[UPDATE - March 1, 2024] - Gaijin is adding a new MiG-23 (the Hungarian MiG-23MF in the Italian tree). It is completely identical to the German MiG-23MF. Refer to that part of the guide for the Hungarian identical copy MiG-23MF.
Fun fact about the fuel tank removed between the M and ML, it wasn’t just center of mass and weight that removed that fucker. It was also because MiG-23M and MF, with over a thousand already produced, had slowly acquired a noticeable and very strange pattern of structural failure in all batches, even as standards and quality control dramatically improved batch to batch. What was that pattern? Well, at high but not exceptionally high airframe hours, which they were reaching fast owing to the MiG-23’s suitability to patrol duties, they would on occasion, without warning, suddenly fold in half mid-flight, ordinarily during gentle maneuvering. Turned out a number of phenomena literally previously unknown in structural engineering worked together alongside new welding techniques and materials in exactly the right way to turn that fuel tank, which was also a major structural member, into a literal nest of microfractures. So they start looking around airframes in service and uh, boss, it turns out the complaint literally every single maintenance crew has in the back of their service logs is that that fuel tank starts sweating fuel like a pig and it’s a pain in the ass at high airframe hours. Meaning that literally every single MiG-23M, MF, and MS in service anywhere in the world was slowly but surely building up to cleaving itself in half mid-flight with no warning Changes were retrofitted to existing MiG-23s to unretard them free of charge but it did make the first gens even heavier. Hence the decision to throw up their hands and design the tank out while working on the ML. There was also an ML derivative that added the tank back, the MiG-23P dedicated interceptor for the PVO
The long story alluded to in the video boils down to the fact the Mig-23 was not designed to fight on its own. As Soviet policymakers in the early and mid-1960s saw it, the interceptor pilot existed to get his missiles airborne, fire them, and then land the plane. He was only one piece in a much larger machine of radars, ground control intercept stations, SAMs, and other aircraft (the Integrated Air Defense System, IADS). He did not need a machine capable of individual heroics; it was a very Soviet way of thinking if you ask me. The Mig-23 as originally designed was never supposed to be operated outside of the IADS. Therefore the early Mig-23 did not have the avionics to grant its pilots an easy way to search for and engage targets that it wasn't vectored to by its IADS (this kept it cheap and simple, which was good for a country with as much airspace to defend as the USSR). It did not have the maneuverability to engage in a dogfight, that was a waste of time when it came to intercepting nuclear-armed fighter-bombers like the F-104 (the primary air threat of the 1960s, in Soviet thought). It did not have adequate short-range missiles, since the idea was to shoot down threats from long range (it turned out the R-23 wasn't an adequate long-range missile either). In the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, the IADS to support the Mig-23 existed, and thankfully it was never tested. In the Middle East and Africa, where the Mig-23 fought the vast majority of its battles, it often did not have the IADS it was designed to operate as a part of. This is partly due to third world poverty, partly due to Soviet bureaucracy being unreliable and duplicitous about what it was actually selling its clients (for example, they'd say they'd delivered one type of radar, but it'd turn out to be a different type the customer country didn't have trained personnel for). When the Syrians and Iraqis managed to build a semblance of an IADS, it was using radars that were obsolete before the Mig-23 even entered service, with incomplete coverage too. Peer foes like Iran exploited this well (at least in the first years of the Iran-Iraq war), first world countries like Israel and the United States could jam these networks into uselessness with their cutting-edge electronic warfare capabilities and then tear them apart with impunity. The result was Mig-23 pilots going into battle with no situational awareness beyond what their eyes could see, in a plane designed to operate with heavy guidance from external systems, and getting picked apart piecemeal by enemy with massively superior EW capabilities, AWACS coordination, and better intelligence gathering. Thus the one-sided air wars of 1982 for the Syrians and 1991 for the Iraqis. Despite all this, they did get a working plane out of it. It was simple enough to keep operable (the Iraqis got their first batch without maintenance manuals, they managed to keep them working anyway), it was rugged enough to survive heavy use from third world infrastructure in sub-optimal conditions, and it was an adaptable platform (the Mig-23BN was highly successful as an attack aircraft, for example). The ML/A/D versions were no slouches in a close fight after all the air frame improvements, the R-60 and R-24 were leagues ahead of the missiles they replaced, and the plane WAS incredibly fast, even at low altitude, and it even had a look-down/shoot-down radar at last. But by the time the Mig-23 was working right, the Mig-29 and Su-27 were entering service. Funnily enough, the Libyans didn't want to upgrade to the Mig-29. They preferred the lower operating costs and fuel efficiency of the Mig-23. Better to have a fighter you can afford to use than one you can't, I suppose. TL;DR: don't buy a plane that's a missile bus if you don't have the whole system its designed to operate within
The whole soviet air doctrine was to give an asymmetrical answer to the strength of us air force, relying on sams rather than on fighters to carry out the most anti-air work. Fighters were there to compliment Sam network, not the other way, thus, they didn't have to be as universal and complex as western ones. As you mentioned, no middle east country ever got a whole anti air system, and fighters, designed to be just a one part of an anti-air system, never got a chance to work at their best
Explains why Vietnam had huge success using Soviet jets. They had a huge array of radars and air defense systems everywhere in their country, hence USAAF could stand no chance to gain total air supremacy when Vietnam basically used hit and run tactics along with Soviet doctrine of Air Defenses
This is why I like the internet. I could learn about Soviet air doctrine while watching a meme guide on a plane I likely won't have while I'm on the toilet
@@sooryan_1018 really when operation linebacker came they nearly destroy the North Vietnamese Air defense by SEAD and bombing of point of interest like bridges and depot.
