Grindelwald Was NEVER Master of the Elder Wand | Harry Potter Film Theory
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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to discuss the path of The Elder Wand.. or perhaps lack there of - to prove that Grindelwald was never a master and WHY Dumbledore and Harry were!
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I absolutely love that Mads Mikkelsen has now played characters in Star Wars, James Bond, Harry Potter, Indiana Jones and the MCU. Put him in a Batman movie and the circle is complete. He'd make a good Ra's Al Ghul.
In my opinion I think he’d make a great Mr freeze
@@fishybrickfilmsI agree with that
@@fishybrickfilmsHe'd be a perfect Mr.Freeze now you mention it.
Mads would make a good wormtongue in LotR and a good Hades in Percy Jackson. He would also make a kickass spock.
What did he play in star wars?
I've been saying this after a lot of your master of the elder wand videos. I've always thought that the wands true master from the beginning through even grindlewald was death, so only a master of death could be its new master. And I don't think it matters at what point you get the hallows. Dumbledore and Harry are the only two people who ever had all 3 hallows in their possession at some point.
I think the elder wand is sort of like a real estate license; You have to keep it on your person at all times.
Dude,
Yes.
I feel like Dumbledore repaired Hagrids wand and then transfigured it into an umbrella so nobody would know
Thanks! I was always wondering about this and your explanation is very helpful
It's more like the mended wand was placed inside the umbrella rather than the umbrella being the wand itself.
@@kielsonelnikos8589 I just think it would be odd to finagle fitting a wand inside of an umbrella when Dumbledore not only has the elder wand but he is also a world class expert on transfiguration. Just seems to fit best with his character.
On a rainy day Hagrid forgets about the wand and opens his umbrella and the wand falls on his head. 😂
I’d never even thought about the whole Death Eaters’ wands thing before. The only thing I can come up with is that because wands keep a record of what spells they’ve used, the ministry kept them for bookkeeping since it’s already a pre-made filing system
In my head cannon Death was the original master of the elder wand. That’s why most people who use it end up dead: it’s still serving it’s true master. When Harry dies in the forest and comes back to life he is the first person to actually conquer death. (Voldemort didn’t technically die in Godric’s Hollow) I also believe the Dumbledore replaced Hagrid’s wand instead of fixing it. It just had to be disguised since he wasn’t allowed to practice magic. Or Dumbledore could have given Hagrid a similar wand to the one he gave Jacob.
Death was always the true owner! The first brother didn't win the wand from death, therefore he was never the true master, it was still obedient to Death. When Harry accepts death in the Forbidden Forest he conquers death, becoming the master of death and therefore the master of the elder wand
you take beatle the bard tales way too seriously. 100% the Peverell brothers created the hollows. def no figure like death was involved
I think most people are misunderstanding what it means to "conquer death." Not dying is not the same as winning against death, it is a retreat, it is running from death. I think the true way to conquer death is to not fear it and accept it, the willingness to allow death to take you when your time comes. In this sense both Dumbledore and Harry were prepared to die and thus became eligible master's of the elder wand. In other words as long as you fear death you cannot truly conquer it.
In the books Olivander starts discussing Hagrids wand and how it has been snapped. When Hagrid explains he keeps the pieces of the want he begins to grip the umbrella tighter
@@raziel710 you have to great death like an old friend
Couldn't agree more with this theory - there's actually another dumbledore line that backs this up too in the King's Cross scene I think, where he says - "I was fit only to possess the meanest of them, the least extraordinary. I was fit to own the Elder Wand, and not to boast of it, and not to kill with it. I was permitted to tame and to use it, because I took it, not for gain, but to save others from it.” This suggests dumbledore had also worked out that the hallows work this way.
Too bad we already know that the elder wand has a core of Thestral tail hair. A Qilin hair core would make sense as it is able to perceived someone to be worthy.
I love this alternate reality so much.
The Thestral is a creature aligned/associated with death though, and Thestrals themselves are a conditional creature, meaning for judging somebody as conquering death it would make more sense than a qilin.
What if Snape was actually nice to Harry and friends? (Barth Crouch Sr survives? Harry masters potions and OCCLUMENCY?)
That would be so cool
If Harry had Lily’s face and James’ eyes instead perhaps 😂
A very intriguing idea!
