I posted above that it irritates me how snobby and @n@l retentive our species (especially scientists) are with DEFINING things. Instead of being obsessed with EXACT DEFINITIONS of things we should just see what is there and just accept that things are what they are. Scientists still have not agreed on whether VIRUSES are technically life or not.
@@EventHorizonShow and it shouldn't be. That's why I think the Drake Equation and the Kardashev scales are... well, trash. They imply life like ours, and even cultures like ours. That's nuts.
One thing I MOST respect about this guest is that he ADMITTED that he had no one specific DEFINITION for life. We as humans are too obsessed with DEFINING things and we get very @n@l retentive about it and reject anything that does not perfectly fit how we have decided to "define" something. In the real world things just ARE THE WAY THEY ARE and the universe does not give a d@mn how we choose to "define" something.
Great point about Europa's known old age making it a good candidate for life when combined with the factors that we always talk about. I had never heard this point before!
Oh my god this is the topic I wished for so so so so so much!!! I just love astro chemistry I just pure bliss for me!! Thanks so much for bringing us so great talks so consistently ❤
Lol JMG i do love that you’re so open about your microbial universe biases. I definitely agree with you, and believe it makes perfect sense. I hope that within my lifetime we’re able to take microscopic pictures of both Mars and Venus and hopefully find life on one of the two. It’d be even cooler if we found life on Titan tho, both literally and figuratively.
What a delightful interview with Janusz Petkowski! It is interesting to consider phosphorus as possibly an element that isn't needed for life but rather might be a secondary element life might adapt to. Also, great question by JMG regarding arsenic based life!
I love the title of this episode, but an even better title for a future episode would be to contemplate if all variations or potentialities for life require water as a firm condition to live or BE alive...
Actually, it seems to me that there is a basic principle that would make it much easier to theorize about potential environments that life can exist. The only difference between microscopic life and multicellular life is just the fact that there are fewer organic processes going on inside microscopic life so therefore there is far less of a likelihood that there would be anything about a particular environment that would make it impossible for microscopic life to exist. That being said, microscopic and multicellular life are fundamentally the same and therefore the only thing needed to allow for multicellular life to exist in any environment where microscopic life can exist is specific adaptation to that environment. So it just makes sense to assume that you could find advanced multicellular life in any environment that microscopic life can exist, and buildup a library of possible life supporting environments based upon environments that microscopic life can exist alone with the assumption of the possibility of more advanced life.
As a living being myself, standing outside in 30 degrees Fahrenheit… I just can’t imagine life existing on Titan. I understand it would have to be very different, but even so, I just can’t fathom it.
Janusz mówisz ciekawie ale most striking thing dla mnie jako Polaka to jak niepolski masz akcent. Dziwne jak bardzo nie mogę get over it ;) Impressive. No hard feelings, regards :)
Thank God it’s Thursday. Look forward to this all week. You’re not as prolific anymore on jmg! Me no like! No personal life for you John, I need intellectual stimulation. JK! Love everything you do brother
Before I even start the video I have to try. "Janusz Petkowski" Ya-nus Pet-kow-ski Lets see if I was right.. EDIT: Yup, I was. Actually shocked I got that right.
There are already fish that have been found living in pools of hydrochloric acid on earth so I'm not sure why there would still be questions about whether or not life could exist in such environments.
It would be arrogant to think not. I’m positive there could be life out there that consider water a very common resource and not necessarily valuable because of their distinct biology. Maybe they’ve got bodies made from stuff that takes billions of years of evolution or fabrication that no longer needs water and can utilize other source of matter that’s more efficient; much like car needing gas or electricity.
You know the frozen block of pee and poo that the passenger airplanes contain? Well, a starship's block would probably be dehydrated (water reclamation), and super dense (compressed for storage). But... eventually, it would build up to the point that they'd have to shoot it off into space... billions of years ago, and accidentally on a collision course with our solar system. What if THAT'S what seeded life on Earth? Panspooia, IOW.
