I think they're unidentified and therefore we don't know. They could be space junk or atmospheric effects. It's hard to say what anything is when we don't know
This is great stuff, John! I work at a hospital and see a lot of miserable people all day. Your content is always a welcome respite. Keep it going for as long as you can. It's much appreciated!
Thanks for all the high quality interviews John. All of your guests repeatedly use the phrase "that's a great question", and I agree. You're skipping the pedestrian questions all the mainstream pundits go for and venturing out into the more interesting topics. Keep it up!
We have barely scratched the surface of looking into our own galaxy let alone millions of other galaxies. It is far too soon to think we’re alone in the galaxy or indeed universe.
Right?! So true, it gets me that people make that claim "are we alone in the UNIVERSE" lol we can barely even view the majority of the Milky Way and the even assume we are looking at billions and billions of dead galaxies is so absurd. Numbers, distance and time all work against us here when it comes to surveying the universe for life.
I just keep falling into the Event Horizon time and time again. Best interviews by far, also this guest was just absolutely fantastic, hope we can have Dr. Kopparapu as a guest soon again! Best wishes to all of you!
I love the way you all are not trying to convince your audience. Just state the facts, ask questions, any let it stew...sometimes for the rest of the day. Then I listen again. Thank you Sir and your guests.
My absolute favorite TH-cam channel. Every time you upload, I grab some snacks and take a break from busy life to learn about the universe. This stuff should be humanity’s major goal. The saying “born too late to explore earth, too early to explore the universe” could be turned on its head if we truly focus as a species. Hats off to you and your team/guests. Great video.
I started watching this channel when the idea of UAPs was scoffed at. I can’t tell you how pleased I am that John has looked past the stigma and actually did research. It’s incredibly frustrating when you’re sitting on mountains of data and evidence that are just ignored because it’s too strange.
JMG, I appreciate and watch / listen to over 90% of your audio and video as well as sharing them with many others. This guest is intelligent and speaks quite well. HOWEVER, please don't make so many comments such as fighter pilots are educated to detect aircraft just because they know ~95% of foreign aircraft. Come on. There are pilots from the 50s that claim they have seen UFOs. Nobody knew about stealth aircraft for over 30 years outside of LM ADP (Skunk Works), Boeing, etc. They're not UFOs. Everyone who speaks about UFOs as aliens is doing a HUGE disservice to science! There are many people who are incredibly bright in the areas of aeronautics, physics, quite advanced other science(s), etc. 99% have zero knowledge outside of those who ride JANET, or are badged underground into DARPA, DISA, or NNSA, etc. Look into what happens with people who have shared US INTEL, or worse, China, Russia. Some are in a hole for their entire life. A few were chopped up and disappeared. Some of their families in China and Russia have disappeared. Those who tell seem to lie. Those who not, NEVER talk. Or, they will see the above happen. Ask your relatives about their SCI / Q clearances and what the penalties are. Ask about a dual badge going into a SCIF...Furthermore, most are contractors or military for most of their lives.
What a brilliant episode! Dr. Kopparapu's no-nonsense scientific approach to UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence is refreshing; I don't often hear a point of view that's open to the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation while remaining firmly grounded in reality. Well done, both of you.
Again I will say, besides our personal relationships with family & friends, all that truly matters, the Big Questions...& Answers, are out there. If more would simply, just look up. Thank you for your approach. Im a chemisty guy, but my first love was and always will be, physics, mainly along the astronomy/cosmology lines. I've have a couple dark times during these last 3 surgeries on my leg over the last year, and this show has most certainly allowed me to "escape" into what you all know is the beauty that is our universe, each night as I try to drift to sleep. Thank you John to you and also your staff. PS love Avi, he's awesome. Thank you all. Lance.
How about this: If we receive a very peculiar and complex signal, of a type we should've been able to detect for a long time, yet haven't, and nothing like it is ever observed again, from anywhere, at what point does the absence of repetition become an indication of a deliberate transmission? It would certainly have to stem from a very rare phenomenon, and, even by the most optimistic assumptions, intelligent life trying to communicate with us by radio waves, is probably very rare. We can imagine reasons for why a civilization might do something once, or for a short period, and never again. We can imagine civilizations being so rare that there's only a few (or even none) in a galaxy. However, what's the likelihood of a pure physics phenomenon being so rare that we can't find it anywhere else in the entire observable universe, over a period of 50 years, even when it's likely that we would observe it?
For all their complexity, the chemistry and physics of "life as we know it" are so much more elegant and in fact uncomplicated than that life as it is actually lived.
It makes sense to look for life like us, since it's the only kind of life that we know for sure does exist. As we discover alien life and explore outside our solar system, Im sure we will discover other types of life but the first aliens we find will almost certainly be carbon based, water loving, DNA/RNA based life because we know what we are looking for and how to detect it. Pretty hard to find a kind of life you haven't seen before and cant predict the existence of...
Mr. Godier, I know that you have a special interest in Fermi paradox. I have a solution I never heard elsewhere. In Carboniferous era the lignin (tree trunks, wood) were not digested by organisms so lignin accumulated underground as coal. Later, evolution produced organisms that digested lignin. There are 2 scenarios here: 1) Lignin digesting organisms appearing too early, so the great oxygenation event never occurs and 2) lignin digesting organisms never occurs so the atmosphere is completely depleted of CO2 making the growing of plants impossible. You have my permission to use this idea. I just ask you nicely to mention me somehow. :)
I think this was your best interview so far, John. Good follow-up comment and correction about life "previously" existing on a planet while discussing habitable vs inhabited. Biologists have not adequately differentiated between "habitable", "uninhabitable", "previously habitable" and "previously inhabited". I loved Dr. Kopparapu's comment about "unknown unknowns", i.e. anomolous conditions. It's ironic that I first heard this expression from Dick Cheney, and I can now actually apply it.
