The Deprogram Episode 21: We live in a (Soviet) society (Ft. Lady Izdihar)
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- For a country sold to us as being "gray" for decades - the Soviet Union was one of the most diverse places on the planet. We're joined by Lady Izdihar in discussing the successes and mistakes of the worlds largest internationalist project to date.
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Wow! What a great episode! ;)
Could you tell us more about religion in the Soviet Union? What did the Soviet Union do to indigenous religions such as Mari El and Siberian peoples?
How did racial/ethnic tension exist in the CCCP and was it handled by the government?
During Stalin's time as leader, many ethnic groups were deported, such as Chechen & Ingush, Crimean Tatar, Germanic, Kazakh.... How can this be explained? I am a Communist but I find it so difficult to stan and support past Communist governments' actions. How could Stalin just send these people away from their homes like that? This is American Crapitalist behavior! This is what they did to people of Japanese ancestry!
I have a question: How did the Soviet Union allow Sharia? As Communists, how can we fight for a theocracy? What about people in Dagestan who DIDN"T want to do Islam? THey had to subject themselves to Islam???
I'm genuinely confused. I assure you I ask questions in good faith.
@@princekrazie the Soviet official position regarding religion was "we don't care what you believe in, as long as you don't try to mess with political power or large amounts of money, and maintain your religious infrastructure (like churches) from public donations". For example, part of the clergy from the Russian Orthodox Church actively fought the Soviet regime - tried to keep the peasants' kids from public schools, spread anti-Soviet propaganda, sometimes even killed state officials or terrorized the locals. During the war some of them collaborated with the Nazis. People like that were repressed - imprisoned/deported/shot, according to their crimes. Those who didn't actively oppose the regime, lived their lives normally.
As for the deportations - AFAIK, modern historians mostly agree that, in retrospective, they were probably not necessary in most cases. But we must still consider the historic context of that decision - a war was coming, that much was evident. The USSR wasn't properly ready for it (heck, they barely stood their ground near Moscow in 1941), a large anti-Soviet conspiracy in the NKVD was uncovered and defused in 1938, just a few years before. Basically, it was a VERY busy and VERY explosive/scary time, where harsh decisions were sometimes taken just out of over-precaution. Those people were not deported just because they were of a certain nation, but rather based on some suspicion of the NKVD about their anti-Soviet position and potential for collaboration with the Nazis (often backed by very vague and weak evidence, that much is true). So yeah, I can definitely understand why many people are very negative about deportations, it really was a disgraceful page in Soviet history, probably a bad choice and a decision that could be avoided. But there was also real objective reasoning behind it, so it wasn't just some random act of brutality like modern propaganda paints it, but rather a mistake at worst (we'll never know for a fact whether there would have been massive Nazi collaboration).
Hey, its you!
My heart grew a little smile when you mentioned your family being from Banat. 🤗
I felt so bad because there was no JT to laugh at hakims dumb among us joke
Fuck, that rant by Yugopnik about being seen and humanized as an eastern europian struck a chord with me, since I'm a slav from Eastern Europe myself. Especially at a time like this it's important to see people as human beings, not just statistics "somewhere over there". But history repeats itself yet again it seems and people of Ukraine are brought up as a talking point why people dislike russians and will vanish from topic at hand immediately after.
Thank you, wonderful Lady Izdihar for the work that you do and thank you all for this wonderful episode and very interesting discussion.
Same here.
Same here. I'm Slavic on my father's side, Korean and Puerto Rican on my mother's, these are increasingly hostile times to be surviving
is that rant about scolding hakim? i forgot what he ranted about
@atropusarbaalish4214are you saying that perspective needs more representation? Genuinely confused, not trolling.
