The ending is especially stupid because "go back in time and stop from being born" is basically the solution to any and every problem the X-Men could possibly have. Yet the audience has to accept that Charles never bothered to use it again.
Right? It's almost funny how simple, and almost cheesy, of an ending this was, until you think about it for all of 2 seconds and wonder why this hasn't happened a LOT more often. Like I get you shouldn't mess with the timeline and all, but there have been many other catastrophic threats that going back in time would've either let them completely avoid it, or at least get a huge jump on it so they're more prepared.
@@BatDad-qu4fo Basically every single great tragedy throughout history now happened because those two decided not to stop it. Time travel is such a messy plot device
@@BatDad-qu4fo Realize there is only one Tempest. Since she wasn't an original X-Men you have all the problems before she was born out of the question, then you have the fact that Prof. X would never willingly sentence someone to absolute death at least not unless absolutely necessary. In this case it was completely justified.
Not necessarily. So, hear me out, in a universe where Loki does not exist, the avengers would never have been formed, and thus, civil war didn't happen. However, Thanos would have destroyed the earth eventually. So, every little alteration to any important event to the past, is LARGE alteration to the current present.
He will always be a mutant. Disney/Marvel were just being douchebags at the time because fox owned the xmen which is the mutants of marvel. Look at the way mutants were being treated and shut down during that time and how they tried to make the inhumans their new top mutant crew
I maintain a headcanon in which all of that nonsense was a scam perpetrated by Reed and Xavier as follows: -Reed and Franklin complete a sufficient # of new universes to create a self-sustaining multiverse -Seeing the level of power Franklin is now capable of, having been exercising his reality warping muscles for so long, fears his son will be corrupted by his own power and decides an illuminati solution is needed. -Reed completes Moira Mactaggert's abandoned "mutant cure" research and puts it in Franklin's cheerios. -Reed fabricates the weak "well your powers must have been all used up" response. Krakoan Era begins -When Franklin goes to Xavier for help, Reed backchannels to Xavier and basically says "I will not let you turn my son into your Nuclear Arsenal or back up plan. You have plenty of other deterrents. I've already blocked his X-gene, so the gates should turn him away and if he asks, gaslight him and tell him he was never a mutant." -Xavier, trying to get geopolitcally stable and not wanting a very public battle with the globally renowned family of heroes agrees to cut off one poisoned limb for the safety and betterment of all.
Yo, one thing i noticed after watching you for years and being a lover of science myself, Rob you have the same cadence and excitement as Niel Degrase Tyson when he talks about space and physics. Which you have your own spin on but also makes you so easy to listen to as well as intake the information without burnout so well. Hope you’re doing good though and the families healthy!
It’d be cool if Xavier didn’t actually prevent his parents from meeting, but instead slightly shifted his approach and made it so that Matthew Malloy developed a better understanding of his powers, living a life apart from the X-Men and really honing his skills in secret. And maybe Xavier made himself forget, as to not confront Malloy before he was ready. I could imagine Matthew Malloy at some temple, some sort of Marvel equivalent to the Room of Spirit & Time from Dragon Ball Z, training his mind and his powers in such a way that he could be a benefit to creation if ever things did fall apart. Where, if the world needed it, he could be the “mutant messiah” the world needed. I highly doubt that reality works the way that Xavier stated it would: that Malloy’s parents just now never met, that reality simply would never be. And that’s cruel. It’s something I don’t think Xavier would ever do. That’s a far worse fate than killing someone, which he refused to do prior. I bet you Malloy is alive.
It's so hard to tell if Xavier is good or bad. He always rides a razors edge of manipulating people and saving them. If Xavier can't directly control or manipulate someone, he cuts them off completely.
Marquis of Death, Mad Jim Jaspers, Mr. M. Jamie Braddock, Franklin Richards, Legion,Scarlet Witch, Nate Grey and Mathew Malloy should all form a special team.
Or they go back to the present and find out hes still there, like how his powers stopped him from dying the first time his power also keeps him cemented in any timeline he chooses
@@AniSwiftTVRecaps Kinda like Captain Jach Harkness from Doctor Who/Torchwood. He is a fixed point in spacetime, there is simply no way to get rid of him.
The original version of this video was the first video of yours i ever watched. Oh how far you've come rob. Thanks for providing such great consistent content over the years.
It just feeds back into revealing how much a hypocrite Charles is. There have been mutants or threats which pose a clear and present danger where Xavier would justify not taking certain measures but this shows that he will always throw all of his values away if something undermines his goals - he's really just as bad as Erik. It may be a deus ex machina ending but the story was never about Matthew Malloy to begin with.
@@KryyssTV He wasn't a hypocrite at all. He had a vision of peaceful coexistence, his life's work. To achieve such a vision, sacrifices need to be made.
@@danieljoseph9439 And those sacrifices just so happened to include the values he claimed to follow, advocate for and expect others to adhere to. ie. a hypocrite
If Hope Summers copied the abilities of Mimic, Multiple Man, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Rachel Grey and Shadowcat, she could take down the entire world by herself in a few minutes.
@@SwezMT because my original layout used members of Excalibur to make the ultimate mutant. Hope would be the most powerful mutant. You can't be more powerful than "most." So, why would she need Manifold's teleportation more than Nightcrawler's agility ?
