Whey does trigger acne breakouts in people who already suffer from it. Whey and dairy won't give you acne if you don't already have it. It's not a CAUSE but it does indirectly affect people who already suffer from acne. All acne is hormonal. It's a genetic condition. Skin cells don't properly turn over. That means they are more prone to getting "plugged" by oil and therefore the acne bacteria already living on your body proliferates and causes the inflammation which you see as a pimple. The treatments for acne focus on reducing the bacteria, oil, and increasing skin cell turnover. Therefore anything that impacts those factors can trigger a breakout in people who ALREADY have the genetic condition. Some think whey and dairy stimulates more oil production in people with acne. The extra oil production clogs their pores because they already have acne and their skin cells don't turn over properly. Therefore they breakout. So it's not just whey and dairy. It's potentially anything that can cause more stimulation of oil glands. But not everyone is affected the same way. But A LOT of people are. This is well known in dermatology. Speak with any dermatologist and they will tell you there is a strong correlation between whey and dairy and triggering breakout in people who already have acne. They don't completely understand the mechanism. But people with acne should def be careful. Its the same reason SOME people breakout a lot when they take testosterone. Its going to stimulate oil production in the body and all acne is hormonal in both males and females. So if you don't have the genetic disease, nothing you take including whey is going to give it to you. But if you do have acne, diet amongst other things can absolutely be a trigger.
@@BMGipe45 don't take my word for it. Search TH-cam for dermatologist acne and dairy and see what they say. Or Google the American Academy of Dermatology and see what their stance is. I'm not a doctor but I suffer from acne and I'm just relaying what I've been told by my doctor and what the consensus is. It's no different than if I was to say energy balance is the main mechanism behind weight loss/gain according to Nutrition experts like Layne and others.
Totally agree I’ve been taking protein powder since the 70s & 80s never EVER had issues. I think from what I read and studied it’s an individual issue. Most of these younger people are still going threw hormonal issues. As well as genetic issues. A vast majority don’t have any acne related issues. Why is this even a discussion?
I think it's good to know that dermatologists see a correlation between whey and acne in office, but hasn't been able to find the cause. Some people may not react at all, others get a reaction. I personally get quite extreme back acne from it. Just good to be aware of this and keep an open mind about it.
Hey Layne, can you do a full video on what we truly know about how diet affects acne? It's a topic where so many strong claims are made on social media and TH-cam, but it's difficult to find solid info I can trust.
This is totally anecdotal, but every time I consume whey/concentrated milk protein in isolation (without fiber/fats), I am getting like 5-6 pimples in the following days. The whey-acne correlation anecdotes are not rare and that should prompt a further investigation. For example, we know that whey protein will spike IGF-1 more compared to the same amount of protein from lets say lentils, because of the food matrix. Would love if you can cover this topic in more detail in some future video :)
Acne is a genetic condition. If you have it, whey and dairy will trigger breakouts. If you don't have it, then you'll be fine. Whey stimulate oil production in your body which causes your pores to clog leading to breakouts. Acne is hormonal. So anything that causes more oil production can potentially trigger your breakouts. This is well known in the science. Checkout Dr Dray TH-cam channel. Shes a dermatologist and explains this clearly.
@@BeyondLumination milk/diary in addition to whey can trigger breakouts in people who suffer from acne. It's a genetic condition. Lookup Dr. Dray on TH-cam. She's a dermatologist. All acne is hormonal. Anything that increases oi production can trigger breakouts in people who suffer from acne.
Same. Every time I eat whey or drink milk I'll get acne. Since cutting out dairy products my skin has gotten clearer. Which sucks cus I love cheese and ice cream 😢
Dude...big fan but think you completely missed the mark on this one. I find it weird that you're discussing a nutritional problem that affects the skin and trying to discredit a skin doctor because his nutrition credentials are unclear. Acne is a skin condition. I could easily point out that you have no medical training as a doctor, much less a dermatologist...so maybe we shouldn't listen to you either? You're right we don't have a lot of data to support the claim that whey protein causes acne. We don't have a lot of data either way. It's just not there. Does that mean whey won't aggravate acne in certain individuals? Of course not. To draw an analogy, certain individuals can tolerate more training volume than others. Does that mean everyone will respond the same way to that training volume? Instead of writing off this claim as BS because there's a dearth of data on it (as you yourself point out), why not listen to actual acne sufferers who have found direct correlations between whey protein and acne breakouts? Or maybe look at what most derms are saying nowadays, which is "if whey/dairy seems problematic for you, try cutting it out and seeing how you do." Maybe you as the nutritional expert could, dare I say, recommend some viable alternatives?
I definitely find that dairy strongly exasperates my acne, I am prone to acne, however I haven't specifically tried whey without other dairy, I have no idea why it does this, but I have definitely found this is the case for myself
Whey destroys my forehead with acne. I can drink milk and all other dairy . I have no idea why but it definitely does as I’ve stopped all whey and no more issues. I still drink whole milk , cream and cheese .
@tomisaacson2762 Whey does trigger breakouts in people who already suffer from acne. It's a genetic condition. Whey won't give you the disease if you don't already have it. But it does indirectly trigger it in people who suffer from acne. The reason is it stimulates oil production. People with acne don't properly turn over skin cells. So their skin cells are more prone getting blocked. When you have more oil in the bed, the pore gets blocked, and bacteria living on your skin proliferates which causes the imune response that leads to the inflamed skin. Checkout Dr. Dray on TH-cam. She's a dermatologist and explains this.
