What's always bothered me about X-Men stories concerning Orchis and other agencies, is that they'll do very blatant things like these and yet none of the other Marvel teams ever come to the X-Men's aid and their lack of support has never been addressed outside of the start of the current run.
I mean it's happening everyday irl, world hunger could be solved within a month or two of selflessness but people are selfish and scared to be the change. Similarly, I wouldn't expect the Avengers to pivot for me unless it benefited them But just as a real world audience I agree, I wanna see more hero solidarity. A taste of it with Peter isn't satisfying to me
@@nailinthefashion That's less a in universes problem and more out of universes. Unless the character are under the same titel , hero's have to handle problems alone.
@@nailinthefashionthat argument makes no sense, because the avengers and X-Men are definitely friends most of the time, and the avengers are most definitely selfless. You can't compare the real world and comics without first acknowledging decades of stories that shows that how very different both sides are. It's more believable to say that they are busy and they are. Hulk is useless and a hermit again. Iron man is broke. Thor is fighting old gods. Spider-Man is fighting in a gang war. Black widow and Cap are actually helping and if mutants heads weren't so far up their butts maybe they wouldn't be in this situation.
@@hellblaze10 yes and no. I don't think the Avengers need to get named to be referenced in an Xmen run but there's probably some sort of branding choice to make the titling clear as you mentioned, because at the end of the day the Xmen need to fix their own problem. That's why I really enjoy things like Empyre or Secret Wars because it feels like a big Marvel party.
@@blackhand441 I think canonically literally everyone is busy you're right but it still feels like if they weren't they'd be prioritizing their human-y politics over Krakoan. I don't think they'd be mean about it just not understand the gravity of the shifting And you're also right about Natasha and Steve being on the right side of history this time. Lord knows Steve can be super misguided and need a lil mind wipe
If a court finds you guilty, they can only punish you until you die. If the Phoenix finds you guilty, being dead will not be enough to protect you from its wrath. Scott has his priorities in order.
Its so good to see Cyclops just be a stoic, uncaring, strategic, fearless badass. Yes, his mutant power is to be able to destroy essentially anything that he looks at. But his strength has always come from his control and intellect that he had to develop because of the unleashed destruction he had to always worry about
I would be biased with a war against all of humanity but this Earth is on orchis side and they have no intention of ever coexisting with mutants but only with there own kind I guess this is understandable but only the future is going to determine if this will turn out for the better or for the worst😢
I might be wrong here, but I think Cyclops' warning was TO Dr. Alia: about Karima and the Sentinels, and not the other way around. We know from Inferno, that Omega Sentinel, Nimrod and Moira plan to eventually double cross Orchis. Cyclops was "looking" at Karima when he asked what would happen next. And Karima is the one that cuts the conversation short. Afterwards, when they are celebrating, Dr. Alia looks a bit paranoid as the Omega Sentinel is ordering Nimrod around and is talking about Sentinel City. So, yeah. I think Cyclops is trying to warn humanity about the Sentinel/AI threat,
That was my interpretation when I read the comic. Once the mutants are eradicated, the machines would no longer require humans and will turn against them. As you mentioned, this concern was raised in Inferno. Even the post-humans, like the Children of Tomorrow (cyborgs), acknowledged the potential threat posed by machines, particularly the Phalanx and the Machine Dominion. The Four Sinisters aimed to avoid this future, each seeking to achieve Dominion first to defeat the machines, driven by the paranoia of the original Nathaniel Essex. This underscores the overarching theme of the Krakoa era: the conflict between organic life forms and artificial intelligence/the struggle between living beings and machines. And since humanity produces mutants, they are next.
😂"Angry" Colossus is a scary thought. Good natured nice guy Colossus is already a beast, if he's on "It's like that... On sight" mode, it's going to be a bad day.
I think the only way to deal with him, Hulk, or Juggernaut would be to yeet them in to space to chill out lol or teleportation. Would need to be an omega level telekinetic to physically stop em
The last time I saw Colossus THIS pissed was in the Morlock tunnels during the original Mutant Massacre when he snapped Riptide's neck, he said, "pray to your gods, little man, because your are NEXT!!!" THIS AIN'T A FUCKING GAME, DOG!!!
Although his mutant power allows him to destroy whatever he looks at, his true strength had been developed by having to learn control and figure out ways other ways to accomplish his goals using his intellect. Love seeing him like this
I would be biased with a war against all of humanity but this Earth is on orchis side and they have no intention of ever coexisting with mutants but only with there own kind I guess this is understandable but only the future is going to determine if this will turn out for the better or for the worst😢
I think what Cyclops was speaking of to Omega Sentinel is the fact that once all mutants are gone humans will be eradicated next. The machines do not see a difference. And in Inferno she and Nimrod killed all those agents.
Cyclops's memories weren't removed. His memories of the event weren't backed up since the team that attacked the Forge were too far from Earth to maintain the link that preserved their memories, so when he was reborn, he only had his memories from before he went on the mission.
Correct. Several things about Rob's recollection of the events seem to be off, including of this very comic, but you're spot on. Memories have to be backed up, and the moment of a mutant's death is often not backed up because it's unexpected (before the next scheduled backup) or they're out of range (like in the case of the assault on the Orchis Forge). This is also not a declaration of war on humanity, this is the X-Men, mutants and allies taking the war to Orchis openly.
Its not even him, just a simulacrum… anyone revived while having some of the memories of the deceased , as you said if not backed up, are lost so they are copied and could be copied while alive .. Ergo anyone revived is literally just a simulacrum of the dead original..
@@WeAreInYourWall Agreed. That's the one thing I think they missed tightening up with the way The 5's powers contributed to bringing their clones online. Going by the 5 specifically, they could have established that Proteus's contribution was actually warping reality in a way that connected their true essence (their astral self, spirit or soul) to the physical clone body when the telepath inserts the memories. That would have been a solid reason for not activating multiple clones too, as any other would be an empty homunculus (subject to possession by demons) while the first had the true essence. Elsewhere (and I'll spare all that extra detail) I posted that a different 5 mutants should have also been in operation whose job was to traverse the afterlife of various pantheons and underworlds to retrieve or negotiate for dead mutants' souls. It wouldn't have even been weird for X-Men stories since they've often linked Mutant energies to Mystic energies, have several characters who lost and regained all or parts of their souls, and have characters linked to various transition realms - Magik, Pixie, Madeline Pryor (Limbo), Dani Moonstar (Valhalla), Nightcrawler, Azazel, Strong Guy (heaven and hell realms). Even Wicked stores spirits and the Psychic Plane is connected or adjacent to the Astral Plane mystics often traverse. It would have made at least one interesting side story as one or more realm's leadership takes offense at them taking back souls they had rights to, and/or they eventually had to establish and manage their own afterlife. Admittedly, Scarlet Witch's Waiting Room kinda serves as that now, so maybe the process is improved by that. It's also ironic that they had the Spark story for Legion of X, and now stories with the White Hot Room which could have also played into that concept. Barring that, yep, they're all really elaborate clones of the originals who died.
And my concise version: along with a Sacred Circuit of 5 for Resurrection (Hope, Elixir, Egg, Tempo and Proteus), there should have been another Sacred 5 for Soul Retrieval (Jean, Magik, Pixie, Wicked and Nightcrawler) using Limbo, the White Hot Room, Wicked and/or Legion's mindscape to manage their own afterlife awaiting resurrection. And I'm all about solutions, not just spotting flaws: they can still do a mini-series or one-shot (or even touch on it in the upcoming Dead X-Men) addressing the need to connect the originals' souls to their cloned bodies and inserted memories.