I've been wondering about a What If, too. Since listening to the new podcast and the part about the car crash, I've been wondering how the Dursleys would've treated Harry if his magic had saved their lives at some point. Would it have changed? Or gotten worse?
@@Zachfive Nothing much would change. If anything he would hate Harry more
@@carolinpetersen6894 i think it depends a on what the danger was that harry was saving them from. i think Vernon particularly would look for any possible way to twist it to Harry putting them in danger, which is what happens at the start of OotP
if the Dursleys got themselves in danger completely on their own, would Harry really risk expulsion/arrest/being locked in his room again by doing magic to save them?
The Elder Wand's allegiance is said to favor a wizard who's conquered death. But what does that mean?
"The last enemy that shall be conquered is death" is a central theme. For Voldemort and the Death Eaters, it's about defying death, aiming for immortality out of fear. But Harry and Dumbledore see it differently. They believe in accepting death, greeting it "as an old friend". This can tied to the quote in a convo between them, "It was, he thought, the difference between being dragged into the arena to face a battle to the death and walking into the arena with your head held high."
Harry's experience with the Deathly Hallows makes him the "Master of Death." It's not about fearing death but accepting it. Voldemort's fear, on the other hand, meant he could never truly command the Elder Wand. -> This would also explain why dark wizards keep losing it. For they are great in power, but they would never be able to unlock its "unbeatable" proponent.
In short, the Elder Wand values wisdom over strength. It's not about defying death but embracing it, and that's the true key to its power.
That way it also makes Hermione right in saying that its about the wizard far more than the wand. And we all know Hermione is always right in the end.
I have always been under the assumption that Draco's wand didn't signal to the wand, but that in the final duel the Elder Wand locked horns with the wand that had already disarmed its owner, and shifted allegiances to the same wizard said wand currently held
agreed. it figured out, that harry beat draco somehow, since he had his wand.
Regarding the "Harry becomes the master of the Elder Wand by taking Draco's wand" thing, J.K. has actually explained it already:
_"Arthur_ (J.K.'s American editor) _said, God, that's the moment when the ownership of the Elder wand is actually transferred? And I said, that's right. He said, shouldn't that be a bit more dramatic? And I said, no, not at all, the reverse._
_I said to Arthur, I think it really puts the elaborate, grandiose plans of Dumbledore and Voldemort in their place. That actually the history of the wizarding world hinged on two teenage boys wrestling with each other. They weren't even using magic. It became an ugly little corner tussle for the possession of wands._
_And I really liked that - that very human moment, as opposed to these two wizards who were twitching strings and manipulating and implanting information and husbanding information and guarding information, you know? Ultimately it just came down to that, a little scuffle and fistfight in the corner and pulling a wand away."_
_"The secret of the elder wand is that it's more sentient than any other. It can identify the caster of any spell that touches it and keeps tally of which wizard has beaten which, giving its allegiance to the one it judges the victor. Physical possession is irrelevant."_
Draco _was_ the master of the Elder Wand.
thanks for posting this i’ve never seen it but it makes me like the way it happened a lot more
@@JahanMisrapeeps forget some past owners didnt lose a duel but were assassinated in their sleep
But what about Dumbledore's portrait confirming Harry's supposition that dying without being bested would end the wand's power? If the wand doesn't need a master, then Harry dying wouldn't end the power of the Elder Wand, it would just wait for someone else to be worthy.
That's still just Dumbledore guessing, he could easily be wrong about that.
I still believe there is no master or that Death is the master of the Elder wand still. It was all a trick in the first place. The first ever and only master of the wand was the first brother in the legend, he was stabbed and killed in his sleep. There was never a magical duel, from then on there were no more master of the elder wand because Death claimed the first brother therefore making Death the master of the elder wand. All 3 deathly hollows works for Death. The only reason Harry was able to use all 3 against Voldemort was because Voldemort was cheating Death. The only reason why Harry became the master was because he was the only one to confront and defeat "Death".
Harry's not defending himself in the forest made "all the difference" because it's exactly what Harry's mother had done. Voldemort offered to let her live if she stood aside, but she defiantly stood before him, completely unarmed, and forced him to kill her to get to Harry. Harry even explains this to "Riddle" as they had their final duel in the Great Hall, pointing out that Voldemort's spells were not binding on the people in Hogwarts after Harry's death.
