My first Genesis exposure was the post-Peter Gabriel times, though, so I can't say much about Genesis outside _We Can't Dance_ , _Invisible Touch_ and _Genesis_ .
Enjoyed the video as usual. I own a 2020 G70 3.3T Sport AWD and I can confirm it is a superb vehicle. The new front with the pointy grill isn't entirely to my liking either. The older model looked far more aggressive.. The 3.3 twin turbo completely transforms the car. Performance wise, it's just a hair under a BMW M340i with a (subjective) nicer interior. It was also created by Albert Biermann, the ages long head of BMW's M division. Many journalists have commented on it's handling and driving characteristics being similar to old great BMW's as well. As for the servicing it's great. You get preferential spots & servicing at the local service centre should you take it in yourself. If not, they will send a driver to your location with another Genesis (not a Hyundai) and take yours in for servicing. When complete be it a day or a few depending on what's being done, they will come and collect it no matter where you are. Home pub... pub, work etc. Included in that is the first 4 years of servicing free. So with all the picking it up and dropping it off and the yearly services you pay not a penny. Also at car meets it gets a lot of attention as a BMW and Mercedes competitor. It really is that good. For another video go to Everyday Driver "G70 vs Giulia vs 3 Series" and check that out. Cheers!
It has to be said that the G70 is currently the oldest model in Genesis' lineup. In fact, it was one of their first models and at the time it was first introduced, they were still experimenting and testing the water. The latest G80, G90, GV70 and GV80 are huge improvements and their build quality has even impressed guys from Autogefühl, and they are strict Germans.
I stopped watching Autogefühl I think three years ago after Thomas (it was Autogefühl check marked account) personally attacked me and other commenters with his Vegan rant. I just wanted them to review cars instead of forcing their vegan religion onto others who disagree with them. I also unsubscribed from their channel and never went back.
I went on their website and had a look at the G80. Specced it up to over £60k. Maybe it's comfy, but a none too rapid, thirsty , high CO2 4 pot. Think I'd rather stick with a B58 engine instead.
First time for me hearing on genesis. Jay, the fact you've reviewed it and gave it the 👍, along with your increasing and well deserved popularity and credibity, should give the car a wee boost 👌
I live in the US and have had a G70 (sedan obviously) 3.3t rwd, for 3 years. It replaced a BMW 128i coupe manual that I adored. The G70 is decent and I chose it over a Mercedes C43 because it was more exciting to drive and way cheaper. The interior is gorgeous (I have the same as in your video). It’s a really decent car, especially at the price ($50k in the USA) but I miss a manual gearbox
@@j.a.g.8689 While I believe the ZF is a better transmission, I must say that I have no real complains with mine for daily driving, whether it is in Sport (no Sport + mode for my 2019). I wonder if the programming is different for the 2.0t and the 3.3t?
Also have a G70 in the US, but I have the 2.0T Sport MT. Bought it new for $31k in 2020, wonderful car, but dealer service has been spotty (concierge valet driver blew out my transmission - replaced under goodwill).
@@ACabral711 I was very frustrated with the dealer but something changed over the last few months and they have been great. The price you paid for yours is a steal!
@@cvandenhaute I switched dealers over valet service issues and an argument over the car needing coolant. Love the car, probably won't sell it. I don't love the terrible fuel economy, but I can't complain, every 2.0T AT loaner I get struggles to get 20 MPG and I average 23-25 with the 6MT.
I suspect this will go the same way as Infiniti. OK its a bit of a leftfield choice , but so was Infiniti. The online only concept is an error to me. Lexus are succesful as a premium sub brand because of the whole dealer and service experience and that is all part of what you associate with the brands identity, especially at the premium end where the dealer experience is so important. Genisis's online only model is devoid of this. Hopefully I am wrong and this is the new way to do thinks, but I suspect not.
I hope it doesn't... From what I gather, genesis are working on electric power trains which will definately boost sales if they are decent, and using the same platform as the ionic 5 and EV6 is a great start... Infiniti didn't have the forward plans engine wise.. I'm hoping genesis does
@@anthonydeas2173 Infiniti had fine engines, the only problem was a lack of a competitive diesel (they were using the same 3.0 Renault V6 you get in a Navara pickup), the styling was better than Genesis and they had superb dealers... and, even with the F1 sponsorship and the Vettel edition QX70, they still sold in tiny numbers.
@@richardharrold9736 I'd love a v6 coupe, or a qx30, but for some reason they still fetch decent money considering they aren't UK based anymore... I really liked the F you ethos that they had, of massive v8 and v6 petrol engines when everything else was diesel.. If the tax wasn't so high in the UK, I'd have a infiniti coupe without thinking :)
They came to the UK in 2015 so I don't know if this is a second attempt or not. Remember they sold that big saloon for £50k with the 3.8l V6 back in the day
the MB cla45 amg shooting break IS (because they still make it) the real competitor to this, which I would still choose, even a second hand one anytime instead of this.