@@CyclopsWasRight616 For a start Nightcrawler can only travel to places he knows or can actually see. He is also restricted by distance. Manifoled can travel to places he has never been, can travel MUCH farther and can take a lot of people along for the ride if he chooses. He can alse become invisible and generate blasts of solar plasma. However he does not have Nightcrawlers other abilities like night vision, wall crawling and healing. I guess it depends what exactly you are after. If it is just the teleportation however then Manifold is defintely superior. I want to ask a similar question however. Why Mimic? Hope Summers already has the same basic ability plus more. Why would she even need Mimics powers? Am I missing something here?
I think Hope mimicing Mimic's mimic would cancel each other out. My reference is, Hope, as a baby, brought Rogue out of coma. - Second coming or Messiah complex
So the writers just get to decide how time travel works as long as it benefits them? Also young Charles absolutely would’ve read her mind to make sure he could trust her. So Charles knew everything that was coming and basically allowed himself to get killed by Cyclops?
The story of Matthew is so sad. I would of loved to see a "What if" comic about him actually being in control of his powers and seeing what might have become of Matthew. BTW, I still have the original vid of this saved. It's definitely one of my favorites.
I love the story of Matthew Malloy Rob you were actually the first person who introduced me to him when you had first did a video on him. I wish they would add him to more storylines
Shouldn't the "time travel manipulation" of Xavier create an alternate timeline? Also if Mathew was never born than Xavier had no need to time travel, so Matthews parents would meet and Charles would time traveel... And we have a paradox... Or another universe in the multiverse?
I always liked this story. Self-contained. Well written characters including Matthew. Shows how far the X-Men go when they have to. How Charles would get blood on his hands if he absolutely has to, but doesn't want the stain on his students or mutantkind.
it actually show they don't believe in their principals at all and are only paying lip service. ironically what Magneto has been accusing them of for decades . the X-men never stand up for their beliefs when it really matters.
This story made me hate time travel. It was so lazy. They can do this literally for everyone and it makes everyone's actions and achievements meaningless.
how does it make everyone's achievements meaningless? I just dont follow that logic. the way I saw it, it was more that they had to be so desperate against this threat that they had to delete his existence and deal with the ramifications of that level of meddling.
It's funny that Rob has a hard time understanding how certain time travel antics aren't paradoxes, but here, we have a very definitive grandfather paradox and he just accepts that it's logical, but anticlimactic
Malloy was just a plot device to reveal the kind of hypocdite Charles was. It was justifying Scott's dissolutionment after idolising someone who he'd treated as both a mentor and father-figure. It didn't excuse the murder of Xavier but it firmly established just who he was in his heart.
Matthew Malloy was a throwaway unhinged copycat version of adult Franklin, possibly a test run for the final form of Franklin depending on when those stories were written. Matthew is about as powerful as a cosmetic being, if not stronger since Marvel confirmed his powers towered over Scarlet witch at her house of M peak. His problem was a manner of not knowing how to fine control them, but Matthew's power was probably Cosmic being level. And marvel isn't a stranger to making characters that just dab on Cosmic beings. If he was as strong as a cosmic being, why didn't the Tribunal get involved? Well, for one he wasn't a threat to the balance of reality yet, and two the Tribunal probably knew that Malloy was a closed loop, similar to Marvel zombies which if not for the closed loop, is a multiversal threat.
I swear in the LOKI tv show, they mentioned how they had to prune and 8 year old. It was in an early episode, does anyone else remember someone in the TVA mentioning that. It couldve been referencing mathew malloy
Mad jim jasper, mathew maloy, legion, x-man, marque of death. We must throw all of them in one multiversal squad and make them fight demons like oblivion, cytorak and so on.
@@pbsuite facts, but He can control them. He just doesn’t. They make Legion’s character believe in himself based on how much people believe in him. So when a personality of Legion’s named the Fiend faked like he was Prof X and told Legion he was proud of him Legion was stronger. When Magneto told Legion he believes in him he was able to do what needed to be done. When Legion heard Prof X tell him he loves him when his personalities were going wild in his head he then pulled them all inside of himself. So it’s not that he can’t, he literally can at any time. He just for some reason doesn’t unless he knows people don’t see him as a screw up. But now recently in Sons of X Prof X started believing in him after he disappeared, so once he realizes that I want to see how he acts.
I mean how is this not a good ending? It's a logical conclusion. There's a dangerous and unstoppable threat, time travel exist, why would I not go back in time to stop said threat from existing?
@@shadowx8145 time travel is only acceptable as a solution if time travel is a core component of the overall story like in Back to the Future, The Time Machine, Time Cop, and Primer but when the only solution you can come up with to stop a threat is in act 3 someone says "hey, we've always had the ability to go back in time, lets just go and stop them from being born!!". that's almost as weak as the "it was all just a dream" ending to get yourself out of the corner you wrote yourself into. If your character has the ability to go back in time and stop bad things from happening, why isn't that the first solution to every problem then? its a cop out of an answer to shitty writers who aren't cleaver enough to solve the problem they created. And before you ask, yes, I didn't like Endgame for that exact same reason. It would have been cooler if they had tried to recreate the infinity stones than to do time travel heist, even though I am glad that Steve finally got to have his dance with Peggy.
@Jon7763 I may be mixing things up but I'm pretty sure the xmen comics do have a pretty weird relationship with time travel. Like, they do it a lot and so they have explanations for why they don't just use it all the time. I viewed the ending as good bc it really showed how desperate Xavier felt about the situation. AFAIK the only other time the idea of time travel abortion was thrown around was with mutant messiah so it has some gravity to it.