This is one of the your best interviews ever! IMO there are only 4 explanations for the UAP’s 1. They are from an interstellar star system that have warp drive technology 2. They are inter dimensional travellers 3. They are from either an advanced future or past civilisation from our star system 4. Or they are part of the simulation
Very happy to hear I'm not the only skeptic that can't just flutter my fingers and ignore the SCIENCE that IS GOING ON. Yes it keeps me up...but give me more data!
Maybe an anomalous question I actually got when we saw our furthest star-system yet in the past by light-mirroring by another star-system. Could it be theoretically possible to look in the mirror to our own starsystem to some extent or compare other starsystems through time by looking to them directly and indirectly by mirroring? I can imagine that can be interesting because it would give us a tool to look literally into our past or the past of other starsystems and observe if our guesses or theories about the past could become better with these extra data.
We are not alone. However civilizations are separated by such vast cosmic distances of space and time, and the laws of physics are such that irregardless of how intelligent or advanced, they almost never cross paths or make contact with one another. It is utterly *RIDICULOUS* in my view to think that there isn’t *SOMEONE* or *SOMETHING* else *SOMEWHERE* out there in the void. The question is can we ever *FIND* one another and make *CONTACT* on any meaningful time scale? I’ve always thought about it using the following analogy; Take 1 million people, put a life jacket on each of them and drop them randomly into the oceans around the world. Now tell them to find one another. *BEST* case scenario the nearest person to you may be many hundreds of km’s or miles away from you. With no means of fast travel such as a boat or airplane, and no means of communication save for shouting and waving, you could literally spend your entire life swimming about and never see anyone. Now cut the number of people to 100,000. Or 10,000. Or 1000. You see where I’m going with this… You could make the prospects even *MORE* daunting if you chose to do so by instead putting every person into a deep sea submersible capable of reaching the deepest, darkest ocean depths. This may actually be even *MORE* accurate and applicable to our position and circumstances in the Universe. That said, it is my belief that if we are being visited and have been throughout history, I don’t believe whoever operates these machines is biological in nature. If there is an intelligence advanced enough to create a machine capable of traveling the stars and the endless empty expanses of space, then they are *NOT* going to physically travel to other places themselves but rather send probes to investigate on their behalf and report back their findings. In fact, the more I learn and the more I educate myself on the subject matter through people such John Michael Godier, and Isaac Arthur, the more I am convinced that once a civilization reaches a certain level of advancement, they forgo their biological bodies altogether in favour of a purely digital existence. Love this channel and the community, and seeing it prosper and grow!! All the best to you my Star People, cheers from Canada. 👽🛸💫🖖🇨🇦🍻
Imagine this scenario, a derelict craft is lassoed and brought to near earth orbit. We find the craft is roughly 500,000 years old. We enter the craft and find everything is powered down because the energy source has been dead for thousands of years and the interior temperature is a couple of degrees above absolute zero. None of the machinery is operational. Memory banks are flushed because of bit rot. We look at the size of the craft and realize it must have cost 100 trillion dollars to create. Realistically, no ET would have sent this in the first place. Even if the craft had enough power to run its systems upon reaching earth, what good would it do. The ET's that sent the craft would be long dead.
@@lonewanderer9982 because if it were true that means they are studying us and we have our lives in the hands of some unknown entity with unknown motives
I am just a game designer who’s decided to go and die on this hill. I am not anyone who has any clue on how to build language or how to convey thought from a non human perception. I have however taken psychology and sociology. I also study my ideal intelligent life as a hobby. We haven’t seen life intelligent or otherwise because possibly they are very small. See my hobby is insects and spiders. Based on this info and on current speculative zoology of the future I have decided to build an environment whereby my research will be conducted and I hope to one day be able to sit with you and share it’s scary proposition. My hypothesis at this moment in time is humanity will choose to eliminate and defile the world im building not out of fear or anything to do with the fact weapons are present. No I predict humanity will eradicate this planet based on the life that inhabits it. They will not see the hidden truths and will refuse to bare witness to anything greater. I predict humanity will never be ready for alien life because alien life is more than likely insect.
I hope to be wrong I hope people break the barriers I am creating and I’m hoping that people learn something new and learn to be together be no barrier size or otherwise. But I fear humanity will find it easier to just destroy my friends because logistically speaking and horrifyingly real the easiest outcome is the choice of eliminate and ask questions once peace is no longer optional.
Mr. Godier, you really need to watch the "Ancient Planet Trilogy", I just watched it last night and it absolutely demolishes your position of expectation that prokaryotic life is common in the universe while eukaryotic life is not. The reason it took so long for complex life to form on Earth wasn't because it was such an unlikely event but because the photosynthetic life until a billion years ago was operating mostly by oxidizing ferrous ions Fe2+ to ferric Fe3+ (FeO -> Fe2O3 for instance) instead of releasing oxygen gas as a byproduct of photosynthesis, and it was only once the iron was all fully oxidized that the photosynthetic life produced oxygen gas as a last recourse. So the development of more complex life was not a random event that took billions of years and could have happened faster, it absolutely could not have happened any faster than it did. It was only with the massive increase in oxygen in the atmosphere that the cambrian explosion could happen. It would have happened sooner if the oxygen was in the atmosphere to support larger life forms with much lower surface area to volume ratios. But that couldn't happen until all the iron metal and all the Fe2+ iron ions were used up (remember there was actually iron metal on Earth to begin with too, just like in meteorites, before there was oxygen gas it could exist indefinitely on the surface of the Earth).
