@@patrickcromwell7554 Agreed. But, then again, I think that a better comparison would’ve been Quicksilver. Unless Jen has already forgotten who he is, if that’s the case, then it was a good call. XD
@@patrickcromwell7554 as i said in part one in the movie Barry doesn't even know The Flash. He doesn't hear that name until the CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover which is set after the JL theatrical i assume movie.
@@cykesrevenge Dude, I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you might be responding to the wrong person. I don't remember commenting anything about Flash.
This is one of the few instances in existence where people reference characters from The Boys when they see a Dc character that resembles them and not the other way around because Jen watched The Boys first lol
For Jen, Darkseid is definitely more powerful than Thanos. He is nicknamed the "God of Evil" and beside that he is considered as an actual god. He is considerably stronger, faster, more intelligent, and more evil or ruthless than Thanos. And that’s comparing both without their later acquire powers like the Omega beams+AntiLife vs Thanos with his Infinity Gauntlet. Also, creator of Thanos actually based his character on Darkseid.
Wow! Holden went from a 7/10 to an 8.5/10. And I honestly didn't think Jen would enjoy it as much as she did. I really felt it when she said it was frustrating to know they don't have plans to continue. I 100% agree
To answer Holden’s question Darkseid came first and Thanos was based on Darkseid (Kirby based Darkseid off the nightmares he had about Adolf Hitler when he fought in WW2). Also Darkseid’s not really a Superman villain, people only really think that because of the animated series. He’s actually a New Gods villain and occasional Justice League villain in fact he didn’t even first fight Superman until a full 16 years after his debut.
The reason why Victors father died like that was cause he superheated the motherbox so the league could track it. He most likely would have been killed anyway by Steppenwolf. He died on his own terms instead of possibly being offed by Steppenwolf.
@FoxRNG No, part of his personality is still reminiscent of Barry from the comics, he just has some Wally West traits, but things like the creative way he uses his abilities, his scientific mind and obviously his backstory, it's completely like Barry Allen.
At the Speed of Force was one of the first scenes that Whedon and Johns cut because "it didn't make sense." Years later it wins an Oscar. The amount of L's for WB is staggering.
lol I mean the first few seasons of CW show were great but after that it went woke cringe, just like the rest of the CW shows. but you can't deny Grant Gustin is perfect casting and I hope they go with him for future instalments.
I really like how Jen appreciates and understood what Snyder was trying to do and convey with emotions and story and enjoyed the things most people complained about. Her liking Henry’s version of Superman and having a good emotional range when people complained his Superman was mopey and depressing. And she liked the Black suit. How she felt afraid and understood how powerful Steppenwolf was. How Cyborg was the heart of the movie and has a great character development.
The complaints about Henry's Cavill Superman always baffled me. People have been complaining for years that Superman is a boring character because he is so powerful that he barely has any challenges. Snyder understood that and decided to go with emotional challenges, which works before imo for a new Superman and yet many people complains this is not Superman. So if I get it right, people don't like Superman for being boring, but they want him to stay in that states? Ugh
It's easier to understand and appreciate what Snyder did if you don't have expectations about characters and choices coming into the movie. One of the issues with Snyders films was fans had decades of exposure to a lot of these characters and he gave extremely different versions. It works if you aren't a hardcore DC fan.
@@trevorphilips9065 Yea thats what I said lol. If you are open to interpretations of characters his material works. Problem was a lot of people were not.
Also go back and see Man of Steel and when Superman is caught under the World Engine that’s on the opposite side of the planet causing the terraforming, as he summons the power to take flight to destroy it Zack superimposed Christopher Reeves face over Henry Cavils face. Zack knows his history and his reverence to the original is just classy
@@tonysoto8949 also Zack Snyder saw the General Hennix/Martian Manhunter fan theories on Twitter and decided to make it Canon So now looking back it makes sense why Superman personally wanted to speak to him as Clark knew he was an alien (His x-ray vision)
Speaking of the music in this movie, I love the scene where the team is coming up with idea to resurrect Superman is you hear the Hanz Zimmer Superman theme slowly and quietly building to where it fully emerges as the team, and you the audience realize what they need to do when Cyborg puts up the hologram. Such a good movie scoring moment right there
So glad you guys mentioned the music. How did they make the heroes walking up a subterranean staircase so badass? The way it built tension to their first fight as a team.
it had me laughing actually bc it was good battle music...set to these people in silly costumes slowly climbing down some stairs in the dark. it just broke me out of the scene entirely
Silas death makes sense, Steppenwolf caught up to him as soon as he was about to heat the box there was really no way out for him, plus it’s foreshadowed when Arthur mentions the saying about “not without giving up one in return” they got Superman back but at the cost of Victors father
Something that I find myself having to explain to people when they compare DC and Marvel is that Marvel makes superhero movies, meaning they're action movies with superheroes as the stand-ins, DC (more specifically, Zack Snyder) is making graphic novel films, both are based off of comic book characters, but DC/ZS focuses more on the aspect that represent the look and feel of graphic novels rather than the action or quippy parts like MCU does. This is why ZS has moments in his films that are almost direct representations of comic book panels. Not saying either one is wrong or bad, just stating that this is why you can't really accurately compare the 2 universes. Also, Darkseid came first, so Thanos would technically be Marvel's version of Darkseid. Also, as Jen kind of thought at first, Deadpool is a parody of Deathstroke, Deathstroke wears black and orange and is a mercenary who uses swords and guns and Deadpool is the same except he wears red and black. Deathstroke is super serious and intimidating whereas Deapool is not. Deathstroke's name is Slade Wilson and Deadpool's name is Wade Wilson. I really enjoyed this reaction a lot. I would love to see Jen Hardman react to the DC animated films like The Flashpoint Paradox, Justice League War, The Dark Knight Returns Parts 1 & 2, Son of Batman, Batman Vs. Robin, and many more, I feel like those are great storylines that hardly get any attention from reactors, I think they will be very interesting to see you two watch.
i m quite jealous of Jen. she got to watch this first. we had to watch the Josstice League raged, waited and begged to get the Synder Cut. I cant wait till she watches the Josstice League
I feel like you get more satisfaction from Snyder’s movie if you previously watched Josstice Leage to see how incredibly bad that was and give a proverbial middle finger to all of that.
Absolutely love this movie. Even without the music in some of the scenes my body will always break out in chills. This movie is everything I want in a superhero movie.
As a DC fan, I really love what Zack Snyder has done with his DC Trilogy and I sincerely hope that the SnyderVerse is restored. I just wish WB would get a clue and see that what Zack has done is amazing and deserves to continue. I love that Marvel is doing so well on film these days (took them a few decades) but DC characters can still be awesome at the same time. One doesn't have to suck for the other to be good. I read both DC and Marvel as well as Image and I want all of them to succeed because they all have great characters. Who would have thought that Lex Luthor wouldn't turn out to be as much of a villain to the DC Universe as Warner Bros...
Actually, James Wan, director of the Aquaman movie, went off making Aquaman after seeing Zack Snyder's rough cut before doing his movie, as Joss Wheden had not yet been hired when he began production on it. So Aquaman the movie fits in better with this version than with the theatrical version.
Don't give up hope for a sequel! The WB-Discovery Merger just happened yesterday! They are finally in the position to change things up and correct the course!
The reason why SttepenWolf only tries to intimidate Wonder Woman is because of all Justice League's members she was the only one he considered truly worthy of fighting with, because besides being an amazon she has the blood of Zeus, and the last time Darkseid came to Earth the old gods were indispensable to his defeat, so he knew that because she was half amazon and half goddess she was the most formidable of them all.