2 things I think are worth mentioning: 1. There is no need to micromanage the wing sweep, just set it to 0% at takeoff, turn off manual sweep. It will remember that setting. When you need the turning performance and don't care as much about going fast, turn on manual sweep again. For everything else, the automatic wing sweep is perfectly fine. 2. The MiG-23MLs have good high speed acceleration, you can go right past your rip speed. This can be used to your advantage by accelerating to 1300 - 1400 km/h IAS, then climbing so you maintain that IAS. As you're climbing, your true airspeed will keep increasing. On regular maps, I usually reach around 1800km/h at the start of the match by the time I am in missile range, which will usually catch people off guard, allowing for easy R-24R kills. It can also be useful when chasing enemies, as they will not expect a MiG-23 at Mach 1.5. Finally, there is just something special about reaching Mach 2 in a live game on an EC map when returning to base. Just watch your fuel, and don't forget that you will easily overspeed your wings if you enter a dive for any reason at that speed, even without afterburner.
Wow, this was an amazing guide! The editing was mind boggling in some parts, I got some weird looks for bursting out in laughter, and hopefully this blows your gambling video out of the water with viewcount
I love this so much because i know somebody who bomb his way to top tier with the bn and skip literally all the early cold war fighter until the Mig-29 and even then he bomb with it and completely skip over the Mig-23MLA because he thinks it's just a bn but at a higher br, so any sort of making fun against those type of players make me laugh so muc
Re: Gaijin multiplying limits by 1.5? Standard practice in at least civilian aircraft design is to assume all materials are 1.5 times weaker than they really are, so it kind of balances out.
The beginning is so cursed with that flipped MiG-23 and one absolutely R O T A T I N G And especially that F-14B having collision models with the other MiGs
This video made me try the MiG-23MLD again after not touching it since they added the MiG-29 (aproximately 3000 top tier Air RB matches since) And you're damn right, it still kicks, it kicks so hard, harder than the MiG-23MLD section in this video. I love it.
For some reason, I don't really do good in it. In every other jet, I manage to have a good time, but in the MLD I just keep dying. Now that they nerfed it, I guess I'll just spade it and never touch it again.
This is good fucking content. I’ve never actually seen a video break down the wing differences and use an amazing feature called VISUAL representation of the differences as well as side-by-side comparisons, showing the vortex generators and slats, something people on Google and 90% of other TH-camrs are entirely allergic to. Needless to say I suscribed
The fact that the soviets have somehow managed to figure out target handoff with their level of electronics sophistication (or rather lack thereof) in the 70s, while it only became a common thing in western fighters in the 2000s is mindboggling to me.
Everyone dropped the MiG-23MF after literally a week, and so I took it upon myself to spade it. First jet I ever spaded up to that point then the Tornado IDS because both are high favorites imo. It's such a powerhouse if you know what you're doing.
Not only did i already love soviet 3rd-4th gen aircraft, now you made that love bigger. I cannot contain myself anymore and i'll buy the Mig-23ML for my birthday. Good job! (Also you cooked WAY too hard with the Mig-23MLD Section, i've never been so hyped for a plane edit.)
