What a fantastic and realistic review of this unit. Right down to earth on the pros and cons. The limitation for charging will definitely put me off and the aftersales support is also crucial for my case. Based on the information you provided, i will most definitely give this version a miss, not because i think its a bad unit, but ideally i'd like them to have more charging support as well as the inclusion of a 4/5G LTE connectivity... I travel a lot for business, and i absolutely HATE tethering my phone since i also need the battery life on my phone to make calls etc. Keep up the good work on these reviews, Liked and subbed.
Thank you, I'm glad this was helpful. Built in 5g would be great I agree with you. Bummed by a few of the decisions they are making, it seems they could fix these issues without too much trouble.
Agreed re LTE. Here in UK I picked up a refurb Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Tablet Gen 3 for equivalent of $400. Kickstand i7 16GB RAM 256 GB SSD LTE and superb backlit keyboard. (I bought a stylus separately.) It is a business machine so graphics or cpu heavy apps kill it, definitely not for gaming. I use it for business and CAD. Alas Lenovo never released a more recent more powerful version since. I hope ASUS sort out the battery life, add an SD Card slot for us photographers and improve cooling so it can game, video edit and/or 3D CAD without an external GPU.
Hi, thanks for all the work done :D Im' wondering, i want to use my free time at work to do some Zbrush cause i'm trying to get better in hope some day to make sculpting my full time job, but i'm looking for a good tablet to use for a smooth experience on Zbrush and a fair price. Do i have to invest in this one or a cheaper one can do the work? I appreciate your work =).
I have a Z13, and I understand the critiques and I have my own. However, I can't imagine going back to a clamshell, the upside of this device is too great for me. Love your content!
Ignore the handle - I must be logged in with my work account. I was just wondering what you had repaired on your Z13? I just got mine back. I had this weird USB problem where if I plugged something into the second Type C port, the laptop would stop charging. It would charge fine if only the charger was plugged in. They replaced the mainboard and I was only without it for 6 days. I found the whole support experience, here in Australia, to be really good. I bought mine a year ago and I realised the other day that I haven't taken the stylus out of the box it came in. I find the touch experience in Windows 11 really good so I mostly use my fat fingers if I haven't got a mouse handy.
Hey, thanks! I appreciate you sharing. I still have this laptop and it works well for a lot of things. But wish I had a Surface Laptop Studio 2 instead.
hi! I have the Samsung book2 360 just wondering if it is equal to the z13 flow in terms of drawing/ painting in photoshop??? I am very happy with the book2 but wanted something that could also be used as a gaming device- thank you so much!
@TabletPro : Fantastic review on this piece of technology. Really upto the point. But just got a question from using this laptop from note taking perspective, is there a drag and drop of image,text available between the apps using stylus. Similar like the one available in Samsung Galaxy Tablets?
I'm not familiar with the Samsung version of that, I can use the stylus to drag and drop images if you drag from a specific place on the file, or I use the float mode in Tablet Pro STUDIO as a trackpad to do this and it works just like a mouse would.
Thank you very much for the video. I have a question about the volume. I often sit in the university library and just need my peace and quiet when I'm working with word (not power-hungry). Is it possible to set the tablet to completely silent or is the fan always running?
So I'm looking at this device or the SLS2. I love the size of this tablet, but I do like the better drawing experience of the SLS2. Since this review has come out, have you noticed an improvement in pen support for z13? (I'd be using the surface slim pen 2)
I'm tempted to get the ROG Flow Z13 (2023) GZ301 because of the 100% DP-3 color gamut alone. But, if the thing is only going to last 2 hours before I have to plug it in, and the customer support is that bad, then I think I will settle for the smaller color gamut in the Surface Pro 9.
Hello, brother! Do you know if its possible to connect an external drawing tablet (huion) via hdmi+usb to this Rog? I'm having a heavy gaming lenovo legion with i7 rtx 3070. Was thinking to change it to Z13 2023, which I could take with me and upgrade a bit the performance for Zbrush use. but still hoping to use external tablet for home drawing. Do you think its good idea for such change in this scenario? Thank you for your guidance!
