It's not actually too dissimilar to the main story. Harry disarmed Draco (literally) and won his wand, which then also lead to him gaining mastery of the Elder Wand. In this story, Harry still beat the same wand, it was just a different person wielding it.
Brothers, I have a What If scenario for you that could make for a very interesting video. What if Fudge believed Harry at the end of the Goblet of Fire? How much does this change the Order of the Phoenix? Does Umbridge still become Defense Against the Dark Arts Professor? Does Sirius still die at the Battle of the Ministry? There are lots of questions this what if brings up and I'd be interested to hear your opinions and theories on this matter.
Fudge in HPGoF says (basically): "what kind of loony bin are you operating here?" Dumbledore: "since this is the book and not the movie where Snape poured all the Veritaserum down Barty Crouch Jr's throat...I'll drink 4 drops, Harry will drink 4 drops, and Lucius Malfoy will drink 4 drops. Lucius' story will corroborate Harry's, and show what Harry recounted to me is true." Whole lotta BS avoided
I actually prefer a different scenario. I believe Draco killing Dumbledore could be the very thing that sets up Draco's redemption arc. Hear me out, Draco's allegiance is very unstable when he faces Dumbledore but he's pushed JUST over the edge to actually cast the killing curse. But he ends up being so shaken by his own actions that he begins to doubt his cause in ernest. Snape, of course, is still on his side and would notice and nourish these doubts. I'm not going to go in to all the details of how it might play out but I can see this story leading up to Draco feeling true remorse for what he's done and thereby fixing is torn soul.
I thought this was the direction that they were going to go. Ben was talking about how Draco needed a redemption arc, said that because Draco didn't kill Dumbledore that he was on shaky ground. Draco was just sort of stuck in the middle, not evil or good. If he had killed Dumbledore, the guilt might have pushed him towards fighting for good. The pendulumn swings.
I know its a fictional story, so sorry to be this pessimistic. But in reality majority of people who kill don't feel any major amount of remorse that changes them. If anything, it only becomes easier to hide those emotions when they do kill again. Yes we are talking about a fictional world, but peoples behaviours are pretty believable in HP, that's why people feel connected to the story in such a massive way.
Another version of this What if, is if Draco still said the spell but his heart wasn’t in it. Similar to when Harry tried the cruciatus curse on Bellatrix at end of OotP, it only knocked her off her feet. It’s plausible that Draco’s spell would knock Dumbledore off the tower (to his death) but would Draco’s soul remain in tact that way? Would he somehow know (and feel guilt) that he killed Dumbledore but not the way Voldemort intended???
The difference would be that Harry meant crucio but his righteous anger wasn't enough to sustain the spell. Draco in this case, as Barry crouch said, would give him at worst a nose bleed
Draco becoming full evil here almost feels like Kylo Ren becoming full evil for most of episode 9. Defeats the Big Bad and waits months before switching sides, but up until then, it is almost disappointing how the Big Bad was defeated by basically a kid. You're right, this new Draco is such a contrast to the "What if Harry went into Slytherin" series. That one is by far my favorite.
It is definitely a contrast. I wonder if it isn't too far of a stretch though. Taking Draco's character into consideration, do you think he would want to become the leader of the Death Eaters like that (and why would he even still want to kill Harry actually)?
@@keithg460 Draco: I killed Dumbledore, I’ll kill you too! Voldemort: My boy, I made it so! I have been behind every influence you have ever heard, inside your head.
Hearing him describe the scene where Malfoy interrogates Harry alone after they got caught by the Snatchers and imagining one with a huge scar across his face and the other with a missing ear, it felt to me like this would be the dark timeline, whith evil Draco being another Dark Arts threat after Voldy'demise. It really sounds so cool, I'd love to see expanded work on this timeline!
I don't believe for one second that Voldemort would consider Draco's service as reason for not killing him to take control of the elder wand. He didn't think about all the things Snape had done for him. Someone else's service is meaningless to Voldemort if they stand in the way of him gaining power.
but the fact that harry's wand was broken meant that draco wasnt standing in the way of him gaining power so there wouldnt be any need for voldemort to kill draco.
@@SgtSupaman 2 things. First how on earth did u reply so fast and second idk if its cuz i havent read the books for like 2 yrs but i dont think voldy would care for more power cuz he's just afraid of death and harry's the only danger to his immortality so i dont think he would care for more power cuz in his eyes he's already defeated harry and ended the last danger to his immortality cuz he's already the strongest wizard in the world and no one would be able to stop him if harry's ded.
@@cobra7103 , but the elder wand still exists, so, it being the most powerful wand, the possibility is still there for someone (maybe even Draco) to be more powerful than Voldemort. I just can't see him letting that go.
That got very twisty at the very end, and I'm not sure what I think about the final events, but there's one thing I think would happen differently: Even if the protection of the twin cores was broken, Voldemort still believed Draco was the master of the Elder Wand. There's no way he would have let Draco live, and Draco would have met his end in Snape's place.
Yeah, I was expecting the theory to explore if Narcissa would have still checked if Harry was dead and covered for him if she already knew Draco was dead
For me that deleted scene from the last movie in which draco throws his wand to harry in front of voldemort will always be canon. Thats how his character was ment to develop.
To those saying he would already have Draco's wand. He was "dead"at this point. So they would have taken Harry's wand. Having just re-watched the deleted scene in question. I 100% agree that this should of stayed in. It is the perfect redemption scene.
I have another “What If…” scenario. What if Sirius took Harry from the Potters’ house after Lily and James were killed instead of Hagrid? What if Sirius raised Harry? Would Sirius still die at the Battle of the Department of Mysteries? How much would this change Harry’s life?
Overall, I really enjoyed the theory, especially the Elder wand bit. However, I think Draco should have arranged for Voldemort to die BEFORE the battle of Hogwarts or at least halfway through. Forbidden Forrest perhaps? That way you have Draco fully set up as a terrible but worthy successor to him well before his own defeat as well as leaving the intrigue of the wand for a while.
@@lahlybird895 You 'd need to rework a little before-hand so Draco could slip Harry his original wand just before that scene instead of just after it. As for how the scene itself would go down, (spoilers for another video) SuperCarlinBrothers' "What if Sirius told Harry How to Use the Mirror" is actually a great example.
Can you do a "what if Draco was in Griffindoor" series, like what you did to Harry. I feel like that would've changed the trajectory of the books. Like he might’ve even warned Harry about Voldemort returning in book 4, since Lucius would've made comments about the dark mark getting stronger like what karkaroff said to Snape. And if he was warned, he might’ve left the graveyard before Wormtail came out so Cedric would be alive Edit: I also think Draco hesitating on the astronomy tower and trying so half-heartedly to kill Dumbledore is a giveaway to him not being a true slytherin. If he was, he would've taken the glory of killing Dumbledoor and becoming such a high-ranking Death Eater
Draco 100% is a true slytherin. Killing Dumbledore is not his ambition, it was chosen for him. He has his own ambitions and the cunning to achieve them, if that's not 100% slytherin, idk what is. Ps. Glory isn't an official slytherin trait, if anything it's a gryffindor one
These what ifs have to be plausible, and Draco was sorted so fast that I don't think there was ever a truer Slytherin than him. Not that that's a bad thing, I love Draco for being a Slytherin.
