Billy & Stu's ORIGINAL deleted MOTIVE... | (It was cut for being too dark...) | Scream (1996)
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- Hello everyone and welcome to todays episode of Beyond The Mask. Today, I’m going to be revealing and discussing the very first draft of Scream, or ‘Scary Movie’ as it was known originally, and how the original motive from Billy Loomis & Stu Macher was different to the motive we got.
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Interesting. In the 80s a female teacher from my high school groomed and slept with 3 students. 2 of the guys committed suicide before they graduated.
The media portrays situations like that as a "guy's fantasy." It's not.
It has emotional consequences.
That's awful.
I think they should have kept that storyline because there were so many storylines in tv and movies with the false narrative that it's okay if the student is a boy. Why not shine a light on the reality of it?
Oh no I’m so sorry.
Them getting their D wet probably wasn't the problem, more likely the bullying after
Depends if the chick was hot, if its some old chubby chick its definitely a crime but hot chick those guys should've counted themselves lucky.
@@nialllappin4159 that’s beyond trashy. Go away.
A big part of the fun of Scream is the self-aware focus on the horror genre. Having a situation like the original one would have turned it too much toward a real crime drama and away from a mocking indulgent parody.
I agree. It would have changed the tone of the movie completely.
Problem is the more the series went on the "we're so clever for pointing out horror cliches" routine got annoying.
I prefer the motive of the one we got. Now if this was a story about how Billy and Stu get revenge on a local female paedophile that'd be an interesting revenge story exploring how trauma in some can form. I much prefer the one we got because the motive is so light which makes the pair more psychotic, like Michael Myers in the original Halloween having no motive to kill anyone, especially as a child, and it makes sure the audience have no sympathy at the end.
I agree. If they had went the original way, it would have been hard to feel empathy for anyone in this movie, and that would have made it just shitty movie. The audience needs to care about the victims and hate the killers. Otherwise there's no point.
If shes hot she would have been doing Stu and Billy a great service
Same. I'm all for movies highlighting the suffering of innocents, but it would've ruined this particular movie for me. Maureen and Sidney would've been totally unsympathetic and I wouldn't have cared as much about Sidney winning. I also would've not been able to feel any significant outrage at Bill or Stu.
Then again, I do also think it made the movie work less well... I couldn't relate to Sidney because she seemed too perfect and their motives made no sense. Now I know why.
Maybe that should be a separate movie that plays out differently.
honestly, their motive makes a whole lot more sense than "youre mom was whore and destroyed my dads life", feels more personal and makes more sense.
except that I don't believe that shit about boys becoming killers over that shit. Come on. Girls need to be the ones to become killers over that shit as much as they think it's ok when grown ass men are knocking up their underaged students. When was the last time you heard of a male teacher going to prison over the same shit you hear of a female teacher going to prison over having sex with her students? Hell, these grown ass men can grab a little 10 yr old girl and kiss her on the lips in front of several people and NOTHING is fkn done. YES I have trauma, but for my daughter not me.
Agree!
That's because you have a functioning moral compass, impulse control, etc. You're not a sociopath. This is the exact sort of entitled, victim complex, bullshit that a sociopath would pull to justify turning into a serial killer.
@@mysteriiis
Maybe but this wouldn’t be that entitled.
Nothing entitled about being groomed and r@ped
Not to mention Sidney whould be facing a moral dillema, and Scream 2 whould be much different cuz Sidney whould probably still be thinking about her mothers actions plus the whole "my boyfriend and friend became killers and tried to kill my father and me".
I love the idea of adressing female predators, but this wasn't the right movie to do so
Yeah save that for the American documentary of why female teachers keep sleeping with their students 😆
Maureen needed to be a sympathetic character… having said that it woukd have made Nancy Loomis’s rage toward Sidney more believable in Scream 2
What??? Sidney's mom was banging her husband AND Sidney killed her son! Lol why wouldn't that be believable rage?! Lol
From what I understand, she was already batshit before she found out that her husband was cheating on her
Maureen didn't need to be a sympathetic character, only Sydney did
That's the major problem. No way in hell does this ending justify sequels.
@@mysteriiisI mean I would assume if this was the ending then the sequels would’ve been different
Makes more sense as why stu was involved rather than a peer pressure throw away line
I think Stu was a very empathetic person and peer pressure is a valid reason if he’s more of a follower and doesn’t have his own moral compass. Billy was probably manipulating him for years. Also that line was hilarious.