@@shadowx8145 It's a literal deus ex machina. Similar to It was all just a dream. Magneto is a giant threat. Go back and kill the nazis and give him a good life. The phoenix force does insane shit. Go back in time and stop it from possessing someone in the first place. Time travel is a lazy and easy solution to all problems. Like using god mode in a difficult level cause it's too hard.
Any time i hear the name Charles anymore, I immediately think of that old 90s youtube clip dubbed over xmen with the juggernaut... CHAAWLES!! So i heard "CHAAWLES IN CHAWWLESTON!" 0:05
27:00 I think Matthew Malloy should be so powerful that even his parents not meeting shouldn't work. He should be able to WILL himself to existence by changing the past and put things in their original course after Xavier changes it. That would be so AWESOME !
Great remaster! I loved the original upload but I had completely forgotten that's how they had to beat him, for some reason I was thinking he unmade himself
Hi, casual marvel fan here. Since the trailer for Xmen 97 had magneto bring in a book called “the last will and testament of Charles Xavier,” does that mean they’re adapting this storyline, or is that going down some other rabbit hole? Thanks!
Marvel actually has five mutant grades: Omega: The best at what they do; their power is pretty much off the scale. Can affect planets or bigger (Storm, Prof. X, Magneto). Alpha: Powerul, but nowhere near Omega (Emma Frost, Havoc, Mystique) Beta: Power is useful, but more "average level" (Wolverine, Shadowcat, Colossus) Gamma: Weak powers but are generally useful (Vanisher, Toad) Delta: Mutants, but whose mutations tend to hurt the mutant (Beak)
Xavier is an alpha level mutant. Omega is defined by not having (or knowing of) a limit to their power. Storm can effect weather on any planet to any degree. That's omega level. Charles' powers are confined to a certain level of restriction, this alpha level. Emma is omega level telepath with an alpha secondary mutation being her diamond skin. Your list is horrifically wrong. Lol
@@recycledsoul5908 1) It depends on which definition of "Omega" we're going with: The new version is that there's only one Omega (it's the best expression of the power in question, and so that usually defaults to Jean Grey here. 2) You've got it reversed: Emma has always been listed as an Alpha until recently: While she's powerful, she herself has pointed out that she's nowhere near Xavier's power. However, her skill with her power allows her to fight Jean and Xavier. [However, you are correct: Her telepathy received an upgrade, putting her on the Omega level. However, she's still below other telepaths in terms of raw power, but she's arguably one of the most skilled telepaths.] Xavier, on the other hand, has accomplished feats that Emma has no chance of pulling off without assistance: He's both united the mental power of the world to defeat the Z'nox and was able to reach out to the Shi'ar Empire to start a relationship with their empress, Lilandra. Storm, BTW, doesn't just effect planetary weather: She's been able to affect the solar storms
Hey Rob!! I callenge you to do a 4-way of Mathew Malloy, Scarlet Witch, Legion, and Franklin Richards. I know what the comic books say. But i want to see this reality bender handled by a true professional. You got this Rob. Everybody cheer him on. Rob Corp!! Rob Corp!!
Anyone remember the mutant who by 6:04 just being in his vicinity , youd die, wolverine was the only one who could talk to him, and all Logan did was covince him to off himself
Yes, I couldn't remember if wolverine actually ended up offing him or not. I seem to recall a story where they had a few beers and wolverine had to leave because his healing factor wasnt keeping up, but he left a gun and heard the shot as he walked away. Am I confusing two stories?
@@rustyshackleford3518 I thought the kid asked him if he was going to kill him and Wolverine didn't answer the question and just told him to finish his beer. The next panel saw Wolverine walking out alone with his claws out. I could be wrong though.
I just got marvel unlimited. It's fun listening to your videos and then going and reading the content you tell us to read. Thank you. Please keep titles for books and stuff in descriptions I appreciate it.
What if all the beyond omega level beings that were unexisted were brought back by the entity oblivion because he would be the only power that could do that? The Marquis of Death, Matthew Malloy, Hyperstorm were all essentially erased from existence but still exist within oblivion himself because he is the literal embodiment of nothingness. If there is an opposite to oblivion it would be the Phoenix force because it represents all potential possibilities. They could be agents of either one potentially.
He's like that kid in the Twilight Zone movie who could control reality with his mind. The kid in the movie was so powerful he made he made the whole universe disappear.
So temptest goes back in time, grabs professor X, conjours a plan to have Matthew's parents never meet? And that reverses all the damages Matthew caused? The guy probably can bring himself back from this too. Haha.
Gotta love a story where the conflict could settle with a nice, _calm_ chat, but everyone wants to either enact violence or have the person choose a side while under stress.
Nate Grey is another freaky level telepath. Would be interesting to see Copycat mimic an Omega maybe storm. Also there is an Arakko Omega level mimic. Lastly Frankin Richards is classified as never have been a mutant at all. He is a cosmic energy mutate who wanted to be special so made himself appear to be a mutant.
At Franklin's power level, mutant or not is meaningless. He CAN become a mutant and then undo it if he wants. He can make you a mutant or not. He's fried MUCH bigger fish.
He actually is, Prof X already stated that Legion's power dwarfs any one person's power. This was after Legion allowed him to fully feel his true power. And he said the things Legion goes through on a daily basis would be hard for a regular person to live, so the fact that he has a mental disorder it should be unbearable. And this is all without him merging all of his personalities back into himself or transcending.