Same, and it took me way too long to figure out! It seems casein protein is the culprit for me, cheese and especially nonfat Greek yogurt are guaranteed to give me pimples on my back, chest, etc. If I don't have casein I get no acne whatsoever. Pretty cut and dry causation in my case.
Yall are like me, intolerant to most parts of dairy. Commonly its whey, casein, and lactose. I can do casein with no issue though. Lactose and whey? Pimple city, lighting up my body like Rudolph cloned his nose a hundred times.
Same for me. Every single time I’ve taken whey, my skin has broken out. Without fail. I’ve come back to it over and over for about 15 years and the same thing every time. As much as I want to take whey, I’ve decided to stop. Going to try pea and hemp instead. 🤷
These "doctors" are the pinnacle of mankind's best. He probably is saying that because "I had a patient who had close to zero lactose tolerance, he took 200g of whey protein and in the next day he woke up with some pimples and severe diarrhea. Of course it's because of glucose and insulin sensitivity."
His mechanistic explanation probably isn’t right but all I know is when I drink whey my skin explodes in atrocious cystic painful acne 🤷♂️ I’m talking about it was so bad on my back that it could be seen through my t shirt.
I get the exact same reaction to whey 😭. Really, really painful cystic back acne that took months to clear up. Tried whey again and got the same hellish reaction again. Dermatologists see the correlation in office but haven't been able to find the cause.
@@FlippinFruitFly fr! It’s no secret at this point! I’m glad I figured it out but it wasn’t until several rounds of antibiotics and accutane that someone told me 😂
I’m done using Whey protein and dairy because since using it I have been experiencing severe acne like never before. This video was informative. Thank you!👍🏽
Dairy always gives me acne unless it is from sheep, goats or A2 cows. It’s because there is a hormone in most dairy that causes oil secretion in people like me. I can do whey isolate just fine, but whey concentrate makes me break out every time. It has nothing to do with the glucose.
Hi, Layne, I love your videos - you produce great content. The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is generalizations about doctors. There are a few doctors spewing nonsense and thank you for exposing them, but it's not fair to say that doctors don't understand nutrition in general. Some of us do :)
Yes. Whey will break you out even if you never had pimples. Never had pimples, or oily skin, started with whey and my skin turned to crap. Narrowed it down to whey, stopped using it and bam! The oil factory on my forehead shut down. No more pimples. I still use dairy every day like I always have.
fr like 4 months ago i stared drinking whey protein and i started getting lots of pimples and never in my life have i had pimples !!!!! im 15 14 and down i did not even had 1 pimple. i stop drinking whey protein for 2 days now and no new pimples !!!!!
Sugar and dairy are triggers. It likely is a hormonal issue, maybe a nutrient deficiency causing it. I heard low omega 3 may be a cause, and low vitamin A and D as well. All I know is a cleared mine and get no breakouts when I eat anything I'm intolerant to, since I started taking vitamin A, D, and high dose fish oil.
@@GuidetteExpert I think diet plays a role, but it's hard for many people to get completely acne-free with diet changes alone. I read the science-based book Skintelligent, and it has a big section on acne, including discussions of the common topical treatments and medications, and which ones are actually supported with good evidence.
I didn't know you could get chicken that wasn't grain fed. If your omega 6 intake isn't higher than any of omega 3 or 9 or saturated fat you will be fine
There is evidence that the glykamic index correlates with the cause of akne. And Milk and Milkprotein seems to have a much higher index than there is now. And you have to look up to whey proteins, one of the biggest aminoacids components are Leucins. There is some evidence, that this protein can also trigger more acne.
Me too as an esthetician, even though as a lifter (who can personally get away with consuming it if I'm careful enough with my topical skincare), I'd love to see everyone tolerate it (heck I'd also love to see all my clients lift weights...). I've been under the sad impression that it was due to the exact properties we desire in whey for muscle building - high leucine content that puts the body in an anabolic state (triggers skin cell proliferation along with all other cell proliferation, of course most especially muscle stimulated by tension to an even greater extent, but really puts the body in a tissue producing and retaining state so unsurprising that it would exacerbate a disorder characterized by excess cell proliferation and retention in those who haven't mastered preventive skincare).
Layne i am close personal friends with Lyle Mcdonald. I want to let you know that he insults you all of the time and says you are scared to debate him.
You might want to listen to the first line again champ. “Certain types of whey can make acne worse” key is make it worse. If you don’t have it, it can’t get worse can it 😂 cool story but bro.
I think this is probably a personalized thing. I feel super weird after whey protein like my blood sugar goes way up, I get a big headache and I get immediate digestive distress. And yup a few days later, I get chin pimples. But I can have Greek yogurt. And carbs are fine for me, especially fruit. I think there’s good evidence to support that some people don’t do great with whey; not enough to say it causes acne in all people but enough that we know some people are hypersensitive
Whey intolerance! I have a whey, lactose, and gluten intolerance. Casein is a-ok with me though. I still eat dairy because I addressed some nutrient deficiencies that were making the intolerance unbearable.
All I can say is I was using gold standard for a month my legs and forehead broke out like something from a horror movie.. had clean clothes clean towel wash thoroughly. Stop taking whey protein cleared up within two days
Acne is a genetic condition. Whey and dairy don't cause acne in people who don't have it. But if you have acne, why and dairy can absolutely trigger breakouts. That's because acne is hormonal. Whey can stimulate oil production in people and that's a factor required for a "plug" to form which leads to the inflamed skin. It's also why SOME people who take exogenous steroids get worse breakouts.