I think it’s great that they cut this motive in exchange for the affair, because really the whole point and theme of the franchise is the imitation of scary movies. It’s the joy of killing. Maureen as a groomer would almost have made it too deep and distracted from the whole conversation about life imitating art
Holy fuck. I know it wouldn’t have went over well with most audiences but this is DARK and I love it for the motive.
I actually like this idea a lot. It’s VERY dark and would’ve made this movie the darkest one of the whole bunch. And while I absolutely love the version we got, this would’ve really initiated a HUGE moral debate among fans.
It’s very much in the vain of the arguments people in the Death Note fandom have about Light’s escapades as Kira. People always wonder if what Light was doing was justified by killing criminals en masse. And yet, it’s so heavily debated because there’s one camp who feels he’s justified, and another who feel he isn’t.
I’ll die on the hill that Kira was a necessary evil and the world should’ve left him alone to remove the horrible people from it since there is no true justice anymore.
This version does make more sense for why Stu agreed to kill people. That always made little sense but as we know from real-life cases, one person can convince a weak minded person to do unthinkable things.
well he did jokingly say it was peer pressure that caused him to help Billy
Maureen was never sympathetic. The story always felt incomplete and like something was missing and like each movie was just a manifestation into the backstory of Maureen being a slut. That is why Sydney was sympathetic because she is not responsible for her mother. I loved the Scream 2.
Mickey
I'm only doing this because your mother was a slut.
Sydney
You've never met my mother
Mickey
Well I heard the stories!! And first hand!! Told you I had a partner Syd!!
Debbie Salt/Nancy Loomis enters the room.
It's become a punchline of a movie with a motive not making any sense.
To this day when something doesn't make sense or a plot is underdeveloped I say, "It's because your mother was a slut!"
I think it would have been an interesting turn, in that before "sympathetic villains" became a thing, after watching them brutally and methodically murder everyone like dogs, thematically, it would have added another layer of uncomfortability to the movie, as feeling a shred of sympathy for those we have seen commit such monstrous acts... is not a position most people would like to find thenselves in.
We dont want to have anything in common wuth such individuals, hence why we feel so much conviction in turning our backs on them when finding out they're the villains. However, how do you turn your backs completely on someone who went through that? Now, even if the door is cracked, it's open to the acceptance of that monstrosity, which adds to the horror, because it's no longer about what's wring with them... but about what's wrong with YOU.
In the same way Psycho cemented the asoect in horror that the killer is no longer limited to monsters, creatures of the deep of space visitors, but where the "monster" in question could be your friend, neighbor or even you. To realize that the horror is grounded in reality, something like this scene of have opened to perspective to how the "monster" not only could be you... it IS you.
Not terrible at all. In the end, it's true. Some become this way denying this could ever be them.
Now this is good writing.
I like the idea of discussing the grooming and r*ping of male victims because, usually, they’re offered high fives for “bedding” older hot women, and it shouldn’t be discussed in that way. BUT, I don’t like this premise because, if you remember, Roman was the mastermind for all of the murders since the beginning. I’m not sure how they would have tied him with this motive and that’s probably why the writers changed this. The motive they chose allowed space for sequels.
Scream 3 had a different writer. Probably why it is the weakest of the franchise.
I mean later on in ether this movie or one later on you find out that Sidney's mother Maurine Prescott was trying to become an actress and gets passed around to all sorts of different men and she has a child out of wedlock and moves back to the town the movie takes place in. This kind of feels like Maurine was being groomed so then she too grooms others not an excuse for bad behavior but if you are going dark and slasher i want a dark background you know what i mean.
Like everyone, I'm glad this was scrapped. As a survivor myself, I'm tired of the trope of "sexual violence makes you either stronger or a monster".
Yeah. All it does is make people look for victims in monsters who may/or may not have been victims to begin with.
As a survivor, I can’t agree with this one. It does change your life, never for the better. And it’s hardly ever acknowledged as horror when the victims are men.
@@Rawlamb59 I agree it's never acknowledged when men are victims and women aggressors, but if they'd gone with that backstory, making them killers wouldn't have be a good setting to talk about this issue. Murdering Maureen ok, it could've been explained that way, but not the others. Especially when Billy is shown as sexually frustrated towards Sydney... 😬😬😬
@@mael8881 I think you are not leaving any space for the gray area and assuming that all the audience would react the same way and process the information in a singular line of thought tho
@@Rawlamb59I am so sorry for what you endured. I am also a survivor. I admire you for your strength and resilience. It is a luminous ray of hope in this horribly corrupted world. I am wishing you only the best.