With the huion tablet. What is it about the huion that you feel you would like more than drawing directly on the z13? It would help to know how it’s different.
@@TabletPro I have Huion Kanvas 23inch. its at least bigger and, I'm not sure, but maybe the pen sensetivity is better? didn't compare. But to sculpt at home with bigger tablet is much more comfortable. To sculpt on Z13 itself - on the way or travelling. :) But do you know if its possible to connect them via HDMI?
Have they fixed the palm rejection? I want to get tis laptop because I want to paint in 3d on programs such as Substance and Blender and the surface isn't as powerful. Or should I get ASUS ROG Flow X16
Finally, I will re-ask my question, without any links, hoping UToob doesn't block it. Have you tried using the Microsoft Slim Pen 2 with this tablet. Does the tilt work? The Stylus that ASUS recommends for this tablet doesn't mention tilt in its description. However, an older ASUS stylus DOES mention tilt. So it is hard to tell whether this ROG Flow Z13 (2023) GZ301 tablet actually senses stylus tilt. In ASUS's huge, fancy web page, describing this tablet, they barely mention stylus support at all.
I’ve tried the slim pen 2 on the z13. It doesn’t perform as clean a line as the surface pen 2017 model does. Since the Slim Pen 2 is very expensive, requires a separate charger, and doesn’t draw as nicely I don’t recommend it at all for this model. The surface pen and the r530 stylus by renaisser are my recommendations. All the stylus including the Asus one support tilt on this device and almost every device. Hope that helps
Have any of the stylus-related issues improved with driver and software updates? I just ordered a Z13 to replace my surface laptop studio 2 because I just couldn’t live with that screen. Loved the performance while using the slim pen, but felt like I was using a panel from the 90s. Lol. My main use case is diagramming and other drawing apps so hope I didn’t make an even bigger mistake buying the ASUS. They do have a history of ship-then-fix, but support for the ROG Ally has been great since launch so I’m hopeful…
No changes that I am aware of. However installing Wintab (for Surface Pro 4) did help with some pen and touch issues, although it may have reverted on its own back to pre-wintab status.
I'm trying to figure out how to sell my Z13 to buy the Surface Laptop Studio 2. But have to figure a few things out about the switch. Curious how much the screen will bother me or not. I didn't have an issue with the Surface Laptop Studio and so I'm hoping it's negligible.
Thank you for the thoughts! I can confirm the palm rejection is pretty bad.. in fact, a lot worse than my yoga book 9i, which is just on the OK side of things for me. That’s a dealbreaker for me. I will try the wintab drivers but I suspect I’ll be returning this one. I’ve had 3 BSODs in 1 day so, also, so it hasn’t been a great start for me. I’m more sensitive to display issues than most-you may be fine with it. The ghosting on the SLS was 2000s-era bad, and the shimmer as you move your head around (naturally) isn’t great, either. All around a very underwhelming screen. From a pen perspective, though, it was smooth as butter! And the performance matched the Z13 even though the SLS I had was a 4050, and my Z13 is a 4060. Impressive optimization from Microsoft and the build quality is off the charts. Just don’t use the NPU for video or battery life is ~90 mins on Teams calls. Would love to know what you think when you get a hold of one.
Can't wait to own something like this. Busy dad who works Hella hours and games to stay sober. I have enough frustration with windows handheld but one day ill get frustrated with one of these. Love the times we are in.
Did you have any problems with the keyboard? My son had a z13 2022 model for 3months and the keyboard ribbon cable broke and it did stop working when attached correctly to the magnet. Is the 2023 model affected too ??
@@TabletPro My son used it daily 5+ hours gaming on his legs and I kinda expected the keyboard to die first but not like this. more like buttons getting loose. Receiving a replacement unit next week hope that will last longer, he knows he's gotta be careful now. thanks for answering! great content BTW!