FUN FACT: The cop that Cyborg saved from the tank is actor Marc McClure, who played the original Jimmy Olsen in all 4 of the Christopher Reeve Superman films.
(16:21) and that point, Ezra Miller’s Barry Allen accidently went to the Speed Force and met his doppleganger. Grant Gustin’s Barry Allen, courtesy of "Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 4" on Arrow Season 8
No actually not a good idea. These movies belong in a movie theater not a streaming service. That’s offensive to the talent that were in this movie who are not streaming service talent. After a theatrical showing then as always it will go to a a steaming service.
Well, Ben is done with Batman, WB burned their bridge with Henry, Ray burned his bridge with WB, and WB is on the verge of blacklisting Ezra. Not to mention Amber seems to be a trash human. I just don't see part 2 ever happening at this point.
I absolutely love this movie even though I’m not a big fan of the rest of the DCEU movies. I wish they would continue it to see Darkseid come to earth and see how it unfolds.
Yeah I’m the same. There were components of the other DCEU movies I liked, but overall never was a fan. I didn’t care about Zack Snyder making this version, but after it got so many great reviews I thought I should check it out and wasn’t disappointed. I was bummed at the end that we weren’t getting a continuation. Maybe it will happen now considering the positive reception. Also, seeing Martian Manhunter got me pumped, never thought he would make an appearance. 👍👍
Regarding the scene where Wonder Woman saves the hostages, the bomb was going to blow up "four city blocks", whereas WW eventually only took out one wall of one building when she stopped the guy who was going to murder lots of children and some adults. She'd already stopped a hail of bullets, but the terrorist reloaded so was clearly going to keep trying to kill the hostages, and I think it's reasonable to have some doubt that WW could stop every single one of the bullets if he fires again, even though she managed to save everyone the first time... So in that context I think it's fine for her to prioritise stopping the terrorist immediately over part of the building staying intact (which she may be able to help rebuild after the terrorist has been dealt with).
Yeah I agree I feel like it's pretty obvious, she stopped the bomb from killing loads of people by stopping the bomb and then just blew up a wall. I don't see how that's a problem he'd have but I do think WW coulda speed blitz'd him while he was reloading and avoided blowing anything up
@@Impulse1912 She's fast enough to stop each individual bullet. I honestly thought that she should have been able to stop him in the time he took to realize "oh, she stopped my bullet", process that while he lowers his weapon a little, switch it to auto mode and re-raise it, and then start firing again. And thankfully, nobody on the street was seriously injured with all the rubble from the wall that was going everywhere.
In regard to the runtime. I think the 4 hours was needed because the fans truly ask for the full Zack Snyder JL experience and so if he trimmed any of that runtime off for the sake of better flow, (which I agree this movie would benefit from) the super hardcore Snyderverse fans would still be petitioning for the real real ZSJL cut.
Remember that the original plan was for there to be TWO Justice League movies, part one was supposed to end with Superman coming back, then part two was meant to come out later. But WB meddled (shocker) and made Zach condense it into one film.
@@SFascetta777 I do remember that the DC slate from 2015 said a part 1 and part 2 to JL but I thought the part two would’ve been what we don’t see in this cut. Darkseid’s attempted invasion of earth, a possible extended nightmare sequence with evil Superman, and the final battle to kill darkseid. Zack has a history of making much longer movies then cutting 30 minutes or more on the editing floor so it wouldn’t surprise me if this was only suppose to be part 1 but a theatrical run of it would’ve been 3 hrs- 3hrs 15 min long.
@@BichaeldeAngelo I have to wonder if Affleck was already beginning to voice his concern with continuing the role and the toll that was taking on his mental health. I think if that was the case, killing him off in a grand sacrifice would honestly be a really interesting play, then we could focus on a justice league that for once isn’t so Batman centric and it would also allow for the flashpoint movie to do a much better job integrating a new Batman, Pattinson or whoever it might’ve been.
Fun fact: the final scene of Aquaman getting in a truck was filmed in my home province of Newfoundland, Canada! You can tell by the license plate. Newfoundland has been seeing more film and television production, Jason Momoa has actually been to NL before to film the show Frontier, and they recently filmed parts of the new Peter Pan and Wendy movie here as well!
To clarify, Holden fixed the audio in this by painstakingly aligning every applicable song on the soundtrack to the exact kilobyte and inverting it, causing the perceived audio not to have any music. This only works with tracks that have at least one instrument mixed in the center channel because of the way inversions handle stereo. The other side effect is that the remaining audio sounds bubbly due to the inverted audio overlapping any part of the track at the same frequency
34:55 that was in the late 80s, the Robin at the time was Jason Todd, the 2nd Robin, it was because he was very similar to Dick Grayson, the 1st Robin, who was the superhero Nightwing by that point, the story became known as "A Death In The Family", though Jason was later resurrected and became the Red Hood (which is an identity Joker used in one of his many origins, this is actually his origin story that is used the most), where he went around killing criminals, which made him remembered as Batman's greatest failure and the failed Robin, there's actually an animated movie from 2010 called "Batman: Under The Red Hood", which tells this story very well, it's on HBO Max, I'd recommend it. but in the DCEU, Zack Snyder had planned on Dick Grayson being the dead Robin instead, which if Zack's vision had happened, then we wouldn't have gotten Nightwing because Dick would have been dead, and we wouldn't have gotten Red Hood because after Dick's death, Bruce would have never taken Jason in, and Jason then wouldn't have died from the Joker and come back later as the Red Hood, the only reason Zack wanted Dick dead was because Dick's death would have impacted Bruce way more than Jason's would have, which is why Bruce goes to killing his villains, but I don't personally agree with Dick being the dead Robin, but since Batman V Superman and Zack's Justice League don't mention the name of the dead Robin, I guess it can still be left up to interpretation.
The niggle for me is, the Martha & Lois scene. It loses it's impact when it's revealed to be Martian Manhunter. If Lois mentions the talk in passing then the surprise when Martha doesn't know what she's talking about.
Pretty certain that entire apartment scene with Lois and Martha talking was originally filmed material with the intention this was really Martha, the immediately following reveal was reshot material to retcon it was truly Martian Manhunter in order to set-up the later reshot scene where he meets Bruce.
How did I never realize that Deadpool’s real name is Wade Wilson...and Deathstrokes real name is Slade Wilson. The second Jen made that comment about Deadpool it all just clicked
- Liked cyborg character and personality - Liked the music - Thought Flash was a little too goofy but liked his powers - Liked Steppenwolf’s intimidating and powerful presence Literally all the major things cut, removed or otherwise worsened in Jossticeleague. What a monumental F-up.
True, though my point was that he was much less annoying here. Imagine her reaction to Josstice-Flash’s insufferably unending, unfunny quip-cannon personality! I mean, what is brunch?
Congrats on the marriage! I become more and more fond of Jen as we go on, I can see why you used your utility belt to grapple her into the long term. Sending much love and positivity towards you both and your future as a major reaction channel! PS. Can we get a revival of the My Friend Watches with occasional movies to surprise us longer-time fans? =]
regarding silas' death, you can literally see him starting to step outside the box, then seeing steppenwolf charging in and knowing if he didn't start the laser right then, he'd fail. So he chose to die rather than fail.
Heavily rumored this film series will continue. As this movie won at the Oscar's while the head of WB was there. Snyder has been teasing new DC projects as well.
