Signs For a Strange Type of Life on Venus with Dr. Janusz Petkowski
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- On July 17, 2024, The Guardian, reported that two research teams have re-detected phosphine in Venus' atmosphere and tentatively found ammonia, a compound also produced by living microbes on Earth, sparking significant intrigue among scientists. Although no papers have been published yet, the researchers presented their preliminary findings at the National Astronomy Meeting in Hull, U.K.
Dr. Janusz Petkowski joins John Michael Goodier to discuss The Type of Life That May Call Venus Home....
Does phosphine on Venus mean … life?
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What I find most refreshing in John Godier’s interviews is that he lets his guests speak at length. So many interviewers in the msm take over the interview, spending minutes posing their agenda as questions. Here, the guest is the star and one can learn something.
You get it. John does a great job of creating the classroom experience for the listener. - Ross
Thank you, and yes, it's very intentional. It's a lot like being a student in the lecture hall asking the professor questions and the audience are the other students. We all want to hear the complete answer before moving on to the next question for maximum information.
I always asked the questions in class, other students wanted to ask but couldn't articulate. @@JohnMichaelGodier
Even if I knew the answers
@@dannybrown5744lol it's not hard to articulate a question. You were probably the only one that didn't know. Bragging about asking good questions when you were in school is just dumb. Which makes me think you were just struggling to understand basics
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what's discouraging is that it's so difficult to make a confirmation of a bio signature from the planet next door-- an interstellar signal will always be contested
That's why they plan on sending a probe.
Amen@@EventHorizonShow
Yes, Venus is about a million times closer than any exoplanet.
Frustrating, yes (I share your annoyance) but for a good reason.
A false detection getting big press could set back the public opinion of the endeavour.
Don’t say “I’m sure” until you’re really sure, and all that.
Better to report a false negative than have to retract a false positive
How does the astronomer keep his pants up? With an asteroid belt.
Love it...anyone who doesn't, is by definition...an a$$hole I think...I could be wrong.
@@Jackson09you bet Uranus you are...
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Yay! A new Event Horizon episode! And one of my favorite topics, too.
Venutian cloud dragons letsgoooooooo
I'm king of Venus Dragon IA
A life form that has concentrated acid for blood. Hmmm,... This wont end well methinks.
Hortas are actually really friendly - just don't smash their eggs.
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Scientists being scecptic and critical is good. Scientists being dogmatic and refusing to accept data that doesn't fot your paradigm is annoying to say the least.
And deserving of public flogging! 🤬
I have a weird feeling the whole scientific and academic system bouta get Galileo’d and I am all here for it.
Sick to death of people treating the Scientific Method as some kind of Faith. It is not, never was and never will be. It is supposed to thrive on being consistently and productively *wrong,* it’s not supposed to prop up eternal edifices of theory for technocrats and their direct descendants to live upon hand and foot.
You could almost call it a priesthood.
For sure, the universe is never wrong, it just is, it's the data and understanding of it that is the problem.
Dafuq do scecptic or fot mean?
a lot of scientists (archeologists especially) see their work as their career, and if something pokes holes or uproots it they take it as a personal attack
"Life is extremely fragile chemistry that has found a way to copy itself and continue to exist"
-Lee Cronin
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@@RavenTD46 You did fall in! You just did not experience it!
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Thanks for the video! Excited for this conversation.
Hope you like it!
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.. a day with a new JMG video is always a great day 😊
Enjoy!
Chemistry in a high-energy system like Venus' atmosphere has to be a wee bit weird. I'm not calling life yet.
@@armchairgravy8224 I’m highly skeptical myself.
Pressure, in addition to the heat in the system, also drastically affects chemistry. Reactions that were not naturally possible in our atmosphere might be possible on Venus, and some others that do happen here might be impossible there too.
@@abrahamroloff8671 Until it’s proven to exist this is all speculation.
@@rolandthethompsongunner64pressure having the sort of effects I described is not speculation. Chemistry really does behave differently under different pressures. This has been demonstrated in countless lab experiments for many decades.