Just because it doesn't happen to you. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Happens to me and my other half, I'm lactose intolerant anyway. But I don't believe it's what he that guy said about the glucose level.
Dr. Is wrong in saying that whey causes acne from glucose rise. That's not the reason. Whey protein, even isolate contains enough bovine hormones that can definitely cause acne in people who have a intolerance to some dairy products.
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I have clear skin but as soon as I start taking protein shakes regularly I start getting hard and painful pimples. they go away when I stop taking the protein shakes. I have no idea why that is. I don't have any other food that triggers breakouts like protein shakes do.
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The funny thing is on keto diet my back acne disappears(which I had since school) and skin becomes just different looking. Now I'm not saying it's because carbs cause acne but there is definetely some food that does it to my skin so elimination diets help a lot.
No, carbs cause acne, but not all carbs. Spesifically the ones that high in glycemic index. They spike the blood sugarvery fast and that causesa acne. Although the connection between dairy products and acne is not fully explained, it is almost certainly carbohydrates that raise blood sugar levels quickly make acne worse. This seems to be the strongest link between diet and acne.
As someone with type 1 diabetes and CGM who consumes whey, I’m just going to say… it does not ‘spike’ BGLs & I don’t need a whole lot of insulin to prevent this…..Soooooo, he lost me if that’s his reasoning 😂😂😂
I get hormonal acne but it will gone for days, inflamed acne at least 1 if my period cycle starts, but I started taking whey protein daily after or before workout I started getting acne pretty badly. I will try to stop taking whey protein and see what happens. Also, I wash my face every after workout and even before workout so my suspicious is nothing else but the whey protein.
I had had a serious acne problem from 1988 until January 1992, when a friend recommended I made sure I had a lot of water over the course of any given day. The problem went away in less than a week. Could that work for everybody? No idea, but it wouldn’t hurt to try.
I supplement my diet with 100g of mostly whey, in shake form, and I don't have acne. And like you said, whey spiking glucose? When there is no glucose? UNLESS someone is taking a highly adulterated flavored protein mix that has a bunch of sugar in it? So dumb.
I have done a case study (on myself) many many times. Whey can definetly icrease acne. Probably trough insulin. Insulin increase testosterone acutely, and people who are prone to acne have typically oily skin. Insulin effect will increase this, and whey is a gigachad insulin increaser. Whatever the mecanism, if this is true or not, whey can increase acne in prone people, and by a lot.
You are correct. Acne is a genetic condition having to do with skin cells not turning over correctly. Whey doesn't give acne to people who don't have the genetic condition. But if you already suffer from it like you've stated, it stimulates oil production which is one factor for a "plug" forming in your pore leading to breakouts. Every dermatologist explains this.
@@Madchris8828 If you suffer from acne and you consume whey and notice your breakouts increase then yes. Switch to vegetarian based protein. You can also try topical creams that increase skin cell turnover like vitamin A derivatives. Checkout differin. You can get that without a prescription. You can use that and take whey at the same time and see if it offsets your breakouts. But it might not.
@@Madchris8828 maybe find a whey to make yourself tolerate it. Try a good bioavailable multivitamin and fish oil to see if maybe fixing a deficiency allows your body to handle it better. This has been successful for me. I didn't eat cheese for two months and just had an entire block again. I have had no symptoms for once. I'm on a strict supplement stack to fix some vitamin deficiencies and I think that is why too. I just have cystic acne because of the high B12 I took but I don't care, it'll go away soon.
@@jasminelanders3177 I have been using Optimum Nutrition and Myprotein for years but they got expensive, so I switched to Amazon's nutricostcost brand. I started getting pimples bad like 2 new ones a week. But I did not correlate it to the whey protein, I have been acne free for all my life so it was weird. I finally figured out that the dairy content was higher in nutricost and that was the source. Now I use pea protein, it's cheap very affordable and dairy free. Problem is it taste disgusting but I live with it.
I used whey protein & almost immediately(the day after) i got acnes (big and sore).. i rarely had acnes before.. so i switched to pea protein.. acnes gone (totally) .. i give whey protein another try.. acnes came back.. switch to pea protein.. acnes gone again.. give whey protein a try for the 3rd time.. acnes came back .. switch to pea protein.. acnes gone again .. so there's my personal experience. maybe doesn't happen to everyone but it happened to me.
Im not concerned about acne, but PSA, check if your Muscle Milk contains probiotics, that shit ruined my St. Pattys day in Boston, my stomach was fucked up all this weekend :(
Why is Layne so triggered by this info? It's simple, foods that spike insulin more generally lead to more acne. This is well known. Whey isn't super unique in this case as many other foods can have similar or worse effects, but obviously with Whey being one of the forms of protein that clearly spike insulin the most, of course it's going to have a higher impact on acne. Is it definitively going to cause acne every time? Of course not. But would it increase the risk or severity of acne compared to other less insulin-heavy foods? OF COURSE.
As far as what causes acne, the current, official medical answer is: *shrug*. There isn't one. So you can see why people want some kind of actionable explanation instead of smearing on topicals for decades. That doesn't mean dairy, protein or any of these dietary factors definitively CAUSE acne, but until we have a clear scientific answer, I can't really blame people for theorizing. Discussions online and some studies suggest there is a relationship.
Someone told me that dairy causes them to have high estrogen. I saw some study which i havent read that supposedly confirms that. this guy had bloodwork to back up his claims but i never got deep enough into that. To me it sounded tottyly unrealistic but idk. maytbe... a vid on that would be awesome.