The common Soviet past is being actively erased and rewritten from public consciousness by the nationalist bourgeois leaders of ex-USSR countries, and with great success, actually. It's absolutely self-evident and obvious to anyone who has a brain and eyes that living standards and levels of development in former Soviet republics have been getting worse ever since the collapse - most of, well, EVERYTHING around us (roads, infrastructure, housing, industrial buildings) is still from the USSR, while the "progressive" capitalist regimes can't even build a damn bridge on time, and without overspending tenfold. Big deal - the Soviets built a hundred times more stuff in the same amount of time, people of different nationalities were living and working together, building a better future for everyone. Current state propaganda "explains" post-Soviet economic problems by "the traumatic legacy of the Soviet occupation" to this day (30+ years later!), and the vast majority of people falls for it gladly, which is absolutely devastating.
It might sound counter-intuitive to someone who never lived in the Socialist block or on it's remains, but around here we probably have the most negative, aggressive and reactionary public opinion in the world about the USSR and socialism. Former Soviet republics are basically nests of barbaric chauvinistic nationalism, directed against each other - everyone and their grandma absolutely hates their neighbors, and a lot of people wouldn't hesitate to put a bullet through the head of a person from an "enemy" nation, that's how bad the situation with nationalist brainwashing is. The current conflict in Ukraine is exactly this garbage, simply escalated up to a real burning dumpster fire.
Thank you for that insight on what is going on!
A great comment right here. Thank you for writing it.
You just described the West. You're welcome from the capitalists.
@@gannibalof21st Err... Thanks? 😅
I'd still argue a bit that, although it's true that we're all getting screwed here, the working class in the Western countries of the capitalist center gets a little more lube than their comrades on the periphery or semi-periphery like the ex-USSR.
Doesn't mean anything though - this system is a parasite sucking life from the entire humanity.
Yeah, sure - the it is the Ukraine's fault that Russia is invading....WTF?
Excellent conversation! I hate all the anti-Soviet propaganda that is out there. According to capitalist scholars, everything was horrible back in the old USSR and Eastern Europe. It was nothing but total misery. That's all BS but people eat it up. And thank you introducing us to a fascinating new TH-camr!
So heart-warming to be reminded of grandpa's stories about his experience with German communities in Siberia and internationallizm in general in Soviet Union. It was an exceptional time period when Chek writer redacts first ever newspaper in the Bur'at language in Irkutsk.
Don't worry it's totally gone now. Everybody as anywhere else is taught to be bitter and hateful to "other" groups.
Please have Izdihar on again! This episode was so good!
Your wishes were answered 🙌🏽
@@vonyx5601 hopefully we can have JT on here, so maybe they could talk a little bit
Great episode, Comrades! Thank you, Lady Izdihar, for sharing your knowledge with us.
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Well, thanks for introducing me to a new leftists channel / creator. I'll check her out after the podcast.
Is that a hungarian flag but like upside down? 🇭🇺
@@ericktellez7632 It's the Bulgarian flag.
@@vladislavdamianov7836
🇧🇬 holy hell you are right
@@ericktellez7632 As a Bulgarian I'd hope I'm right :)
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We should form an union of green white and red 🇲🇽 🇧🇬 🇭🇺 🇮🇹 🇮🇷
"The Soviet Empire" - just wanted to add that here in the US if you called this country "The American Empire" the average person (at least when I was growing up) would have a Completely different mental image for the exact same phrase - Proud Patriotic Uncle Sam with the flag, eagle and a bible looking all happy and determined. It's absurd how exactly the same phrase altered by one word has such a different connotation because of the indoctrination.
Basically the song " America, fuck yeah!" But unironically
I love that you can hear from the way Izdihar speaks about history that it really is her passion.
a girl leftist creator 🌸 i am so happy! (not in the liberal feminist way!) and she knows and focuses on the topics i am very interested in i am very happy thank you for bringing her guys so i can follow her now! 🌸
There's two others you might like to listen too, Luna Oi! and Mad Blender.
Oh, and Mexie.
@@seanpol9863 thank you! i will follow them, too!
If you understand Russian, there's also wonderful Mrs Rodionova (Евгения Родионова), she has a couple of interesting videos on the Prime Numbers channel (Простые Числа), mainly related to revolutionary ideas in literature.
