ROG FLOW X13 2022 vs Z13 2022 - Battle of the Tiny Giants!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- Comparing the ROG FLow devices... Z13 and X13 both are 2022 models with 3050 Ti and 16GB RAM, DDR5 and 1920x1200 120Hz screens.
0:00 Overview, stats and SUmmary
16:50 Final Fantasy XV testing
22:31 Display Information
24:21 Display Model Numbers
25:15 Zip extraction test
26: cinebench R23 Tests
27:50 Wifi Speeds
28:45 Inking and Pen Performance
33:00 Typing and ergonomics
35:49 NVME ssd details
36:14 iGPU Testing
39:28 Conclusion and Recap. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
exactly what I was looking for. fantastic video, love the use of percentages and you outlining your thoughts early and not sitting on the fence. sub earned.
Thanks for uploading this video! I'm thinking about getting the Z13.
That's the best comparison video of two laptops that i ever seen. Good job, Linus must assume you. You should have done a microphone and webcam test, but it's still great.
thank you so much for this video. I was looking for something like this for weeks. you helped me decide on keeping my x13.
Glad I could help! They both have their place... but I'm definitely in the X13 camp, it just works better for me.
The best comparison video with excellent detail. Thank you so much
Thank you for an excellent comparison
Thanks for the great video. Have you had a chance to look at the battery life comparison in different scenarios?
This is the review! Thank you
Great video I have decided to go with the z13
Thank you for the comparation of these two devices, so similar yet so diferent. Although I already liked more the X13 before watching your video, I have no doubt now of which one I will buy! (once I can afford it, of course 🙄). Knowing that you also have the first generation of the X13, I wonder if you plan on doing an in-deep comparation abount the 2021 vs 2022 models. It would really be intresting knowing how big the step is in this new generation. Thanks!
2021 Version Timespy:4228 GPU:4168 CPU:4609
2022 Version Timespy 4561 GPU:4268 CPU:7474
2022 adds: Mux switch, brighter display...
@@cbutters Thank you for the great video and stats! Do you believe the Mux switch and a clear bump in the CPU is worth the wait?
I really only want to buy one laptop for the next 3-5 years, and I don't game much outside of FFXIV. The tablet mode with the rigid structure will help me at work, so I'm pretty much settled on the x13.
Any advice is appreciated!
@@chasef4927 I think the most important difference is 300 nits for 2021 and 500 nits for 2022. That's a huge difference, although both devices have excellent screens, but 8f you're into bright screens and HDR in your face etc, or play outside under the sun, it might make a difference.
Lol this review has convinced me to buy the tablet version 😍 I love the angled RGB keyboard. Plus the thing is so freaking sexy. Love your reviews, they are better than anybody's!
Thanks for the comparison!
Really useful and interesting. I would love to see how these two would manage unreal engine. Do you think is something doable for you?
Anyway in my opinion your feeling is legit but it will really depends how each one wants to use it. In my case, I have a very powerful desktop machine at home provided by my company with 3080 64go with a production processor etc, so not limited at all in any way. But for my personal work, I don’t want to use the workstation so much if I can avoid it. I had to find a computer powerful enough to do unreal engine personal dev, shaders and ui, photoshop and 3D modeling with pencil, and also all administrative stuff. More than that, this computer has to let me continue my work when I’m moving for other places.
X13 and Z13 4K versions was both completely indicated for this. I hesitated a long time, but I decided finally to run with the Z13 (the only available currently in france). Which one I ordered yesterday.
Until I saw your review which changed my mind for the reasons you mentioned, and also for the 32go of ram available on the version I need! I was not aware about the AMD performance and your bench are so helpful. I ordered online, so today I will be able to cancel and wait for the new X13.
Have you any idea when it should be available?
As the The Z13, the X13 will perfectly match with my home setup. With my desktop, I am using a Logitech MX Keyboard and MX Master mouse. The keyboard is able to be paired with 3 devices, easily switchable by pressing one key. I’m using also an iPad and I wanted to be able to arrange easily my desk with my personal computer on it, without taking any useless space on the desk, like with a classic gaming laptop. The both Z13 and X13 would be completely enough for my use, and even if I could remove the keyboard on the Z13 to make it stand under or on the side of one of my screens, I’ll finally be able to do the same with the X13 (which have a a more neutral design), an switch super easily between the both computers.
Thanks again for the review!
Thanks for your detailed comparison!
