Bioshock Infinite is the WORST Bioshock... change my mind
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Bioshock is an amazing series. However out of all the games, I think Bioshock Infinite is the worst one. It's still a good game, but the others I think are better.
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Bioshock is a series made by 2K Games, and is highly regarded. It has both futuristic and retro elements which were continued in Bioshock 2. Then in Bioshock Infinite, they flipped the theme around to make it bright and colorful with a new setting and characters.
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Playing Bioshock Infinite is like ordering a nice steak but somehow receiving a roast chicken that's cooked with the same spices. Sure it's still delicious and tastes somewhat in the same vein of what I wanted, but it ain't quite what I had in mind when I ordered it.
Slightly disagree. On top of being different, it just has a bunch of objective issues that are bad on their own.
Oh, you didn't get what you expected? What a greek tragedy! What are we gonna do now?
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@@babasemka and i will eat your shit
If any of you followed Infinite's development, you'll know it got plagued by delays and rewrites. It's why the game is also all over the place and schizophrenic. Levine just kept changing his mind about the direction of the game, constantly thinking of something to add, something to change, something to remove and something to scrap and start all over. If it wasn't for the publisher forcing them to just release it after getting delayed for the 3rd time the game probably still won't be out. They also had to fire almost everyone in the dev team after that if you remember that news.
One example is mentioned in the wikipedia page (the development of the game has it's separate page) where near the end of development he suddenly wanted to add a multiplayer mode and had a team work on that mode, but obviously there's no multiplayer in the game so they also scrapped that. There's also an interview with one of designer/art director who also worked on BS1, SS2 and the Thief games but had to quit and work on the Last of Us instead:
>"The art team and level designers had been working on Finkton for a long time, with Wells directing the style. The inspiration was like the slums in Jamaica or Key West. All of the housing was wooden and colorful, as if painted by the residents to make the depressed quarters more livable. And each bright shack was stacked atop the next, climbing into the sky like an anthill, with the skyline piercing through it."
>"Ken had been in level reviews numerous times. Then one day, the Finkton team was doing a play test, when Ken decided the entire stage was wrong. It looked like the residents lived in garbage. It needed to be beautiful, because Columbia was designed so that even the poor lived beautifully. It was all wrong. And it had to go."
>"Wells was furious. Levine had been looking at this for months. In August of this year, Wells announced his new role as art director at Naughty Dog Studios."
Amusingly, the actual slums area in the game (Shantytown, Finkton is the factory area) doesn't look like the beautiful colorful slums they're talking about so I guess he changed his mind again.
Then there's also the DLC that changes the main game. In the main game they made both sides evil by the end, the Founders were basically the racist government and the Vox as soon as they start the revolution just went with killing everyone, not just the Founders, and even their leader Daisy threatening to kill some kids. But the DLC revealed she didn't actually want to kill the kids and the twins made her, so that Elizabeth can kill her for the plot.
And the ending, where through some sci-fi quantum mumbojumbo they say that killing Booker in the baptism kills every single Booker/Comstock in every infinite timeline. Sure lets go with that and accept that this is how their parallel universes/many worlds works, All Comstocks should be dead at the cost of all Bookers being dead too right? Except one of them somehow still survives and is in Rapture in the DLC and Elizabeth wants to kill him. If there really are infinite timelines then there's probably infinite of these Bookers who also somehow survived in the same way. I don't think they even explained how he survived the supposedly "Kill all Bookers/Comstock" drowning.
And I just don't like how they felt the need to shoehorn Elizabeth into Atlas and Jack's BS1 backstory by making her be the one responsible for letting Atlas know Jack's phrase.
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Yeah, Burial at Sea kinda screwed up the ending for me as well. Like, I originally thought that the ending in Infinite kinda made sense. Basically that Elizabeth exist's as some sort of anomaly in time. A person that (despite there being infinite timelines/realities) is always somehow the same person in every timeline (same powers, same experiences etc). Someone that, unlike Booker or Daisy, is always the same in every time line for some reason. Hence her being an anomaly and was shown in the scene towards the end where you see countless other Elizabeth's leading their respective Bookers throughout lighthouses at the same time. The actual ending/drowning scene with the other Elizabeth's disappearing I thought was showing that (because she is an anomaly) Elizabeth and all versions of herself (again, because anomaly) simultaneously killed all their respective Bookers (meaning all of them) from every timeline before becoming one singular Elizabeth in the same way Booker would gain memories of his other selves whenever he entered a new timeline. But Burial at Sea just tore all of that to shreds. The only way it might make sense is if doing this didn't kill any Booker's in realities where Elizabeth was never born. But, if true, then that means all those Booker's died for zero reason as what she did would never actually erase him from existence.
I enjoyed the story until the last hour or so. They just took it in a really weird direction at the end. The gameplay was alright but felt like a step back from the previous 2 entries.
Yeah honestly. I was following through with the story, trying to understand it as much as possible (even wracking my brain in some parts), but right before the ending, the game threw me for a total loop, and I was put into a state of sincere confusion. I felt like I was dreaming. I had no clue what was going on the entire time and I had to look up afterwards what the lore was for any of it. Overall the game nearly made me question my existence. 0/10 would not recommend another existential crisis. But the rest of the game was fun though.
@@JeffarryLounderEnding is also dumb that booker isnt the og one like remeber every small decision booker made created a new timeline example
*Booker took a shit before getting baptized* this creates a new timeline where booker took it and it didnt.
Bioshock Infinite is Bioshock for Redditors
Elizabeth fans
No,
@@sanster0011 yes
...so Bioshock
YES
I mean I think it’s the worst bioshock but that’s like saying “pick the worst of these three supercars”
The convoluted plot, I could deal with, but the restriction to two guns, the regenerating shield and the campaign being presented as a roller-coaster experience were what convinced me that Infinite derived too much from its contemporaries for its own good.