That's very funny! 😂 but I imagine on a starship, on a long voyage, ideally you would need to recycle everything. Poo is actually a valuable source of organic matter and nutrients for your food, it's your fertiliser and compost! You need to imitate earth's ecosystem, including bacterias and other decomposers. To recycle all that. If you throw away into space that matter, you will need to mine those elements elsewhere. Everything has value in space, even poo! 😂
Probably can't realistically stop the intrinsic brightening. You're gonna need a method of lifting helium from the core of a star for that. What you can do is buy time with star shade, but that is a stop gap. The sun will win in the end.
@@JohnMichaelGodier I'm talking about starlifting, siphoning matter off of the sun to reduce its size. Filter out anything other than hydrogen, and dump the hydrogen back in. I'd be very surprised if we didn't do this; and given human greed, I think it's more likely that, in the future, we'd have to worry about too faint a sun, not a too bright one.
Sulphuric acid reservoirs makes me wonder where the green belts for each example planet and moon would be for life to be happy If Venus and Io could be moved to a place where surface pooling of whatever liquids could occur, where should they go in terms of orbit?
And the question of what for us are industrial chemicals that tend to be horrible and toxic.. what happens then with volcanism and continental/crust plate tectonics etc creating voids or tubes, cave systems and fissures that are otherwise geologically stable. They could produce biomes ripe for biologically stable niches to develop, also with the question of the possibility of stable biochemistry in a particular cloud layer given specific pressure and temperature.. isn't that the same question as oceans? Like deep ocean salt pools, do deep ocean acid pools also form without mixing with the other liquids of a given ocean. Whatever lives and dies above drops potentially useful byproducts into those pools where otherwise food might be too scarce
I can never figure out why the Indian accent replaces Rs with “rolling” Rs. If I can do an impression of an Indian accent by replacing Rs with rolling Rs, I don’t understand why they cannot seem to be able to do the reverse. Can anyone explain this?
Great point about not needing to define life when you are looking for it. Find some anomalies and work from there!
It’s quite the unique perspective.
I posted above that it irritates me how snobby and @n@l retentive our species (especially scientists) are with DEFINING things. Instead of being obsessed with EXACT DEFINITIONS of things we should just see what is there and just accept that things are what they are. Scientists still have not agreed on whether VIRUSES are technically life or not.
@@EventHorizonShow and it shouldn't be. That's why I think the Drake Equation and the Kardashev scales are... well, trash. They imply life like ours, and even cultures like ours. That's nuts.
Life is like porn. It is hard to define, but easy to know when you see it. A supreme court dude said that not verbatim
Generative phosphorus biochemistry is an acquired taste, a fluke of nature by nature so to say
One thing I MOST respect about this guest is that he ADMITTED that he had no one specific DEFINITION for life. We as humans are too obsessed with DEFINING things and we get very @n@l retentive about it and reject anything that does not perfectly fit how we have decided to "define" something. In the real world things just ARE THE WAY THEY ARE and the universe does not give a d@mn how we choose to "define" something.
As a long time Polish JMG fan I am so happy to hear Dr Pętkowski featured on this show
Janusz is a good friend of the show.
Great point about Europa's known old age making it a good candidate for life when combined with the factors that we always talk about. I had never heard this point before!
This video was a spectrum of slamdunks! Thank you!
Oh my god this is the topic I wished for so so so so so much!!! I just love astro chemistry I just pure bliss for me!! Thanks so much for bringing us so great talks so consistently ❤
Lol JMG i do love that you’re so open about your microbial universe biases. I definitely agree with you, and believe it makes perfect sense. I hope that within my lifetime we’re able to take microscopic pictures of both Mars and Venus and hopefully find life on one of the two. It’d be even cooler if we found life on Titan tho, both literally and figuratively.
32:30 "Life is a planetary phenomena.."
The nomadic Space Whales of the Omega Centauri cluster would like to have a word!
😅
Great episode, as always!
Purrgils. Their name is Purrgils.