Yeah... that's one of two parts I disagree with. I don't think merely defeating the wand in a duel forces all wands owned by that wand's True Owner to magically switch allegiances. As I understand it (and I could be wrong), you have to defeat the Owner, not the Wand, for wand allegiance to switch. But before even getting to that, there was one other thing that Ben overlooked when writing this: Voldemort had dueled Dumbledore two years prior in the Ministry of Magic. Voldemort saw Dumbledore's Wand aka The Elder Wand. He would known what The Elder Wand looked like. So unless Draco somehow made his wand look like The Elder Wand, there's no way Voldemort would have mistook Draco's Wand for The Elder Wand.
Okay, I imagine that Bellatrix could not stand someone else being Voldy's right hand death eater and would continually work to sabotage Draco behind the scenes every chance she got. I don't believe that things would be smooth sailing for Draco despite his killing Dumbledore. Yes, Voldersnort would give him more responsibility and Draco might enjoy the cruelty more, but seeing in Deathly Hallows how the different Death eaters jockey for Voldman's approval all the time, and with Draco being young, I think that Snape and Bellatrix and maybe even Yaxley could outsmart him.
I disagree. Draco is one of the most intelligent characters after Hermione, it's canon that he came second in their year and that fixing the vanishing cabinet was seen as impossible by Dumbledore, one of the other most intelligent characters in the series. Plus, Bellatrix wouldn't sabotage her own Nephew. She loves her family more than she loves Voldemort, as seen when she went behind Voldemort's back to help him. Plus, if you consider the cursed child canon, Bellatrix has a place beside Voldemort no one else has.
Can the next hypothetical be what would happen if both Draco and Snape got cold feet during the final moments of The Half-Blood Prince? We've explored if Snape kills Dumbledore, if Dumbledore never put on the Gaunt Ring and survives that night, and if Draco got his act together and killed Dumbledore, last possible scenario is if the Gaunt Ring's curse kills Dumbledore.
I don't think that would ever happen. I think, no matter what, Dumbledore dies that night in the tower. If Draco and Snape don't kill him, Bellatrix will. Voldemort's Orders were very clear: Kill Dumbledore. And Bellatrix never defies a direct order from The Dark Lord. But even then, I don't think it would get that far. Remember, Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to "help Draco." If Snape refuses to kill Dumbledore, the Unbreakable Vow would immediately kill HIM. And knowing that Dumbledore is going to die anyway, Snape would kill Dumbledore to ensure his own survival because he's more valuable to The Order of The Phoenix and Harry alive than dead. The narrative is set up in a way that if Draco doesn't kill Dumbledore, Snape has to.
the elder wand is such a funny object in theory. the way the wand’s ownership is such an important yet convoluted concept rears it’s head again and again. i like that in every one of these theories, the wand is equally if not more ridiculous as a plot device to get Harry to win the battle with Voldemort.
I love these so much! Do you think we will get part 2 of the video where Snape marries Petunia? I can't wait to see how that particular what-if story ends. Thank you guys so much for continuing to make these. They are always awesome!
I used to get annoyed with the lack of arc that Draco got, but you explaining it made me realise he is really a true Slytherin, I think it was more about self preservation and probably smarter to just go along with things. If him and his family actively resisted Voldemort they would’ve definitely been killed and Narcissa wouldn’t be in the position to lie to Voldy.
I think that makes a lot of sense, but I have always hated that he went into the room of requirement after Harry and co. I feel like it undermines everything up through that point, and he wasn't exactly being forced to do that at that point.
would Remus be dead though? Snape's spell missed the death eater either way so without his interference George would have done whatever it is that we assume distracted the Death Eater to save Remus Also, I'd imagine even if Draco shows old no nose that Harry's wand is broken, Voldemort still kills him on the spot because he wants the full power of the elder wand
This may be SCB's **BEST** what-if video, but I have spotted a flaw in THEIR plan. Draco's soul would not have been divided forever. He would have accidentally mended it the only way it could be mended, and this would have happened quite quickly after his murder of Dumbledore. Draco Malfoy would have regretted murdering his headmaster; he would have felt **REMORSE.**
Nope. Sorry, Voldemort would never spare Draco's life just because of "gratitude" and risk not being the master of the elder wand. That being said, I LOVE the "what if" scenarios!! "What if Harry went into Slytherin" series is now my canon! ❤
I felt the same way and then I remembered that he gave Lily the chance to escape with her life at request of Snape. So contrived? A little. But not completely out of left field.
Maybe, he would have spared draco's life because he know he would nees all the soldiers he had in his hand for the upcoming battle. Especially since Draco has been very enthousiastic about his deatheater duty
@@valydendor4472 Lily didn't HAVE to die for him to kill Harry, Snape HAD to die for him to become master(or so he thought) so same would go for Draco, Voldemort would absolutely try to kill Draco for it. My issue is that Voldemort should've recognised Draco's wand and it's lack of power. First thing he did when he got the elder wand was shoot lightning into the sky (I guess he was testing it out), Draco's wand wouldn't be any more powerful than the borrowed wand Voldemort was using beforehand
Voldemort did spare people's lives as a reward. It shows how he viewed death as the greatest threat and downfall and how he considered giving people the most basic thing, their life, as some great reward that he has the right to bestow. I hate their What If?s. They change how people think and act and how magic works, and force things to happen simply because they happened in the story proper, like here with Harry's losing an ear.
That’s a super super super cool ending sequence. Very tricky but y’all made that work! I do feel that Voldemort sparing Draco is a bit of a stretch. I can’t imagine him doing that for real. Surely he would gladly take the info, thank him then kill him anyway just for double protection. Twin core gone and elder wand in possession. I can’t see why he would let the elder wand master live. BUT. As a piece of fan fiction and fun, I absolutely love it. And every other bit was air tight. Super creative. I love it. Especially the ending.
Yeah it's a little weird, what's a little more likely is that he just got really excited at the shattered wand and assumed his victory was certain and he could take care of Draco later Killing Harry have been his goal for nearly 2 decades, and now he genuinely thinks he can do it
This is because it is meant to have taken some of Voldemort into Harry's wand at GoF so now the twin cores are kind of in effect always as long as it is the Holly wand and Voldemort, the battle of the seven potters Voldemort has a different wand as well.
18:55 This accurate rendition of 16,900 of Deathly Hollow's 17,000 pages makes me want to hear you guys do a summary of the books as they actually happened
Please do a "What if Lucius Malfoy escaped with the prophecy?" and a "What if Dobby never went to Privet drive?" and a "What if Cedric disarmed Wormtail?"
I am not convinced that Draco would kill Dumbledore. He would probably do Avada Kedavra but Dumbledore wouldn't die since Draco doesn't truly want to kill Dumbledore.
The problem with this is I don't think for a second that voldermort would have spared draco. He still would have wanted mastery over the elder wand whether he knew Harry's was broken or not
I always thought it a good "what if" Draco had accepted Dumbledore's offer to hide him and his family. When I think about that I wonder if Harry and Draco would have possibly come to a better understanding of each other, and if Draco and possibly his family would have fought alongside Harry in the battle of Hogwarts.
Small change idea: since you didn't have Ron busy during the Malfoy Manor scene, you could change it so it's Peter not killing or hurting him that leads to the Voldermort hand curse killing him in this version.
Oh yeah, that's a good point. Everyone just assumed Dombuldore stopped using his own wand for the Elderwand after 1945. Until harry fixes his wand, no one really knows if that one is special at all
@@tamiwatchesstuff see i does amek sense dumebledore and glelrt grindlewald what if they brainwashed sybil trllwaney into believeing that v;oldermort was the trueevil one eha tif dumebledore brainwashed tohe dursleys agaisnt haryr so that hary weaoudl be weakeminded come to dumebdlrpoe for advice
It said in the book when was caught by the snatches that he looked at his reflection and had shoulder length hair so he did have longer hair that would cover his ears
15:29 losses in war arent inherently bad, and this is a what if, so playing around with things is kinda the point. But im not sure i agree. Snape missed, so whatever that Death Eater was aiming at Lupin didnt hit in the first place, unless Snape merely casting a spell near said death eater is what caused them to miss Lupin (or for that matter made Lupin more aware, and thus prepared to dodge/counter) Also, this could, and imo should, allow Tonks to survive the final battle.
