Great Shooting, you got some awesome groups there!! I’m definitely getting some of this soon. They have 6 bricks of it at my local place for $70 each. The Tac 22 is $49.95 a brick. Got a few of those so far and I’ve had real good results at 50yards. Need to get a 100-300 yard scope on my suppressed 457 Jaguar. I’m staying with its original barrel and trigger group. SK Rifle Match has been awesome for me as well. I have been separating the rounds, tight crimped from loosely crimped projectile ones. It’s been fool proof. Separation of them for weight & rim diameter & thickness has been a waist of time. Loose from tight ones has been working. With all types of ammo, including the bulk. Thanks!
I just had a Bergara BMR sent to me and the Norma shoots great out of it, I’ve only tried a few other ammunitions, Eley SABR and Sk semi auto, but the Norma shot the best. I like Norma
yeah it is not to me either I have never been able to get Norma Match to shoot though. Now Norma TAC22 on the other hand was good but seems to have fallen off as well but not bad for plinking. I want some of the new norma long range exteme. My understanding they have had it for a long time but waited for their patented bullet to be approved.
My experience with this ammo is that it wants to shoot, but is just never consistent enough for “great” groups. My Chrono always shows this as well. It’s great for the price and occasionally I get a good lot, but it’s like 1 out of 4 lots that I receive that is useable in NRL matches. At 300-400 yards it’s just not consistent enough.
I agree. I actually like Norma ammunition. When it’s good it shoots as good as it gets. And just like all other .22 ammunition it depends on the lot. I’ve had my share of bad lots from SK, Eley you name it. Hell I paid $24 per box for some Lapua Super Long Range that didn’t shoot for shit. I’d rather pay $8. Lol
From the comments and your video, it appears that Norma Match is very similar to SK Match. SK can be very accurate, but it varies from lot to lot. I have had bricks that we excellent and some not so much. The brick I have now will seem like there's several fliers in each box.
Seems to be worse lately, I think there running there machines at full capacity and not checking tolerances like they’re supposed too. It’s always been somewhat inconsistent but its been horrible lately. And it goes for Norma and Sk and Lapua.
I shot their Norma Match ammo also and got under 1/2" with all 10 shots on one bullseye at 50 yards. My 10/22 custom Shaw .920 barrel loves this ammo! Remember that some barrels prefer this ammo, and there are some that will not like it!
When you have shot it in 8 different rifles and it shot the same out of every one there’s a problem with the ammo. I don’t say negative things about products unless I’ve tested it thoroughly. If you read the comments there’s a few other people with the same results.
@@RimfireSS I would be happy to email you a photo front and back of the 10 shot group I fired with this ammo at 50 yards. I only use 10 round magazines in my custom 10/22's as that is what the rifle was designed for! Just like the AR-15 was designed by Eugene Stoner for 20 round mags not 30 round mags. Most problems are caused by magazine issues not ammo issues. Maybe you got a poor batch of ammo, or it could be using 15 or 25 round mags?
@@bobbygray496 Bobby, I have shot .15 groups at 50 yards with this ammunition, I know it shoots. And I also know the ruger 15-25 round magazines put a tremendous amount of pressure on the rounds and damage the rounds before they even get to the chamber. But I have a bunch of theses rifles and most of them are not Rugers, there Bergaras, CZs and they don’t have the problems associated with the Ruger 10/22 magazines
@@whiskeykilmer1866 a lot of the 15 and 25 round Ruger 10/22 magazines do damage the rounds while feeding. They have so much upward pressure so they will feed the semi auto rifle that the feeding process will put a deep crease the length of the cartridge. It’s a joke really. I’m actually surprised they shoot as well as they do.
Norma has teased the Xtreme LR-22 with that neat boat tail and 42g design for the US market, but we've yet to see it. I'm looking forward to trying it when it gets here. I wish the current production of Match-22 and tac-22 were as good as the early red box ammo was when it was released, but it's not as good as that now, much less the old black box stuff.
@@RimfireSS the product is new but on shelves in sweden. Its expensive - comparable to lapua xact RWS R50, Eley tennex etc. Guess the price will go down over time.
The wolf is made by Eley, and shoots much like Eley Match. It did shoot good but I’d rather shoot the Eley Match so I can get the specific lot that I use, or I can get it by the FPS that shoots the best in my rifle if they are out of my tested lot.
Norma Jaktmatch or translated from swedish "HuntMatch". Its just their cheapest ammo for practice that is sold in sweden and scandinavia. Price is the only reason for its existance, generaly a lower velocity ammo to match the hunting loads in respective calibre. But mainly a cheap alternative for practice and generaly not a good round for precision.
