Should You Buy a 2.7l Silverado or F-150?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2023
- I’ve been asked for my thoughts on the GM 2.7l vs the Ford F-150 2.7l. Some basic differences are that the Ford is a V6 while the GM is an inline 4. The Ford has twin turbos and the GM has a single. Otherwise they are both very comparable and either will serve you well.
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I have owned both 2.7 f150 and 2.7 silverado. The ford was great, the silverado was in the shop non stop for mechanical issues, burning oil, pumping exhaust into the cab, burning antifreeze... I finally gave up on it after a year of ownership and 28,000km's. I really wanted to like it and keep it for a decade, but i just didn't have the time to be constantly taking it to the dealer.
You got unlucky bud.
This has been GM build quality for over 20 years.
Back in 2017, I went to the Ford dealer to buy a new pickup with a V8. The salesman showed me one with the 2.7L V6. I was skeptical so he took me on a ride and had me drive part the way. I was amazed. I still own it and have had no problems to date now in 2023. I'd say that's an indication of reliability. Not sure of the GM's but the Fords work great.
Thank you for your feedback! That 2.7l Ecoboost is tough!
I wouldn’t trust anything GM puts out
Same with Ford
I have a 2020 Silverado Custom 2.7. I was very leery. Now I think it’s just fine. The tow on my 4x4 crew cab is 6700#. I tow a 21 foot boat no problem. The 2.7 was built like a diesel and it’s under square so it should last. The 8 speed is just fine. I remember thinking 4 speed autos were so cool. I get 22 mpg average, in towing it really like it’s fuel. It goes down to 13. And as far as the sound, it’s a quiet truck, you don’t here it.
GM claims the "dual valoo" turbo or however you pronounce it. I can hear my turbo whine in reverse at idle in my 23 custom 2.7. Never heard those noises in my 14 SHO 3.5 twin turbo. We will see how the 2.7 treats me.
Thanks for the video!
the problem with the silverado 1500 is the 24 gallon gas tank when towing ford has a 36 gallon with the tow package chevy does not have it
It would be nice to have the larger tank. That is a good point. I can go about 200 miles before I am really hunting a gas station. I’m the SE where I live it’s not hard to find fuel but I could see it getting a little close on some of those long western stretches of roads. I haven’t personally had an issue since my bladder needs a break every 2-3 hours.
Thanks for watching and commenting
Greetings from Denmark I have some questions about your nice truck can you tell me what is the lowest speed you can drive in the last gear and how many rev does the engine running in that speed and last what is the factory gear ratio in the axels
i got a 2020 f150 2.7 reg cab base model xl for 24k they had 6k in dealer incentives on labor day it was the cheapest truck on the lot and maybe the world st the time and don't even get me started on the 2023 truck prices they simply are not worth it i wanted a toyota tacoma 4x4 but sttled for this cuz it was 10k less so i followed the money trail have a paid off truck and i'm not a slave to the lender and that is priceless
Had my 2018 F150 for five years. Mileage empty for the 2.7 Eco was great, but fell off even just towing a fishing boat. Bought it for the mileage as we went 300 miles up north to a camp where we had a seasonal lot. Bi-weekly trips in the summer put lots of miles on. Only towed the boat in spring and fall.
Thanks for your comment! One thing I learned early about these turbo motors is that you can either have Eco or you can have Boost. But not both at the same time. My wife’s little 2.0 ecoboost is the same way. When we drive it economically it can bring back great MPG. SPIRITED driving drinks the fuel. Same for my truck. Except when towing it’s like 50% or less of my empty MPG. I appreciate you watching.
@@jeremsgarage Sold my trailer up north a year ago. No longer needed a truck so now I'm rockin' a 2023 Bronco Sport with a smokin'' 1.5 turbo 3 banger. Be times I'll miss the truck for sure.
@@fredhinck9685 enjoy that Bronco! I’d love to play with one for a few hours. 😅
But it’s nice with the eco, you have a choice of good mpg or not. With the v8 there is no choice
In equal displacement engines like the 2.7 V6 and 2.7 Inline 4, the 4 cylinder will naturally make its peak torque at lower RPM than the 6. This is because the 4 cylinder's larger piston will have a faster torque rise than the smaller V6 piston.
The easiest way to demonstrate this is with a 200 CID engine example, one a 4 cyl and the other a V8. The 4 cyl's 50 CID piston will have a faster torque rise than the two 25 CID pistons firing 90 degrees apart on the V8, allowing the 4 cyl torque to peak at lower RPM.