👍👍👍👍👍 useful comparison
Great comparison - any data on the temperatures? Guessing it won't be too bad with around 50W combined. Saw around 77C GPU for X13 during benchmark?
thanks good video but how many Adds should be in a Video? every 5 min ?
I like your videos and choice of devices you compare. Can you compare highest spec Surface pro 8 to highest spec Z13 whilst using iris graphics and then 3050ti?
I got the Flow X13 with 6800HS and 680M and i love it! Powerfull beast.
Hi cbutters, You have great and detailed comparisons on you channel. Very nice, definitely with the big leagues TH-camrs.
I am looking at these 2 devices vs Surface Pro 8. I want the Surface Pro form factor but also I want to work in Immersed with 5 monitors anywhere with HP Reverb g2.
I am afraid to go with the Surface Pro because I don't know whether this is possible. The x13 seems to be a middle ground. Do you know whether the i5 or in the worst case i7 version of the Surface Pro can do Immersed? Games are not required.
Wish you did a battery life comparison on these bad boys. One thing I wish Asus did with the x13 is provide a 3:2 aspect ratio. Any time I see a thick bezel at the bottom of the screen my thought is that these companies should just provide the next best aspect ratio. 16:10 is still great but I can't help but feel cheaped out when the price on the x13 is very premium already.
Only reason I'd go for the z13 is because the keyboard is detachable. I hate feeling there keys when holding a foldable as a tablet. But I'm also concerned of buying one this far in. When do the new ones drop?
Nice comparison. Thank you. Any chance you can test Elden Ring on the X13?
Would love to see Elden Ring too
the palm rest area warms up if battery is charging and really warms up after 20-30 mins of gaming on the x13, something completely avoided on the z13, food for thought
Great video, I am also leaning more towards the x13 atm. I heard reports about the new x13 lasting 6-10 hours for light office work or video playback. Can you confirm these claims? Also would be interesting to know what the difference performance in games would be if we compare dGPU/iGPU, maybe in more esports oriented titles like CS:GO, LoL, Valorant~. Hope you will make a more in depth video about the x13 soon!
Battery life on the 2022 X13 is amazing... I rarely naturally use my laptop for 8-10 hours, but I can use it for casual browsing and video watching on the couch for 3-4 hours and only lose 20-30% battery. Silent Mode + Eco on GPU is VERY efficient... the chassis stays very very cool.
@@cbutters That's awesome! Thanks for your reply. Think I will switch to the x13 from my Legion 5i Pro.
what about the temperature after couple hours? and can you do a excel testing? thank you !
Wow leaned more to the x13 cause of this! Could you check if the RAM is upgradable?? I really need 32GB ram! Thanks!
its not, unless you know how to microsolder. :)
Ordered the i900 Flow Z13 a few days ago.
They didn’t have an AMD cpu variant, but if they did I would have gotten that instead to go along with the XG 6850M XT eGPU.
Still, impressive what Asus has done to cram all that behind a screen for the tablet form factor.
How are you liking the Z13 and just wondering have you played overwatch on it or any games ?.
Does the BIOS allow you to disable the Nvidia GPU or only in the ROG control panel in Windows?
May I know if you can try to modify those 4 hot keys on the top of the keyboard? When I go to AC -> Device -> System -> Customizable Hot Key. It shows Pre-requisite update, then take me to AC Update center with no more new updates. I've did clean setup of Win11, and carefully installed all drivers from ROG support page instead of using Windows update provided ones. I am not sure if still some drivers were missing on their page or there are something wrong with BIOS / Firmware to trigger changing these hot keys. Thanks
Thanks for the comparisons. Really help me in deciding my purchase decision. How much is the new X13 compare to the 2021 model? Any price hike?
I think it is + $100
It might depends on where you're from, also there were different versions available last year.
I think the version without the XGM was 2021 at its release (with the internal GTX 1650 GPU) around $1'600. The X13 2022 is now listed for $ 2'200 (wiith the XGM it costs $3'500).
So quite a difference! This is in Switzerland.
The prices for the Z13 are $2'700 without and $3'900 with the XGM combo (absolutely ridiculous pricing!).
I bought the Flow X13 Supernova Edition (XGM RTX 3080) at it's release in 2021. It was listed for around $3'200 (I got it with a discount for $3'000).
So the new Z13 XGM Bundle is some mad $800 more expensive! And the X13 XGM bundle $300 more.