It's interesting to think that 95% of what we're seeing on screen is CGI, but I still get immersed into the movie. I don't for one second think that that isn't Diana and Arthur fighting Parademons. It just looks so good now.
Snyder's trick is using shadows & dark colours. Snyder & his team have master that contrast & light-dark composition for their CGI scenes. That's why the scenes feel immersive. The Kryptonian armours Gen. Zod & his army were black. It looked so real, even the fans thought they're real armour. Those aren't. It's all full CGI armours.
"She Saves It From Exploding And Then Blows It Up Anyway" I Think Holden Is Completely Over Thinking The WonderWoman Scene. He's So Mad That She Stopped A Bomb But Then Destroyed The Building, The Bomb Would Have Killed Everyone In The Vicinity Including All Those Kids, All WonderWoman Did Was Destroy A Wall And A Bad Guy, But She Still Saved Everyone There, WonderWoman Wasn't Worried About Saving The Building, She Was Worried About Saving The Humans
I swear, the fact that Wonder Woman can tank a headbutt from Superman shows that she's indeed the strongest of the Justice League. (and LITERALLY the oldest at 5,000 years old)
The final scene with Martian Manhunter was supposed to have John Stewart as the Green Lantern. But they changed it out and we got Martian Manhunter instead.
Great reaction! The Synder Cut is proof that those geniuses at Warner Bros. don't know what they're doing. Trying to keep up with and/or compete with the MCU was a terrible decision. Oh well.
Thanos was created by Jim Starlin as a tribute to the work of Jack Kirby. who at the time had already created Darkside for DC. so both Thanos' personality, posture and look are based on Darkside
I loved this reaction! I think Hanry's superman was one of the best, even if the people didn't liked the Man Of Steel film. I hope you"re also planning to react to The Witcher series, which also shows how great actor Hanry Cavill is. :)
14:52 Had to investigate for a bit, but I can confirm it: Darkseid came out before Thanos. In fact, Thanos is sorta inspired by Darkseid. But I gotta say it’s very funny how Thanos, the supposed-to-be copy of the original, made to the big screen first before Darkseid did. And heck, Darkseid didn’t debut in the big screen. After all, Zack Snyder’s JL is a HBO-Max Original.
_2:12__ ‐_ I found it pretty cool how Holden said "That's cool" and then; no more than about 1 second later; 'The Flash'/Barry Allen said "That's intense" haha
33:20 Wait... WHAT ???? In fact Mrs Hardman is right. When they made/completed this movie (the Snyder cut) Warner Bros - DC knew and said they won't go on any further with the Snyderverse. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, that's the only reason why this movie has that scene in the end. Snyder wanted to have a scene with his Joker and Batman and that was his only chance to have it.
While I respect Jen's opinion, but to me Ben Affleck's Batman is still best live action version in cinema. Not only Ben Affleck had a lot of potential, but he feels more believable as an older brutal and paranoid Bruce Wayne/Batman who had been a vigilante for 20 years.
Yeah, it never bothered me that he was old and brutal, it made sense considering the context that was set. Not sure why so many were so pissed about it
Can't watch the reaction (haven't seen the movie) but I saw the "W" word in the title and wanted to say congratulations and wish you both all the happiness in the world for the rest of your journey through life 🙂
The part when Barry reverses time to save the team I think earned this movie an Oscar. I loved how this set up both the aquaman movie (wouldn’t have changed anything) and affleck’s version of The Batman. Hashtag RestoreTheSnyderverse
Marvel and DC constantly take from each other and I love them for that, they build of each other’s templates. Deadpool is an unapologetic rip off of Deathstroke but both are amazing in their own way. Thanos off Darkseid and Aquaman from namor. Personally I lean more towards DC in everything but the movies, but both bring so much quality to the table it the only thing I can think is damn it’s a good time to be a comic book fan.
33:20 the better idea is for future dc films you will have core dc films and pseudo dc films. They are doing if like how the comics are. Core will mostly focus on a connected story set in a same timeline and characters crossover. Pseudo will be individual stories either no connection or loose connection to core like Joker and The Batman film. If wondering “like the comics” part basically there is main line comics like Batman and his detective comics run. During these time they would make side stories like the known one being Killing Joke where that story wasn’t 100% official at the time. But a long time later they decide to loosely tie it into main run comics but also floating in the air on it isn’t.
@@yash1140 I don’t need to watch either movie ever again, but if I was forced to do so I would definitely choose Whedon’s. 2 hours of complete nonsense over 4 hours of complete nonsense any day of the week.
@@yash1140 I feel like it’s pretty sensical. If I had to choose between two bad movies I’d rather choose the shorter one. I’m not sure why that’s confusing to you, but I’m willing to elaborate further if you need me to do a metaphor or something.
Hey, Holden and Jen! Loved the Amazonian sequence and that amazing sacrifice. I want a whole movie set on Themiscyra! David Thewlis reprised Ares for the ancient battle scene. He was the antagonist in "Wonder Woman". The Green Lantern's ring left the finger of the fallen Lantern to return to Oa! We need a good Green Lantern movie because he's an essential member of the League. Part 3 was the biggest chunk of Cyborg stuff that was missing. Part 3 was the biggest chunk of Flash stuff, too. What kind of fool spends 20 minutes searching for a hamburger while plowing an 18-wheeler through a city street! Love the "I'm rich." line by Bruce. Wonder Woman says to fight as a team and then everybody proceeds to do their own thing! Lol. In case you didn't know, Holden, Darkseid, DeSaad, Steppenwolf, Apokolips, the Mother Boxes, Boom Tubes, Parademons and the Anti-Life Equation are all the creation of Marvel Universe co-creator Jack Kirby during his stint at DC Comics. It's one epic saga called "The Fourth World". The characters have been appropriated by other writers throughout the decades. The Knightmare reality must diverge from the main timeline at the moment Flash activates the Motherbox. He ran so fast that time reversed a little in the same way that he reversed time at the end of the movie. By doing so at the resurrection, it enabled him to charge the box at the exact moment it hit the amniotic pool. In the Knightmare timeline, he must have been just a little bit off resulting in a corruptible Supes who turns to Darkseid upon Lois' death. Martian Manhunter or J'onn J'onzz is a founding member of the Justice League and is a part of the team through every iteration. He has psychic sensitivity and must sense Lois' importance which is why he appealed to her as Martha Kent although Martha not remembering any such pep talk is going to make her look senile if it ever comes up! Lol. The open capsule aboard the Kryptonian ship is meant to be a Kara Zor-El aka Supergirl reference. The black detective who conversed with Gordon was named Crispus. Crispus Allen will become The Spectre upon his death in the line of duty. The Asian STARLabs scientist, Ryan Choi, who gets promoted at the end is the Rebirth version of the Atom, DC's version of Ant-Man. Previously, the character was named Ray Palmer. Loved seeing Darkseid's course-correcting Omega beams! The JOSS-tice League was serviceable and Whedon only did as instructed by cutting material and lightening the tone. However, after seeing the true intent of the original director, the theatrical release really suffers in comparison. So odd that Warner Bros. execs decided to oppose fans yet again and denigrate them the very weekend people sign up for their streaming service as a sign of their support for this material and a shared universe. Instead, WB announces a slate of thirty films with absolutely no shared continuity. They are short-sighted and have no respect for the source material or the fan base. They continue to see what Feige and Favreau are doing at Disney and they simply choose not to replicate a successful business model. Why? They expect to make sufficient profit with inferior product and see no need to cater to a loyal customer base or put in the extra thought required to manage a shared continuity. Creatively bankrupt empty suits with titanic egos and disdainful souls.
i cant express how awesome it is when someone like jenn comes in and watches a comic movie without any personal byast or or is even well versed in the comic world, and can still end up making the same points about the film as the fans did. it really gives validation to their opinion after so many people accused them of either being to critical or giving it to much praise
Superman's black outfit is a very special outfit, it helps absorb yellow sun radiation much faster than his normal outfit, this is mentioned in the comics and select animated films
Darkseid was before Thanos. It's weird since this was the original Infinity War and Endgame but most won't realize since this never came out back then. Marvel was gonna take this film and twist it a little just like they did with Civil War. They did that because of BVS.