I kind of like that motive. It would make things more interesting and make you question who the bad guy really was. But I'm not sure Scream would be what it is if they didn't focus on the movie making motive
Listen, no disrespect.
They should've gone with this story because it makes more sense as to why Billy was soooo f**ked up mentally.
Yea, Billy did see his dad cheat on his mom, but with how Skeet portrayed that role, I knew it was something much deeper.
Tha well. 😅
Thank God this was cut, not only is it absolutely gross but it makes Billy and Stu WAY too sympathetic, they’re more victims here than Maureen.
i mean most victims do that to get reveng
It wouldn’t really make them much more sympathetic. They do go on and delight in murdering innocent people.
I mean nothing about going on a irreverent killing spree is sympathetic.
Personally, I don't think it would have matter either way, but I think leaving it out was fine.
It's not as disturbing and the abandonment motivation always seemed kinda lame to me, but it does kinda fit with the satire of the movie, like they don't really need a logical reason for why they're going on a killing spree, they just use any reason to justify their psychopathy.
So, I guess it all depends whether you want the movie to focus more on the satire or the horror.
Oh, shut up.
A lot of sympathy that Billy and Stu might get is sort of undone whey they go off book and start targeting people who had nothing to do with what happened to them.
Cotton was like 25 years old not 15😂😂
He was still younger and hot as Tatum said
@@tessacanterbury8935 you missed the point of what Paul was saying. 25 isn’t even close to 15 or being underaged, but Tatum said that just because Sidney’s mum was into a 25 YO, that she’s probably into little boys, too.
What Tatum said about Cotton in the original script:
“The guy was young and hot. Maybe she had a thing for little boys.”
Tatum is clearly implying that just cause Sidney’s mum was into 25 YO Cotton, that that somehow equates to her being into underage little boys - which is gross, cause being into 25 YOs doesn’t mean you’re into children 🤦🏻♀️
Nobody ever says this about all those old men who go after 21 year-old women.
Beyond the mask just dropped the best Halloween video this year. I didn’t know any of this
this was way better--I hate words like "problematic". because otherwise we're left with Stu's motive being turned into a joke, and despite how funny it is the movie is no comedy
That plot while darker would have been so much better. This is why censorship makes no sense. Shit that wasn't allowed even in the 90s is common place in lifetime made for tv movies. wtf
The original script makes more sense than the one in the final movie. You could tell both Billy and Stu are tormented by something or someone, but they hide their pain very well. In all honesty it was best they go for Maureen being a predator since around the time Scream was released Mary Kay Letourneou (or whatever how to spell her name) was going around hurting young boys. They should have addressed female predators. Something the average day life where we barely talk about women harming younger men and boys out there.
I agree, it gives the characters a strong motive to kill. Any person with common sense would understand the reasons of the characters without justifying them, it would be the story of victims becoming the bad guys, still I think it's difficult for a large part of an audience to grasp this without going to the extremes.
Probably because it's extremely rare.
@@vikingsong2068 I wish more stories took some risks on mainstream media, I have nothing against formulatic stories or archetypes of bad guys vs good guys but having at least one not too pc element once in a while doesn't hurt.
@vikingsong2068 It is still happening. There are still adult female teachers ab*sing young male students.
@@archangeljophiel2019 It is extremely rare.
I’m glad it was cut. It would have made stu and billy the victim revenges rather then psychopathic.
Oh the complexity that is Scream. Would’ve been more Greek tragedy with stuff they cut out, but that implied rape in Scream 3 gave a stronger sense to Maureen’s damaged character. That would’ve touched (no gross pun intended) a bit on the Texas Chainsaw Massacre side of horror.
Scream 3 is actually a pitch black dark story when you take away the silly and comedic elements.
I don’t really see how Maureen being a groomer would make it that much darker. It certainly wouldn’t give sympathy to Billy or to stu.
Exactly. Not more sympathy, but more understanding, particularly as to why Billy and Stu gravitated towards one another despite having smoking hot girlfriends. They were confused by women and girls, but understood one another. It also would go well with the theme of evil creating more evil. Maureen was a victim, then a predator and finally a victim of the predators she created.