@@vadimk3484 thank you, but i don't speak Russian sadly :(
Absolutely loved lady Izdihar. Hope she comes back to the podcast.
Same, much love to all our comrades especially from east Europe. From a Japanese-Korean American comrade. And to our Germanic banath-suabian Romanian brothers, sisters and diverse too❤️🙏🔥🇰🇷🇯🇵🇺🇸
this has been the most educational thing I have ever watched this podcast has pulled me from the clutches of ignorance it has and will continue to partly guide how I seek knowledge going forward I love you guys and your guest you've brought on is amazing thank you for being the people you are and please continue yours truly a comrade
awwwwww yay this made me smile
That's good to know
When she's talking about filling out the map, i recalled that i did the same thing but with the middle east and north africa in a college course. And how crazy it was to sit there and realize that I had no clue which one was Iran, or Iraq, or Afghanistan or Syria and yet id been told so much abuot what toi think about these countries and the people there. Very good episode.
Awesome to finally have a woman on the podcast! Long overdue and would love to see more
i fucking love that Bambu and Molchat Doma album covers are in the background
I also wouldn't call Lady Izdihar's work biased, I would call it bias-balancing. We need ALL the facts to understand reality.
Great episode!
Quoting Che: "At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love"
It's refreshing to see Lady Izdihar cursing from time to time xD
Invite her again please, such an enjoyable episode
Got your wish. ❤
To this day, little old Italian grannies (EDIT: Also little old Maronite/Melkite Christian grannies) wear "hijab" to church, and to do the shopping. If you saw one in Al-Quds, Karbala or Beograd, you'd be hard pressed to tell she wasn't local.
How did I miss this episode? Amazing as always comrades.
4 months late bud
This is great to view on the 100th anniversary of Stalin being appointed General-Secretary.
Already know its going to be a great episode
I was listening non stop for almost a week and I just caught up with the latest episode. I feel empty I need more deprogramming
This podcast is amazing and informative and I love Lady Izadihar's work! She shows so much about the Soviet Union that we never see in the US.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته ^_^ really enjoyed this!
gonna definitely check lady izdihar's content after this
truly one of your most informative, i find the criticisms or the explanation of common criticisms much more informative and relatable than just all out flattery for the previous socialist experiments, as much a s has been brought by them, addressing the things all deniers will bring up is very useful, thanks
Just found her channel on my own, glad she's already been shouted out here, she's incredible.
The talk on humanizing culture reminds me of reading an argument that the two countries that produced more ballet dancers than any other are the Soviet Union and the United States. The theory is that these are two vast, heavily rural places where for centuries the big event in all these rural towns was folk coming together to drink and dance , especially once the harvest was handled. This produced more good dancers than anywhere else. Talk to most modern city folk. Most of us don't know how to dance at all! Lol
This was a great conversation!
At 45:00 Hakim is talking about boutique multiculturalism, which is a sociology term.
OH MY GOD THEY MENTIONED THE KORYO-SARAM AND KINO
my day is made. nothing else has ever made me this happy.
yeah sure im a year late but im so happy to see Lady Izdihar featured in this podcast!!! she's too cool
based hakim
This was a great insight on a topic that i've never seen touched on in any other place
A live and a new episode, you're beeing overly generous today !
Dang, not enough views. I guess most listeners are podcast-app only
Yeah, mostly because it's published on there sooner (YT videos are uploaded often on Mondays, while it's available on podcast apps on Friday)
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Yip, I mostly listen on my podcast app though occasionally listen on TH-cam too. Podcasts are uploaded here on Saturday's, UK time. Even if I miss an episode, which is rare, it's still worth catching up listening to more than one every day.
I think so, i'm (sadly) still on the teat of spotify
Such a good episode! 👏
Great episode! Thank you all so much!
1:24:18 is the Anglo-Amerikkkan Empire projecting.