Yes, because of "Priori Incantatem." Also, Voldemort doesn't show mercy, ever. He further wouldn't have let anything stand in the way of fully possessing the Elder Wand.
I haven’t watched a whole lot of TH-cam lately I guess I’ve just been more into listening to music and reading. So I’m a little behind on my SuoerCarlinBrothers but it looks like they’ve posted a whole lot of good stuff lately!! Yay!
Does anyone else think that by having Remus predeceased, at least Tonks survives the Battle of Hogwarts, since she presumably stays safe with little Remus? As terrible as Remus' early death is in this "What if"-scenario, it's reassuring that at least his son can grow up with his mother, who by then will hopefully (for and thanks to her son) have overcome the depression caused by the loss of her husband.
George loosing an ear will always be poetic. He is no longer WHOLE with a HOLE in his head and after the death of Fred he is no longer symbolically WHOLE. George must always be HOLY.
this theory seems almost plausable exept for one flaw. i dont think voldemort would have let draco live only because he served him 3 times. to have the power of the elderwand would mean more to him than dracos servitude.
Draco Malfoy really didn't serve Voldemort 3 times. Draco was only Loyal to Slytherin and his two class mates. He did what he did because his mother and father said so to keep him alive.
This is one of the better "What If" Draco theories I've heard. I especially like you highlighting his superiority complex when it comes to his new status among Voldys ranks.
I love this channel as a whole (I’m particularly partial to any Harry Potter related video because… well, just because, BUT!) THESE types of videos, the truly deep dives in to “what if” scenarios have to be my all time favorites. LOVE these types of videos!
If Draco had actually killed Dumbledore, Voldemort would have just killed him as soon as he walked into Malfoy Manor: a disposable tool that had served its purpose and what was supposed to be the final punishment for his parents. The bigger what if is: what if Voldemort had killed Draco, and Narcissa had become a double agent for The Order? Also, what if Harry had recruited Draco as a double agent in Half-Blood... maybe while he was still recovering from the Sectumsempra incident .
Man, can they just make SuperCarlinBrothers script writers for the new HBO show so that we can get to see all these alternative and brilliantly thought through timelines and eat popcorn?
In the original story Snape missed the Death Eater targetting Lupin and hit George. Lupin survived even though Snape missed therefore Snape didn't save Lupin, the death eater was just a bad shot and missed. There is no reason the revised story for Lupin to die, Snape wasn't there to miss the death eater and didn't hit george but that doesn't change anything between Death Eater and Lupin, the Death Eater would still probably missed the shot.
Love the super long uploads with interesting topics that you guys put all this thought into. I really appreciate all your hard work ❤I also like how this is sort of in direct contrast to your video talking about how Draco deserves to be redeemed bc in this theory he obviously goes on the exact opposite path of being redeemed and it shows how either way is equally possible based on a few decisions being different and how it changes so much of the story. Cool stuff. Looking forward to your next video. 😇🤗
i dont think draco couldve used avada kedavra since you have to have conviction to use the curses and i dont think draco has enough anger to kill dumbledore
It sounded like his motivator was to prove himself, even if Dumbledore got in the way. Seeing how ruthless he becomes in this version, I say it shakes out.
@@samthetheorist , but they based how he becomes on the premise that he kills Dumbledore, so, if he doesn't have enough intent to kill him in the first place, he wouldn't have become this "ruthless" version.
I think I disagree with Lupins death, Snape misses in the original story but Lupin survives anyway, meaning the Death Eater still got his shot off but Lupin never dies, so I think the Death Eater misses too
I don't get this revised ending at all. Draco would have been the master of the Elder Wand ever since killing Dumbledore. Voldy *thinking* he was using the Elder Wand (while actually using someone else's) wouldn't have changed the ownership of *either* wand (Draco's original or the Elder Wand) because Voldy never defeats Draco. So... how does Harry defeating Voldy somehow make Harry the master of the Elder Wand??
Riddle me this: If Harry Potter has a piece of Voldemort's soul inside him that grants him some of Tom's powers, then why wouldn't the basilisk obey Harry? Sure, young Voldo tells Harry in the chamber of secrets that it wouldn't, because he's not Slytherin's aire, but technically neither is he. He's just speaking parselmouth the same way Harry does...through a fragment of the real Tom's soul. So now that we've laid that down I believe Harry could have commanded the beast just like holotom. Harry never spoke to the beast did he. Nope.
They might be scared because of controversies. EVEN THOUGH the majority of people have no problem with it because they know better. It's like that viral video about cultural appropriation with the white guy in a sombrero. Mexicans weren't offended. Only people that weren't personally involved whatsoever were offended. They only people upset about something JKR said in the past are people that have nothing to do with it. It's all completely HYPOCRITICAL when you think about it because they shouldn't be covering Harry Potter AT ALL if they wanna be justice warriors. Regardless there is a trans working The Three Broomsticks.
👏👏👏👏 I love this version! A few others have done "What if Draco killed Dumbledore?" but their answers weren't as deep or exciting. They didn't point out that it could change the 7 Potters storyline & they still had some roundabout way of Draco regretting things & quietly going against Voldemort, & in the end slightly helping Harry the way the original version went. Nobody else imagined Draco might embrace darkness & go for power himself.
I have to disagree with you on Snape killing Hedwig. It's already hard enough as it is aiming spells from a broom, it's a miracle he didn't hit Harry, and as I remember it, they all have stuffed owls to complete the picture, so unless Snape could see which one was the real live owl and was worried some other death eaters would be able too as well, there would be no need to target Hedwig specifically.
Theory Idea: What if Voldemort went after the Longbottoms instead of the Potters? Since Neville was a possible candidate for the prophecy what if he was? Does the Golden Trio become the Golden Quad? How much does Neville's lack of courage/confidence change him being the chosen one?
I wonder if Harry would even really be part of the group. He would be much more confident in the magical world (having grown up with his parents) and wouldn't have needed help from Ron or Hermoine to figure out what was going on. He might even turn out to be a bully, like James was as a kid.
@@SgtSupaman That's very possible. I also think that instead James and Lily could be driven to insanity by Bellatrix, still leading to him living with the Dursley's. He might still meet Ron on the train, and can still become friends with Hermione through that. It'll also be interesting to see if Neville's ego could be effected with being 'The Boy Who Lived'.