I really wish it's not true that it doesn't don't give acne but I know you have the paper work that say it's not true but I know alot of use get acne for taking protein
I'm having massive pimples breakout due to Whey, and plan to stop. So what alternative to Whey are you using now? Or other protein powder suggestions? thanks
No evidence? I'm the evidence. I'm 37 years old. Never used whey before. I had just eaten lots of natural foods with proteins when I was younger to make muscle and people were not believing my results were without using any powders. But long story short I'm not young plus rich now. I mean eating that much protein with natural foods are waaaay too expensive. So I agreed to use this time. In 2 months I had lots of acnes plus all the spots are still there. They re not getting cleaned. And no never in my life, not even at puberty I had acnes like this. So it's definitely protein powder. But it's also very easy cheat code, to make muscle. So easy. So cheap compared to real food. No I'm not using more than 24grms. Ofc I'm still drinking 1 liter of milk eggs meat but still that 24 gr of shake boosts a lot. So I deciden to use like half per day until my boxes are empty, then I'm gonna try another brand. I dunnow, I have to test it myself. Cuz like in the internet everyone says something. Many people don't have knowledge but have ideas. Like for you, whey cant make acnes. But clearly they can do for some. So what I wonder is, is it cuz of maybe some brands, or would all of them can cause for me. I'm gonna try in a month or two when my stock is finish.
I have a Type 1 kid (outlier case) and had to stop giving whey because it did spike his BG. It usually spikes more depending on your carb intake. If you're already running high (BG) extra protein intake will drive it higher and since almost anything can be causing BG spiking (growing spurts, stress, going to sleep, waking up...) You don't really know until you notice the spike and crash for yourself. I get to watch these spikes in real time with a glucose monitor. Also, we cover proteins with insulin (not just carbs) because yes, protein does spike glucose but this is usually a high protein lower carb type situation and also some malfunction of the insulin response (ie. Type 1). Anyway, it's pretty sad because our little guy loved chocolate milk (whey and almond milk) but it just was like straight sugar to his blood. I don't know about glucose spikes causing acne tho. That's stupid. That would mean everyone who eats a normal diet is risking acne because eating spikes your glucose levels. Thanks for calling this out, and for all your work. Really enjoy the content.
@@carastone3473 because I am constantly monitoring his BG the entire time and it's within minutes of him drinking whey. Look it's not up for debate it's what is happening. Type 1 makes you an expert of what foods do what to your levels.
He did not said it CAUSES acne, he said it makes it WORSE. Which is totally true. The rest of his reasoning is totall bullshit obviously, but the video title is a missrepresentation of what he said.
Wish layne would address this. Bc this video isn’t very helpful for the people that would watch the original video (people that already suffer from acne trying to find solutions… the video is for people already suffering from acne or are acne prone).
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Whey does trigger acne breakouts in people who already suffer from it. Whey and dairy won't give you acne if you don't already have it. It's not a CAUSE but it does indirectly affect people who already suffer from acne.
All acne is hormonal. It's a genetic condition. Skin cells don't properly turn over. That means they are more prone to getting "plugged" by oil and therefore the acne bacteria already living on your body proliferates and causes the inflammation which you see as a pimple.
The treatments for acne focus on reducing the bacteria, oil, and increasing skin cell turnover. Therefore anything that impacts those factors can trigger a breakout in people who ALREADY have the genetic condition.
Some think whey and dairy stimulates more oil production in people with acne. The extra oil production clogs their pores because they already have acne and their skin cells don't turn over properly. Therefore they breakout. So it's not just whey and dairy. It's potentially anything that can cause more stimulation of oil glands. But not everyone is affected the same way. But A LOT of people are.
This is well known in dermatology. Speak with any dermatologist and they will tell you there is a strong correlation between whey and dairy and triggering breakout in people who already have acne. They don't completely understand the mechanism. But people with acne should def be careful.
Its the same reason SOME people breakout a lot when they take testosterone. Its going to stimulate oil production in the body and all acne is hormonal in both males and females.
So if you don't have the genetic disease, nothing you take including whey is going to give it to you. But if you do have acne, diet amongst other things can absolutely be a trigger.
For me cutting out dairy cured it, without changing anything else
I don't know if you're right, but at minimum this makes much more sense than what the TikDoctor had to say about it.
@@BMGipe45 don't take my word for it. Search TH-cam for dermatologist acne and dairy and see what they say. Or Google the American Academy of Dermatology and see what their stance is. I'm not a doctor but I suffer from acne and I'm just relaying what I've been told by my doctor and what the consensus is. It's no different than if I was to say energy balance is the main mechanism behind weight loss/gain according to Nutrition experts like Layne and others.
Very well said
Totally agree I’ve been taking protein powder since the 70s & 80s never EVER had issues. I think from what I read and studied it’s an individual issue.
Most of these younger people are still going threw hormonal issues. As well as genetic issues. A vast majority don’t have any acne related issues. Why is this even a discussion?
I think it's good to know that dermatologists see a correlation between whey and acne in office, but hasn't been able to find the cause. Some people may not react at all, others get a reaction.
I personally get quite extreme back acne from it. Just good to be aware of this and keep an open mind about it.
Hey Layne, can you do a full video on what we truly know about how diet affects acne? It's a topic where so many strong claims are made on social media and TH-cam, but it's difficult to find solid info I can trust.