Don't forget the location based auto save.💔
I guess the restriction for 2 guns is to make it more realistic in how many guns you can carry...but, then again, what about holding a minigun and a shotgun, where would you put the other gun.
I really hate it when most of a franchise lets you be a walking arsenal but suddenly in one game(usually their most recent game) goes "lol 2 weapons only"
Its jarring, messes with the flow established and kills the fun.
Max Payne is a prime example of that bs.(And Dead Space with 3 making it so you only have TWO weapons instead of four)
@@joshuaingram571THAT SHIT PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH
Personally I don’t mind the two guns thing during my play though of bioshock 1 and 2 I always find myself using the shotguns and drill/wrench the entire time I rarely even look at any of the other weapons but I can see why some people would see that as a downgrade
Bioshock 1 and 2 taking place in an underwater city, to me, feels more unsettling than the bright sky aesthetic in Infinite. The dark green lighting and the dim environments look creepier tbh
I'd say Rapture was also a lot more cool for me personally, I've always liked marine biology and ironically have a fear of big open water so it was really cool getting to explore the environments and see everything at the bottom of the ocean. The bathysphere section from 1 is probably my favorite videogame cinematic moment ever. Columbia by comparison just kinda takes place in a normal city (but in the sky)? Like there's no weird life or sense of being super out of place up there other than everyone hating you for no reason, if you just never looked down you could pretend you were on the ground the whole time. I would've liked to have seen maybe some giant birds or floating gas-filled jellyfish creatures or air whales or something that would've suggested a whole different ecosystem and way of life, something to remind you that you're in a fantasy setting.
It could have been creepier and unsettling if they went with the Early Gameplay trailer version. With the crazed politician
Bioshock 2 plot was pushing the limit already.
how tf is that an argument? it's in a different area doesnt mean it has to be unsettling all the time
What sucks to me more is that in my opinion what they were originally going for in the e3 demos was much better in concept. In the demos you arrive in Columbia just when shit hits the fan with the vox and the Colombian military and the tears are corrupting people akin to Adam in rapture but only at the begging. Basically the premise I believe they were intentionally going with was a detective trying to rescue Elizabeth from a collapse utopia.
Ahhh yes, I remember I was 19 ish when this game finally came out.
I remember being pretty upset after playing. I was expecting the second coming of video game Christ.
But it was the time were literally every game was being overhyped, overrated, and just disappointing.
Much like today, but just way worse.
A sadly painfully average and pretentious game with a “you just don’t get it” deep story.
BioShock infinite was fire ngl i enjoyed it
I remember when Infinite came out and every games "journalist" was tripping over each other to fellate it the hardest. It's a dumbed down version of Bioshock which was already a dumbed down version of System Shock 2.
Journalists are blown away at the most minimal attempt at storytelling.
The Last of Us 2 is the biggest proof. The story is told the same way as the first, but they didn't care _what_ was told.
And the poor chaps at IGN who actually reviews the story are few and fired eventually.
And now, they make articles on why it's acshully raycist because of the Vox Populi.
What's even funnier, is that they tried to say this was the SMART person's shooter.
I wonder how people that played Infinite first then the other two games feel. Infinite always felt like it was missing a thing or two that would have made me love it as much as the first two games. But that could be because I was expecting more of direct sequel than a new story
That's because it's literally missing stuff
So many stuff was cut down that looked really cool for reasons
I played infinite first ~2014, then tried 1 in 2016 but never finished it bc I made the mistake of trying to play it on a macbook pro lol… terrible experience.
I’m playing 1 on the switch right now and its been great. I loved infinite, great story, graphics, and gameplay. 1 is very different and the darkness annoys me and strains my eyes… I honestly put them on equal footing (I’m at the part on Bioshock 1 where Tenenmbaum wants me to be a big daddy)
Allegedly it waas in development hell for a lot of time and what we have is something that was kind of cobbled together
I played Infinite first then the other two games. I have to say the first two games are way better than Infinite. The third game is a convoluted mess.
Coming back to this now that I finished all 3 again on the switch:
So after playing 1 and 2 and then 3, yeah there are definitely some glaring issues with 3 and the story is nowhere near as good. The play experience was kind of irritating, if anything. This contrasts sharply with my first time experience with Bioshock, where I played Infinite first then tried Bioshock 1 a couple years after that (and I loved Infinite, but hated Bioshock 1... interesting).
first lol
People really like to overlook how repetitive some of the sections in 1 were (getting all the Big Daddy suit parts) and how terrible the final boss battle was.
and the bee hive thing omfg, had to turn it to easy to get past that
For real, in the last few levels you can really see they rushed the development.
Plus out of all of the Bioshock games it really drags out the plot towards the end.
Oh, man, there's nothing to change. You were spot on. Decent game, but certainly no way near 1 and 2. Great video! Is the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series next on the list?
The problem I had when I first played it was that it didn't *feel* like a Bioshock game. The weapon variety and inventory being chopped down to 2, the majority of the vigors sucking aside from 4, the lack of creative ways to approach an enemy compared to the first 2, and that godforsaken ending.
Bioshock Infinite reached for the sky, but ended up sinking to the bottom of the ocean.
Ironic.
@@LamWarp my game is the best
IMO the main issue is that Infinite feels more like COD, unlike the original Bioshock wich comes from games like System Shock. Immersive Sims are reaaaaally cool when you get into it, and Bioshock was like a "light" version, that's why it became popular while keeping some elements. Infinite was design with "make it similar to modern games so it sells" in mind and yes, Bioshock 1 had the same issue during developement, but it still maintains it's ImSim roots.
Also, personally, the concept of "objectivism" and Ayn Rand's philosophy are more interesting than Infinite's themes.