@@ambrosia_123 I dont think they "hate" them in the traditional sense. They are programmed to be hostile to mutants and they see humans and mutants as the same thing. Its like a person with a disability is still a person. They cannot act on this programmed aggression until a human develops a mutation though but through simple logic it is only a matter of time before the humans begin mutating again. Therefore humans are subject to their programmed aggression as well. Another perspective is they are built in the image of man and while the "hate" they are programmed with is not felt in the same way internally the same as a human feels the emotion, outwardly it looks the same because they were built and programmed in the image of man.
@@kuyt3400 so then is it the flaw of the programmer? Is it nature? Sentinels are a cannon event as someone will create them. Programming them to form conclusions seems to be the flaw.
You left out that she and her husband didnt just work on the mothermold. She turned her husband into Nimrod after he he was killed. But every time Ninrod makes a copy, he losses more of his orignal memories.
@@recycledsoul5908 I'm absolutely sure he did, just seems worth mentioning for people new to what's going on and as a simple reminder of her significance. She's smart as hell and not someone to take lightly.
Has anyone noticed that Nimrod acts more human in most scenes. He takes great joy in destroying mutants. A rational machine would not show that type of delight in exterminating a life form. He is changing/mutating into something else. I wonder how how Omega Sentinel will keep him functioning.
so this version of Nimrod was created when Dr. Alia uploaded her husbands consciousness into the machine so yeah it's more human than previous versions that have shown up
Gutted the Krakoa arc is over. Personally, it was the best mutant arc for years. But i guess the MCU has a hand as to why it's ending. The Krakoa era had depth, inclusion of multiple characters, and development. But unfortunately, we're seem to be going back to the mansion 😕
I share the feeling. I love so many of the side characters and to get to have them again during the Krakoan era was amazing. They've all been killed off now though and only the tired and boring remain. :(
@Niac022 It's repetitive nonsense again. Mutants are targeted, hunted and near extinction, and repeat. We've seen it time and time again. This is why Krakoa was refreshing. It had mutant stories but had their own troubles. Without needing the rest of the Marvel roster.
You're talking absolute shite.. krakoan era was the worst execution of a mutant arc. Hickman had an idea... And it fell to pieces when he left, to call it anything less than an embarrassment is a joke. Too many fanboys watching these videos, be good to yourselves and demand better... Geez, bloody simps
Eh they were becoming less human by the end of every story. War with the inhumans rebooting the timeline after a 1000 year war with eachother. They are becoming more like apocalypse every time they are brought back to life thinking like they are gods more and more. Extinction events are humbling experiences for mutant kind cause they learn to be more human and less jaded.
@00:44 it's Dr Stasis who reads the verdict, not Colossus. Also.... I think there is a Huge misunderstanding of a crucial point. When Cyclops asks what will happen once all mutants are dead, and Dr Alia Gregor answers I suppose humanity will live in happiness, then Cyclops replies that the question was for Karima Shapandar who refuses to respond. What he does here is the opposite of what @ComicsExplained says. Cyclops is subtly implying that once all mutants are dead, the machines will turn against humanity and submit them to their rule... Because the goal is Dominion. Sentinel Omega, Nimrod, and Even Moira have already implied that they don't care about humanity. It's also what we saw happening in Powers of X in the X3 timeline that introduced Rasputin IV. And that is confirmed in a later page of this book where we see the leaders of Orchis celebrating the result of the trial of Cyclops, but Alia Gregor is suspicious of Omega Sentinel when she orders Nimrod to go destroy Krakoa, and that they'll celebrate on Sentinel City : the sentinels are moving to take over the world.
i picked up on that immediately because not only i read the comic but also because i am watching the video and i am seeing it is Dr Stasis, the same with the warning being directed towards Omega and not Dr Gregor, i wish Rob could realize that he makes mistakes and acknowledge them, but no he just keeps on going like nothing happens or no one noticed, it its getting more frequent and it is starting to be annoying, oh well, anyway it is nice to see someone else calling him on his bs (like the time in sins of sinister Rob said that Summernight had become a drunk, he really pulled that one out of his behind and never corrected it)
@@liquidtrick187 My guess is that he reads fast, doesn't take time to process what he reads, and jumps to biased conclusions to go make a video as soon as possible. The comic was released today, he read it once then recorded the video then editing and bam it's here almost instantaneously. Gotta feed the channel and the Algorithmic Gods (Dominion via TH-cam).
you are right, man i do miss the good old days when it was all about the audience and not the algorith, it is just that in these video he made some mistakes, first being Dr stasis, second the omega one, third saying that Rasputin IV can teleport like nightcrawler or not, then the audacity of saying that in sins of sinister they shot the juggernaut through krakoa, at that point he was just regurgitating nonsense, cheers mate and thanks for the reply@@tithannisk7470
@@tithannisk7470He must have also skimmed most of the stuff leading into these events too. So much is off with his explanations here. 1. Even the title: Mutants aren't going to war with humanity, they're going to war with Orchis. 2. Cyke was directing his question to Omega Sentinel implying the machines will turn on humans next. 3. Cyke couldn't be backed up at the moment of his death because he was out of range, so whatever memories that were stored before going on that mission were all that could be restored. He doesn't need to be an absolute expert on every aspect of every comic, but if he's presenting himself as the explainer of this, one of the biggest stories of Marvel in the last decade, one would think he'd have been paying attention to what was actually going on.
one of the details I like is the defense that Cyclops offers the "there's only one person that can judge me" line is ripped straight from when he was being judged by the Celestial in the A.X.E. event, where they end up reviving the dead Celestial that was acting as the Avengers base and it in turn decided to judge humanity and decide if it was worthy of survival and it judged many heroes, notably Captain America who it found not worthy and killed, only for him to be the first human revived using the X-men's resurrection protocols, and when it came to Cyclops turn he basically said "there's only one person that can judge me and she scares me way more than you ever will" before walking away from the Celestial who judged him worthy
One thing that has always ticked me off about X-Men Events is how they work to separate them from everything else. What I have wanted from the whole Orchis Arc is for them to realize how they have bit off more than they can chew: We are already seeing that with the X-Men parlaying with Doctor Doom and the Latvirian mutants. Wakanda, despite Storm once being their Queen, was hesitant to accept Krakoan pharmaceuticals they likely noticed the contamination early and might be tracking down the source. Finally Orchis's biggest potential problem with all of that transhuman tech out there it would be all too easy for the Ultimate AI aka Ultron to infiltrate and assume control.
Wakanda rejected the mutant drugs, portals, et al was because of Namor breaking their unbeaten streak during the AvsX run by flooding the place. T'challa annulled his marriage to Storm, and Wakanda has since adopted a staunchly anti-mutant stance that would make Genosha blush.
All of the Mutants no longer pulling their punches is going to be epic. Any long time X-man fan has always wanted to see this. Totally hyped to see the final outcome.
I'm glad that the Krokoa run is almost over. I understand and respect why it was so widely loved but it made the X-Men seem selfish and arrogant. The X-Men were no longer heroes. They sunk down to the levels of their enemies.
