Tiny House Incinerating Toilet - The Incinolet Review
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- The ultimate tiny house incinerating toilet in my humble opinion is the Incinolet. (To broadly see what your tiny house toilet options are, you can check out my other video on the topic: • TINY HOME TOILETS - Wh... ). The Incinolet has been my tiny house toilet choice for the last 7 years. This incinerating toilet option is a perfectly viable and awesome option for a tiny house lifestyle. That said, it's not the solution for everybody. Your choice of toilet is very much predicated on your personal tiny house set up, access to utilities, budget and so on. Here I go over how it works and why THIS toilet works well for my tiny home set up.
You can find out about the Incinolet directly here: incinolet.com
Here are some alternate tiny house toilet options and interesting resources:
Humanure Book (for composting): amzn.to/35jkDAy
Nature’s Head: amzn.to/327ChoX
Lovable Loo Composting Toilet: www.etsy.com/listing/79342228...
Dry Flush Toilet: dry-flush.com/
Incinolet: incinolet.com
Cinderella Toilet: www.cinderellaeco.com/
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Although the Incinolet is awesome and my personal choice for my tiny house, there are other options that make sense in a tiny house setup. Check out this video to see what other options are out there: th-cam.com/video/kIhGTT_uj9k/w-d-xo.html Thanks for checking out this video and my channel.
We are debating to add a propane style to our Incinolet. I had thought to attempt a gasifier to supply the gas inlet on the propane style toilet. A lot of thinking to happen before we make any decisions on purchasing one. Hoping to find one used on Craiglist or Marketplace to test out the theory of it all.
We have had an Incinolet toilet for 9 months - the very basic model. Items that they shared in this video that differ from our experience... We have to empty the ash tray after one day's use for 1-2 people or it doesn't fully burn the waste, which is really gross and not as advertised. Also, there will be a "burning pee" smell outside where it vents and if you're down wind of it, you'll wonder what the funky smell is. We feel when the unit is burning/working it's loud, louder than anticipated. We took to heart the reviews on Incinolet's website and were very excited to get one of these for our lake place, because there wasn't an indoor bathroom and this was much more cost effective than installing septic, but now we're looking into septic. This product just isn't operating as hoped - the not fully burning everything and pulling a pan that isn't all ash has been difficult to handle. Also, we were disappointed that when we reached out to the company about this issue, we got no response back. Also, we can't leave a review on their site - reviews are only by invitation only, it seems!
Hmm. That's not been my experience at all. Is it possible that your toilet's internal temp setting is too low? I saw that when I did a deep clean on the toilet that there is a dial in the toilet that adjust the temp it runs at. Also, are you running the vent tube up high or just out at ground level? If you are bothered by any scents, I would recommend that you vent the exhaust tube up towards the roof line. Check out my deep clean video here to see what I'm talking about regarding the temperature setting: th-cam.com/video/AxGRLBDStFo/w-d-xo.html
The unit is really designed to empty the ash bowl every day, but check the manual on how to set the temperature and burn time, they may be set incorrectly. If you are still getting incomplete burns, increase the burn time from 1 to 1.5 hours. Also the manual details how the unit uses a catalyst to remove odor from the exhaust. The catalyst works after it heats up, so you might try starting the burn cycle when you first arrive at the toilet to let it heat up some and then press start again to reset the cycle after pressing the foot pedal to dump the contents. Good luck.
It appears to be a venting issue, if the vents is plugged,unproperly installed or too narrow, then it will not evaporate liquids properly and one will see chunks instead of dust.
Yes, the biggest drawback is the odor! We had one in our floating home for 20 years. The smell always bothered me. We had a composting toilet previously and with a woman in the house it wouldn’t compost fast enough !
Do you let the let it run for an hour and a half after each use???
Love that you said this can be used after it's flushed.
I thought you couldn't use it, until the timer was done.
Yup, can use it while it's burning the previous usage in the burn chamber. Toilet just emits the humming sound of the vent fan extracting smoke to the outside. It's a great toilet solution. What is your particular implementation that you are looking to use one of these in?
@@TinyIndustrial in a mobile home.
@@tuliofigueroa8184 That's a good plan if you have access to electric.
@@TinyIndustrial Why not just wait to "run the cycle after there's more sh*t collected in it?" I mean....everything in this life...comes down to cost and money.
I’m just tossing out ideas; but maybe increased volumes of unburnt waste might cause incomplete burns, when you activate the burn process later... sort of similar to what would happen if you tried to broil a 4” thick steak, as opposed to a more normal 1” thick steak, in an oven. The outside would be burnt to a crisp; but the inside might still be raw.
Another thing is that, if you don’t burn the waste immediately, the foul odors (which none of us enjoy) might begin to run rampant.
Bought one at a yard sale several years ago for only $250! Had never even heard of them before, just took a chance. It appears everything is there & it seems it will be very easy to install once the micro-cabin is finished. Thanks for the tips!
Wow! Lucky find! Glad that this video was helpful to you!
I'm planning on moving into a 5th wheel fulltime and I've always wanted one of these so this video has convinced me that I do really need one! Thanks.
Well I'm glad it was helpful. It's worked great for my situation and purposes. Very happy with my choice (still...years later). You have more of a tiny house or more of a standard RV as a 5th wheel?
@@TinyIndustrial it's more of a tiny house. It's 41 feet and it has three bedrooms techinally lol. It's a monster
I think its more of a house than an RV
@@pressureflipin1992 41'!!! Damn. That's a big tiny house for sure. I think a 36 footer is the largest I've seen. You need something like a F-650 or similar to tow that, no?
@@pressureflipin1992did you get
I've had mine for 37 years and it's my daily driver with no issues ! Make my own liners with freezer paper
Wow, that's crazy but not surprising. They are built to last. Really high quality product. That can't be said about most things these days.