Hmmm Just switched to an Rog Flow Z13 from Surface Pro 7+, Surface is nice as an tablet for note taking and drawing as students or 2D Artists but I found it running rly slow and laggy with some Adobe programs. I'm a fashion design major college student, I need a more intense power machine to help me survive through learning 3D CAD, Fusion360, and CLO3D programs for 2nd semester so that's why I got Rog Flow Z13, it's a much powerful version of surface pro with dedicated graphic card to perform difficult tasks. This is gonna be the main pc I'll be using for doing homework other than the Alienware desktops at college. Btw rly hope the Surface Pros have dedicated GPU versions rather than integrated GPU, and Surface Laptop Studio is way too expensive for students.
How has your experience been? I'm thinking of replacing my aging workhorse 2-in-1 (lenovo thinkpad X1 tablet gen 2), and looking at the options in that space nowadays (Surface, other tablet-form lenovo), the situation looks dire. They usually only have two USB C ports (I need at least one USB A for my unifying dongle), possibly no 3.5mm jack, and the absolute worst: no micro SD slot. I'm eyeing a much lower specced Flow Z13 (the one without the dedicated GPU, which lowers the whole price to 900-1k USD). I don't mind at all the performance hit (since I don't really game on my laptop anyway), but I don't know how ASUS' built quality is and how good their pen/stylus is
I installed unreal engine 5 on it and it’s not great. I’d love to say it handles it well and maybe there is a setting im missing. But I’m running the low resource version and still isn’t great. Gaming is great on this. 3D in Blender and Zbrush. I think would also be great. I’d push towards the Surface Laptop Studio 2 if looking in this type of device though.
@@WiiManElite It's ofcourse frustrating that they removed the ports but as he said you're taking a risk going for Asus. Yes I has a ROG flow Z13, the 2022 version and I can tell you it was stressful to get it repaired cos the Keyboard broke and I have to pay to according to them "get it fixed". The quoted me parts only to just replace the Keyboard. Don't even get me started on basic things that never worked no matter how hard I tried. I tried my best to overlook the shortcoming but I hit my limit at some point. I could never do wireless mirroring to my TV, something a 6 year old Surface could do, my 3.5mm Headset didn't work properly, the fan was almost alway on all the time..... Now using a Surface pro 9, it's not perfect but I don't have to compromise a lot like with the Rog flow z13.
I love how not a single person shows gaming on a GAMING DEVICE. It's like taking about a wifi router and not showing it working. Pretty disappointing review
7:44 For one note to recognize pen as it should be , try enabling tablet mode
Very informative and helpful! Thanks!
What a fantastic and realistic review of this unit. Right down to earth on the pros and cons. The limitation for charging will definitely put me off and the aftersales support is also crucial for my case. Based on the information you provided, i will most definitely give this version a miss, not because i think its a bad unit, but ideally i'd like them to have more charging support as well as the inclusion of a 4/5G LTE connectivity... I travel a lot for business, and i absolutely HATE tethering my phone since i also need the battery life on my phone to make calls etc.
Keep up the good work on these reviews, Liked and subbed.
Thank you, I'm glad this was helpful. Built in 5g would be great I agree with you. Bummed by a few of the decisions they are making, it seems they could fix these issues without too much trouble.
Agreed re LTE. Here in UK I picked up a refurb Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Tablet Gen 3 for equivalent of $400. Kickstand i7 16GB RAM 256 GB SSD LTE and superb backlit keyboard. (I bought a stylus separately.) It is a business machine so graphics or cpu heavy apps kill it, definitely not for gaming. I use it for business and CAD. Alas Lenovo never released a more recent more powerful version since. I hope ASUS sort out the battery life, add an SD Card slot for us photographers and improve cooling so it can game, video edit and/or 3D CAD without an external GPU.
Hi, thanks for all the work done :D
Im' wondering, i want to use my free time at work to do some Zbrush cause i'm trying to get better in hope some day to make sculpting my full time job, but i'm looking for a good tablet to use for a smooth experience on Zbrush and a fair price.
Do i have to invest in this one or a cheaper one can do the work?
I appreciate your work =).
I have a Z13, and I understand the critiques and I have my own. However, I can't imagine going back to a clamshell, the upside of this device is too great for me. Love your content!