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 No, the detection isn't speculation. It's a detection. Actually two independent ones of the same thing. It's also not speculation that biology can produce phosphene, it's doing it on earth, and ammonia, well change a cat litter box to see that. What is speculation is that it may be due to life at Venus, but that is where you start in looking for something. Could it be weird high pressure chemistry we don't understand? Sure. So go there and find out what it is. That's all that was here.
Very interesting. Perhaps the well knows sci-fi of aliens having concentrated acid for blood is more realistic than we realise.
Sure. At crushing pressures and at 860 degrees. 😂
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 you didn’t listen to the video. The sulphuric acid is in the clouds which are high up in the atmosphere where the temperatures and pressures are very close to Earth’s.
@@nathanlewis42 So what’s your point? There’s life in sulphuric acid clouds in Venus’s atmosphere?☝️😂
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 Yes... that's exactly their point lol. It has been determined already that it's not theoretically impossible for life to survive in Venus' atmosphere, we just haven't confirmed if it's actually there or not.
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 the point is that what you said about 860 degrees and crushing pressures doesn't apply. Life *might* be possible in the clouds.
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We need to give Venus more attention! Thanks for the episode!
Great interview overall. Sometimes JMG needs to tone down the excitement at the start. His first question mentioned something along the lines of “why the phosphene can’t be inorganic” to Dr. Petkowski, and the professor spent seemingly the next 20 minutes talking about how open and unsettled the phosphene discussion is
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I got an idea, has anyone tried replicating the conditions at this height in the Venusian atmosphere that life might live, and just shoved a load of promising bacteria into it, and seen if that bacteria can survive, evolve thrive, die out whatever. Like we know the conditions, we have life, why not mix them up in a lab and see what happens?
Hard to simulate an atmosphere, for such an experiment, when we aren't even sure what it's all made of. Best case scenario you're getting an inconclusive result, and it's hard to get funding when your best case is *shrug* and a "maybe".
@@abrahamroloff8671 I thought we were pretty confident on the major constituents of the atmosphere from the satellites and spacecraft that have visited. What level of unkown is there in the composition of the gases at altitudes where the pressure is 1atm? What level of funding do you expect such an experiment to take? I imagine it would be incredibly cheap, that's why I suggested it.
@@abrahamroloff8671 Are you just a bot? because yeah like I thought, the gaseous compisiton is well known:
96% carbon dioxide, 3% nitrogen and 1% other gases. These other gases are mainly sulfur dioxide, carbon monoxide, water vapor, helium, argon and neon, according to NASA
That sounds like an incredibly cheap atmosphere to put together and place in a few jars with some bacteria.
The wonderful thing about sound scientific method is that we win, we advance whatever we ultimately discover to be the mystery gas source. The important thing is to keep backing the research and platforms needed to further that aim. The more we know, the better we adapt, survive to evolve.
Balloon probe mission, when?
Fantastic interview, John! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
This was another brilliant show. JMG puts the BBC and TV channels to shame with the content he has.
I always wonder if the Soviet Probe seeded life there
Excellent question well worth pondering. However, if that were true there should be some obvious signs we could detect.
Trillions of microbic comrades!
Gonna have to watch Dr Strangelove now
Excellent discussion!
Great video and information !
Great interview
I find Venus to be the most exciting prospect for research currently in our solar system. I love Mars and it should be studied in detail..but let's really dig into Venus, it's close and has so many interesting aspects. Along with Io and all those ice moons(but are so far from us).
I know its wishful and fanciful thinking..but just imagine one probe sitting in the upper or lower atmosphere of Venus actually finds Something. Something unexplainable, different and beyond our current understanding.
Something that is making gases and isn't just chemistry we don't understand. How mindblowing would it be to find organic anything this close to us..right on our solar door step!
Protomolecule on Venus? 😮
I want Venus to be inhabited by millions of Koffing Pokemon.
Excellent episode! To me, it is confusing that we aren't attempting to send more probes to Venus. Such an interesting planet.