Fun fact: Thanos was originally intended to resemble Metron. However, an editor at Marvel encouraged the artist to beef him up, saying "If you're going to steal one of the New Gods, at least rip off Darkseid, the really good one!".
I'll never understand why DC/Warner Bros felt like they had to play catch-up with Marvel. It's not a race. The needed to make proper individual character building movies before putting them all together. Why they felt they had to jam them all together and rush to get to a Justice League movie just because Marvel had their Avengers movies already I'll never know. Marvel was successful because they build to the ensemble cast movies properly. I don't understand what WB doesn't get about that. Which is why WB continues to be in the toilet for the most part, and Marvel continues to be successful for the most part. (minus Eternals, lol) That being said, I gotta give WB props for letting Zack Snyder put out his cut of this movie. It's night and day better than the Theatrical cut!
Any similarities between Marvel and DC... DC is usually first. Marvel is inspired by DC comics A LOT! Darkseid and Metron inspired Thanos Deathstroke inspired the creation of Deadpool Batman inspired Ironman, Moon knight, Daredevil and parts of Spiderman Dr. Fate inspired Dr. Strange The Atom inspired Ant-man Black Canary inspired Black widow The Flash inspired Quicksilver Zatana inspired Scarlet witch Red Tornado and Martian Manhunter inspired Vison Shinning Knight inspired Black Knight The Doom patrol inspired the Xmen and the Avengers wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the success of the Justice League. etc etc. The only high-profile character that Marvel did first was Namor. Aquaman was a DC copy of Namor. DC also has a character called Black Spider who was inspired by Spiderman. and that's just the comics. the MCU itself has quite a bit of DC elements in it. Killmonger for instance, the first GOOD Marvel villain, used the origin and drive of Black Manta from his original run and not Killmonger in the comics. the Abomination in the first hulk film looked more, like Darkseid than in the comics. and When Captain Marvel rescued Ironman in space, it is a shot for shot recreation of Superman rescuing Batman in the animated film Batman, Superman Public enemies.
“His name is the flash, he’s like A-train” is a hilarious backwards comparison considering the flash is the OG speedster 😂 but whatever works
Yeah, but Jen doesn't know Flash until this movie. so comparing him to someone she does know is the best way to describe him.
@@patrickcromwell7554 Agreed. But, then again, I think that a better comparison would’ve been Quicksilver. Unless Jen has already forgotten who he is, if that’s the case, then it was a good call. XD
@@patrickcromwell7554 as i said in part one in the movie Barry doesn't even know The Flash. He doesn't hear that name until the CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover which is set after the JL theatrical i assume movie.
@@cykesrevenge Dude, I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you might be responding to the wrong person. I don't remember commenting anything about Flash.
This is one of the few instances in existence where people reference characters from The Boys when they see a Dc character that resembles them and not the other way around because Jen watched The Boys first lol
I know it Lowkey ticked me off cuz In my mind I’m like noo.. When you see homelander you should be thinking Superman he’s the OG 😂😂
@@YaShawtyLovesPolo Highlander? 😅🤣
@@YaShawtyLovesPolo Who's highlander?
@@YaShawtyLovesPolo Never heard of highlander is he Marvel?
Even non movie watcher knows dc characters . 80 years in american culture.
For Jen, Darkseid is definitely more powerful than Thanos. He is nicknamed the "God of Evil" and beside that he is considered as an actual god. He is considerably stronger, faster, more intelligent, and more evil or ruthless than Thanos. And that’s comparing both without their later acquire powers like the Omega beams+AntiLife vs Thanos with his Infinity Gauntlet. Also, creator of Thanos actually based his character on Darkseid.
Too bad no one liked the movie.
@@carladams9345 wrong
@@carladams9345 literally everybody loves this movie as well as the two movies that Thanos was in
@@carladams9345 too bad the flash scene won Oscar cheer moment award instead of 3 Spideys scene
I wonder what Jen thinks about Wonder woman 2 but I doubt they will see it.
Wow! Holden went from a 7/10 to an 8.5/10. And I honestly didn't think Jen would enjoy it as much as she did. I really felt it when she said it was frustrating to know they don't have plans to continue. I 100% agree
To answer Holden’s question Darkseid came first and Thanos was based on Darkseid (Kirby based Darkseid off the nightmares he had about Adolf Hitler when he fought in WW2). Also Darkseid’s not really a Superman villain, people only really think that because of the animated series. He’s actually a New Gods villain and occasional Justice League villain in fact he didn’t even first fight Superman until a full 16 years after his debut.
I'm still mad they cancelled the new gods movie
Back then Superman would have destroyed Darkseid. Golden age and Silver age versions are beyond stupid powerful, even by today's standards.
Darkseid 1971 vs Thanos 1973 in the comics to specific so neither are new or even recent but yeah to everything you said.
Yes he did and I had to Google it too
Also Deathstroke came first and Dedpool was a ripoff then kinda parody of him, before becoming the insanely fun he is now.
The reason why Victors father died like that was cause he superheated the motherbox so the league could track it. He most likely would have been killed anyway by Steppenwolf. He died on his own terms instead of possibly being offed by Steppenwolf.
And if he stayed outside, he may have never gotten the chance to push the buttons, Maybe steppenwolf would have jumped on him and kill him real quick.
Fathers of the DCEU just loves to get themselves killed
But in the original cut he lived
@@SoftEndy he was in the original cut? 💀
@@kshitizanand5800 Yeah and they accomplished the same thing without his death
When Jen says she felt weird about the Flash all I could think was “So do the executives at WB right now”
@FoxRNG No, part of his personality is still reminiscent of Barry from the comics, he just has some Wally West traits, but things like the creative way he uses his abilities, his scientific mind and obviously his backstory, it's completely like Barry Allen.
🤣🤣🤣 the real Berry Allen in jail
At the Speed of Force was one of the first scenes that Whedon and Johns cut because "it didn't make sense." Years later it wins an Oscar. The amount of L's for WB is staggering.
@@jadonsmith3224 well, not an actual oscar but an Oscar associated poll true
lol I mean the first few seasons of CW show were great but after that it went woke cringe, just like the rest of the CW shows. but you can't deny Grant Gustin is perfect casting and I hope they go with him for future instalments.
13:13 Amazing that some WB executive saw this scene as "confusing" and was one of the first things that got cut after Zack left the production
wb executives are a bunch of children
Literally my favorite scene from the DCEU
@@dirty6593 the objectively best scene in the DCEU
@@zack01598 idk, the scene from Josstice League where Batfleck goes “well something is definitely bleeding” is honestly a masterclass of storytelling.
@@dirty6593 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I really like how Jen appreciates and understood what Snyder was trying to do and convey with emotions and story and enjoyed the things most people complained about.