I don't know. I found the "American Exceptionalism" and "Christian Supremacy" themes interesting. They're definitely opposite Rand's philosophy, so it was interesting, to me anyway, in exploring those differences. Especially after playing through all three and their DLCs back to back again recently. And then seeing that Elizabeth was there at the beginning on the plane just before Bioshock 1 took place in Burial at Sea 2
@@visionhawk4403 The extreme contrast of both themes is interesting tbh. Like making two games with opposite ideologies? Actually cool.
But beyond that, I think Bioshock 1 is more interesting. Probably because I've never heard from Ayn Rand in other place or media, so it was foreign to me.
I thought pretty much everybody agreed that Infinite was the weakest Bioshock. Although I could see how someone might think it's the best if they were too young to play the first one or something and played Infinite first.
Anyway I didn't think Infinite was terrible, or even bad... just really hard for anything to measure up to the bar set by the first one.
Ok why the hell do people think 2 is a step down
I don't really like BioShock Infinite as well. I played BioShock 1 before, really loved it, so i remember being excited for Infinite when it was announced, and when the game was released in 2013 i remember enjoying it, but feeling kinda dissapointed. When i replayed the entire series a few years back, my feelings towards the game were mixed. My main problem with the game is the fact that it got rid of all of the "immersive sim" elements. BioShock 1 and 2 were a sort of a more simplified and streamlined "versions" of something like System Shock 2. Infinite has none of that, and the sad thing is that the game seems to have had those elements, judging by the earlier gameplay demos from E3 2011 and 2012, but they were cut, and what we got in the end is a game that streamlined it's gameplay elements so much that it lost all of the series's identity in the process.
First one was exploring the politics and ethics of it's themes and, huge plot twist, the story actually ended in the first game.
That's why the second game is a "let down" it's more of a normal shooter. Straightforward and most of the story is mainly more of what we have in two.
So. 1 made a story and effectively finished it, 2 explored a bit more and was fun. But the arc ended. There was little there.
But they told their story. No need to keep squeezing it.
Now comes infinite with exploring a couple of different things such as scientific....whatever the whole tear and timelines thing, but also the religion and slavery things. Family, loyalty, alternate timelines....etc So. It's telling a very different story.
It's like a haunted house story and zombie survival story. Both are technically horror but it just feels wrong to compare both. I will admit that some thing in infinite made little to no sense story wise. And I did immensely enjoy the little sisters aspect to the first game. All are fun and can exist. If anything huge respect to the devs for making a new game and exploring new things. Now everyone just want to milk an ip dry with no room for artistic exploration.
Bioshock Infinite is the fall from grace for Ken Levine. Up to a few months prior to release, the game wasn't even in a functional playable state! All of the stuff that got them awards at game shows was cut from the game, and what you're left with is a miserable shell of it's hype
And don't even get started on Burial at Sea, the story for that is just basically Ken Levine throwing a temper tantrum and trying to sabotage his toys before he left 2K.
bioshock infinite feels like a dream to me, it leave a deep impression but i can't recall much specific details
I just finished this game after playing it over the course of months and couldn’t agree more. Despite all of the game’s controversies, the world building and atmosphere is undoubtedly the best part. The ending is obviously a lot thrown at you at once, but since the first 3/4 of the game has little to no lore or sense of going anywhere, the last quarter is incredibly overwhelming . This is why I can walk away from this game being more appreciative of the physical beauty in the world (much like a dream) without caring too much about what happened within it
@@MattyHwang
Its half nightmare though, some hideous characters. Half of the NPCs looked like bug people or Aliens. The other half were realistic.😂
I played BioShock 1 not 2. And could not wait for Infinite because the previews looked amazing. It did not disappoint. Definitely surpassed the original which I highly enjoyed. I do not play horror games. Didn't know going onto BioShock 1 that it had horror elements. But it was definitely far from the scariest and just fine. Yes Infinite is beautiful. And that is a huge improvement. Video says underwater is more interesting than the floating city. What? Sure underwater is interesting. But a floating city is easily more interesting. Another improvement is that the original was more like an abandoned empty city. In Infinite, there's a population with much more going on. I don't remember much about the scarcity in the original. Having too many weapons just isn't necessary. Having 2 + melee hook is actually better. I had repeater and sniper. So I would use my limited money to just work on upgrading those. Video complains about vigor redundancy. Yet thinks 11 is better than 8. I'm glad they scaled that down. The only issue with Infinite is the story sucks. Not just because it's convoluted. and too botched up to even apprehend. The entire premise is just bad. You have attempted dozens of times and lost your memory of it. Your love interest turns out to be your daughter who has been renamed. Oh not to mention the protagonist is also the main boss villain. So the solution is for multiple reality versions of your daughter to murder you by drowning. It's soo betond moronic. Aside from terrible story, infinite is easily the superior game in so many ways.
0:28 this reminds me of a *certain* game franchise , where u play as a nerdy ass scientist with a crowbar and an orange metal suit :):):)
lmao
Can't think of any games like that.
Hmm, the only game I can think from that is a game about portals and a psychopathic robot…
in the original 2 bioshocks in the spirit of immersive sims the gameplay and story were pretty tightly interwoven. in infinite some parts of the gameplay flatout contradict the story. like if everyone in Columbus is extremely religious then there'd be no reason for them to genetically enhance themselves or for comstock to try and traverse different dimensions which are probably sins that god would look down apon i dunno
As with everywhere in history, not everyone eats the company stew.
@@wolfiesworld9361 yeah, but you would think the ultra religious zeals would do something about them. Tho there is nothing contradicting about Comstock travelling to different dimensions.