I totally agree about the bit about self righteous leftism and it's my biggest problem with the white western left. Obviously the radlib reformists belong to the self righteous left, but also most white anarchists and some communists. White people have this privilege that allows them to not care. For us anarchist/communist whites it really doesn't matter that much if capitalism gets destroyed tomorrow, next year, a century from now. We live comfortably under capitalism, mostly. Even though we don't like it, it's really not *that* bad, because of our power and privilege. For the white left, this leads to hobbyism and adventurism. White people will like the aesthetic of leftism, convince themselves helping other people is what they care about or that they're really oppressed and need to fight against it, which might be true to certain degrees, but in reality they still lack any sort of urgency. Their ideology is completely unserious, it's only for their enjoyment, it's a hobby. This is what I've noticed in all online circles and some irl at least. Like, you're not going to be the next Lenin my guy, so stop acting like it. Stop fighting imaginary anarchists/communists and start supporting BIPOC.
You hit the nail on the head, this is one of the biggest reasons why I as a European am feeling really iffy about ever joining a western group of socialists or communists. As you said, for a lot of these people this is just another adventure or hobby, which comes to the fore when we're for example talking about spreading messages. These white leftists will earnestly believe that they can recruit people by for example spreading memes about racism or leftism while some nice well-executed art posters would be much more effective at drawing people in. Of course they never make these because their primary recruiting focus is on westerners who follow a certain "leftism" subculture of adventurism and hobbyism.
I know my experience is not even comparable with that of people in the third world, but as a bi person and someone who has experienced living near the poverty line and trauma in my youth what leftism means to me is much more than what it means to some near-liberal western hobbyist. Of course I am not in much danger compared to more underdeveloped countries but if capitalism and the right wing swing continues as it does I could see serious repercussions because of my intellectual interests and sexuality, which already happens when I interact with even liberals or liberal christians here. I would rather stand side by side with a single communist from a country like Angola than a hundred of the radlib types that visit all the leftist demonstrations in my home country, because I can be sure that the former knows the seriousness of what we are dealing with here while a large majority of the western left is unfortunately given over to as you said, LARPing like the next coming of Lenin
Dude, do you hear yourself? What a dumb fucking take. Speak for yourself- just because you’re a middle-class white kid in majority-white suburbia doesn’t mean that all white people are middle-class labor aristocrats like you, so PLEASE stop projecting and stop completely dismissing the oppression, exploitation and misery of hundreds of millions of people. I can’t imagine what you think you’re achieving by gaslighting people out of their own suffering.
This kind of argument is so infuriatingly reductive. I know plenty of black people (and non-white people in general) who are just as sheltered and privileged as your average white suburbanite, and I know plenty of white people who suffered and continue to suffer through poverty, including myself. It would have cost you absolutely NOTHING to just say that middle-class labor aristocrats live relatively comfortable lives and have no sense of urgency regardless of race, but instead you’re willing to pull off whatever mental gymnastics necessary to avoid talking about class at all costs. It’s always about race, it’s always about sexuality, but GOD FORBID we ever talk about class.
@@shutdownexecute3936 yea i agree, when it comes to intersectionality, as always, class supercedes all, most white people are insanely white and enjoy privileges that have nothing to do with wealth like not getting murdered by cops etc
Two episodes One day!!!!!
Sounds a bit communist
Wait a minute....I think....these people are.....communists!!!
*shudder*
Red Salute o7
@@zacdelos It has only now hit me.
the o is the person head and the 7 is a saluting hand.
@@Goat_gamering yes
Enjoyed it alot.
“It’s called being a Marxist; it’s fine.” #Relatable
What she says about the railroads helping to increase cross-cultural awareness blows my mind, because Amerikan railroads had the exact opposite effect, and were the driving force behind Amerikan homogeneity.
I am also a Volga German or German from Russia, as we're known where I live. There's a huge number of us here in North Dakota. So excited to hear the perspective of someone who I share the same ethnicity/ancestral history with but who has such a radically different lifestyle and perspective from mine. At the end of the day, we're all brothers and sisters of the human race, but the history, complexity, and intricacies are so interesting.