It would be interesting to see how traffic increases on autotrader after jayemm releases a video. I find it virtually impossible to not go and have a quick look around any time he releases a video
Absolutely brilliant review. Touched all the points in a sensible manner, with both enthusiast and realistic mindset. When I lived in the US I was very curious about the G70, and wondered what the impressions of such an American Market car would be in Europe. Well done, sir
It’s still just a posh hyundai/ Kia. I bought a new Hyundai a couple of years ago… it was fantastic for the first week of ownership followed by 9 mths of pain and arrgghhh! Hyundai customer service were hopeless and when they started to play up with the warranty claims (much to the dealerships dismay), I lost faith and pushed for a refund…. Pressure from The dealer and a local motoring magazine helped…. And a full refund was achieved. Turned out that I was 1 of many with the same issue on the same car model given the same run around. I bought a VW with the refund…. Such a better night/ day experience
I absolutely love Genesis as a brand. There car's offer the luxury and beauty of the German competition, while being reliable and easy to maintain. That's why I own two!
Thanks J, too many established players in this segment,. Unless Genesis really undercut the others on price, I can't see them doing well, especially competing with their own cheaper brands, which will continue to bring better products onto the market.
Sad to see the engine is so mid. For me the design is breath of fresh air. The physical controls are plus. The sunroof rattle would drive me mad. 😡🤪😢 Nice video. Keep up the good work.
It has some styling elements of said aston (not gonna argue if thats good or bad) with volvo inspired headlights. Im not quite convinced about that yet ...
Visually the exterior reminds of something Proton we’re doing 20 years ago. Probably the worse looking car in the Genesis line up, they’re actually doing some good looking stuff. I think they let the guy ready for retirement have one last go!
Interesting car. Strange that they don't actually have a dealer network. I think that is something that they should consider. It will never really compete properly or be considered a contender until the public can go and see them touch them and drive them properly even though they will bring one to your door, and in three years time when people trade them in I suspect they will be viewed and priced like an upmarket Hyundai or Kia and will be priced accordingly. It will be interesting to see if the manufacturer will take them back in part exchange because if they don't then values will fall and in the UK at least I think the brand will fail. Time will tell. To be honest 50k buys you a lot of cars these days and I would prefer to buy a really nice second hand piece of prestige than gamble my money on something so anonymous as the Genesis.
Refreshing to see a challenger brand bringing a “wagon” to the consumer line up. My question is if the Germans can’t be compete with price … this or a top spec Mazda 6 wagon ?
Not available in Northern Ireland, no 4wd and a decent v6, depreciation of a lead balloon.....£50k buys you a v60 polestar engineered t8 which is available in northern ireland, goes well and is worth more than 50p in 5 years time
Good to see another interesting car review. Why don't manufacturers fit heating in cars any more? Or if modern cars have heating why have heated seats/steering wheel? If one is cold, why not turn the heating up?? I can understand it if we all lived in Siberia, but Surrey? I dont see any point to this car, and its endless list of settings to tweek everything just in case. Best to put energy into a decent Hyundai and win people over by hard work on basically a good car.
Interesting. I have noted a tendency for Korean cars to follow a more 'American' esthetic in general, and (being an American) I have to say I quite like the looks of it. I'm not fond of calling a slightly stretched hatchback a shooting brake (or station wagon) but that's what were stuck with these days. Overall I'm intrigued, but it's really not my sort of car. One thing I would wager; I bet it's mechanicals won't go completely to crap after 100,000 miles like both of our Audis did.
It might not be german, but I feel that the right car to compare it to is the Kia Proceed GT. In my eyes at least, it is supposed to be the more luxurious version of it. As far as I can see, there are definitely some improvements in the interior and the engine is bigger, of course. But the Kia looks a lot better from the outside. I'm curious to find out, if the handling and the overall feel while driving are comparable.
That MPG is shocking for a diesel in a slippery shape. MPG has become pretty important with the juice at 2 quid a litre. Maybe the Hybrid Volvo V60 would do all it and do all better?
To be fair Rolls used to do that 'bling' sound like a 5-series...or even a 3 series. Same sound. Not sure if they still do... Point taken though, one with which I agree.
Looked sty GV60 at the FoS this year and aside from the highly impractical white interior it was very good - very high quality. But as is the case with seemingly all new cars at the moment, they are all priced upward of £40k and are unaffordable as a result without a huge chunk of money
I recently drove the 530e touring and its a well built machine. Annoyingly with all that is going on right now, BMW don't allow you to add the desirable packages.
The C pillar has a whiff of SsangYong Stavic. I like Genesis but this one is an oddball. Pity as most shooting brake versions of sedans usually look good. Hope they bring on the Genesis X concept.
The front profile looks very much BMW and from the front Ford Focus. The grill however looks ridiculous. Inside it looks like somewhere I could be very comfortable though.
I really would have liked a G70 Shooting Brake with the pre facelift front end. I just hate the current front end as it has everything I hate from modern cars: stacked headlights, fake vents, giant grill that is mostly useless, that flat piece of glossy plastic that hides the radar and worse all is that sea of rhombuses.