Thank you 😊. I agree, I really like the tablet form factor so much better than a clamshell. very nice, very practical
@@TabletPro what does clamshell mean like a surface pro ? which would you choose if you could only choose one. A surface pro 9 or this ?
@@silverpro8356clam shells are what typical laptops are they close like a clam. If you like to game this blows the surface out of the water
Clamshell is just a normal laptop.@@silverpro8356
@@silverpro8356clamshell means 2 parts with a hinge
Ignore the handle - I must be logged in with my work account. I was just wondering what you had repaired on your Z13? I just got mine back. I had this weird USB problem where if I plugged something into the second Type C port, the laptop would stop charging. It would charge fine if only the charger was plugged in. They replaced the mainboard and I was only without it for 6 days. I found the whole support experience, here in Australia, to be really good.
I bought mine a year ago and I realised the other day that I haven't taken the stylus out of the box it came in. I find the touch experience in Windows 11 really good so I mostly use my fat fingers if I haven't got a mouse handy.
Hi! Thanks for the video! What exactly broke on your machine? Why did it end up in repair center?
very helpful vidoe thanks for ur time.
Great coverage thanks!
I'm interested in getting a Z13, but I've seen a ton of long term issues for the device while researching. Has yours still been holding up well?
Thank you for this video!
Hi im from italy and TH-cam suggest me this video so was a nice found ;) Greta job and I like this rewiev on your opinion is on Point ;)GJ
Hey, thanks! I appreciate you sharing. I still have this laptop and it works well for a lot of things. But wish I had a Surface Laptop Studio 2 instead.
hi! I have the Samsung book2 360 just wondering if it is equal to the z13 flow in terms of drawing/ painting in photoshop??? I am very happy with the book2 but wanted something that could also be used as a gaming device- thank you so much!
@TabletPro : Fantastic review on this piece of technology. Really upto the point. But just got a question from using this laptop from note taking perspective, is there a drag and drop of image,text available between the apps using stylus. Similar like the one available in Samsung Galaxy Tablets?
I'm not familiar with the Samsung version of that, I can use the stylus to drag and drop images if you drag from a specific place on the file, or I use the float mode in Tablet Pro STUDIO as a trackpad to do this and it works just like a mouse would.
Thank you very much for the video. I have a question about the volume. I often sit in the university library and just need my peace and quiet when I'm working with word (not power-hungry). Is it possible to set the tablet to completely silent or is the fan always running?
It can be set to a silent mode
So I'm looking at this device or the SLS2. I love the size of this tablet, but I do like the better drawing experience of the SLS2. Since this review has come out, have you noticed an improvement in pen support for z13? (I'd be using the surface slim pen 2)
I'm tempted to get the ROG Flow Z13 (2023) GZ301 because of the 100% DP-3 color gamut alone. But, if the thing is only going to last 2 hours before I have to plug it in, and the customer support is that bad, then I think I will settle for the smaller color gamut in the Surface Pro 9.
Awesome review, i have a question. Can the Z13 be used as a 2nd display?
@@WiiManEliteI don’t think that’s what he was asking.
Hello, brother! Do you know if its possible to connect an external drawing tablet (huion) via hdmi+usb to this Rog? I'm having a heavy gaming lenovo legion with i7 rtx 3070. Was thinking to change it to Z13 2023, which I could take with me and upgrade a bit the performance for Zbrush use. but still hoping to use external tablet for home drawing. Do you think its good idea for such change in this scenario? Thank you for your guidance!
With the huion tablet. What is it about the huion that you feel you would like more than drawing directly on the z13? It would help to know how it’s different.
@@TabletPro I have Huion Kanvas 23inch. its at least bigger and, I'm not sure, but maybe the pen sensetivity is better? didn't compare. But to sculpt at home with bigger tablet is much more comfortable. To sculpt on Z13 itself - on the way or travelling. :) But do you know if its possible to connect them via HDMI?
firstly, thank you for your videos covering the Z13! I do have one question: Do you still reccomend buying this device in 2024?