20:24 They were like, "I don't know in what way I need to hate you"
Hakim: "What did I write?" In case you forgot his job and the reputation he must uphold (around that 1:42:24)
I really enjoyed hearing about some of the inner workings of the USSR, both positive and negative, from a more objective view than that I've been indoctrinated with in the USA. The West constantly dehumanizes other people via the tactics of rhetoric explained by Yugopnik and it is time to recognize that we are all humans and we are in this struggle against capital together. solidarity, comrades all over the world.
great ep
Also @LadyIzdihar this is such a strange and random connection but I am Danish, and when I was a newborn, my father edited and translated a collection of folk 30:52 tales specifically from German minorities throughout Eastern Europe, including around 15 from Romania. It is not a very well known book, not even in tiny Denmark, so I immediately felt a spark of proud recognition when you told about your family background!
Big exceptions to what the guest says about English-speaking historical works: Gerald Horne and Kristen R. Ghodsee (her later writings).
PS: as a persian, which is NOT Arab (Hakim would feel insulted otherwise ;-), I can tell you guys we are the original Aryans.
I was lost this entire episode when she started mentioning tge different kinds of people. Those were words ive NEVER heard before.
sAD that you didn't add her into the background gif
When the deportations came up, the whole story sounds very familiar to the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2. The follow up to this topic really reiterates that by noting while we have failings as a country (US), we are more than happy to aggrandize ourselves in other ways, even if we tacitly admit some of those failings.
True, however the internment camps were practically prisons while deportation still allow people to live their lives for the most part.
In the US common law is based off English common law rather than any religion, though that was obviously heavily influenced by Christianity, specifically puritan Christianity
Interesting note in the US there is a system where people can enter legally binding arbitration. Meaning the two people having a dispute can agree on paper to obey the ruling of an arbitrator and have it managed that way instead of the courts which are ten to a hundred times as expensive. Religious communities use this to have religious CIVIL LAW, resolving most disputes being contracts finance ect. Criminal law (such as assault) is SUPPOSED to be handled by the public court system but every now and then the general public is scandalized by realizations that these religious communities in the usa, used to handling disputes in their own court system also (illegally) handle problems such as a man forcing himself on a woman.
Being very... patriarchal and traditional regardless of the religion they are known for sweeping cases of abuse against women under the rug even more than the public system already does.
The blurb about fucking monsters was so random.
Hit me like "wtf???"
If you're looking for a guy from Wisconsin for one of your podcasts, Eddie Liger from Midwestern Marx TH-cam channel seems a natural choice)
Mid western marx is alright. I definitely have a problem with them publishing known convicted pedophiles as well as tailing the small "patriotic socialist" currents in the united states, considering the settler colonial context therein.
@@zacdelos Fick "patriotic socialism", but wrt "convicted pedophiles", this is immaterial unless the topic was "cp", abuse, etc.
@@zacdelos I got conflicting information about them though. I haven't seen Eddie mentioned Caleb and infrared once in his videos but Midwestern Marx is not one person and I also heard people said they were cited on stream.
18:55 damn I feel personally attacked
Love the episode. Any book recommendations on Russia and/or Soviet Union history? TY
I find 'Domenico Losurdo, Stalin: History and critque of a black legend' quite intresting and informative. Also explains the misinformation about stalin and also the mistakes. In general it is a great book
Gentlemen, may I suggest you to engage with this guys in the cold war channel?
I know it's not a thing in the USA, but in my "Central Europe" at one point or another (and often multiple times) required to know, when pointed to any location on a border outline map of the world, what the country is and what is its capital. I mean, you could not do that and just take a bad mark, but it's not THAT difficult when compared to much less useful and interesting stuff there was in the curriculum.
8:38 what book is Hakim talking about there?
I couldn't quite make out the author's name.
The Road to Terror by J. Arch Getty
She must come again!