I absolutely love my MiG 23 MLA, its always soo entertaining to see those self called Mavericks with top gun syndrome cry in chat because they just got missiled by a "inferior" plane
as a mig 23ML buyer I gotta say it made the grind from 10.3 to 12.7 infinitely easier. Its an amazing air craft with good missiles and good preformance
Great video! Btw have you considered making a video on the T-2? I find it the most fun when you take the rocket Zuni pods and use it for head-on / flare off missiles.
Would also like to mention that the AOA limits on MiG-23s is actually primarily because of their autopilots. MiG-23 was designed before certain phenomena in aerodynamics were understood and like every other fighter that tried to pull something aerodynamically clever in the third gen, especially the F-4 and F-14, this meant insanely unpredictable stall/spin/wing drop characteristics that would jump you with unpredictable bullshit and sudden unrecoverable spins out of fucking nowhere, because the SAS didn’t include an understanding of phenomena that no one knew about. The MiG-23 being such a long boi, for instance, made inertial coupling fuckery a real bitch. Because of this, a huge amount of the AOA stability changes were actually completely unrelated to structure or shape, and were literally just updated flight control systems and SAS making it actually possible for a human to achieve the AOA value without a million billion years of practice and thirty airframes to throw away while figuring it out. The ML’s version of SAU/23 is probably the most underappreciated reason it was so dramatically better than the M
What the f... did i watch here😂😂😂 I never heard of your channel but after watching this masterpiece of a video(and being a mig 23 enjoyer) im gonna subscribe IMMEDIATLY❤
The mig23 ml/mla/mld got their fm’s and radars nerfed so hard I just don’t think it’s worth it anymore other then the mld since it’s still somewhat good at dogfighting and it still has the spo15 rwr so it can be chill in the uptier but i am grinding Germany and im thinking if I want to crew the mig23mla so should I crew it now or nah(idc if i have the ml and mld im just tryna get some German aircraft to help grind)
Finally some MiG-27 love. I absolutely LOVE that plane and with the BR changes it makes it even more fun to fly. People talk about the GAU-8 until I school them on who the real daddy is. The GsH-6-30. Fav gun ever. Dismantling wallet warrior F-5s and F-4s has never been better. Severely slept on plane in ARB but kinda like it that way lol. Also Area 88 edit flawless
My experience with the MiG-23M was that the flares basically never worked. They would just fly out of the seeker’s fov and do nothing for you if you used them mid turn.
"Who even reads the description under a video anyways? You must be really bored." Says the guy who doesn't put the music they used in the video in the description.
Crazy how you only have 5K despite putting noticeable effort into your videos unlike the 90% of WT YTs who basically just make the same MLG montage over and over again with different vehicles.
Fun fact mig 23 is the only plane i know with 0 rp for some modifications , when you have researched r23r/r24r, r23t/24t are 0 rp so you got them instantly
The mig23 MLD became one of fav top tier jet with the mirage 2000 because it fits my aggressive playstyle. Also you forgot to talk about the really good advantage of it's radar which is J band frequency afaik some top tier jets RWR can't detect it so they only realize I fired a R24 at them once they get sent to the hangar
that is indeed a correct camofluage. The aircraft is MiG-23MF #3646 of the Czechoslovak air force. That exact plane is preserved in a museum today afaik, with many pictures of it on the internet.
@@TheGuyfromValhalla If you mean the fly by at 28:31, thats because this is the secondary (frontline) airfield. On some maps, teams get a second airfield thats closer to the center. This airfield is closer for faster re-arming, but it lacks ANY kind of air defence, making you a free kill if there is still enemies chasing you.
Casual or competitive 4v4, air spawn, fighters only, 5 rounds. A round is won by destroying EVERY enemy aircraft. No respawns. First team to 3 victories wins. A missile limit mode is available to BR12+ aircraft, limiting missiles to 50% of total payload. E.g. F15 can carry only 2 AIM7s and only 2 AIM9s. This could change for balancing purposes, just an idea. Each game will give you rank. There is also a casual mode, with random matchmaker.
If it goes back to 50, you need tot weak the axis settings a bit. I recommend enabling the "Keep value for disabled axis" and "relative control" features when setting wing sweep keybind. As for modes, those depend on planes. More advanced planes (F-14, MiG-23, etc.) Will have a "auto" and "semi-auto", while older planes like the Su-17 will have the less advanced "Auto" and "manual" options.