I always believed that wands almost had souls and they connect with their owner. This in my head explains how the wand changes its master. If the master gives up hope or shows weakness it changes allegiance hence why the wand chooses the wizard.
This makes so much sense. The lore around the deathly hallows is thick, so it makes sense that the object really exists but doesn't work quite the way it was supposed to according to legend.
Seamus spell igniting Opoenheimers nuclear bomb absolutely killed me 😂😂😂
Personally, I believe that It's a family heirloom. That's why it works for Harry and Dumbledore. Like the cloak and the stone, which also both worked for Harry perfectly, because he's a descendant of the 3 Brothers. Only a descendant can be its true master. Stories have a weird way of gaining extra bits here and there upon centuries of retelling, and both Dumbledore and Voldy believed in the legend more than a kid who grew up in a more modern time would've. The answer is in the difference between how Ron and Hermione react to the tales.
First off Voldemort is a decent of the three brothers, and dumbledore is not, so unfortunately your theory is wrong.
Another thing that separate both Dumbledore and Harry to others is the way they both didn't fear death.
I have a question about the clip where Ron tries to transform Scabers into a goblet. My question/theory is did the magic not work because of Ron’s broken wand or because Scabers was already transformed from Peter Petigrew. Because transforming a rat and transforming a human are two very different things.
I wonder if the Elder Wand is like the Quilin. It needs to look at the purity of the caster. The reason it gets passed along so often is that it none of its “masters” truly mastered it. Dumbledore’s able to keep it for so long because he is pure of soul. Then it goes to Harry because he is also pure.
Edit: I should watch the full video before spewing thoughts. Lol
Off of this, what if the elder wand has dual cores and one of them is Quilin fur
@@LordDezro that would be really cool! I wonder if dual core means more power.
@@hufflepomis it even possible for there to be more than 1 core?
@@KoniXyz I am not sure. Maybe we are mistaken about the Elder Wand’s core and that it isn’t actually Thestral.
@@KoniXyz I don't think so, but with the elder wand being what it is, it could be the only wand with two, or people could have mistaken what the core is due to how old the wand is
Technically speaking,a wizard can force their magic through anything,a wand is just significantly better (presumably because of the magical cores). A broke wand inside an umbrella might make the umbrella slightly more magical than a regular umbrella so it would be a tad easier to use magic with. Although,in that case,Harry should still have been able to use his broken wand to cast magic, it would just be much less effective than an actual wand but more effective than a twig. I do agree Hagrid's wand was probably fixed though
It would also explain why, if Voldemort was using the killing curse (a curse that is unblockable,) Harry was able to not only block it, but send it back.
Next time you read the books, count how many times ‘at once’ is said because it is said A LOT. (I know it’s 77 times in prince and 66 times in hallows) and you could make a short video or even a yt short about it
wow ive not watched this channel in ages and i cant believe yall are still spewing out harry potter theories its actually super impressive
The most annoying thing about the line of Elderwand owners is, if Grindelwald became the master after stealing it, then how did Voldemort not become the master by stealing?
maybe because one stole it from its master and one didn't (a dead Dumbledore wasn't the master when Voldemort stole it from his grave)?
Well... Dumbledore wasn't the master when it was stolen from him. And based on the ending where Harry says if he dies a natural death the power will be broken suggests the wand must be taken from a "live" master/owner.
@@khazza930 I don’t think so. Since Harry became its master when he was far away from the wand, why should distance matter for Voldemort? If anything the distance should be more of a dealbreaker for Harry than for Voldemort.
When Voldemort stole it from Dumbledore, Harry was already master of the wand. Draco became master after he disarmed Dumbledore. Harry then becomes master by stealing Draco's wand. .
@@hackmxn the difference is in possession of the wand, Gregorowich had a chance to stop Grindlewald (as he walks in on him escaping with the wand) where as Draco/Harry never has a chance to stop Voldemort from taking it. It's like if you lend a friend your hammer and then someone steal that hammer from your friend while it's still your hammer they stole they're not stealing it from you but from your friend. It's not about who is the master of the wand at the time of the theft so much as it is about who you're stealing it from.
