INAV 3.0 Tips: New autolevel and auto-trim settings for fixed wing
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- Let see what the advice from the developers is in the update on these changes in the Wiki. I've had different advice on how best to use Autolevel mode with Angle and Horizon modes.
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Great content and thanks for the info. I pulled the last few strands of hair out of my head trying to figure the new leveling system on my own.
Thanks Lee, looking forward to the series!
Got my first INAV plane setup with 3.0. Going through all Lee's vids and probably going to maiden next weekend ! Thanks Lee for helping us all get dialed in !
Great video in allot of way's.. just starting Wing.. Inav. So 3.0 and beyond. Thanks for all your Time and video..
Fantastic! Thanks a lot, Lee! 😃
iNav 3.0 is looking great!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
the pitch trim can be found in the pid tuning tab also
thanks for the overview.
Thank you sir I appreciate it I really needed to know what those new modes were
Good stuff as always😎
I don't even own a plane and I watch this stuff👍
You should get a trainstar ascent :) first plane I learned and taught on
To be honest most Cessna models/variations are amazing beginner friendly models
@@lewismcgarry1349 I'm going to stick with flying quads.
@@lewismcgarry1349 A longtime ago I had a gas trainer plane(049) and then I tried a electric plane. I had no idea what I was doing, both are history.
@@cliffandrews Ah. Ok then. Engines are complex than motors. Lots more moving parts. Perhaps find a flying field near you with others to help if you want to get into the hobby or try a simulator
Awesome video.
Glad I saw this before my maiden!!! Have to add “auto level” to angle and horizon mode. 👌 another save by P360
Once it has trimmed the offsets needed for the self level modes you can turn it off. I've had various suggestions about how good/bad it is to have it permanently coupled to the mode but it's working OK here.. So far... Happy flying
Great video! For those that don't like the CLI, the pitch adjustment can also be done in PID tuning -> Mechanics tab, right?
You can change the value for level trim that auto level adjusts in the pids section without going into the cli.
or via stick commands (trim acc)
Greetings from the future! I have a weird build, a Delta Ray I've converted to brushless, with an Omnibus F4 Nano running iNav 3.0.2, GPS, and FPV. I had to mount the FC upside down, but when I fired up the configurator to set the orientation, imagine my confusion when that wasn't even an option! I saw the new flight modes in the Wiki, but found no reference for folks with inverted FC's in their planes. I went old-school, and set the alignment in the CLI (one more degree, reboot, two degrees the other way, reboot) using the "get board" command and working out roll, pitch, and yaw from there. I can report back that if you're like me, with an oddball FC mount, you can go the "old way" and set alignment there, if you're unsure.
I've yet to use the "autolevel" mode combined with the other auto-leveling flight modes, but that's up next. Am I wrong for setting everything mechanically and electronically as close to neutral as possible, with constant servo trimming and autolevel mode being available?
INAV needs a well setup plane mechanically to work well. Check out my full INAV 3.0 fixed wing build for all the steps I use. I usually add some board alignment offset for the pitch to give it a little nose up in flight for the maiden.. Best of luck!
Useful series of vids. Don't know why the developers did not create a 'Set Level' feature like the Vector. The board orientation will always have to be set, so why move it to the CLI - seems odd.
the pitch trim can be found in the pid tuning tab also
Thanks, this helps a lot, can you add a video explaining the battery level for the Lion batteries showing up incorrectly in Nav Lua? How do I get the correct voltage and fuel levels in a Lipo vs. a Lion battery?
Not sure, if I figure it out I will make a video. Please let me know if you sort it...
For me even the LIPO battery levels dont work correctly on Nav Lua.
But i just love that screen with all the information
Thanks and great video about set up esp along with the other similar ones on INAV 3 , Been learning plenty but one thing im curious about, for normal flying do you use AUTOLEVEL in conjuction with Acro mode on the automatic tabs set up like you have done for Horizon mode ?