I only have two negative? comments:
First, vigors are supposed to be comboed, Crows and then Devil's kiss make the crows be made of fire. The water plasmid can be shot and it boosts the electricity one. You should have experimented more with them
Second, the story is actually easily understandable. The ending and some other details are not TBH but the main twist with the Vox Populi is explained in dialogue even
literally got a tattoo from bioshock 1, this game impacted me so much, some of the best world building ive seen in gaming, they way u can just listen to audio logs to know what happened to certain places and when, or just the environmental story telling and all of that isnt even obligatory to progress, its just that interesting and fun to explore and I think more games should use their media to tell stories like that. Because even some of my friends who dont play single player games or care about stories loved bioshock 1, they were always checking around for audio logs or clues about what happened and so on, I was surprised to see them actually care like that. And I think its because bioshock uses its video game form as a strength to tell its story
I wont try to change your mind because your right.
She didn’t have to drown Booker. He was never going to be comstock.
A few weeks back,
Everywhere i went theres a bunch of people who really really really really hate bioshock infinite.
At this time i dont know anything about bioshock series so i asked why they hated it. They all went quiet and never replied back. So at this point bioshock series got me interested.
Went to all the articles and reviews about it. Asked a bunch of people if bioshock infinite is really that bad. They all responded positively saying that it was a masterpiece and could be the greatest on the series. The same on article and some youtube reviews of it.
Well this convinced me to play bioshock series.
So outright i bought the bioshock infinite on ps3 that comes with bioshock 1.
I first played bioshock 1 on ps3 b4 Bioshock infinite. And it really hit me like a truck. Great game 🔥.
So i went and tried bioshock infinite..
And i just finished it today. I must say i dont get the hate on the game??
I fcking love infinite. I havent play the BS2 but i'll be on it soon.
In anycase i consider bioshock infinite and 1 as a masterpiece. Theyre on the same level *for* me.
And some people who i met online said the same thing. Maybe its upto the persons taste??
Recently i have been playing the entire bishock trilogy for the first time and i just finished infinite a few hours ago with 0 spoilers and i must say as i was playing it i was confused by all the hate it didn’t make much sense yeah it wasn’t like the first 2 games but it was a good different then i got to the ending and i sat in silence for around 10 minutes trying to figure out the ending because it made zero sense to me it felt like it came out of left field almost like they didn’t like the original ending so they just made up something thats why it went from a good game to me to one of my least favorites i am ok with sad endings but this one felt wrong to me like it shouldn’t of happened so i do think thats why so many people hate it
Infinite opens up all these very emotional things but doesn't satisfy in the end IMO. You have racism, religion, politics, quantum mechanics, multiverses....but none of these themes are adequately delved into. The first two games are much more meaty when it comes to dialog and philosophy....Infinite even had a talking protagonist but still couldn't deliver a message.
Play prey next
It took me 3 replays to finally come to my senses that infinite is indeed a masterpiece 😅
Took a long time ngl. It's probably because the first and the second time I played it I didn't bother paying attention to the story 😂 I installed in my mind that infinite is "trash" because the social media said so. Lmao i got brainwashed through the internet
Absolutely loved it.
It's my favourite, but I loved all of them...
3:03 I thought the boys of silence were pretty creepy when I first saw them. 4:29 I feel like objectively the plasmid wheel is easier to use cuz it froze time and needed one button. The plasmid in infinite are also very powerful, the desicion for less is because in 1 u would have a plasmid for hypnotising big daddies and making secruity turrets shoot enemies. In infinite you have possession which is essentially both combines into 1, also infinite has vigor traps and different ways to use them like undertow can grab enemies and pull them to you, return to senders 'trap' is essentially absorbing damage and then lets u throw all the bullets shot into you back at them as an orb which can be placed as a trap. U can also upgrade it so that while absorbing damage u can collect the ammo shot at you. just like u can upgrade charge to do explosive damage. The argument for guns can be made that in bioshocks 1 and 2 the games end up forcing you to use different weapons when u run out of ammo, in infinite it is much of the same except u have to pick up another weapon rather than already having it, also certain enemies dont user certain weapons and so you would need to choose what gun to use where, also liz can help u adapt a battle to how u want to play. I tended to go with one to deal with canon fodder and another for high damage but lower ammo. I feel like the ammo types were turned into the vox variations of the guns but it was not that well done. The story is honestly a bit overhated, 8:52 they take ur means of transport and say u can have it back once u help them, 9:02 they start shooting at you because in that universe when u appear Daisy says ur an imposter because Booker is dead and u can even find audiologs of the booker in that universe. 9:13 well liz gets captured by song bird and then u go to rescue her but then u end up going into a tear in the future where booker never saves her which is why she is old and she tells u that time rots everything and while its too late for her its not too late for the elizabeth in bookers world and so she sends him back with a letter for younger liz which is the song used to control the songbird. Which u end up killing because you lose the means to control him and because u destroyed the siphon in liz's tower shes now a interdimensional demigod that can go into other universes at will, which she does to kill songbird. Then afterwards liz find outs that despite u killing comstock there is still an infinite amount of comstocks in other universes, so shes like 'yo booker go back in time and kys' so they go to when booker makes the choice of becoming comstock or booker and drown him so comstock never existed in the first place because there is no booker in the past anymore. Tho i do agree the story is quite complex but once its understood its not that bad esp considering how it leads to the DLCs. great video tho, love to see videos on older games cuz theyre quite rare these days.
I agree. I still remember to this day a Bioshock Infinite fan telling me that because I didn't think this one was a 10/10 Masterpiece and I'm gonna quote here. "I represent everything wrong with humanity and I should self delete myself." Wow...
Today, they've morphed into toxic RE fans who blindly defend every single RE game as a 10/10 Masterpiece. At least now they just tell ya you're blinded by nostalgia if you don't agree with them. Progress.
