The Most BROKEN Red Cards EVER Printed | Every Banned Red Card in Magic: the Gathering
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Through Magic: the Gathering's history, 35 Red cards have been banned. In this video, I give my picks for the 10 most broken of the bunch, and discuss every other Red banned card in the honorable mentions!
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Note: Even with all the cards I covered, I managed to leave a couple off of the honorable mentions -- Blazing Shoal, which is banned in Modern, and Dreadhorde Arcanist, which is banned in Legacy. the Shoal got banned because it was too good with infect, and the Arcanist got banned because it was too good at recurring powerful cheap spells.
Shoal is like Neoform combo. It was inconsistent and didn't do great in tournaments when it was legal. It was banned because they didn't want decks that could win on turn 1 and almost never won after turn 2.
arcanist at least deserved an honorable mention since it's pretty good in other formats too
Heartless hidetsugu was not banned "just because they thought he was too good". He was banned because, at the time, all damage dealt by commanders counted as commander damage, so one activation of Hidetsugu could kill the whole table. He was unbanned because they changed the rules such that only combat damage dealt by commanders counted as commander damage.
keep in mind that "banned in commander" does not mean anything, since you cant enforce bans in a kitchen table format. Its more like "the RC recommends not playing these cards".
@@ich3730I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything, a lot of people will play at local stores at commander nights or small leagues where the banlist is enforced and since it is as official as you can get fir the format a lot of people will adhere to it outside of that as well
@@ich3730 lol let me go to your kitchen table so I can bring some power 9 and unfinity
@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS you can come to my table - we all use P9. 😊 But we always follow banned/restricted lists.
Sounds like it was too good, bro
Sorry about the weird upload time. Forgot to switch this one back to the usual time but didn't notice until morning.
Anyway, enjoy!
Day or night I always get a notification every time you upload lol
If they had just said “Counter target spell *you don’t control*” instead, Trickery would’ve been just some obscure card that Commander players like
right ?? that was such a bizarre oversight on their part -- one of several cards on this list (underworld breach and the discover 3 guy) which strike me as proof that wizards' quality control clearly ain't what it used to be
He actually remained banned for a few years
he actually remained banned for a few years
For a few years.
16:50
He actually remained banned for a few years.
that card in fact sustained its lack of legality for several 365 day long periods
Fires of Invention Standard was absolutely miserable to play against. Took them a while to ban it.
Recruiter also was used to stack your deck for a fatal charbelcher activation.
Could you clarify again if Ali from Cairo did indeed remain banned for a few years?
IIRC, Ali from Cairo was never banned. It was on the original restricted list in January 1994 and was unrestricted in 1996. It was "banned" in Extended, but not because of the card itself: cards from the older sets that hadn't been reprinted in a more recent set were simply not legal in the format.
he remained banned for a few years if you didnt hear it
@stormigopser5351 I'm assuming you're just referring to Nizza saying it twice, which was kinda funny.
Regardless, per Mark Rosewater, the original ban list was only Shaharazad and the ante cards. Ali was on the original restricted list, and to the best of my knowledge was never banned.
I appreciate that you use the era approproate prints of the cards you are talking about (example: Siege-Gang Commander). It shows how detail oriented you are.
Nothing like showing up late to a video because you were pretending to be busy. Oh well, my quest for "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)" may have been delayed, but not prevented!
A bit of a correction on Ferocidon. It was actually banned for more time than it wasn't in standard. It was UNBANNED at the same time Tef3 was banned, as control had gotten very out of hand, and they brought Ferocidon back to hope to reign it in.
Love your videos! Great info. Thank you for taking the time to create these 🙌
That does it. Bolt the bolt.
Where's my friend, the lobster and heck yeah, wheel!
10:00 Unless i'm misstaken, Voyage of the ____ from Unfinity is now banned in commander and other formats? which regardless of using stickers was another combo piece, and cost 25 cents unlike it's counterparts partly due to it's four CMC. However, redundancy is consistency in formats where your limited to one per card.