Her liking Henry’s version of Superman and having a good emotional range when people complained his Superman was mopey and depressing. And she liked the Black suit.
How she felt afraid and understood how powerful Steppenwolf was.
How Cyborg was the heart of the movie and has a great character development.
The complaints about Henry's Cavill Superman always baffled me. People have been complaining for years that Superman is a boring character because he is so powerful that he barely has any challenges. Snyder understood that and decided to go with emotional challenges, which works before imo for a new Superman and yet many people complains this is not Superman. So if I get it right, people don't like Superman for being boring, but they want him to stay in that states? Ugh
It's easier to understand and appreciate what Snyder did if you don't have expectations about characters and choices coming into the movie. One of the issues with Snyders films was fans had decades of exposure to a lot of these characters and he gave extremely different versions. It works if you aren't a hardcore DC fan.
@@lkay398 It works if you're not a DC Fanboy
@@trevorphilips9065 Yea thats what I said lol. If you are open to interpretations of characters his material works. Problem was a lot of people were not.
@@lkay398 To be fair allot of people are just whiny
Fun fact: The police officer is the actor that played photographer Jimmy olsen in the Christopher Reeves superman films!
Also go back and see Man of Steel and when Superman is caught under the World Engine that’s on the opposite side of the planet causing the terraforming, as he summons the power to take flight to destroy it Zack superimposed Christopher Reeves face over Henry Cavils face. Zack knows his history and his reverence to the original is just classy
holden did watch Christopher superman movies, he little did not recognize that reeves jimmy Olsen actor who played Jimmy Olse
@@tonysoto8949 also Zack Snyder saw the General Hennix/Martian Manhunter fan theories on Twitter and decided to make it Canon
So now looking back it makes sense why Superman personally wanted to speak to him as Clark knew he was an alien (His x-ray vision)
Speaking of the music in this movie, I love the scene where the team is coming up with idea to resurrect Superman is you hear the Hanz Zimmer Superman theme slowly and quietly building to where it fully emerges as the team, and you the audience realize what they need to do when Cyborg puts up the hologram. Such a good movie scoring moment right there
So glad you guys mentioned the music. How did they make the heroes walking up a subterranean staircase so badass? The way it built tension to their first fight as a team.
it had me laughing actually bc it was good battle music...set to these people in silly costumes slowly climbing down some stairs in the dark. it just broke me out of the scene entirely
@@jphugo15 Nobody cares
@@jphugo15 You know what? I get that lol
Darkseid was the inspiration for thanos and Deathstroke was the inspiration for Deadpool
Darkseid came before Thanos. The creator of Thanos has actually said he based Thanos' design on Darkseid.
We were suppose to see DarkSeid in 2017 before Thanos in 2018 too. That’s crazy
Same as deathstroke
@@rph_redacted I think that’s why Deadpool is goofy and can break the 4th wall. Because he was a copy of a serious killer
most Marvel characters are copies of DC characters Atom, Deathstroke, Darkseid, Zarda
@@Aro7241 If you're talking about cinema, then yeah DC has a lot to do to catch up. Comic wise DC has better characters
Silas death makes sense, Steppenwolf caught up to him as soon as he was about to heat the box there was really no way out for him, plus it’s foreshadowed when Arthur mentions the saying about “not without giving up one in return” they got Superman back but at the cost of Victors father
Something that I find myself having to explain to people when they compare DC and Marvel is that Marvel makes superhero movies, meaning they're action movies with superheroes as the stand-ins, DC (more specifically, Zack Snyder) is making graphic novel films, both are based off of comic book characters, but DC/ZS focuses more on the aspect that represent the look and feel of graphic novels rather than the action or quippy parts like MCU does. This is why ZS has moments in his films that are almost direct representations of comic book panels. Not saying either one is wrong or bad, just stating that this is why you can't really accurately compare the 2 universes.
Also, Darkseid came first, so Thanos would technically be Marvel's version of Darkseid. Also, as Jen kind of thought at first, Deadpool is a parody of Deathstroke, Deathstroke wears black and orange and is a mercenary who uses swords and guns and Deadpool is the same except he wears red and black. Deathstroke is super serious and intimidating whereas Deapool is not. Deathstroke's name is Slade Wilson and Deadpool's name is Wade Wilson. I really enjoyed this reaction a lot. I would love to see Jen Hardman react to the DC animated films like The Flashpoint Paradox, Justice League War, The Dark Knight Returns Parts 1 & 2, Son of Batman, Batman Vs. Robin, and many more, I feel like those are great storylines that hardly get any attention from reactors, I think they will be very interesting to see you two watch.
The Black Suit is also known as the recovery suit. It’s meant to help Superman absorb more sun radiation at a faster rate. To get him back at 100%
i m quite jealous of Jen. she got to watch this first.
we had to watch the Josstice League
raged, waited and begged to get the Synder Cut.
I cant wait till she watches the Josstice League
I feel like you get more satisfaction from Snyder’s movie if you previously watched Josstice Leage to see how incredibly bad that was and give a proverbial middle finger to all of that.
Absolutely love this movie. Even without the music in some of the scenes my body will always break out in chills. This movie is everything I want in a superhero movie.
I liked Zack Snyder's take on DC characters,sort of reminds me of Justice League cartoon if it was live action and for adults
Me too
I’ll just forget the JOSStice League
And mixed with new 52
for edgelords*
The "Wife watches" headline is so adorable! Congrats again you two!!!
As a DC fan, I really love what Zack Snyder has done with his DC Trilogy and I sincerely hope that the SnyderVerse is restored. I just wish WB would get a clue and see that what Zack has done is amazing and deserves to continue. I love that Marvel is doing so well on film these days (took them a few decades) but DC characters can still be awesome at the same time. One doesn't have to suck for the other to be good. I read both DC and Marvel as well as Image and I want all of them to succeed because they all have great characters.
Who would have thought that Lex Luthor wouldn't turn out to be as much of a villain to the DC Universe as Warner Bros...
DC created Darkseid 1971 before Marvel created Thanos 1973, his character directly inspired Jim Starlin to create Thanos
Actually, James Wan, director of the Aquaman movie, went off making Aquaman after seeing Zack Snyder's rough cut before doing his movie, as Joss Wheden had not yet been hired when he began production on it. So Aquaman the movie fits in better with this version than with the theatrical version.
Don't give up hope for a sequel!
The WB-Discovery Merger just happened yesterday!
They are finally in the position to change things up and correct the course!
They have the perfect superman in Henry Cavill and they've done nothing with him. I just don't understand it.
The reason why SttepenWolf only tries to intimidate Wonder Woman is because of all Justice League's members she was the only one he considered truly worthy of fighting with, because besides being an amazon she has the blood of Zeus, and the last time Darkseid came to Earth the old gods were indispensable to his defeat, so he knew that because she was half amazon and half goddess she was the most formidable of them all.
Yeah. He had a real beef with her and her people.
But then Superman came along lmao
FUN FACT: The cop that Cyborg saved from the tank is actor Marc McClure, who played the original Jimmy Olsen in all 4 of the Christopher Reeve Superman films.
Hearing you say the flash movie (based on the flashpoint paradox storyline) is gonna be dc's version of no way home was a punch to the face, Holden!
Flashpoint is perfect. No way home is just entertainment.
(16:21) and that point, Ezra Miller’s Barry Allen accidently went to the Speed Force and met his doppleganger. Grant Gustin’s Barry Allen, courtesy of "Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 4" on Arrow Season 8
"I'm not broken."
