivy. It was incredibly easy. Fun, and cool to see my units going up against one of the only maps that actually scaled to us... but easy.
I think the Dlc is “ok” i just wish they added way more costumes and extra stuff like music for somniel to justify the price a little
to be fair there is 2 more waves and the final one has a story element to it, so unless you've already paid for it I'd recommend waiting for those to see if it ends up being worth it ^^
Thanks Mr. Lizard
hate to say the songs are in the base game. just used for the paralogues
Wait i thought the dlc came with 5 new emblems? Someone explain pls
The dlc is coming in waves, so this wave had three emblems, and we have two more coming in the future
@@actuallizard so when you pay for the dlc you then have go pay again for the next wave?
@@medoirebeuchat8172 no, if you buy the expansion pass you get access to all 4 waves of DLC as they are released.
@@GreatAether58 ok thx for clarifying :)
Don't you get the items for free ?
Choops mentioned in his latest video that you get the goodies for free, idk if it's true tho.
The Camilla map was disappointing as she was not in her boss position and starting position is different
These dlc emblems are all cyl winners
Unless it's big story DLC like most of Awakening and Fates's Revelation story, DLC for Fire Emblem in general is never really worth it.
No. It needs to be part of the original game. Like how por and rd had bonus maps and characters if you beat the games x times, etc.
Something similar is done for all subsequent games.
Honestly not only is the DLC isn’t worth it. The game after two play through’s It’s kind of trash
I'm not a fan of the DLC. After clearing maddening, what are you supposed to use these new Emblems/resources on? Sure, theres the new maps, but is that really worth the price? I'm not really interested in starting a new save either if the new Emblems make the run easier. Its fun seeing these old characters interreact with the cast, but I can simply just watch a video for that.
The value is definitely limited if you aren't interested in replaying the game. Hopefully the new story in wave 4 brings lots of new maps and gameplay for you!
They 100% expect you to replay
This is definitely a Fire Emblem to be replayed, with how skills and such work.
@@supergoodadvice853 I mean all fire emblem are meant to be replay. Since you can’t use all the units in a single playthrough. Back them paras were secrets
I bought the dlc and I must say I have been disappointed and regret spending the money on it. You are given additional resources such as gold, weapons and sp books which only serve to make the game easier... if I wanted to do that I could just lower the difficulty. The emblem rings are cool and all but we already get so many in the base game that you have one for every deployed unit, so if you want to use the dlc rings, you have to forgoe using some of the rings for the base game.
The dlc rings are also ridiculously strong with skills such as aptitude or lifesphere on tiki or 20% extra exp on edelgard and it just feels really p2w and trivialises the challenge of the game rather than being a fun addition. I'm just hoping that wave 4's additional content will be decent so that the money I spent isn't completely wasted.
Of course it's worth (your) time, (your) time is worth nothing.
While awakening had way too many dlcs to buy separately I really miss dlc like awakening that felt like it mattered, that added something important to the game. Whether is the beach dlc that showed Lucina wasn't flat. Or the future timelime stuff in fates. I just miss them mattering enough to feel worth doing.
Camilla is one of my all time favorite FE characters, but her having the same female animations but she doesn't act like that at all and they changed her English VA shows how lazy the devs are.
Hector it's awesome to finally meet him but he's kinda bad honestly.
And Soren is what the devs needed in the office to prevent this travesty of a FE title, I aim to be as no fucks given as Soren.
why the f would they choose to make slogs of ep grindfest for dlc? honestly saying it aloud makes it ironically fitting. DLC reinforcement slog grindfest for payers who also get to break the game economy with bazillions of stat boosters, SP, and Tiki lmao
Yeah, this DLC ain't worth my time. Already have fun with base game maps and strategies, no need to sour it with boring, uninteresting slogfests.
I'm so glad I get to make fun of people who beat Maddening but bought the DLC.
I need to rehearse my lines.
*ahem* You didn't win.
Ooh that's good, here's mine: Nobody asked, dweeb.
@@GIR177
You didn't win.
I am pretty sure you can get skillbooks in the game, you just have to play the online co-op mode but that does require you to also pay real world money, then play online using your limited tickets which refill in real world days.
You can but it's a real grind (you don't always get a book), and not possible if you are an offline player if my understanding is correct.
I should have mentioned this though, thanks for pointing it out :)
Essentially why the game can be flaunted as a console game that is also a mobile game.
-Without using the online-only, daily limited ticket system you cannot effectively acquire those orb/tome things which you KNOW they are gonna release a DLC or patch later to `fix` the issues to draw people back to the game.
-The fact they had to include Consumable books that you can only get thru a online only content or have some low odds of acquiring at highest level trials ...YEAH, JUST Stat cap your desired unit instead and have them auto-battle Solo only thru skirmishes instead and time-crystal fix whenever they die to pop one outta 2 or 3 elixirs you piled on top of them.
-Magicial Girl Anna the Gold farming Messiah exists, so ironically this shuts down the need for those online freebie item boons that you could melt for smidges of gold.
-Magicial Girl Anna the Gold farming Messiah exists, so one could abuse her to get lots of gold to invalidate the issue with Donations.
-Magicial Girl Anna the Gold farming Messiah exists, so one could ALSO abuse her to get lots of gold to invalidate a large part of ingot shortages by burning it on the expensive costs of the flea market, same with consumables and Class change Seals.
In all honesty, if the game had a new-game plus with harder enemies to boot, from the get-go i would see a use for this DLC right away, but lacking that basic feature, i see little care to spend an extra 50% of the price tag on a game for a DLC that just sums up to E-peen enjoyment hype and ignore the fact your doing what is the same gag as Fire Emblem Heroes by paying additional cost for more units to beat a game that you already dominated into submission with the vanilla game`s characters.
Its kind of why i will always declare the kinds of DLC that are actually tasty to invest in, are the ones that give actual new campaigns, additional stages, bosses and challenges to have fun with then just giving a rainbow colored rocket launcher to lie in the pile of all your other rocket launchers that you have not gotten around to caring about using just yet, since your Desert eagle is still one-tapping everything anyway.