Theoretically if both V8 and 4 cylinder have the same volumetric efficiency, both will make the exact same peak torque and peak HP, but the 4 cylinder will be at about 38% lower RPM than the V8, due to the V8's 2 smaller pistons having to fire 90 degrees apart to equal one 4 cylinder piston, meaning the V8 cannot mathematically make the same torque and HP at the same low RPM of the 4 cylinder.
However, in the real world the 4 cylinder will likely make more torque and power than an equal displacement V8 because an inline 4 has a simpler more efficient valve train, has fewer moving parts and less internal friction, plus the inline, crossflow head design can easily have greater volumetric efficiency, and inline engine cooling is much more efficient than on a V-bank engine.
The V6 will be less below the 4 cylinder than the V8, but will still require higher RPM for the same peak torque and HP as the 4, because of the 6's smaller pistons.
these modern turbos in ford and gm have no turbo lag. if the gm reaches peak torque at 1500 there is no lag. My work truck is a ford 3.5 eco and it has no lag. They run great, they accelerate like a v8 twice their size. I bought the Silverado, I am happy with it. will it last, hope so. My 3.5 eco has had quite a bit of work done to it at 207000 miles, but never a head off and never the bottom end. just the usual cam phaser, exhaust manifolds, throttle body, it runs good, does not use oil, makes good power is quiet. I bought the silverado in May because they came off MSRP by 10k. FYI crew cab 4x4, custom, very pretty truck for 42k. OTD 46k. Taxes are a killer. from San Diego to Tuscon 2 times at 80 mph and got 18.5, pretty bad had wind going home. God Bless -7/29/23
Thanks for the comment! My 2.7l does have some turbo lag. I am not sure if that has been tuned out in the new 2.7l HO. However, it is nothing like a 1999 Powerstroke that I drove, but it is still there. Headwinds can kill MPG for sure!! I appreciate you watching and commenting.
I have this truck and have put 15k miles on. Started running really rough at around 7k and the techs at the dealership won't troubleshoot it without a code to run on. Rough acceleration and can feel everything through the gas pedal. Engine gets loud enough that I can barely hear the turbo. Don't know what to do about it. Fuel economy has gone down as well
You can have the f-150 hacked to jump @ peak around 1500 rpm. You will lose a little gas mileage but it’s a game changer. Makes the difference to big to ignore. Ecoboost is a better engine. But gm is new to the game. So give them some time.
Yes, the Ecoboost is a fine engine.
I have a 22 with 87k on it already. Great run around truck. If you have a heavy foot , they will eat tires like a V-8.😊
NICE! I still love driving mine. I am getting close to 35k miles and thinking about new tires. I am probably going to go with some All Terrain LT tires. Do you have any suggestions on Tires?
@jeremsgarage 46,000 kilometers on my '22 2.7. Been running Firestone Destination XT's year round with good success. No issues in snow at all, great traction off-road and not terribly loud on the highway.
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chevy or ford? Im loving that elevation. Im considering getting one
Glad to hear the success on these engines. Chevy is making a 2.5 version going into the Traverse. I’m seriously considering buying one.
Having the driven both and owning the 2.7 Ford. The 2.7 gm just feels loud and buzzy like it's working too hard. It's ok at speed. The 2.7 ecoboost effortlessly moves the truck around smoothly and quietly like I expect from a modern full size truck.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Appreciate you watching and commenting. The 2.7l GM drive by wire throttle is a little laggy off idle. I found that same thing on my last 5.3l and a few 6.2l’s we tested.
This is not a dig at the Ford…just my preference. I appreciate that GM has let the sound of the 4cyl be its own authentic thing. It doesn’t have augmented engine sounds like the Ford Eco’s in the cabin.
But all in all, the Ford makes a great truck and the 2.7l v6 is a well proven and fine engine.
Take care, friend.
Gm 2.7l is quiet I can't hear it if it's loud and buzzy then you are redlining the piss out of it and it won't last I have had no reason to redline it only had mine a couple of days but it has plenty of power so far haven't had to pull a trailer with it but power is comparable to the ly6 6.0 vortec in my 08 2500 hd
@@Trailboss22357 Didn't floor it at all, but it was a first year 2.7, so maybe it's not as refined as the later ones.
Z71 package in Silverado dictates 4 low transfer case. Not trailboss option per say. if it is a Z71, it will have 2 speed transfer case.
Thanks for the clarification! Appreciate you watching.