Bendis definitely wrote himself into a corner with this one, at the time everyone I know was livid at how this story ended. All New All Different X-Men had a good concept but yeah... lol I don't even remember how the young team got sent back to their original time.
Actually got chills when Magneto shows up, dressed in white, glowing like an Angel. Its exactly the kind of geandeous theatric he might use to acquire a powerful ally, but It wasnt even intentional, its was genuine (relatively speaking).
Okay i like this ending. It made it into an alternate timeline. It also leaves it open to where Marvel could do a whole run of Matthew Malloy and what happened since this comic in an alternate timeline.
Why do I feel like mathew would just, rematerialize himself, like an unconscious reflex. cause I mean, he can control reality and if time travelers can make paradoxes, I think mathew can make himself live while having no origin (parents not meeting) other than his powers
Morgan LeFey can fully erase him from existence, The Ripper, sorry, Sentry could erase from existence. Loki of Stories could erase any and everything about him. It was just a cop out run.
This was also part of the conclusion of Peter F Hamilton's Void trilogy. It was sad as the character that had to go back in time had to stay there after altering the past, and knew his children and grandchildren were all lost to time.
I’m not gonna lie I would love to see a comic of an alternate universe where Matthew Malloy is alive and asserted himself as a god fights main universe Franklin Richards and is brought over to the main universe as an anti hero
The ending is especially stupid because "go back in time and stop from being born" is basically the solution to any and every problem the X-Men could possibly have. Yet the audience has to accept that Charles never bothered to use it again.
Right? It's almost funny how simple, and almost cheesy, of an ending this was, until you think about it for all of 2 seconds and wonder why this hasn't happened a LOT more often. Like I get you shouldn't mess with the timeline and all, but there have been many other catastrophic threats that going back in time would've either let them completely avoid it, or at least get a huge jump on it so they're more prepared.
@@BatDad-qu4fo Basically every single great tragedy throughout history now happened because those two decided not to stop it. Time travel is such a messy plot device
Yes, a very stupid solution
@@BatDad-qu4fo Realize there is only one Tempest. Since she wasn't an original X-Men you have all the problems before she was born out of the question, then you have the fact that Prof. X would never willingly sentence someone to absolute death at least not unless absolutely necessary. In this case it was completely justified.
Not necessarily. So, hear me out, in a universe where Loki does not exist, the avengers would never have been formed, and thus, civil war didn't happen. However, Thanos would have destroyed the earth eventually.
So, every little alteration to any important event to the past, is LARGE alteration to the current present.
Well actually it ends with Tempest telling cyclops that she did that and that she'll do the same to him if he ever decides to go too far
Man if Sinister knew of the genetic combination of the parents of Matthew Malloy.
Youd have an even more terrifying enigma.
That actually happened in the comics
@@negadoge really, how come? can you elaborate?
@psychopassisamasterpiece1997 technically it did happen but didn't at the same time. It was from a What If.
@@negadoge can you tell me the number or name of the comic where it happened? thanks a lot
That ending was the equivalent of them making Franklin human again and was supposedly never a mutant.
He will always be a mutant. Disney/Marvel were just being douchebags at the time because fox owned the xmen which is the mutants of marvel. Look at the way mutants were being treated and shut down during that time and how they tried to make the inhumans their new top mutant crew
@@RACALDERONRBut didn't Fox also own F4?
I maintain a headcanon in which all of that nonsense was a scam perpetrated by Reed and Xavier as follows:
-Reed and Franklin complete a sufficient # of new universes to create a self-sustaining multiverse
-Seeing the level of power Franklin is now capable of, having been exercising his reality warping muscles for so long, fears his son will be corrupted by his own power and decides an illuminati solution is needed.
-Reed completes Moira Mactaggert's abandoned "mutant cure" research and puts it in Franklin's cheerios.
-Reed fabricates the weak "well your powers must have been all used up" response.
Krakoan Era begins
-When Franklin goes to Xavier for help, Reed backchannels to Xavier and basically says "I will not let you turn my son into your Nuclear Arsenal or back up plan. You have plenty of other deterrents. I've already blocked his X-gene, so the gates should turn him away and if he asks, gaslight him and tell him he was never a mutant."
-Xavier, trying to get geopolitcally stable and not wanting a very public battle with the globally renowned family of heroes agrees to cut off one poisoned limb for the safety and betterment of all.
It seems that he was. And he definitely was a mutant
imagine the bad guys get Mathew malloy and stuff him in a skinner box lol
Yo, one thing i noticed after watching you for years and being a lover of science myself, Rob you have the same cadence and excitement as Niel Degrase Tyson when he talks about space and physics. Which you have your own spin on but also makes you so easy to listen to as well as intake the information without burnout so well. Hope you’re doing good though and the families healthy!
It’d be cool if Xavier didn’t actually prevent his parents from meeting, but instead slightly shifted his approach and made it so that Matthew Malloy developed a better understanding of his powers, living a life apart from the X-Men and really honing his skills in secret. And maybe Xavier made himself forget, as to not confront Malloy before he was ready.
I could imagine Matthew Malloy at some temple, some sort of Marvel equivalent to the Room of Spirit & Time from Dragon Ball Z, training his mind and his powers in such a way that he could be a benefit to creation if ever things did fall apart. Where, if the world needed it, he could be the “mutant messiah” the world needed.
I highly doubt that reality works the way that Xavier stated it would: that Malloy’s parents just now never met, that reality simply would never be. And that’s cruel. It’s something I don’t think Xavier would ever do. That’s a far worse fate than killing someone, which he refused to do prior.