Hey, can you please do a video on what if James Potter survived e.g. if Voldy just stupefied him rather than killing him for whatever reason. Lily still has to die for the prophecy but would Harry not go to the durselys? The 'mother blood' safety thing would still be in effect but James would surely stay with him. Would Sirius still go to Azkaban, would he survive the war?? It could be interesting
I disagree with a few things. Starting with the idea that Draco is evil. Draco’s wand core is unicorn hair, meaning he was always destined to resist the darkness. Evil wizards don’t have unicorn wand cores. Even if he killed Dumbledore (to save his family, not to serve Voldemort), I don’t think Draco would wholeheartedly embrace Voldemort’s cause, just be more convincing in his pretense. He knew that was Harry, and his apparent wishywashiness was to intentionally delay. Draco wanted Voldemort to lose. Later, Draco raises Scorpio without pure blood supremacy. Not only does the unicorn wand core indicate resistance to corruption to the darkness, it also makes the most loyal wand, it can stay loyal even thru being stolen. Unicorn wands only change loyalty when the owner wants it to change loyalty. Draco’s wand became Harry’s wand not just because Harry stole it, but PRIMARILY because Draco wants Harry to escape, Draco wants Harry to beat Voldemort, and with Draco’s unicorn wand changing, so too the Elder Wand becomes Harry’s. The number 1 thing to consider is the 1st thing Draco ever did to Harry… offer friendship. Sure, it was twisted by his father’s ideology, but it was still genuine. I just don’t see Draco trying to kill Harry, especially after Voldemort is dead. The biggest complication is Voldemort would correctly assume Draco is the master of the Elder Wand. So Draco does need to give Harry’s broken wand to Voldemort… …but Harry also still needs to get Draco’s wand. Let’s just say Draco pockets Harry’s broken wand. After all, Harry steals Draco’s wand from Draco’s hand, not from his pocket. This is about to get very convoluted very fast. Draco gives Harry’s broken wand to Voldy, so if Voldy uses ANY other wand, it should work because neither of the 2 Fawkes feather core brother wands are involved. if Voldy used his own wand, it still won’t work because one of the Fawkes wands is involved. But let’s be real, Voldy won’t choose any wand, he’s a little scaredy cat who wants to be extra extra certain, so he wants the Elder Wand. Of course when he learns Dumbledore had it, he’ll kill Draco to get the Elder Wand’s allegiance, except it will already be Harry’s by that point. Is there a way Voldy does NOT kill Draco? Yes… if and only if… an expert in wand lore (like Gregorovitch) told Voldy a wand can be won by disarming without killing (although perhaps Voldy can arrive to that conclusion on his own when he realizes Gregorovitch WAS the master of the Elder Wand, but is not now because Grindelwald STOLE the Elder Wand, becoming the master of the Elder Wand without killing the previous master… also Voldy might put the logic together that Dumbledore became the master of the Elder Wand by beating Grindelwald without killing him), then maybe Voldy surprise disarms Draco of his mother’s wand (but we also have to rely on Draco not telling Voldy that Harry stole his wand, & that the wand Draco is currently holding is his mother’s…Voldy must believe he disarmed Draco of Draco’s wand) without killing him… …that is Draco’s only hope of survival. Also, the spell Snape aimed at a Death Eater’s wand hand… missed…meaning it did not hit the Death Eater. So even if Snape is aiming at a different Death Eater… Lupin survives that night as usual.
I love this theory, and I didn’t see the whole cunning, evil Draco thing coming, and it was awesome! Though I like to think that, had Draco actually tried to kill Dumbledore, that Dumbledore would’ve cast Avada Kedavra on himself to keep Draco’s soul intact.
What if Draco had indeed accepted Dumbledore's offer of protection on that fateful night in the Hogwarts Astronomy Tower, only for Snape to appear and employ The Killing Curse upon the elderly, already dying Hogwarts Headmaster?
I still want to know what happens to Kreacher after the Battle of Hogwarts. Did he stay at Hogwarts or leave with Harry? Would he have been around for Harry's kids? I know some people think Harry would have freed him, but Dobby is the only house-elf who we ever see/hear of even WANTING freedom, the rest of the house elves we see are completely against it. Apologies for the slight rant, this has been bugging me for years.
One issue that I can see: wouldn’t Voldemort know what the Elder Wand looked like? Voldemort has seen Dumbledore’s wand on numerous occasions, most recently during their epic duel at the Ministry of Magic. And Voldemort strikes me as the type to know everything he possibly could about historic magical artifacts. He also presumably knows what Draco’s wand looks like if Voldemort had ordered Draco to torture with it. It would not be difficult for him to realize the wand is not the Elder Wand, especially since Draco is suddenly using a new wand that looks suspiciously like Dumbledore’s.
Ok hear me out Bellatrix would never EVER have let Draco killing Voldemort slide. If she were in the crowd during that final duel, she would have attacked Draco the moment he began to explain himself. Voldemort was the most important thing to her and she would not have hesitated to murder Draco after she found out he orchestrated Voldemort’s demise. I’m not sure she would have actually managed to kill him but she’s an excellent duelist and she certainly would have tried.
I feel like it's almost tradition now to make the elder wand plot device completely ridiculous...I LOVE IT
It is ridiculose
Riddikulus...
It's not actually too dissimilar to the main story. Harry disarmed Draco (literally) and won his wand, which then also lead to him gaining mastery of the Elder Wand. In this story, Harry still beat the same wand, it was just a different person wielding it.
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@@Ollie.H-23 I’ve always thought this was one of the thinnest plot points in all of HP
Somehow, I wonder how they always make the wand ending thing MORE complicated than before
He shall be proud! His ending with the wand lore twist is even more complicated and dumber than the original. :D
Hey it's better than the harry sorted into slytherin one
@@kallocarina8879 True, True
That wand trade off was wild
@@kallocarina8879 Yeah, that one was rough
Brothers, I have a What If scenario for you that could make for a very interesting video. What if Fudge believed Harry at the end of the Goblet of Fire? How much does this change the Order of the Phoenix? Does Umbridge still become Defense Against the Dark Arts Professor? Does Sirius still die at the Battle of the Ministry? There are lots of questions this what if brings up and I'd be interested to hear your opinions and theories on this matter.
Yes that would be great!
YES! This idea sounds awesome.
Fudge in HPGoF says (basically): "what kind of loony bin are you operating here?"
Dumbledore: "since this is the book and not the movie where Snape poured all the Veritaserum down Barty Crouch Jr's throat...I'll drink 4 drops, Harry will drink 4 drops, and Lucius Malfoy will drink 4 drops. Lucius' story will corroborate Harry's, and show what Harry recounted to me is true."
Whole lotta BS avoided
omg i love this, they need to see this!
I recommend the oneshot fanfic _The Greatest Minister of Magic_ by BajaB.
I actually prefer a different scenario. I believe Draco killing Dumbledore could be the very thing that sets up Draco's redemption arc. Hear me out, Draco's allegiance is very unstable when he faces Dumbledore but he's pushed JUST over the edge to actually cast the killing curse. But he ends up being so shaken by his own actions that he begins to doubt his cause in ernest. Snape, of course, is still on his side and would notice and nourish these doubts. I'm not going to go in to all the details of how it might play out but I can see this story leading up to Draco feeling true remorse for what he's done and thereby fixing is torn soul.
I Love It! I think that ending would be amazing! Draco deserves a redemption arc.
Imagine if at any point, Snape reavealed to Drako that Dumbledore was dying anyway and that he arraged his death in a way to protect him.
I thought this was the direction that they were going to go. Ben was talking about how Draco needed a redemption arc, said that because Draco didn't kill Dumbledore that he was on shaky ground. Draco was just sort of stuck in the middle, not evil or good. If he had killed Dumbledore, the guilt might have pushed him towards fighting for good. The pendulumn swings.
I know its a fictional story, so sorry to be this pessimistic. But in reality majority of people who kill don't feel any major amount of remorse that changes them.
If anything, it only becomes easier to hide those emotions when they do kill again.
Yes we are talking about a fictional world, but peoples behaviours are pretty believable in HP, that's why people feel connected to the story in such a massive way.
Another version of this What if, is if Draco still said the spell but his heart wasn’t in it. Similar to when Harry tried the cruciatus curse on Bellatrix at end of OotP, it only knocked her off her feet.