18:29 I'm sorry okay. I suck with the stock R-13 so its base bombing for me till I get something fancier which is funny since I am an Aviator in real life lol.
Gambling bideo rn be like: Look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power. Anyways nice video. MiG-23MLDonussy so hard I slapped a talisman when I needed something to grind rank 8
People tend to forget how hard US mains wept after they faced the MLD for the first time- undeniably the most potent and dominating aircraft in War Thunder before the 4th gens
[UPDATE - March 1, 2024] - Gaijin is adding a new MiG-23 (the Hungarian MiG-23MF in the Italian tree). It is completely identical to the German MiG-23MF. Refer to that part of the guide for the Hungarian identical copy MiG-23MF.
Ya saw that I want my MiG 25 at least a 31
Donut, they nerfed all of the MiG23 Flight models...
Fun fact about the fuel tank removed between the M and ML, it wasn’t just center of mass and weight that removed that fucker. It was also because MiG-23M and MF, with over a thousand already produced, had slowly acquired a noticeable and very strange pattern of structural failure in all batches, even as standards and quality control dramatically improved batch to batch.
What was that pattern?
Well, at high but not exceptionally high airframe hours, which they were reaching fast owing to the MiG-23’s suitability to patrol duties, they would on occasion, without warning, suddenly fold in half mid-flight, ordinarily during gentle maneuvering. Turned out a number of phenomena literally previously unknown in structural engineering worked together alongside new welding techniques and materials in exactly the right way to turn that fuel tank, which was also a major structural member, into a literal nest of microfractures.
So they start looking around airframes in service and uh, boss, it turns out the complaint literally every single maintenance crew has in the back of their service logs is that that fuel tank starts sweating fuel like a pig and it’s a pain in the ass at high airframe hours. Meaning that literally every single MiG-23M, MF, and MS in service anywhere in the world was slowly but surely building up to cleaving itself in half mid-flight with no warning
Changes were retrofitted to existing MiG-23s to unretard them free of charge but it did make the first gens even heavier. Hence the decision to throw up their hands and design the tank out while working on the ML. There was also an ML derivative that added the tank back, the MiG-23P dedicated interceptor for the PVO
"unretard them" lmao
The long story alluded to in the video boils down to the fact the Mig-23 was not designed to fight on its own. As Soviet policymakers in the early and mid-1960s saw it, the interceptor pilot existed to get his missiles airborne, fire them, and then land the plane. He was only one piece in a much larger machine of radars, ground control intercept stations, SAMs, and other aircraft (the Integrated Air Defense System, IADS). He did not need a machine capable of individual heroics; it was a very Soviet way of thinking if you ask me. The Mig-23 as originally designed was never supposed to be operated outside of the IADS. Therefore the early Mig-23 did not have the avionics to grant its pilots an easy way to search for and engage targets that it wasn't vectored to by its IADS (this kept it cheap and simple, which was good for a country with as much airspace to defend as the USSR). It did not have the maneuverability to engage in a dogfight, that was a waste of time when it came to intercepting nuclear-armed fighter-bombers like the F-104 (the primary air threat of the 1960s, in Soviet thought). It did not have adequate short-range missiles, since the idea was to shoot down threats from long range (it turned out the R-23 wasn't an adequate long-range missile either).
In the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, the IADS to support the Mig-23 existed, and thankfully it was never tested. In the Middle East and Africa, where the Mig-23 fought the vast majority of its battles, it often did not have the IADS it was designed to operate as a part of. This is partly due to third world poverty, partly due to Soviet bureaucracy being unreliable and duplicitous about what it was actually selling its clients (for example, they'd say they'd delivered one type of radar, but it'd turn out to be a different type the customer country didn't have trained personnel for). When the Syrians and Iraqis managed to build a semblance of an IADS, it was using radars that were obsolete before the Mig-23 even entered service, with incomplete coverage too. Peer foes like Iran exploited this well (at least in the first years of the Iran-Iraq war), first world countries like Israel and the United States could jam these networks into uselessness with their cutting-edge electronic warfare capabilities and then tear them apart with impunity. The result was Mig-23 pilots going into battle with no situational awareness beyond what their eyes could see, in a plane designed to operate with heavy guidance from external systems, and getting picked apart piecemeal by enemy with massively superior EW capabilities, AWACS coordination, and better intelligence gathering. Thus the one-sided air wars of 1982 for the Syrians and 1991 for the Iraqis.