I can think of so many possible scenarios if we did detect life. If it was a techno signature, I believe around 1/3 of people would be interested, a 1/3 would be apathetic and another 1/3 wouldn’t believe it.
That's a funny idea about them asking us to quiet down for their radio astronomy; maybe intergalactic communication is similar to Ham radio with a bunch of old fuds asking of they can hear each other's signal strength and nothing more
What a wonderful guest! Direct answer to the question then the whys and therefores. Very interesting episode. As to what UFOs could be, I have one problem with most of the evidence in that photos are blurry, ambiguous, and always show atypical flight characteristics. Many other forms of evidence are right at the limits of detect-ability which is troubling in view of the vast increase in ability of devices. That said there are enough incidents that survive examination to conclude that some are unknown. Military equipment would account for some but unlikely to cover all. Those that are left may be non-terrestrial. The caveat here is that a civilization advanced enough to make interstellar ships could make sensors too small to be detected easily. So yes some must be alien but I think there will be an artifact somewhere (or even a series of them) that we will only find when we reach a certain level of technology, monolith buried on the Moon perhaps...
Really? Why is the Fermi paradox never addressed? And even if there actually are life elsewhere in the universe, what does it tell us we do not know? And especially the question I ask myself but no one else ever, how does something we do not know exist? In my opinion they do not, but here in TH-cam I get the impression no one have a problem letting "aliens" live up in their heads and never ask if they exist independently of us
Could the answer to the Fermi Paradox be timing? How long we've been able to listen, how long another tech uses radio waves , how long they point those waves in our direction, how large the galaxy is.
I would disagree on the point that finding life on another planet would greatly change the way most people perceive life. Human society have reached a point where we don't give a shit about anything. Apart from making interesting prime time news it won't matter to us a bit.
As iv mentioned many times I love this cast , but I really think if we are to even start a conversation about likely hod of life we need to talk about the elephant in the room , we still have no idea how live started, we can guess and do , but without this how do we even start to establish how special we are , love as always x
@@EventHorizonShow At this point I don't see enough evidence to accept UFO's are of alien origin . BUT and it is a big BUT , discussion and investigation by reputable scientists is needed to further our understanding of UAP/UFO. Your work promotes the very best kind of discussion - open minded , fair , objective . Whilst its obvious you have far more knowledge and insight into science than most of us non scientists , you still ask the questions we would ask and wrap it up in an entertaining and enlivening package . You through JMG and Event Horizon , ParallaxNick and Cool worlds are all in differing ways doing important work in science advocacy and long may it continue - Thank you
Chefs kiss of an episode, got me thinking about what if aliens were to see our planet and if they know they transit from our view or have a planet in the system that does they could create a identical near match filter to our atmosphere at a Lagrange point to grab our attention? Essentially solar sail tech but with a filter.
Pretty sure a one off signal could be made that indicates intelligence. Even something as simple as PI may do it, it's just how you transmit it that should make the difference. Think if someone transmits PI in 1 ms chunks per number, for example, pausing 2ms after that set is complete. Change the interval as desired. Start with 314 and increment 1 digit each time. 3141, 31415, 314159, incrementing to 100 digits of PI (more shouldn't be required). Then transmit the sequence in reverse. Then intermix them, like set 0, 100, 1, 99, 2, 98, etc. Repeat. The chances something natural would come anywhere close to that chain of numbers would be near impossible. What do you think?
@@nmarbletoe8210 Yeah, I agree. In those instances I hope the signal would have come from a source that has a very low chance of being confused with human. Maybe a high power laser picked up by JWST would do it.
@@speedycpu Bottom line there has to be some kind of corroboration, but your OP is 100%, it does not have to be from the signal repeating. Say we get a one-time signal, "Breaker breaker, is Snakeman, point your instruments to star Ophiuchus 2, observe transit 4 December 2027, over." And then Webb sees a planet there with an unusual mix of atmospheric chemicals and night light...
Between Mars, Europa, Enceladus, Titan and the cloud layers of Venus, and perhaps even Jupiter and Saturn, I think the chances that we won’t find even simple life within our own Solar System is exceedingly LOW!! And you’re absolutely correct. One microbe. One bacterium. One nanobe. Even fossilized, will change EVERYTHING FOREVER. 💫🙏🍻
Wonderful guest! Don't know what UFOs/UAPs are. Wouldn't mind if they are real space probes of some kind, or weird ball lightning (still not explicable). I would mind if they turn out to be the planet Venus.
Wonder if we see an advance civilization, or even receive a message. Would it help "road map" our technology tree. Like for example if the have Huge Thorium reactors - do forgo Fusion reactor research and try to imitate them? If they have gravitational driven ships, do we pour all research into gravity propulsion, and forgo chemical rockets. I mean - once we know it can be done, isn't that half the battle?
I think the signal from the film contact would be a perfect example a signal that are prime numbers only up to 101 by way of an audible source like beeping or knocking. Im 100 percent certain nature cannot create that
I just imagined if we found one, then all of a sudden civilisations started appearing like a cities street lights coming on at night wherever we looked.
I love this show and the topic, but theres only so many answers these guests can give. I lean more towards sceptic but am still interested, and the Navy videos of the Tic tacs are amazing and still unexplained. It is excellent data for any future events. The Coast Guard airplane video of the UAP flying fast over Puerto Rico and then diving into the water was also extremely compelling.