Exactly this! I think people just aren’t willing to see or hear about this topic. They love the horror but say that SA (something that is very real and not talked enough) is way too much.
@@robertphillips213 great comment. I was on the side of glad it was left out and yours is the first comment to make me reconsider my opinion.
It's best that Maureen, being a groomer, was cut out of the final draft of Scream. Her extracurricular activities with Billy's dad (along with her tragic back story in Scream 3) is enough of a proper motivation for the ensuing chaos that unfolded over the original three films. Her being revealed as a groomer is just as bad as Laurie Strode causing the bus crash that allowed events of Halloween 2018 (and Kills) to take place; It makes Laurie no different than Michael Myers.
Wait how did Laurie cause the bus crash? I literally just watched this movie a week ago and if you watch carefully it actually shows that Michael’s shackles are loose as he’s walking out of the facility. No way Laurie did that as she was in the car the entire time, refuses to go inside the facility at all as explained with her interview with the journalists, and there’s no way the facility would allow Laurie to get close enough to touch Michael
@@natedog8281 Laurie freeing Michael is a fan theory that is mentioned in one of the Halloween videos by CZsWorld. If I remember right, he speculated on the scene where Laurie is waiting just outside of Smith's Grove as Michael is being transported. We just see Laurie screaming before the scene changes to the Nelson family dinner where Laurie arrives to have her breakdown. CZ speculates that her behavior is very suspect, more so the next day where she's not even fazed by the news reports of the bus crash, indicating that she may have caused it. While I find the theory intriguing, it really destroys Laurie as a sympathetic character as she would be directly responsible for ALL the deaths in 2018 and Kills. Why on Earth would I want to cheer for this scumbag who freed a murderous killer?
Making Sydney's mom a groomer completely recontextualizes the motives of Billy, Stu and to some degree Roman Bridger. It's one thing for Maureen to have issues with fidelity due to her tragic past in Holly-Weird, but screwing around with a couple of 15-16-year-old boys (one of which she's screwing their dad) is a Bridge too Far.
@@natedog8281 I forgot to mention in my answer, Laurie uses her Truck to causes the bus to crash.
@@TONYGILLEYThat's a dumb theory. Anyone that actually paid attention to Halloween 2018 knows that it was Michael's doctor that helped him escape. He wanted to study him in the world and try to find out what motivates Michael.🤷
@rickiesanders453 You don't have to convince me. It's a horribly stupid theory that most Post-Modernist "writers" use in abundance today when crafting their sh*t scripts; character assassination disguised as "subverting your expectations."
They should have left that in because Sid's mom having an affair with Billy's dad should not have sent the boy over the edge and into a killing spree. I could see if Sidney's mother Maurine was grooming and then raped both Billy and Stu o could understand and almost forgive it. Heck i would have liked that explanation better than the lame one given about Sid's mom having an affair with Billy's dad and getting ideas from watching too many horror films.
This was a different twist to billy and stu and it's crazy.
People can act all prudish all they want but that original plot would've been crazy. If they were to reboot it this should be the new motive
True!
I would have preferred this story. It would have at least made sense. Especially, if Sydney doesn't know what her mom was doing.
The your mother was a slut was and remains a walking joke.
This reminds me of the line from Desperate Housewives, "that was the moment Gabby realized that monsters are not born but they were created by other monsters"
Oh my gosh, Maureen did what to billy?!
Yup, if this was kept in the movie I doubt we whould be mourning Maureen....
and stu
This broke my heart.
No love for Stu? Why do you care that she did this to Billy but not Stu? Rude.
I know so many love Zack cherry, but beyond the mask provides the best scream content imo. I don’t feel like his own opinion is being forced down my throat, unlike Zack who thinks he is right about everything.
I like both,but I have to agree.
Why can’t you just appreciate someone without making a comparison & being negative toward someone else?? lol your comment about Zack Cherry was uncalled for tbh
@@Dayzus91stop being sensitive
I like both.
@@Dayzus91its no a comment its an observation. And a valid one.
This would have made the movie so much better & more interesting.
If Billy, Stu, and Maureen had been Billie, Stella, and Maurice, then the original ending wouldn't have been considered as problematic.
This would’ve changed the franchise as a whole and thank god they didn’t go this route.