Basically the only thing Bioshock Infinite has common with the other two Bioshock games are the -plasmids- vigors. I played Infinite first, I liked it at first but then the story got so confusing and retarded that I stopped caring. And no, I'm not gonna watch 10 "story explained" videos just to understand that supposedly "profound" story. I'm done with Infinite. I recently played Bioshock 1 and it was so much better in pretty much every way.
Please stop saying the r word
The plot was amazing, the best in the series. The people who find it "convoluted" just didn't have the brain power to understand it.
Stop being so soft
Infinite is a nice console shooter that wants to pretend to be a bioshock game.
It is an ok game but a bad bioshock.
There are a lot of plot-holes in this game, however I'm going to focus on 1, because it stands out to me: So is the timeline where the Vox Pupuly got there weapons the Booker from that timeline joined the Vox, because the Elizabeth he was chasing was moved from Monument Island to Comstock House, however he died in battle before he could reach her. However when the Booker and Elizabeth we follow enter the timeline where the Vox Pupuly got there weapons the Elizabeth from THAT timeline is no where to be found. In fact kind of just forgets that our heroes hopped universes as evidenced by Comstock not acknowliging that he's now dealing with 2 Elizabeths instead just (1 Elizabeth that's in his custody and another that's helping us).
And you what would've been really cool: having a fully brainwashed and fully juiced up Elizabeth be the final boss. Alternatively, we could just fix this plot-hole by having Elizabeth teleport the guns needed for revolution to their universe (no universe hopping required) and then our heroes temporery join the Vox as they both want Comstock dead. It's only once Fitzroy desides to kill Fink's son that our heroes desert the Vox by killing Fitzroy.
Spicy take you have there, I have never played any Bioshock so I have no opinion but I could imagine those who really REALLY like the games won't really like it
Aside from the messy story and mediocre writing, something I wasn't a fan of in Infinite was the change in atmosphere. In Rapture, you felt like you were deep beneath the sea. The water leaking, dripping, and the groaning of the buildings made you tense and worried that any moment the water would break through and you'd drown in the ocean. There was a sense of gloom and doom as you were wandering around a dark and derelict city on your own against a mob of insane people ready to kill you. You felt isolated and just wanted to get out any way you could.
In Columbia, there's none of that. It's bright and sunny there all the time. I get that it's trying to make you feel like you're in Heaven, but it eliminates the gloom, dread, and fear that Rapture made you feel. You interact with normal people for parts of the game and even have an ally right by you, which takes away that feeling of isolation that you're on you're own. There's no real sense of danger or thinking something around the corner is going to get you. Columbia, while beautiful looking, doesn't hold a candle to the dread and gloominess that Rapture had.
controversial opinion, but... I think all bioshock games are mid
"Bioshock 2 was also good but a bit of a step down"
Nah Disagree with that man, bioshock 2 is as great as bioshock 1........bioshock 2 is waaaaaay better than QuantumShock (it should have been called that than bioshock cause infinite to me is NOT a bioshock game)
Oh.....and QuantumShock (Bioshock infinite) sucks
Bioshock 2 has the best gameplay for me, but it tried to do so much with tower defense missions and a experimental multiplayer. Just wish people played minerva's den and thought a little more about infinite plot with their head out of their asses.
there's 4 columbia's now????????????????
columbia
district of columbia
british columbia
columbia (floating city)
Bioshock Infinite is a great game, but it's a game I always seem to get bored of mid way through and drop. Bioshock 1-2 I can always go back to and finish from start to end with no problem.
Funny cause everyone dickrode infinite into oblivion and always shit on 2. I've always thought 2 was the best story and gameplay wise. Always thought infinite is the worst. Seems everyone's starting to agree with me but that was never the case till about a year ago. I still appreciate infinite though. Wouldn't change a thing about any of em. Ofc Rapture > Columbia. Burial at sea was a great dlc too.
Finally someone disagree even ppl simps for Elizabeth, also the fact i got confused at the ending of the game but i got the meaning of the whole thing in infinite.
How hard was it to not mention Elizabeth’s reputation to addicts?
Elaborate, I'm autistic and don't get the joke
@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943 answer me this, what have sfm/blender artists done to Elizabeth in the past 9-10 years?
@@pennsy6755 Ah, now I get it
@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943 i still dont get it =( i dont watch weird fanart
@@_G3M5_ It's just porn
Very weak arguments, stop playing COD it hurts your cognitive abilities
Very weak counter argument, stop playing COD it hurts your argumentative abilities.
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@@LamWarp This is legit the kind of thing they used to say back when this game dropped, jesus christ.
@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943
NOOOOOOOO STOP
ENJOYING THINGS I DON'T LIKE 🤓 *starts fucking banging at the desk like a toddler*
Why would I change your mind when you're right?
What keeps annoying me about Infinite is Elizabeth's so-called "good AI", no it is not good, it is not existing, she is not the enemies targets, despite that she should be story wise, she teleports literally around and is a walking cheat, providing ammo and money. It is not a good AI if she just ports around like this. This is something I will never get. That aside. Infinite in itself is a big down step to the former two games. Most enemies were repetitive, not used the plasmids unlike the former games again, and variety in itself was also lacking, the big machine guys for example barely appeared, despite being so present in the opening, and no real fight against the Bird. It felt out of place when the game reached literal ghosts in form of the mother ghost as a boss. It felt not good in any sense, experience wise. And not get me started on how a lot of graphics can look ugly if you start looking close, like the copy and paste NPC's.
Bioshock infinite is 100x better than 1 or 2 purely because lettuce twins.
I played Infinite first. I'm amazed how Bioshock 1 and 2 are praised.