Do you mean that you travel with it
Yes, not sure what was meant by that as well. Either way it likely speaks to the longevity of this high quality toilet.
@@hmmm2564 It just means that this is his main toilet.
I'd never heard of an incinerating toilet until I watched a Tony Home video today. It's a great idea. Your daughter is adorable.
Hi Linda. Thanks for the comment. Glad the video was helpful. Are you considering a tiny house?
Hahah I love how she giggles 🤭 lol. Great video and awesome idea having a youngin help out. Helps promote such a cool option for all ages!
Thank you. Yes, we had some fun with this video.
Great informative video! Thanks for sharing. It’s a bummer I was looking at this brand for van but good to know about the high power draw.
Yes, not the best idea for a van. Glad the video was helpful to you. Are you documenting your van build out?
I do 2 number 2 within 30mins of each other.
Im glad you can do multiple 2’s while the system is running.
That's right. It's not limiting in that way.
Great video. Our outhouse service is going away so we are considering this product. $2000 may seem high, but I think the price is far less than installing a septic system, especially when our cabin is on a large hillside. Thanks for this great video. I have been skeptical about this product, but this really looks good.
Yes, it's a great septic alternative for sure. Especially true if you live in a tricky spot where septic is even more difficult and cumbersome (expensive) to install. This toilet has performed better than expected and I definitely highly recommend it. My assumption is that you have easy access to electricity?
Also helps if you are trying to conserve ground water being aquifer levels. I’m considering buying one for a 5th wheel camp site rec center so no septic and no crapping with coyotes 😂. However, @TinyIndustrial I have a good question:
If you run out of paper liners could you us Junk Mail and old Bills to crap on and burn? If so, there are a whole bunch of Politicians I want to make printed copies of so I can Delicate on their face and then burn it 😂. Just kidding, my days of urinal target practice jokes are long over but Bills and Junk Mail I have plenty of to burn. Could you try this out for me and see if it works? I’m very interested.
Also, could you run this off a 50amp service if you wanted one in your RV as well or running a camp site off 50 amp service? Thanks for your time.
Propane or hydrogen could be a much quicker burn. But man for 2000 bucks it by far beats the price of the newest model out at 15,000. The new ones have only a 15 min burn. I guess burn time shouldn’t be that much of an issue if a person can go and another person can go while the other one’s burning and they can drop it in the mist of the burn so other person can go etc. I’m sure this isn’t possible but it would be cool if it was.
@@EmpoweredPercussion from my research, another person can use it immediately after someone else did, you just have to restart the cycle, and you may have to possibly run a 2nd cycle due to the additional "load" size.
So did you ever get it? Or did you go septic ?
Your daughter is so cute and has a great personality, your obviously a great dad. Well doing! From Dad to Dad
Thanks! She is pretty awesome. I agree. I'm very lucky. I appreciate the kind words.
Is that ash on the base boards?
Not sure what you are referring to? Do you have a timestamp I can reference?
I had a incinolet four 4 years. Once you got the draft right it worked great.
You mean the draft from it pulling air out of the structure and that creating a draft somewhere else? If so, yeah, it does do that. I usually minimally open a window in the bathroom for it to draw air in.
Very informative. Thanks
Hi Patricia. I'm glad that it was helpful for you.
All of a sudden, baking becoming a very popular hobby ! I want to use that new air fry oven !
Yes, this is the same concept as an air fryer. I would only use it in that way brand new out of the box. :)
Thanks, enjoyed it👍
Great! Glad to hear that. I'm going to be making more of these kinds of videos. Would that be helpful for you or was your primary interest just in this particular toilet?
@@TinyIndustrial ABSOLUTELY, I'm looking into property for off grid living👍
@@Steve-yo4ld Glad to hear that. Thanks for the feedback. Is there another topic that you are struggling with that I could cover in a future video? Always looking to get ideas from my viewers...
Thank you. Very helpful
Glad it was helpful and thanks for checking it out!
She's super Cute!!! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Best video I have seen. When we get our new model ready we would like you to review the new one.
Thanks Kevin! It's a great product that has provided me with many problem free years of operation. That's exciting that you are working on a new model. Would be happy to review. Do you have a timeline for when it is likely to be released? What are the main features/changes to the existing Incinolets?
We are trying for end of 2021. The new toilet will be quieter and use 35% less electricity.
@@incinolet868 That sounds great. Will the form factor be the same? More color options? I really like the white ones that you do.
They will look the same and we will continue to have the powder coated white and the polished stainless. I will make sure you get a white one.
@@incinolet868 Well I hope that all goes well with the development. Look forward to seeing the end result!
Super father daughter vid. thanks
Thank you.
Thanks for the great video. One question: Did you purchase in the US or Canada?
Hi there. I bought this unit in the US. Why do you ask?
For apartments or on the road rv,trailer or van life I think this this is best option but for a house with a good amount of yard space I prefer the compost method.
At the end of the day, it's partly your environment and it's a personal preference thing. I totally get that some folks prefer a composting toilet. This toilet was right for ME though and I've been very happy with it. Thanks for the comment!
Great content! I’d love to do a van install with this. Not sure how it would work in a wet bath though? You’ve got that Dax Shepard vibe going on.lol
Thanks! Dax Shepard, I've gotten that before and consider it to be a big compliment since he's a few years younger than me. ;)
On a sadder note, would strongly advise against using one of these in a wet bath. Electricity and water are not a good combo plus running one of these in a van would require a some form of electricity to be available on a broad and abundant basis. Wouldn't recommend for your situation. :(
In a wetbath , should be electrifying. 😅
Yes, not a good idea for sure.