Fantastic subject indeed! Thanks a bunch for the interview, John!!! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Woo hoo! Event horizon! Thank you for doing what you do! 😊🌎❤️🕺🏻🐶🚀
I love Event Horizon. Just love it. Nothing comes near.
Nothing better than watching Event Horizon and having some coffee in my Event Horizon mug! Thanks for the episode!
What a delightful interview with Janusz Petkowski! It is interesting to consider phosphorus as possibly an element that isn't needed for life but rather might be a secondary element life might adapt to. Also, great question by JMG regarding arsenic based life!
very cool thanks for the episode.
Excellent episode 🦠
What a fascinating interview!
Great video and information !
You’re an inspiration with these keep it up 👍🏼
That was the first time I've heard John burst with laughter. Made my day, it's definitely on a slum dunk spectrum now :D
Spectrum of slam dunk 😁
Fascinating stuff and the Polish accent at its finest lol
Many years ago, I remember Asimov and Sagan explore back then the chemistry of life and absence of water, carbon or nitrogen.
Interesting video. 👌
Awww yeah I was just thinking about this topic the other day!
38:53 I’ve never heard JMG laughing this hard, and I see why🤣
I love the title of this episode, but an even better title for a future episode would be to contemplate if all variations or potentialities for life require water as a firm condition to live or BE alive...
That’s the case with life on Earth.
This will have my brain working in overload mode.
This is good stuff.. I suddenly don't feel so far out in my thoughts.. Life is here.. and we have a duty to spread it among the universe.. T.LaMore
No we really don’t
Wow, John, that was deep (future of earth). I'm crying now.
Actually, it seems to me that there is a basic principle that would make it much easier to theorize about potential environments that life can exist. The only difference between microscopic life and multicellular life is just the fact that there are fewer organic processes going on inside microscopic life so therefore there is far less of a likelihood that there would be anything about a particular environment that would make it impossible for microscopic life to exist. That being said, microscopic and multicellular life are fundamentally the same and therefore the only thing needed to allow for multicellular life to exist in any environment where microscopic life can exist is specific adaptation to that environment. So it just makes sense to assume that you could find advanced multicellular life in any environment that microscopic life can exist, and buildup a library of possible life supporting environments based upon environments that microscopic life can exist alone with the assumption of the possibility of more advanced life.
"You'll know it when you see it!" would make a good t-shirt slogan 😂😊
As a living being myself, standing outside in 30 degrees Fahrenheit… I just can’t imagine life existing on Titan. I understand it would have to be very different, but even so, I just can’t fathom it.
We found life right down the bottom of the ocean under extreme pressures & using underwater volcanos as energy sources.
There’s other sources of heat other than the sun.
With water being so common, it seems like the accelerated path. It would be interesting to be proven wrong.
interesting as usual
The answer is YES
The song by TIffany "I think were alone now" comes to mind.
Janusz mówisz ciekawie ale most striking thing dla mnie jako Polaka to jak niepolski masz akcent. Dziwne jak bardzo nie mogę get over it ;) Impressive. No hard feelings, regards :)
Thank God it’s Thursday. Look forward to this all week.
You’re not as prolific anymore on jmg!
Me no like! No personal life for you John, I need intellectual stimulation.
JK! Love everything you do brother
Fantastic - what abut the effect of low temperature on the ability of these building blocks to arrange and mix?
Rrrright on.
Water is very common throughout the Milky Way. I can’t imagine life without water.
Before I even start the video I have to try. "Janusz Petkowski"
Ya-nus Pet-kow-ski
Lets see if I was right..
EDIT:
Yup, I was. Actually shocked I got that right.
Starts 0:56
I keep coming back for the laugh. John, I would be honored to have a smoke with you one day
In lab the top 4 solvents are 1 water 2 alcohol 3 acetone 4 glycerin
Thanks for another thought-provoking episode!
We gonna get any more sentient opossum lore? 😁
Oh yes.
There are already fish that have been found living in pools of hydrochloric acid on earth so I'm not sure why there would still be questions about whether or not life could exist in such environments.