- Complicated navigation mess with no actual story, srsly "my plane crashed, I'm off to explore underwater city" wtf xD
- Questionable design choices that FORCE you to use certain elements of the game by making you feel like an idiot
- Small cramped spaces filled with garbage and no place to maneuver
- No actual locations, every space is dark shithole with no redeeming features, doesn't feel like a city
- AI that can be bamboozled by standing under the stairs
- Lack of ammo, thanks for giving me the gun and no ammo to use it, am I playing dark messiah now?
- Dark atmosphere created by sophisticated mechanic called jumpscare.
- And cherry on top: community of fans that are triggered that studio decided to make the game they wanted instead of
fan-service they served with Bioshock 2.
Yet for some reason videos like this exist, and fans of 1 and 2 feel entitled to tell what Bioshock is and isn't.
Most opinions about Bioshock 1 and 2 are nothing more but a copy of a copy.
But muh "no gods or kings only man"
But muh "would you kindly"
But muh "big daddy"
Infinite is very different, so at that point it is personal preference, that's why I said "change my mind". For me, BioShock 1 and 2 are much better.
The story and philosophy is so much better in rapture than Colombia and it's not very debatable. The art and gameplay can definitely be discussed, sure.
Not even, the the first 2 had strong art direction and better gameplay lol
I completely respect your opinion however I disagree with your opinion. I admit that the game has a lot of faults but what it has is still very good. I had recently replayed the game on hard to revisit it as it provided a unique itch that was different from rapture. It showed a beautiful city that was lifted above the earth but was still rooted in its problems. It still lives up to what bioshock as a setting set out to be a man's misjudged belief that you can make a society quarantined from the world without still being plagued by it. Rapture was created by Ryan as a response to escape the nuclear age however Columbia and Comstock were to escape regret. I think infinite does this well with the final confrontation with slate wanting a mercy killing. I like a lot of people who did not kill him the first time around as he was a comrade but when I saw him next as a lobotomized vegetable I did. Ever since that moment without hesitation I do it the first time around. The game play is actually pretty good. I like using the pistol as its fast and has a pretty substantial ammo capacity. The weapon variety never made me feel pressed for ammo. I choose to scavenge every thing I can find and spend less on ammo & health to better upgrade weapons and vigors. The vigors actually do play well for me as the variety and combinations can liven combat. Fully upgraded murder of crows & devils kiss is a broken combo as it kills everyone and whoever's left has to deal with oops all crows with everyone becoming a crow land mine. Clash in the clouds is a fun experience for anyone who really likes the combat as it allows for experimentation to see what really goes well together with an assortment of gears, guns, and vigors. Running and gunning have damage multipliers with every kill, a shield that recharges faster, and another multiplier for aiming sights with your trusty shotgun. I'm fine with infinite being the black sheep of the trilogy because love it or hate it takes pride in doing something different.
You should convince him in the comments that he is wrong and not just repeat everything in your words...
I want to see opposing opinions here!
Bioshock infinite is definitely a top 3 bioshock
Bioshock Infinite tied the whole series together and without it, the series wouldn't have been nearly as good. I'd say BS1 was the best because it was original, but Infinite was a close second because of the story and the graphics. BS2 had good gameplay, but was mostly forgettable.
Not really.
All Infinite REALLY did was trace over the first game
Personally I liked Bioshock 2 as much as I did the first game.
It's not the worst, but it's the "least good"
damn first
Bioshock Infinite's story is certainly rough. When I first got through playing it and begun discussing it with my friend, we both kinda agreed that, the premise was good! The execution, was not. My friend described it like having the world-builders and the writers in two entirely separate rooms that could only pass notecards to each-other. The quantum mechanics could've worked, but they weren't made cohesive for the player. Its hard to participate in a story when you don't know what that story is.
I think it could've been a comprehensive story like the first two games, it just... wasn't.
Wait a minute, were they trying to expand Bioshock universe? With Ryan making his city for man in the ocean depths, Infinite for god and faith, and a third missing entry for Goverment and state?
Probably. Though government and state would be something on the ground, and at that point, it would be too much like every other game. It's doesn't feel unique enough to be a Bioshock game IMO. I'm all for it though.
@@LamWarp There will be a Bioshock movie by Netflix in the near future. I would die of happiness if it was about that. Although any Bioshock content is great!
Great video you made! And thanks for answering my comment! :D
i wanna make videos like him, can you guys give me tips about editing?
I can't really give tips for that. It's just something you have to experiment with and get a feel for. I guess you can search tutorials for how to do specific things, but as a style, that's just something you develop over time.
Bioshock Infinite is amazing! Just like the other 2
this game was the first bioshock ggame i played and is one of the most boring games i eve plaed
I agree, I didn't understand Bioshock Infinite's story. Maybe I am just dumb. Either way the story in an interactive medium such as games should be easy enough to follow. This is not the case in Bioshock Infinite, which is a waste. They could have dumbed down the story and worked more on the gameplay. Maybe release a separate novel which explains stuff in more detail.
Or maybe just sprinkle lore all over the game and make it mysterious, so players have to watch lore videos afterwards. Looking at you FromSoftware ;). At least in these games they still have good gameplay, and the story is not so much in your face.
If you've read Rapture or listened to the midnight series, that whole arc in Rapture is very fleshed out and has a great story.
Bioshock 2 literally has no reason to exist like even ken levine him self said that so my order will be
Bioshock 1
Bioshock infinite
Bioshock 2
No Bioshock has a real reason to exist... BS2's reasons are just as valid as BS1 and especially infinite. Ken Levine is just stupid here.
Kev Levine also said he didn't want to make another Bioshock game and then he revealed Judas to be just another Bioshock clone. His words don't hold much weight at all.
bioshock infinite is a masterpiece as a game, but it's the worse bioshock.