Jay , reaching out to you with a request to try a Genesis GV80 , also some of the design parts in all of their line up especially the GV80 is Bentley derived,, because it's a Bentley designer working on those Genesis, cheers!
It's such a shame they discontinued Genesis Coupe when Genesis went independent from Hyundai. Also shame in general for car industry making less and less coupes. My take on hot hatchback is a hatchback that's been handled by an arsonist..
@@JayEmmOnCars there is proof of that: I think the sales figures fo the excellent Stinger 3.3t are not very good in the UK, am I wrong? Here in the US, it is doable but even with our low cost of gas, with the current prices, the abysmal mileage of the 3.3t hurts (22mpg US in average, not great)
Whether they make it or not is only relevant to them. The important bit is that they might just make waves big enough to push the indolent European manufacturers into designing and building better cars to nullify the threat.
The Kia Proceed is the downfall of this car for me, the top spec Proceed is almost as nicely equipped as this car, better looking in my opinion and as far as I know you can still get the same 1.6 TB petrol engine that’s in the genesis. The Proceed is also significantly cheaper and more practical in terms of boot space
(Edit - Maybe I'm wrong with the following - is this the Premium or the Luxury model?... It seems I'm right while taking about the base model which is confusing called the Premium - it indeed "only" has 194hp, however it seems the Luxury and Sport models get the Petrol Plus engine with the power you said. Indeed they make some very specific and almost unnoticeable changes based on various different specs and options - for example, the models which get the option of 18" wheels get Continental tyres regardless of engine choice, however on the 19" wheels, the diesel engines get Pilot Sport 4 tyres, while the petrol models get 4S's. Anyway, on to my original comment... 🤔😀🤣🤘.) Since you said this car feels "underpowered"*, are you sure this car has the 240hp you quoted it at?... As indeed, the 2.0L petrol automatic models of the G70 (saloon and "shooting brake") are shown on Wikipedia as being available Worldwide in three states of tune, 194, 242 and 249hp (while a manual 252hp model was apparently offered until 2020 - that'd be nice to see 😀),... However looking on the Genesis UK website, I only see two engines listed, the 2.0L petrol with 194hp and a 2.2L diesel with 197hp - so MAYBE that car "only" has 194hp and isn't as bad as you thought! Of course a manual option with or without the 252hp engine would surely be more lively, but anyway it is what It is (they don't seem to sell them here in Ireland anyway) 😀🤘 . *When it has more power than many of our "normal" cars! 🤔😀 ... My 08 Mazda 6 "only" has 118hp, but it's plenty quick, though a bit more power would be nice and I reckon around 200hp is loads! (In a manual car of course) 😀 .
A more diverse choice of cars on sale isn't a bad thing, but this one specifically? I strongly dislike the styling, and can't imagine a scenario in which they'll become a common sight (thankfully)
@@CarsofGlasgow there is a class action law suit in the US and 1.2m vehicles have already been recalled with the Theta II engine. Plenty of owners have suffered complete failure. My friends car had been through four services at the main dealers and they are fitting a new engine, but he has lost faith in it and will sell it on once it is repaired.
Not impressed; I drove one of these 3 months ago and it's not a patch on my 2006 Lexus GS300. In fact, I found the engine/transmission to be positively asthmatic by comparison. The comfort levels were okay - just. It cost £48,000 against £2,400 for my Lexus. I wonder what the Genesis will be like in 17 years - if it survives that long...
Will you be posting a video about the Sorento ? My father has the 1.6phev on top spec and I’d be keen to hear your opinion . He has lived with it for 6 months now and likes it a lot
@@JayEmmOnCars Thankyou for the reply, as with all of your videos I look forward to it I originally didn’t like the colour he has which is the same as the car you have but it has grown on me
The hoops the car makers have to jump through for all the different regulations applied by countries is ridiculous. All it does is make the vehicles more expensive for the alterations
Why should a tailgate beep when opening? When you open a non-powered tailgate does that beep? You've got eyes, you can see that the tailgate is opening. And flat paint? What's the deal with that? Are you expected to pay extra for the clear coat delete option? A silly trend IMHO.
After seven years of ownership of a Maserati Ghibli, I am due to take delivery of my new Genesis Electrified G80. This is very different from the car on test here, being fully designed by the new Genesis design chief Luke Donkerwolke who is the ex boss of styling at Bentley, and it shows in the shape of the G80, with everyone thinking that what it is! For value and 'bang for the buck' there really is nothing else like it on the market, the closest being the yet to be released Mercedes EQE, which for the same level of features, but certainly less performance, would be ten grand more than the near £80k I'm paying for the Genesis, which has five years warranty and free servicing included. However beyond that it does something which had become all too rare, it is a pure luxury car, not something that many exec saloons, particularly EV seem to want to offer any more.