This is totally anecdotal, but every time I consume whey/concentrated milk protein in isolation (without fiber/fats), I am getting like 5-6 pimples in the following days. The whey-acne correlation anecdotes are not rare and that should prompt a further investigation. For example, we know that whey protein will spike IGF-1 more compared to the same amount of protein from lets say lentils, because of the food matrix. Would love if you can cover this topic in more detail in some future video :)
Acne is a genetic condition. If you have it, whey and dairy will trigger breakouts. If you don't have it, then you'll be fine.
Whey stimulate oil production in your body which causes your pores to clog leading to breakouts. Acne is hormonal. So anything that causes more oil production can potentially trigger your breakouts. This is well known in the science.
Checkout Dr Dray TH-cam channel. Shes a dermatologist and explains this clearly.
Could also be due to milk. There are a good number of people that get pimples from milk.
I had the same problem and when i stopped drinking protein milk shakes or just took them with plain water my skin got better again.
@@BeyondLumination milk/diary in addition to whey can trigger breakouts in people who suffer from acne. It's a genetic condition. Lookup Dr. Dray on TH-cam. She's a dermatologist. All acne is hormonal. Anything that increases oi production can trigger breakouts in people who suffer from acne.
Same. Every time I eat whey or drink milk I'll get acne. Since cutting out dairy products my skin has gotten clearer. Which sucks cus I love cheese and ice cream 😢
Dude...big fan but think you completely missed the mark on this one.
I find it weird that you're discussing a nutritional problem that affects the skin and trying to discredit a skin doctor because his nutrition credentials are unclear. Acne is a skin condition. I could easily point out that you have no medical training as a doctor, much less a dermatologist...so maybe we shouldn't listen to you either?
You're right we don't have a lot of data to support the claim that whey protein causes acne. We don't have a lot of data either way. It's just not there. Does that mean whey won't aggravate acne in certain individuals? Of course not. To draw an analogy, certain individuals can tolerate more training volume than others. Does that mean everyone will respond the same way to that training volume?
Instead of writing off this claim as BS because there's a dearth of data on it (as you yourself point out), why not listen to actual acne sufferers who have found direct correlations between whey protein and acne breakouts? Or maybe look at what most derms are saying nowadays, which is "if whey/dairy seems problematic for you, try cutting it out and seeing how you do." Maybe you as the nutritional expert could, dare I say, recommend some viable alternatives?
Well said man ❤
I definitely find that dairy strongly exasperates my acne, I am prone to acne, however I haven't specifically tried whey without other dairy, I have no idea why it does this, but I have definitely found this is the case for myself
when I was young about 22 years ago, I ate whey protein and I got bad acne.
Whey destroys my forehead with acne. I can drink milk and all other dairy . I have no idea why but it definitely does as I’ve stopped all whey and no more issues. I still drink whole milk , cream and cheese .
So what alternative to Whey are you using now? Or other protein powder suggestions? thanks
I dunno about the mechanism, but every single time I use whey I get acne. Same thing happens with most dairy products.
@tomisaacson2762 Whey does trigger breakouts in people who already suffer from acne. It's a genetic condition. Whey won't give you the disease if you don't already have it. But it does indirectly trigger it in people who suffer from acne. The reason is it stimulates oil production. People with acne don't properly turn over skin cells. So their skin cells are more prone getting blocked. When you have more oil in the bed, the pore gets blocked, and bacteria living on your skin proliferates which causes the imune response that leads to the inflamed skin. Checkout Dr. Dray on TH-cam. She's a dermatologist and explains this.
Same, and it took me way too long to figure out! It seems casein protein is the culprit for me, cheese and especially nonfat Greek yogurt are guaranteed to give me pimples on my back, chest, etc. If I don't have casein I get no acne whatsoever. Pretty cut and dry causation in my case.
Yall are like me, intolerant to most parts of dairy. Commonly its whey, casein, and lactose. I can do casein with no issue though. Lactose and whey? Pimple city, lighting up my body like Rudolph cloned his nose a hundred times.
Same for me. Every single time I’ve taken whey, my skin has broken out. Without fail. I’ve come back to it over and over for about 15 years and the same thing every time. As much as I want to take whey, I’ve decided to stop. Going to try pea and hemp instead. 🤷
@@cptseagullhow has it been
These "doctors" are the pinnacle of mankind's best.
He probably is saying that because "I had a patient who had close to zero lactose tolerance, he took 200g of whey protein and in the next day he woke up with some pimples and severe diarrhea. Of course it's because of glucose and insulin sensitivity."
His mechanistic explanation probably isn’t right but all I know is when I drink whey my skin explodes in atrocious cystic painful acne 🤷♂️ I’m talking about it was so bad on my back that it could be seen through my t shirt.
I get the exact same reaction to whey 😭. Really, really painful cystic back acne that took months to clear up. Tried whey again and got the same hellish reaction again. Dermatologists see the correlation in office but haven't been able to find the cause.
@@FlippinFruitFly fr! It’s no secret at this point! I’m glad I figured it out but it wasn’t until several rounds of antibiotics and accutane that someone told me 😂
I’m done using Whey protein and dairy because since using it I have been experiencing severe acne like never before. This video was informative. Thank you!👍🏽
did it help?
Dairy always gives me acne unless it is from sheep, goats or A2 cows. It’s because there is a hormone in most dairy that causes oil secretion in people like me. I can do whey isolate just fine, but whey concentrate makes me break out every time. It has nothing to do with the glucose.