Thanks for the very honest , balanced review. You said it wouldn't work in an off grid scenario? Even with 8 solar panals and a generator? Just looking at all options... thanks Andy
Hi Andrea. Thanks for the kind words. I won't go so far as to say that it can't work in an off grid scenario. It's more about whether it's the best option for an off grid scenario and if you want to invest in the additional infrastructure (generator, solar panels, batteries) to make it happen. Does it make sense to have a $10,000 solar set up to power a $2,000 electric toilet? Do you want to run a generator for 90 minutes every time you use the toilet? It can be done, but if you watched my other video on toilet options: th-cam.com/video/kIhGTT_uj9k/w-d-xo.html it's more about choosing the toilet that makes the most sense for your budget, needs and environment that the toilet will be used in. So all that being said, can you, for example, have a standard flush toilet in a school bus conversion? Sure, but it mostly would only make sense if the bus is permanently parked in the back yard of a house that has ample water and sewer availability...you get the idea.
It works off grid. You just need a beefy system. Check out my Incinolet in my van👍
@@TinyIndustrial thank you , you answered my posted question, ill check out your other video, thank you. great video. your daughter is a doll
I wish you'd shown what the ashes look like. It's just a weird concept for me, I never knew this existed.🤔 But thank you for posting this video.
In my video the ashes are shown and dumped.
Yes, sorry. Didn't think that people would find that interesting. Maybe I misjudged the interest. Apparently "Off Grid Philosophy" shows that in their video.
Does it make that noise for the whole hour/burn cycle? Sounded pretty loud to me. Great vid! Thanks!
Yes, that's the vent fan that you are hearing. Pulls the smoke out of the house and vents to the outside. Without an active fan extracting air, this toilet would smoke up the house pretty bad... It is a bit loud, true. I can sleep fine though even with it running. Kind of like white noise.
Does it get hot? if not i will consider buying it.
I think it’s worth the price. You don’t have to worry about sewage and trying to figure out how to get rid of it. I hope the papers are from recycled sources. That’s really my only concern
That's right. The source of the paper liners I'm not sure of. They are a kind of wax/parchment type paper since it has to be resistant to liquids.
Do you have a link for that toilet I saw another one but it was triple that price
High Energy consumption? Guess my hopes for not having to clean waste for the up and coming van life is ruin 😭😰 Great video
I think they have a propane option. Kind of a bulky and cumbersome thing to have in a van too. You would have to install it on rails with a flexible vent tube or similar. Likely not your best option. How far along in the van build are you?
@@TinyIndustrial I’m still at the sketching and research phase. I’ve been binge watching tons of videos on which toilet is the best. And I can say that your video is the most informative
I'm looking at options for a tiny house on land that I own, and it is well water out here that requires an electric pump, now im wondering on the energy comparison of this burning vs the energy used from the electric water pump to fill the toilet up. I d9nt know how you wouod even test it.
Put a plastic bag in your traditional toilet, add some peat moss, take a dump, tie it up, and dispose as trash. Pee into your black tank only. Drain into a bucket, pour on trees in nature as urea fertilizer. Not on Redwoods or Sequoia. Done.
@@lass-inangeles7564 pouring pee on ur trees and such with taint ur soil which is a question for the health department in ur county. E coli is a big problem with sewage now a days
May I ask what song is playing in the background throughout the video? Love it!
Good question... I'm not sure. I have some royalty free music that I purchased and I grab whatever I feel works for the video. Thanks for reaching out.
I need this!!!
Right? It's a really great device solving an otherwise potentially tricky issue.
Thank you for this review. If you lose power/electricity due to a storm or something, do you have a backup toilet source?
I do not have a backup source of power. If the power goes out that can be a problem. Would have to head into town and use a public toilet or similar. Really bad is when the power goes out during the burn cycle since it stops venting to the outside and can lead to a smoke situation in the tiny house. Not dangerous, but not pleasant. Fortunately that doesn't happen very often. Hope that helps. Do you have a tiny house that you are looking for a toilet for?
That young lady is absolutely adorable.
Thank you. She is. I agree.
Nice. At the present, I'm almost totally off-grid. If I ever get into a sticks & bricks scenario (ya never know), I'd consider it a worthwhile investment. Thanks, Chris!
Your daughter is adorable. 😃
Ah, yes, and off grid scenario does not work for this kind of toilet (unless you want to buy a lot of very expensive solar equipment). So, are you using a composting toilet at the moment?
Yes. It's kind of a Luggable Loo deal, using an RV commode with a liner instead of a bucket. I use cedar chips or equine bedding ($5.99/40 lbs) as the compost.
@@donnaarmstrong1193 Sounds like a good solution. Everybody has to figure out what works best for them.
But what if you lived in say, a shed. 10x20. And had a dedicated solar panel system for it, or maybe a generator? It is expensive but man, imagining it seems like such a payout.
Could work. Bit tricky though. Could also be cost prohibitive or simply not make sense.
Yes I get it totally and no I would be mad ! Lol Thanks for your straighness all makes sense, ps your daughter is so lovely and a credit, did a fab job when so many kids would be like noooo I'm not reporting on that lol :)
Ok, glad that made sense. I'm pretty biased in regard to my daughter, so it's nice to hear that other people think she's pretty awesome as well. :)
Ur such a white mom. Kids would love this.
good idea thanks for sharing. You can use big glass lens to focus sun energy to burn poop saving cost. Deodriser by plasma or tesla coil can reduce smell.
Solar toilet...love it.
Oh good idea. Put a fresnel lens and a solar vent fan onto a concrete box in ground...could actually flush to it vs dump to it, if preferred and water was not an issue. An upgrade to Simple Solar Homesteads design.
Thanks for testing it out. Is it self cleaning?