There actually was massive deportations of Ukrainians, but maybe done primarily by Polish government - "Akcja Wisła" (caused by all the UPA Wołyń shit)
excelcior!@!!!!
Will the Turbofolk singing be on TH-cam.
33:09 fr! I am struggling with being able to stay in this perpetual slave labor bs. I feel like if i don't get out within a few years I will go out.
that poor dad and rich dad shit is the motto for some of the "economic influencers" in brasil, it's so sad cause what they say end up in the mind of the young and quickly tell them the capitalist lie that "you are the only one to be at blame if you fail"
Fino-Ugrics didn't migrated from Finland. They are from the Ural mountains.
40:49
51:06
1:04:53 - Deportations
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A book to add to your bibliography if not yet done " Inventing Ruritania : The imperialism of imagination" by Vesna Goldsworthy..may be as a mirror to Edward Said's " culture and Imperialism " ..and ..in a lesser "neutral" way ( it is written from the perspective of US self righteousness) " The cultural cold war: The CIA and the world of arts and letters" by Frances Stonor Saunders)))
omg hakim went full parenti someone stop him
Wasn't there a ppl of Russo-Japanese descent?
On the academics not knowing about Islam and asking questions... well tbh the average academic in the US is trained in a system that now argues that knowledge and human progress was held back by religion instead of being the source of them (almost all institutions of higher learning started out as religious. Bostons University system dates back to Boston's theocracy days.) The higher education is nakedly against religion so they don't want to have historic portrayals of reform of regious practice. Instead they are based towards creating stories of people abandoning religion. So they make that up about ussr Muslim women taking off their veils.
How does she not take notes????
Get more women to show up
1:32:41 yes yes bzz-papa Yugo programmed me bzz-I am a bot bzz
All my favorite leftists of youtube together in one podcast!!
Marxism Leninism Trotskyism Engelsism Stalinism Castroism Gevaraism Dengism Kimjongilism Kimilsungism Izdiharism🤣🤣🤣
Trotskyism-Stalinism
I like it
Based
Zapatism
Hakimism-Yugopnikism-JTism is the best
As a liberal atheist, I find the romanticization and promotion of merging religion and politics deeply unsettling. The propagation of misconceptions and sometimes outright false propaganda by progressive Islamists, such as Izhar, who persist in their belief that Islam is the most feminist religion, creates unnecessary obstacles for those seeking to reform religious ideas from within. The romanticization of any religious law, including “Sharia”, should be considered obscure and outright foolish in any rational political discourse.
For instance, Stalin’s decision to allow a small Muslim minority region to be governed by unmodified local, “religiously motivated law”, should be viewed as unethical and absurd, especially given the context that most churches and Catholics were shunned and persecuted during the same period. Favouritism in a historical context, and counter-propaganda, should not be tolerated in any scientific historical study and recount.
The argument that “Capitalists have done this so we should do it too” is a weak justification for rationalism. However, I acknowledge that my ideas may be considered a bit more extreme and obsolete. I strive for clarity and understanding in my discourse, without compromising the underlying meaning and my evident displeasure.
Who Calls Döner Duner xD
KINO IS KPOP WHAT?
32:30
add bad empanada
Empanada probably wouldn't want to be on because he seems to dislike Hakim.
@@maoistgonzaloitepolpotist7743 I think he said that he wanted to be on it on one of his streams once
@@wiliboi2662 Really ? What else did he say about it ?
@@maoistgonzaloitepolpotist7743 What makes you say that ?
@@mr.v6052 i don’t remember. I think he said that he “wants the deprogram to come to him” I can’t remember what he even meant by that though.
38:15 excuse me? what the fuck?
he does
Speaking from the perspective of a minority Christian (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), I really don't mind when other people proselytize to me about their religious beliefs. In fact, I actively seek out different religious perspectives just so I can have a greater understanding of the world around me, find common ground with others, and develop empathy outside of my circle of familiarity. Do I appreciate it when people try to shove their religion down my throat? Not really. But so long as religious discussions are done in the spirit of curiosity, I don't see anything wrong with it.