I think it would've been good if they kept this in. Society today still doesn't understand that woman can be predators and men can be victims. Having this story/idea in the social consciousness could have helped make some progress by now.
I think it was good that was never in the final script, because Billy and Stu are supposed to be the villains of the story, not Maureen.
So if they went with Maureen being a groomer, suddenly Billy and Stu are looked at differently and Sidney would grow to have some disdain with her deceased mother, for not only being a groomer but her being responsible for all the murders afterwards.
So it was right that it was changed.
Once the original trilogy was complete Maureen was not portrayed in the most favorable light either.
yk what they say broken villains
In Scream 3 they did kind of make her the cause of all the problems.
@@ct6852 But that was also a part of the first Scream as well.
Because the story is about Maureen’s drama figuratively and literally haunting Sidney. That’s why the killers wear a ghost costume.
@@nu-metalfan2654 Oh interesting. Her ghosts haunting her. Never thought of it like that. Curious if that's why they landed on that costume. I know they went through a lot of masks before choosing that one.
i was groomed and sexually assaulted by my father when i was a child but i think this version would’ve made so much more sense and it honestly would’ve had such a bigger impact on the audience. grooming isn’t a topic that gets talked about enough, especially back when scream was filmed. it probably would’ve made more people aware of how damaging it is and how someone you love can be a groomer. i think that most of the people who are saying that it’s “too dark” don’t realize that it’s such a common thing and not talking about it doesn’t make it go away. scream is literally about people getting killed but somehow grooming is where they draw the line. i bet it would’ve made people think about the warning signs and it could’ve helped so many people. but people would rather keep quiet about it and act like it isn’t happening. also for the people who are saying that it wouldn’t have made sense or the audience would sympathize with billy and stu too much, in the nicest way possible i personally think that you’re just uncomfortable with the topic. the movies that come after the first one would make a lot more sense. billy’s mom would have more of a motive to go after sidney other than just “you killed my son so i’m going to kill you”. in the third movie they could’ve had roman killing because maureen abandoned him and because people raped her. but also he might have thought that her being raped lead to her raping boys and grooming them because some victims do end up becoming the abusers later in life. it’s not a high percentage but it does happen sometimes. maybe roman thought the people who raped her are responsible for what happened to billy and stu. and maybe sidney still doesn’t believe that her mom would have done that. it sucks but it’s not uncommon, my brother and sister don’t believe that our dad sexually assaulted me for years. roman could be frustrated because of this and decide that he should kill sidney. in the fourth one maybe jill was groomed by maureen as a kid. it wouldn’t be a huge surprise, it happens a lot with family members. maybe this makes jill want revenge on sidney because she’s seen as a hero but she still defends her mom. when jill reveals herself she could break down and tell sidney what happened and this might make sidney realize that her mom was a groomer because she actually cares about jill and seeing her have this emotional reaction when explaining could open sidney’s eyes. but jill thinks it’s too late so she continues on with her plan. sidney has to kill jill to protect herself and the people she loves but she finally comes to terms with the truth. this would also be a good way to move on from that motive since the last two movies take place so much later and since sidney isn’t the main character anymore. it also would’ve made the last two movies feel less repetitive. i’m not saying that’s exactly how it would’ve played out, it’s just my opinion. also it gives the killers more depth and the audience would feel more conflicted. the audience would’ve reacted differently because no one thinks the same way and i believe that this would’ve made more people talk about the movies and more people would show the movie to their friends or family so they could see their opinions on it and then even more people would be talking about it, causing the movies to become more popular. i’m not saying that i’m 100% right, this is just my personal opinion. i think it would’ve been more captivating and more interesting and not as many fans would’ve walked away from the franchise as it’s gotten more repetitive. i know it sounds like i hate the franchise but i actually love these movies and tbh i don’t mind things being reused because i know what to expect from these movies. i just think that it could’ve been even better if the original script wasn’t changed. anyway if someone is still reading this comment, thank you for wanting to know my thoughts and i apologize for the very long novel that i wrote 💀
@@BenjorunnerThey aren’t venting, they’re saying why this notice would have made the movie more different and change the plot. They just said how they related to this topic.
This is awesome honestly. I agree with you on so many levels.
As a survivor and a very loyal fan of the franchise, even if we didn’t get the original version, I’m glad that now I got to know this backstory, it makes me see my favorite ghostfaces in a new light and love them even more.