I bet you Malloy is alive.
You think the writer of this issue would have thought such an idea?
Xavier keeps so much secrets for someone that's suppose to be building trust.
And you keep buying comics from hacks. Who has the biggest L?
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Wait wait wait... Did Mathew Malloy just create Fin Fang Foom when he was 8?
No😂
It's so hard to tell if Xavier is good or bad. He always rides a razors edge of manipulating people and saving them. If Xavier can't directly control or manipulate someone, he cuts them off completely.
I kinda wanna see Mathew Malloy, the Marquis of death, and Franklin Richards meet up lmao
Yeah, that'd be awesome
Throw in the prime Mad Jim Jaspers for good measure! ahaha
Leaving Legion and Nate Grey out is insane
Marquis of Death, Mad Jim Jaspers, Mr. M. Jamie Braddock, Franklin Richards, Legion,Scarlet Witch, Nate Grey and Mathew Malloy should all form a special team.
@@asssassyn why would people who can solo most of Marvel form a team…..?
I hope they make a part 2 where Mathew shows up the second they try and keep his parents from meeting, and he just says “no”.
Or they go back to the present and find out hes still there, like how his powers stopped him from dying the first time his power also keeps him cemented in any timeline he chooses
@@AniSwiftTVRecaps Kinda like Captain Jach Harkness from Doctor Who/Torchwood. He is a fixed point in spacetime, there is simply no way to get rid of him.
Legion is stronger
Or after they leave he's hiding behind another further away tree and says "I think I'll stay" and changes his father's mind back 🤣
I love what Eva says to Cyclops after it all. I was hoping you'd cover it.
The original version of this video was the first video of yours i ever watched. Oh how far you've come rob. Thanks for providing such great consistent content over the years.
I wish they did more with Matthew Malloy. I love how powerful he was and how the world saw him.
Can he beak goku though😂😂😂
In all seriousness, legion is more powerful , he can give himself any power
The dude so powerful they literally had to *abort him from time* 😂 thats some jojo shit right there, ahhh comics
It just feeds back into revealing how much a hypocrite Charles is. There have been mutants or threats which pose a clear and present danger where Xavier would justify not taking certain measures but this shows that he will always throw all of his values away if something undermines his goals - he's really just as bad as Erik.
It may be a deus ex machina ending but the story was never about Matthew Malloy to begin with.
@@KryyssTVCharles was always a hypocrite, Magneto just didn’t pretend.
X force couldn't even make themselves do it to apocalypse. Yet prof x doesn't hesitate.
@@KryyssTV He wasn't a hypocrite at all. He had a vision of peaceful coexistence, his life's work. To achieve such a vision, sacrifices need to be made.
@@danieljoseph9439 And those sacrifices just so happened to include the values he claimed to follow, advocate for and expect others to adhere to. ie. a hypocrite
If Hope Summers copied the abilities of Mimic, Multiple Man, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Rachel Grey and Shadowcat, she could take down the entire world by herself in a few minutes.
Why Nightcrawler? Manifold's teleportation abilities are far superior.
@@SwezMT because my original layout used members of Excalibur to make the ultimate mutant. Hope would be the most powerful mutant. You can't be more powerful than "most." So, why would she need Manifold's teleportation more than Nightcrawler's agility ?
@@CyclopsWasRight616 For a start Nightcrawler can only travel to places he knows or can actually see. He is also restricted by distance. Manifoled can travel to places he has never been, can travel MUCH farther and can take a lot of people along for the ride if he chooses. He can alse become invisible and generate blasts of solar plasma. However he does not have Nightcrawlers other abilities like night vision, wall crawling and healing. I guess it depends what exactly you are after. If it is just the teleportation however then Manifold is defintely superior.
I want to ask a similar question however. Why Mimic? Hope Summers already has the same basic ability plus more. Why would she even need Mimics powers? Am I missing something here?
@SwezMT they are but if the universe doesn't want to do what she asks then she's stuck. MAGICK would be better than night crawler. Almost no limits
I think Hope mimicing Mimic's mimic would cancel each other out. My reference is, Hope, as a baby, brought Rogue out of coma. - Second coming or Messiah complex
So the writers just get to decide how time travel works as long as it benefits them? Also young Charles absolutely would’ve read her mind to make sure he could trust her. So Charles knew everything that was coming and basically allowed himself to get killed by Cyclops?
The story of Matthew is so sad. I would of loved to see a "What if" comic about him actually being in control of his powers and seeing what might have become of Matthew.
BTW, I still have the original vid of this saved. It's definitely one of my favorites.
Marvel really did pull out the most convoluted contraceptive ad out there
I love the story of Matthew Malloy
Rob you were actually the first person who introduced me to him when you had first did a video on him. I wish they would add him to more storylines
Legion can give himself àny power
He is too overpowerd.
Malloy isnt the strongest mutant . Legion is insanely overpowerd
Shouldn't the "time travel manipulation" of Xavier create an alternate timeline? Also if Mathew was never born than Xavier had no need to time travel, so Matthews parents would meet and Charles would time traveel... And we have a paradox... Or another universe in the multiverse?
I think higher tier beings in marvel stop the paradox from happening such as eternity
I always liked this story. Self-contained. Well written characters including Matthew. Shows how far the X-Men go when they have to. How Charles would get blood on his hands if he absolutely has to, but doesn't want the stain on his students or mutantkind.
it actually show they don't believe in their principals at all and are only paying lip service. ironically what Magneto has been accusing them of for decades . the X-men never stand up for their beliefs when it really matters.