Rob has the whole saga on his playlist. Has house and powers of X, of swords, inferno, then A.X.E, X lives and deaths of wolverine, sins of sinesster, and fall of X … and this video
@@stevo-kun3924 I know. But I need to read all of it. Days of Future Past, The Phoenix Saga, Dark Phoenix Saga, Deadly Genesis, Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire, Fall of the Mutants, Mutant Massacre, X-Men vs Apocalypse, Operation Zero Tolerance, Messiah Complex, Necrosha, New X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, Curse of the Mutants, Schism, Phoenix Warsong, Phoenix Endsong, Phoenix Resurrection, the Onslaught Saga, and the Krakoa Saga.
Here’s the complete thank me later list of the entire Krakoan Era in order: House/Powers of X Dawn of X X of Swords Hellfire Gala Reign of X Inferno Destiny if X X Lives/Deaths of Wolverine A.X.E Judgement Day Sins of Sinister Fall of X [Ongoing. Concluding with Fall of The House of X & Rise of The Powers of X]
I just finished reading every uncanny x men and new mutants, every single event, stopped here and there to read adjacent series, just got to krakoa took almost two years to get caught up, and the very second i opened up HOX/POX I almost cried. Highly recommend.
So glad you do these videos as I can't afford to keep up with them anymore. Your enthusiasm paints an amazing picture as you explain. Thank You for all you do!
I love your detailed analyses of these stories and characters beyond the graphic novels and movies. Do you think you may ever tackle the Buffy and Angel comic book adaptations?
Thanks for the breakdown in the beginning. It’s been a rough year and I don’t want sad edgy versions of my childhood heroes. I want well written story’s about good guys saving the day. The real world is depressing. I want a Hero.
as far as I am aware, the memories of the strike on the mother mold weren’t removed. When the X-Men were resurrected, their last memory, scan, or whatever from cerebral was implanted into the egg. They didn’t have memories of the strike because it was too far away to get it download.
They really dont need the X Men at this moment. They need to take their time and build them up. They need to start up some X-projects like Gen X or X Factor to get the interest back in their direction.
I want to see Deadpool so bad. I need to know what they're gonna do next. Xmen 97 will be a nice little treat for us to get thru the Second Great Mutant Drought until Avengers 6
@@DirtCheapFUGen X… yes. I really have come to like Monet, Chamber and Synch. Husk needs to get away from older men. Just saying she has no luck with them. Miss Marvel could be involved in some stuff. I really would love to see her in a class with Dust. X factor would be interesting but it is a shame Quicksilver is dead. One of my favourite issues is X-aminations”.
I kind of think that the mutants could be in another timeline, especially in their Krakoan era, trying to make sense of it in the main comic universe is pretty hard, especially with the different potential futures etc. If anything I said does or doesn’t make sense, I wouldn’t mind helping to understand the xmen and mutants but it’s just so hard to make sense of
Funny thing is they would have had a case against the X-Men considering the stuff beast did with the logan clones. Beast took out foreign leaders across the globe and for the most part it didn't seem to tie into anything. Though it could be due to beast doing it secretly but still should have been tied into this someway. If it did, I would like to know because it seems isolated.
Polaris, whether she can beat Magnito, maybe it is all about experience, like Magnito has been using his powers for a long time, and he has been more refined with his powers over the years, and although Polaris is very capable, she just has a lot more to learn. Maybe that is why. (If I'm wrong, please tell me).
I have been sucked into playlist after playlist of yours, Rob! And through them, I’ve really gained a newfound love for comics. The moments you troll Ms. Marvel make me laugh the loudest.
So let's get this straight.. we got Professor X about to pop off, we got Iron Man about to pop off, likely to have the 200k mutants return, and now the freaking Brood are on their side? Humanity is fucked.
Colossus not being magnetic is touch-and-go. In the first interaction of the new team of X-Men (the one from 1975) against Magneto, the latter did use his magnetic powers against Colossus. He even did it more than once. I would argue that there are more instances of Colossus being magnetic than not.
@@blackhand441 him being « the Master of Magnetism » is not an argument ? It’s a way better argument than « it’s basically telekinesis until it isn’t » which can mean anything that is convenient at the moment.
I tried to watch this video, but I had to stop at Cyclops’ idiotic line about “humans”. Marvel’s decade-long betrayal of these characters couldn’t be any more thorough.
@@kap1618 how human can done mutant any favor when mutant is a natural threat to them, mutant is mean to replace human if both trying to live on earth together The only way to have peace is human and mutant live in different planet
I have to admit this run has created a set of villains I truly hate. I'd love to see Storm come back to earth and have the classic X-Men team together again to break Orchis.
For all that humanity has done to the mutant population i am glad that the x-men are taking off the kid gloves and going full force now against orchis/humanity. Plus having most if not all of the super human community rallying against you is just a bad sign since these are the people that usually protect the world from invading alien empires or time traveling warlords.
Great video. A few corrections. 1. Colossus's brother's name is "Mikhail Rasputin" not just "Rasputin." To my knowledge he doesn't just go by his last name. As u know, Pietro and Illyana share this last name. 2. The reason why Cyclops does not remember the attack on the Orcis base is not because of selective amnesia. In order to be resurrected the mind of the mutants has to be backed up. It normally only backed up to a certain point, and up to a certain distance. There was no way for Professor X to back up the minds of the X-Men that attacked the Orcis base from Earth when they were at the sun. It was just way too far. This actually gave Orchis a huge advantage because the mutants would keep attacking over and over again without learning how they failed. 3. In "Sins of Sinister", Juggernaut was sent hurtling through space and time to kill Thanos. The sinister-infected "Quiet Council" had Forge to devise a weapon that would and did kill Krokoa. That way they could frame Orcis for the destruction and rally all the superheroes to take on Orcis.
I haven't respected or cared about the X-Men comics for a long time, stories like X-Men Green really poisoned the fruit for me, but this arc seems to be pretty good from the way you explain it!
I really don't care. The X-Men did not create a very large pool of sympathy throughout this run. Their blatant sense of racism and superiority ''You have NEW gods now'', ''Humans, is there any good in them?'', all the crap about a mutant-only island, and the cold dismissal of those who turn out NOT to be mutants anymore (like Reed's son). All this 'we are above you' attitude meant that I really, really was okay with the Mutants getting wrecked. So I side with Humans. The people without powers that the X-Men deem inferior. I hope Mutants LOSE. And I don't mean a temporary loss. I mean a loss that they NEVER, EVER recover from.
I completely agree. The X-men as they are now are people that the old X-men used to fight against. It's completely out of character for them to be this way.
@@shiftyeyedninja The thing is, they went throughout this run saying that they were 'better' than humans, 'the future', and everything like that. Except that, if you remove their powers, you're left with racist, bigoted people who put their mutant status above everything else. And by that, I mean everything. And everyone else's status as 'Mutate' or 'Human' is put above everything else. The personality, morality, achievements of a person are unimportant compared to genetic status. Mutant first, then Mutate, then Human. That's the social strata Krakoa was all about. At best, visiting humans (who needed special permission to even visist, but could never LIVE on Krakoa) were mildly patronized, at worst they were treated with thinly-veiled contempt. That includes humans like T'Challa or Tony Stark, which makes it all the more absurd. I eventually kinda gave up on the X-Men. They'd become exactly what they hated, they just put a thicker veneeer of civility over it than most anti-mutant groups do.