The reason we are doing these interviews now is because Ravi, and many others are engaged in actively studying the subject. Collecting data, and doing science. So when that science comes in we want the audience to be ready.
Arthur C Clarke and anyone who agrees with him are full of Bull Crap when they say that either we are alone in the universe or we are not and both possibilities are equally terrifying. NO. I take comfort in the possibility that there are others out there and being alone in the universe is way scarier than not.
The UAP phenomenon is most likely explained by the Smith Mundt Modernization act of 2012. The only question to be answered is why does the military want us to think there are UAP's. Essentially a single source, the US government, saying their aircraft carrier groups keep seeing physics defying objects that would be a massive game changing leap in military capability and their response is not a secret Manhattan Project level of effort to figure out what these are and to try and gain those capabilities, but publicly saying, "well, these are weird." And then no one goes to prison for leaking that?
It's strange to me, to imagine that UAPs are not real at this point and that it's all just a ploy for splitting attention. This would require that EVERY observed phenomenon from pilots, the navy, army officials, groups of people, etc for the past 50 years of this being talked about were either in on it or the military had a VERY long term plan and had drone technology to fool people far longer than anyone could imagine. The level of secrecy over the years with whistle blowers in mind, would be almost impossible to keep. I mean, imagine the way the people who believe we never landed on the moon think. Think about the level of secrecy that would need to be held from AROUND the world. It was a space race. So we believe the Russians would allow the US to fake it and get away with that? I doubt it. It wasn't even a priority for them to argue about it. And nobody beside conspiracy theorists have said anything about it.
@@nmarbletoe8210 Well it would be reverse engineering but I think the occam's razor explanations would be. Trying to get public support for some sort of huge expenditure. Miss information to confuse America's global competitors. Miss information to cover an actual black project. Miss information to amp up the craziness for some reason.
@@TDQ_Gaming ok so check this scenario: US policy has changed from 2 + 3 in the past , to 1 + 4 today. They used to deny ET for maximum head start in reverse engineering. But now they want money for space force etc, so they are leaking "the truth," but doing it slowly to avoid the crazy and control the narrative. Another scenario is that metamaterials etc. are far ahead in military vs civilian labs. Light years ahead. But this begs the question of how we got such a disparity.
we are looking out in the cosmos for signatures when we have tech signatures right here at home we need find out what these anomolies here are if everyone combined resources we could find out what these uaps are this needs to be addressed
Thanks for the broadcasts. I am wondering why people have really detailed stories of finding alien bodies, or different materials (Col. Corso), but nobody has any relevant information to draw a link ti our physics; maybe except for Bob Lazar and antimatter . It would be interesting to hear of some GCMS data on anything like that, right now we are trying to develop materials in microgravity, with proposed revolutionary characteristics.. what about developing materials in antigravity environments, then using them in our world, maybe they would somehow resemble UFOs,
It’s like it got to hard to work out how live started so we just skip this bit and look for advanced civilisations ! , I know it’s maybe not so fun but if we are really asking what to look for !! Get me ?
What do you think UFOs are?
Yes or no ... i actually Dont know:(
Combination of black bag military tech and heretofore undiscovered natural phenomena
Unidentified?
not near. lol. Nothing is near. Nothing is coming or going from here.
I think they're unidentified and therefore we don't know. They could be space junk or atmospheric effects. It's hard to say what anything is when we don't know
This is great stuff, John! I work at a hospital and see a lot of miserable people all day. Your content is always a welcome respite. Keep it going for as long as you can. It's much appreciated!
Thanks for watching.
Hospitals are full of miserable people, sometimes the patients are miserable as well 😂
@@EventHorizonShow thanks for responding to people
You are appreciated !
@@OShackHennessy Nailed it!
Thanks for all the high quality interviews John. All of your guests repeatedly use the phrase "that's a great question", and I agree. You're skipping the pedestrian questions all the mainstream pundits go for and venturing out into the more interesting topics. Keep it up!
We have barely scratched the surface of looking into our own galaxy let alone millions of other galaxies. It is far too soon to think we’re alone in the galaxy or indeed universe.
Right?! So true, it gets me that people make that claim "are we alone in the UNIVERSE" lol we can barely even view the majority of the Milky Way and the even assume we are looking at billions and billions of dead galaxies is so absurd. Numbers, distance and time all work against us here when it comes to surveying the universe for life.
The more I watch your channel, the more I like it. Good questions and no nonsense. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
Thank you Michael.
I just keep falling into the Event Horizon time and time again. Best interviews by far, also this guest was just absolutely fantastic, hope we can have Dr. Kopparapu as a guest soon again! Best wishes to all of you!
I love the way you all are not trying to convince your audience. Just state the facts, ask questions, any let it stew...sometimes for the rest of the day. Then I listen again. Thank you Sir and your guests.
My absolute favorite TH-cam channel. Every time you upload, I grab some snacks and take a break from busy life to learn about the universe. This stuff should be humanity’s major goal. The saying “born too late to explore earth, too early to explore the universe” could be turned on its head if we truly focus as a species. Hats off to you and your team/guests. Great video.
It's my favorite time of the week again!! Time to fire up the bong and fall into... The event horizon 👽
My man. 🤜
I started watching this channel when the idea of UAPs was scoffed at. I can’t tell you how pleased I am that John has looked past the stigma and actually did research.
It’s incredibly frustrating when you’re sitting on mountains of data and evidence that are just ignored because it’s too strange.
Lmao you’re weird for assuming they’re ET
"It like a small kid trying to hide by closing their eyes and thinking they are hiding".. perfect summary by Dr. Kopparapu.