Bioshock as a whole is just for normies who only play fps games . Red Dead Redemption and Xenoblade and yakuza have better plot lines. I bet you don't even know what xenoblade even is. Try some fallout new vegas. Shadow of the Colossus Play better games. Bioshock ain't special 😅
Sounds like a skill issue, prolly playing on the lowest difficulties like a scrub so allow me to enlighten you lil bro
This is the kind of insight i'd appreciate when looking into the series instead of moaning about (ignorable) "plot holes"
Charge+2
Electric Punch
Blood To Salt
Last Man Standing
Vampire's Embrace
Try not to have fun using that
If you still don't then experiment with the rest, there could be an Infinite amount of combos you can achieve and play in the most varied, productive and self fulfilling way possible. I've played for 150 hours and it feels like i'm not done just yet while i played 1 and don't have any will to replay it. It's cool, even masterful but after the first playthrough i feel like it lost its magic for me, 2 i'd rather kms than replay, hacking is better, duel wielding is nice, shock jockey slaps, drill moveset is awesome and big sister enemy type is fun but other than that it's not good enough and just "good" or "ok" is garbage and a waste of time in my eyes. I recommend my friends to pretend it doesn't exist, Minerva's Den is the only part where i didn't want to stab myself from boredom but it's not worth buying the mid base game that comes with it. You can imagine what a breath of fresh air Columbia was after that previous miserable torturous slog of an experience, plus Liz is the best companion i've seen in any game ever.
What i want my mind changed on is this:
Possession and Devil's Kiss are garbage, can't find any use for them after getting Murder Of Crows, (powerful trap and great crowd control option) passed that point i've only used Possession to get Silver Eagles from machines and nothing else, Devil's Kiss literally no use ever. Anyone figured something fun to try with these? I feel like the potential is Infinite, while with the plasmids i only used Shock Jockey because everything else was useless to me, even melee. The perks i equipped was for my experience to be less painful from what i remember lol, instead of adding to my gameplay style. I love 1 but god damn...i don't feel like going back to it anytime soon, the choices didn't even matter since there's always one canon ending so who cares...unless you're dealing with Infinite universes. Not even the ammo or guns helped differentiate it from other FPS, here's another plus of Bioshock 2, it has some unique weapons to it. (Still trash though) and while Infinite or 1 doesn't, i stick and upgrade only my 2 fav weapons and spend the rest on damage upgrades for a few others like the sniper or volley gun, mostly Vigors though. Vigors and Plasmids are why i loved Bioshock in the first place and Polymers are why i love Atomic Heart right now. 3 more DLCs that i'm waiting to release so i can buy, that first one slapped and i'm hyped for the rest, plus that Judas game if it ever comes out. Clockwork Revolution looks aight too...idk if i'd buy a Bioshock 4 though. I don't have the "it's different and therefore ruined" syndrome but i'm still very skeptical on how and most importantly WHY would someone want to make that
i think we can all agree that elizabeth is one of the best video game compagnion ever
I wish she was mute.
you have to do a video of GTA SA Definitive Edition or The Hunter Classic, for GTA SA Definitive Edition this would be the title "Gta San Andreas Definitive Edition is a BAD remaster... change my mind" and for The Hunter Classic, this would be the title "The Hunter Classic is the BEST hunting game... change my mind"
Bioshock 1 is pretty mediocre. The story isn't even as good compared to Final Fantasy 9 or Yakuza 0. Having everything told in audio recordings is lazy. The villains aren't good. the bosses are lame. Arkham City is better.
I'm replaying all 3 games right now, I thought maybe I was too hard on Infinite and I'd be wrong about all my critiques, but they still ring completely true. I think "infinite" really is a reference to your money, because its fuckin impossible to ever run out. Ammo is 8 dollars and ten seconds after you buy it Elizabeth is just gonna throw you a 20. Whereas 1 and 2 felt designed around using your plasmids, this game feels like its designed around forgetting they exist. Just shoot everyone in the head and call it a day, even on Hard
Bioshock Infinite has the best gunplay and movement compared to the other two (but limiting the player with only two guns is bs). The real punch-in-the-gut for infinite falls to the story. In the other two, you really felt like making a difference by your choices in-game. In infinite, they gave you choices but it'll lead to the same ending, so none of your choice matters. I love the characters, but the plot is just too complicated. When I first finished it I went, "tf just happened?"
The real shit-fest goes to Infinite's dlc: burial at sea part 2. .
Bioshock infinite is the best game ever
Change my mind
I played Bioshock Infinite and found it to be a step down compared to the original Bioshock let alone System Shock 2. I played and beat both of those games over and over, but after a single playthough of Inifnite, I couldn't muster up the will to carry out a second one.
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Mixed opinions? I don't like this game, but based off of its high metacritic, google, and steam reviews, the majority like this game.
I like the Game I Played it 5 Times it is one of the Games of all Time
Aesthetics are good in Infinite, my problem is the DLCs, The Weapons, The No Medkits or Salt Hypos to use mid battle. The both DLCs are meant to discourage Full On Combat, which is fine, but why do you punish the player with the worst hand gun, no ammo, and enemies keep respawning, there should be the Rewards aspect for going stealth besides staying alive. The Weapons suck, even after you upgrade, I stuck with the Machine Gun and RPG for most of the game, occasionally switching the RPG for a Volley Gun and the Machine Gun for any ranged weapon that will allow decent range with decent damage and then go back, most of my upgrades went to the Plasmids, mainly Bronco, Shock Jockey, Spartan Shield, and Murder of Crows, with the weapons upgrades being Machine Gun and RPG, it's stupid because as this video states, it's a coin toss, only the coin toss is two heads and no tail when it comes to weapons because who tf is thinking we love two weapon swaps with no diversity, that's a Cod thing, not a BioShock thing. No Medkits? It's fine, it was an overpowered feature in the first one, and got balanced in the Second installment, but why in God's beautiful mind would you remove that and make health pickups only accessible through tears or really-far-from-battle-arena Circus of Values? Or Salts? Why do I have to dig up corpses or spend close to 90 dollars for a full bar? What I thought would have made a balanced change is like what they have in Shadow Warrior, where you have a medkit, you're at 35 health, use it, boom, at 100 health and your medkit is 35, but do this for both Salts and Medkits? I don't hate this one, but my god is it not only difficult, it's frustrating that I lose 60 out of the 70 coins I have everytime I fuck up a Stealth Sequence.