Yeah I don’t want to sympathize Billy or Stu
Personally, that’s one of the reasons why I love them as villains. I love how unhinged, goofy, yet unsympathetic they are.
@@lovestumacher agreed 👍🏻
You're looking at this with a 2023 point of view where EVERYTHING is problematic.
This was written in the early 90s.
Whilst this could've been a great twist, I'm glad it was cut and the film ended up the way it has.
As someone who was groomed as a teenager, I wish we would have got this version.
I'm sorry... Hope you're in a better place now ❤️
Same. But it was probably too ahead of its time.
Yeesh, that sounds so much better than what we got.
Last House on The Left: Had Rape
The Hills Have Eyes: Had Rape
A Nightmare on Elm Street: Had Rape
Scream: Was going to have rape
I’m sorry but something sinister was lurking inside of Abe Snake.
Elm street didn’t have rape in the Final Cut Freddy a child killer but never a pedo
@@nothingtoseehereofficer9634 nah it was very very very insinuated throughout the film that he touched the children. Children cannot consent. That is a form of rape. Good movie though but yeah Freddy def was on that timing 😂
@@ZURPHENno. I. The original is a child serial killer. In the remake he was a pedo. And Scream did have rape. They literally say Maureen was raped and murdered.
Scream does have Rape… they raped and murdered her mom… plus her mom was raped by Milton and his friends
@@ZURPHEN it’s suggested but it’s never shown like in Hills or Last House so I don’t think that really counts my guy
Yeah I’m glad this was changed, that is so problematic.
If you think about it scream 3 repurposed part of that motive to its story line so in theory the og plan did get adapted
To be honest, I'm actually glad they changed the motive as to why Billy and Stu killed Maureen Prescott in Scream.
I’m really glad they didn’t make Maureen Prescott a child groomer in the final draft because I actually feel bad that she was murdered. But if they decided to make her a groomer then I wouldn’t feel as bad.
Honestly, I’m glad the movie is the way it is in the final cut. I prefer it as a dark comedy poking fun at slasher movie tropes. This twist would’ve changed the tone of the film way too abruptly and it never would’ve been able to get that cheeky vibe back. I agree with some earlier comments that I think the topic of female predators should be discussed, this just wasn’t the film to do so. Billy and Stu didn’t need to be sympathetic villains.
Billy's motive was dumb
I had no sympathy for him
Sidney didn't do anything so that's why him going after Sidney was dumb in my opinion
He should have tried to search for his mother & got annoyed at his father not Sid
None of it would've happened if Maureen didn't cheat. She tore the Loomis's apart and ruined her own family cause she couldn't keep her legs shut. Maureen was evil and responsible for the whole thing.
@jamespope7669 Yeah, she forced poor Hank Loomis to have sex with her.
@@jamespope7669 None of it woukd have happened if BILLY'S FATHER DIDN'T CHEAT!
ACTUALLY this never would have happened if maureen wasnt saed at the studio, had roman and abandoned him
Technically all the motives are stupid. Nancy and Wayne's make the most sense but even then they are targeting the victims of their psycho offspring so...
That makes so much more sense and that is something that is overlooked in society.
I think they should have kept it.
It would have been much less impactful if the boys were groomed etc.. yes darker and damaging for Maureen…But the story presented was so much smoother
Honestly this would be important in this social climate
Yes! But people don’t like to get too uncomfortable, rigth?
@@Rawlamb59 the right type of outrage would at least be good for publicity 🤷🏻♀️
The whole 'abandonment' thing was kinda lame, but I've always thought that was the point - that the writers intended it to be lame to make the killers unsympathetic. I never knew about the whole 'grooming' thing until now. I'm glad it was cut, though.
I’m glad it was cut too. The movie would’ve been way too depressing otherwise
Interesting how it seems like many draw the line at grooming when this franchise is of the horror genre and there is killing everywhere
@@Rawlamb59 Yeah, but like @chae1557 said, the grooming thing would've made the movie too depressing, and that's probably one of the reasons why they cut it. They might've also been worried about public backlash because the world really looks down on that stuff.
A much better original story and motive
BILLY'S MOTIVE
WAS REVENGE
STU
WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE
SCAPEGOAT
MYSTERY SOLVED
This should have been in the final cut
Don’t diddle kids
That is super dark. But the motive we got is easier to make a franchise around. This one makes Maureen despicable and Sidney doesn't come off too well either.