This story made me hate time travel. It was so lazy. They can do this literally for everyone and it makes everyone's actions and achievements meaningless.
@@pol139 I mean, the X-Men aren't the first ones to use time travel to lazily wrap up a story without any effort and I'm sure they won't be the last.
how does it make everyone's achievements meaningless? I just dont follow that logic.
the way I saw it, it was more that they had to be so desperate against this threat that they had to delete his existence and deal with the ramifications of that level of meddling.
It's funny that Rob has a hard time understanding how certain time travel antics aren't paradoxes, but here, we have a very definitive grandfather paradox and he just accepts that it's logical, but anticlimactic
I really want Marvel to bring back Matthew Malloy he’s so interesting
They just got rid of sentry they ain't going to bring back another bullshit character
Malloy was just a plot device to reveal the kind of hypocdite Charles was. It was justifying Scott's dissolutionment after idolising someone who he'd treated as both a mentor and father-figure. It didn't excuse the murder of Xavier but it firmly established just who he was in his heart.
idea he just shows up like he pulled himself from non exitance into reality
Matthew Malloy was a throwaway unhinged copycat version of adult Franklin, possibly a test run for the final form of Franklin depending on when those stories were written.
Matthew is about as powerful as a cosmetic being, if not stronger since Marvel confirmed his powers towered over Scarlet witch at her house of M peak. His problem was a manner of not knowing how to fine control them, but Matthew's power was probably Cosmic being level. And marvel isn't a stranger to making characters that just dab on Cosmic beings.
If he was as strong as a cosmic being, why didn't the Tribunal get involved? Well, for one he wasn't a threat to the balance of reality yet, and two the Tribunal probably knew that Malloy was a closed loop, similar to Marvel zombies which if not for the closed loop, is a multiversal threat.
@@thefallencog"A cosmetic being"
THE GOD OF MAKEUP
I swear in the LOKI tv show, they mentioned how they had to prune and 8 year old. It was in an early episode, does anyone else remember someone in the TVA mentioning that. It couldve been referencing mathew malloy
You’re the best! Always a cool late night listen about mutants we don’t know/ haven’t seen yet.
Mad jim jasper, mathew maloy, legion, x-man, marque of death. We must throw all of them in one multiversal squad and make them fight demons like oblivion, cytorak and so on.
exactly, even though atp Legion could just make personalities that are exactly like them
I think Jim Jasper's powers only worked in his native universe. That's how they beat him, by wiping out his universe to nothing but a white void
If legion could control his powers , he can litterally give himself anypower😂😂😂. If their is a broken character , legion is broken
@@pbsuite facts, but He can control them. He just doesn’t. They make Legion’s character believe in himself based on how much people believe in him. So when a personality of Legion’s named the Fiend faked like he was Prof X and told Legion he was proud of him Legion was stronger. When Magneto told Legion he believes in him he was able to do what needed to be done. When Legion heard Prof X tell him he loves him when his personalities were going wild in his head he then pulled them all inside of himself.
So it’s not that he can’t, he literally can at any time. He just for some reason doesn’t unless he knows people don’t see him as a screw up. But now recently in Sons of X Prof X started believing in him after he disappeared, so once he realizes that I want to see how he acts.
@@lou98t It sounds like he's kinda depressed tbh.
Good to see you remastering your old vids
so this is a M. Night Shyamalan ending for sure
All they had to do was call Doreen Allene Green aka “Squirrel Girl”, Matthew wouldn’t stand a chance
when you can't write a good ending.... use time travel
I mean how is this not a good ending? It's a logical conclusion. There's a dangerous and unstoppable threat, time travel exist, why would I not go back in time to stop said threat from existing?
@@shadowx8145 time travel is only acceptable as a solution if time travel is a core component of the overall story like in Back to the Future, The Time Machine, Time Cop, and Primer but when the only solution you can come up with to stop a threat is in act 3 someone says "hey, we've always had the ability to go back in time, lets just go and stop them from being born!!". that's almost as weak as the "it was all just a dream" ending to get yourself out of the corner you wrote yourself into. If your character has the ability to go back in time and stop bad things from happening, why isn't that the first solution to every problem then? its a cop out of an answer to shitty writers who aren't cleaver enough to solve the problem they created. And before you ask, yes, I didn't like Endgame for that exact same reason. It would have been cooler if they had tried to recreate the infinity stones than to do time travel heist, even though I am glad that Steve finally got to have his dance with Peggy.
@Jon7763 I may be mixing things up but I'm pretty sure the xmen comics do have a pretty weird relationship with time travel. Like, they do it a lot and so they have explanations for why they don't just use it all the time.
I viewed the ending as good bc it really showed how desperate Xavier felt about the situation. AFAIK the only other time the idea of time travel abortion was thrown around was with mutant messiah so it has some gravity to it.
@@shadowx8145 It's a literal deus ex machina.
Similar to It was all just a dream.
Magneto is a giant threat. Go back and kill the nazis and give him a good life. The phoenix force does insane shit. Go back in time and stop it from possessing someone in the first place. Time travel is a lazy and easy solution to all problems. Like using god mode in a difficult level cause it's too hard.
That's the best and only way to end it on a mutant so powerful it seems
Great issue and video!