In my mind, Dumbledore couldn't fix a fully broken wand, but he could use the pieces. I always believed Dumbledore transfigured the broken pieces of Hagrid's wand using the umbrella as a medium. (it would be cool if the umbrella had a backstory as to why it works as a medium).
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I have noticed that the invisibility cloak and Resurrection Stone remained within their family lines, but the elder wand stayed within a family. The Resurrection Stone did temporarily move from Tom Riddle to Dumbledore, then to Harry who is technically in that family line.
When Grindelwald took the Elder Wand from Gregorovitch, presumably Gellert had his normal wand with him, which may have been the one he used to stun Gregorovitch. Perhaps that could be when the wand switched owners.
Hagrid got the pieces of his wand back because Dumbledore spoke on his behalf because he [Dumbledore] knew he could fix the wand! However he adds a condition so that Hagrid only uses it concealed within the umbrella so the Ministry don’t catch on. After all, Dumbledore knew Hagrid was innocent of his alleged crime, and may have thought Hagrid at least deserved the wand that chose him, considering he could no longer attend Hogwarts and learn magic. Sidenote though, Hagrid actually might’ve been a fantastic wizard - considering that he perfectly performs the auguamenti charm on his first try, at the end of Half Blood Prince, after Harry tells him what spell to use…
This was brilliant and easily the best explanation of the Elder wand yet, including all the videos you guys have done on the subject. Fantastic work!
I want to see what would've happened if the Dursleys spoiled Harry like they did Dudley. Would he have ever even wanted to leave them for Hogwarts? Would Harry have an entirely different friend group or just no friends at all?
I always figured that hagrids umbrella was made out of wand wood and had the broken wand as a core 😂
This feels like an extension of your Why The Elder Wand Keeps Losing video and I'm all for it. That's the theory I subscribe to the most but I always did question how the elder wand could fix other wands if it wasn't special, this fixes that
Your elder wand videos are fantastic! Really enjoyed this one! And your podcast is so much fun!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks a lot guy, you saved me
Bacon from a table? Sounds like a question/conversation from the live trivia!
I just want to know if anyone realized that in the first book when Harry asks Hagrid how he got to the cliff in the sea he replied that he flew out there or at least in the Danish version he does and we also have lupus werewolf transformation which only activates when clouds disappear which means if he just doesn't go outside when the full moon is directly on him he won't transform at least that's what I think when you see it and then just a interesting idea what if Ginny followed Harry Ron and Hermione saw in the Deathly Hallows
Honestly, this might be simultaneously the most off-the-wall theory this channel has ever produced and the one that just makes the most sense.
This is my new headcanon; it changes nothing about the actual story, but just lets all of that weirdness about it at the end be more of Death's trick... meaning even harry, the true Master of Death, doesn't understand what that actually means.
He didn't BEAT Death, just got let off the hook for being a good sport, I guess.
This makes so much more sense than the explanation in the book
This one’s been bugging me for 13 years of it 😂
Probably onenof my favorite theories so far!! Love this one!
What if the hallows were sentient and chose to side with whomever they wanted? Probably why the stone worked after being "destroyed"
Now imagine the cloak being sentient. We are one step away from Strange's ❤Cloak❤
I love these videos so much more than I actually love the movies 😂 keep up the great work Brothers!!
The wand chooses the wizard; the Elder Wand just chooses more frequently, deciding duel by duel which wizard is more powerful or worthy by its own unspoken metric. Essentially a very fickle wand, unless it's wielded by someone like Dumbledore or Harry.
Jon: points umbrella at camera with vigor
I: flinch
I like to think that when Harry was explaining to Voldemort why he was the master of the Elder wand, it was just like 'hhmm... That's a solid argument, I guess I'm his now.'
13:53 auto captions has an ... interesting idea of what you said there.
Can’t believe I’m watching Super Carlin Brothers again. This used to be my favourite channel when I was like 8 or 9. I’m now 18 and still fascinated by these theories. Idk if it’s really your thing or maybe you have already done it, but I’d love to see some Gravity falls theories. They are really interesting and fun.