Brilliant! Your content just keeps getting better. Kudos to your whole team. The comedic stinger with Anna is too funny! Thanks to all.
Thanks gully.
Fantastic interview! I'm glad you are doing more videos on the subject. Thanks for the episode.
Great conversation. Dr. Ravi Kopparapu is a very interesting guest, I like his discurs and I hope he will be a guest again soon.
JMG, I appreciate and watch / listen to over 90% of your audio and video as well as sharing them with many others. This guest is intelligent and speaks quite well.
HOWEVER, please don't make so many comments such as fighter pilots are educated to detect aircraft just because they know ~95% of foreign aircraft. Come on. There are pilots from the 50s that claim they have seen UFOs. Nobody knew about stealth aircraft for over 30 years outside of LM ADP (Skunk Works), Boeing, etc. They're not UFOs. Everyone who speaks about UFOs as aliens is doing a HUGE disservice to science!
There are many people who are incredibly bright in the areas of aeronautics, physics, quite advanced other science(s), etc. 99% have zero knowledge outside of those who ride JANET, or are badged underground into DARPA, DISA, or NNSA, etc. Look into what happens with people who have shared US INTEL, or worse, China, Russia. Some are in a hole for their entire life. A few were chopped up and disappeared. Some of their families in China and Russia have disappeared. Those who tell seem to lie. Those who not, NEVER talk. Or, they will see the above happen. Ask your relatives about their SCI / Q clearances and what the penalties are. Ask about a dual badge going into a SCIF...Furthermore, most are contractors or military for most of their lives.
What a brilliant episode! Dr. Kopparapu's no-nonsense scientific approach to UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence is refreshing; I don't often hear a point of view that's open to the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation while remaining firmly grounded in reality.
Well done, both of you.
Again I will say, besides our personal relationships with family & friends, all that truly matters, the Big Questions...& Answers, are out there. If more would simply, just look up. Thank you for your approach. Im a chemisty guy, but my first love was and always will be, physics, mainly along the astronomy/cosmology lines. I've have a couple dark times during these last 3 surgeries on my leg over the last year, and this show has most certainly allowed me to "escape" into what you all know is the beauty that is our universe, each night as I try to drift to sleep. Thank you John to you and also your staff. PS love Avi, he's awesome. Thank you all. Lance.
John, thanks for bringing up UAP issue so directly, but also in rational manner, this is what we need. JMG 2, Stigma 0.
Fantastic interview, John! Thanks a bunch!!! 😃
Bright times ahead (I hope)!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I guess we will never find it. We are too far separated...time wise.
It is a pleasure to hear your interviews, your clever questions help me to encourage debates in my astronomy class.
You're such a good human John. Keep it up. We need good representitives.
Its pretty nice being able to listen to these long ones while I work. These rock. Thanks man
How about this: If we receive a very peculiar and complex signal, of a type we should've been able to detect for a long time, yet haven't, and nothing like it is ever observed again, from anywhere, at what point does the absence of repetition become an indication of a deliberate transmission? It would certainly have to stem from a very rare phenomenon, and, even by the most optimistic assumptions, intelligent life trying to communicate with us by radio waves, is probably very rare. We can imagine reasons for why a civilization might do something once, or for a short period, and never again. We can imagine civilizations being so rare that there's only a few (or even none) in a galaxy. However, what's the likelihood of a pure physics phenomenon being so rare that we can't find it anywhere else in the entire observable universe, over a period of 50 years, even when it's likely that we would observe it?
Yes we can find the intelligent life, but alien might only choose whom they wish for contact.
For all their complexity, the chemistry and physics of "life as we know it" are so much more elegant and in fact uncomplicated than that life as it is actually lived.
Hopefully one day John will interview an alien
It makes sense to look for life like us, since it's the only kind of life that we know for sure does exist.
As we discover alien life and explore outside our solar system, Im sure we will discover other types of life but the first aliens we find will almost certainly be carbon based, water loving, DNA/RNA based life because we know what we are looking for and how to detect it.
Pretty hard to find a kind of life you haven't seen before and cant predict the existence of...
Another great interview, many thanks.
My ears
are ready
Awesome discussion as usual. First port of call always on a Friday morning in Perth Australia.
I was in Perth 1978 on USS Enterprise
Imagine some alien observer listening to your videos and occasionally thinking, oh if he knew how close he's with that thought. 😉
We humans offer it. Even aliens have to have some fun.
this is my favorite channel, thank you for your work!
Mr. Godier, I know that you have a special interest in Fermi paradox. I have a solution I never heard elsewhere. In Carboniferous era the lignin (tree trunks, wood) were not digested by organisms so lignin accumulated underground as coal. Later, evolution produced organisms that digested lignin. There are 2 scenarios here: 1) Lignin digesting organisms appearing too early, so the great oxygenation event never occurs and 2) lignin digesting organisms never occurs so the atmosphere is completely depleted of CO2 making the growing of plants impossible. You have my permission to use this idea. I just ask you nicely to mention me somehow. :)
The art bell intro was hilarious
I think this was your best interview so far, John. Good follow-up comment and correction about life "previously" existing on a planet while discussing habitable vs inhabited. Biologists have not adequately differentiated between "habitable", "uninhabitable", "previously habitable" and "previously inhabited". I loved Dr. Kopparapu's comment about "unknown unknowns", i.e. anomolous conditions. It's ironic that I first heard this expression from Dick Cheney, and I can now actually apply it.
Well done, enjoyed the conversation.