This will be tonight's good night program but right now it's time for dinner and Tim Dodd's tour of Blue Origin. Hopefully Jeff can launch a probe to Venus with New Glenn.
Rocket lab.
@@EventHorizonShow Yes, they have plans but that is a small probe. I want a large probe with an orbiter, lander and a balloon! 🙂
You might get your wish...
I know it mostly falls into the rhelm of speculation - but do we have any guesses about the tonnage of bio-mass needed to generate replenish the phosphine gas in the Venusian atmosphere?
I saw an interview with Peter Beck, founder of RocketLab, where he says that Venus is worth the effort because its upper atmosphere is more habitable than the surface of Mars.
I’m ready to go Venus with my venus’s since 2008ish.
Life finds a way...
... or rather chemistry finds a way that happens to be life-like.
I also believe that simple life is quite common throughout the Universe, but that the actual "Origin" of the first organism( may vary depending on the local chemistry and so on) on Different planets share the same kind of origin, but it's not "God", and it's Not just a coincidence based on luck and time but something else all together. I personally believe that Consciousness itself is what creates these first organisms, just like how many experiments have shown that a focused human mind(Consciousness) are able to affect the outcome of "Random number generators" to a great degree, and when they are many the effects is even stronger. So before Consciousness was divided into all these myriads of life forms on Earth it may have been able to do things such as piecing together the first primitive life(simplified). It's the most logical explanation that i can come up with right now. 🙂
I'd love for this guy and his team to link up with the assembly theory woman, because at the end he's saying, as soon as natural selection started, is the start of life, and that aligns with what she was saying.
I wonder if the ammonia and/or oxygen might actually be coming off the probes as the atmosphere of Venus reacts with materials on board
Can't wait to enjoy my 4 day long suntan sessions on the free floating resorts of Venus
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I wish we could find definitive proof of at least microbial life like tomorrow. I'm kind of sick of the wait and patience isn't my strength. 😂
Why is it called phosphine and not phosphane?
I take it you've never heard/taken seriously Emmanuel Velekofsky. Well join Carl Sagan I suppose. But EV predicted many things about Venus years before we found out, ie climate,heat, surface characteristics and many more. Also how many ancient civilizations who kept impeccable star charts except seemingly the position of Venus. Just saying 😉
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Ammonia.= Nappies = life .
Is it possible that earth probes carried life to Venus & it flourished in the atmosphere?
4 years and we find out about it only now? What discoveries are now that we will fimd about much latter? A bit.....
Once we find e.t. life, how's that gonna protect the human race from extinction level event from a comet or asteroid? Imo, 80% of $ spent on space-related science should be spent on keeping us all alive!
There needs to be a HUGE effort by all the countries who can afford it to develop technology to save us.
How badass would life have to be to survive on Venus? Would it have had to evolve very slowly as the Venetian climate changed over time to where it is today?
Whats tthe resolution and sampling rate of the new probe vs the 70s probes?
Is there an orbiter planned?
Its not from a life form but frome rocks breaking down on the surface
What type of rock, and what mechanism to get them into that general area of the atmosphere?
@@JohnMichaelGodier Personally I am leaning towards Volcanism and have been from day 1 however at the time they believed there was none. That seems to be shifting though, and I suspect we will find it relatively common on the surface. The temperatures/pressures we are looking at combined with the sulfuric acid along with its breakdown products and most all phosphorus compounds or the element itself will lend itself to phosphine creation.
Maybe I missed something but what language does 'thleekith' come from?
Well you see we have a quantum mechanical possum.
I know this makes me unpopular in some circles but I've always thought we'd find life in the clouds of Venus over the surface of Titan. At least ever since I learned about a habitable layer in Venus's clouds.
Shouldn’t the question be how does Venus maintain any atmosphere without a magnetic field?
Answered: www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1217013
@@EventHorizonShow Very interesting. Guess another question is could Venus of originally been a hot Neptune type planet and gradually evolved to what it is now ? Still quite a mystery how it’s maintained any atmosphere without obvious vulcanism. There were theories it might still be active but those seem to have been disproven.