Begging capitalists not to purge you for presenting historical research about Stalin era purges
least braindead anarchist
Fucks a monster?
title is kinda sus ngl
_"Don't worry about them Russkies! Our boys in the subs got them Belarus missiles..."_ -an average Amerikkkan
I like religions where people wear special hats. That way you can tell they're dumb before you have to talk to them lol.
I don't want to hear about your religion not bc im ignorant of it but bc I am not. It is often you 'religious' people who know less about your books. And idk what it is with religious people that they can read their book 500 times and still miss everything so idk if that would even help haha
Damn
Great episode thanks everyone!
I will say to Lady Izdihar, just because we respect you as a religious person, doesn't mean we will be open to your archaic dogma.
a Serbian Muslim living in the US... O_o fitting.
Explain?
idk if it's gonna be a controversial opinion, but i hope she doesn't come back. It's probably the episode that is the least able to actually deprogram people.
Wow. Rude.
why
@@lenny415 She never really talked about how "minorities" are represented differently in the soviet union (question from Hakim) almost not touching the politcs just talking about those minorities (which is fine, just not useful in terms of deprogramming or learning more about the politics of the soviet union or how it treated its minorities)
Hakim close this convo making the more revelant point answering his own question.
Up until there i did not think much of it.
To the USSR's good side she quotes Staline out of context saying something seemingly good which I have no doubt is repulsive to most people and is not convincing to me (it's easily "countered" talking a bit more about Staline's politics and it does not help caracterising the soviet union or marxism)
It's all the more relevant seeing she also expressed several times that she likes to teach the good about the ussr using anecdotes
She answers claims of islamophobia by muslim, as she says, talking about the speficic case of a corrupt ruling elite imposing islam on its pop that ends up not being super relevant to the convo she herself started.
Ends up talking about islam is perceived seemingly loosing the plot of the convo.
Sha talks about how it's a bad thing to not remember people on what they did well when talking about deportation which has nothing to do with the base subject.
She then golsses over how it's a punishement for fascist not giving any more info than that, then proceed to explain how hard it is to not kill people while deporting them, how the people of the north caucasus who have been deported where always keen to defend themselves (making it even harder i guess...) and saying "You can argue whose fault it is. Is it staline fault that the people that were in charge of these deportations locally decided to destroy artifacts and people belongings and killing people, that can be argue day and night, [...] the fact is that within the soviet union governement there was dissagreements" which I think talks for itslef, but if you don't see the problem at least you can see the weakness of the point in terms of deprogramming, I hope.
In this convo yugopnik makes the better point pointing out that communism is not the cause of forced displacement and pointing out that capitalism produces deportations of sorts through poverty inducing policies.
In general none of her ponts can be properly taken as arguments for marxism and very few as proper debunking of a bad thing done by the soviet union or description of good things done by it.
It's very often about aesthestics. When not it's at the very least poorly framed and weak, the better points points are glossed over, and some points are completely silly, and problematic (especially when touching on such a tendentious subject.
The best deprogram points is about the use of the codified writing system, got to give her that.
Also i check every newcomer to the show and i've seen her in shows with people refusing to call the war in ukraine an invasion, calling it a special op, saying the main objectiv is the the liberation of donbas and litterally countering western propaganda with putin quotes.
To her credit she herself had better points than this in the video. Still she did no push back on the extremely bad points.
DISAGREE. She went through a lot of history that I had no idea about and I am a poor f*^k from god forsaken Mexico. She reached someone from a different language, culture and race entirely
@@cortexavery1324 Thanks for the input!
Who cares about JT!? Lol
I think JT has great contributions about the way the US operates, but he rightly takes a step back to listen when ppl are discussing something he doesn’t know as much about. I think it’s a good idea.
@@lukemadrid5711 I was just kidding. So hard to convey sarcasm over the internet lol
@@raven_g6667 write /s on the end of your sentence