Despite all this, they did get a working plane out of it. It was simple enough to keep operable (the Iraqis got their first batch without maintenance manuals, they managed to keep them working anyway), it was rugged enough to survive heavy use from third world infrastructure in sub-optimal conditions, and it was an adaptable platform (the Mig-23BN was highly successful as an attack aircraft, for example). The ML/A/D versions were no slouches in a close fight after all the air frame improvements, the R-60 and R-24 were leagues ahead of the missiles they replaced, and the plane WAS incredibly fast, even at low altitude, and it even had a look-down/shoot-down radar at last. But by the time the Mig-23 was working right, the Mig-29 and Su-27 were entering service. Funnily enough, the Libyans didn't want to upgrade to the Mig-29. They preferred the lower operating costs and fuel efficiency of the Mig-23. Better to have a fighter you can afford to use than one you can't, I suppose.
TL;DR: don't buy a plane that's a missile bus if you don't have the whole system its designed to operate within
The whole soviet air doctrine was to give an asymmetrical answer to the strength of us air force, relying on sams rather than on fighters to carry out the most anti-air work.
Fighters were there to compliment Sam network, not the other way, thus, they didn't have to be as universal and complex as western ones.
As you mentioned, no middle east country ever got a whole anti air system, and fighters, designed to be just a one part of an anti-air system, never got a chance to work at their best
Explains why Vietnam had huge success using Soviet jets. They had a huge array of radars and air defense systems everywhere in their country, hence USAAF could stand no chance to gain total air supremacy when Vietnam basically used hit and run tactics along with Soviet doctrine of Air Defenses
Damn that is a long and informative essay
This is why I like the internet. I could learn about Soviet air doctrine while watching a meme guide on a plane I likely won't have while I'm on the toilet
@@sooryan_1018 really when operation linebacker came they nearly destroy the North Vietnamese Air defense by SEAD and bombing of point of interest like bridges and depot.
2 things I think are worth mentioning:
1. There is no need to micromanage the wing sweep, just set it to 0% at takeoff, turn off manual sweep. It will remember that setting. When you need the turning performance and don't care as much about going fast, turn on manual sweep again. For everything else, the automatic wing sweep is perfectly fine.
2. The MiG-23MLs have good high speed acceleration, you can go right past your rip speed. This can be used to your advantage by accelerating to 1300 - 1400 km/h IAS, then climbing so you maintain that IAS. As you're climbing, your true airspeed will keep increasing. On regular maps, I usually reach around 1800km/h at the start of the match by the time I am in missile range, which will usually catch people off guard, allowing for easy R-24R kills. It can also be useful when chasing enemies, as they will not expect a MiG-23 at Mach 1.5. Finally, there is just something special about reaching Mach 2 in a live game on an EC map when returning to base. Just watch your fuel, and don't forget that you will easily overspeed your wings if you enter a dive for any reason at that speed, even without afterburner.
not expecting soviet aircraft to go 1,5 mach+ in initial engagement seems otherworldly to me, dcs player
I love the part where he said “It’s floggin’ time” and flogged all over the place
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite War Thudner series, keep up the great work :)
no way freezed
Cooking this hard should be illegal
Wow, this was an amazing guide! The editing was mind boggling in some parts, I got some weird looks for bursting out in laughter, and hopefully this blows your gambling video out of the water with viewcount
thanks, its comments like this that make the months of editing worth it
@@DonutWithMustache no problem mate
nah the cock sucking is wild!!!!
@@DonutWithMustachedo the f89b its the f104 but better
I love this so much because i know somebody who bomb his way to top tier with the bn and skip literally all the early cold war fighter until the Mig-29 and even then he bomb with it and completely skip over the Mig-23MLA because he thinks it's just a bn but at a higher br, so any sort of making fun against those type of players make me laugh so muc
DONUT 🍩 UP ⬆️ LOAF 🍞
no way loudward
@@battlefox7614 no way
@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 no way
@@battlefox7614 no way
@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 Jimmy no way
Ayo, that ultrakill bit went hard as FUCK
Bro where are this guys subs? Only 5k. This video alone should generate 5k.
This editing sooo god
Post nerf: "Look how they massacrated my boy"
Re: Gaijin multiplying limits by 1.5?
Standard practice in at least civilian aircraft design is to assume all materials are 1.5 times weaker than they really are, so it kind of balances out.