Ammonia and hydrogen florine version of jmg is water based life possible
24:42 still possible
What's the name of the outro song? Banger🔥
It would be arrogant to think not. I’m positive there could be life out there that consider water a very common resource and not necessarily valuable because of their distinct biology.
Maybe they’ve got bodies made from stuff that takes billions of years of evolution or fabrication that no longer needs water and can utilize other source of matter that’s more efficient; much like car needing gas or electricity.
You know the frozen block of pee and poo that the passenger airplanes contain? Well, a starship's block would probably be dehydrated (water reclamation), and super dense (compressed for storage). But... eventually, it would build up to the point that they'd have to shoot it off into space... billions of years ago, and accidentally on a collision course with our solar system. What if THAT'S what seeded life on Earth? Panspooia, IOW.
😂😂😂 evolving from a sh*t farm. 😂😂😂
That's very funny! 😂 but I imagine on a starship, on a long voyage, ideally you would need to recycle everything. Poo is actually a valuable source of organic matter and nutrients for your food, it's your fertiliser and compost! You need to imitate earth's ecosystem, including bacterias and other decomposers. To recycle all that. If you throw away into space that matter, you will need to mine those elements elsewhere.
Everything has value in space, even poo! 😂
So ammonia amd formamide can be basis of biochemistry if abundant on a world? Titan have either?
Why are you NOT on Nebula?
Most likely reason: Politics [to agree, or to not agree: about Israel vs Palestine]
David Grusch will tell us.
Good video up to @53:15. You do realize that we can stop the sun's increasing luminosity, right?
Probably can't realistically stop the intrinsic brightening. You're gonna need a method of lifting helium from the core of a star for that. What you can do is buy time with star shade, but that is a stop gap. The sun will win in the end.
@@JohnMichaelGodier I'm talking about starlifting, siphoning matter off of the sun to reduce its size. Filter out anything other than hydrogen, and dump the hydrogen back in. I'd be very surprised if we didn't do this; and given human greed, I think it's more likely that, in the future, we'd have to worry about too faint a sun, not a too bright one.
Last time i came this late my wife was happy
I can’t wait until we get to titan. And europa.
What up creatures of the night?!?!
When being pressed to define life, and saying "You will know it when you see it", it becomes similar to language people of faith use
Not really. A religious person would claim to know.
@@edwardbeksinski5810 yes really. The word similar is inherently flexible, within reason. Lol
Miss water morning in the morning
16:33 What am I missing here? Alien language?
Sulphuric acid reservoirs makes me wonder where the green belts for each example planet and moon would be for life to be happy
If Venus and Io could be moved to a place where surface pooling of whatever liquids could occur, where should they go in terms of orbit?
And the question of what for us are industrial chemicals that tend to be horrible and toxic.. what happens then with volcanism and continental/crust plate tectonics etc creating voids or tubes, cave systems and fissures that are otherwise geologically stable. They could produce biomes ripe for biologically stable niches to develop, also with the question of the possibility of stable biochemistry in a particular cloud layer given specific pressure and temperature.. isn't that the same question as oceans? Like deep ocean salt pools, do deep ocean acid pools also form without mixing with the other liquids of a given ocean. Whatever lives and dies above drops potentially useful byproducts into those pools where otherwise food might be too scarce
Maybe alien life is plasma or gas..
Looking at our solar system it seems like planets and moons are like snowflakes and none of them are the same.
That said, life is like snow. It will spit out any random flake it can manage. Some melt sooner than others.
Life is water so no
*Life is water on Earth
I can never figure out why the Indian accent replaces Rs with “rolling” Rs. If I can do an impression of an Indian accent by replacing Rs with rolling Rs, I don’t understand why they cannot seem to be able to do the reverse. Can anyone explain this?
👽👽👽👽👽💥
Your thleekith were so preoccupied with whether they thleek, they didn’t ghli to thlick if they hethleethik.
1st in. Nice
methenogens
Great, another unintelligible scientist. 🙄
Why not don't you understand what they're saying
That has to be the singularly dumbest question ever on the internet since Day 1