My 5.3 has been bulletproof… however, ten years later, it seems turbos are more available. I’m between the tundra and a Chevy 2.7. I need six seats though… I don’t think the tundras can do that, so Chevy it is
Is the middle front seat only for kids?
@@extotes91ulrich yes, when my youngest gets older. My boys used to love riding up front though. We’re a family of six, but we like to haul the OHV’s to local trails.
plus i put a tune on it and its scary fast
What company did you go with for your tune?
I have 2016 2.7l ecoboost xlt 4x4 6 speed no issues
I have a 2023 gmc Sierra 2.7l 4x4
The GM feels like a nicer truck on the inside but it is a higher trim level
The 2.7l ecoboost is my Dailey it feels faster and better on fuel
I wish I had gotten another EcoBoost with a higher trim level than my xlt instead of the gmc 2.7l
whats the purpose of all of those extra gears? My 2009 silverado has 4.3 v6 195hp, 4 speed and it get me there..lol I prob be like a kid in a candy store with 310hp and 8 gears
they just help keep the engine at the proper RPM for the speed. It is super helpful to keep the trucks pretty efficient. I am old school and grew up with the 3 and 4 speeds. 8 speeds for me is just like you said. I am a kid in a candy store with this truck :). Thanks for watching!
I got a 2008 4.3 silverado as well. Can't wait til I can sell it. Leaks oil everywhere and lacks so much power
@@alexbombela3411 you are right about leaking oil. Mine is leaking oil like crazy, and I cant seem to find anyone ot fix it without leaving it with them for 2weeks or paying an arm and a leg.
You can give it a shot yourself. I replaced the valve cover gaskets and oil pan gasket by watching YT videos. Only thing is the oil pan still leaks on mine even though I torqued everything to spec and used a quality gasket
@@alexbombela3411 yeah ive been thinking about. i may try it when the weather cools.
Well, the GM only has one exhaust manifold/header vs a V6 having two. Ford and Chevy has had problems with their 10 speed. 9 times out of 10, it’s not going to shift up unless you’re going over 80. They’re too tall.
Thank you for the feedback on the 10 speed. I figured that it has to be something about the powerband as to why GM keeps sticking with he 8 speed. Mine does shift a little wonky from time to time but in all honesty, my 6 speed in my 2011 Tahoe shifted wonky at times too. I appreciate you watching! Take care friend.
The 10 speed was a joint Ford… GM thing.
@@ronaldnorris2179 You’re right. I didn’t type it in correctly.
Like he said with the twin turbo with the ford, you have two turbos, with the Chevy you have one turbo. If the ford fails with a turbos, you have one left to get you home, with Chevy you call a wrecker to get home
Good point!
Also one unavoidable fact when comparing the 2.7 V6 to the 2.7 inline 4. The bottom end of the 2.7 4-cylinder is 1/2 of a 5.4 V8, so the 4 has the same stout bottom end, crankshaft and 5 main bearings of the V8. The 2.7 L V6 on the other end has a 1.35L 3-cylinder bottom end, with 4 main bearings. I'm far more confident about the ability of the 4 cylinder to handle 400+ ft lbs of torque long term without problems than I am that mechanically weaker 2.7 L V6.
Here’s a “HUGE” reason to say “NO” to “ALL” the Ford engines “WET-BELT” what’s that ?? Ford now uses a “RUBBER” belt to drive the oil pumps check out the videos on you tube specifically a engine tear down video from you tuber I do cars a Rubber belt immersed in oil inside the engine compartment 👎👎👎 sounds like Ford being cheap to “FATTEN” the “EXECUTIVE” “BONUSES” !!!!!
@@MrJEEPJT both of you guys just keep spouting all this bull💩in every video that’s made, don’t you ever get tired of lying daily?🙄
@@paulhunter9613 So you trust the Ford design with a wet belt ??