Flying the flogger is a art form of pure hatred and disrespect of any non flogger air frame in the sky
Full throttle, ab on, 0 sweep, full back on stick. YOu will briefly utturn a Sopwith Camel before ripping your wings off.
Just unlocked the mld and you get the 23 and 24T for free after unlocking the R variants btw. Great guide as always
The beginning is so cursed with that flipped MiG-23 and one absolutely
R O T A T I N G
And especially that F-14B having collision models with the other MiGs
the War Thunder CDK mission editor is a pathway to many abilities... that some may consider un-natural...
@@DonutWithMustache yes lmfao
This video made me try the MiG-23MLD again after not touching it since they added the MiG-29 (aproximately 3000 top tier Air RB matches since)
And you're damn right, it still kicks, it kicks so hard, harder than the MiG-23MLD section in this video. I love it.
For some reason, I don't really do good in it. In every other jet, I manage to have a good time, but in the MLD I just keep dying. Now that they nerfed it, I guess I'll just spade it and never touch it again.
This is good fucking content. I’ve never actually seen a video break down the wing differences and use an amazing feature called VISUAL representation of the differences as well as side-by-side comparisons, showing the vortex generators and slats, something people on Google and 90% of other TH-camrs are entirely allergic to. Needless to say I suscribed
The fact that the soviets have somehow managed to figure out target handoff with their level of electronics sophistication (or rather lack thereof) in the 70s, while it only became a common thing in western fighters in the 2000s is mindboggling to me.
Everyone dropped the MiG-23MF after literally a week, and so I took it upon myself to spade it. First jet I ever spaded up to that point then the Tornado IDS because both are high favorites imo. It's such a powerhouse if you know what you're doing.
Dude those jujutsu kaisen reference were awesome lmao na I'D win but gojo does die 💀
MLD seconds before being killed by a -slice- 9M that bisects the world.
I have no idea why, it shouldn't be that funny, but that F-14 trolling through the MIGs in the very beginning fucking sent me.
Not only did i already love soviet 3rd-4th gen aircraft, now you made that love bigger. I cannot contain myself anymore and i'll buy the Mig-23ML for my birthday. Good job! (Also you cooked WAY too hard with the Mig-23MLD Section, i've never been so hyped for a plane edit.)
dude the MLD edit made me want to get that plane asap
MiG21s were absolutely rough runway capable. You can see video of them operating from farm fields in Hungary on excersize.
I absolutely love my MiG 23 MLA, its always soo entertaining to see those self called Mavericks with top gun syndrome cry in chat because they just got missiled by a "inferior" plane
Legit one of my fav vids on TH-cam. Thank you.
actually the most underrated youtube channel i've ever seen
1:44
Well, thats some very nostalgic music. Moon Palace, Drift City. God I miss that game.
There is a free playable community-run version today, called Drift City Remastered
Thank you, thank you so much donut, yes thank you, this might just be what I need to watch
Love your videos, hope your channel blows up 💯❤
I watched your F104 vid before this and both had me ROLLING! 😂 Liked and Subscribed.
😏 Also, I see you're a man of culture, Love the editing!
this is insanely great editing. needs more subs
as a mig 23ML buyer I gotta say it made the grind from 10.3 to 12.7 infinitely easier. Its an amazing air craft with good missiles and good preformance
Bros who remember the grand turismo PS2 song
Yes !
Great video! Btw have you considered making a video on the T-2? I find it the most fun when you take the rocket Zuni pods and use it for head-on / flare off missiles.
It's beautiful. I've looked at this for 5 hours now
I love how you said
"And tier 8 soon to follow". really predicted the future, mr. Gabr- ehr i mean mr. Donut
Would also like to mention that the AOA limits on MiG-23s is actually primarily because of their autopilots. MiG-23 was designed before certain phenomena in aerodynamics were understood and like every other fighter that tried to pull something aerodynamically clever in the third gen, especially the F-4 and F-14, this meant insanely unpredictable stall/spin/wing drop characteristics that would jump you with unpredictable bullshit and sudden unrecoverable spins out of fucking nowhere, because the SAS didn’t include an understanding of phenomena that no one knew about. The MiG-23 being such a long boi, for instance, made inertial coupling fuckery a real bitch.