Hi, Layne, I love your videos - you produce great content. The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is generalizations about doctors. There are a few doctors spewing nonsense and thank you for exposing them, but it's not fair to say that doctors don't understand nutrition in general. Some of us do :)
He said "most", not all
I’ve noticed years ago that I get pimples from whey protein all the time, but then if i take hydro whey my skin stays clean… 🤷♂️
Yes. Whey will break you out even if you never had pimples.
Never had pimples, or oily skin, started with whey and my skin turned to crap.
Narrowed it down to whey, stopped using it and bam! The oil factory on my forehead shut down. No more pimples.
I still use dairy every day like I always have.
I'm having massive pimples breakout due to Whey, and plan to stop. So what alternative to Whey are you using now? Or other suggestions? thanks
Hey what is the alternative to whey protein to avoid acne. Any suggestions please 😢
fr like 4 months ago i stared drinking whey protein and i started getting lots of pimples and never in my life have i had pimples !!!!! im 15 14 and down i did not even had 1 pimple. i stop drinking whey protein for 2 days now and no new pimples !!!!!
@@coconutking555 glad to hear! My skin has cleared up, hoping yours will too!
Can you do a video on how to get rid of acne? I do see that the diet effects it in someway.
Sugar and dairy are triggers. It likely is a hormonal issue, maybe a nutrient deficiency causing it. I heard low omega 3 may be a cause, and low vitamin A and D as well. All I know is a cleared mine and get no breakouts when I eat anything I'm intolerant to, since I started taking vitamin A, D, and high dose fish oil.
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@@Sarahizahhsum This was a question to him who is qualification to talk about it.
Many people eat dairy and dont get acne and sugar.
@@GuidetteExpert I think diet plays a role, but it's hard for many people to get completely acne-free with diet changes alone. I read the science-based book Skintelligent, and it has a big section on acne, including discussions of the common topical treatments and medications, and which ones are actually supported with good evidence.
Layne, I accidentally ingested grain fed chicken yesterday. I'm panicking; are you aware of any Omega 6 detoxes?
I suggest you book an emergency session with Gwyneth Paltrow ASAP!
I didn't know you could get chicken that wasn't grain fed. If your omega 6 intake isn't higher than any of omega 3 or 9 or saturated fat you will be fine
as a one person data point, whey protein causes me acne, I really want to know why...
There is evidence that the glykamic index correlates with the cause of akne. And Milk and Milkprotein seems to have a much higher index than there is now. And you have to look up to whey proteins, one of the biggest aminoacids components are Leucins. There is some evidence, that this protein can also trigger more acne.
I have had clients experience Acne when Whey was introduced.
Me too as an esthetician, even though as a lifter (who can personally get away with consuming it if I'm careful enough with my topical skincare), I'd love to see everyone tolerate it (heck I'd also love to see all my clients lift weights...). I've been under the sad impression that it was due to the exact properties we desire in whey for muscle building - high leucine content that puts the body in an anabolic state (triggers skin cell proliferation along with all other cell proliferation, of course most especially muscle stimulated by tension to an even greater extent, but really puts the body in a tissue producing and retaining state so unsurprising that it would exacerbate a disorder characterized by excess cell proliferation and retention in those who haven't mastered preventive skincare).
Layne i am close personal friends with Lyle Mcdonald. I want to let you know that he insults you all of the time and says you are scared to debate him.
Am 34. Have taken 2 scoops of whey protein per day everyday since I was 14 years old. No acne to speak of, ever.
You might want to listen to the first line again champ. “Certain types of whey can make acne worse” key is make it worse. If you don’t have it, it can’t get worse can it 😂 cool story but bro.
Because you're not acne-prone.
I think this is probably a personalized thing. I feel super weird after whey protein like my blood sugar goes way up, I get a big headache and I get immediate digestive distress. And yup a few days later, I get chin pimples. But I can have Greek yogurt. And carbs are fine for me, especially fruit. I think there’s good evidence to support that some people don’t do great with whey; not enough to say it causes acne in all people but enough that we know some people are hypersensitive
Whey intolerance! I have a whey, lactose, and gluten intolerance. Casein is a-ok with me though. I still eat dairy because I addressed some nutrient deficiencies that were making the intolerance unbearable.
All I can say is I was using gold standard for a month my legs and forehead broke out like something from a horror movie.. had clean clothes clean towel wash thoroughly. Stop taking whey protein cleared up within two days
There are WAY too many people who get acne from dairy products, including whey protein. Too many to ignore.
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Even more people get acne from eating kale and pea protein. My source is the same as yours.
But it's not even close to everybody, so I am not sure what point you're trying to make with this. Lots of people drink water and also have acne.
How does one prove that the acne was caused by dairy products?
Acne is a genetic condition. Whey and dairy don't cause acne in people who don't have it. But if you have acne, why and dairy can absolutely trigger breakouts. That's because acne is hormonal. Whey can stimulate oil production in people and that's a factor required for a "plug" to form which leads to the inflamed skin. It's also why SOME people who take exogenous steroids get worse breakouts.
Just because it doesn't happen to you. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Happens to me and my other half, I'm lactose intolerant anyway. But I don't believe it's what he that guy said about the glucose level.
your first thought was mine too. there is practically no glucose in whey protein, unless you count flavoured. so then how does glucose spike
Not sure about acne, but whey protein definitely causes god awful farts😃😆🤣
i stopped whey cause acne :(
I had some sort of acne after whey powder overdose. Stupidity of youth.
Dr. Is wrong in saying that whey causes acne from glucose rise. That's not the reason. Whey protein, even isolate contains enough bovine hormones that can definitely cause acne in people who have a intolerance to some dairy products.