I don’t think so, hell I did this video months ago when there was just a whisper of a new “long range” ammunition coming. But it definitely has not tested well from what I’ve seen. Norma is horrible to get in contact with so I don’t think there spending a dime on advertising or promotional campaigns. They don’t return emails, phone calls, nothing. Atleast mine anyway.
It really depends on how precise you wanna be. Some guys say there rifle shoots better with a suppressor and I’m sure that’s a harmonics thing, But Most .22 suppressors will have a impact shift if some sort vs shooting without one. Also .22 has alot of byproduct carbon, much more than a centerfire. It will collect in the suppressor, If you don’t keep that suppressor clean your gonna have accuracy problems. Also, that extra back pressure in the barrel and the action will leave alot more carbon and crap in the barrel which can affect accuracy also. And it will cause a semi automatic action to foul alot faster. Most subsonic .22lr is hearing safe as it is and that’s why you don’t see guys using suppressors in .22 competition. IDK, subs really are not that loud to begin with so why take the risk and problems that come along with it when competing. Now if your trying to be stealthy a .22 with a suppressor is about the quietest setup you can get, just make sure to keep the soot from building up in it and definitely zero the rifle with the suppressor installed.
As always, great video and content. Ive only tried the Norma Tac 22 and the batch i had was horible. If Norma ever puts out some of the other stuff, i may try it in small quantities. In the meantime, ill stick to my plinking Federal Automatch, and Eley for accuracy.
I’ve had a box of that Norma tac 22 forever and have never shot it. How is that stuff? I got some Norma .308 ridiculously cheap at Christmas time. Very good rounds!
The Tac22 works well for some people, it’s much like the Match, if you get a good lot it shoots lights out, but getting that lot that shoots is the hard part.
@@jaredhighlands4604 this is a old video, Norma is great when you get a good lot. That's tricky as maybe 40 percent of the different lots I've had were good. The others were just ok.
@@jaredhighlands4604 what rifle are you running? I have had problems with my Brownells bolt not firing some rounds but in any other rifle there fine. Got rid of those bolts and replaced them with Kidd bolts. Try the duds in a different rifle. Norma doesn't usually have that problem
No I haven’t had much luck with the super fast stuff being accurate. I only shoot subsonic as it doesn’t have to go from super sonic to transonic which they say destabilizes the bullet at longer range.
They have a lot of nerve putting inconsistent "tail end" ammo in boxes labeled match. If it cannot be relied upon for consistency, its no good in a match. I'll definitely be taking a wait and see attitude with any 22lr sold by Norma.
@@alexmason1387 every guns different but my Cz 457 varmint 20” shoots 80% or better of most ammos i try extremely well. Some even hammer. And I’m talking normal shelf ammo not lot tested or high end match stuff. I bought 2 boxes of red and tested it against the tac black box i have bricks of. The black out shot the red in every group.
@@MrBoostin18 In my rifles, the older TAC22 shot better as well. My rifles also love the old Norma Match. The newer red box Norma TAC22 acted like Remington thunderbolts in cold weather. Absolutely horrible!!!
I haven’t seen it, neither is the long range, but it’s on there website so I’m hoping we will get it soon. I tried to get ahold of someone but nobody ever got back with me or returned my calls.
We have this older stuff at our club. Seems no one has got exceptional accuracy with this ammo. Seems dirty and noisier than the likes of SK. Not badly priced though.
They did the same to me! I ordered it when they called it long range match 22 then got the same crap I had that doesn’t shoot very well! Customer service is trash but after a few days did get to return it but only got part of my money back! I will not be ordering Norma anymore! SK semi auto is better at the same price
Why , when making a comparison, do shooters not have a “control” ammo that has a known performance. Shooting a group or two of the control ammo will indicate the effect environmental conditions are having on the test groups.
I’m evaluating the ammunition in the video, not a control. These videos are expensive enough to make without wasting ammunition on a control. I have a wind flag for environmental conditions, if you would like to donate some control ammunition I’ll shoot control groups for you.
That’s what all the guys that shoot them say. But every time they go head to head on video it never happens. Lol. And those rifles are not affordable either. The .22lr will still be around in another 100 years. I’m not worried.
It seems every 22 shooter judges ammo by the groups they get with a certain rifle. Ok I guess but the groups are a combination 3 major things the rifle the ammo and the shooter and not always in that order. Not many say how good they are just how good they think the ammo is. Oh well such is life.
It runs in all my semi autos, real well in most. I have quite a few & a decent variety. Tell me which ones it does not run well in, I may be of some help.