This is one of the your best interviews ever!
IMO there are only 4 explanations for the UAP’s
1. They are from an interstellar star system that have warp drive technology
2. They are inter dimensional travellers
3. They are from either an advanced future or past civilisation from our star system
4. Or they are part of the simulation
They definitely exist. Keep the topic up! We deserve to know.
I am still hoping we will find intelligent life on Earth one day.
You could start by selecting a grown-up username.
Very happy to hear I'm not the only skeptic that can't just flutter my fingers and ignore the SCIENCE that IS GOING ON. Yes it keeps me up...but give me more data!
Maybe an anomalous question I actually got when we saw our furthest star-system yet in the past by light-mirroring by another star-system.
Could it be theoretically possible to look in the mirror to our own starsystem to some extent or compare other starsystems through time by looking to them directly and indirectly by mirroring?
I can imagine that can be interesting because it would give us a tool to look literally into our past or the past of other starsystems and observe if our guesses or theories about the past could become better with these extra data.
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John loves his red edge
Another great guest, keep it up
Interesting as per usual.
Great interview you guys!
We are not alone. However civilizations are separated by such vast cosmic distances of space and time, and the laws of physics are such that irregardless of how intelligent or advanced, they almost never cross paths or make contact with one another. It is utterly *RIDICULOUS* in my view to think that there isn’t *SOMEONE* or *SOMETHING* else *SOMEWHERE* out there in the void. The question is can we ever *FIND* one another and make *CONTACT* on any meaningful time scale? I’ve always thought about it using the following analogy;
Take 1 million people, put a life jacket on each of them and drop them randomly into the oceans around the world. Now tell them to find one another. *BEST* case scenario the nearest person to you may be many hundreds of km’s or miles away from you. With no means of fast travel such as a boat or airplane, and no means of communication save for shouting and waving, you could literally spend your entire life swimming about and never see anyone. Now cut the number of people to 100,000. Or 10,000. Or 1000. You see where I’m going with this… You could make the prospects even *MORE* daunting if you chose to do so by instead putting every person into a deep sea submersible capable of reaching the deepest, darkest ocean depths. This may actually be even *MORE* accurate and applicable to our position and circumstances in the Universe.
That said, it is my belief that if we are being visited and have been throughout history, I don’t believe whoever operates these machines is biological in nature. If there is an intelligence advanced enough to create a machine capable of traveling the stars and the endless empty expanses of space, then they are *NOT* going to physically travel to other places themselves but rather send probes to investigate on their behalf and report back their findings. In fact, the more I learn and the more I educate myself on the subject matter through people such John Michael Godier, and Isaac Arthur, the more I am convinced that once a civilization reaches a certain level of advancement, they forgo their biological bodies altogether in favour of a purely digital existence. Love this channel and the community, and seeing it prosper and grow!! All the best to you my Star People, cheers from Canada.
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Imagine this scenario, a derelict craft is lassoed and brought to near earth orbit. We find the craft is roughly 500,000 years old. We enter the craft and find everything is powered down because the energy source has been dead for thousands of years and the interior temperature is a couple of degrees above absolute zero. None of the machinery is operational. Memory banks are flushed because of bit rot. We look at the size of the craft and realize it must have cost 100 trillion dollars to create. Realistically, no ET would have sent this in the first place. Even if the craft had enough power to run its systems upon reaching earth, what good would it do. The ET's that sent the craft would be long dead.
I find the presence of aliens in our atmosphere terrifying.
Why
@@lonewanderer9982 because if it were true that means they are studying us and we have our lives in the hands of some unknown entity with unknown motives
@@liam3104We are wiping ourselves out so perhaps preservation.
Yes, Where Is The Intelligent Life?
Great stuff!
I am just a game designer who’s decided to go and die on this hill. I am not anyone who has any clue on how to build language or how to convey thought from a non human perception. I have however taken psychology and sociology. I also study my ideal intelligent life as a hobby. We haven’t seen life intelligent or otherwise because possibly they are very small. See my hobby is insects and spiders. Based on this info and on current speculative zoology of the future I have decided to build an environment whereby my research will be conducted and I hope to one day be able to sit with you and share it’s scary proposition. My hypothesis at this moment in time is humanity will choose to eliminate and defile the world im building not out of fear or anything to do with the fact weapons are present. No I predict humanity will eradicate this planet based on the life that inhabits it. They will not see the hidden truths and will refuse to bare witness to anything greater. I predict humanity will never be ready for alien life because alien life is more than likely insect.
I hope to be wrong I hope people break the barriers I am creating and I’m hoping that people learn something new and learn to be together be no barrier size or otherwise. But I fear humanity will find it easier to just destroy my friends because logistically speaking and horrifyingly real the easiest outcome is the choice of eliminate and ask questions once peace is no longer optional.
Great interview so interesting. Sure puts the mind to work lol
Mr. Godier, you really need to watch the "Ancient Planet Trilogy", I just watched it last night and it absolutely demolishes your position of expectation that prokaryotic life is common in the universe while eukaryotic life is not. The reason it took so long for complex life to form on Earth wasn't because it was such an unlikely event but because the photosynthetic life until a billion years ago was operating mostly by oxidizing ferrous ions Fe2+ to ferric Fe3+ (FeO -> Fe2O3 for instance) instead of releasing oxygen gas as a byproduct of photosynthesis, and it was only once the iron was all fully oxidized that the photosynthetic life produced oxygen gas as a last recourse. So the development of more complex life was not a random event that took billions of years and could have happened faster, it absolutely could not have happened any faster than it did. It was only with the massive increase in oxygen in the atmosphere that the cambrian explosion could happen. It would have happened sooner if the oxygen was in the atmosphere to support larger life forms with much lower surface area to volume ratios. But that couldn't happen until all the iron metal and all the Fe2+ iron ions were used up (remember there was actually iron metal on Earth to begin with too, just like in meteorites, before there was oxygen gas it could exist indefinitely on the surface of the Earth).