It’s plausible that Draco’s spell would knock Dumbledore off the tower (to his death) but would Draco’s soul remain in tact that way? Would he somehow know (and feel guilt) that he killed Dumbledore but not the way Voldemort intended???
This is a great question!
As Barty said, nosebleed at most
The difference would be that Harry meant crucio but his righteous anger wasn't enough to sustain the spell.
Draco in this case, as Barry crouch said, would give him at worst a nose bleed
I like this idea even more!!
I think that his soul would stay intact, he'd feel guilty, and he wouldn't know the difference
This was epic, I loved full-evil Draco. And it's a funny contrast to his more heroic take in your "What if Harry went into Slytherin" series
Draco becoming full evil here almost feels like Kylo Ren becoming full evil for most of episode 9. Defeats the Big Bad and waits months before switching sides, but up until then, it is almost disappointing how the Big Bad was defeated by basically a kid.
You're right, this new Draco is such a contrast to the "What if Harry went into Slytherin" series. That one is by far my favorite.
It is definitely a contrast. I wonder if it isn't too far of a stretch though. Taking Draco's character into consideration, do you think he would want to become the leader of the Death Eaters like that (and why would he even still want to kill Harry actually)?
@@keithg460 Draco: I killed Dumbledore, I’ll kill you too!
Voldemort: My boy, I made it so! I have been behind every influence you have ever heard, inside your head.
Hearing him describe the scene where Malfoy interrogates Harry alone after they got caught by the Snatchers and imagining one with a huge scar across his face and the other with a missing ear, it felt to me like this would be the dark timeline, whith evil Draco being another Dark Arts threat after Voldy'demise. It really sounds so cool, I'd love to see expanded work on this timeline!
I don't believe for one second that Voldemort would consider Draco's service as reason for not killing him to take control of the elder wand. He didn't think about all the things Snape had done for him. Someone else's service is meaningless to Voldemort if they stand in the way of him gaining power.
Best point!
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but the fact that harry's wand was broken meant that draco wasnt standing in the way of him gaining power so there wouldnt be any need for voldemort to kill draco.
@@cobra7103 , the elder wand is power, regardless of the status of Harry's wand.
@@SgtSupaman 2 things. First how on earth did u reply so fast and second idk if its cuz i havent read the books for like 2 yrs but i dont think voldy would care for more power cuz he's just afraid of death and harry's the only danger to his immortality so i dont think he would care for more power cuz in his eyes he's already defeated harry and ended the last danger to his immortality cuz he's already the strongest wizard in the world and no one would be able to stop him if harry's ded.
@@cobra7103 , but the elder wand still exists, so, it being the most powerful wand, the possibility is still there for someone (maybe even Draco) to be more powerful than Voldemort. I just can't see him letting that go.
That got very twisty at the very end, and I'm not sure what I think about the final events, but there's one thing I think would happen differently: Even if the protection of the twin cores was broken, Voldemort still believed Draco was the master of the Elder Wand. There's no way he would have let Draco live, and Draco would have met his end in Snape's place.
Yeah, I was expecting the theory to explore if Narcissa would have still checked if Harry was dead and covered for him if she already knew Draco was dead
Okay I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought the same… I was like whaaaaaat??😂
I love that Ben's "hey brother" is just steadily getting longer. Eventually it'll be the whole video 😂
*Face gets more and more red before finally passing out from lack of oxygen to his brain.*
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I have more scenarios:
1. What if Harry did learn occlumency from Snape?
2. What if Kreature didn't betray Sirius?
someone really wants Sirius to live, huh
@@iphito7539Well, who doesn't though
For me that deleted scene from the last movie in which draco throws his wand to harry in front of voldemort will always be canon. Thats how his character was ment to develop.
@@nightfury95 and Draco was using his mom's wand after that. So technically he threw her wand
@@nightfury95Dual wield wands? No? Okay then...
To those saying he would already have Draco's wand. He was "dead"at this point. So they would have taken Harry's wand.
Having just re-watched the deleted scene in question. I 100% agree that this should of stayed in. It is the perfect redemption scene.
Yes!!! This is the redemption arc draco deserved. I'm with you 💯 it was always be canon to me
Totally agree!!!
I have another “What If…” scenario. What if Sirius took Harry from the Potters’ house after Lily and James were killed instead of Hagrid? What if Sirius raised Harry? Would Sirius still die at the Battle of the Department of Mysteries? How much would this change Harry’s life?
Oooh my goodness yes!
yes! I would imagine he wouldn't be there to "kill" Peter if he had to stay with Harry.
@@rickiclark4356 Exactly! I also wonder if he (Sirius) would still die??
I like that you finished this off with "The Flaw in the plan" The single greatest chapter in the Potter book series
Overall, I really enjoyed the theory, especially the Elder wand bit. However, I think Draco should have arranged for Voldemort to die BEFORE the battle of Hogwarts or at least halfway through. Forbidden Forrest perhaps? That way you have Draco fully set up as a terrible but worthy successor to him well before his own defeat as well as leaving the intrigue of the wand for a while.
Sorry, I didn't mean for this to pop up two or three times. I didn't realize editing did that.
How though
@@lahlybird895 You 'd need to rework a little before-hand so Draco could slip Harry his original wand just before that scene instead of just after it. As for how the scene itself would go down, (spoilers for another video) SuperCarlinBrothers' "What if Sirius told Harry How to Use the Mirror" is actually a great example.
@@samthetheorist interesting
Can you do a "what if Draco was in Griffindoor" series, like what you did to Harry. I feel like that would've changed the trajectory of the books. Like he might’ve even warned Harry about Voldemort returning in book 4, since Lucius would've made comments about the dark mark getting stronger like what karkaroff said to Snape. And if he was warned, he might’ve left the graveyard before Wormtail came out so Cedric would be alive
Edit: I also think Draco hesitating on the astronomy tower and trying so half-heartedly to kill Dumbledore is a giveaway to him not being a true slytherin. If he was, he would've taken the glory of killing Dumbledoor and becoming such a high-ranking Death Eater
Draco 100% is a true slytherin. Killing Dumbledore is not his ambition, it was chosen for him. He has his own ambitions and the cunning to achieve them, if that's not 100% slytherin, idk what is.
Ps. Glory isn't an official slytherin trait, if anything it's a gryffindor one
These what ifs have to be plausible, and Draco was sorted so fast that I don't think there was ever a truer Slytherin than him. Not that that's a bad thing, I love Draco for being a Slytherin.
I think it would be fun.
It might be unrealistic but it would totally be a great watch!
Okay you seem too greatly Miss understand how Slytherin works
That's said it would be fun to explore even if it doesn't make much sense
I love these "what if..?" episodes, they always get me so invested!
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Yes! Same man!
Okay but the wand allegiance part was even more confusing that in the original storyline 😆
Yeah... that's one of two parts I disagree with. I don't think merely defeating the wand in a duel forces all wands owned by that wand's True Owner to magically switch allegiances. As I understand it (and I could be wrong), you have to defeat the Owner, not the Wand, for wand allegiance to switch.
But before even getting to that, there was one other thing that Ben overlooked when writing this: Voldemort had dueled Dumbledore two years prior in the Ministry of Magic. Voldemort saw Dumbledore's Wand aka The Elder Wand. He would known what The Elder Wand looked like. So unless Draco somehow made his wand look like The Elder Wand, there's no way Voldemort would have mistook Draco's Wand for The Elder Wand.
I laughed out loud when Voldy called Draco the boy who lived because he served him thrice, I'm in stitches.
