I don’t normally comment much but dude your content is great! I just got into 22lr with a 10/22 match bull barrel and a RPR. I love them both. Keep the videos coming. I literally found your channel this week an have already watch all your videos.
I shoot a Vudoo V22-S. The only ammo I've ever used has been Lapua brand (either Ctr-X or SK Std+) so, after watching your results, I thought I'd give the NORMA MATCH a try. I chrono'd 50 rounds today with unexpected results: SD=8.5, ES=34. That's pretty close to Ctr-X at 1/2 the cost! I know, it's only 50 so I plan on doing another 2 boxes tomorrow. I'm hoping I get similar results.
Ive been running Tac22 for competitions in my CZ457 and its all i will buy now for the price you cannot beat it. I ordered about 2000 rounds directly from Norma last summer, found it to be cheaper than the local stores.
Have you tried Wolf 22 Match? I got a smaller average group size at 50 yards than the Norma Match 22. Although I note that the Norma Match 22 yielded the smallest single group overall.
Outstanding video. I need to start checking all my ammo for loose bullets. I think your on to something here. My Savage Mark II shots lights out with this stuff. However, I should mention that I also have an ATS barrel tuner on it. Now I need to check my CZ 457 MTR and the Varmint that I have to see if it will like Norma as well as my Savage. Thanks for the video. Good work.
First thing I learned years ago is that domestic, US made ammo, is crap if you are looking for consistent precision. Eley has always been the most consistent, Lapua a distant 2nd. The best you can expect from sorted ammo, to include sorting by weight or rim thickness, is to eliminate some flyers. I found this to be the case across Vudoo, Tikka, Ruger, and Anschutz platforms. I shoot with a group of guys that shoot Savage, Tikka, BSA, Winchester, and Anschutz. All have migrated to low end to mid-range Eley.
My ruger rimfire LTR loved the Norma tac 22 me doing my best in the .3’s I was just using black cover up stickers as a target on a box so holding exact same point of aim was my challenge ended up with afew .7’s but very similar to your results I was happy as a pig in shit my rifles hated all the expensive match stuff and loves the 7.99 a box stuff
I`ve had far better results from the black Norma boxes. Shoots (50yds) lights out in all of my CZ457`s, and several of my ruger`s (RPR`s & 1022`s) LOVE the standard black box Norma Tac22.
I watch a lot of your vid's but am late to this one. It just now came up on my watch list. I have a theory here. I'll just about bet the less than possible expected fliers from the loose bullets to case shots are due to the Bentz chamber forcing them tightly back into the case although there is no guarantee they will be perfectly aligned. I Would also bet that in a lesser chamber, such as a typical sporter chamber would show many more fliers as the bullets would be allowed to enter the lead an different angles much more often as there is no real guiding them in by funneling in such a chamber. KnifeMaker
I’ll be doing more at 100 for sure. When I first started this channel I did a lot of 100 yard shooting and people couldn’t believe that these expensive match barrels would only shoot a inch. Some do better depending on the ammo. But most people think if there rifle shoots .5 at 50 it will shoot 1” at 100. Lol couldn’t be further from the truth. Although a few of my rifles will shoot .6 or .7 most of them are at a inch or more. Rarely get a calm day here so the wind plays a big part too. A few people said my rigs were junk for only shooting a inch. I was pretty happy that a semi auto did that well honestly.
Yes windy or breezes are tough..my Kidd bbl Kidd bolt will usually do 7/8 to 1" at 100yds but I use a harroll tuner and makes tac22 pretty. Good for cheap...then to make it really tough we shoot golf balls at 300yds.. makes 100 look easy...
After seeing this, I should be looking for Norma Match! Im working with some TAC22 and so far CCI Standard Velocity has it beat, by very little, using a Rem. 597.
@@user-my5gj4me6q I haven’t had much luck with CCI Standard. I mean it shoots ok but SK Standard is so much better for a couple dollars more. And it shoots in all my rifles.