That brief mention to tattoos... I couldn't agree more lol
Right.
Dr Norton I can’t get enough of your content. I have a question unrelated to this vid- how do you get 60+ grams of fiber per day? And are fiber-enriched foods ok, like carb balance tortillas, high fiber pasta? Ty friend!! 🤙
Taking whey protein did result in many acnes on my skin, i still don't know why
I have clear skin but as soon as I start taking protein shakes regularly I start getting hard and painful pimples. they go away when I stop taking the protein shakes. I have no idea why that is. I don't have any other food that triggers breakouts like protein shakes do.
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Since taking whey I have been breaking out for sure. Along my chest and near my neck. I keep clean, wipe gym equipment down and shower soon after.
The funny thing is on keto diet my back acne disappears(which I had since school) and skin becomes just different looking. Now I'm not saying it's because carbs cause acne but there is definetely some food that does it to my skin so elimination diets help a lot.
No, carbs cause acne, but not all carbs. Spesifically the ones that high in glycemic index. They spike the blood sugarvery fast and that causesa acne. Although the connection between dairy products and acne is not fully explained, it is almost certainly carbohydrates that raise blood sugar levels quickly make acne worse. This seems to be the strongest link between diet and acne.
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As someone with type 1 diabetes and CGM who consumes whey, I’m just going to say… it does not ‘spike’ BGLs & I don’t need a whole lot of insulin to prevent this…..Soooooo, he lost me if that’s his reasoning 😂😂😂
I get hormonal acne but it will gone for days, inflamed acne at least 1 if my period cycle starts, but I started taking whey protein daily after or before workout I started getting acne pretty badly. I will try to stop taking whey protein and see what happens. Also, I wash my face every after workout and even before workout so my suspicious is nothing else but the whey protein.
I had had a serious acne problem from 1988 until January 1992, when a friend recommended I made sure I had a lot of water over the course of any given day. The problem went away in less than a week.
Could that work for everybody? No idea, but it wouldn’t hurt to try.
I know when I was a teenager, everything both caused and cured acne.
I supplement my diet with 100g of mostly whey, in shake form, and I don't have acne. And like you said, whey spiking glucose? When there is no glucose? UNLESS someone is taking a highly adulterated flavored protein mix that has a bunch of sugar in it?
So dumb.
I have done a case study (on myself) many many times. Whey can definetly icrease acne. Probably trough insulin. Insulin increase testosterone acutely, and people who are prone to acne have typically oily skin. Insulin effect will increase this, and whey is a gigachad insulin increaser. Whatever the mecanism, if this is true or not, whey can increase acne in prone people, and by a lot.
You are correct. Acne is a genetic condition having to do with skin cells not turning over correctly. Whey doesn't give acne to people who don't have the genetic condition. But if you already suffer from it like you've stated, it stimulates oil production which is one factor for a "plug" forming in your pore leading to breakouts. Every dermatologist explains this.
@Vic so what is a good way to control the problem? Whey is an extremely good source of protein, do I just need to avoid it completely??
I am the same. Whey definitely causes me acne especially when I double scoop
@@Madchris8828 If you suffer from acne and you consume whey and notice your breakouts increase then yes. Switch to vegetarian based protein.
You can also try topical creams that increase skin cell turnover like vitamin A derivatives. Checkout differin. You can get that without a prescription. You can use that and take whey at the same time and see if it offsets your breakouts. But it might not.
@@Madchris8828 maybe find a whey to make yourself tolerate it. Try a good bioavailable multivitamin and fish oil to see if maybe fixing a deficiency allows your body to handle it better. This has been successful for me. I didn't eat cheese for two months and just had an entire block again. I have had no symptoms for once. I'm on a strict supplement stack to fix some vitamin deficiencies and I think that is why too. I just have cystic acne because of the high B12 I took but I don't care, it'll go away soon.
where do they come up with these claims
I think he miss-spoke when he said glucose instead of growth hormones.
That's funny. I've been using whey powders for over 20 years pretty consistently and have only a stray zit once in a blue moon.
I think people confuse common spot breakouts from a diet with too much fat or sugar with Acne
I been taking whey protein for 15 years everyday. Then I switched brands and started getting acne, the brand matters.
Which Brad would you recommend
@@jasminelanders3177 I have been using Optimum Nutrition and Myprotein for years but they got expensive, so I switched to Amazon's nutricostcost brand. I started getting pimples bad like 2 new ones a week. But I did not correlate it to the whey protein, I have been acne free for all my life so it was weird. I finally figured out that the dairy content was higher in nutricost and that was the source. Now I use pea protein, it's cheap very affordable and dairy free. Problem is it taste disgusting but I live with it.
I used whey protein & almost immediately(the day after) i got acnes (big and sore).. i rarely had acnes before.. so i switched to pea protein.. acnes gone (totally) .. i give whey protein another try.. acnes came back.. switch to pea protein.. acnes gone again.. give whey protein a try for the 3rd time.. acnes came back .. switch to pea protein.. acnes gone again .. so there's my personal experience. maybe doesn't happen to everyone but it happened to me.
how's the pea protein? is it any good? or what alternatives have you taken?
Im not concerned about acne, but PSA, check if your Muscle Milk contains probiotics, that shit ruined my St. Pattys day in Boston, my stomach was fucked up all this weekend :(
Maybe consuming whey to much protein could effect hormones and cause acne
Why is Layne so triggered by this info? It's simple, foods that spike insulin more generally lead to more acne. This is well known.