Love your videos on Matthew Malloy they are wicked
I still think legion is more powerful
That was so well done by you; honestly. I watched every second. It’s so interesting and story
He wasnt raising a military force AGAINST humanity, it was for defense. If they fire first then he will fire back
The first video i ever saw of yours was your old Matthew Malloy video. Man time flies.
Any time i hear the name Charles anymore, I immediately think of that old 90s youtube clip dubbed over xmen with the juggernaut... CHAAWLES!!
So i heard "CHAAWLES IN CHAWWLESTON!" 0:05
16:58 Storm looking good in that costume. It’s a killer design.
27:00 I think Matthew Malloy should be so powerful that even his parents not meeting shouldn't work. He should be able to WILL himself to existence by changing the past and put things in their original course after Xavier changes it. That would be so AWESOME !
Great remaster! I loved the original upload but I had completely forgotten that's how they had to beat him, for some reason I was thinking he unmade himself
At 27:00 did Matthew give himself anime eyes? Interesting use of his powers, I guess.
Saw the Last will at the end of the '97 trailer and freaked out for a split sec till Magneto said he was getting the Xaviers stuff.
Hi, casual marvel fan here. Since the trailer for Xmen 97 had magneto bring in a book called “the last will and testament of Charles Xavier,” does that mean they’re adapting this storyline, or is that going down some other rabbit hole? Thanks!
Thank. You. Rob! Love your content! Can't wait for Xmen 97!
This is the same thing I thought when I saw Magneto with it in the commercial.
Marvel actually has five mutant grades:
Omega: The best at what they do; their power is pretty much off the scale. Can affect planets or bigger (Storm, Prof. X, Magneto).
Alpha: Powerul, but nowhere near Omega (Emma Frost, Havoc, Mystique)
Beta: Power is useful, but more "average level" (Wolverine, Shadowcat, Colossus)
Gamma: Weak powers but are generally useful (Vanisher, Toad)
Delta: Mutants, but whose mutations tend to hurt the mutant (Beak)
Xavier is an alpha level mutant. Omega is defined by not having (or knowing of) a limit to their power. Storm can effect weather on any planet to any degree. That's omega level. Charles' powers are confined to a certain level of restriction, this alpha level. Emma is omega level telepath with an alpha secondary mutation being her diamond skin. Your list is horrifically wrong. Lol
An omega level mutant is a mutant who's powers have no ceiling. Prof. X has never been omega level
@@recycledsoul5908 1) It depends on which definition of "Omega" we're going with: The new version is that there's only one Omega (it's the best expression of the power in question, and so that usually defaults to Jean Grey here.
2) You've got it reversed: Emma has always been listed as an Alpha until recently: While she's powerful, she herself has pointed out that she's nowhere near Xavier's power. However, her skill with her power allows her to fight Jean and Xavier.
[However, you are correct: Her telepathy received an upgrade, putting her on the Omega level. However, she's still below other telepaths in terms of raw power, but she's arguably one of the most skilled telepaths.]
Xavier, on the other hand, has accomplished feats that Emma has no chance of pulling off without assistance: He's both united the mental power of the world to defeat the Z'nox and was able to reach out to the Shi'ar Empire to start a relationship with their empress, Lilandra.
Storm, BTW, doesn't just effect planetary weather: She's been able to affect the solar storms
Is he as powerful as Mad Jim Jaspers? That would have been an awesome meeting!
@@recycledsoul5908 prof x is omega because he can control omega level beings into doing whatever he wants
Hey Rob!! I callenge you to do a 4-way of Mathew Malloy, Scarlet Witch, Legion, and Franklin Richards. I know what the comic books say. But i want to see this reality bender handled by a true professional. You got this Rob. Everybody cheer him on. Rob Corp!! Rob Corp!!
This is a good video Rob. Funny thing is I’m from South Carolina and I know actually where Newberry is at. 😂 lol
Man I loved the artwork on this by Chris Bachalo - especially his women, Majik, Emma, Rachel, Storm.
mathew malloy is just an unstoppable disintegrating machine
So is legion
I have listened to almost 15 hours of this fella talking this week.
Anyone remember the mutant who by 6:04 just being in his vicinity , youd die, wolverine was the only one who could talk to him, and all Logan did was covince him to off himself
I think Wolverine killed him because of the radiation he emitted, he couldn't ever learn to control it
Pretty sure Logan gave him a beer before killing him; you're on about the story that ends in the cave with the two of 'em, right?
Yes, I couldn't remember if wolverine actually ended up offing him or not. I seem to recall a story where they had a few beers and wolverine had to leave because his healing factor wasnt keeping up, but he left a gun and heard the shot as he walked away. Am I confusing two stories?
@@rustyshackleford3518 I thought the kid asked him if he was going to kill him and Wolverine didn't answer the question and just told him to finish his beer. The next panel saw Wolverine walking out alone with his claws out. I could be wrong though.
I can’t believe how often Rob brings this guy up for a one off story
I just got marvel unlimited. It's fun listening to your videos and then going and reading the content you tell us to read. Thank you. Please keep titles for books and stuff in descriptions I appreciate it.
What if all the beyond omega level beings that were unexisted were brought back by the entity oblivion because he would be the only power that could do that? The Marquis of Death, Matthew Malloy, Hyperstorm were all essentially erased from existence but still exist within oblivion himself because he is the literal embodiment of nothingness. If there is an opposite to oblivion it would be the Phoenix force because it represents all potential possibilities. They could be agents of either one potentially.