ACRO mode has no autolevel and if that is what you want then HORIZON is a better bet... Best of lcuk!
@@Painless360 thanks that makes sense 🚀
Lee, do you need to do auto level on each flight before switching to Manual for the trims to be there? You said it does not have a save function, How can we save the trims so in a future flight we can launch in manual right away if we want and have the trims already there? Does the save on the multifunction SH switch save the trims?
The trims on this model don't seem to move. They were set up in the INAV 2.6 and seem good. I hope that the updated documentation will be clearer on this... Best of luck
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In one of your other videos I saw you use and recommend using angle and horizon modes together. Should I use both+level or only one of those two with level? Thanks
Only one at once. Advice changes all the time as code develops. Make sure to use the most up to date series.. Happy flying
Thanks for the video. Question - let's say an FC is mounted at a slightly downward tilt. Autolevel will correct this in horizon mode to remove any pitch down movement. However, in acro mode will the horizon indicator on the osd be below the actual horizon? I'm assuming adjusting the pitch trim value in cli will correct this? How is this value discoverable after flying with autolevel in horizon? Also, you mentioned other pilots aren't even looking at adjust pitch trim does that mean they aligned their board perfectly for level flying?
Nothing sure as I don't use the AH here out of frustration with drift. Let me know how you get on... Happy flying
Please can you share your final settings for auto launch.
Thanks
How I set up mine are covered in the AutoLaunch video and in the latest INAV 3.0 mini series you can find ion the playlists.. best of luck!
great tips! have you tested to see if the horizon drift issue is finally fixed?
From what I have heard it greatly improved but not perfect. I don't use it here.. Happy flying
@@Painless360 thanks so much for the quick response... You mean you don't use the horizon in the osd? I thought the horizon drift issue doesnt only affect the actual horizon graphical representation on the osd, but also the actual attitude of the airplane (what the fc at that moment thinks is acutally true level to use as a reference point for stabilization). nevertheless its great news that they improved upon it. Once again, can't thank you enough for all these years' worth of experience you have transmitted to us
Hello, congratulations on the content! I would like to ask a question. Is Auto Level a flight mode that I should only use once so that it finds the necessary parameters and then saves them or can I always leave it on when I fly together with Angle or Horizon? In case you have to turn it off after defining the parameters, these parameters are automatically saved as with the option "continuously trim servos on Fixed Wing? Thanks in advance!
Having ANGLE or HORIZON mode is very handy. See my INAV for Beginners series for how I use the modes here. HORIZON is handy to come out of after autolaunch and helps with both servo and angle trimming as well as landing in higher winds..
Hi, thanks for the reply! But actually I would like to know if the Auto Level mode can always be turned on together with Angle or Horizon or if I should turn it on, fly a little until I get the parameters and turn it off afterwards?@@Painless360
Thanks for the great tips. I understand the pitch part, but how do I trim for leveled roll? I've done accelerometer calibration several times, but I always get a roll offset of about 5 degrees from zero?
Try align_board_roll - all covered in the CLI pages github.com/iNavFlight/inav/blob/master/docs/Settings.md
Set gyro and accelerometer values to default via cli and then you can re calibrate the gyro from scratch.
Thanks Lee, at 1:59 it show -20.5degrees when the plane nose up, so for someone what to pitch up 8 degrees , CLI setting “fw_level_pitch_trim = -8.0” Right ?
From the release notes: pitch trim should be done using fw_level_pitch_trim setting. +5 fw_level_pitch_trim means airplane nose should be raised 5 deg from level
I hope that helps.. Happy flying
Hi there Painless. Thanks for the video. How does altitude level differ from altitude hold?
Let's hope that gets covered in the wiki when it is updated.... Happy flying
@@Painless360 .... i wonder if its like the standard flying mode for the parrot disco. Will have to wait and see!