Jimmeny Christmas in Christ! THANK YOU so much for doing this!!! I was once a diehard X-Man reader, but that was looong ago. Today, I swear I have no hope of catching up with everything that's going on. Please (maybe with an update every 6 months or so) make a video that lays out a timeline of events that includes all relevant titles in chronological order. Link that video to your other videos so we can watch them in order. Dude! Thanks so much!!
For some reason, I have this wild side that enjoys when the heroes start killing the rest of the universe like it’s not a big deal. This is gonna be a ride.
you missed the real context for scott addressing Omega gotta go back and reread her and Nimrods private chat and their fight with xavier/magneto in inferno. also scott's memories are not removed he was literally out of range of cerebro during those attacks on the forge , remember the initial attack when you see all the work they did for that little connection they had the first time.
I would be biased with a war against all of humanity but this Earth is on orchis side and they have no intention of ever coexisting with mutants but only with there own kind I guess this is understandable but only the future is going to determine if this will turn out for the better or for the worst😢
Wait…but if broo brings the brood to earth to fight orchis, but broo dies while fighting….then there would be no one to control them, and there’d now be a giant army of hungry angry brood with no one to wrangle them killing and eating everything. And who would orchis and the mislead populace place the blame on?…….The Mutants 😬
It's a good issue but leaves a lot to reveal that I commented on Blerd without fear's review. As I was just thinking about Omega Sentinel & Nimrod with the Phalanx/Dominion/Sinister plotline just now, I'm curious about the undiscussed plotline of the Children of Tomorrow/Darwin-Forge issue of his integration into the Children of Tomorrow City Complex (whether it was misleading of Forge for being released), not to mention Machine Man, Danger, Jocasta, Vision and his daughter, along with Warlock, and Issac of Mentor's city complex). Aren't they all AI with personality? Even Ultron and Machine Smith as well. Would a cybernetic mentality override all of their programming? Can a Dominion which spans time/space crush Kang the Conqueror? Watchers? A hive/AI dominion would be immortal? Would that be any different from the Cancerverse, where Death is wiped out? That storyline might be in the future of the Dominion of Phalanx versus a Cancerverse of Undying ones. Now that would be interesting.
They shoulda kept the Krakoa status quo and built on it. After all this it seems disappointing that they'd cram back into that dusty mansion that gets torpedoed every other week....
@@kap1618 at this point there is no evil or good any more The war between human and mutant is a natural event because mutant is a natural threat to human They are mean to replace human if both trying to live in earth together So this war will happen , it not problem about good or bad It just simple is the survival of each race
This is why I don't read comics. They can't create a scenario were both sides have a "decent" reason to do what they're doing so everything is mind-control, memory-wipes, and resurrections.
I haven't really read marvel comics in probably 15 plus years. I just catch little videos like this one. I feel like I've missed a whole lot, because the X-Men in general don't seem like the good guys anymore.
What's always bothered me about X-Men stories concerning Orchis and other agencies, is that they'll do very blatant things like these and yet none of the other Marvel teams ever come to the X-Men's aid and their lack of support has never been addressed outside of the start of the current run.
I mean it's happening everyday irl, world hunger could be solved within a month or two of selflessness but people are selfish and scared to be the change. Similarly, I wouldn't expect the Avengers to pivot for me unless it benefited them
But just as a real world audience I agree, I wanna see more hero solidarity. A taste of it with Peter isn't satisfying to me
@@nailinthefashion That's less a in universes problem and more out of universes. Unless the character are under the same titel , hero's have to handle problems alone.
@@nailinthefashionthat argument makes no sense, because the avengers and X-Men are definitely friends most of the time, and the avengers are most definitely selfless. You can't compare the real world and comics without first acknowledging decades of stories that shows that how very different both sides are.
It's more believable to say that they are busy and they are.
Hulk is useless and a hermit again.
Iron man is broke.
Thor is fighting old gods.
Spider-Man is fighting in a gang war.
Black widow and Cap are actually helping and if mutants heads weren't so far up their butts maybe they wouldn't be in this situation.
@@hellblaze10 yes and no. I don't think the Avengers need to get named to be referenced in an Xmen run but there's probably some sort of branding choice to make the titling clear as you mentioned, because at the end of the day the Xmen need to fix their own problem.
That's why I really enjoy things like Empyre or Secret Wars because it feels like a big Marvel party.
@@blackhand441 I think canonically literally everyone is busy you're right but it still feels like if they weren't they'd be prioritizing their human-y politics over Krakoan. I don't think they'd be mean about it just not understand the gravity of the shifting
And you're also right about Natasha and Steve being on the right side of history this time. Lord knows Steve can be super misguided and need a lil mind wipe
If a court finds you guilty, they can only punish you until you die.
If the Phoenix finds you guilty, being dead will not be enough to protect you from its wrath.
Scott has his priorities in order.
Its so good to see Cyclops just be a stoic, uncaring, strategic, fearless badass. Yes, his mutant power is to be able to destroy essentially anything that he looks at. But his strength has always come from his control and intellect that he had to develop because of the unleashed destruction he had to always worry about
@DaveHood-xd9uidon't, waste of time and money
God I wish he was portrayed like that in the movies and not a vanilla tool for wolverine to fuck with
I would be biased with a war against all of humanity but this Earth is on orchis side and they have no intention of ever coexisting with mutants but only with there own kind I guess this is understandable but only the future is going to determine if this will turn out for the better or for the worst😢
But, he has no pp. 😣
Wow so many bots..
I might be wrong here, but I think Cyclops' warning was TO Dr. Alia: about Karima and the Sentinels, and not the other way around.
We know from Inferno, that Omega Sentinel, Nimrod and Moira plan to eventually double cross Orchis.
Cyclops was "looking" at Karima when he asked what would happen next. And Karima is the one that cuts the conversation short.
Afterwards, when they are celebrating, Dr. Alia looks a bit paranoid as the Omega Sentinel is ordering Nimrod around and is talking about Sentinel City.
So, yeah. I think Cyclops is trying to warn humanity about the Sentinel/AI threat,
That would be so sweet, I really like that
That was my interpretation when I read the comic. Once the mutants are eradicated, the machines would no longer require humans and will turn against them. As you mentioned, this concern was raised in Inferno. Even the post-humans, like the Children of Tomorrow (cyborgs), acknowledged the potential threat posed by machines, particularly the Phalanx and the Machine Dominion. The Four Sinisters aimed to avoid this future, each seeking to achieve Dominion first to defeat the machines, driven by the paranoia of the original Nathaniel Essex. This underscores the overarching theme of the Krakoa era: the conflict between organic life forms and artificial intelligence/the struggle between living beings and machines. And since humanity produces mutants, they are next.
You are absolutely correct! Karima and Nimrod plan to destroy not only the mutants but also the humans. That's their endgame.
@@maryse8 Claissic X Men TAS logic: Humans are mutants
Exactly
😂"Angry" Colossus is a scary thought. Good natured nice guy Colossus is already a beast, if he's on "It's like that... On sight" mode, it's going to be a bad day.
I think the only way to deal with him, Hulk, or Juggernaut would be to yeet them in to space to chill out lol or teleportation. Would need to be an omega level telekinetic to physically stop em
The last time I saw Colossus THIS pissed was in the Morlock tunnels during the original Mutant Massacre when he snapped Riptide's neck, he said, "pray to your gods, little man, because your are NEXT!!!" THIS AIN'T A FUCKING GAME, DOG!!!