Nah, you're right.
Too much ideea, too little time and resources to pull it off. That's Bioshock Infinite
i neither dislike infinite nor hate it .. i disown it ever existed.. it's not a bioshock game .. never was and never will be.
if you like it, good, if you hate it ... good, and if you don't agree with my post.. leave me alone.
to me Bioshock only has 2 games, literally bioshock 1 and 2. that's it.
You can carry 4 weapons and select them through a menu, which i didn't know about during my 2 walkthroughs, also you can explain 8 plasmids instead of 11 in 1 and 2 with infinite's time period. It's like 40 years apart from the first game's story.
Τhe story of Bioshock Infinite with parallel universes and paradoxes is excellent.. If you don't cherish such beautiful scenarios i suggest DOOM....
I've played all BioShocks and I strongly agree. Infinite is just.... not bioshock.
I dont even want to compare the OG bioshock to infinite... They feel so different... Im glad they exist
game dares to entertain the idea of multiverse
fails miserably at even touching it properly
at no point they even question what's happening
lack of the option to shoot everyone and just leave
also i only used return to sender to rush enemies and bucking bronco to knock enemies away after rushing them
i will admit, i hate infinite's burial at sea dlc with all my heart. the way it bends over jtself backwards so hard it's self contradictory is a massive detractor in my books. plus, they get the rapture aesthetic wrong, thry lean on 50s era art deco instead of the 30s era art deco the original rapture was built with. burial at sea's rapture largely feels like a knockoff more than actually rapture, imo.
I find the vigor system way better. You can go through areas and select which two you’d like to toggle back and forth between. It forces you to get creative. For instance I like setting up a fire mine and then drag my victims to it with the water noodle vigor. Very satisfying!
But yea everything about the guns is a step back. They don’t have those cool visual changes like the other games did. I don’t mind carrying two because you can find all the good ones pretty much everywhere.
Infinite would have been fine without the bioshock in it. We don't call Bioshock 1 "System Shock 3". They only tagged it on for brand recognition. If it was it's own game, nobody would hate it. It's a lesser game, but it's like going from system shock 2 to call of duty. It sucks if you're looking for bioshock.
I'm I think Bioshock is boring compared to Bioshock Infinite. But it's not as cool as 1 i'll give you that.
Two-weapon limit can work really well if the game (sandbox, weapons, levels, encounters, etc…) is designed around it. See almost very Halo game… but it works terribly if it's not… see… most other games using said limit. Interestingly, Bioshock 1's weapon roster is a lot more like Halo than Bioshock Infinite, which strikes me more like CoD (similar guns, different aesthetic).
As for the story: it's not *that* deep, they're just having a lot of fun with conceptual ideas and time travel and stuff. The thing though, having a complicated story doesn't make it good. I honestly don't find Bioshock Infinite's story that engaging, despite it's depth, the first was far more interesting.
Anyway, I feel like the consensus these days is that Bioshock Infinite (aside from DLCs) isn't that good, and to the degree it was regarded was good was at launch because of novelty.
Honestly the worst part of bioshock infinite for me are the burial at sea campaigns. I honestly don’t even consider them canon or apart of the original bioshock lore considering the different asteroid look rapture has, the type of big daddy booker fighters not even suppose to be in existence yet, the skyline and vigors existing in the game when clearly they shouldn’t be, Elizabeth being butchered to hell and back, the retcons they did to bioshock infinite in the game, and so on.
Just so many inconsistencies and poorly thought out ideas that I can’t even consider them canon to anything in any of the bioshock games.
Why would I change your mind? I agree with you. Bioshock infinite is the worst
God of war 2018 and ragnarok aren't God of war 1,2,3 Ascension, COO, GOS
I've replayed BS1 many many times. I replayed BS2 a couple of times. I played BioShock Infinite once. I've never been so disappointed in a game before. This was an example of having too much time and missing the point of what made you successful in the first place.
>There must be an alternate reality where Bioshock Infinite is a good game.
>0:55 Our Big Daddy told us to not be ashamed of our Drills.
>2:30 The last time i was baptized, it burn me.
>4:13 Asking Lamp to seek things is like asking a Beheaded Kamikaze to not explode.
>4:45 *ASMR_Sounds.avi*
>6:06 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
>7:58 HombreEnSillaDeRuedasMan
>8:33 The less complicated fanfic story.
>10:47 R.I.P LamWarp, Cancelled for disliking a game from 10 years ago.
>I just notice that Elizabeth is Gap Hag just like Yukari Yakumo.
That's what bothers me so much about Infinite. It's not a bad game persay, and if it was called anything other than Bioshock no one would have any of the complaints they do. Simply put, Bioshock Infinite is a good game, but it's a really bad Bioshock game.
*_SPOILERS AHEAD_*
The only saving grace of Infinite was Burial At Sea Episode 2 and that's pretty much only because it had a more plasmid favored gameplay loop and it makes Bioshock 1 the definitive canon universe and it's story / ending the canon ending of everything. Still though, the game sucked compared to BS1. It was a cop out to say "We made the story too complex with too many inconsistincies and loopholes so we're just going to wrap it messily and call BS1 the one true universe where all this comes to an end."
*sigh*