As a DISCO owner, I can say its not :D
@@Painless360 fair enough!😁
Hi Lee. Sorry to be a pain and ask yet another question, but is there an inav mode that is the same as the parrot disco standard flight mode?
I would like to have the baseline parrot disco flight mode on an inav wing build....
Hope you can help me as you have before. New to Inav and have been flying FPV with Vectors for years. Launched my fixed wing with SpeedyBee in manual and flew great. As soon as I flipped the switch to Horizon mode it went into a tailspin immediately. This has happened twice. I was planning on setting it on Horizon and then try the auto trim. Any ideas on what Imight be doing wrong? Thanks in advance for any advice.
Stabilise modes behaving oddly is almost always due to channels being reversed on the radio, not in INAV. See my INAV for beginners 2023 series... Best of luck
Dear Lee, I know this video is for INAV but could you please advise me on how to use SERVO_TRIM_AUTO in Arduplane? Do I enable the parameter and then fly in FBWA while adjusting the radio trims until a perfect level is achieved? If true, should I later center the radio trims after I land? Thank you!
Sounds like you've not seen my latest Arduplane videos - th-cam.com/play/PLYsWjANuAm4p6qzsdJ4Jtnh0dVIGS8jOp.html - my maiden process is also covered in there. Best of luck
I was under the impression that auto level was to be used like auto trim? Or thats what I thought I heard in the dev discussion. Its uses barometric data to level out pitch and re align the board over a "hands off control" period like auto trim did. This process overwrights the board align pitch value which is why it is not present in the GUI
Let's see what goes in the wiki update when the developers agree on how to use - Happy flying
Good morning! Hey I probably sound new asking this, but with the "Continuously Trim Servos" switch on; does that alleviate the need to have an Auto Trim switch on the radio? -Thank you!
Yes. Yiu never use trims with INAV... Happy flying
@@Painless360 Man you are awesome, man!
I just finished a F405-WSE on my new dolphin thanks to your videos. I have the board all hooked up for INAV 3.0 and realized I soldered all the pins on the wrong side. Do you know the correct CLI command to flip the board rightside up. I have tried several commands and it seems to not change anything. The configurator always shows the board upside down. Thanks
I have not had to look at that yet in INAV 3.0. There are still basic board alignment setting in the Configuration tab - are they not helping?
@@Painless360 Thanks for all you do and the fast reply. There is no board alignment in the configurations tab anymore. It has all moved to the CLI. @UCmX3OXToMBKTppgRskDzpswpointed me to the CLI commands (link below) align_board_roll = 1800 was the key!!!!
I was not using deci-degrees. github.com/iNavFlight/inav/blob/master/docs/Settings.md#align_board_pitch
th-cam.com/video/Af-bbT-2exI/w-d-xo.html is a video that will help in future..
Hey Lee I am trying to set up automatic vtx power levels in inav 3.02 and having some trouble there is no more gif in cli all help is greatly appreciated thanks
I've not played with it for a while since INAV 3.0 came out. th-cam.com/video/jnm-DfokGA0/w-d-xo.html is a good video to watch!
Rewatching this and several of Pavel's videos to spot the best way to make sure my model is leveled the way I want it. No, I'm not going to trust the iNav dev team yet :) This is easy for a quad but for a wing or big bulky airplane I'm finding it quite hard to set and verify level is "where I want it" via the Setup tab. I was always able to dial this in and become confident before a first flight by tweaking the board alignment and pitch/roll offsets... the pitch trim doesn't seem to affect the Setup tab appearance for me which has left me concerned....
I hope the documentation for INAV 3.x is updated to make this whole are clearer. The experience from the pilots I fly with and my own experience is that it just works. I'd welcome more detail myself.. Happy flying
@@Painless360 I get that impression as well. I'll keep tinkering with my new builds . Hopefully it will become more familiar and I'll get to a happy place. Otherwise, setup for 3.0 is really smooth.