Okay, I imagine that Bellatrix could not stand someone else being Voldy's right hand death eater and would continually work to sabotage Draco behind the scenes every chance she got. I don't believe that things would be smooth sailing for Draco despite his killing Dumbledore. Yes, Voldersnort would give him more responsibility and Draco might enjoy the cruelty more, but seeing in Deathly Hallows how the different Death eaters jockey for Voldman's approval all the time, and with Draco being young, I think that Snape and Bellatrix and maybe even Yaxley could outsmart him.
I disagree. Draco is one of the most intelligent characters after Hermione, it's canon that he came second in their year and that fixing the vanishing cabinet was seen as impossible by Dumbledore, one of the other most intelligent characters in the series. Plus, Bellatrix wouldn't sabotage her own Nephew. She loves her family more than she loves Voldemort, as seen when she went behind Voldemort's back to help him. Plus, if you consider the cursed child canon, Bellatrix has a place beside Voldemort no one else has.
Can the next hypothetical be what would happen if both Draco and Snape got cold feet during the final moments of The Half-Blood Prince? We've explored if Snape kills Dumbledore, if Dumbledore never put on the Gaunt Ring and survives that night, and if Draco got his act together and killed Dumbledore, last possible scenario is if the Gaunt Ring's curse kills Dumbledore.
I don't think that would ever happen. I think, no matter what, Dumbledore dies that night in the tower. If Draco and Snape don't kill him, Bellatrix will. Voldemort's Orders were very clear: Kill Dumbledore. And Bellatrix never defies a direct order from The Dark Lord. But even then, I don't think it would get that far. Remember, Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to "help Draco." If Snape refuses to kill Dumbledore, the Unbreakable Vow would immediately kill HIM. And knowing that Dumbledore is going to die anyway, Snape would kill Dumbledore to ensure his own survival because he's more valuable to The Order of The Phoenix and Harry alive than dead. The narrative is set up in a way that if Draco doesn't kill Dumbledore, Snape has to.
the elder wand is such a funny object in theory. the way the wand’s ownership is such an important yet convoluted concept rears it’s head again and again. i like that in every one of these theories, the wand is equally if not more ridiculous as a plot device to get Harry to win the battle with Voldemort.
I love these so much!
Do you think we will get part 2 of the video where Snape marries Petunia? I can't wait to see how that particular what-if story ends.
Thank you guys so much for continuing to make these. They are always awesome!
Agreed. There's so much story left to tell with that one.
The cliffhanger is driving me insane
I used to get annoyed with the lack of arc that Draco got, but you explaining it made me realise he is really a true Slytherin, I think it was more about self preservation and probably smarter to just go along with things. If him and his family actively resisted Voldemort they would’ve definitely been killed and Narcissa wouldn’t be in the position to lie to Voldy.
I think that makes a lot of sense, but I have always hated that he went into the room of requirement after Harry and co. I feel like it undermines everything up through that point, and he wasn't exactly being forced to do that at that point.
would Remus be dead though? Snape's spell missed the death eater either way
so without his interference George would have done whatever it is that we assume distracted the Death Eater to save Remus
Also, I'd imagine even if Draco shows old no nose that Harry's wand is broken, Voldemort still kills him on the spot because he wants the full power of the elder wand
This may be SCB's **BEST** what-if video, but I have spotted a flaw in THEIR plan. Draco's soul would not have been divided forever. He would have accidentally mended it the only way it could be mended, and this would have happened quite quickly after his murder of Dumbledore. Draco Malfoy would have regretted murdering his headmaster; he would have felt **REMORSE.**
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Nope. Sorry, Voldemort would never spare Draco's life just because of "gratitude" and risk not being the master of the elder wand.
That being said, I LOVE the "what if" scenarios!! "What if Harry went into Slytherin" series is now my canon! ❤
I felt the same way and then I remembered that he gave Lily the chance to escape with her life at request of Snape. So contrived? A little. But not completely out of left field.
Maybe, he would have spared draco's life because he know he would nees all the soldiers he had in his hand for the upcoming battle. Especially since Draco has been very enthousiastic about his deatheater duty
@@valydendor4472 Lily didn't HAVE to die for him to kill Harry, Snape HAD to die for him to become master(or so he thought) so same would go for Draco, Voldemort would absolutely try to kill Draco for it. My issue is that Voldemort should've recognised Draco's wand and it's lack of power. First thing he did when he got the elder wand was shoot lightning into the sky (I guess he was testing it out), Draco's wand wouldn't be any more powerful than the borrowed wand Voldemort was using beforehand
Voldemort did spare people's lives as a reward. It shows how he viewed death as the greatest threat and downfall and how he considered giving people the most basic thing, their life, as some great reward that he has the right to bestow.
I hate their What If?s. They change how people think and act and how magic works, and force things to happen simply because they happened in the story proper, like here with Harry's losing an ear.
@@valydendor4472 was lily the owner of the elder wand?
That’s a super super super cool ending sequence. Very tricky but y’all made that work!
I do feel that Voldemort sparing Draco is a bit of a stretch. I can’t imagine him doing that for real. Surely he would gladly take the info, thank him then kill him anyway just for double protection. Twin core gone and elder wand in possession. I can’t see why he would let the elder wand master live.
BUT. As a piece of fan fiction and fun, I absolutely love it. And every other bit was air tight. Super creative. I love it. Especially the ending.
Yeah it's a little weird, what's a little more likely is that he just got really excited at the shattered wand and assumed his victory was certain and he could take care of Draco later
Killing Harry have been his goal for nearly 2 decades, and now he genuinely thinks he can do it
But the twin cores are the reason Harry’s wand moves involuntarily to counter Voldemort’s spell. Why would it do that against Draco’s wand?
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This is because it is meant to have taken some of Voldemort into Harry's wand at GoF so now the twin cores are kind of in effect always as long as it is the Holly wand and Voldemort, the battle of the seven potters Voldemort has a different wand as well.
@@danielgoldring2571 Thanks.
When will be happening the next chapter for "what if Petunia was a witch?"
18:55 This accurate rendition of 16,900 of Deathly Hollow's 17,000 pages makes me want to hear you guys do a summary of the books as they actually happened
Yes! Way to bring back alternate Harry Potter scenarios. You have nourished my soul.
What if Lupin joined the Golden trio in their Horcrux hunt?
Fascinating
Please do a "What if Lucius Malfoy escaped with the prophecy?" and a "What if Dobby never went to Privet drive?" and a "What if Cedric disarmed Wormtail?"
I always love scenarios that explore Draco in depth a little more. He was always one of my fave characters. A lot of layers to him. A lot to explore.
I am not convinced that Draco would kill Dumbledore. He would probably do Avada Kedavra but Dumbledore wouldn't die since Draco doesn't truly want to kill Dumbledore.
I loved how evil you made Malfoy in this. And the ending is so good. A applaud your creativity and truly enjoy your fanfics.
Why are these What Ifs so much better than the original
Cause the brothers are a bit more creative.
I have a suggestion for your what-ifs series "what is Voldemort went to live with Tom riddle SR instead of wool's orphanage"
The problem with this is I don't think for a second that voldermort would have spared draco. He still would have wanted mastery over the elder wand whether he knew Harry's was broken or not
Next What If series: What if Draco wasn't in Slytherin? All 7 books (8 videos)
I always thought it a good "what if" Draco had accepted Dumbledore's offer to hide him and his family. When I think about that I wonder if Harry and Draco would have possibly come to a better understanding of each other, and if Draco and possibly his family would have fought alongside Harry in the battle of Hogwarts.
Small change idea: since you didn't have Ron busy during the Malfoy Manor scene, you could change it so it's Peter not killing or hurting him that leads to the Voldermort hand curse killing him in this version.