Eran Kruger rewrote Scream 3 not 4!
I think the way they did it was much better I don’t think they needed a true justification for their actions just Billy’s delusions and peer pressure is enough. I also think that making them evil serial killers with a motive like that would be bad for people with similar experiences and there are better ways to cover topics like that in film, not making them the bad guys in a campy slasher film.
This is super interesting but I feel like it’d take away from the comedy of the movie. It’d be neat to see seriously explored in another movie though, it’s basically a rape revenge story but told in a less upfront way.
I wish they kept the original motive cuz then billy n stues motives make Moore sense.
That’s because you’re not a psychopath like most murderers tend to be.
I’ve read cases where there are people who killed for the same reasons Stu did in the movie, or just for the sake of being angry at their victim over something really petty and thinking they’re entitled to murder them over it.
I'm glad this was changed for the final cut of the movie. It would've ruined not only Maureen as a complicated, but tragic figure, but also made Sydney look like she was an enabler who looked the other way while her mother groomed boys her age. It would've also made it harder for Sydney and Gail to help everyone see Billy and Stu for the monsters that they were.
One story going around, is that Craven wanted to do Maureen being a sexual predator on the film was because Harvey Weinstien was a producer on the film.
love the scream we got but i can’t deny the motive for the original script would make an interesting movie too
The original idea would be better, imho.
Bro they should have kept the original motive. I know people hate dark sense of humor but this is a horror movie and that would have been an incredible motive.
This sexually-based idea of them deciding to seek revenge & kill her (then target her family) may have worked in a different time- but in a post-modern, meta/too self-aware, highly-desensitized, oversexualized 90’s high school teenagers type of Era (it wouldn’t have made much sense & would NOT have been that believable!) 🤷♀️ And would not have served the overall story & plot. It would have left way too many holes & un-answered questions….. and would have distracted from the overall BIGGER story & main character-arch of Sydney becoming the SURVIVOR. The enduring fighter. And the Bad-ass Final Girl who she was destined to become. The main problem with “motives” in general is that they either need to reflect the current times or harken back to the most BASIC, historically accurate kind of motives that psychologically, emotionally & universally make the most sense to the viewer! I think Some of the GREATEST storytellers & horror directors like Hitchcock, John Carpenter, Wes Craven understood this!!!!!!!! And knew they needed to stick to that formula for this film to be the success that it was. 💯 Billy’s BASIC story of “abandonment” by his mother & the facts that led up to her leaving makes much more sense as a Revenge motive- as he explains in the film that the Trauma of abandonment (especially by a paternal Mother) causes serious psychological effects on a boy & fucked him up- namely in his case: a lack of empathy/sympathy, emotional maturity, a deep-rooted fear & hatred for ALL women who act like they care (especially those he perceives as “Sluts” just like Maureen who destroyed his family). Stu’s motive is just as clear & easy to comprehend & fits with the times of a young dumb kid being Peer-pressured into it in order to feel “cool” or Popular. With thrillers, slasher films in general or “who-dun-it’s” the MOTIVE is one of the most integral parts- it ties up all the loose ends. And gives some sort of ending resolution!! Unlike REAL Life……… where nowadays- Motives are incidental. 😱
Not bad at all.
I disagree with everything you said. It would’ve been way more believable. I actually always inferred this motive from the movies though it wasn’t outright said.
Would it? There's already those that are stuck on their past even though it does not matter anymore and you'd want that?
Scream was originally called scary movie?!? That’s hilarious
Wait…Maureen did what?
Manipulated/raped two highschool aged boys, maybe more and they killed her for it, in this version (she still could have slept with Billy's father)
This is crazy
Did you mean Scream 3 when talking about the next script you're going over?
Yeah I hope so....
Still love how the piss take version took the original name of Scary Movie
Love this video, can’t wait for the scream 4 OG script video too!
Except Eran rewrote Scream 3 not 4.....so.....
I CANNOT WAIT until Scream 7.
Hey the site doesn’t work is there Another place to read it?
If this was the ending we got in the cinema, I think I would had loved this film even more. There was a stronger motive with the killers intimately rather than "your mother destroyed my family" & Stu was just a follower in Billy's mayham. Wow!!! I am in shocked with this ending that thus ending wasn't used.
But the motive that was pretty much set up from the beginning was that some psycho teens loved horror movies and wanted to make their own.