Also can we all take a moment to appreciate how awesome _Through the griffindor_ is 😊
I listened to the first one but was mad enough that it wasn't a read through that I stopped. 😅 But now they have listened to the fans' complaints and changed the way they are advertising. Now they're calling it a discussion, so I might start listening again.
@@melanieackard7736 You definitely should hearing them discuss and go through the book truly makes it feel like you're at book club with friends
Please never stop with the Harry Potter content. Love the videos.
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i think about the disarming thing, it’s about the permanent loss of the wand, a simple disarming spell where they get the wand back means the ownership hasn’t changed, additionally, i believe the wand has a magical core, that ties itself too the users core and hence the other wands, and the bond with the elder wand is stronger with other wands so ties itself to the others more than to the master. This means that when harry takes dracos wand, the elder wand is bound to draco’s wand and when harry meets with the elder wand, it recognises this and bonds to harry. this also explains how the wand was stolen without any force (can’t remember who or what, but it’s when the guy jumps out the window). I also think that the wand is more powerful in the hands of the owner, but as you mentioned, only the worthy can be the master. This explains most of the issues surrounding the elder wand, including why dumbledore won, as dumbledore was simply just better than grindlewald
the loyalty off the elder wand is not tied to a win in a duel nor killing it's prevoius owner, but to the power fot it's user, when you defeat or kill it's current owner you are overpowering them, that's the key as olivander says on the site wizarding world:
"Elder: The rarest wand wood of all, and reputed to be deeply unlucky, the elder wand is trickier to master than any other. It contains powerful magic, but scorns to remain with any owner who is not the superior of his or her company; it takes a remarkable wizard to keep the elder wand for any length of time."
Grindelvald was a young prodigy who was on par with Dumbeldore (who already was a once in a millenia talent in his teens) would be superior to a wand maker, Dumbeldore overpowered Grindelvald in a duel, Drago disarmed him, Harry's stunt at malefoy mansion qualified him.
The determiant factor betwenn Grindelvlad and Voldemort is time, the first had the elder wand from his teens up to his Fortie (if we go by what the films sowed) and Voldemort had it for a few month at best.
at least this is what i think it's the explanation for witch i have the most evidences.
i am deeply sorry for the poor Gramar and vocabulary i typed this at 1:05a.m. (my timezone)
Best conclusion to a video ever J. Well done
Hey Carlin brothers. I would love to see an what if series on Harry being taught occlumency by dumbledore and not snape.
Take a look at what happened to Ron Swann when it broke and he used spell a tape to hold it together it's still worked to a degree
Now that I think about it... They had an out, "The Wand chooses the Wizard, Mr. Potter"
An other thing that speaks against Voldie being master of the elder wand, if death truly made it, it was made to collect souls. Voldie had his soul split, the wand would never serve him.
This is by far the best Elder Wand theory I have ever heard.
I think the wand does grant power, but if the holder of the wand is in a fight, it going to ditch you to someone who is more powerful. I think dumbledore was only “a master” of the wand. He outright says that he was only worthy to hold the wand. Not unite the hollows. He only became the Master of Death by the end of the 6th book because he accepted his death for the greater good and just planned to serve what cause he wanted. He being the master of death would also explain why he could stay in limbo and wait for Harry. Whereas Harry became the master of death by accepting his death, but because he didn’t die he could use the wand.
Iron Throne from Game of Thrones .
Lord of Rings from Lord of the Rings .
Anakin's Light🗡
The Dark 🗡
The Throne of Jobba the Hutt from Star Wars.
The Elder Wand from Hairy Potter.
The Coins ,and Davey Jones' Heart from 🏴☠️ of the Caribbean.
The 3 Coins, and 7 keys from Grimm show .
The Master 🗡,and the Tri force from Zelda games.
The Ice Throne from World of Warcraft.
4 Element stones from 5th Element.
Missing Number in Pokémon
One thing they have similar they all belong in a Museum.
I remember when I put together Dumbledore is who fixed Hagrid's wand and I was so excited !!
11:20 This blew my mind... it makes so much sense...