I'd love to see some "what if's" about other stuff...like..."what if...Zuko found Aang in that glacier?"
Oh yeah, that's a good point. Everyone just assumed Dombuldore stopped using his own wand for the Elderwand after 1945. Until harry fixes his wand, no one really knows if that one is special at all
You should do “what if Draco was in Gryffindor”! I love your videos!!
Need a “what if Snape’s loyalty was with Voldemort” video. Would Voldemort win? Would Dumbledore know? If so how early?
Good idea. I want a What If? Video where Dumbledore is the actual Dark Lord.
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It said in the book when was caught by the snatches that he looked at his reflection and had shoulder length hair so he did have longer hair that would cover his ears
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15:29 losses in war arent inherently bad, and this is a what if, so playing around with things is kinda the point.
But im not sure i agree. Snape missed, so whatever that Death Eater was aiming at Lupin didnt hit in the first place, unless Snape merely casting a spell near said death eater is what caused them to miss Lupin (or for that matter made Lupin more aware, and thus prepared to dodge/counter)
Also, this could, and imo should, allow Tonks to survive the final battle.
Voldemort would not have spared Draco's life. He already knew of Harry's destroyed wand and still killed Snape
Yes, because of "Priori Incantatem." Also, Voldemort doesn't show mercy, ever. He further wouldn't have let anything stand in the way of fully possessing the Elder Wand.
I haven’t watched a whole lot of TH-cam lately I guess I’ve just been more into listening to music and reading. So I’m a little behind on my SuoerCarlinBrothers but it looks like they’ve posted a whole lot of good stuff lately!! Yay!
Does anyone else think that by having Remus predeceased, at least Tonks survives the Battle of Hogwarts, since she presumably stays safe with little Remus? As terrible as Remus' early death is in this "What if"-scenario, it's reassuring that at least his son can grow up with his mother, who by then will hopefully (for and thanks to her son) have overcome the depression caused by the loss of her husband.
George loosing an ear will always be poetic. He is no longer WHOLE with a HOLE in his head and after the death of Fred he is no longer symbolically WHOLE. George must always be HOLY.
this theory seems almost plausable exept for one flaw. i dont think voldemort would have let draco live only because he served him 3 times. to have the power of the elderwand would mean more to him than dracos servitude.
Draco Malfoy really didn't serve Voldemort 3 times. Draco was only Loyal to Slytherin and his two class mates. He did what he did because his mother and father said so to keep him alive.
This is one of the better "What If" Draco theories I've heard. I especially like you highlighting his superiority complex when it comes to his new status among Voldys ranks.
Is it just me, or do these hypothetical “what if” scenarios sound better than the actual story we got?
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Some of the viewers feel the same Zen.
I love this channel as a whole (I’m particularly partial to any Harry Potter related video because… well, just because, BUT!) THESE types of videos, the truly deep dives in to “what if” scenarios have to be my all time favorites. LOVE these types of videos!
The Wands conclusion fits logically but caught me totally off guard well done.
If Draco had actually killed Dumbledore, Voldemort would have just killed him as soon as he walked into Malfoy Manor: a disposable tool that had served its purpose and what was supposed to be the final punishment for his parents.
The bigger what if is: what if Voldemort had killed Draco, and Narcissa had become a double agent for The Order?
Also, what if Harry had recruited Draco as a double agent in Half-Blood... maybe while he was still recovering from the Sectumsempra incident
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Man, can they just make SuperCarlinBrothers script writers for the new HBO show so that we can get to see all these alternative and brilliantly thought through timelines and eat popcorn?
In the original story Snape missed the Death Eater targetting Lupin and hit George. Lupin survived even though Snape missed therefore Snape didn't save Lupin, the death eater was just a bad shot and missed. There is no reason the revised story for Lupin to die, Snape wasn't there to miss the death eater and didn't hit george but that doesn't change anything between Death Eater and Lupin, the Death Eater would still probably missed the shot.
Love the super long uploads with interesting topics that you guys put all this thought into. I really appreciate all your hard work ❤I also like how this is sort of in direct contrast to your video talking about how Draco deserves to be redeemed bc in this theory he obviously goes on the exact opposite path of being redeemed and it shows how either way is equally possible based on a few decisions being different and how it changes so much of the story. Cool stuff. Looking forward to your next video. 😇🤗
The Ending confused me, I don't understand how Harry defeated Draco ??? Is it because Harry defeated Draco's original wand ??
ok this was the most mind blowing what if episode ive seen!!!!!!!!!!
i dont think draco couldve used avada kedavra since you have to have conviction to use the curses and i dont think draco has enough anger to kill dumbledore
I agree. Draco would have had fear, but not anger. He actually likes and respects Dumbledore as well.
It sounded like his motivator was to prove himself, even if Dumbledore got in the way. Seeing how ruthless he becomes in this version, I say it shakes out.
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@@samthetheorist , but they based how he becomes on the premise that he kills Dumbledore, so, if he doesn't have enough intent to kill him in the first place, he wouldn't have become this "ruthless" version.
I think I disagree with Lupins death, Snape misses in the original story but Lupin survives anyway, meaning the Death Eater still got his shot off but Lupin never dies, so I think the Death Eater misses too
These What Ifs are basically fanfics, and I'm here for it 🤭❤
This is EXACTLY what I’ve been waiting for! THIS is what we want! Harry Potter What if’s! Give us more!
Manacled explores this exact question and it’s perfect and devastating. Yes, it’s fan fiction, but it is truly mind-blowingly good!
I NEED A WHAT IF DRACO WAS IN GRYFFINDOR!!!
I don't get this revised ending at all. Draco would have been the master of the Elder Wand ever since killing Dumbledore. Voldy *thinking* he was using the Elder Wand (while actually using someone else's) wouldn't have changed the ownership of *either* wand (Draco's original or the Elder Wand) because Voldy never defeats Draco. So... how does Harry defeating Voldy somehow make Harry the master of the Elder Wand??
Riddle me this:
If Harry Potter has a piece of Voldemort's soul inside him that grants him some of Tom's powers, then why wouldn't the basilisk obey Harry? Sure, young Voldo tells Harry in the chamber of secrets that it wouldn't, because he's not Slytherin's aire, but technically neither is he. He's just speaking parselmouth the same way Harry does...through a fragment of the real Tom's soul. So now that we've laid that down I believe Harry could have commanded the beast just like holotom. Harry never spoke to the beast did he. Nope.
32:10 He didn't defeat Draco though.
Besides Lupin’s early death, this version of the story is WAY cooler! Good job! :)
I love this theory. Excellent work SuperCarlinBrothers, keep it up!
Here's a great what if...what if Lily was sorted into Slytherin and Snape and Lily ended up together instead of James and Lily
You should do what if bellatrix’s dagger hit Harry instead of dobby. Was thinking about this the other day when I was reading deathly hallows
That line in the intro just shows how conflicted e is in his sixth year and it also shows how incredible of an actor Tom Felton is.
This should be fun.
How about.
WHAT IF RANROK WAS IN THE HARRY POTTER MOVIE SERIES ?.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
They might be scared because of controversies. EVEN THOUGH the majority of people have no problem with it because they know better.
It's like that viral video about cultural appropriation with the white guy in a sombrero. Mexicans weren't offended. Only people that weren't personally involved whatsoever were offended.
They only people upset about something JKR said in the past are people that have nothing to do with it.
It's all completely HYPOCRITICAL when you think about it because they shouldn't be covering Harry Potter AT ALL if they wanna be justice warriors.