Best talk on this subject to date ,,
I was waiting to hear The Chase start playing at the end there...
Love it!
I can think of so many possible scenarios if we did detect life. If it was a techno signature, I believe around 1/3 of people would be interested, a 1/3 would be apathetic and another 1/3 wouldn’t believe it.
Possibly Logan.
Good stuff
Love this guy
That's a funny idea about them asking us to quiet down for their radio astronomy; maybe intergalactic communication is similar to Ham radio with a bunch of old fuds asking of they can hear each other's signal strength and nothing more
Love the skit at the end of this episode!
What a wonderful guest! Direct answer to the question then the whys and therefores. Very interesting episode.
As to what UFOs could be, I have one problem with most of the evidence in that photos are blurry, ambiguous, and always show atypical flight characteristics. Many other forms of evidence are right at the limits of detect-ability which is troubling in view of the vast increase in ability of devices. That said there are enough incidents that survive examination to conclude that some are unknown. Military equipment would account for some but unlikely to cover all. Those that are left may be non-terrestrial. The caveat here is that a civilization advanced enough to make interstellar ships could make sensors too small to be detected easily. So yes some must be alien but I think there will be an artifact somewhere (or even a series of them) that we will only find when we reach a certain level of technology, monolith buried on the Moon perhaps...
Perfect!!!
Really? Why is the Fermi paradox never addressed? And even if there actually are life elsewhere in the universe, what does it tell us we do not know?
And especially the question I ask myself but no one else ever, how does something we do not know exist? In my opinion they do not, but here in TH-cam I get the impression no one have a problem letting "aliens" live up in their heads and never ask if they exist independently of us
I believe advanced life will be found pretty much deeply under our feet, under our oceans and in the earths poles. Also thinking the moon.
Could the answer to the Fermi Paradox be timing? How long we've been able to listen, how long another tech uses radio waves , how long they point those waves in our direction, how large the galaxy is.
Another banger :)
Show me what you got.
honestly why aren't we learning to talk to elephants and dolphins?
I would disagree on the point that finding life on another planet would greatly change the way most people perceive life. Human society have reached a point where we don't give a shit about anything. Apart from making interesting prime time news it won't matter to us a bit.
As iv mentioned many times I love this cast , but I really think if we are to even start a conversation about likely hod of life we need to talk about the elephant in the room , we still have no idea how live started, we can guess and do , but without this how do we even start to establish how special we are , love as always x
love the content John :)
splendid open minded discussion
What did you like about it?
@@EventHorizonShow At this point I don't see enough evidence to accept UFO's are of alien origin . BUT and it is a big BUT , discussion and investigation by reputable scientists is needed to further our understanding of UAP/UFO. Your work promotes the very best kind of discussion - open minded , fair , objective . Whilst its obvious you have far more knowledge and insight into science than most of us non scientists , you still ask the questions we would ask and wrap it up in an entertaining and enlivening package . You through JMG and Event Horizon , ParallaxNick and Cool worlds are all in differing ways doing important work in science advocacy and long may it continue - Thank you
Chefs kiss of an episode, got me thinking about what if aliens were to see our planet and if they know they transit from our view or have a planet in the system that does they could create a identical near match filter to our atmosphere at a Lagrange point to grab our attention? Essentially solar sail tech but with a filter.
Pretty sure a one off signal could be made that indicates intelligence. Even something as simple as PI may do it, it's just how you transmit it that should make the difference.
Think if someone transmits PI in 1 ms chunks per number, for example, pausing 2ms after that set is complete. Change the interval as desired. Start with 314 and increment 1 digit each time. 3141, 31415, 314159, incrementing to 100 digits of PI (more shouldn't be required). Then transmit the sequence in reverse. Then intermix them, like set 0, 100, 1, 99, 2, 98, etc. Repeat. The chances something natural would come anywhere close to that chain of numbers would be near impossible. What do you think?
Yes, for sure. However a one-time event leaves the box open. Maybe it was human signals reflected from the moon. Maybe someone hacked the computer...
@@nmarbletoe8210 Yeah, I agree. In those instances I hope the signal would have come from a source that has a very low chance of being confused with human. Maybe a high power laser picked up by JWST would do it.
@@speedycpu Bottom line there has to be some kind of corroboration, but your OP is 100%, it does not have to be from the signal repeating.
Say we get a one-time signal, "Breaker breaker, is Snakeman, point your instruments to star Ophiuchus 2, observe transit 4 December 2027, over."
And then Webb sees a planet there with an unusual mix of atmospheric chemicals and night light...
You should also chat with biochemist Dr. Nick Lane.
Life occurs on Earth in even the most extreme conditions, so I have no doubts that life exists on other (exo) planets, in whatever form.
Just finding microbial life would be the find of the millennium.
Between Mars, Europa, Enceladus, Titan and the cloud layers of Venus, and perhaps even Jupiter and Saturn, I think the chances that we won’t find even simple life within our own Solar System is exceedingly LOW!! And you’re absolutely correct. One microbe. One bacterium. One nanobe. Even fossilized, will change EVERYTHING FOREVER.
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What if we find a microbe and it turns out to be as smart as J Edgar Hoover.