I absolutely love their Tac22
If you look at the headstamp, it says RWS…. same boattail bullet as the Match-22
Great Shooting, you got some awesome groups there!! I’m definitely getting some of this soon. They have 6 bricks of it at my local place for $70 each. The Tac 22 is $49.95 a brick. Got a few of those so far and I’ve had real good results at 50yards. Need to get a 100-300 yard scope on my suppressed 457 Jaguar. I’m staying with its original barrel and trigger group. SK Rifle Match has been awesome for me as well. I have been separating the rounds, tight crimped from loosely crimped projectile ones. It’s been fool proof. Separation of them for weight & rim diameter & thickness has been a waist of time. Loose from tight ones has been working. With all types of ammo, including the bulk. Thanks!
Picked up a few boxes of this ammo a couple of weeks ago. I was happy with how it shot out of my Faxon barrel.
I just had a Bergara BMR sent to me and the Norma shoots great out of it, I’ve only tried a few other ammunitions, Eley SABR and Sk semi auto, but the Norma shot the best. I like Norma
@@RimfireSS I’m really liking the SK semi auto too. Got the best groups with it out of my gun but the Norma was a close second.
yeah it is not to me either I have never been able to get Norma Match to shoot though. Now Norma TAC22 on the other hand was good but seems to have fallen off as well but not bad for plinking. I want some of the new norma long range exteme. My understanding they have had it for a long time but waited for their patented bullet to be approved.
I’m waiting….. lol
My experience with this ammo is that it wants to shoot, but is just never consistent enough for “great” groups. My Chrono always shows this as well. It’s great for the price and occasionally I get a good lot, but it’s like 1 out of 4 lots that I receive that is useable in NRL matches. At 300-400 yards it’s just not consistent enough.
Exactly.
For the money that’s pretty dang good.
I agree. I actually like Norma ammunition. When it’s good it shoots as good as it gets. And just like all other .22 ammunition it depends on the lot. I’ve had my share of bad lots from SK, Eley you name it. Hell I paid $24 per box for some Lapua Super Long Range that didn’t shoot for shit. I’d rather pay $8. Lol
I shot exactly this kind of Norma rounds with my Alfa Proj revolver and they are pretty good. I will try them with CZ457
From the comments and your video, it appears that Norma Match is very similar to SK Match. SK can be very accurate, but it varies from lot to lot. I have had bricks that we excellent and some not so much. The brick I have now will seem like there's several fliers in each box.
Seems to be worse lately, I think there running there machines at full capacity and not checking tolerances like they’re supposed too. It’s always been somewhat inconsistent but its been horrible lately. And it goes for Norma and Sk and Lapua.
I shot their Norma Match ammo also and got under 1/2" with all 10 shots on one bullseye at 50 yards. My 10/22 custom Shaw .920 barrel loves this ammo! Remember that some barrels prefer this ammo, and there are some that will not like it!
When you have shot it in 8 different rifles and it shot the same out of every one there’s a problem with the ammo. I don’t say negative things about products unless I’ve tested it thoroughly. If you read the comments there’s a few other people with the same results.
@@RimfireSS I would be happy to email you a photo front and back of the 10 shot group I fired with this ammo at 50 yards. I only use 10 round magazines in my custom 10/22's as that is what the rifle was designed for! Just like the AR-15 was designed by Eugene Stoner for 20 round mags not 30 round mags. Most problems are caused by magazine issues not ammo issues. Maybe you got a poor batch of ammo, or it could be using 15 or 25 round mags?
@@bobbygray496 How could a magazine have anything to do with ammo accuracy unless it's causing feeding problems and the bullets are being damaged?
@@bobbygray496 Bobby, I have shot .15 groups at 50 yards with this ammunition, I know it shoots. And I also know the ruger 15-25 round magazines put a tremendous amount of pressure on the rounds and damage the rounds before they even get to the chamber. But I have a bunch of theses rifles and most of them are not Rugers, there Bergaras, CZs and they don’t have the problems associated with the Ruger 10/22 magazines
@@whiskeykilmer1866 a lot of the 15 and 25 round Ruger 10/22 magazines do damage the rounds while feeding. They have so much upward pressure so they will feed the semi auto rifle that the feeding process will put a deep crease the length of the cartridge. It’s a joke really. I’m actually surprised they shoot as well as they do.
Nice shooting !!!
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Norma has teased the Xtreme LR-22 with that neat boat tail and 42g design for the US market, but we've yet to see it. I'm looking forward to trying it when it gets here. I wish the current production of Match-22 and tac-22 were as good as the early red box ammo was when it was released, but it's not as good as that now, much less the old black box stuff.