Regardless there is a trans working The Three Broomsticks.
You killed Lupin; I will never be okay again.
That was really crazy conclusion, great work! Amazing stuff!
👏👏👏👏 I love this version! A few others have done "What if Draco killed Dumbledore?" but their answers weren't as deep or exciting. They didn't point out that it could change the 7 Potters storyline & they still had some roundabout way of Draco regretting things & quietly going against Voldemort, & in the end slightly helping Harry the way the original version went. Nobody else imagined Draco might embrace darkness & go for power himself.
I have to disagree with you on Snape killing Hedwig. It's already hard enough as it is aiming spells from a broom, it's a miracle he didn't hit Harry, and as I remember it, they all have stuffed owls to complete the picture, so unless Snape could see which one was the real live owl and was worried some other death eaters would be able too as well, there would be no need to target Hedwig specifically.
gotta love how the Elder wand's alleigance is so volatile it basically can't be solidly pinned down.
Theory Idea: What if Voldemort went after the Longbottoms instead of the Potters? Since Neville was a possible candidate for the prophecy what if he was? Does the Golden Trio become the Golden Quad? How much does Neville's lack of courage/confidence change him being the chosen one?
I wonder if Harry would even really be part of the group. He would be much more confident in the magical world (having grown up with his parents) and wouldn't have needed help from Ron or Hermoine to figure out what was going on. He might even turn out to be a bully, like James was as a kid.
@@SgtSupaman That's very possible. I also think that instead James and Lily could be driven to insanity by Bellatrix, still leading to him living with the Dursley's. He might still meet Ron on the train, and can still become friends with Hermione through that. It'll also be interesting to see if Neville's ego could be effected with being 'The Boy Who Lived'.
Hey, can you please do a video on what if James Potter survived e.g. if Voldy just stupefied him rather than killing him for whatever reason.
Lily still has to die for the prophecy but would Harry not go to the durselys? The 'mother blood' safety thing would still be in effect but James would surely stay with him. Would Sirius still go to Azkaban, would he survive the war?? It could be interesting
We shall never let Harry Potter die!
I'm 41, and I finally just watched this whole movie franchise... So hey, there's always someone who is new to it 🤣🤣
Except in that last what if we're Dumbledore killed him
I disagree with a few things.
Starting with the idea that Draco is evil.
Draco’s wand core is unicorn hair, meaning he was always destined to resist the darkness.
Evil wizards don’t have unicorn wand cores.
Even if he killed Dumbledore (to save his family, not to serve Voldemort), I don’t think Draco would wholeheartedly embrace Voldemort’s cause, just be more convincing in his pretense.
He knew that was Harry, and his apparent wishywashiness was to intentionally delay.
Draco wanted Voldemort to lose.
Later, Draco raises Scorpio without pure blood supremacy.
Not only does the unicorn wand core indicate resistance to corruption to the darkness, it also makes the most loyal wand, it can stay loyal even thru being stolen.
Unicorn wands only change loyalty when the owner wants it to change loyalty.
Draco’s wand became Harry’s wand not just because Harry stole it, but PRIMARILY because Draco wants Harry to escape, Draco wants Harry to beat Voldemort, and with Draco’s unicorn wand changing, so too the Elder Wand becomes Harry’s.
The number 1 thing to consider is the 1st thing Draco ever did to Harry… offer friendship.
Sure, it was twisted by his father’s ideology, but it was still genuine.
I just don’t see Draco trying to kill Harry, especially after Voldemort is dead.
The biggest complication is Voldemort would correctly assume Draco is the master of the Elder Wand.
So Draco does need to give Harry’s broken wand to Voldemort…
…but Harry also still needs to get Draco’s wand.
Let’s just say Draco pockets Harry’s broken wand.
After all, Harry steals Draco’s wand from Draco’s hand, not from his pocket.
This is about to get very convoluted very fast.
Draco gives Harry’s broken wand to Voldy, so if Voldy uses ANY other wand, it should work because neither of the 2 Fawkes feather core brother wands are involved.
if Voldy used his own wand, it still won’t work because one of the Fawkes wands is involved.
But let’s be real, Voldy won’t choose any wand, he’s a little scaredy cat who wants to be extra extra certain, so he wants the Elder Wand.
Of course when he learns Dumbledore had it, he’ll kill Draco to get the Elder Wand’s allegiance, except it will already be Harry’s by that point.
Is there a way Voldy does NOT kill Draco?
Yes… if and only if… an expert in wand lore (like Gregorovitch) told Voldy a wand can be won by disarming without killing (although perhaps Voldy can arrive to that conclusion on his own when he realizes Gregorovitch WAS the master of the Elder Wand, but is not now because Grindelwald STOLE the Elder Wand, becoming the master of the Elder Wand without killing the previous master… also Voldy might put the logic together that Dumbledore became the master of the Elder Wand by beating Grindelwald without killing him), then maybe Voldy surprise disarms Draco of his mother’s wand (but we also have to rely on Draco not telling Voldy that Harry stole his wand, & that the wand Draco is currently holding is his mother’s…Voldy must believe he disarmed Draco of Draco’s wand) without killing him…
…that is Draco’s only hope of survival.
Also, the spell Snape aimed at a Death Eater’s wand hand… missed…meaning it did not hit the Death Eater.
So even if Snape is aiming at a different Death Eater…
Lupin survives that night as usual.
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I love this theory, and I didn’t see the whole cunning, evil Draco thing coming, and it was awesome! Though I like to think that, had Draco actually tried to kill Dumbledore, that Dumbledore would’ve cast Avada Kedavra on himself to keep Draco’s soul intact.
What if Draco had indeed accepted Dumbledore's offer of protection on that fateful night in the Hogwarts Astronomy Tower, only for Snape to appear and employ The Killing Curse upon the elderly, already dying Hogwarts Headmaster?
Isn’t that what actually happened LOL
I have been having one of the worst days of my life today and this has been a bright spot. Thank you
I still want to know what happens to Kreacher after the Battle of Hogwarts. Did he stay at Hogwarts or leave with Harry? Would he have been around for Harry's kids? I know some people think Harry would have freed him, but Dobby is the only house-elf who we ever see/hear of even WANTING freedom, the rest of the house elves we see are completely against it.
Apologies for the slight rant, this has been bugging me for years.
One issue that I can see: wouldn’t Voldemort know what the Elder Wand looked like?
Voldemort has seen Dumbledore’s wand on numerous occasions, most recently during their epic duel at the Ministry of Magic. And Voldemort strikes me as the type to know everything he possibly could about historic magical artifacts. He also presumably knows what Draco’s wand looks like if Voldemort had ordered Draco to torture with it.
It would not be difficult for him to realize the wand is not the Elder Wand, especially since Draco is suddenly using a new wand that looks suspiciously like Dumbledore’s.
that ending; amazing
for another what if; what if Harry had an obscurus?
Ok hear me out
Bellatrix would never EVER have let Draco killing Voldemort slide. If she were in the crowd during that final duel, she would have attacked Draco the moment he began to explain himself. Voldemort was the most important thing to her and she would not have hesitated to murder Draco after she found out he orchestrated Voldemort’s demise. I’m not sure she would have actually managed to kill him but she’s an excellent duelist and she certainly would have tried.
While Bellatrix might be an excellent duelist, I don't think she survived the battle with Molly Weasley
can you do another vid on if Hogwarts Legacy is canon??
10:28 Morgan:He can do pretty great things
Ollivander:Terrible but great
Ah yes Harry Potter and the Crooked Glasses
Edit: Hairy Potter and the Crooked Glasses