Stickers and attractions are banned in legacy, pauper, and vintage. But not commander.
Red getting the short end of the stick as usual
It may have already been said, but I'm enjoying the new pre-introduction format of the videos. Thanks!
Of all the cards I own, which includes some expensive reserved list cards, my foil Worldgorger from Onslaught is by my favorite. It’s gorgeous
Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal suicide
Foreign debts, homeless vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz.
Like the fact of including banned/restrictions for evaluation
Fun fact: Fable of the mirror breaker has won every pt level event except one its been legal in. And in that one that it didnt win it was second
(10:53) Since Fury's banning in Modern caused its price to drop significantly, I decided to buy one for about $5 recently. I figured it would be a good inclusion in a Shadowfax deck I'm working on.
(12:00) I plan to include a few blink cards like Ephemerate in the deck, so I might be able to do a "Boros scam" with it. :P
(15:43) Funnily enough, now Goblin Oriflamme exists, which works exactly the same as Orcish Oriflamme, but with the Alpha version's 1R cost.
(16:50) Gotta emphasize that he actually remained banned for a few years. :P
Awesome Video, honorable mention to great furnace
Don't know if this is gonna be a new series but I really enjoyed this video! Liked!
I've done a few other top 10s like this, sort of a subseries I guess
As a legacy goblin player I look at recruiter on the banned list and think “no, that’s fair”
A side note about bolt is that while it may not have ever been banned in most formats, they don’t print it in standard sets anymore, so that says something. It’s kinda like a pseudo-ban for standard
Worldfire setup is even easier now. Just plot out a few cards.
Splinter Twin was not banned because it enables a combo, it was banned because WotC wanted to promote deck diversity. Prior to it being banned any URx deck that wasn't Storm consistently transformed into whatever + Splinter Twin
Oh UWr control did well last ptq....now its UWr Twin control
Grixis going good sells out and becomes Grixis Twin
I heard rumors that wotc is going to ban mind goblin.
I hope they don't do that. It would allow green squirrel decks with Dee's Nuts to run unchecked
Love the HM section
Your number one made my day, as it's also my sentimental pick backed by zero data.
Good one. You are doing a good job.
Ferocidon got banned before RIX got released and it didn't get unbanned when rotation happened. Which was completely ridiculous considering stuff like war of the spark was legal at the time.
So it didn't get banned late it got banned before the next set got released and it was only a nerf ban because that card wasn't even maindecked.
The LSV Top 50 cube list is a bit out of date, they've added a number of busted red creatures in recent supplementary products that are tearing up the scene. Broadside bombardiers is probably the best red card in the cube now, it just deals too much damage while also acting as repeated removal on a stick, but it's too new to feature in a top 10 like this.
I knew wheel would be one or two. Owning 4 of them it is the only mtg card I would have a tattoo of.
Compared to all the other colors Red is really lacking in busted cards. Fury, Breach and Ragavan are the worst offenders IMO.
It feels like red dies for the sins of other colors. Daze in Legacy got Ragavan and Expressive Iteration banned. Grief in Modern got Fury banned. Etc.
7:38 where did you get that info? Would love to see the discussion/ analysis of lsv
Probably Twitter or Limited Resources
LSV posted a top 50 vintage cube list video a couple months back. th-cam.com/video/eu91xlq0eLQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KTqXMoC_QqiddEty
There is still blazing shoal
This is an excellent video ❤
It would be interesting to chat to someone about how cards like these that were perhaps 'broken' could be fixed. For example, would Fury have never been banned if it didn't have double strike or only did 2 damage?
Fury probably wouldn't be banned if it was to a single target.
The fact that it can kill up to 8 creatures/planeswalkers for the low cost of 1 mana is bonkers.
Low toughness creatures are basically unplayable unless they bring equally insane value
Wrenn and Six at least can only kill a single x/1 per turn
It's more the synergy it has with the graveyard recursion card as the reason for being banned. Dealing 8 divided as you choose is pretty nuts even if it was a plain 4/4 without doublestrike. You wouldn't ban pyrokinesis for example it's just a strong card at most.