Tears.
Every.
Damn.
Time.
The sound edits made me feel high underwater but great video as always
I really want them to let zack snyder to a part 2 to this on hbo, its such a should a good movie
Well the Discovery merger is complete. Now all things are possible.
No actually not a good idea. These movies belong in a movie theater not a streaming service. That’s offensive to the talent that were in this movie who are not streaming service talent. After a theatrical showing then as always it will go to a a steaming service.
@@tonysoto8949 It's better streaming than nothing
Well, Ben is done with Batman, WB burned their bridge with Henry, Ray burned his bridge with WB, and WB is on the verge of blacklisting Ezra. Not to mention Amber seems to be a trash human. I just don't see part 2 ever happening at this point.
I absolutely love this movie even though I’m not a big fan of the rest of the DCEU movies. I wish they would continue it to see Darkseid come to earth and see how it unfolds.
Yeah I’m the same. There were components of the other DCEU movies I liked, but overall never was a fan. I didn’t care about Zack Snyder making this version, but after it got so many great reviews I thought I should check it out and wasn’t disappointed. I was bummed at the end that we weren’t getting a continuation. Maybe it will happen now considering the positive reception. Also, seeing Martian Manhunter got me pumped, never thought he would make an appearance. 👍👍
6:58 do people not realise that there was a shot of him trying to tun out but steppenwolf was there already so he trapped himself in there.
Regarding the scene where Wonder Woman saves the hostages, the bomb was going to blow up "four city blocks", whereas WW eventually only took out one wall of one building when she stopped the guy who was going to murder lots of children and some adults. She'd already stopped a hail of bullets, but the terrorist reloaded so was clearly going to keep trying to kill the hostages, and I think it's reasonable to have some doubt that WW could stop every single one of the bullets if he fires again, even though she managed to save everyone the first time... So in that context I think it's fine for her to prioritise stopping the terrorist immediately over part of the building staying intact (which she may be able to help rebuild after the terrorist has been dealt with).
Yeah I agree I feel like it's pretty obvious, she stopped the bomb from killing loads of people by stopping the bomb and then just blew up a wall. I don't see how that's a problem he'd have but I do think WW coulda speed blitz'd him while he was reloading and avoided blowing anything up
@@Impulse1912 She's fast enough to stop each individual bullet. I honestly thought that she should have been able to stop him in the time he took to realize "oh, she stopped my bullet", process that while he lowers his weapon a little, switch it to auto mode and re-raise it, and then start firing again. And thankfully, nobody on the street was seriously injured with all the rubble from the wall that was going everywhere.
@@jek4837 yeah idk i guess its just for the action aspect
Truly love this movie.
my fav CBM OF ALL TIME & NOTHING COMES CLOSE
In regard to the runtime. I think the 4 hours was needed because the fans truly ask for the full Zack Snyder JL experience and so if he trimmed any of that runtime off for the sake of better flow, (which I agree this movie would benefit from) the super hardcore Snyderverse fans would still be petitioning for the real real ZSJL cut.
Remember that the original plan was for there to be TWO Justice League movies, part one was supposed to end with Superman coming back, then part two was meant to come out later. But WB meddled (shocker) and made Zach condense it into one film.
@@SFascetta777 I do remember that the DC slate from 2015 said a part 1 and part 2 to JL but I thought the part two would’ve been what we don’t see in this cut. Darkseid’s attempted invasion of earth, a possible extended nightmare sequence with evil Superman, and the final battle to kill darkseid. Zack has a history of making much longer movies then cutting 30 minutes or more on the editing floor so it wouldn’t surprise me if this was only suppose to be part 1 but a theatrical run of it would’ve been 3 hrs- 3hrs 15 min long.
@@SFascetta777 see Mase’s reply, that’s the actual part 2
@@mase6978 I’m still surprised he was going to kill Batman to reverse things, but I like that
@@BichaeldeAngelo I have to wonder if Affleck was already beginning to voice his concern with continuing the role and the toll that was taking on his mental health. I think if that was the case, killing him off in a grand sacrifice would honestly be a really interesting play, then we could focus on a justice league that for once isn’t so Batman centric and it would also allow for the flashpoint movie to do a much better job integrating a new Batman, Pattinson or whoever it might’ve been.
13:09 LADIES AND GENTLEMAN THE BEST CHEER MOMENT, they were so loud the cheering and the screaming
Fun fact: the final scene of Aquaman getting in a truck was filmed in my home province of Newfoundland, Canada! You can tell by the license plate. Newfoundland has been seeing more film and television production, Jason Momoa has actually been to NL before to film the show Frontier, and they recently filmed parts of the new Peter Pan and Wendy movie here as well!
To clarify, Holden fixed the audio in this by painstakingly aligning every applicable song on the soundtrack to the exact kilobyte and inverting it, causing the perceived audio not to have any music. This only works with tracks that have at least one instrument mixed in the center channel because of the way inversions handle stereo. The other side effect is that the remaining audio sounds bubbly due to the inverted audio overlapping any part of the track at the same frequency
I am just done watching part one! Yeah!!😊😊 great timing
34:55 that was in the late 80s, the Robin at the time was Jason Todd, the 2nd Robin, it was because he was very similar to Dick Grayson, the 1st Robin, who was the superhero Nightwing by that point, the story became known as "A Death In The Family", though Jason was later resurrected and became the Red Hood (which is an identity Joker used in one of his many origins, this is actually his origin story that is used the most), where he went around killing criminals, which made him remembered as Batman's greatest failure and the failed Robin, there's actually an animated movie from 2010 called "Batman: Under The Red Hood", which tells this story very well, it's on HBO Max, I'd recommend it.
but in the DCEU, Zack Snyder had planned on Dick Grayson being the dead Robin instead, which if Zack's vision had happened, then we wouldn't have gotten Nightwing because Dick would have been dead, and we wouldn't have gotten Red Hood because after Dick's death, Bruce would have never taken Jason in, and Jason then wouldn't have died from the Joker and come back later as the Red Hood, the only reason Zack wanted Dick dead was because Dick's death would have impacted Bruce way more than Jason's would have, which is why Bruce goes to killing his villains, but I don't personally agree with Dick being the dead Robin, but since Batman V Superman and Zack's Justice League don't mention the name of the dead Robin, I guess it can still be left up to interpretation.
You guys have to do the watchmen next
I just made the mental connection that Deadpool is named Wade Wilson and Deathstroke is named Slade Wilson. Huh. Just a little bit on the nose.
The niggle for me is, the Martha & Lois scene. It loses it's impact when it's revealed to be Martian Manhunter. If Lois mentions the talk in passing then the surprise when Martha doesn't know what she's talking about.
Pretty certain that entire apartment scene with Lois and Martha talking was originally filmed material with the intention this was really Martha, the immediately following reveal was reshot material to retcon it was truly Martian Manhunter in order to set-up the later reshot scene where he meets Bruce.
Great caption!! “My WIFE”… one of the most important part of all your videos is being a little part of your life and growth… congratulations both!
Dont know why but when i read MY WIFE i hear the voice of Wash in Firefly ( the torture scene).
@@martinacosta3821 great reference!!!
'' My Wiiiifee!''
- Borat
For real though, congrats to Jenn and Holden you guys are too cute fr
How did I never realize that Deadpool’s real name is Wade Wilson...and Deathstrokes real name is Slade Wilson. The second Jen made that comment about Deadpool it all just clicked
- Liked cyborg character and personality
- Liked the music
- Thought Flash was a little too goofy but liked his powers
- Liked Steppenwolf’s intimidating and powerful presence
Literally all the major things cut, removed or otherwise worsened in Jossticeleague.