Yeah your right. Most of my rifles with the right ammo will shoot .2s and .3s pretty easy as long as I do my part. I guess when you get used to that .50 groups don’t look so good. Lol
Your tight crimp TAC22, $4.29 a box, shot the same average group size as the Match, $7.99 a box. As long as at least 27 rounds in the TAC22 box have a tight crimp you will be paying less per round than buying the Match. And you have all the loose crimp to plink with.
Did they change the Tac22 box & what kind of barrel you have on the Ruger? Also is your chronograph telling you how fast them ammo are going, what kind is that as well?
Your not the first person to say that. I just bought some more 15 rounders. Those seem to do it for me. Unless it’s cold out, then none of these 10/22 rifles run 💯
Not only the bullets get damaged by the next in line. But your bottom of bolt will scrape the following round from the pressure of spring. Shoot one then look at mag, the bullet may have a line through it.
It’s more consistent overall, and that not just based on the video. I’ve had way and I mean way better results with the Match over the Tac, and that’s in all my rifles. The Tac is decent but I’ll spend alittle more on the Match for better consistency. I normally do not have the time to sort my ammunition and the results are really not good enough in m opinion to take the time to do it.
@@RimfireSS OK. Like I said before, we don't have much of a choice for .22LR ammo here. Yesterday I went to the different chops to see what they have available. The only brands I could find other than CCI, S&B and Winchester, all of which I already have, was Norma Tacc-22 and Norma-2, so I bought one box of each. The one salesman tried to convince me that CCI Stingers was accurate. At 100 meter the Tac-22 was all over the target at 69mm "group", if you can call it that, and the more expensive Norma-2 did better at around 25 - 35mm but not as good as the CCI Standard Velocity. With the Norma-2 about 50% more expensive than the CCI, I will rather stay with the CCI until we eventually get some match ammo.
That’s coming up next, lol, I’m heading out to shoot my next video, First Bolt Action will be the Ruger RPR, then CZ 457 MTR trainer then the Bergara B14r. Hopefully that should cover the gambit of Bolt actions out there.
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I don’t normally comment much but dude your content is great! I just got into 22lr with a 10/22 match bull barrel and a RPR. I love them both. Keep the videos coming. I literally found your channel this week an have already watch all your videos.
The editing and target presentation was kinda rough on my early videos but I’m getting better. Lol, thanks for watching! And hopefully subscribing.
Phenomenal and very interesting results to the say the least! Excellent video and thank Norma Match for the win!!
Outstanding shooting buddy.
I shoot a Vudoo V22-S. The only ammo I've ever used has been Lapua brand (either Ctr-X or SK Std+) so, after watching your results, I thought I'd give the NORMA MATCH a try. I chrono'd 50 rounds today with unexpected results: SD=8.5, ES=34. That's pretty close to Ctr-X at 1/2 the cost! I know, it's only 50 so I plan on doing another 2 boxes tomorrow. I'm hoping I get similar results.
I’ve been through about 4000 rounds in a month and it’s been consistent throughout. I just bought another 6000 rounds. I’m afraid they’ll run out. Lol
Ive been running Tac22 for competitions in my CZ457 and its all i will buy now for the price you cannot beat it. I ordered about 2000 rounds directly from Norma last summer, found it to be cheaper than the local stores.
Your target is moving a lot!
Have you tried Wolf 22 Match? I got a smaller average group size at 50 yards than the Norma Match 22. Although I note that the Norma Match 22 yielded the smallest single group overall.
I have, that’s actually make by Eley. It shoots much like the Eley Match. But you can’t order it by lot number like you can the Eley.
Outstanding video. I need to start checking all my ammo for loose bullets. I think your on to something here. My Savage Mark II shots lights out with this stuff. However, I should mention that I also have an ATS barrel tuner on it. Now I need to check my CZ 457 MTR and the Varmint that I have to see if it will like Norma as well as my Savage. Thanks for the video. Good work.