Scott Summers is a very dangerous guy. He is a master strategist and once he’s mind is made up-no one and nothing can stop him.
Any red haired clone could talk him into anything. Lol
Although his mutant power allows him to destroy whatever he looks at, his true strength had been developed by having to learn control and figure out ways other ways to accomplish his goals using his intellect. Love seeing him like this
Except he's not, and always fails, or abandons his wives, like a trash person. You're obviously a scumbag as well.
I would be biased with a war against all of humanity but this Earth is on orchis side and they have no intention of ever coexisting with mutants but only with there own kind I guess this is understandable but only the future is going to determine if this will turn out for the better or for the worst😢
Prof X can stop everyone if they stop nerf him.
I think what Cyclops was speaking of to Omega Sentinel is the fact that once all mutants are gone humans will be eradicated next. The machines do not see a difference. And in Inferno she and Nimrod killed all those agents.
mutants are humans so ya your spot on. the machines see no difference because they are purely logical.
Cyclops's memories weren't removed. His memories of the event weren't backed up since the team that attacked the Forge were too far from Earth to maintain the link that preserved their memories, so when he was reborn, he only had his memories from before he went on the mission.
Correct. Several things about Rob's recollection of the events seem to be off, including of this very comic, but you're spot on. Memories have to be backed up, and the moment of a mutant's death is often not backed up because it's unexpected (before the next scheduled backup) or they're out of range (like in the case of the assault on the Orchis Forge).
This is also not a declaration of war on humanity, this is the X-Men, mutants and allies taking the war to Orchis openly.
Its not even him, just a simulacrum… anyone revived while having some of the memories of the deceased , as you said if not backed up, are lost so they are copied and could be copied while alive ..
Ergo anyone revived is literally just a simulacrum of the dead original..
@@WeAreInYourWall Agreed. That's the one thing I think they missed tightening up with the way The 5's powers contributed to bringing their clones online. Going by the 5 specifically, they could have established that Proteus's contribution was actually warping reality in a way that connected their true essence (their astral self, spirit or soul) to the physical clone body when the telepath inserts the memories.
That would have been a solid reason for not activating multiple clones too, as any other would be an empty homunculus (subject to possession by demons) while the first had the true essence.
Elsewhere (and I'll spare all that extra detail) I posted that a different 5 mutants should have also been in operation whose job was to traverse the afterlife of various pantheons and underworlds to retrieve or negotiate for dead mutants' souls.
It wouldn't have even been weird for X-Men stories since they've often linked Mutant energies to Mystic energies, have several characters who lost and regained all or parts of their souls, and have characters linked to various transition realms - Magik, Pixie, Madeline Pryor (Limbo), Dani Moonstar (Valhalla), Nightcrawler, Azazel, Strong Guy (heaven and hell realms). Even Wicked stores spirits and the Psychic Plane is connected or adjacent to the Astral Plane mystics often traverse.
It would have made at least one interesting side story as one or more realm's leadership takes offense at them taking back souls they had rights to, and/or they eventually had to establish and manage their own afterlife.
Admittedly, Scarlet Witch's Waiting Room kinda serves as that now, so maybe the process is improved by that. It's also ironic that they had the Spark story for Legion of X, and now stories with the White Hot Room which could have also played into that concept.
Barring that, yep, they're all really elaborate clones of the originals who died.
And my concise version: along with a Sacred Circuit of 5 for Resurrection (Hope, Elixir, Egg, Tempo and Proteus), there should have been another Sacred 5 for Soul Retrieval (Jean, Magik, Pixie, Wicked and Nightcrawler) using Limbo, the White Hot Room, Wicked and/or Legion's mindscape to manage their own afterlife awaiting resurrection.
And I'm all about solutions, not just spotting flaws: they can still do a mini-series or one-shot (or even touch on it in the upcoming Dead X-Men) addressing the need to connect the originals' souls to their cloned bodies and inserted memories.
In inferno we learned that Nimrod and Omega hate humans as much as mutants, so they are already planning to kill them afterwards.
Honestly I can't help but agree idk why everybody has to be so selfish but Charles' negotiations were kookoo bananas
How can robots even hate?
@@ambrosia_123 I dont think they "hate" them in the traditional sense.
They are programmed to be hostile to mutants and they see humans and mutants as the same thing.
Its like a person with a disability is still a person.
They cannot act on this programmed aggression until a human develops a mutation though but through simple logic it is only a matter of time before the humans begin mutating again.
Therefore humans are subject to their programmed aggression as well.
Another perspective is they are built in the image of man and while the "hate" they are programmed with is not felt in the same way internally the same as a human feels the emotion, outwardly it looks the same because they were built and programmed in the image of man.
@@kuyt3400 so then is it the flaw of the programmer? Is it nature? Sentinels are a cannon event as someone will create them. Programming them to form conclusions seems to be the flaw.
This is the cyclops that i always wanted to see in movies. This story is amazing man
You left out that she and her husband didnt just work on the mothermold. She turned her husband into Nimrod after he he was killed. But every time Ninrod makes a copy, he losses more of his orignal memories.
Damn that seems pretty important
Don't forget Mystique attemping to kill him, caused him to lose his humanity. So this whole Era is her fault
I think Rob covered that bit in a previous video. Might be wrong but I recall it. Might've been dopespill..
@@recycledsoul5908 I'm absolutely sure he did, just seems worth mentioning for people new to what's going on and as a simple reminder of her significance. She's smart as hell and not someone to take lightly.
It's minor information at best. Not relevant to what was being discussed here, but worth a quick sidenote sure.
Has anyone noticed that Nimrod acts more human in most scenes. He takes great joy in destroying mutants. A rational machine would not show that type of delight in exterminating a life form. He is changing/mutating into something else. I wonder how how Omega Sentinel will keep him functioning.
so this version of Nimrod was created when Dr. Alia uploaded her husbands consciousness into the machine so yeah it's more human than previous versions that have shown up
Gutted the Krakoa arc is over. Personally, it was the best mutant arc for years. But i guess the MCU has a hand as to why it's ending. The Krakoa era had depth, inclusion of multiple characters, and development. But unfortunately, we're seem to be going back to the mansion 😕
I share the feeling. I love so many of the side characters and to get to have them again during the Krakoan era was amazing.
They've all been killed off now though and only the tired and boring remain. :(
@Niac022 It's repetitive nonsense again. Mutants are targeted, hunted and near extinction, and repeat. We've seen it time and time again. This is why Krakoa was refreshing. It had mutant stories but had their own troubles. Without needing the rest of the Marvel roster.
They should just go back to Mars fuck this reset
You're talking absolute shite.. krakoan era was the worst execution of a mutant arc. Hickman had an idea... And it fell to pieces when he left, to call it anything less than an embarrassment is a joke. Too many fanboys watching these videos, be good to yourselves and demand better... Geez, bloody simps
Eh they were becoming less human by the end of every story. War with the inhumans rebooting the timeline after a 1000 year war with eachother. They are becoming more like apocalypse every time they are brought back to life thinking like they are gods more and more. Extinction events are humbling experiences for mutant kind cause they learn to be more human and less jaded.
Still waiting for Franklin to regain his powers (again), sneeze, and reset Marvel (again).