What a monumental F-up.
That’s Flash tho… but agree with everything else.
True, though my point was that he was much less annoying here. Imagine her reaction to Josstice-Flash’s insufferably unending, unfunny quip-cannon personality! I mean, what is brunch?
Man I can't get over how mellow you guys are in these reviews, it's so... I don't know it feels like we're watching these films together and I love it
Congrats on the marriage! I become more and more fond of Jen as we go on, I can see why you used your utility belt to grapple her into the long term. Sending much love and positivity towards you both and your future as a major reaction channel!
PS. Can we get a revival of the My Friend Watches with occasional movies to surprise us longer-time fans? =]
34:09 They have already started on 2 tv spin offs of The Batman - a prequel about the Penguin and one about the GCPD and Gordon. Both set for HBO MAX
Yes Henry Cavill is amazing Superman but WB are not yet working on Henry Cavill's Superman Movies or Projects..
regarding silas' death, you can literally see him starting to step outside the box, then seeing steppenwolf charging in and knowing if he didn't start the laser right then, he'd fail. So he chose to die rather than fail.
Second time he was killed sacrificing himself for a machine he created (T2 reference)
@@Chuck_EL but this time hes trying to save that machine lol. (Assuming you mean cyborg 😂)
Heavily rumored this film series will continue. As this movie won at the Oscar's while the head of WB was there. Snyder has been teasing new DC projects as well.
WB's twitter is also following Snyder's twitter recently.
14:50 this is more like DCs avengers 1 cuz its the first team up film in the DCEU. Great reaction, keep going👍
It's interesting to think that 95% of what we're seeing on screen is CGI, but I still get immersed into the movie. I don't for one second think that that isn't Diana and Arthur fighting Parademons. It just looks so good now.
Snyder's trick is using shadows & dark colours. Snyder & his team have master that contrast & light-dark composition for their CGI scenes. That's why the scenes feel immersive.
The Kryptonian armours Gen. Zod & his army were black. It looked so real, even the fans thought they're real armour. Those aren't. It's all full CGI armours.
It's fuckin good
Love Jens comments,always inciteful
"She Saves It From Exploding And Then Blows It Up Anyway" I Think Holden Is Completely Over Thinking The WonderWoman Scene. He's So Mad That She Stopped A Bomb But Then Destroyed The Building, The Bomb Would Have Killed Everyone In The Vicinity Including All Those Kids, All WonderWoman Did Was Destroy A Wall And A Bad Guy, But She Still Saved Everyone There, WonderWoman Wasn't Worried About Saving The Building, She Was Worried About Saving The Humans
Exactly
Exactly, she just blew up the robber which blew out the outer wall, they can fix that up no problem, so it's all good! 👍
@@julesb1970 yup! No problem!
Yup, exactly what I was thinking
🙏
I swear, the fact that Wonder Woman can tank a headbutt from Superman shows that she's indeed the strongest of the Justice League. (and LITERALLY the oldest at 5,000 years old)
Holdan: “I’m in...”
Since Jen didn’t catch it: “HOLEN THOMAS HARDMAN!”
If he's in, I'm out
The final scene with Martian Manhunter was supposed to have John Stewart as the Green Lantern.
But they changed it out and we got Martian Manhunter instead.
Jen: “maybe I’ll see him in the future again”
Warner Bros. “Pausing all future Ezra Miller projects”
Can't blame it on them, he's an utter degenerate
They did not pause anything, all that was denied
@@fonzoro8896 by whom?
*Holden and Jen on there way to their honeymoon*
Where we’re going, we don’t need clothes
Great reaction! The Synder Cut is proof that those geniuses at Warner Bros. don't know what they're doing. Trying to keep up with and/or compete with the MCU was a terrible decision. Oh well.
It’s weird to think about the fact that SteppenWolf is Darkseid’s uncle but yet he worships him
Thanos was created by Jim Starlin as a tribute to the work of Jack Kirby. who at the time had already created Darkside for DC. so both Thanos' personality, posture and look are based on Darkside
OOOOH love Jen's shirt
I loved this reaction!
I think Hanry's superman was one of the best, even if the people didn't liked the Man Of Steel film.
I hope you"re also planning to react to The Witcher series, which also shows how great actor Hanry Cavill is. :)
Only some people disliked MoS... it made nearly half a billion and in many opinions is the definitive version of the charater.
@@Linerunner99 man of steel is an amazing movie. It is the quintessential Superman film of our generation. Beautifully done
@@zachanator2011 agree I always loved how Clark would use heat vision and he'd have pain doing it like in the 80s Byrne run
Now I want to see her watch the 2017 one
Holden: "Where we're going we don't need clothes."
Honeymoon foreshadowing.
"Who's to say?"
@@user-dz6fy6qv2l "juicy"
It’s crazy that now they’re pausing production on the new flash movie following the ezra miller stuff
Planet of the Apes Trilogy when???
After this, watch Justice league (theatrical cut) with jen
14:52 Had to investigate for a bit, but I can confirm it: Darkseid came out before Thanos. In fact, Thanos is sorta inspired by Darkseid. But I gotta say it’s very funny how Thanos, the supposed-to-be copy of the original, made to the big screen first before Darkseid did. And heck, Darkseid didn’t debut in the big screen. After all, Zack Snyder’s JL is a HBO-Max Original.
It would have if Warner didn't shit on the movie.
_2:12__ ‐_ I found it pretty cool how Holden said "That's cool" and then; no more than about 1 second later; 'The Flash'/Barry Allen said "That's intense" haha
Jen is absolutely right! Ben Affleck is not the best Batman... but by far the best life action Bruce Wayne we got so far
33:20 Wait... WHAT ???? In fact Mrs Hardman is right. When they made/completed this movie (the Snyder cut) Warner Bros - DC knew and said they won't go on any further with the Snyderverse.
In fact, if I'm not mistaken, that's the only reason why this movie has that scene in the end. Snyder wanted to have a scene with his Joker and Batman and that was his only chance to have it.
His Batman, and his Batman’s joker. Snyder didn’t cast Leto.
@@mazzucac Oh I didn't know that detail, thx. He " only " picked him because he was in Suicide Squad or what?
While I respect Jen's opinion, but to me Ben Affleck's Batman is still best live action version in cinema. Not only Ben Affleck had a lot of potential, but he feels more believable as an older brutal and paranoid Bruce Wayne/Batman who had been a vigilante for 20 years.
Yeah, it never bothered me that he was old and brutal, it made sense considering the context that was set. Not sure why so many were so pissed about it
@@user-jt1js5mr3f I agree.
Can't watch the reaction (haven't seen the movie) but I saw the "W" word in the title and wanted to say congratulations and wish you both all the happiness in the world for the rest of your journey through life 🙂
The part when Barry reverses time to save the team I think earned this movie an Oscar. I loved how this set up both the aquaman movie (wouldn’t have changed anything) and affleck’s version of The Batman. Hashtag RestoreTheSnyderverse
It won a special vote AT the Oscars, but not an actual Oscar, unfortunately.
It won a fan poll, not an actual Oscar.