He's like that kid in the Twilight Zone movie who could control reality with his mind. The kid in the movie was so powerful he made he made the whole universe disappear.
So temptest goes back in time, grabs professor X, conjours a plan to have Matthew's parents never meet? And that reverses all the damages Matthew caused? The guy probably can bring himself back from this too. Haha.
Man you ran this out fast af!!!!!!! You the truth
Hold up,I thought Franklin Richards is and was the most powerful mutant in marvel?
He calls everyone “The most powerful”…..if he actually went by comic statements he’d know it was Legion.
Theres a list lol
Continuity is not the Marvel method.
Franklin isn't a mutant.
He was retconned into being a mutate however, now he is depowered
He's not a mutant...that was a very shirt lived belief. That's why the X-men left him alone.
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Actually his last thoughts were probably 'Scott Summers, I wish you weren't killing me right now.'
Iceman is cold af
Gotta love a story where the conflict could settle with a nice, _calm_ chat, but everyone wants to either enact violence or have the person choose a side while under stress.
I really wish they'd bring him back for another story.
"it was all a dream." an epilogue to this would be Malloy going up to that girl and saying "hi"
Until next month when it's another mutant no one's heard of before
i will say just one thing...WELL DONE XAVIER!!!
based off the thumbnail… i thought it was gonna be forgetmenot lmaoo
Nate Grey is another freaky level telepath. Would be interesting to see Copycat mimic an Omega maybe storm. Also there is an Arakko Omega level mimic.
Lastly Frankin Richards is classified as never have been a mutant at all. He is a cosmic energy mutate who wanted to be special so made himself appear to be a mutant.
At Franklin's power level, mutant or not is meaningless. He CAN become a mutant and then undo it if he wants. He can make you a mutant or not. He's fried MUCH bigger fish.
@@JulioConnory He is depowered now & still would not make him a mutant anyway. Just look at Scarlet Witch.
I like the ending its practical and makes sense and simple . How real life should be .
Moving skeletons around is not the same thing as 'resurrecting them from the dead'...
seeing multiple major characters die will always result in time travel shenanigans. it's been done multiple times in the comics and even in the mcu.
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PSA: Legion isnt more powerful than Mathew Malloy
He would be if it weren't for the personalities that come with each power. He's crippled by his mental illness
He actually is, Prof X already stated that Legion's power dwarfs any one person's power. This was after Legion allowed him to fully feel his true power. And he said the things Legion goes through on a daily basis would be hard for a regular person to live, so the fact that he has a mental disorder it should be unbearable. And this is all without him merging all of his personalities back into himself or transcending.
PSA: He totally is. David has reality warping powers as well.
I don’t think that was crappy, I think that was one of the best stories I’ve ever heard
Bendis definitely wrote himself into a corner with this one, at the time everyone I know was livid at how this story ended. All New All Different X-Men had a good concept but yeah... lol I don't even remember how the young team got sent back to their original time.
That was an awesome start of a story and right b4 the climax it falls flat.
Actually got chills when Magneto shows up, dressed in white, glowing like an Angel. Its exactly the kind of geandeous theatric he might use to acquire a powerful ally, but It wasnt even intentional, its was genuine (relatively speaking).
26:36 Brian Michael Bendis painting myself into a corner. . .
Thanks for taking me on that ride, and reminding me why I don't read Marvel comics anymore. :)
Okay i like this ending. It made it into an alternate timeline. It also leaves it open to where Marvel could do a whole run of Matthew Malloy and what happened since this comic in an alternate timeline.
I haven’t even watched the video yet and I know you about to go crazy Rob 😂 mannnn lemmee tell you summin!
awesome content...just found this channel!!
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Rob is the most powerful comic youtuber in all of Marvel.
I thought she was lost in time before she found Professor X. That what made the story better.
Love Tempest. She was my favorite part of this run from what I can remember.. its been awhile haha
That ending was such a cop out lmao
Matthew Malloy vs legion. That would be an interesting interaction.
According to Reddits r/whowouldwin.... it's Legion.
Why do I feel like mathew would just, rematerialize himself, like an unconscious reflex. cause I mean, he can control reality and if time travelers can make paradoxes, I think mathew can make himself live while having no origin (parents not meeting) other than his powers
Morgan LeFey can fully erase him from existence, The Ripper, sorry, Sentry could erase from existence. Loki of Stories could erase any and everything about him.
It was just a cop out run.
I can appreciate the Rhody Approach
This was also part of the conclusion of Peter F Hamilton's Void trilogy. It was sad as the character that had to go back in time had to stay there after altering the past, and knew his children and grandchildren were all lost to time.
That ending is some BULLSHIT man! They dropped the ball on that ending. Great video tho Rob, you da man
Wow. I was really invested in this story lol
Nah he'll come back down the road. "You thought you could stop me from being born?!" lol
Still feel like Legion could easily deal with Malloy. Legion could just make it so reality never even contained Malloy.
there is no other way to end a story like this than a complete self retcon, a character like that is near invincible.
I always thought Matthew Malloy, Nate Grey and Legion to be the most powerful of mutants they r crazy OP
i think the ending is good in context. there’s like… literally nothing else that could have done lmao
I’m not gonna lie I would love to see a comic of an alternate universe where Matthew Malloy is alive and asserted himself as a god fights main universe Franklin Richards and is brought over to the main universe as an anti hero
That is literally the best endy just unborns him which gives him the option to come back later if writers decide to
imagine matthew malloy gets stuffed in a skinner box lol