16:50 Whoa, deju vu.
LOL, clicking "Translate to English" on your comment turns it into "16:50 Whoa, dance woo.".
Ok, but how long was Ali banned for?
Dreadhorde Arcanist?
Now do the other colors!
Make a video on engineered explosives
But I love doing turn 1 kills with sneak attack
I honestly think Wheel of Fortune, while very strong, really shouldn't get the number one slot over Underworld Breach.
Wheel of Fortune works extremely well in Breach decks, and even then it's not played in Vintage Breach decks.
It's a card that's only really good in Commander and even then it's not an automatic 1-of in decks that run red.
Overall, large agree with the list, but the 1 and 2 spots should be swapped. Especially since Breach can even be played in fair decks.
All that said, I take a very controversial stance and believe that Wheel of Fortune is stronger than Timetwister, simply because most decks that abuse wheel effects would prefer to have a stocked graveyard.
Twister < Wheel of fortune is situation dependant, but usually you prefer stocking the graveyard instead of recycling it. Unless it's cube where twistering back ancestral, time walk, and other such cards is so dumb. The biggest edge twister has is with stuff like hullbreacher and Leovold, the latter of which doesn't want to splash red since 4 color is a tall ask.
I wouldn't play underworld breach in a fair deck, what is the point it's like playing maybe a restock or regrowth like effect depending on how many cards you have in the bin for it. It's no more useful in a fair deck than yawgmoth's will in a deck without fast mana.
@@dstreetz91 I also thought Underworld Breach sounded silly played fairly, but it is played as a fair card in Modern decks, weirdly enough. It’s just an insanely stupidly good card. It is usually a replacement for Murktide Regent and works very well with Dragon’s Rage Channeler and Mishra’s Bauble.
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Lackey is broken bc it doesn't say COMBAT damage. So if you give it ping, free goblin!!!
Bro forgot Atog
Top 30 💪🏼
All the wish cards remain banned in Commander.
They actually aren't. You can play them, they just don't do anything.
@@NizzahonMagic They used to be indicated on ban lists and are effectively banned as, they do nothing as you said. That said i think they were there as a a reminder that they do not function in commander more than an outright ban though they may as well be. WOTC seems to have had that bit removed to streamline the list somewhat.
Commander banlist is stupid anyways. It has never made sense especially when they say "you don't HAVE to follow this list if you don't want to" it's like if the legacy banlist was optional. If someone wants to play a wish card they can discuss it with their playgroup and I'm sure it would spice up some games depending on limitations imposed since access to the entire collection is a bit much.
@@dstreetz91 To a degree I agree for some cards there needs to be a hard fast ban no exceptions, the problem is unlike Standard, Modern,Legacy and etc there really are no recognized competitive series of events, not even with Cedh ( which is more an off shoot than a format of it's own) and is played mainly casually which makes policing games impossible and as such leaving it to individual groups to decide how strictly to follow the ban list is the only option. Mind some LGSes do impose some rules themselves.
Splinter Twin did nothing wrong 😑
wewt
ragavan fells like number 1
I would definitely put Ragavan as #1. Probably the strongest creature of all time.
Most efficient yes most powerful no. The monkey is best on turns 1&2 when there's little to no way of stopping him; later in the game he represents read draws. Cards above him actually WIN the game
Honestly Ragavan kind of sucks in the context of every 60 card format it's legal in ATM.
@@peeporiot9948 Ragavan can absolutely win a game for you, it's just not super flashy like breach LED brainfreeze combo'ing out to kill you in a turn. That being said, there's no way it's better than breach or wheel in the context of broken red cards.
1st!
HonoUrable mention list is way bigger than the real list. 🤡
Which banned red cards should not have been talked about in a video entitled "Every Banned Red Card"?
Imagine basing your identity so heavily around hating another country’s spelling system.
@@jellywillreturn You're thick and woke.
Yes. What the world really needs is more silent vowels.