I agree, that LR stuff looks good. Hopefully it’s affordable, the latest brick I just got the other day shoots good.
@@RimfireSS the product is new but on shelves in sweden. Its expensive - comparable to lapua xact RWS R50, Eley tennex etc. Guess the price will go down over time.
@@jmkhenka thanks for the info
Have you tried Wolf match extra? I got slightly better groups from the Wolf, by I did actually get the best single group from the Norma Match-22.
The wolf is made by Eley, and shoots much like Eley Match. It did shoot good but I’d rather shoot the Eley Match so I can get the specific lot that I use, or I can get it by the FPS that shoots the best in my rifle if they are out of my tested lot.
I love the black box norma, the match shoots like CCI standard, its ok but black box shoots better in my rifle
I’ve had mixed results with the black box, but everyone’s rifles are different. Thanks for sharing!
Norma Jaktmatch or translated from swedish "HuntMatch". Its just their cheapest ammo for practice that is sold in sweden and scandinavia. Price is the only reason for its existance, generaly a lower velocity ammo to match the hunting loads in respective calibre.
But mainly a cheap alternative for practice and generaly not a good round for precision.
Thanks for the info.
Norma must have spent a fortune on marketing, every man and his dog are on TH-cam testing Norma and really not cutting the mustard!
I don’t think so, hell I did this video months ago when there was just a whisper of a new “long range” ammunition coming. But it definitely has not tested well from what I’ve seen. Norma is horrible to get in contact with so I don’t think there spending a dime on advertising or promotional campaigns. They don’t return emails, phone calls, nothing. Atleast mine anyway.
What are you thoughts about accuracy with a 22lr and the use of a suppressor?
It really depends on how precise you wanna be. Some guys say there rifle shoots better with a suppressor and I’m sure that’s a harmonics thing, But Most .22 suppressors will have a impact shift if some sort vs shooting without one. Also .22 has alot of byproduct carbon, much more than a centerfire. It will collect in the suppressor, If you don’t keep that suppressor clean your gonna have accuracy problems. Also, that extra back pressure in the barrel and the action will leave alot more carbon and crap in the barrel which can affect accuracy also. And it will cause a semi automatic action to foul alot faster. Most subsonic .22lr is hearing safe as it is and that’s why you don’t see guys using suppressors in .22 competition. IDK, subs really are not that loud to begin with so why take the risk and problems that come along with it when competing. Now if your trying to be stealthy a .22 with a suppressor is about the quietest setup you can get, just make sure to keep the soot from building up in it and definitely zero the rifle with the suppressor installed.
Hi, is Norma just RWS repacked.
As always, great video and content. Ive only tried the Norma Tac 22 and the batch i had was horible. If Norma ever puts out some of the other stuff, i may try it in small quantities. In the meantime, ill stick to my plinking Federal Automatch, and Eley for accuracy.
Solid plan, and thanks for watching
I’ve had a box of that Norma tac 22 forever and have never shot it. How is that stuff? I got some Norma .308 ridiculously cheap at Christmas time. Very good rounds!
The Tac22 works well for some people, it’s much like the Match, if you get a good lot it shoots lights out, but getting that lot that shoots is the hard part.
Just grabbed 12 50 boxes to test out off psa. 2.99 a box so will see if it is good
@@jaredhighlands4604 this is a old video, Norma is great when you get a good lot. That's tricky as maybe 40 percent of the different lots I've had were good. The others were just ok.
Like 60% are did rounds? Like don't fire at all when pin hits? Just got my order in 20 small boxes to play with since it was cheap
@@jaredhighlands4604 what rifle are you running? I have had problems with my Brownells bolt not firing some rounds but in any other rifle there fine. Got rid of those bolts and replaced them with Kidd bolts. Try the duds in a different rifle. Norma doesn't usually have that problem
@@RimfireSS conversion kits for ar and Glock as well as a 10/22
@@jaredhighlands4604 did it do it in all the rifles or a specific one?
How's the barrel? Clean, no carbon ring? I'm sure with your experience you wouldn't miss something like that.
Your right I wouldn’t.
Did you try sorting your Norma match..it might help
I did and it kinda did but was not consistent enough to be worth it IMO… idk
Thinks its RWS in a Norma box for the long range line
RWS makes all Norma Ammunition. To Norma’s specs.
I punched this up was thinking was there current Eco speed (dedicated precision) 24gr U know anything on that. $4.99
No I haven’t had much luck with the super fast stuff being accurate. I only shoot subsonic as it doesn’t have to go from super sonic to transonic which they say destabilizes the bullet at longer range.