It’s Luc Donkerwolke and that last name translates into “dark clouds” from Dutch to English. I’m afraid that will be the faith of the Genesis brand in Europe as well.
@@ludosys4903 of course we all have to hope (or at least I and their other customers!) that they become a success! They certainly have the substantial funds of Hyundai behind them, and unlike the Ill-fated Infiniti brand they are building a very relevant and distinctive stand out range of cars for the current market in Europe. Couple that with the after sales offer of five year warranty plus free servicing, and certainly in the case of G80 undercutting the competition by something like £10,000, they have all the ingredients to succeed. Finally I would draw your attention to Elon Musk and his car building outfit, which the established brands said was doomed to failure, and now by capital value that 'Tesla outfit' is one of world's largest car manufacturers, with the Model 3 being one of the best selling EV's!
We have it in the US, I have owned one for 3 years and it is a sweetheart. I just wish it sounded better, it is quite and the G70 does not have the same aftermarket exhaust options offered to the Stinger (Borla)
@@cvandenhaute Interesting about the exhaust. I wish we got it in the Europe. If I were to import it from the US, I'd have to pay ~40k USD for all taxes...
@@bartoszmiki6774 As much as I love my G70 3.3t, it is not worth that hassle, either go for a Stinger GT or for a used M340i (that still offers a better engine and gearbox - I just don't care for the rest of the car given its price tag)
If that engine is a variant of the Hyundai Theta unit, it's a terrible thing, catastrophically unreliable and prone to setting the cars on fire. There have been deaths and lawsuits in the US but Hyundai/Kia are basically stonewalling.
My first Genesis exposure was the post-Peter Gabriel times, though, so I can't say much about Genesis outside _We Can't Dance_ , _Invisible Touch_ and _Genesis_ .
great, a genesis dad joke
Home by the sea
Invisible Touch is such an underrated album.
Phil Collins with Genesis or without is one of the greatest artists ever.
@@Fairburne69 was. Poor bloke is crippled now.
Enjoyed the video as usual. I own a 2020 G70 3.3T Sport AWD and I can confirm it is a superb vehicle. The new front with the pointy grill isn't entirely to my liking either. The older model looked far more aggressive.. The 3.3 twin turbo completely transforms the car. Performance wise, it's just a hair under a BMW M340i with a (subjective) nicer interior. It was also created by Albert Biermann, the ages long head of BMW's M division. Many journalists have commented on it's handling and driving characteristics being similar to old great BMW's as well. As for the servicing it's great. You get preferential spots & servicing at the local service centre should you take it in yourself. If not, they will send a driver to your location with another Genesis (not a Hyundai) and take yours in for servicing. When complete be it a day or a few depending on what's being done, they will come and collect it no matter where you are. Home pub... pub, work etc. Included in that is the first 4 years of servicing free. So with all the picking it up and dropping it off and the yearly services you pay not a penny. Also at car meets it gets a lot of attention as a BMW and Mercedes competitor. It really is that good. For another video go to Everyday Driver "G70 vs Giulia vs 3 Series" and check that out. Cheers!
This is just reminding me again that I really wish they made a manual Stinger. Those E39 M5 vibes, manual super saloon (/hatch)
It has to be said that the G70 is currently the oldest model in Genesis' lineup. In fact, it was one of their first models and at the time it was first introduced, they were still experimenting and testing the water. The latest G80, G90, GV70 and GV80 are huge improvements and their build quality has even impressed guys from Autogefühl, and they are strict Germans.
If you would, you could consider the Hyundai Genesis Coupe as the previous generations of the G70
I stopped watching Autogefühl I think three years ago after Thomas (it was Autogefühl check marked account) personally attacked me and other commenters with his Vegan rant. I just wanted them to review cars instead of forcing their vegan religion onto others who disagree with them. I also unsubscribed from their channel and never went back.
@@plugsocket9432 100% on your side.
I went on their website and had a look at the G80. Specced it up to over £60k. Maybe it's comfy, but a none too rapid, thirsty , high CO2 4 pot. Think I'd rather stick with a B58 engine instead.
@@plugsocket9432 me too, long live T-bones
First time for me hearing on genesis.
Jay, the fact you've reviewed it and gave it the 👍, along with your increasing and well deserved popularity and credibity, should give the car a wee boost 👌
I live in the US and have had a G70 (sedan obviously) 3.3t rwd, for 3 years. It replaced a BMW 128i coupe manual that I adored. The G70 is decent and I chose it over a Mercedes C43 because it was more exciting to drive and way cheaper. The interior is gorgeous (I have the same as in your video). It’s a really decent car, especially at the price ($50k in the USA) but I miss a manual gearbox
I've been driving the 2.0t for a week and while I like the car I find the transmission isn't smooth.
@@j.a.g.8689 While I believe the ZF is a better transmission, I must say that I have no real complains with mine for daily driving, whether it is in Sport (no Sport + mode for my 2019). I wonder if the programming is different for the 2.0t and the 3.3t?