Oh boy it’s been a while but finally we get to hear J explain how the Elder Wand lineage works again
I dunno I feel like there has to be a way to repair a wand broken by the ministry because Hagrid says at one point he still has the pieces and I think it’s olivander that says “but you don’t use them?” As a question/warning. I think I remember being told wandless magic is a thing and magic can be directed through pretty much any object it’s just a wand is specially designed to focus magic. So it’s like using a cell phone vs using two cups on a string. Both are capable of communicating but one is clearly better at it. Therefore I think Hagrid hid the wand pieces in the umbrella and just spent a lot of time focusing on how to make it work. Over the years it kinda just became a new wand due to his experience at focusing magic through it.
This is my favorite elder wand theory you guys have done! Makes sense!
This also plays into the quintessential piece of wandlore we ever learn and is even *repeated* for the purposes of the Elder Wand: "the chooses the wizard." The people who actively *seek* the Elder Wand are treating it as an object to be had, Dumbledore and Harry are the only ones to treat it as what it is, a sentient being capable of choice. Harry's conjuncture of it's path actually highlights this, Harry didn't "earn" the Elder Wand by victory but the Wand *chose* Harry for his victory, something Harry himself recognizes (though through incorrect reasoning.)
If I didn't remember wrongly, it was mentioned in the book that a wand helps focus magic? Like there are great wizards who could perform wandless magic? So I guess how "powerful" a wand is focuses magic differently? It's like.. a really good magnifying glass quickly lights up dried leaves but a lousy one takes very long to do so? So perhaps total magic effect is a formula of wizard's talent+wizard's magic output + wand's focusing effect? So maybe more difficult spells are easier cast? Or takes less effort/mana?
What if Gregorovich was holding the Elder Wand and Grindewald ran up and stole it out of his hands? And we have no idea what happened in the duel between Dumbledor and Grindewald. Grindewald could've thrown the fight.
I should’ve known after the last Through the Griffin Door episode that this was gonna be the next theory 😂
I was thinking exactly this 2 months ago. Amazing!!!!
My personel Headcannon is, that Elderwood is simply extremly
conductive for Magic flowing through it, which created the Illusion
of greater Power, since given the same amount of Effort put into a
Spell, a Wand made from Elderwood lets more Magic go into said Spell.
The Elder Wand was probably having an anxiety attack
I look at wands as art supplies. Incredibly made ones are just horrible dollar store markers whereas wands of Elder Wand quality are like Copic markers. But in the end it is the artist who matters. A bad artist with Copic markers will get better more quickly, but the markers are still kind of wasted on them. And a good artist can still make cheap markers work fairly well.
So a competent wizard can make a poorly made wand work and still do decent magic, and a poor wizard will have an easier time learning magic with the elder wand, but that doesn't make them a great wizard by default.
And I think the Elder Wand was just a really good quality wand, making already powerful wizards better able to utilise their potential.
This theory of yours… makes so much more sense than what actually is the case. None (or at least very little) of what happens involving the Elder Wand makes any sense.
Could you do a series on what would happen after the the war ….like a fanfic?
I thought it was only in the movies the Harry physically grabbed the wands but that Harry used expelliarmus on Draco in the book? It’s been a while since I read book seven.
14:30 but... What's your question for Ben and everybody else?
Ahhh yes . This is the SCB vid I needed for my weekend 😈
I can't remember how it went in the book, but in the movie Olivander correctly identifies Draco Malfoy's wand, at least that is was his wand, but tells Harry that he believes it allegiance has changed. So stealing a wand forcefully from another apparently counted to Draco's Wand. The Elder wand is just weird. I think the entire story about death was obviously made up with each of the 3 brothers creating those objects themselves, and perhaps their personalities fit with the story of the Hallows. It would be really nice to have clarifications about wand lore from the actual author.
Maybe a new book???
I remember reading something that wizards and witches can use anything to have magic go through but wands are easiest. Basically a witch/wizard could use a chair as/like a wand.
What about in Chamber of Secrets when Ron's wand is broken but he continues to use it (poorly) for the entire school year??
I think the Elderwand is the most powerful wand, BECAUSE it can fix other wands and thats it. The part about being undefeated is false, but is in truth a Fidelius charm "this wand always loses". Therefore nobody can realize it.
Would make sense if what the wand deemed worthy or masters of it, was people who had seen death, or rather felt death.