When I learned about the X13 in early 2021, I was super excited! But when something new hits the market that could be revolutionary, I usually would wait for a second if not third edition, just to be sure it can meet the hype and also to get a version that is improved upon some potential issues that might were reported (see Steam Deck). But I'm happy having bought it last year, I haven't had any issues at all.
To me the 2022 editions don't seem to be that much better to justify the higher price tags. Now I'm curious about future models after 2022.
Btw. if you wanna see my setup, there's a video on my channel.
tank you sucsesfull video
@cbutters Tech
Great comparison 👏🏻
Please could you confirm the make and model of the stylus/pen you used?
Microsoft Slim Pen 1
Hi,
do you have any info regarding the release date of the x13 2022?
I tried to contact the Asus support team, but they just said "We have no idea, keep in touch"... Ok thanks ^^
Where do you live? It is available right now in USA at bestbuy
In HK, the standalone (without the XGmobile) version of X13 only has 16G Ram on board ... but my friends told me, 16G ram might not be enough for 4K video editing. Don't know whether connecting the XG Mobile (a much more powerful GPU) would solve this problem?
X13 will have way better battery life and it’ll go perfect with the 6850m EGPU coming out
Also great review thank you!
Wow i just bought the x13 3050ti device its so amazing to have a small portable powerhouse with not only a great amount of power, but also have the touch screen drawing capabilities, and an integrated keyboard. It gets pretty hot playing games but if im gonna be gaming ill use a cooling pad, not in my lap
did u buy the 2021 version or 2022 version?
and how many hours can u get for productivity? like an adobe, 3d modelling, CAD etc. and how many hours can u get when gaming?
@@hidden4767 Im not sure, it was manufactured in mid 2021 but i dunno if that makes it the 2021 version lol. I haven't used any intensive software or anything on battery, just clip studio paint in tablet mode and web browsing, TH-cam videos. All thag running seemed i was getting a solid time on battery. I haven't played games on battery yet.
@@CrumCringle thanks for the reply. i was confused cause some say it only last for 3 hours, some say 6 to 7 while the asus claim it can last for 12 hours of video playback. can you specify how many hours can u get for your daily use? laptop battery is my main concern but there arent many laptops that has a powerful component and convertible form factor like flow x13.
@@hidden4767 you'll see about 8 hours for basic edge web browsing and school work with the X13 (2022 Ryzen 9 model) and 5 hours on the Z13
I bought the Asus Z13 out of curiousity to compare with my Asus X13. It is cool but some kinks needs to work out. Few times Micro SD card did not register on boot up and required a restart /card removal to register. The plastic on the front sides corners can be squishy. It is surprisingly heavy. With my XG Mobile there have been hiccups after properly disconnecting where forced shutdown of apps causes computer unable to fully shut down or restart without holding power button. Minor issues. It feels much heavier so definitely keeping my X13 as my school laptop. Overall it is interesting but hard to justify it with the MSRP.
I heard somewhere there was a recall with the 2021 XGM due to connectivity issues. You might wanna look into that.
@@DLVRYDRYVR I have not heard anything but for a long time they were intermittently out of stock. I will check around and see. Thank you.
Nice video! Really needed this view! I planning to buy Z13 with the eGPU later. But I've been wondering since the RAM is only limited to 16gb. While X13 is 32gb. Does it make any big difference?
Best Buy sells the Z13 with the eGPU and 32GB RAM.
16gb vs 32gb may or may not make any difference..... just depends what you are doing. heavy creative or CAD workloads and virtual machines... yeah you want 32GB. Casual gamers, business students and someone who just want a good thin and light are probably not gaining anything from bumping up to 32GB.
@@cbutters I'm an architect student later for my masters. Would it be sufficient 16gb ram for CAD ? 3D modeling & rendering?
@@breakpoint4869 i don't think there is Z13 with 32gb RAM in the market? Or I'm wrong? I have looked but all max to 16gb ram only.
mgtuts.com/autocad/how-much-ram-is-needed-for-cad-programs.html
I'm no expert on CAD, but seems like 32GB would be a "nice to have" feature but not "essential" especially if you want to use this device all the way through your program... I also want to buy the 32GB / 4K version of the 2022 X13, but I don't have any source for it yet... eventually that 32GB version might be available on newegg or online somewhere.. or it is possible that ASUS will release a refreshed "Supernova" edition w/ 32GB. but the price premium might be pretty drastic compared to the Best Buy model. Tough call, but 16GB generally should be ok. Also I would take the 16GB Ryzen 6000 w/ DDR5 and 3050 Ti over the 32GB supernova with Ryzen 500 and DDR4 / 1650 GPU.