Also have a G70 in the US, but I have the 2.0T Sport MT. Bought it new for $31k in 2020, wonderful car, but dealer service has been spotty (concierge valet driver blew out my transmission - replaced under goodwill).
@@ACabral711 I was very frustrated with the dealer but something changed over the last few months and they have been great. The price you paid for yours is a steal!
@@cvandenhaute I switched dealers over valet service issues and an argument over the car needing coolant. Love the car, probably won't sell it. I don't love the terrible fuel economy, but I can't complain, every 2.0T AT loaner I get struggles to get 20 MPG and I average 23-25 with the 6MT.
In the USA, the entire Genesis Line represents Great Value, especially the G80.
I suspect this will go the same way as Infiniti. OK its a bit of a leftfield choice , but so was Infiniti. The online only concept is an error to me. Lexus are succesful as a premium sub brand because of the whole dealer and service experience and that is all part of what you associate with the brands identity, especially at the premium end where the dealer experience is so important. Genisis's online only model is devoid of this. Hopefully I am wrong and this is the new way to do thinks, but I suspect not.
I hope it doesn't... From what I gather, genesis are working on electric power trains which will definately boost sales if they are decent, and using the same platform as the ionic 5 and EV6 is a great start...
Infiniti didn't have the forward plans engine wise.. I'm hoping genesis does
@@anthonydeas2173 Infiniti had fine engines, the only problem was a lack of a competitive diesel (they were using the same 3.0 Renault V6 you get in a Navara pickup), the styling was better than Genesis and they had superb dealers... and, even with the F1 sponsorship and the Vettel edition QX70, they still sold in tiny numbers.
@@richardharrold9736 I'd love a v6 coupe, or a qx30, but for some reason they still fetch decent money considering they aren't UK based anymore... I really liked the F you ethos that they had, of massive v8 and v6 petrol engines when everything else was diesel.. If the tax wasn't so high in the UK, I'd have a infiniti coupe without thinking :)
They came to the UK in 2015 so I don't know if this is a second attempt or not. Remember they sold that big saloon for £50k with the 3.8l V6 back in the day
@@CarsofGlasgow the old Hyundai Genesis V6/V8 saloon never came here, it was LHD only made for the Korean and US markets.
the MB cla45 amg shooting break IS (because they still make it) the real competitor to this, which I would still choose, even a second hand one anytime instead of this.
that is a good point, do they do a CLA 35 amg version of the shooting brake?
It would be interesting to see how traffic increases on autotrader after jayemm releases a video. I find it virtually impossible to not go and have a quick look around any time he releases a video
Absolutely brilliant review. Touched all the points in a sensible manner, with both enthusiast and realistic mindset.
When I lived in the US I was very curious about the G70, and wondered what the impressions of such an American Market car would be in Europe. Well done, sir
Get a room!
It’s still just a posh hyundai/ Kia.
I bought a new Hyundai a couple of years ago… it was fantastic for the first week of ownership followed by 9 mths of pain and arrgghhh! Hyundai customer service were hopeless and when they started to play up with the warranty claims (much to the dealerships dismay), I lost faith and pushed for a refund…. Pressure from The dealer and a local motoring magazine helped…. And a full refund was achieved. Turned out that I was 1 of many with the same issue on the same car model given the same run around.
I bought a VW with the refund…. Such a better night/ day experience
I’ve still only 1 Genesis in the wild on the roads since they arrived in 2016
I’m sure all 25 people will enjoy this car, as nice as it is. PPL will choose German over all else, even at a higher price.
If that was the case then Dacia would be out of business.
@@purple-porker Dacia is a super budget brand, Genesis is looking to poach buyers from Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz...
@@purple-porker What does Dacia have to do with being premium?
@@purple-porker You don't need to say the first thing that comes into your head out loud.
@@CarsofGlasgow I don't know. I'm not sure what I meant.
I absolutely love Genesis as a brand. There car's offer the luxury and beauty of the German competition, while being reliable and easy to maintain. That's why I own two!
Are you in America?
@@CarsofGlasgow Dubai
I assume more Saville Row as opposed to a certain Jimmy.....🤔🤣
Now then! Now then!
Thanks J, too many established players in this segment,. Unless Genesis really undercut the others on price, I can't see them doing well, especially competing with their own cheaper brands, which will continue to bring better products onto the market.
How can that look so good? Just......wowie 😳
Sad to see the engine is so mid. For me the design is breath of fresh air. The physical controls are plus. The sunroof rattle would drive me mad. 😡🤪😢 Nice video. Keep up the good work.
I have a g80 and yeah the sunroof pisses me off. Besides that it’s the best car ever
It has some styling elements of said aston (not gonna argue if thats good or bad) with volvo inspired headlights. Im not quite convinced about that yet ...
Haha. "...small alloy wheels..." How times have changed when 18" is now considered small...
Have we hit "peak wheel" yet?
I couldn’t agree more about confusing styling with style which is a shame because the overall package looks pretty good.