Aside from emptying the ash out of it every now and then, it is pretty much self cleaning. This is because you use a paper liner each time and that gets burned as well. It's part of what makes it a great solution.
Amazing!
Thanks! I appreciate the comment.
Funny, I went to the countryside, they have this setup like a diy incinolet but made from marble, with an exhaust connected to it going high up the ceiling. Inside the "incinolet" bowl is like a wide metal pot hanging with like small coals burning inside of it and underneath it like 24/7 and is filled with coal every 6 hours. There's a lot of wood around so no problem with making coals. Poop capacity would be like a bucket full of poop and coal, so probably 3-5 days. They take it out when the poop doesnt smell anymore and completely burned out, like a huge pot full of poop lol and use it as fertilizer after grounding the now toasted poop to ash. No wonder the veggie that I ate there taste a little bit earthy...
Interesting. Yes, I suppose that's an option. Would be good to hire a person to ensure that the fire never goes out. :)
That would be great for a House Boat living docked . You would need one with a holding tank too.
True. Great for a lot of solutions. Shed conversions and auxiliary dwelling units as well.
Great video. So in the case that people are in a cabin bigger than a tiny cabin and many people have to go at once, perhaps there is a better design? I’m thinking if people go and they do the flush; the paper could slide out of the unit into a outdoor incinerator near by. It could be much bigger and burn much hotter with propane or another alternative gas. The military must have invented something like this?
Yes, there is likely a better way or at a minimum a different model/mechanism to suit a larger group of people/users. Part of the appeal though is that the whole thing is self contained and that you 'can' travel with it as long as you wind up somewhere where you have a source of power.
If you dont mibd me asking whete are you based? I have just buikt an off grud home in Ontario...and your work looks great!
My personal tiny house is located in upstate NY near Livingston Manor. Happy to help if you have any questions regarding any tiny house topic. Not sure if you know, but I have written two books on the topic. "The Joy of Tiny House Living": amzn.to/3pjqa1M and the newer more hands on book is "Building Your Tiny House Dream": amzn.to/36lwcGq they cover a broad array of tiny house stuff. Let me know if you have any specific questions I can address for you. Are you already living the off grid house full time?
Nicely done review. Can you give us a rough estimate of what this would cost to run for one month? I know it varies a lot but just a ball park?
Hard to say. Maybe $25 if you use it pretty regularly.
@@TinyIndustrial If used once per day??? its about $1 per use though this depend on your E costs. here its 22c/kwh its going to consume 1.8 to 2.7kwh per "burn" and 15cents per liner. if used twice daily its going to cost about $60 a month in E and Liners.
IF you live in cali double that. if you get hydro power maybe halve that. depends on what your power costs you.
Thanks
Power pricing is key.
Appreciate you sharing this review. I have planned on buying this toilet for my tiny home which is in the planning & financing stages . I did not know how much energy they consumed. What kind of set up would it take to use it off grid?? is it possible at all?
Hi. Yes, it is 'possible' to use it off grid. It comes down to whether or not it still makes sense to have this toilet in that kind of scenario though. A flush on the incinolet is about 2Kwh of power. From there you can figure out what that would take in regard to batteries and solar cells to charge those batteries. Figure maybe two flushes (night) as a conservative nightime/no recharge scenario. I think you'll find that it will require big money in batterie$ and panels. As I said, there is likely a better option for your off grid set up. Hope that helps.
@OC Strangest There are propane option which uses 12 volts for ignition
in my estimation you will need a 300ah battery (better would be 3 100ah batts in serious to increase the voltage maybe 4 as 48v is more common than 36v) higher power systems work better at higher voltages.
that is enough power for ONE FLUSH (4x100ah is enough for 2 flushes) then depending on where you live for example here in NM I bet I could get away with 3x400w solar panels or 4x330w solar panels. IE use the toilet at night. then in the morning solar panels charge up the battery in about 3 hours then you can use it again. every 3 hours with good sunlight. go with a couple more solar panels and during the day the solar will almost match power consumption.
The toilet is crazy expensive at $2300 but the CONSUMABLE cost (E and liners) is also quite high almost $1 per use. so twice a day is $60 a month. around $800 a year if used twice daily. so the ROI on the solar battery setup at least won't be too long especially with used panels. around 3 years I would guess which is not such a bad ROI actually.
Cinderella I believe.
Thanks for doing that math.
Wait so it requires an exhaust even though your model is fully electrically powered? What about the propane gas/electric hybrid models? Do those require multiple vents? I'd imagine they're harder to install and you'd have to procure a second utility resource but it would be interesting to compare how much more efficient a gas burning model could be.
Right, the exhaust is what expels the smoke from the burn process out of your structure. Think of it as doing what your range hood does over your stove. Incinolet I think used to make a propane model, but they don't anymore. I know that there is some company that I think still does do a propane version. If they send me one of their toilets, I'd be happy to test it out. :)
I have an Eco Johnwhich supposedly uses 20 -30 watts. Haven't hooked it up yet but would a 200 watt solar panel work then?
Hi. You know, that's likely the toilet option I know the least about. Is that a propane fired toilet? I'm not sure what they would use electricity for other than the ignition and the venting fan. If that is the case, you could likely use it quite well with a solar set up, but like I said, I just don't know enough about it. It's pretty pricey too, no?
Pretty cool!
Thanks Dany. What are your thoughts on this? Is this toilet a potential solution for you?
@@TinyIndustrial I like the technology inherent in this process.., but for me for hunting and fishing the 5 gallons bucket will do the job!
@@DanyRivard I hear you. It a choice that people have to make based on their own situation and circumstances. Preference and budget also play a role of course.
Would it still get enough power if you have solar Is on a cloudy day or if it's raining?