@@ct6852that wasn’t the motive in the beginning, the motive was killing Maureen and her family because she slept with Billy’s dad and ruined his life. And Stu was just along for the ride because he liked the thrill. Now the motive in the next couple of movies is psycho teens wanting to recreate the stab movies, but you have to remember the stab movies weren’t introduced until the second movie because they were based off of what happened to Sydney, can’t make a movie if it hasn’t happened yet so the first movie had to have a different motive.
6:30 And instead of having Billy and Stu kill innocents Zombie would have done his usual thinking that making everyone around the killers worse makes them anti heroes.
WOW! I didnt know this! Honestly they should have kept this!! Honestly the way Billy and Stu went WAY TOO FAR and Stu really didnt have a motive other than... Peer pressure? Attention?? It was too much for it to just be over an affair..Then again people do kill for stuff like that all the time...But Billy was EXTREMELY fucked up and DARK...This would have made more sense... INCLUDING Maureen sleeping with his dad...😲
I am 100000000000% behind Stu coming back. I would see it I’m theatres 10 times if they brought Stu back.
Great point with the Rob Zombie “adaptation”
It was better how it was made. I feel like it was too darker with this original script.
We need a thriller strictly about Maureen Prescott. Jusr to clear up loose ends. Maureen had an intriguing life. Call Neve Campbell, get her people on the phone, and have the conversation 😂😂😂 Seriously!
That would have been an interesting choice.
Either way Maureen actually was evil.
Between this and Williamson's teacher / student plot line in Dawson's Creek, it makes me wonder 🤔
Would have loved to have seen this version had they gone with it.
While I think it was for the best it wasn’t in the final script, however it’s this story side of Scream why I love Scream. Not the meta self referencing pop culture stuff. And I think that these Radio Silence Scream movies don’t have a strong enough story or characters to them.
I don't know why people are so set on not making Maureen a villain in order to not take the "villainy" away from the guys. You can be a victim and a villain, in fact that's what happens to so many actual criminals. A lot of them have been victims first.
It doesn't excuse or justify becoming a murderer, however.
Would have loved for that level of complexity and realism. But it's not like Scream was so subtle in it's satirical statements, so I might have not fit in the end.
I think the ending that they ended up with seems probable. When Billy says “Your slut mother was fucking my father and she’s the reason my mom left and abandoned me.”. If this happed when Billy was younger it isn’t too hard to believe that going into adulthood he would still be bitter for the broken home he grew up in.
Should of went with this script. Makes more sense given how women predators were starting to become a thing. The boys going crazy because she slept around and broke up a marriage was lazy writing and a cop out.
Scream if it came out in the 80s
I can't access the original script due to IP rights. Could upload it to a file hosting client such as Mediafire?
What's sad/scary is they'd likely go with this exact "spin" if they were to remake/reimagine Scream today.
If they were girls and she was a man it would be perfect. Other way around would ruin the men are all peeves and women are all victims narrative.
Not if Kevin Williamson or Wes Craven had anything to do with it.
@@kelleyk28 Well... sadly Wes can't. Kevin of course if he chooses. And I'm just speaking in general.
@@RobertCliff-ml9oh Yeah, I know. I love Williamson and he still makes great movies, but I miss Wes doing Scream with him. They worked great together and Wes is definitely missed. The last 2 were very good, though Williamson didn't write those, he did produce them, so his influence was there, but I bet they would have been even better with Wes involved.
@@kelleyk28what happened to Wes?
Interesting, I always felt the story lacked something, this was it.
You think that's interesting what I find more interesting is that just a couple years later a parody of Scream called scary movie was released, and it was even better that it was a Wayans brothers comedy.
Good they didn't. Billy and Stu were flat out wrong and that was shown as clear as day. Murdering Maureen didn't bring Billy's family back together and it just led to his death at Sidney's hand. Plus the whole spree was for fun and Stu did all of it for enjoyment. This motivation would have done too much and made too many think Billy and Stu were right. Besides, killing Maureen wouldn't have undone what she did to them.
Stu Macher is alive.
I'll die under that TV.
This could have sucked.. I prefer the official explanation
Part of me thinks element like that would over complicate this movie. Which was already complex (In a good way).
But I respect writer for portraying such horrible thing as a negative light and not in “those “lucky” boys lost their virginity so early!”. Which a lot of media does. Even to this day (Perosna 5 and “romancing” nurse and teacher for example).