Have they fixed the palm rejection? I want to get tis laptop because I want to paint in 3d on programs such as Substance and Blender and the surface isn't as powerful. Or should I get ASUS ROG Flow X16
I can tell you the Flow X16 has issues with palm rejection, too. I sold it for a Surface Laptop Studio.
i cannot find any cases for this :( . i need a protective case from drops while using the tablet. all i see is laptop cases with folders.
Is there a way to do HDMI out with this device? Want to be able to use it to game in hotel rooms when on the go.
i believe it would be via c9nverfer
Does the software work with the ASUS Pen 2.0 SA203H?
Finally, I will re-ask my question, without any links, hoping UToob doesn't block it.
Have you tried using the Microsoft Slim Pen 2 with this tablet. Does the tilt work? The Stylus that ASUS recommends for this tablet doesn't mention tilt in its description. However, an older ASUS stylus DOES mention tilt. So it is hard to tell whether this ROG Flow Z13 (2023) GZ301 tablet actually senses stylus tilt. In ASUS's huge, fancy web page, describing this tablet, they barely mention stylus support at all.
I’ve tried the slim pen 2 on the z13. It doesn’t perform as clean a line as the surface pen 2017 model does. Since the Slim Pen 2 is very expensive, requires a separate charger, and doesn’t draw as nicely I don’t recommend it at all for this model. The surface pen and the r530 stylus by renaisser are my recommendations. All the stylus including the Asus one support tilt on this device and almost every device. Hope that helps
Have any of the stylus-related issues improved with driver and software updates? I just ordered a Z13 to replace my surface laptop studio 2 because I just couldn’t live with that screen. Loved the performance while using the slim pen, but felt like I was using a panel from the 90s. Lol. My main use case is diagramming and other drawing apps so hope I didn’t make an even bigger mistake buying the ASUS. They do have a history of ship-then-fix, but support for the ROG Ally has been great since launch so I’m hopeful…
No changes that I am aware of. However installing Wintab (for Surface Pro 4)
did help with some pen and touch issues, although it may have reverted on its own back to pre-wintab status.
I'm trying to figure out how to sell my Z13 to buy the Surface Laptop Studio 2. But have to figure a few things out about the switch. Curious how much the screen will bother me or not. I didn't have an issue with the Surface Laptop Studio and so I'm hoping it's negligible.
Thank you for the thoughts! I can confirm the palm rejection is pretty bad.. in fact, a lot worse than my yoga book 9i, which is just on the OK side of things for me. That’s a dealbreaker for me. I will try the wintab drivers but I suspect I’ll be returning this one. I’ve had 3 BSODs in 1 day so, also, so it hasn’t been a great start for me.
I’m more sensitive to display issues than most-you may be fine with it. The ghosting on the SLS was 2000s-era bad, and the shimmer as you move your head around (naturally) isn’t great, either. All around a very underwhelming screen. From a pen perspective, though, it was smooth as butter! And the performance matched the Z13 even though the SLS I had was a 4050, and my Z13 is a 4060. Impressive optimization from Microsoft and the build quality is off the charts. Just don’t use the NPU for video or battery life is ~90 mins on Teams calls.
Would love to know what you think when you get a hold of one.
Can't wait to own something like this. Busy dad who works Hella hours and games to stay sober. I have enough frustration with windows handheld but one day ill get frustrated with one of these. Love the times we are in.
Did you have any problems with the keyboard? My son had a z13 2022 model for 3months and the keyboard ribbon cable broke and it did stop working when attached correctly to the magnet. Is the 2023 model affected too ??
no keyboard issues, but I rarely use the keyboard. I use a separate bluetooth keyboard instead.
@@TabletPro My son used it daily 5+ hours gaming on his legs and I kinda expected the keyboard to die first but not like this. more like buttons getting loose. Receiving a replacement unit next week hope that will last longer, he knows he's gotta be careful now. thanks for answering! great content BTW!
shoes are the best accessories for z13
on my 2-in-1's I have found that palm rejection is off by default
the best Z13 review on the internet
Thank you 😊
How is they drawing compared to a iPad Pro? I have an iPads pro, work laptop, and ROG ally. If I could replace all 3 with this would be awesome
Sadly the ipad pro is still the best for drawing. I have one and I hate it but the drawing is second to none.