I'm really interested in incinerator toilets butts but I'm not sure if they would get power during snow season or rainy days.
It all comes down to how many panels you have and how much storage capacity (batteries ) you have available to you. Anything is possible in this regard. It's just that it doesn't always make sense to do it a particular way. You know what I'm saying?
They're great, as long as you've got mains power or another way to feed it a full kilowatt hour for every burn. If there's ANY unburned ash, either the thermostat is defective, or your use requires increasing the burn time, which is adjustable.
Could also be an exhaust constriction, or if there's a bathroom exhaust fan, it will fight against the fan in the Incinolet. You need positive air flow into the bathroom.
more like 3KWh at 1800W for 1.5 hr
Yup, have to have a dedicated source of electricity.
I think that it's lower than that since once it hits temp, it just cycles. Much like an oven does. Initial usage high and then it tapers while cycling through the remainder of the burn/flush cycle.
@@TinyIndustrial From what they told me directly, yes it cycles to maintain the correct heat, but the total consumption is about one kWh per cycle.
@@Muonium1 £1.50 a flush? May as well go back to water. Well 50p if 1kwh.
I’m wondering is you can use this with a fixed structure. Meaning can I put this in a fixed cabin and just use a grey water tank for my other plumbing?
Sure! Why not? As long as you have a source of power to run the thing you'll be fine in a fixed structure or a tiny house on wheels.
You mentioned off the grid power being an issue. How do you guys make it work when travelling in the trailer? Is it powered off a gas generator or something else?
I don't travel with this tiny house. It is very much 'parked' on the land that I own. If you wanted to travel with this toilet, then yes, you would need a generator or other source of electricity (not solar) to power the toilet.
How does it compare to the newer Cinderella Incinerator that is crazy mor expensive? Would you recommend its propane option?
As you said the Cinderella is really expensive and therefore never really made it onto my radar. That said, the Cinderella is a nice toilet. Just not sure it's worth the extra money. Would love to do a comparison video on the two of them...
Could you use this for urine most of the day, and run in the evening or do you have to let it run 1.5 hours every time you take a whiz?
Yes, definitely. You and use it and not flush...then use it again later and then flush. That works fine for wizzes. Cuts the electricity usage in half that way. :)
Thanks for this and I have 2 questions please. 1. How often should I turn it on? Per single use or every so often? 2. How often do I need to empty it? Thanks!
Hi, thanks for the comment and the questions. 1) If you just pee into it, you can use it twice before 'flushing' and running a burn cycle. Everything else, I would suggest you flush every time. 2) Emptying it depends on amount of usage. I would suggest emptying it every 10 flushes or so. That could be 3 days or two weeks. if you only spend part of your time at the location where the toilet is. Depends how long it takes you to use it 10 or so times. Make sense?
@@TinyIndustrial Urinate outside...when circumstances are ok; male and female. Keeping costs down is important...even if you're not cash strapped.
Totally agree.
Have been looking at composting toilet for my tiny home. Not sure about incinerator approach. How about smell?
Different toilets have different advantages for different situations. I love the Incinolet since it was the best solution for my particular house setup. The smell is minimal. If the combustion smell bothered you, you could always run a longer exhaust pipe up to the roofline of the house. That would eliminate all odor. It doesn't bother me, so I have done that.
Installed for my grandmother. Had to put over old toilet flange and rubber pads to lift it level off floor. Connection to pvc with rubber union seems weird. Ran straight through. My dryer vent was cracked from incinolet so had to buy a new one at HD. Do you know if flushable wipes are okay for this?
Hi. Nice of you to get one of these for your grandmother. In regard to flushable wipes...I would imagine that it would work. That said, I wouldn't recommend doing it. 1) they will burn less readily since they are wet. 2) they may contain some form of alcohol, which would definitely be bad if that were the case. 3) not sure how 'clean' they burn. Scent, odor, toxic fumes, etc. 4) not sure what and how much residue they leave behind. May lead to adhesion to burn chamber. More frequent need to clean and so on.
Bottom line is it could go fine for a while, but I wouldn't do it. You can check on their site to see if they have an official answer to that particular FAQ. Hope that helps. What prompted the switch to electric for her?
@@TinyIndustrialthsnks!! Her cottage on lake septic problematic. So we switched over to this seasonal solution. Dedicated 240v, seems to work well. I wanted to ask company also if pvc and flange min distance as this is a cottage, my pipe is literally 8" to outside with dryer vent. Was worried it would blow buring debris. Blower seems way stronger than I thought. I assume screen prevents that inside unit.
Great. 240V is likely a much better experience than my 110V. I think that the burn cycle is shorter overall on the 240. They are built like tanks and I haven't had any issues with mine in the years that I've had it (intermittent use). I have never seen any debris or similar be expelled from the pipe. Mine (as you can see in the video) points down at a 90 degree angle with a guard to keep vermin out. This has always worked fine. Emits a bit of smoke at the beginning of the burn cycle and then that's about it. Hope your grandmother is as happy with it as I am.
Cute kid and a funny subject for her I am sure...Nice job
Indeed. Thanks.
omg shes the cutest
Thanks! Yes, she is. :)
So is the solar panel option completely out of the question for the source of the toilet or would I have to increase the amount of solar I get
I would say that using solar to power this toilet is not impossible, but it's highly impractical given the massive amount of equipment needed to do so. There is likely a better toilet scenario for you if you have only solar to depend on for powering this device.
Some years ago when I first saw this brand of incinerating toilet, they had electric, propane, and kerosene models (not sure if they still have all three types -- I'll have to look). To combat any exhaust smell they had a catalytic unit that installed in the vent pipe and removed the smell, otherwise run the vent pipe up to above roof level and attach a rain/snow cap.