Because of this, a huge amount of the AOA stability changes were actually completely unrelated to structure or shape, and were literally just updated flight control systems and SAS making it actually possible for a human to achieve the AOA value without a million billion years of practice and thirty airframes to throw away while figuring it out. The ML’s version of SAU/23 is probably the most underappreciated reason it was so dramatically better than the M
What the f... did i watch here😂😂😂
I never heard of your channel but after watching this masterpiece of a video(and being a mig 23 enjoyer) im gonna subscribe IMMEDIATLY❤
The mig23 ml/mla/mld got their fm’s and radars nerfed so hard I just don’t think it’s worth it anymore other then the mld since it’s still somewhat good at dogfighting and it still has the spo15 rwr so it can be chill in the uptier but i am grinding Germany and im thinking if I want to crew the mig23mla so should I crew it now or nah(idc if i have the ml and mld im just tryna get some German aircraft to help grind)
Drift City OST? Damn, i see you're man of culture as well.
Finally some MiG-27 love. I absolutely LOVE that plane and with the BR changes it makes it even more fun to fly. People talk about the GAU-8 until I school them on who the real daddy is. The GsH-6-30. Fav gun ever. Dismantling wallet warrior F-5s and F-4s has never been better. Severely slept on plane in ARB but kinda like it that way lol. Also Area 88 edit flawless
I love to hear you talk more about the real life planes and the history of them, even if it makes the video longer.
Would be great to get Mig-23P superior BVR interceptor. Maybe a Squadron vehicle
cant wait for a guide on KA52, how to play keybind and how to kill
man turned the mld into gojo and i’m here for it
does anybody know how can i make the sweep fully controlled instead of semi and how can i make the sweep dont go to original place?
,
19:19 what song
The Death Of God's Will - Heaven Pierce Her
My experience with the MiG-23M was that the flares basically never worked. They would just fly out of the seeker’s fov and do nothing for you if you used them mid turn.
mom wake up the meme guy uploaded another video
31:58 i got a cs2 knife and sold it so i thought i could get a boost for the tech tree
the ULTRAKILL ost slaps hard
No way he went full lobotomy kaisen with the mld segment
cant wait for that whole video to be outdated next big patch since they are *fixing* the mig23 flight model to be more historically accurate
29:49 whats the anime btw?
Area 88
@@DonutWithMustache thanks.
That MLD edit almost convinced me it was better than the J7E, almost. Also Mig21 video plz (I want to see you suffer with the 10,000 variants)
13:42 IS THAT A FUCKING ULTRAKILL REFERENCE?!
Just found out that the mig-23ml got a balistic Computer for some reason in the storm warning update
Just from this video alone, I have fallen in love.
Fun fact: mig-27 gun was its his biggest threat in battle since it made the whole plane to low key crumble
And often r23t are better than r23r cuz 23r got a huge delay allmost same as aim7d/e
Most of combat records put 23BN ground attacker with fighter variants under same MiG23 K/D. Thats how it got so bad.
i came to watch a wt video, got gran turismo'd instantly with the music lmao
"Who even reads the description under a video anyways? You must be really bored."
Says the guy who doesn't put the music they used in the video in the description.
Just ask in the comments and in more than happy to tell you.
@@DonutWithMustache Now I'm gonna ratio myself. Also what music did you use?
- Intro: Soviet march from Command and Conquer - red alert 3 soundtrack
- History section: Moon Palace Track 1 - Drift City Soundtrack
- flogger basics: GT Mode track 2 - Gran Turismo 4 OST
- First gen floggers: Magic Spear 1&2 Mix - Ace Combat 7 OST
- Second gen floggers: Dune Eternal - Ultrakill OST
- MiG-23MLD intro - Bach 369 "Fallen Angel" - Ultrakill OST
- MiG-23MLD montage - "Death of Gods will" - Ultrakill OST
- MiG-23MLD second montage - Smell of the Game - Guilty Gear Strive OST
- Ground attackers section - "Power and Speed" - Gran Turismo 4 OST
- Modifications section - "05 Frontline Base" - Area 88/UN Squadron (SNES) OST
- Outro - "Landyishi" - Atomic Thunder OST (War Thunder x Atomic Heart event)
@@DonutWithMustache I just now got the notification.
Thanks. I'll look trough the music now I guess.
you made me want the MiG-23MLD so hard now
6:13 take a shot each time he says radar
My mom hasn’t ever bought me a WT plane but I still love my mom. She’s the best.