Great Comparison! The Flow Z13 is conceptually sound but the implementation lacks finesse...they sure could have gone with a stealthier exterior for the tablet (instead of the gamery 06 lettering and cutout RGB window). The XG mobile/eGPU has been plagued by supply issues ever since it launched...but with the new top of the line Radeon option (that would make the Flow X13 an all-AMD system!) and with SAM enabled it would be interesting to see the benchmarks then.
Hi ! Need to buy touch laptop for drawing / sculpting (better with 3050/3050 ti) what would you recommend ? Maybe new X16 or ZenBook Pro 15 OLED ?
I'm still pretty big on the Flow X13 personally... but if you want a bigger screen either of those two will definitely fit the bill.
Just got my Z13 in. Waiting on the XG Mobile 3080 to ship to me.
Cuanto te dura la bateria con uso pesado y basico?
Cual es tu experiencia, la recomiendas?
I'll be excited when the X13 comes out without the 3050 dGPU. I have a Zephyrus G15 3070 but I would like a thin and light convertible for work and the new 680M is more than enough for that use case.
It already has 3050ti
@@spinachpies yes, there are 3 versions, at least in the USA. One with a 3050, one with a 3050Ti, and one without the dGPU. I already have a Zephyrus G15 with 3070 but I would like a Ryzen 6000 powered thin and light convertible and don't need a dGPU in that device. Right now we can get the Flow X13 version with a 3050Ti at Best Buy, but I don't want to spend an extra ~400 on extra hardware I don't need for a work laptop.
I actually thought that both models had the same panel so I'm interested that the z13 seemed to a better response/less ghosting.
same here... the ms of the panel makes me think thing twice... very bad they didn't use the same response or better with the x13..
I really hope the iGPU only version will drop down to around 1000 bucks so I can replace my old laptop.
wondering if xg mobile will have desktop gpu in future, but i heard x13 has issue of the connector for xg mobile, how about z13
The connector issue depends on how delicate you are and if you have it pulling at an angle or something. I have both X and Z13 with the 680M XG Mobile and the connection is rock solid on both
I have the 2021 X13 Supernova with XG Mobile and have considered the Z13 but wondered how they perform with and without XG Mobile, given that X13 has 32GB DDR4x VS Z13 16 GB DDR5? Do you have any insights into this?
When my XG mobile shows up I can show some benchmarks between 2021 x13 and 2022 x13 w/ the xg mobile
Thank you!
I also purchased the X13 SN Edition at its release in 2021.
To me the 2022 editions don't seem to be that much better in specs to justify the much higher price tags. I would rather wait for later versions.
And even though the Z13 looks absolutely badass and has the much anticipated micro SD card slot, it just feels like it could turn into a bummer, not having some of the X13's comfort features. So I might would tend to choose the X13 design again.
Btw. you can get a tiny USB-A micro SD card reader to upgrade the X13's memory space. Mine was $2 and works perfectly fine with a 1 TB mSD card xD
Could i ask how is the battery life on both devices?
8 hours on the X13 (Ryzen 9 2022) and 5 hours on the Z13 with basic computing. Gaming they both get about an hour or less
CUANTO DURA LA BATERIA DEL Z13 CON PROGRAMAS PESADOS Y LIVIANOs?
Do all of the X13's have a tablet mode?
Yes they do.
im gonna say out the box the z13 offers a better performance, because you don't need to tweak tgp limits on the cpu to make the gpu work properly and if theres thermal headroom for cpu temps they may be a bios update for the intel cpu's for better clocks
while you can use both as a tablet u wouldnt carry around the keyboard in tablet mode on the z13 so it is lighter and less clunky and u wont have to feel the keyboard on the back like the x13
Please help me since you are a surface guy. I cant decide between surface pro and x13, i want to do digital drawing, photoshop stuff and light 3d work. The surface pro will cost me quite a bit more for 16gb spec with pen and keyboard than top specced x13(32gb, 1tb, 6900hs and a 3840x2400 screen). I feel like x13 make more sense from bang for buck, but if drawing is so subpar on it then it might be a deal breaker.
I returned my Z13 on store and changed it to x13 flow edition. No regrets battery and much cooler
Would love to see pricing on the model without Nvidia. I've always wanted a modern laptop with a 35W class CPU and good onboard graphics without the Optimus nonsense.