On the electric model that you have, what is the amperage requirement (assuming 120 VAC/60 Hz line)? Is it 15, 20, 30, 50...Amps?
Nice review. :)
Thanks! Yes, I've seen some of the other incarnations of this as well. I believe that mine is hooked up to a dedicated 10AMP breaker...possibly a 15. Not sure. I run the whole house on 30AMPs. That works for the most part with only occasional tripping of the breaker when I'm using too many things.
@@TinyIndustrial It states on the site that it needs a dedicated 20amp breaker.
@@tegan71969 he could have the temp turned down. Whatever the rating for wattage use is, it's always based on max settings, this is required by law. So if his heat isn't tuned up to max, this could easily operate on a 15 amp breaker. I also have multiple 1,500 watt space heaters that I have ran on 15 amp circuits (15 amp rated wire and 15 amp breakers). It's easily doable.
Yes, I keep it lower so that I don't exceed the overall amps. Would rather have an individual breaker pop than all the lights going out at once. Ten seems to work fine for the most part.
Thank you 😊
You're welcome 😊 Is this right for you?
@@TinyIndustrial Still looking for a piece of land, but would love to be septic free.
@@sacredstonecards9051 Ah. You are in the beginning research phase. Well, please drop any additional questions on my videos if you need any more help. Happy to try to get you some answers. Best of luck to you on your journey. :)
She is going to grow into a Knowledge-Abled Young Lady! Fantastic!!
She already is. Thanks!
We have one of these toilets but I wonder if you you ever experienced problems with it like not working properly when out of level?
Hmm. No, never had a problem with that. Sometimes my house is not perfectly level since it settles over time and needs to be re-leveled occasionally. I've never had that have any impact on the toilet however. What issues are you having?
Here’s a tip even though I’ve never used one.
Always have those liners set up and ready Incase of emergency
They are always close by. Don't take long to get in place...
How do you clean it? Can you wash it down the toilet seat with regular soap and water or is there a special spray? Do you have to disconnect it when washing it?
I generally just wipe it down the cleaning wipes. Since the all of the usage of the toilet winds up the in the paper liner, it keeps the interior of the toilet rather clean (all the metal parts). Are you considering getting one?
this is really interesting. would you recommend putting one of these in an Airbnb? just thinking that people seam to loose smarts while on vocation. ( I call it Vacation Brain) what happens if you don't use the liner? can you use newpaper that has been folded instead of the manufactured ones? Just a thought. Can a vacationing family, who is not used to this type of toilet, ruin it in any way. What happens if Johnny puts a toy down the shoot or worse dads car keys?
Yeah, I'm not sure that I would think that this toilet would be a good choice in an Airbnb scenario. In fact, I would advise against it. It won't take long for someone to use it without a liner and that leads to a very not fun clean up job involving taking the entire toilet apart. No, newspaper would not work. The liners are a wax paper and don't allow fluids to soak through. They actually hold liquid in the v-shape that the liner takes on in the bowl of the toilet. Car keys, pets and toys in the toilet will not be seen or heard from again...
For your use, get a low flush model, or one that has a high pressure pump. Go into a Starbucks toilet, lift the tank lid and check the brand name of the gizmo in there. This is a pump that forces water to shoot out. It uses much less water as it has jet power. The noise is scary so little Johnny will not be playing with it. Do not get any other type of toilet for Airbnb.
@@lass-inangeles7564 Likely sound advice... Thanks.
This seems a dream - I'm petite and getting older so lifting and hauling composing or cassette toilets is going to become an issue. I have an actual Shack (boathouse my g.fathaer fitted out) on a beach that only gets used May-Oct and only by me and an occasional guest. Has had electricity since late 40s/early 50s but new environmental regs means cesspool no longer an acceptable option. Not cheap but would mean I could use the beachhouse/shack for actually living and not just storing chairs and changing into bathing suit!
It's such a convenient solution to an everyday issue. Sure it uses a lot of electricity and no, it can't be run off a solar setup, but like you recognized, it is a really neat and simple way to get a toilet into a place where it would otherwise be difficult to do so. Is there a place online where you have pictures of the space you are talking about? I'd be interested in seeing it.
I plan on putting a vinyl floor under the toilet. Will it get to hot and burn the floor. Do I need to fire proof the floor and surrounding walls??
No worries. It's all self contained. The toilet doesn't get hot to the touch or eminate any heat. It's just hot in the burn chamber where it needs to be and no where else. Pretty remarkable product in that way.
Is it possible to use it off-grid with a 120-Volt 20-Amp Portable inverter Generator?
I suppose that could work, but do you really want to run the generator every time you 'flush' the toilet? Seems a bit excessive. I'll let you decide, but I predict there may be a better toilet option out there for you given that you don't have a dedicated source of electricity.
I've enquired about using through Councils....Cinderella by the way are a Copycat product...more expensive.
Council seem cool with it But if not doing a Septic, then a Grey Water system must be installed.... Victoria, Australia that is 😉
Yes, it would be hard to imagine that any entity would have anything against this kind of device. Also true that you still need a plan for grey water, but that is generally a lot easier to deal with than black water.
I'm interested in this could you possible run a generator once a week while burning it and doing laundry
Once a week is not going to cut it unless you only use a toilet once a week...
What happens with liquids, does that burn/evaporate as well? Is the leftovers usable as fertilizer or anything??
It turns everything into dust. Liquids are evaporated. The fine dust that remains can be easily disposed of every so often. Not sure if it would have a high value as a fertilizer or similar.
Love your daughter a ton!
Thanks! She's really awesome. I'm a lucky dad.
@@TinyIndustrial you sure are! I feel blessed as well! I’m a momma of three awesome teens! I have two girls who are 13 and 17 and my one and only son who is 15! They’re my whole world!