@00:44 it's Dr Stasis who reads the verdict, not Colossus.
Also.... I think there is a Huge misunderstanding of a crucial point. When Cyclops asks what will happen once all mutants are dead, and Dr Alia Gregor answers I suppose humanity will live in happiness, then Cyclops replies that the question was for Karima Shapandar who refuses to respond. What he does here is the opposite of what @ComicsExplained says. Cyclops is subtly implying that once all mutants are dead, the machines will turn against humanity and submit them to their rule... Because the goal is Dominion. Sentinel Omega, Nimrod, and Even Moira have already implied that they don't care about humanity. It's also what we saw happening in Powers of X in the X3 timeline that introduced Rasputin IV. And that is confirmed in a later page of this book where we see the leaders of Orchis celebrating the result of the trial of Cyclops, but Alia Gregor is suspicious of Omega Sentinel when she orders Nimrod to go destroy Krakoa, and that they'll celebrate on Sentinel City : the sentinels are moving to take over the world.
i picked up on that immediately because not only i read the comic but also because i am watching the video and i am seeing it is Dr Stasis, the same with the warning being directed towards Omega and not Dr Gregor, i wish Rob could realize that he makes mistakes and acknowledge them, but no he just keeps on going like nothing happens or no one noticed, it its getting more frequent and it is starting to be annoying, oh well, anyway it is nice to see someone else calling him on his bs (like the time in sins of sinister Rob said that Summernight had become a drunk, he really pulled that one out of his behind and never corrected it)
@@liquidtrick187 My guess is that he reads fast, doesn't take time to process what he reads, and jumps to biased conclusions to go make a video as soon as possible. The comic was released today, he read it once then recorded the video then editing and bam it's here almost instantaneously. Gotta feed the channel and the Algorithmic Gods (Dominion via TH-cam).
you are right, man i do miss the good old days when it was all about the audience and not the algorith, it is just that in these video he made some mistakes, first being Dr stasis, second the omega one, third saying that Rasputin IV can teleport like nightcrawler or not, then the audacity of saying that in sins of sinister they shot the juggernaut through krakoa, at that point he was just regurgitating nonsense, cheers mate and thanks for the reply@@tithannisk7470
Yeah that’s a huge issue. I’ve noticed this happening more and more sadly.
@@tithannisk7470He must have also skimmed most of the stuff leading into these events too. So much is off with his explanations here.
1. Even the title: Mutants aren't going to war with humanity, they're going to war with Orchis.
2. Cyke was directing his question to Omega Sentinel implying the machines will turn on humans next.
3. Cyke couldn't be backed up at the moment of his death because he was out of range, so whatever memories that were stored before going on that mission were all that could be restored.
He doesn't need to be an absolute expert on every aspect of every comic, but if he's presenting himself as the explainer of this, one of the biggest stories of Marvel in the last decade, one would think he'd have been paying attention to what was actually going on.
one of the details I like is the defense that Cyclops offers the "there's only one person that can judge me" line is ripped straight from when he was being judged by the Celestial in the A.X.E. event, where they end up reviving the dead Celestial that was acting as the Avengers base and it in turn decided to judge humanity and decide if it was worthy of survival and it judged many heroes, notably Captain America who it found not worthy and killed, only for him to be the first human revived using the X-men's resurrection protocols, and when it came to Cyclops turn he basically said "there's only one person that can judge me and she scares me way more than you ever will" before walking away from the Celestial who judged him worthy
"before walking away from the Eternal who judged him worthy"
That is a Celestial, not an Eternal.
Who's "she?"
@@angelm365his wife Jean Grey
@@amythistxue1 that is scary.
"I am FIRE MADE FLESH, POWER INCARNATE!" Or whatever she says 🤣 💀
One thing that has always ticked me off about X-Men Events is how they work to separate them from everything else. What I have wanted from the whole Orchis Arc is for them to realize how they have bit off more than they can chew: We are already seeing that with the X-Men parlaying with Doctor Doom and the Latvirian mutants. Wakanda, despite Storm once being their Queen, was hesitant to accept Krakoan pharmaceuticals they likely noticed the contamination early and might be tracking down the source. Finally Orchis's biggest potential problem with all of that transhuman tech out there it would be all too easy for the Ultimate AI aka Ultron to infiltrate and assume control.
Wakanda rejected the mutant drugs, portals, et al was because of Namor breaking their unbeaten streak during the AvsX run by flooding the place. T'challa annulled his marriage to Storm, and Wakanda has since adopted a staunchly anti-mutant stance that would make Genosha blush.
Ultron was locked up and only just got came back in Avengers INC
All of the Mutants no longer pulling their punches is going to be epic. Any long time X-man fan has always wanted to see this. Totally hyped to see the final outcome.
Right, because they pulled their punches so often in the past. Yall dick eat so hard it's sad.
magneto was right all along
I got that t shirt!
Let’s fkg go bro. Let’s fkg go!!!
lol fact lets go.
That's one of the sinister clones that read the verdict in Cyclops's dream at the beginning, not Colossus
Thank you.
I'm glad that the Krokoa run is almost over. I understand and respect why it was so widely loved but it made the X-Men seem selfish and arrogant. The X-Men were no longer heroes. They sunk down to the levels of their enemies.
Man, I need to read the entire X-Men comics. Which is going to take me a long time to catch up with what's going on.
Rob has the whole saga on his playlist. Has house and powers of X, of swords, inferno, then A.X.E, X lives and deaths of wolverine, sins of sinesster, and fall of X … and this video
@@stevo-kun3924 I know. But I need to read all of it. Days of Future Past, The Phoenix Saga, Dark Phoenix Saga, Deadly Genesis, Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire, Fall of the Mutants, Mutant Massacre, X-Men vs Apocalypse, Operation Zero Tolerance, Messiah Complex, Necrosha, New X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, Curse of the Mutants, Schism, Phoenix Warsong, Phoenix Endsong, Phoenix Resurrection, the Onslaught Saga, and the Krakoa Saga.
Here’s the complete thank me later list of the entire Krakoan Era in order:
House/Powers of X
Dawn of X
X of Swords
Hellfire Gala
Reign of X
Inferno
Destiny if X
X Lives/Deaths of Wolverine
A.X.E Judgement Day
Sins of Sinister
Fall of X [Ongoing. Concluding with Fall of The House of X & Rise of The Powers of X]
I just finished reading every uncanny x men and new mutants, every single event, stopped here and there to read adjacent series, just got to krakoa took almost two years to get caught up, and the very second i opened up HOX/POX I almost cried. Highly recommend.
@@UltimateSpider1385 oh so we are going all out! Makes sense
"Colossus says"... isn't that Sinister?
Kind of. It's Dr. Stasis.
You are correct, he misspoke.
It happens, it'll happen again.
love how they simply retcon the histories of our beloved characters & events.
so happy i stopped reading new over a decade ago
I am EXCITED for this series! Love your thorough explanations on them all! Please keep it up. :)
"There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others." - Niccolò Machiavelli
Beyond Omega Level: Kulan Gath!👿
My question is who had the job of closing cyclops eye lids?😂ain’t no way they still got hands
They threw salt in his eyes
Bully maguire put some dirt in his eyes
So glad you do these videos as I can't afford to keep up with them anymore. Your enthusiasm paints an amazing picture as you explain. Thank You for all you do!