Wonderful guest! Don't know what UFOs/UAPs are. Wouldn't mind if they are real space probes of some kind, or weird ball lightning (still not explicable). I would mind if they turn out to be the planet Venus.
Aren't all signals we receive inherently natural? We're part of nature too, so if we send a signal, it's natural.
Some of the noises the possum makes are not natural.
Wonder if we see an advance civilization, or even receive a message. Would it help "road map" our technology tree.
Like for example if the have Huge Thorium reactors - do forgo Fusion reactor research and try to imitate them?
If they have gravitational driven ships, do we pour all research into gravity propulsion, and forgo chemical rockets.
I mean - once we know it can be done, isn't that half the battle?
I think the signal from the film contact would be a perfect example a signal that are prime numbers only up to 101 by way of an audible source like beeping or knocking. Im 100 percent certain nature cannot create that
Sleep crew gone get a lot of mileage outta this one 👍
I just imagined if we found one, then all of a sudden civilisations started appearing like a cities street lights coming on at night wherever we looked.
Can you please do an episode on Grabby Aliens?
Wonder how long till we can zoom in to surface in hd
"from the high desert.....:" that WAS funny
Glad you got it.
I love this show and the topic, but theres only so many answers these guests can give. I lean more towards sceptic but am still interested, and the Navy videos of the Tic tacs are amazing and still unexplained. It is excellent data for any future events. The Coast Guard airplane video of the UAP flying fast over Puerto Rico and then diving into the water was also extremely compelling.
The reason we are doing these interviews now is because Ravi, and many others are engaged in actively studying the subject. Collecting data, and doing science. So when that science comes in we want the audience to be ready.
Arthur C Clarke and anyone who agrees with him are full of Bull Crap when they say that either we are alone in the universe or we are not and both possibilities are equally terrifying. NO. I take comfort in the possibility that there are others out there and being alone in the universe is way scarier than not.
The UAP phenomenon is most likely explained by the Smith Mundt Modernization act of 2012. The only question to be answered is why does the military want us to think there are UAP's.
Essentially a single source, the US government, saying their aircraft carrier groups keep seeing physics defying objects that would be a massive game changing leap in military capability and their response is not a secret Manhattan Project level of effort to figure out what these are and to try and gain those capabilities, but publicly saying, "well, these are weird." And then no one goes to prison for leaking that?
It's strange to me, to imagine that UAPs are not real at this point and that it's all just a ploy for splitting attention.
This would require that EVERY observed phenomenon from pilots, the navy, army officials, groups of people, etc for the past 50 years of this being talked about were either in on it or the military had a VERY long term plan and had drone technology to fool people far longer than anyone could imagine. The level of secrecy over the years with whistle blowers in mind, would be almost impossible to keep.
I mean, imagine the way the people who believe we never landed on the moon think. Think about the level of secrecy that would need to be held from AROUND the world. It was a space race. So we believe the Russians would allow the US to fake it and get away with that? I doubt it. It wasn't even a priority for them to argue about it. And nobody beside conspiracy theorists have said anything about it.
Are we sure there is no effort to engineer ET tech?
@@nmarbletoe8210 Well it would be reverse engineering but I think the occam's razor explanations would be.
Trying to get public support for some sort of huge expenditure.
Miss information to confuse America's global competitors.
Miss information to cover an actual black project.
Miss information to amp up the craziness for some reason.
@@bigcauc7530 Not like there isn't a history of this. Starting with the Roswell story to cover up Project Mogul
@@TDQ_Gaming ok so check this scenario: US policy has changed from 2 + 3 in the past , to 1 + 4 today. They used to deny ET for maximum head start in reverse engineering. But now they want money for space force etc, so they are leaking "the truth," but doing it slowly to avoid the crazy and control the narrative.
Another scenario is that metamaterials etc. are far ahead in military vs civilian labs. Light years ahead. But this begs the question of how we got such a disparity.
Finally after the ridiculous decades long ignoring/me cking this very real and absolutely reality shattering phenomena is being taken seriously.
1:00:35 Mars is the only planet (as far as know) that (again, as far as we know) is populated entirely by robots.
Excellent interview. My take away is we need to think outside the box if we're ever going to figure this mystery out.
we are looking out in the cosmos for signatures when we have tech signatures right here at home we need find out what these anomolies here are if everyone combined resources we could find out what these uaps are this needs to be addressed
So scientists are search for things I’ve seen with my own two eyes,insane
Thanks for the broadcasts. I am wondering why people have really detailed stories of finding alien bodies, or different materials (Col. Corso), but nobody has any relevant information to draw a link ti our physics; maybe except for Bob Lazar and antimatter . It would be interesting to hear of some GCMS data on anything like that, right now we are trying to develop materials in microgravity, with proposed revolutionary characteristics.. what about developing materials in antigravity environments, then using them in our world, maybe they would somehow resemble UFOs,
You need real awesome Space Alien Action figures made to sell up above comments. Maybe characters from your books. I would totally buy some
Would you like these alien action figures to glow in thr dark or no glow?
The link to that paper comes up as not available.
Check again. Link works.
Try this link www.cufon.org/cufon/mcdon2.htm
How near is another dimension? That's where I believe higher lifeforms exist.
Hi John. After Starship makes its first orbital flight attempt, can you get someone from SpaceX on to discuss it?
We will for sure.
I don't know, I just don't think we're going to find it...at least not for a long time to come
It’s like it got to hard to work out how live started so we just skip this bit and look for advanced civilisations ! , I know it’s maybe not so fun but if we are really asking what to look for !! Get me ?