Visually the exterior reminds of something Proton we’re doing 20 years ago. Probably the worse looking car in the Genesis line up, they’re actually doing some good looking stuff. I think they let the guy ready for retirement have one last go!
This isn't as bad as the GV60 though. That, IMO, is the ugliest new EV on sale. It's even worse than those BMW iX.
I love the Genesis design language!
So much working room under the hood I love it.
Interesting car. Strange that they don't actually have a dealer network. I think that is something that they should consider. It will never really compete properly or be considered a contender until the public can go and see them touch them and drive them properly even though they will bring one to your door, and in three years time when people trade them in I suspect they will be viewed and priced like an upmarket Hyundai or Kia and will be priced accordingly. It will be interesting to see if the manufacturer will take them back in part exchange because if they don't then values will fall and in the UK at least I think the brand will fail. Time will tell. To be honest 50k buys you a lot of cars these days and I would prefer to buy a really nice second hand piece of prestige than gamble my money on something so anonymous as the Genesis.
maybe they are trying to be Tesla?
Refreshing to see a challenger brand bringing a “wagon” to the consumer line up.
My question is if the Germans can’t be compete with price … this or a top spec Mazda 6 wagon ?
'Diversity is our strength'
Until you're queuing up at the Jobcentre.
Not available in Northern Ireland, no 4wd and a decent v6, depreciation of a lead balloon.....£50k buys you a v60 polestar engineered t8 which is available in northern ireland, goes well and is worth more than 50p in 5 years time
well said!
About the beeping sound. I agree, and I'd also like to point out that the Bugatti Veyron made the same beeping sounds as a Golf.
Good to see another interesting car review. Why don't manufacturers fit heating in cars any more? Or if modern cars have heating why have heated seats/steering wheel? If one is cold, why not turn the heating up?? I can understand it if we all lived in Siberia, but Surrey? I dont see any point to this car, and its endless list of settings to tweek everything just in case. Best to put energy into a decent Hyundai and win people over by hard work on basically a good car.
Interesting. I have noted a tendency for Korean cars to follow a more 'American' esthetic in general, and (being an American) I have to say I quite like the looks of it. I'm not fond of calling a slightly stretched hatchback a shooting brake (or station wagon) but that's what were stuck with these days. Overall I'm intrigued, but it's really not my sort of car. One thing I would wager; I bet it's mechanicals won't go completely to crap after 100,000 miles like both of our Audis did.
It might not be german, but I feel that the right car to compare it to is the Kia Proceed GT. In my eyes at least, it is supposed to be the more luxurious version of it. As far as I can see, there are definitely some improvements in the interior and the engine is bigger, of course. But the Kia looks a lot better from the outside. I'm curious to find out, if the handling and the overall feel while driving are comparable.
That MPG is shocking for a diesel in a slippery shape. MPG has become pretty important with the juice at 2 quid a litre. Maybe the Hybrid Volvo V60 would do all it and do all better?
It's not diesel?
@@JayEmmOnCars Did I say it was?
To be fair Rolls used to do that 'bling' sound like a 5-series...or even a 3 series. Same sound. Not sure if they still do...
Point taken though, one with which I agree.
I had a very well specified Skoda Superb a few years back. This reminds me of that. Skoda never rattled mind you.!
Europe has (well, had) the Optima Wagon, and now this. I'm jelly.
Nobody really bought Optima's in the UK weirdly
Mate, that car has been hit with an ugly stick and that's after being designed by Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles. 😂😂😂 Blessings from Berlin.
I'd buy one.
Looked sty GV60 at the FoS this year and aside from the highly impractical white interior it was very good - very high quality. But as is the case with seemingly all new cars at the moment, they are all priced upward of £40k and are unaffordable as a result without a huge chunk of money
Oh I sat in the neon yellow with the blue interior on Electric avenue (that one was £60k)
When they add the V6, it will become a very interesting car.
At £50k they are trying to take on the big boys.
I think my £50k company car allowance would go in the BMW 530e direction 🤔
that would make sense for BIK
I recently drove the 530e touring and its a well built machine. Annoyingly with all that is going on right now, BMW don't allow you to add the desirable packages.
The side on profile looks like the old IS200 estate
Love the interior tbh, very surprised but this motor overall, well done Genesis 🫡
That's a brave comment to make about genisus lol 😆. Peter Gabriel years were better in my opinion too though
Do you thing this is going to hit the big time? Sledgehammer the competition?
it looks like a modern day version of the station wagon from national lampoons vacation.
As an Idea, I think it could be well compared to the VW Arteon Shootingbrake. In terms of size, engine power etc. it should fit.
The C pillar has a whiff of SsangYong Stavic.
I like Genesis but this one is an oddball. Pity as most shooting brake versions of sedans usually look good.
Hope they bring on the Genesis X concept.
Been waiting for this one
It reminds me of Lexus IS200/300 SportCross from 2002-2005.
The front profile looks very much BMW and from the front Ford Focus. The grill however looks ridiculous. Inside it looks like somewhere I could be very comfortable though.