Ive been at my worst nowadays....but these videos make life better. Thanks Rob ..
Idk if u read these comments ..but thanks Rob
@chazgoodwin7034 his videos help me greatly also. I hope good things happen in your life man.
I just don't like the idea of Charles Xavier's dream being dead. He Mutants walking away from it. It's never sat right with me.
I love your detailed analyses of these stories and characters beyond the graphic novels and movies.
Do you think you may ever tackle the Buffy and Angel comic book adaptations?
Cyclops telling the X-Men to “spin the block” is hilarious.
Thanks for the breakdown in the beginning. It’s been a rough year and I don’t want sad edgy versions of my childhood heroes. I want well written story’s about good guys saving the day. The real world is depressing. I want a Hero.
as far as I am aware, the memories of the strike on the mother mold weren’t removed. When the X-Men were resurrected, their last memory, scan, or whatever from cerebral was implanted into the egg. They didn’t have memories of the strike because it was too far away to get it download.
A serious Nightcrawler back in the day was almost as telling as a serious Spider-Man.
🤝
The hype in his voice about Nightcrawler is awesome!
I need the X-Men in the MCU ASAP! My favorite all time team.
They really dont need the X Men at this moment. They need to take their time and build them up. They need to start up some X-projects like Gen X or X Factor to get the interest back in their direction.
I want to see Deadpool so bad. I need to know what they're gonna do next. Xmen 97 will be a nice little treat for us to get thru the Second Great Mutant Drought until Avengers 6
@@DirtCheapFUGen X… yes. I really have come to like Monet, Chamber and Synch. Husk needs to get away from older men. Just saying she has no luck with them.
Miss Marvel could be involved in some stuff. I really would love to see her in a class with Dust.
X factor would be interesting but it is a shame Quicksilver is dead. One of my favourite issues is X-aminations”.
nope they arent going to do it justice
@@DirtCheapFUI'd be happy with just a Multiversal X-Men movie with the old cast
Sins of sinister was actually good and is actually incredibly important to the endgame of this story and also why krakoa fell
Yeah i hate the way he dismiss stories or chracters he don't like , as if they don't matter.
If only we could get a live action movie like this.....
We all know that in the end all will go back to status quo (it's a nature of comics), but I want to see "What If.." mutants never stop"
I kind of think that the mutants could be in another timeline, especially in their Krakoan era, trying to make sense of it in the main comic universe is pretty hard, especially with the different potential futures etc.
If anything I said does or doesn’t make sense, I wouldn’t mind helping to understand the xmen and mutants but it’s just so hard to make sense of
They get wiped out. Why would you want to see that? Humans will always win in the end.
That ending WAS EPIC! I'm ready to see where this goes!
Love to see Broo and Omega Sentinel coming back into play!
Funny thing is they would have had a case against the X-Men considering the stuff beast did with the logan clones. Beast took out foreign leaders across the globe and for the most part it didn't seem to tie into anything. Though it could be due to beast doing it secretly but still should have been tied into this someway. If it did, I would like to know because it seems isolated.
Polaris, whether she can beat Magnito, maybe it is all about experience, like Magnito has been using his powers for a long time, and he has been more refined with his powers over the years, and although Polaris is very capable, she just has a lot more to learn. Maybe that is why. (If I'm wrong, please tell me).
Bruh, I luv you vid's. Definitely keeping me in the loop since I don't buy books no more!!!
“Colossus says guilty”....? That looked like Mr. Sinister to me.
I have been sucked into playlist after playlist of yours, Rob! And through them, I’ve really gained a newfound love for comics. The moments you troll Ms. Marvel make me laugh the loudest.
So let's get this straight.. we got Professor X about to pop off, we got Iron Man about to pop off, likely to have the 200k mutants return, and now the freaking Brood are on their side? Humanity is fucked.
Which means something tragic is about to happen to the mutants once again lmao I cannot wait
Storm has the Uranos Trigger. as well. Mars is still very much in play now that she has won the war.
Is cap still helping mutants?
So Marvel writers are just forgetting that Colossus is not magnetic. That electromatic gun shouldn't do anything to him.
Colossus not being magnetic is touch-and-go. In the first interaction of the new team of X-Men (the one from 1975) against Magneto, the latter did use his magnetic powers against Colossus. He even did it more than once. I would argue that there are more instances of Colossus being magnetic than not.
@@tithannisk7470not a good argument, Magneto's power is basically telekinesis over anything metal until it isn't.
@@blackhand441 That's not magnetism, now is it?
@@zufalllx exactly
@@blackhand441 him being « the Master of Magnetism » is not an argument ? It’s a way better argument than « it’s basically telekinesis until it isn’t » which can mean anything that is convenient at the moment.
huh wow this a stark difference from what I remembered from X-men. I thought they were for the coexistence between humans and mutants.
*KURT WAGNER SAYING THEN TO WAR IS BEYOND FANTASTIC AND BADASS*
I tried to watch this video, but I had to stop at Cyclops’ idiotic line about “humans”. Marvel’s decade-long betrayal of these characters couldn’t be any more thorough.
Its not like humanity has done mutants any favors.
@@kap1618 how human can done mutant any favor when mutant is a natural threat to them, mutant is mean to replace human if both trying to live on earth together
The only way to have peace is human and mutant live in different planet
Damn colossus punching bishop in the back to save magneto.
I still love that they are mixing up the suits I want to see the Cyclops was right black and red suit come back for a battle or two
I missed Broo. I'm glad we get to see him again.
"The one thing every man fears." Spoken like a man in a successful relationship LoL. Respect 😎
@26:00 While writing, someone remembers the badass Japanese X-Men the Animated Series opening where Magneto summons Brood out of the ground.
Finally some great writing for CYCLOPS 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Now just to wait a decade to see it in live action 😭
@@nailinthefashion 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I have to admit this run has created a set of villains I truly hate. I'd love to see Storm come back to earth and have the classic X-Men team together again to break Orchis.
I keep forgetting ms marvel is here cause she doesn't fit here at all
Ms marvel sucks she's one of the lamest characters in marvel her powers aren't interesting and neither is her character.
Amazing. Thank you for doing these.
Every time they said "Then to war" i got goosebumps lol love it
I think Rasputin IV was in the House / Powers of X stories too, I remember recognizing her when reading them again.
My wife pissed off is literally the only person I fear 😂😂😂
A wise husband
Damn you Rob! I can't handle these cliffhangers anymore, 😉. Like usual I'll be waiting for the next episode.
For all that humanity has done to the mutant population i am glad that the x-men are taking off the kid gloves and going full force now against orchis/humanity. Plus having most if not all of the super human community rallying against you is just a bad sign since these are the people that usually protect the world from invading alien empires or time traveling warlords.
I love how the dark stuff tickles you. You would really enjoy the shadow master series on audible. It’s very sarcastic and made route villains.
Great video. A few corrections.
1. Colossus's brother's name is "Mikhail Rasputin" not just "Rasputin."
To my knowledge he doesn't just go by his last name. As u know, Pietro and Illyana share this last name.
2. The reason why Cyclops does not remember the attack on the Orcis base is not because of selective amnesia. In order to be resurrected the mind of the mutants has to be backed up. It normally only backed up to a certain point, and up to a certain distance.
There was no way for Professor X to back up the minds of the X-Men that attacked the Orcis base from Earth when they were at the sun. It was just way too far. This actually gave Orchis a huge advantage because the mutants would keep attacking over and over again without learning how they failed.