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 No, Venus has recently been found to almost certainly have active volcanism. I'm talking very recent, like in 2023 I think.
It's also believed Venus used to be a pretty earth-like planet, not a hot neptune. It's believed Venus used to have Earth-like temperatures with rain, snow, oceans, maybe even life. Basically just a secondary Earth in the solar system. Buuut then global warming happened and it happened a lot worse than it has on our planet. So I guess we should be glad our planet is extremely resilient- it could've ended in the great dying, when Earth experienced an event similar to what got Venus to where it is today.
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 Venus active volcanism was "confirmed" in the last 2 years. Not disproven. The evidence for it has been strong since the 70s, but getting actual images of it in the act with enough resolution was difficult. the problem was overcome recently and we have observed eruptions on Venus
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Well Venus is a boiling Hellscape ... just like anywhere run by jackass blue Democrats!
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Sorry that accent has me hearing “foreskin” constantly and I’m giggling at my work desk like a school boy 😂
What word did he say like that? I didn't catch it and I'm polish like him 😅
It takes all kinds.
@@eslle7481 "phosphene" I guess.
@@pewneosoby2108 What? It sounds nothing like foreskin imo
@@eslle7481 i said "I guess", not "thats certainly this particular Word" ;)
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(Said in Cthulu mind whisper)
He awakens...
This man is sufficiently smarter than I am
Now we know where Elon Musk is from.
Under a rock…
Planet Greedy Weirdo?
@@The-House-Of-Kastrioti Don't insult Venus. This special species of moron is homemade.
I love Elon Musk,he made Twitter bearable.
@@The-House-Of-Kastrioti My take on Elon is that he is a member of one of the deeper leading factions driving us to our planned future. That said all these factions haven't allowed for what is really coming even as they struggle ggle amongst themselves.
The same person and his group keeps making these findings and no one else who does follow up concurs with them.
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Thats awesome, I'm schizophrenic also OP. Lets be delusional together!
@@seditt5146 I'm not schizophrenic but you have all my sympathy if you are. I've worked in mental health care, I know how horrible the condition can be.
My comment was a light-hearted reference to The Law of One - The Ra Material, which involves "a sixth-density social memory complex that formed on Venus about 2.6 billion years ago".
There is no life on Venus. 🤣
We have cyclic and varied chemistry, Abundant energy source and a huge reaction chamber with super critical CO2 for solvation and carbon source. The odds of there not being life are so small its unreal but people like yourself couldnt picture it on the bottom of the ocean, in nuclear reactors, in the artic or kilometers deep into the Earth crust. Basically, your camp has been wrong every...single....time! And will likely again be wrong.
@@seditt5146 He probably thinks "life" is exclusively technological and humanoid, and nothing else matters
I for one looking forward to what types of Extraterrestrial meats we can begin harvesting and consuming.
Subterranean Martian Steaks will sell like HOTCAKES amongst the elite. I need a piece of that pie.
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The idea that there might be bacterial life on Venus is extremely exciting! It might mean that in nearly all sol systems there is a planet with simple life AND complex life.
@@glorymanheretosleep Except we haven’t even discovered a single planet around any G type stars. Which is incredibly depressing.
For me the exciting thing is it would pretty much confirm what I believe: life is common in the universe. If life is not only found on two planets in our solar system, but one planet is INCREDIBLY hard to survive on, it would basically just be showing us that the odds of life occurring in any system with a stable star aren't just THERE but are quite GOOD.
I seriously believe people underestimate how common life is, because it's just a series of chemical reactions so any planet which has the right composition for those reactions for the right amount of time WILL have life on it until some extinction event wipes it all out. It's as inevitable as any other chemical reaction. Combine bleach and ammonia and you get a noxious gas- that doesn't randomly change for no reason. The reaction stops when some other chemical cancels it out, or the reaction is finished. Same logic should apply to life, but for some reason, people seem to think planets capable of forming life can just... randomly not form it. Which makes no sense.
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 We haven't discovered any single planet around a G type star as those type of stars are incredibly BIG. Our methods are not advanced enough to find a planet there. One day that might change.