That's great! She is my whole world as well.
whats the voltage on this? I am looking at the manual and dont see it
Hi there. I have a 110V version. There is also a 220V. The additional power leads to a shorter run time. Have I answered your question? Are you thinking of getting one?
2:12 .. LMAO .. PRICELESS .. That face she made gave me a good laugh ..
Yup. She's awesome. :)
This would be perfect for our family's cabin. Although, I wonder if you can let urine collect...say overnight. I'd hate to run it just for liquids.
Yes, you can definitely do that. My daughter uses it in that fashion. Perfectly fine to do so.
Fun fact, if you add a splash of white vinegar to the pee, it will not smell. This could allow you to wait until you need to poo.
@@Steven-gv1ke That's interesting. I wonder what the science is behind that.
Good advice. Thanks!
Likely kills the bacteria that causes the smell in the first place?
Your daughter is smart!
I'm not sure of my electric amps..etc? With my home, what if my home isn't 20amp..lol I know I'm dumb but do you think an electrician can install more amps if I don't already have 20 amps..in my circuit breaker.?
I'm not sure how equipped I am to answer your question, but think of of the level of electrical service as being a theoretical maximum of power you can use at one time. Power needs go up and down depending on what we are using. If you have a lot of things that have high power consumption (AC, toaster oven, electric baseboard heat, electric clothes dryer, electric stove, hair dryer, etc.) they all compete for the available power. If you have an insufficient amount of overall power (that's that amp service rating), you'll get to a point where somethings got to give and you will either trip an individual circuit breaker or the main circuit breaker.
The Incinolet just happens to represent one of those high usage devices I listed out. If you don't have too many of those things, you should be just fine, but if your electrical service is already marginal for the amount of stuff you are running off of it, well then adding something like an Incinolet will not lead to a good outcome.
It's best to get an electrician involved and discuss your specific scenario with them and they'll be able to offer up custom solution for your situation. Hope that helps!
@@TinyIndustrial yes! Thank you
You are welcome.
Can you plug a power meter into the outlet and see how many kWh it uses?
If you found a power meter that fits into that outlet you could. I uses one of those single outlets that has the sideways slot. I have no idea what they are called. It would be easier to run the toilet and nothing else and see what happens right at the power meter level. That's how I would approach it.
How often do you burn it? Once a day? After X number of uses?
Hi. You run a burn cycle after every use. If you use the toilet during a burn cycle (that's fine to do), you simply hit the start button again and it resets the clock on the burn cycle and starts a complete burn cycle again. Hope that answers your question?
Would you be able to help me find a link to a toilet I saw several years ago? It uses capacitors to flash burn waste with plasma. Since it can trickle charge, it is compatible with solar.
The toilet in this video gives me the impression of a toilet on top of a toaster oven. :)
Never heard of it. Sounds interesting though. Drop a link in this thread if you find out what it was.
Plasma gasification
That's like one step short of nuclear.
I have a bathroom fan at the top of my restroom. Will this suffice or do I need to cut a hole into my tiny home?
Hi. The toilet needs a dedicated vent. Exhaust exits the back of the toilet and needs to be routed to the outside. Simply having a vent in your bathroom would not suffice. You need to run the exhaust from the back of the toilet to the outdoors. Hope that helps.
It works great off grid with generator
Yup, that does work for sure. Is that your setup?
Do you have to incinerate after every use or can you wait until you've used it 2 or 3 times ???
You can pee in it a couple times and then run one burn cycle.
Say you want to use it more than once, before you water an hour and a half of electricity. Is it just as effective burning the water?
Yes, you can do that. My girlfriend will sometimes pee in it before bed and then again in the AM. It's at that point that she 'flushes' it and runs the burn cycle. Upside is two uses before the burn and the humming sound the toilet makes doesn't disturb getting to and staying asleep.
@@TinyIndustrial thanks. It just says it is a large energy consumption. So I have several people that could care less. The electric would break me, lol.
Yes, it's a showstopper for some folks. Completely understand.
You say it has high electricity consumption, but how much is "high"? Can you wait and just use it maybe once a day?
I checked with the manufacturer site, it says only that you need to put it on a 20-amp circuit - they don't say its 240vac, so I would guess it's only 120vac... is that true?
If it only uses 15 amps or so for 1.5hrs, that's only 2.7 KWh, my RV solar produces around 10 KWh per day, so would it work with solar or especially off-grid (I'm planning a tiny home cabin it will have twice as much solar as I have on the RV) if I 'fire it up' only once or twice a day?
Yes, it's 120V. If you have a beefy solar set up, then yes, you can use this device. I would say that the device does not warrant the purchase of a beefy solar setup, but if you are already creating one anyway, then perhaps this is a good way to go.
As a male, I generally pee outside (large secluded wooded property). When you reserve this toilet only for nature's other calling, then it really doesn't get used that often. If you are just peeing in it, it makes sense to use it a couple times before 'flushing'.
Final verdict is that solar is an option to run one of these. I would just encourage you to explore all your options since a solar powered Incinolet may not be your 'best' option.
It works fine on just solar and batteries, if your system is large enough, and it sounds like yours is. The toilet uses 2KWh per "flush" because the heater cycles on/off after it reaches temperature. Figure how many times a day it will be used and multiply that by 2KWh and add that to your required system size. Note that it can be used during the middle of a previous cycle, just push the start button to start the 1 hour over again, so for a second use half way though the first cycle would use 3KWh for example.
@@lbroome Thanks for the additional details. Much appreciate you chiming in to this thread.
@@TinyIndustrial I'm glad to chime in. I love my Incinolet and I think it's a great solution for solar. I planned on having this toilet in my bus before I put in my solar so I sized my system with this in mind. I have 6.2kw PV, 8kw inverter, and 30kwh of batteries. Now you can get away with a smaller system, and not everyone will want to put in a large solar setup, but I don't have a black tank and every flush is "green" and I love it.