@@RimfireSS Appritiate .
They have a lot of nerve putting inconsistent "tail end" ammo in boxes labeled match. If it cannot be relied upon for consistency, its no good in a match. I'll definitely be taking a wait and see attitude with any 22lr sold by Norma.
Not sure I follow the last sentence but I think I get the picture.
It might be rebranded RWS. I beleive RWS bought Norma last year.
Norma .22 is absolutely made by RWS.
The new red box tac 22 doesn’t shoot no where near as good as the black box tac 22
Agreed
Solid disagree
@@alexmason1387 every guns different but my Cz 457 varmint 20” shoots 80% or better of most ammos i try extremely well. Some even hammer. And I’m talking normal shelf ammo not lot tested or high end match stuff. I bought 2 boxes of red and tested it against the tac black box i have bricks of. The black out shot the red in every group.
@@MrBoostin18 In my rifles, the older TAC22 shot better as well. My rifles also love the old Norma Match. The newer red box Norma TAC22 acted like Remington thunderbolts in cold weather. Absolutely horrible!!!
Is this ammo made by RWS also, like the TAC22?
I believe so, although Norma has a few different manufacturers making this ammo from what I understand.
What rail and rings are you running?
50 MOA Area 419 and a Warn pro mount. I’ve since changed to a American rifle co medium mount. Think it’s a 1.1” that Warn mount was a tad to high.
Is the Biathlon ammo even available?
I haven’t seen it, neither is the long range, but it’s on there website so I’m hoping we will get it soon. I tried to get ahold of someone but nobody ever got back with me or returned my calls.
We have this older stuff at our club. Seems no one has got exceptional accuracy with this ammo. Seems dirty and noisier than the likes of SK. Not badly priced though.
The last brick I got shoots well out of everything. If the long range stuff ever hits the market I’ll give it a shot.
What is the length of that barrel?
20”
@@RimfireSS Thanks for the info. I’m 74 and have always enjoyed 22 rifles and really enjoy your videos. I have a range in my yard also.
They did the same to me! I ordered it when they called it long range match 22 then got the same crap I had that doesn’t shoot very well! Customer service is trash but after a few days did get to return it but only got part of my money back! I will not be ordering Norma anymore! SK semi auto is better at the same price
I shot mine and it shot very good. It’s hit or miss. Hopefully they will watch there tolerances better, when you get a good box it really shoots.
The eco speed bullet is so light it won’t cycle my 22/45
I’ve never tried those.
Why , when making a comparison, do shooters not have a “control” ammo that has a known performance. Shooting a group or two of the control ammo will indicate the effect environmental conditions are having on the test groups.
I’m evaluating the ammunition in the video, not a control. These videos are expensive enough to make without wasting ammunition on a control. I have a wind flag for environmental conditions, if you would like to donate some control ammunition I’ll shoot control groups for you.
My FX Impact air rifle shoots one hole groups at a 100yards, .22lr is dead in the water guys, its time to let it go!
That’s what all the guys that shoot them say. But every time they go head to head on video it never happens. Lol. And those rifles are not affordable either. The .22lr will still be around in another 100 years. I’m not worried.
It seems every 22 shooter judges ammo by the groups they get with a certain rifle. Ok I guess but the groups are a combination 3 major things the rifle the ammo and the shooter and not always in that order. Not many say how good they are just how good they think the ammo is. Oh well such is life.
what? What should he say about how good he is? And what are the 3 things? Us benchrest shooters need to know lol.
Anyone who ever shot a rifle off a bench is a bench rest shooter.
@@jwoodshed1108 thank you.
Just watched a video and guy claimed he shot less than 1/4 at 100 yds with basically a factory 10/22 with Aguila ammo. Lol
Not that it's impossible, but improbable. Was it a 2 shot group out of five? Lol
@@RimfireSS no he claimed it was 5 but he dismissed a flyer. Lol. I don't think he knew how to use his calipers.
@@timvest8141 do you have a link to the video? I’d like to see it. Lol
@@RimfireSS I can't do it on my phone but I'll look it up on my laptop tomorrow and find it.
@@RimfireSS th-cam.com/video/ud6TbXHJbo4/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgxYaoml8f9Hb50DwYt4AaABAg
Not as good as the original is an understatement it's garbage!!!! It turns my semi-automatic guns into single shot guns
I haven’t had it that bad. lol but it isn’t great that’s for sure. The last brick I bought was decent. That’s what I used in this video.
It runs in all my semi autos, real well in most. I have quite a few & a decent variety. Tell me which ones it does not run well in, I may be of some help.