@@MrJEEPJT when there are plenty of those engines with 180-220,000 mi I would say yes. Other manufacturers also use it
@@paulhunter9613The Rubber belt driving the oil pump how much Labor do you think would be involved down the road front of engine dis-assembly to replace that belt ?? Very costly maintenance item … please check out You Tuber:
I do cars search for his recent video he dis-assembled a 2.7 eco-boost with the rubber belt he gives accolades to certain aspects of this engine but he’s definitely apprehensive about a rubber belt in the engine compartment… he also has another video where he takes apart the previous generation 2.7 and he shows a side be side comparison the chain driven oil pump is definitely more inspiring. The plastic oil pans are also high lighted. Can we all agree that we have to pay much more of our hard earned money than our fathers or grandfathers did ??? I can honestly tell you I’ve never beat on any of the trucks I’ve owned and I’ve had the maintenance done to owners manual guidelines… I
Can’t trust a rubber belt inside the engine compartment… GM, Ram, and Toyota use chains … look up the video I mentioned see the engine dis-assembly
Why need God's name GM not use the 4.3L (262 CID) in the PRO 1500 SWB and LWB trucks. I purchased a 1986 C-10 (1500) LWB with the 4.3L (262 CID) with the only option, a 35-gallon aux tank. I was able to drive 1,100 HWY miles between fillups. I've been watching TH-cam/reading posts of mechanics stating reoccurring problems with GM's power plants 2.7L (165 CID), 5.3L (323 CID), and 6.2L (403 CID). There are only two solid GM engines, the 4.3L (262 CID) and 6.6L (403 CID). My first used truck was a 1963 I6 270 CID (4.4L) with a 4-speed stick shift LWB that I bought from the original order in 1982. Additionally, I owned a 1988 Chevy S-10 2.5L (153 CID) 2WD SWB. So, until GM gets their act together, I'm GMC SIERRA 2500 HD CAB) 6.6L (403 CID) SLE 2WD LWB or Savana 3500 Extended Passenger Van 6.6L (403 CID). The main reasons are the 6.6L (403 CID) is old-school tech, meaning no auto start-stop; dynamic cylinder deactivation; and either can tow 10,000 lbs trailers. The Savana has a slight edge over the Sierra carry family members and two Large DOG crates. As a Senior, I require a vehicle with safety features to assist me in driving on blacktop roads in Georgia.
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If you want the best tool, then why, or how do you justify this horrific purchase? That Don't make No Sense.
Hmmm. I'm trying to understand.
The F150 and the GM 2.7l are both capable half ton trucks, used within their capabilities they are both great choices capable of towing more than 9,000 lbs and can have up to 2,000 lbs of payload.
4 cylinder turbos are a good match in the mid size class but, 6 cylinder turbos would be best. However, there should never be 4 or 6 cylinders in full size trucks. Thats insanity.
Please, Check out my latest towing video to see just how crazy 😌. Thanks for watching.
Makes more torque than the f-150 V6 with an inline 4. All that matters is the power is there.
pass on both will only buy a truck with a v8 end of story
V8’s are cool.
2.7 Silverado 5,000 miles, Tcm issues, should’ve kept my f-150! Shit fuel mileage and tcm issues! Keep your F-150! Pulling a lemon law on my 23 2.7 turbo Silverado! Garbage!
Sorry for your troubles. I got 27 MPG yesterday on mine. It’s not been to the shop one time for anything but preventive maintenance. F-150’s are great trucks too. I’ve read identical posts to what you just posted on every brand. None of them are perfect and they all make lemons.
My 2022 Colorado owners manual and the salesman at the dealership both say my truck is rated for 7000 lbs towing, but the sticker inside the door frame does not list the tow rating?? I am confused
The tow sticker is on the full size trucks. I got a 2023 canyon, same thing, no towing sticker for weight.
I the towing of the 2022 depends on the engine and trim. Owner’s manual or dealer should be able to look it up for you. I am sure Chevy has it on there website as well.
@jakegroenig5820 mine is 7000 lbs, my manual says it, I have the tow package, but tow rating stickers should be on all vehicles with a tow package, thank you for getting back to me
I'm a Chevy fan, had 2 Ford's, both had issues
Ford refused to do the honorable thing back in the late 80s and properly paint my 1 year old truck that had never seen an auto car wash or a pressure washer. They had tried some new primerless paint process and the paint was coming off all over the place.
I told them I was going to boycott them for life if they didn't do the obvious honorable (and legal contractual) thing and they refused so that's what I've done for the last 34 years.
Found On Road Devoid of paint..
@@user-3tf67bk46u we had a 2012 explorer iron man, v8, the main computer went, they knew about this issue for this certain computer, I called asking for help, they wouldn't even split the cost or help us find a place to get it worked on, we traded for a 2015 f 150, it had transmission issues from day 1, traded it 6 months later for my 2016 Silverado z71 off road, traded it for my 2022 Colorado redline edition last June, chevy for me, no more ford's
I too decided to boycott an Auto maker for sorry business practices. Having the Government bailout GM made sure I'd never buy from them. They took our money and gave us no product at all to drive, devoid of paint or not.
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