I just bought a .22lr crimper, I’ll be crimping a few boxes and Chrono graphing those crimped bullets vs un crimped. Should be a good video.
First thing I learned years ago is that domestic, US made ammo, is crap if you are looking for consistent precision. Eley has always been the most consistent, Lapua a distant 2nd. The best you can expect from sorted ammo, to include sorting by weight or rim thickness, is to eliminate some flyers. I found this to be the case across Vudoo, Tikka, Ruger, and Anschutz platforms. I shoot with a group of guys that shoot Savage, Tikka, BSA, Winchester, and Anschutz. All have migrated to low end to mid-range Eley.
Thanks for the video. It seems to me that the tac22 L/C was a bigger group with the speed over 1060,, most of the time. That is something i noticed.
My ruger rimfire LTR loved the Norma tac 22 me doing my best in the .3’s I was just using black cover up stickers as a target on a box so holding exact same point of aim was my challenge ended up with afew .7’s but very similar to your results I was happy as a pig in shit my rifles hated all the expensive match stuff and loves the 7.99 a box stuff
I`ve had far better results from the black Norma boxes. Shoots (50yds) lights out in all of my CZ457`s, and several of my ruger`s (RPR`s & 1022`s) LOVE the standard black box Norma Tac22.
I watch a lot of your vid's but am late to this one. It just now came up on my watch list.
I have a theory here. I'll just about bet the less than possible expected fliers from the loose bullets to case shots are due to the Bentz chamber forcing them tightly back into the case although there is no guarantee they will be perfectly aligned.
I Would also bet that in a lesser chamber, such as a typical sporter chamber would show many more fliers as the bullets would be allowed to enter the lead an different angles much more often as there is no real guiding them in by funneling in such a chamber.
KnifeMaker
Nice shooting. Good evaluation of the two Norma's.
Thank you, I’m getting better. Still pretty new to all this. I’m glad you liked it.
Flyers aren’t flyers. They are the part of shot distribution we don’t like.
Would like to see this test at 100yds..that will tell the difference better. 50 is not far enough. Good for handguns .
I’ll be doing more at 100 for sure. When I first started this channel I did a lot of 100 yard shooting and people couldn’t believe that these expensive match barrels would only shoot a inch. Some do better depending on the ammo. But most people think if there rifle shoots .5 at 50 it will shoot 1” at 100. Lol couldn’t be further from the truth. Although a few of my rifles will shoot .6 or .7 most of them are at a inch or more. Rarely get a calm day here so the wind plays a big part too. A few people said my rigs were junk for only shooting a inch. I was pretty happy that a semi auto did that well honestly.
Yes windy or breezes are tough..my Kidd bbl Kidd bolt will usually do 7/8 to 1" at 100yds but I use a harroll tuner and makes tac22 pretty. Good for cheap...then to make it really tough we shoot golf balls at 300yds.. makes 100 look easy...
From 50 to 100yrds the drop is 7.5 inches! 50yrds is the standard test for 22lr.
After seeing this, I should be looking for Norma Match! Im working with some TAC22 and so far CCI Standard Velocity has it beat, by very little, using a Rem. 597.
The Match is hit or miss. I’ve had some that was the best ammo I’ve ever shot and other lots that struggle to shoot 1/2”.
@@RimfireSS I'd be happy with 3/4" 😮😅
@@chrislang5659 well then the Match should do just fine! Lol
Do you think it's One Line and they sort some how and the best become Match-22 and the rest TAC-22 :???? Thanks
That’s what most manufacturers do, so that would be my best guess.
Great vid buddy 👍👍
Thanks man!
That the Green Mountain 18" barrel?
20” Green Mountain
@RimfireSS should try more CCi ammo tests for the GM. Alot of them they made.
@@user-my5gj4me6q I haven’t had much luck with CCI Standard. I mean it shoots ok but SK Standard is so much better for a couple dollars more. And it shoots in all my rifles.
Its doing pretty well when a half inch group looks bad.