I do like it, I like the front and back. It is a shame about the engine, but then, the stinger engine isn't exactly brilliant or reliable.
In theory you should be able to put the i30N map on it, given its the same engine. So 270bhp would give it a little extra kick.
Yeah, but have they textured the dash so it reflects onto the screen in sunlight? I’d sure miss that irritating feature. NOT.
Saville Silver! Someone didn't do their homework at Genesis
The logo looks like something from GTA? Jesus Jay ... that's got me baffled, no idea what you're seeing there mate
The beep of the tailgate is the same as our old ‘15 Santa Fe 🤔😅
I believe the pronunciation He-oon-die like Sunday. It must be an European thing just like the American pronunciation of Porsche and Jaguar. lol
Yep.
Incredible design!
I really would have liked a G70 Shooting Brake with the pre facelift front end. I just hate the current front end as it has everything I hate from modern cars: stacked headlights, fake vents, giant grill that is mostly useless, that flat piece of glossy plastic that hides the radar and worse all is that sea of rhombuses.
Ooh I wish we got this in the US, it wouldn't sell though, wagons simply don't sell, I'd buy one if I had the funds.... But I don't
It would be interesting if they loaded a Kia Stinger engine into one of these. Mighty fine car though, and well done to the Koreans!
Another cool Korean car that we don't get in Korea! Sigh....
Jay , reaching out to you with a request to try a Genesis GV80 , also some of the design parts in all of their line up especially the GV80 is Bentley derived,, because it's a Bentley designer working on those Genesis, cheers!
It's such a shame they discontinued Genesis Coupe when Genesis went independent from Hyundai. Also shame in general for car industry making less and less coupes. My take on hot hatchback is a hatchback that's been handled by an arsonist..
Putting that turbo 6 in here would be such a slam dunk. Maybe they're saving for next model year (fingers crossed)
Na, I just don't think they can get the numbers to work
@@JayEmmOnCars there is proof of that: I think the sales figures fo the excellent Stinger 3.3t are not very good in the UK, am I wrong? Here in the US, it is doable but even with our low cost of gas, with the current prices, the abysmal mileage of the 3.3t hurts (22mpg US in average, not great)
It must be Genesis day today. Doug has dropped a Genesis video too.
that GV60 had a very modern looking interior by comparison
I had no idea genesis made estates am I the only one
Do you like Phil Collins?
Wait, what brands have left the UK/Europe as of late?
I saw saloon version on the road last week. Looked good.
Whether they make it or not is only relevant to them. The important bit is that they might just make waves big enough to push the indolent European manufacturers into designing and building better cars to nullify the threat.
I can see this selling well in Indonesia.
The Kia Proceed is the downfall of this car for me, the top spec Proceed is almost as nicely equipped as this car, better looking in my opinion and as far as I know you can still get the same 1.6 TB petrol engine that’s in the genesis. The Proceed is also significantly cheaper and more practical in terms of boot space
(Edit - Maybe I'm wrong with the following - is this the Premium or the Luxury model?...
It seems I'm right while taking about the base model which is confusing called the Premium - it indeed "only" has 194hp, however it seems the Luxury and Sport models get the Petrol Plus engine with the power you said.
Indeed they make some very specific and almost unnoticeable changes based on various different specs and options - for example, the models which get the option of 18" wheels get Continental tyres regardless of engine choice, however on the 19" wheels, the diesel engines get Pilot Sport 4 tyres, while the petrol models get 4S's.
Anyway, on to my original comment... 🤔😀🤣🤘.)
Since you said this car feels "underpowered"*, are you sure this car has the 240hp you quoted it at?...
As indeed, the 2.0L petrol automatic models of the G70 (saloon and "shooting brake") are shown on Wikipedia as being available Worldwide in three states of tune, 194, 242 and 249hp (while a manual 252hp model was apparently offered until 2020 - that'd be nice to see 😀),...
However looking on the Genesis UK website, I only see two engines listed, the 2.0L petrol with 194hp and a 2.2L diesel with 197hp - so MAYBE that car "only" has 194hp and isn't as bad as you thought!
Of course a manual option with or without the 252hp engine would surely be more lively, but anyway it is what It is (they don't seem to sell them here in Ireland anyway) 😀🤘 .
*When it has more power than many of our "normal" cars! 🤔😀 ...
My 08 Mazda 6 "only" has 118hp, but it's plenty quick, though a bit more power would be nice and I reckon around 200hp is loads! (In a manual car of course) 😀 .
Phil Collins MADE Genesis.
Sad that it needs an engine tuning upgrade out the box.
This looks quite interesting, hopefully they make a manual saloon or coupé too! 🤔😯😀🤘 .
Nice car, I like the brand as love Hyundai, but I think the front is a mess, it looks like a ford
Ideal for Mr & Mrs Bland…
A more diverse choice of cars on sale isn't a bad thing, but this one specifically? I strongly dislike the styling, and can't imagine a scenario in which they'll become a common sight (thankfully)
Why would you choose this over a C-Class estate? It's not even particularly cheaper?