Hmmm Just switched to an Rog Flow Z13 from Surface Pro 7+, Surface is nice as an tablet for note taking and drawing as students or 2D Artists but I found it running rly slow and laggy with some Adobe programs. I'm a fashion design major college student, I need a more intense power machine to help me survive through learning 3D CAD, Fusion360, and CLO3D programs for 2nd semester so that's why I got Rog Flow Z13, it's a much powerful version of surface pro with dedicated graphic card to perform difficult tasks. This is gonna be the main pc I'll be using for doing homework other than the Alienware desktops at college. Btw rly hope the Surface Pros have dedicated GPU versions rather than integrated GPU, and Surface Laptop Studio is way too expensive for students.
How has your experience been? I'm thinking of replacing my aging workhorse 2-in-1 (lenovo thinkpad X1 tablet gen 2), and looking at the options in that space nowadays (Surface, other tablet-form lenovo), the situation looks dire. They usually only have two USB C ports (I need at least one USB A for my unifying dongle), possibly no 3.5mm jack, and the absolute worst: no micro SD slot.
I'm eyeing a much lower specced Flow Z13 (the one without the dedicated GPU, which lowers the whole price to 900-1k USD). I don't mind at all the performance hit (since I don't really game on my laptop anyway), but I don't know how ASUS' built quality is and how good their pen/stylus is
Are you able to put internet service on it? Or just WiFi?
but...what happens? when i saw this video the asus xg mobile rtx 4090 cost was around 400$ and now is around 1800$ 🙀🙀🙀 😭
Hi, do you think the Asus ROG Flow Z13 could be a good option for 3D modeling /sculpting and for Unreal or Unity? Has anyone tried it?
I installed unreal engine 5 on it and it’s not great. I’d love to say it handles it well and maybe there is a setting im missing. But I’m running the low resource version and still isn’t great. Gaming is great on this. 3D in Blender and Zbrush. I think would also be great. I’d push towards the Surface Laptop Studio 2 if looking in this type of device though.
@@TabletPro Hi, thanks for your answer. Do you think things could improve by using an external graphics card?
@joemanebeard8011 yes for sure. It has a mux switch and is well equipped for N eGpu
2 to 4 hrs battery life during web browsing n office ?
That's correct
Usually displays need to be at least 1000nits brightness to be considered "true" HDR display. This device is only 500nits.
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Hello. I wanted to buy for using Zbrush
I think it’s a good choice for that. Just be aware of possible support issues
Wanted a Surface 9 pro. ROG Z13 instead.
Did you end up getting it ?
@@WiiManElite It's ofcourse frustrating that they removed the ports but as he said you're taking a risk going for Asus. Yes I has a ROG flow Z13, the 2022 version and I can tell you it was stressful to get it repaired cos the Keyboard broke and I have to pay to according to them "get it fixed". The quoted me parts only to just replace the Keyboard. Don't even get me started on basic things that never worked no matter how hard I tried. I tried my best to overlook the shortcoming but I hit my limit at some point. I could never do wireless mirroring to my TV, something a 6 year old Surface could do, my 3.5mm Headset didn't work properly, the fan was almost alway on all the time..... Now using a Surface pro 9, it's not perfect but I don't have to compromise a lot like with the Rog flow z13.
You DEFINITELY need to get yourself a real drawing glove. Ask Brad Colbow. Maybe he'll do his dance for you.
I should ask
I currently have a cut up sock next to me bed. That’s not confusing 🫤
“ buehler…… buehler”
I love how not a single person shows gaming on a GAMING DEVICE. It's like taking about a wifi router and not showing it working. Pretty disappointing review
I have a handful of other videos demoing the gaming performance. I hear what you are saying. I like seeing it also.
Do you think with this tablet I will be able to draw my gf like I draw all my French girls?