Whey isn't super unique in this case as many other foods can have similar or worse effects, but obviously with Whey being one of the forms of protein that clearly spike insulin the most, of course it's going to have a higher impact on acne.
Is it definitively going to cause acne every time? Of course not.
But would it increase the risk or severity of acne compared to other less insulin-heavy foods? OF COURSE.
As far as what causes acne, the current, official medical answer is: *shrug*. There isn't one.
So you can see why people want some kind of actionable explanation instead of smearing on topicals for decades.
That doesn't mean dairy, protein or any of these dietary factors definitively CAUSE acne, but until we have a clear scientific answer, I can't really blame people for theorizing. Discussions online and some studies suggest there is a relationship.
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An interesting whey to look at this subject
whey is dairy
Yes, my buddy believes exactly that he needs a low car/low protein diet because it will spike his blood glucose and make him fat
Your buddy will not last long on high fat low protein/carb diet. We need all three..? How is he alive? Has he lost all muscle now?
Someone told me that dairy causes them to have high estrogen. I saw some study which i havent read that supposedly confirms that. this guy had bloodwork to back up his claims but i never got deep enough into that. To me it sounded tottyly unrealistic but idk. maytbe... a vid on that would be awesome.
I really wish it's not true that it doesn't don't give acne but I know you have the paper work that say it's not true but I know alot of use get acne for taking protein
Layne searching for motivated reasoning but finding none: "Huh, just a regular moron, then."
My acne got bad when I started drinking whey protein
Maybe science can't explain it but my face can.
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I feel the same way about tattoos lol no matter how cool they look I will never have one just to be different lol
I'll take a couple of spots if something can help me get bigger muscles anyways
I’m surprised that this landed in “what the fitness” I’ve actually been told by different dermatologist to stop taking whey for my acne
I'm having massive pimples breakout due to Whey, and plan to stop. So what alternative to Whey are you using now? Or other protein powder suggestions? thanks
I’m kind of surprised that you don’t have any tattoos.
And I am wondering why people do them.
If that were the case I'd be a pimply mess.
*Looks at the mirror*
Yeah, nope.
I also have no tattoos in my 30s, I feel left out lol😂
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Some people see this kind of crap and will latch onto it as The Whey
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No evidence? I'm the evidence. I'm 37 years old. Never used whey before. I had just eaten lots of natural foods with proteins when I was younger to make muscle and people were not believing my results were without using any powders. But long story short I'm not young plus rich now. I mean eating that much protein with natural foods are waaaay too expensive. So I agreed to use this time. In 2 months I had lots of acnes plus all the spots are still there. They re not getting cleaned. And no never in my life, not even at puberty I had acnes like this.
So it's definitely protein powder. But it's also very easy cheat code, to make muscle. So easy. So cheap compared to real food. No I'm not using more than 24grms. Ofc I'm still drinking 1 liter of milk eggs meat but still that 24 gr of shake boosts a lot. So I deciden to use like half per day until my boxes are empty, then I'm gonna try another brand. I dunnow, I have to test it myself. Cuz like in the internet everyone says something. Many people don't have knowledge but have ideas. Like for you, whey cant make acnes. But clearly they can do for some. So what I wonder is, is it cuz of maybe some brands, or would all of them can cause for me. I'm gonna try in a month or two when my stock is finish.
Since Layne eats 400g of carbs per day, he should look like a pubescent teenager.
Hehe... "Whey more". #Dadjoke
Didn't they say eating too much fat causes this too? lol
It’s alright, I pee all my protein out anyways
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Spot on !!!😂😂
I’m not the smartest man on earth but ..
I have a Type 1 kid (outlier case) and had to stop giving whey because it did spike his BG. It usually spikes more depending on your carb intake. If you're already running high (BG) extra protein intake will drive it higher and since almost anything can be causing BG spiking (growing spurts, stress, going to sleep, waking up...) You don't really know until you notice the spike and crash for yourself. I get to watch these spikes in real time with a glucose monitor. Also, we cover proteins with insulin (not just carbs) because yes, protein does spike glucose but this is usually a high protein lower carb type situation and also some malfunction of the insulin response (ie. Type 1). Anyway, it's pretty sad because our little guy loved chocolate milk (whey and almond milk) but it just was like straight sugar to his blood.
I don't know about glucose spikes causing acne tho. That's stupid. That would mean everyone who eats a normal diet is risking acne because eating spikes your glucose levels. Thanks for calling this out, and for all your work. Really enjoy the content.
what's BG?
@@pilids3514 blood glucose level
What makes you think it was the whey and not any of the other hundreds of things your child was ingesting?
@@carastone3473 because I am constantly monitoring his BG the entire time and it's within minutes of him drinking whey. Look it's not up for debate it's what is happening. Type 1 makes you an expert of what foods do what to your levels.
@@carastone3473 Right. I was drawing a blank for some weird reason
show us the whey doc XD
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silly comment
He did not said it CAUSES acne, he said it makes it WORSE. Which is totally true. The rest of his reasoning is totall bullshit obviously, but the video title is a missrepresentation of what he said.
Wish layne would address this. Bc this video isn’t very helpful for the people that would watch the original video (people that already suffer from acne trying to find solutions… the video is for people already suffering from acne or are acne prone).
I thought everyone knew that dairy causes acne?
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When will these charlatans learn?
Why would they? Creating fear is often their business model and/or it gives them 'followers'
This is ignorant information. Do more research and actually read. Misinforming people
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