Yeah your right. Most of my rifles with the right ammo will shoot .2s and .3s pretty easy as long as I do my part. I guess when you get used to that .50 groups don’t look so good. Lol
Your tight crimp TAC22, $4.29 a box, shot the same average group size as the Match, $7.99 a box. As long as at least 27 rounds in the TAC22 box have a tight crimp you will be paying less per round than buying the Match. And you have all the loose crimp to plink with.
Did they change the Tac22 box & what kind of barrel you have on the Ruger? Also is your chronograph telling you how fast them ammo are going, what kind is that as well?
www.opticsplanet.com/competition-electronics-prochrono-dlx-with-bluetooth.html
Great vid! This might sound funny but I get better groups with my 10 round magazine then I do with my 25 bx test after test I don't get it!
Your not the first person to say that. I just bought some more 15 rounders. Those seem to do it for me. Unless it’s cold out, then none of these 10/22 rifles run 💯
I have 3 factory Ruger 10 rounders and 1 shoots great but other 2 are crap.
Likely because the round gets rubbed across the magazine as it gets chambered
Not only the bullets get damaged by the next in line. But your bottom of bolt will scrape the following round from the pressure of spring. Shoot one then look at mag, the bullet may have a line through it.
The tight crimp Tac22 and the Match did the same at .40", so I don't know why you said the Match is so much better. Please explain.
It’s more consistent overall, and that not just based on the video. I’ve had way and I mean way better results with the Match over the Tac, and that’s in all my rifles. The Tac is decent but I’ll spend alittle more on the Match for better consistency. I normally do not have the time to sort my ammunition and the results are really not good enough in m opinion to take the time to do it.
@@RimfireSS OK. Like I said before, we don't have much of a choice for .22LR ammo here. Yesterday I went to the different chops to see what they have available. The only brands I could find other than CCI, S&B and Winchester, all of which I already have, was Norma Tacc-22 and Norma-2, so I bought one box of each. The one salesman tried to convince me that CCI Stingers was accurate.
At 100 meter the Tac-22 was all over the target at 69mm "group", if you can call it that, and the more expensive Norma-2 did better at around 25 - 35mm but not as good as the CCI Standard Velocity. With the Norma-2 about 50% more expensive than the CCI, I will rather stay with the CCI until we eventually get some match ammo.
@@L.V-Rider good call
This guy didn’t watch the full video I think.
@@KylerTony45 Who are you talking about? Who are you to say what you said?
Norma head space is different for bolt guns
Is that a 20" barrel?
Yes
good video , Darn Fliers, By the way you are moving at your pull. "just saying"
Without a scope camera view how on earth can you possibly say that? Come on Ken..
How does it shoot in a bolt action?
I second that request 👍👍👍👍
That’s coming up next, lol, I’m heading out to shoot my next video, First Bolt Action will be the Ruger RPR, then CZ 457 MTR trainer then the Bergara B14r. Hopefully that should cover the gambit of Bolt actions out there.
Ummm so I just got done shooting the RPR video and just Wow! Your gonna have to wait a few days for me to post it though. Lol
@@RimfireSS looking forward to it. Thanks 👍👍
@@RimfireSS awesome I have both of those rifles. Very interested in how they like it
What chronograph app are you using?
www.opticsplanet.com/competition-electronics-prochrono-dlx-with-bluetooth.html
You need this combo as far as I know. But it needs to be set up exactly right or it goes out all the time.
@@RimfireSS ok, so you do have an actual chronograph not just the app. Thank you that helps a lot. Just getting started in precision rimfire.
@@charlesduncanmckinley920 yeah, I sent the link on what I have.
@@RimfireSS I saw it. Thank you!
у меня на CZ457 c охотничьим стволом норма ТАС пул в пулю летит на 50м, а ту вообще кучность никака!!!
As soon as you shove the bullet with an auto loader there goes your lose bullet theory ……
How’s that?
Speed is the diff aswell?
Not sure I follow?
@@RimfireSS shell not same powder load?
Amount