Looks like a Ssanyong had a baby with a Citroen.
Looks like an extended Lexus CT200h
I agree, the engine is the weak point. My friends Stinger 2.0 shit itself at 13k miles. It seems a fair few drop number 3 piston rings.
that is ridiculous
@@CarsofGlasgow there is a class action law suit in the US and 1.2m vehicles have already been recalled with the Theta II engine. Plenty of owners have suffered complete failure. My friends car had been through four services at the main dealers and they are fitting a new engine, but he has lost faith in it and will sell it on once it is repaired.
Not impressed; I drove one of these 3 months ago and it's not a patch on my 2006 Lexus GS300. In fact, I found the engine/transmission to be positively asthmatic by comparison. The comfort levels were okay - just. It cost £48,000 against £2,400 for my Lexus. I wonder what the Genesis will be like in 17 years - if it survives that long...
Saville silver...... might have been better to name a Gold colour with that name 😅
Great video bro very faiir review
Like the grill 😋 👌
The Cadillac grille is more like RX-8 grille.
The MPG is absolutely shocking, when im getting 40mpg from my 1997 SAAB 9000 2.3T Aero with 317bhp. 25yrs older than this thing.
I was thinking that too! My old 2007 IS 250 got 38mpg in combined driving and that had the camera and cooled seats etc
Very common here in Saudi
Will you be posting a video about the Sorento ? My father has the 1.6phev on top spec and I’d be keen to hear your opinion .
He has lived with it for 6 months now and likes it a lot
Yes, that's getting edited soon
@@JayEmmOnCars Thankyou for the reply, as with all of your videos I look forward to it
I originally didn’t like the colour he has which is the same as the car you have but it has grown on me
The hoops the car makers have to jump through for all the different regulations applied by countries is ridiculous. All it does is make the vehicles more expensive for the alterations
Why should a tailgate beep when opening? When you open a non-powered tailgate does that beep? You've got eyes, you can see that the tailgate is opening. And flat paint? What's the deal with that? Are you expected to pay extra for the clear coat delete option? A silly trend IMHO.
It’s a satin paint… that’s a deliberate finish. Just get a normal gloss paint if you want that
@@youraveragejoe1 I am aware, still think it's silly.
After seven years of ownership of a Maserati Ghibli, I am due to take delivery of my new Genesis Electrified G80. This is very different from the car on test here, being fully designed by the new Genesis design chief Luke Donkerwolke who is the ex boss of styling at Bentley, and it shows in the shape of the G80, with everyone thinking that what it is!
For value and 'bang for the buck' there really is nothing else like it on the market, the closest being the yet to be released Mercedes EQE, which for the same level of features, but certainly less performance, would be ten grand more than the near £80k I'm paying for the Genesis, which has five years warranty and free servicing included.
However beyond that it does something which had become all too rare, it is a pure luxury car, not something that many exec saloons, particularly EV seem to want to offer any more.
It’s Luc Donkerwolke and that last name translates into “dark clouds” from Dutch to English. I’m afraid that will be the faith of the Genesis brand in Europe as well.
@@ludosys4903 of course we all have to hope (or at least I and their other customers!) that they become a success! They certainly have the substantial funds of Hyundai behind them, and unlike the Ill-fated Infiniti brand they are building a very relevant and distinctive stand out range of cars for the current market in Europe. Couple that with the after sales offer of five year warranty plus free servicing, and certainly in the case of G80 undercutting the competition by something like £10,000, they have all the ingredients to succeed.
Finally I would draw your attention to Elon Musk and his car building outfit, which the established brands said was doomed to failure, and now by capital value that 'Tesla outfit' is one of world's largest car manufacturers, with the Model 3 being one of the best selling EV's!
I wonder if they will offer the 3.3T as it's also in Kia Stinger
that's the sad part, this car seems like it was designed for the 3.3T, but I don't think it'll be released here due to emissions regs
For fleetwide emission standards, probably not. It’s the same reason why the G80, GV70 and GV80 won’t get the twin-turbo 3.5l V6 in Europe either.
We have it in the US, I have owned one for 3 years and it is a sweetheart. I just wish it sounded better, it is quite and the G70 does not have the same aftermarket exhaust options offered to the Stinger (Borla)
@@cvandenhaute Interesting about the exhaust. I wish we got it in the Europe. If I were to import it from the US, I'd have to pay ~40k USD for all taxes...
@@bartoszmiki6774 As much as I love my G70 3.3t, it is not worth that hassle, either go for a Stinger GT or for a used M340i (that still offers a better engine and gearbox - I just don't care for the rest of the car given its price tag)
If that engine is a variant of the Hyundai Theta unit, it's a terrible thing, catastrophically unreliable and prone to setting the cars on fire. There have been deaths and lawsuits in the US but Hyundai/Kia are basically stonewalling.
Nice car
Bentley?