3. In "Sins of Sinister", Juggernaut was sent hurtling through space and time to kill Thanos.
The sinister-infected "Quiet Council" had Forge to devise a weapon that would and did kill Krokoa. That way they could frame Orcis for the destruction and rally all the superheroes to take on Orcis.
THIS channel is Thee BESt! Thank you for all you do!!!
You KILLIN it Rob, keep it up!
I haven't respected or cared about the X-Men comics for a long time, stories like X-Men Green really poisoned the fruit for me, but this arc seems to be pretty good from the way you explain it!
I really don't care. The X-Men did not create a very large pool of sympathy throughout this run. Their blatant sense of racism and superiority ''You have NEW gods now'', ''Humans, is there any good in them?'', all the crap about a mutant-only island, and the cold dismissal of those who turn out NOT to be mutants anymore (like Reed's son). All this 'we are above you' attitude meant that I really, really was okay with the Mutants getting wrecked.
So I side with Humans. The people without powers that the X-Men deem inferior. I hope Mutants LOSE. And I don't mean a temporary loss. I mean a loss that they NEVER, EVER recover from.
I completely agree. The X-men as they are now are people that the old X-men used to fight against. It's completely out of character for them to be this way.
@@shiftyeyedninja The thing is, they went throughout this run saying that they were 'better' than humans, 'the future', and everything like that. Except that, if you remove their powers, you're left with racist, bigoted people who put their mutant status above everything else. And by that, I mean everything. And everyone else's status as 'Mutate' or 'Human' is put above everything else. The personality, morality, achievements of a person are unimportant compared to genetic status. Mutant first, then Mutate, then Human. That's the social strata Krakoa was all about. At best, visiting humans (who needed special permission to even visist, but could never LIVE on Krakoa) were mildly patronized, at worst they were treated with thinly-veiled contempt. That includes humans like T'Challa or Tony Stark, which makes it all the more absurd.
I eventually kinda gave up on the X-Men. They'd become exactly what they hated, they just put a thicker veneeer of civility over it than most anti-mutant groups do.
@@shiftyeyedninja This. They went from heroes to supremacist terrorists.
@@Ares99999what the mutant should do is moving to another planet to live
That is the only way to have peace between human and mutant
Jimmeny Christmas in Christ! THANK YOU so much for doing this!!! I was once a diehard X-Man reader, but that was looong ago. Today, I swear I have no hope of catching up with everything that's going on. Please (maybe with an update every 6 months or so) make a video that lays out a timeline of events that includes all relevant titles in chronological order. Link that video to your other videos so we can watch them in order.
Dude! Thanks so much!!
For some reason, I have this wild side that enjoys when the heroes start killing the rest of the universe like it’s not a big deal. This is gonna be a ride.
Pretty sure at that point they should stop counting as heroes.
@@LordVanOskuroWait, they're still heros?
@@Proxy_Oka Marvel still considers them as such. So do the Avengers and others.
Great Video man I wonder how much from start to now the fall of x comics are worth to get
Sooooo Cyclops was right? Just making sure we know
I wonder who doubted him tbh cuz I'm always like he's a dick but he's factually correct
Yes Rob, you absolutely need to finish the Sabertooth story.
you missed the real context for scott addressing Omega gotta go back and reread her and Nimrods private chat and their fight with xavier/magneto in inferno. also scott's memories are not removed he was literally out of range of cerebro during those attacks on the forge , remember the initial attack when you see all the work they did for that little connection they had the first time.
I would be biased with a war against all of humanity but this Earth is on orchis side and they have no intention of ever coexisting with mutants but only with there own kind I guess this is understandable but only the future is going to determine if this will turn out for the better or for the worst😢
OOOh!! Dam!! Ur presentation up to the end !! Had me hooked 😁! Lmao then vid was over!!👍🏾 Nice !!😅😅
I thought this video said 8:01 that we will see what Karima is capable of and when we do our Jaws will hit the floor. Yet we didn't see it.
I think you get a lot of sick pleasure with the cliff hanger ensigns 😂😂😂😂
His sadistic little giggles say it all
Let me get this straight, the Avengers cannot do what they have been doing since Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch which happened back in the 60’s?
OMG!!!!!! This storyline is so good. I can’t wait to see the chaos that’s about to happen
Wait…but if broo brings the brood to earth to fight orchis, but broo dies while fighting….then there would be no one to control them, and there’d now be a giant army of hungry angry brood with no one to wrangle them killing and eating everything. And who would orchis and the mislead populace place the blame on?…….The Mutants 😬
Gaddam you Rob and these super epic ciff hangers! Best ever i swear. I think spiderverse 2 took a page from your book lmao
It's a good issue but leaves a lot to reveal that I commented on Blerd without fear's review. As I was just thinking about Omega Sentinel & Nimrod with the Phalanx/Dominion/Sinister plotline just now, I'm curious about the undiscussed plotline of the Children of Tomorrow/Darwin-Forge issue of his integration into the Children of Tomorrow City Complex (whether it was misleading of Forge for being released), not to mention Machine Man, Danger, Jocasta, Vision and his daughter, along with Warlock, and Issac of Mentor's city complex). Aren't they all AI with personality? Even Ultron and Machine Smith as well. Would a cybernetic mentality override all of their programming? Can a Dominion which spans time/space crush Kang the Conqueror? Watchers? A hive/AI dominion would be immortal? Would that be any different from the Cancerverse, where Death is wiped out? That storyline might be in the future of the Dominion of Phalanx versus a Cancerverse of Undying ones. Now that would be interesting.
7-10 Split woulda been more fitting than Pinata. Seeing someone like Colossus losing their cool is ALWAYS terrifying.
I can’t wait until the X-Men are heroes again,
Punching bags again
They shoulda kept the Krakoa status quo and built on it. After all this it seems disappointing that they'd cram back into that dusty mansion that gets torpedoed every other week....
That's not colossus that said that, it was sinister ( 0:52 ) ❤
Here We Goooooo💯
"I wanna get talked to by the Tribal Chief"
I gotta respect Logan playing his role. He clearly loves this
So they just murder this guy and "its kinda a cool thing"?
you know mutants are the villains now, right?
There killing Orchis. Those guys are trying to genocide Mutants. How are the X Men evil for defending themselves?
@@kap1618 at this point there is no evil or good any more
The war between human and mutant is a natural event because mutant is a natural threat to human
They are mean to replace human if both trying to live in earth together
So this war will happen , it not problem about good or bad
It just simple is the survival of each race
Rob, I thought you were gonna leave cliff hangers back in 2023 man
Hey Rob, can you do a video on Madame Webb? Since the trailer dropped I would love to see a comic explained video on her.
Part of me feels like he covered her once during some of the lead up to No Way Home.
"...deserve's got nothing to do with it" is lifted straight from Unforgiven.
Thank you for doing this channel.
Took a drink every time the narrator said "literally" and literally died.
This is why I don't read comics. They can't create a scenario were both sides have a "decent" reason to do what they're doing so everything is mind-control, memory-wipes, and resurrections.
Excellent video brother!
Comic stories are cyclical. They always go back to the beginning.
I haven't really read marvel comics in probably 15 plus years. I just catch little videos like this one. I feel like I've missed a whole lot, because the X-Men in general don't seem like the good guys anymore.