Ultrakill music over WT gameplay is an unholy combination
that Gabriel reference is peak
Those were some clean transitions 🔥
Now we need a mig21 or f4 family guide
I love your videos, and I can't wait for more
Crazy how you only have 5K despite putting noticeable effort into your videos unlike the 90% of WT YTs who basically just make the same MLG montage over and over again with different vehicles.
Fun fact mig 23 is the only plane i know with 0 rp for some modifications , when you have researched r23r/r24r, r23t/24t are 0 rp so you got them instantly
The mig23 MLD became one of fav top tier jet with the mirage 2000 because it fits my aggressive playstyle.
Also you forgot to talk about the really good advantage of it's radar which is J band frequency afaik some top tier jets RWR can't detect it so they only realize I fired a R24 at them once they get sent to the hangar
ingame modell of the Mig-23BN has actually type 2 wing
1:47 the emblem on the rudder suggests its Czechoslovak MIG-23. The "shark mouth" is correct, the rest of the "camouflage" not so much.
that is indeed a correct camofluage. The aircraft is MiG-23MF #3646 of the Czechoslovak air force. That exact plane is preserved in a museum today afaik, with many pictures of it on the internet.
Whata up with no aa over the airfield when yoh fly over it? The second try that i have to fly low as hell so i dont get popped
i was too far for them to shoot me. The Roland SAMs only fire within 7.5km, and the VEAK gun AA only fires within 4km
@@DonutWithMustache oh crap good to know, thanks!
@@DonutWithMustache didn't see one for the fly by though
@@TheGuyfromValhalla If you mean the fly by at 28:31, thats because this is the secondary (frontline) airfield. On some maps, teams get a second airfield thats closer to the center. This airfield is closer for faster re-arming, but it lacks ANY kind of air defence, making you a free kill if there is still enemies chasing you.
@@DonutWithMustache ah I see
jujutsu kaisen war thunder and guilty gear in one video, this is a masterpiece
Should note, I believe the Syrians were allowed to buy a few new production MLDs, so not exactly non-export.
Fan fact i use this video to sleep
That red paint scheme is choice.
That intro killed me 😂
Am I watching youtube or a FUCKING MOVIE?
I'd love to see your guide to the Starfighter family, the German F-104G has been my go-to grinder for a while.
Stay tuned 👀
god i love this channel
Casual or competitive 4v4, air spawn, fighters only, 5 rounds. A round is won by destroying EVERY enemy aircraft. No respawns. First team to 3 victories wins. A missile limit mode is available to BR12+ aircraft, limiting missiles to 50% of total payload. E.g. F15 can carry only 2 AIM7s and only 2 AIM9s. This could change for balancing purposes, just an idea. Each game will give you rank. There is also a casual mode, with random matchmaker.
here post mig23 nerf, sad about what they did to my babies
This guy didn’t hold back when memjng this video.
when i try to manually control my wing sweep it automatically goes back to 50% and ive only got acces to auto and semi-auto mode. Is this normal?
If it goes back to 50, you need tot weak the axis settings a bit. I recommend enabling the "Keep value for disabled axis" and "relative control" features when setting wing sweep keybind.
As for modes, those depend on planes. More advanced planes (F-14, MiG-23, etc.) Will have a "auto" and "semi-auto", while older planes like the Su-17 will have the less advanced "Auto" and "manual" options.
thanks alot, the problem was the relative control bind, didnt think you'd respond!@@DonutWithMustache
18:29 I'm sorry okay. I suck with the stock R-13 so its base bombing for me till I get something fancier which is funny since I am an Aviator in real life lol.
What is the song used in the outro? It's sick
Landyishi - Atomic Thunder OST (war thunder x Atomic Heart event)
@@DonutWithMustache thank you 🙏
Gambling bideo rn be like: Look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power.
Anyways nice video. MiG-23MLDonussy so hard I slapped a talisman when I needed something to grind rank 8
People tend to forget how hard US mains wept after they faced the MLD for the first time- undeniably the most potent and dominating aircraft in War Thunder before the 4th gens
The MLD is without question a 4th gen. It has relyable BVR capability, its supermanouverable, it can supercruise, and its robustly multirole.
Its like clubbing baby seals
TLDR about its IRL performance. Cheap aircraft given to poor countries. These countries bought them and cheaped out on maintenance and pilot training.
A fucking jjk reference and ultrakill reference, bravo i say, bravo
F4 phantom next?
The phantom is one of the choices in the vote on our discord for the next episode. I'll definitely cover it someday even if it doesnt win