"Deaths" trick to master the elder was you had to see the Thestrals who's core residices inside the wand, hence unlocking the core of the wand you had to loose a person you loved. It fits the general theme of everything in Harry Potters universe, and who we know are true masters of the wand
I think I have an explanation for why the elder want is considered "more powerful" than other wands. As mentioned in the video, it has been used twice to fix shattered wands, something which is said to be impossible. I believe that the elder wand simply allows its user to channel all their energy through it. Think of regular wands as having limits on how much magic you can channel through them. The elder wand most likely just has a way higher channeling limit. It explains why its owners have lost duels before. Grindelwald simply wasnt powerful enough to make use of that increased limit.
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I read a fanfiction which explained Elder Wand's difference and for me it is a headcanon.
Basically all Wands channel casters magic, have preferences in use and magic type like Black Walnut refusing to work for a Wizard who doubts himself or shorter wands being more precise and fitted for Transfiguration.
Elder Wand has NO SUCH LIMITS.
It is equally exceptional in all fields channels 100% of the wizards magic with zero waste and ineficiency and does not care about personality and philosophy of the wielder as long as they are powerful enough to be it's master.
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A) a wand that must always win duels “for its owner”, and
B) worthy of a wizard “who had conquered death”.
I don’t think swapping in the word “master” adds anything to the wand. It’s going to A) win duels for its owner, whoever has possession of it, but if B) someone has/had conquered death, then the wand would choose to join that wizard even if it wasn’t the current owner, because conquering death wins no matter what. So how did Dumbledore beat Grindelwald, Dumbledore had the ability to conquer death. Harry dying in the forest was able to lose both because he let it happen but even though Voldemort wasn’t technically dead, he was at a state as close to death and had split his soul more times than anyone could conceive, so the wand jumped to him in that moment; but using the stone to come back Harry beats death and the wand will jump to that wizard over the current possessor/holder of the wand.
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That's a great theory. I sort of like the idea that the owner of the wand and the person holding the wand are not necessarily the same. It reminds me of how goblins and wizards treat ownership very differently. I can totally imagine 'Death' interpretting Antioc's request literally thinking 'yes my wand will always win me what I want. I'm its owner no matter who holds it. So ya I guess you can have it. (Wow, that one sure was easy) Be sure to tell everyone you know about your new wand. Who's next' Your theory though sort of works too. Its sort of like a musical instrument; a great player can make a poor instrument produce great music and even vice versa to a degree but the ideal situation is a high quality marriage of the two. Related to this, a payoff I was really hoping we would get but didn't, is those situations where Harry's wand was far away from him and he would just try to call it to him and it just never worked. Underage wizards just sort of make stuff happen, and Dumbledore says any wizard can channel their magic through any instrument. So I was sort of hoping that at some point we would see some poor displays of magic using other objects in dire situations. Maybe Lockhart in the hospital mistaking an ordinary pen for his wand manages some magic. Or the opposite really skilled wizards performing hard magic by channeling their magic through the air around them. Maybe that's how flying works! Even something simple like lumos or alohamora would be impressive again if someone like Gridelwald could do it wandless, and could justify him losing his tongue if even he would still need the incantation to do magic that way
I wonder whether the Goblin's strange opinion on ownership not equalling possession was deliberately put in to reinforce this concept later. The goblins consider themselves the masters of their treasures regardless of who currently possesses them.
When I first watched the movie, I thought that is what it was getting at when he jumped out of the window because he stole it. He didn't win it. I also thought maybe it's power was possibly also broken after the the Peverell brother was s tabbed in his sleep as that is not winning the wand, surely it would not change allegiances for that.