Y’all should watch Arrow Flash and Superman and Lois
Marvel and DC constantly take from each other and I love them for that, they build of each other’s templates. Deadpool is an unapologetic rip off of Deathstroke but both are amazing in their own way. Thanos off Darkseid and Aquaman from namor. Personally I lean more towards DC in everything but the movies, but both bring so much quality to the table it the only thing I can think is damn it’s a good time to be a comic book fan.
33:20 the better idea is for future dc films you will have core dc films and pseudo dc films. They are doing if like how the comics are.
Core will mostly focus on a connected story set in a same timeline and characters crossover.
Pseudo will be individual stories either no connection or loose connection to core like Joker and The Batman film.
If wondering “like the comics” part basically there is main line comics like Batman and his detective comics run. During these time they would make side stories like the known one being Killing Joke where that story wasn’t 100% official at the time. But a long time later they decide to loosely tie it into main run comics but also floating in the air on it isn’t.
This movie was rough for me but I’m glad the Snyder People got the movie they wanted.
This really could have been 2 hours.
You've got Josstice league, if you want a 2 hour movie.
@@yash1140 I don’t need to watch either movie ever again, but if I was forced to do so I would definitely choose Whedon’s. 2 hours of complete nonsense over 4 hours of complete nonsense any day of the week.
@@Redjack10 trust me, your comment sounds way more nonsensical than either of those movies.
@@yash1140 I feel like it’s pretty sensical. If I had to choose between two bad movies I’d rather choose the shorter one. I’m not sure why that’s confusing to you, but I’m willing to elaborate further if you need me to do a metaphor or something.
2 1/2 to 3 hrs would have been the sweet spot
Hey, Holden and Jen! Loved the Amazonian sequence and that amazing sacrifice. I want a whole movie set on Themiscyra!
David Thewlis reprised Ares for the ancient battle scene. He was the antagonist in "Wonder Woman".
The Green Lantern's ring left the finger of the fallen Lantern to return to Oa! We need a good Green Lantern movie because he's an essential member of the League.
Part 3 was the biggest chunk of Cyborg stuff that was missing.
Part 3 was the biggest chunk of Flash stuff, too.
What kind of fool spends 20 minutes searching for a hamburger while plowing an 18-wheeler through a city street!
Love the "I'm rich." line by Bruce.
Wonder Woman says to fight as a team and then everybody proceeds to do their own thing! Lol.
In case you didn't know, Holden, Darkseid, DeSaad, Steppenwolf, Apokolips, the Mother Boxes, Boom Tubes, Parademons and the Anti-Life Equation are all the creation of Marvel Universe co-creator Jack Kirby during his stint at DC Comics. It's one epic saga called "The Fourth World". The characters have been appropriated by other writers throughout the decades.
The Knightmare reality must diverge from the main timeline at the moment Flash activates the Motherbox. He ran so fast that time reversed a little in the same way that he reversed time at the end of the movie. By doing so at the resurrection, it enabled him to charge the box at the exact moment it hit the amniotic pool. In the Knightmare timeline, he must have been just a little bit off resulting in a corruptible Supes who turns to Darkseid upon Lois' death.
Martian Manhunter or J'onn J'onzz is a founding member of the Justice League and is a part of the team through every iteration. He has psychic sensitivity and must sense Lois' importance which is why he appealed to her as Martha Kent although Martha not remembering any such pep talk is going to make her look senile if it ever comes up! Lol.
The open capsule aboard the Kryptonian ship is meant to be a Kara Zor-El aka Supergirl reference.
The black detective who conversed with Gordon was named Crispus. Crispus Allen will become The Spectre upon his death in the line of duty.
The Asian STARLabs scientist, Ryan Choi, who gets promoted at the end is the Rebirth version of the Atom, DC's version of Ant-Man. Previously, the character was named Ray Palmer.
Loved seeing Darkseid's course-correcting Omega beams!
The JOSS-tice League was serviceable and Whedon only did as instructed by cutting material and lightening the tone. However, after seeing the true intent of the original director, the theatrical release really suffers in comparison.
So odd that Warner Bros. execs decided to oppose fans yet again and denigrate them the very weekend people sign up for their streaming service as a sign of their support for this material and a shared universe. Instead, WB announces a slate of thirty films with absolutely no shared continuity. They are short-sighted and have no respect for the source material or the fan base. They continue to see what Feige and Favreau are doing at Disney and they simply choose not to replicate a successful business model. Why? They expect to make sufficient profit with inferior product and see no need to cater to a loyal customer base or put in the extra thought required to manage a shared continuity. Creatively bankrupt empty suits with titanic egos and disdainful souls.
i cant express how awesome it is when someone like jenn comes in and watches a comic movie without any personal byast or or is even well versed in the comic world, and can still end up making the same points about the film as the fans did. it really gives validation to their opinion after so many people accused them of either being to critical or giving it to much praise
Superman's black outfit is a very special outfit, it helps absorb yellow sun radiation much faster than his normal outfit, this is mentioned in the comics and select animated films
Holden should react to Titans. Is very good and dark super hero series and still very fresh.
Darkseid was before Thanos. It's weird since this was the original Infinity War and Endgame but most won't realize since this never came out back then. Marvel was gonna take this film and twist it a little just like they did with Civil War. They did that because of BVS.
Fun fact: Thanos was originally intended to resemble Metron. However, an editor at Marvel encouraged the artist to beef him up, saying "If you're going to steal one of the New Gods, at least rip off Darkseid, the really good one!".
I didn't even know who Thanos was until I watched infinity war hahahahah Darkseid I've known since I was a kid 💪
I'll never understand why DC/Warner Bros felt like they had to play catch-up with Marvel. It's not a race. The needed to make proper individual character building movies before putting them all together. Why they felt they had to jam them all together and rush to get to a Justice League movie just because Marvel had their Avengers movies already I'll never know. Marvel was successful because they build to the ensemble cast movies properly. I don't understand what WB doesn't get about that. Which is why WB continues to be in the toilet for the most part, and Marvel continues to be successful for the most part. (minus Eternals, lol) That being said, I gotta give WB props for letting Zack Snyder put out his cut of this movie. It's night and day better than the Theatrical cut!
Really love how Holden toys with Jen
Any similarities between Marvel and DC... DC is usually first. Marvel is inspired by DC comics A LOT!
Darkseid and Metron inspired Thanos
Deathstroke inspired the creation of Deadpool
Batman inspired Ironman, Moon knight, Daredevil and parts of Spiderman
Dr. Fate inspired Dr. Strange
The Atom inspired Ant-man
Black Canary inspired Black widow
The Flash inspired Quicksilver
Zatana inspired Scarlet witch
Red Tornado and Martian Manhunter inspired Vison
Shinning Knight inspired Black Knight
The Doom patrol inspired the Xmen
and the Avengers wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the success of the Justice League.
etc etc.
The only high-profile character that Marvel did first was Namor. Aquaman was a DC copy of Namor. DC also has a character called Black Spider who was inspired by Spiderman.
and that's just the comics. the MCU itself has quite a bit of DC elements in it. Killmonger for instance, the first GOOD Marvel villain, used the origin and drive of Black Manta from his original run and not Killmonger in the comics. the Abomination in the first hulk film looked more, like Darkseid than in the comics. and When Captain Marvel rescued Ironman in space, it is a shot for shot recreation of Superman rescuing Batman in the animated film Batman, Superman Public enemies.
Great video, I am really looking forward to theatrical car reaction and see what she thinks about it
The editing with the words that the characters are saying, 19:02 is just so hilarious XD
the swoosh sound holden put when superman dodges steppenwolf is golden 😂🙏🏽💯