@@lbroome That's super cool. I love that you made that work. Solar is really amazing. As the costs for components continue to drop over time it really becomes not just the best but hopefully the only way to go that makes sense.
1 kw per flush per the mfg. in michigan at this point, out the door cost is like .25 cents per flush
Yup, that sounds about right. Not bad right?
Question: Can one use water to clean oneself after using this type of toilet? Where I´m from, we always use water whether it´s number 1 or 2.
Not sure what you mean? If you mean washing your hands, yes, that is still recommended after you use this toilet.
@@TinyIndustrialI think they mean a bidet
@@hmmm2564 Never seen a bidet in a tiny house. If the question is: Could you add a bidet toilet seat to an Incinolet? The answer to that would be 'no'.
@@TinyIndustrial besides the bidet seat, there is bidet sprayer. It is not attached to the seat but next to it.
@@TinyIndustrial Thank you for replying. I meant, instead of toilet paper, most people in the world wash their privates with water after relieving oneself (by pouring water). We have a "water can" that we fill with water. Bidet is only in rich countries. So I guess..the answer is that these toilets cannot tolerate having water taken in?
2 Incinerators.. $4000ish. Installing a septic system $8K-$12K. Seems like a good alternative to me. Anyone know if one of these can be ran while connected to a generator?
Totally agree. Plus, some places aren't even really suited for a septic install. Dealing with grey water is a whole lot easier than black and this gets you pretty far down the field to the goal. Thanks for the comment.
Could you concievably use newspaper as a liner?
No. The wax paper liners that the toilet uses do not absorb or let liquids and moisture through. A newspaper would and you wouldn't want that. If you want and have the time and energy to do so, you can fold the liners yourself. Incinolet sells a template that makes folding them pretty easy. I find that they are affordable enough so that I don't feel a need to do that DIY step of making them myself.
How many inserts do you get?
They sell them in boxes of 400 I believe. About $20 for a box.
Would you have any way to figure out how much money it costs for hydro use on a monthly basis? Just seems like it would be a noticeable difference since it’s probably running about 8 hours a day if you have a family using it. Thanks
Not exactly sure what you mean by hydro use (powered by water?). Do you mean what this costs vs. a flush toilet? That's kind of an apples to oranges comparison if that's what you mean. This toilet saved me $20,000 by having me not install a septic system. That's a lot of flushes. :)
Let me know if I missed the point of your comment.
@@TinyIndustrial it’s hydro burn isn’t it? I would assume there would be a notable difference in the amount of hydro used before the toilet was installed and after a month of use?
@@richvail7551 Still not sure what you mean by hydro burn. It's electrical. There is a coil in there that gets glowing hot and that is located in the burn chamber and combusts everything in there. No propane; No hydrogen; No natural gas, etc
@@TinyIndustrial k np. I just thought with your monthly hydro statements you might have an idea if it was hard on hydro usage like say one would notice baseboard heaters were costing upwards of a thousand dollars annually. This type of information may help someone decide wether it’s financially sound over time as well as the intern. Thanks for considering my question though.
@@TinyIndustrial Hydro = Electrical utility bill in some places such as Ontario. I think it comes from dams making electricity from water powered generators. I'd estimate 13¢/Kwh so a 2 Kwh flush would cost 32 cents plus the cost of the liner. Is my math right?
How many watts does it use?
Please go to www.incinolet.com for all the various specs of the unit.
An hour and a half??? What about days when you have diarrhea? It needs its own generator! I thought this would be great for my camper but I don't know if I can supply that much energy.
How much would you say this thing weighs?
Yup, about 75 to 90 min. You can use the toilet again during those 90 minutes. You don't have to wait for it to finish the burn cycle before using again. Just add a new liner, use, hit the foot pedal and hit the start button again. That resets the timer and a new 90 minute cycle starts. Unless you have a reliable and dedicated supply of electricity, I would not recommend you use this toilet. It's pretty heavy...about 30 to 40lbs I would guesstimate. Not for everyone, but perfect for my situation and needs. In a camper you may just want to go the RV toilet route or composting. Hope that helps!?
Its the tf2's pyro's toilet 🚽 🔥
Pyro works. Cheaper than septic setup...
add one extra stage before incineration to press poop and remove water content , this saves burning time and complete burn. Use uvc lamps to desalintate water before exit.
Sound like that would make for a more complex toilet that is more prone to breaking ($$$). Part of this units charm is that it's simple and does one thing really well.
Aloha, Thoughts on installing the Incinolet on my sailboat? We are always careful with flames on boats. Mahalo for the great tutorial & review....
I'm sure it could be done, but I'm guessing ample amounts of electricity are hard to come by on a sailboat. Doable, yes. Best option, likely not. What do people on those round the world sailing trips do? Doesn't the waste ultimately just have to go into the ocean? Whales poop, no?
@@TinyIndustrial Ocean Cruisers are allowed to discharge raw swage 3 miles out. Garbage too as long as the trash has no plastic. Larger boats have huge holding tanks with treatment devices so the sewage is a bit cleaner. Chinese fishing boats are notorious for not following any rules & some have ‘heads’ that are a toilet with a hole into the ocean on a deck that hangs over the stern.
Thank you! I will go with a composting head for now!
Yuck. Stay away from Chinese fishing boats in that case.
I was told by the manufacturer that if you wire it for 220 it will burn up the waste in about 20 minutes
Yes, much faster in the 220V. Makes sense. More juice = faster and hotter.
“If you’ve done hard time in prison” lol loved that
Damn, right. Nope, no hard time for me.