Is the x13 metallic or plastic build or combination? Thanks
Magnesium+aluminium
I own an X13 (2022, 6900HS, 3050Ti) and to be honest i dont really get the point of the Z13. With the Keyboard attached it is thicker and heavier than the X and the performance (without the eGPU) is worse while costing more money. To your Pen test: i see that is not an Asus Pen. I bought an Asus Pen for mine and it worked much better than the Surface Pen. Also, what program was that? Different programs give very different results aswell. OneNote has some very decent results with the pen. Since the Panel on both models are exactly the same i see no reason for the Z to be performing any better than the X. Anyway, i cant recommend the X enough, i love it
Hi , would you recommend me to get ASUS flow X13 I need it to ( hard work), engineering program,and gaming .?
what about the battery life between those two?
62Wh on X13 vs 56Wh on Z13. Haven't had the 2022 x13 long enough to test.. but almost certainly the X13 will last longer. When loading cpu and GPU asus has tuned them to use about the same wattage. the wildcard is the idle / video / mild workloads which could go either way, but I suspect the X13 will beat out the Z13 as most other reviewers experienced battery life.
@@cbutters i really like flow design cus im an architecture student that are looking for portability and performance. so im wondering how long do you think the battery on x13 will lasts when im using autoCAD and Sketchup?
@@cbutters How long does it take to charge to 50% or 100% of the battery? and another question, how many hours of battery life can each one just watch videos? Thank you!
8 hours on the X13 (Ryzen 9 2022) and 5 hours on the Z13 with basic computing. Gaming they both get about an hour or less
ASUS ROG ZEPHYRUS G15 OR ASUS ROG FLOW X13 WHICH IS BETTER?
G15 for power, ROG FLOW X13 for touch and pen support.
How the battery life? Ty
8 hours on the X13 (Ryzen 9 2022) and 5 hours on the Z13 with basic computing. Gaming they both get about an hour or less
they advertise 32gb of ddr5 on the 2022 model but I can't find it anywhere! is this for only the 4k display models which I also can't seem to find. What should I do?
Is ASUS making a 15” version of this??
update they are coming out with a 16'
your intel cpu might be throttled when doing the final fantasy test with 3050ti
I don’t understand the reasons how you came to the conclusion that Z13 is a subpar tablet and laptop.
Asus should’ve went with ryzen 6000 without dedicated gpu to make the z13 lighter, and then keep the XG mobile connection.
That would be a truly interesting device.
How about the old x13 vs the new x13
2021 Version Timespy:4228 GPU:4168 CPU:4609
2022 Version Timespy 4561 GPU:4268 CPU:7474
2022 adds: Mux switch, brighter display...
@@cbutters do you think the x13 2022 will perform better with the XG mobile, I mean better fps
one things most important about comparison "PRICE" bro
Noted.
What abt the battery life, which has better
x13 for certain.
"spread its legs" xD
lol... whoops...maybe should have said spread its wings..
@@cbutters No, legs was the right choice.
Lololololol
Z13 is a TABLET with the heart, lungs and brain of laptop but with the battery stamina of a sloth!
rog flow x13 (2022) vs dell xps 13 plus 9320 (2022) ?
Too Funny
two different form factors cutters!! you can't compare them. If you want a notebook experience then its the X and if you want a tablet experience go the Z. I have both and I prefer the Z over the X just for the excellent design and taking it the next level on that design.
I prefer the Z more as well but the X is way more practical and efficient. They have the configurations backwards. The X should have the intel and the Z should have the AMD
ASUS ROG has big issue with surface (swell and disappear). i have own experience with X13 (and i am not alone) . it is MISFIT !!! it would be nice to see, how the surface of this notebook will looks like after several months of using. NOBODY show you how does it looks like after longer period with regular using (i am SW developer). DO NOT BUY ASUS ROG if you want to have good looking tool for longer than 1 year of using !!
Fyi, the S in Chassis is silent "chassi", its derived from french etymology. So its pronounced "chassy" like sissy but chassy, silent S.
I grew up saying it that way and keep trying to correct myself, but it sneaks out occasionally, didn't know it was because it was a french pronunciation, so thanks for the bit of knowledge!
What's the freaking HG mobile? or module? It's hard to understand. If you speak tech lingo then translate to plain English for everyone. On the top, this video is way too long...
Watched until I heard chasSIS.
Lol, old habit from being a kid who learned everything from books and not from talking to people.
Which pen do u use for the pen perfomance? Want the z13 but without the asus pen it comes for default 🥲