on the topic of what does it mean for a wand or person to be more powerful,
i think Avada Kedavra is a bit of an outlier in that it cant be blocked with magic and that its effects cant be reversed. for the caster though maybe it allows them to cast it faster / spend less energy to cast it (in GoF when the trio first learn about it Crouch says they could all point their wands at him and say the words and nothing would happen so a certain level of power seems to be required)
with other spells there are many more examples though, again in GoF we see several situations where some magical creatures (the dragons and then the spider in the maze) need multiple stunners to hit them at once to work (and the same in OotP with when Umbridge attacks Hagrid), i would expect being master of the elder wand would give an edge in these scenarios
it is difficult to separate power of the wizard from the power of the wand though, that line from Voldy about him being extraordinary but the wand resisting him, i do wonder about that though, he is far too humble to call himself extraordinary but we see what happens when Harry is using the wand Ron took off a snatcher, but in that situation we see very real examples of that wand not behaving properly for him, he doesnt really have any option though other than stealing hermiones. i feel like if Voldy really felt that the elder wand was resisting him in a similar way, why wouldnt he just go back to his own yew wand
the other thing thats difficult is we dont really get any direct comparisons between what owners of the wand could do before and after, some comparisons do come to mind though, it seems to be generally believed that Voldy was more powerful than Grindy (there is a line somewhere about Voldy coming along a generation later and stealing 1st place, im not sure i completely agree but im going to assume that their raw power is a close match),
the scenarios that come to mind though that i feel show Gindy had unlocked whatever potential the wand may have. at the end of OotP when the auras show up Voldy grabs Bellatrix and disapperates immediately. when Fudge is about to ask those auras to capture Dumbledore instead he just stands there and says he is ready to fight, which is a little arrogant but he is also likely correct. in FB1 in the subway when the army of american auras turn on Grindy he stands and fights and can hold his own until that creature of Newts gets him, in FB2 in the mausoleum when confronted with another army of auras once again he fights and basically wins, Leta sacrificing herself is the only thing that saved the main stars, everyone else got killed, it then took combined efforts of several powerful wizards including Flamel not to prevent his escape just to stop the entire city being destroyed while he was escaping.
there are a few options here
- maybe Dumbledore and Grindy were just on another level that Voldy could never hope to match whatever wands were being used
- Dumbledore and Grindy did manage to unlock the wands power and used that to be able to fight armies single handed
- the elder wand could have some kind of placebo effect, where wizards who truely believed that it worked were able to find more power within themselves rather than the wand itself giving that power (similar to felix felicis - you always had it in you just just needed to tweak the circumstances - aka get drunk and stop overthinking)
in so far as the elder wand has any power to unlock i think Grindy had unlocked it.
i still feel like the question is did Voldy unlock it and how, and when did Harry unlock it.
i feel like he must have unlocked it or he wouldnt have used that wand, by the time of that conversation he didnt even need to worry about the twin cores anymore (he knew that harry had lost his holly wand because he says so during the final confrontation). at the point get gets his hands on the elder wand though he was already mortally wounded, 3 of his 7 horcuxes were destroyed (though he only knew about 2), and by the time of that conversation with Snape another 2 had been destroyed so he was worried about only having 1 left, i think maybe he had unlocked the wand but was mistakenly interpreting the weakening of himself as the wand not boosting his power. as for when he got it the one that makes sense to me is the one he gives himself, he removed the wand from the Tomb against the last masters wishes
where it the gets interesting is when did the allegiance move to Harry, i feel like its at some point in the forest, either at the moment he removed the cloak, or when he was hit by his 2nd killing curse and survived once again.
the key part there is that Harry became master of the elder wand and death by sacrificing himself to stop a dark wizard, and unknowingly had a love bond (lovecrux if you will) that allowed him to survive the curse.
maybe things werent so different for Dumbledore and Grindy, we know they also had some love magic going on between them though seemingly more designed than what happened between Voldy and Harry. maybe Dumbledore didnt show up all tough and try to beat Grindy in a fight heads up, maybe he sacrificed himself to save the rest of the wizarding world from Grindy (he does say he was fit to wield the elder wand because he took it to protect others from it, maybe that is quite literally how he won it, he was protecting others from it)
I know we are told that the Elder Wand has a Thestral core, but could that be a false statement? (Ollivander never examines it to our knowledge). Does anyone else think that it could have a Quilin core and that is how it is only drawn to pure people? Quilin Magic!
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In "Deathly Hallow pt. 1" movie Harry takes Draco's wand by hand, but in the DH book Harry does disarm Draco with magic.
This is a really good one.
My head canon is that Dumbledore would have seen Grindlewald in the mirror until the moment he has finally decided to duel him. After that, he would see Ariana alive and well.
The wand chooses the wizard, Harry. I thought this "theory" was just obvious from the beginning. I've always thought of it this way.
Ron Weasley wand was broken too he tape it together and it work badly but still work