I'm a bit confused. Just so I'm clear, why/in what circumstances would I need/want to adjust the pitch in the CLI (or PID-mechanics page as of Inav 3.0.1) if I am going to use autolevel anyway (assuming I only really ever fly in Horizon mode)? is fw_level_pitch_trim only relevant if I'm going to fly manual?
I tend to use it to set the offset initially to make sure that the autolaunch works well and the 'plane has enough 'up' to easily climb then let the level mode fine tune it. Once it is set I never revisit it.
@@Painless360 thank you v much!
What’s up Mr. painless? I had a question about one of the Armattan bind and fly quads and after seeing your “ model T “ armattan. it can’t be a bad place to start….. last year I bought a DGI badger 5 inch BNF with 2150 kv TOA motors. although I only have three or four 5S batteries, that’s all I’ve flown. well I just got five 1250 mA 6S batteries for free! Other than keeping an eye out for hot motors is there any reason why I couldn’t or Shouldn’t, run the 6S batteries? Thanks for your time………..Mitch.
Check out the specs on the parts in the model to make sure they can handle 6s.(FC,ESCs,VTX etc). I'd watch it like a hawk during the first hover tests.. Best of luck
Hi painless
In the inav wingtalk they said to use autolevel as a tune mode
And not to have it always on
Or do you never fly in horizonmode and only as a tune flightmode?
Let's see what the wiki shows when it's updated... Happy flying
@@Painless360 I had it set up like you did also
But after watching sunday I saw marc saying it can give troubles when having strange wind
Happy flying
Keep the good video's coming !!
So is there a difference at all between fw_level_pitch_trim and align_board_pitch? Been using the align board pitch to get my dart 250 in the air.
If you are talking about fixed wing then fw_level_pitch_trim is the one you want to set the nose up attitude. See my INAV 3.0 fixed wing setup mini series. Happy flying!
@@Painless360 Exactly what I needed, cheers!
Does Fixed Wing Level Pitch Trim affect Acro mode, or only Horizon and Angle modes?
Board alignment and auto level work with the self level modes only. Servo trim is needed for Acro and manual. See my new INAV FW setup mini series... Best of luck
Thanks Lee, but I have loaded 3.0 and when I connect my Timber with the Matek765 I still get the square box in the setup tab, I was wondering if there is a setting that I’m missing???
th-cam.com/video/B2fNFREM6_o/w-d-xo.html may help ;)
@@Painless360 Nope that didn't work. even tried flashing the the flight controller and and starting from scratch and it is still giving me the boring box, but thanks for the help.....
I appreciate all the good videos you have been making. They have been super helpful! I have donated $20 to your Paypal account. Just seeing if you had any suggestions on an issue I'm having?
I had a Ranger 2000 with an H743-Wing flight controller and all modes worked great. I recently got the Ranger 2400 and I am getting really frustrated trying to get RTH to work properly.
Once I flip the RTH switch it rolls extremely hard and almost goes into a death spiral until I flip the manual switch and get it leveled off. I have played around with different RTH settings (Current, At Least, At Least Linear Descent) but it still behaves the same way. I even adjusted the max bank and pitch angle to 10 degrees.
I have not done Autotune yet beacuse I didnt need to do it on the Ranger 2000 but I'm running out of options to get my new plane working properly.
Thank you for the donation - that was very kind.
The maximum bank angle in auto-level modes (and hence GPS) is the same as those set for flying. I'd not try things like GPS until you know that the model is flying well in self level modes and is tuned. See my INAV 3.0 setup mini series for how I set it up here and the steps I use - th-cam.com/play/PLYsWjANuAm4o34OZd4Z2umSYcgIF222Tm.html
Best of luck
@@Painless360 Ok that sounds like the right way to go about it. I'm going to go through the autotuning process this weekend and then try angle mode to see how it behaves. Thank you!
So watching this video i now understand where and when to use auto level, but isn't it kinda redundant if you already are using continuous auto trim? Or is it the tool that opens the pathway for the feedback from the gyros and gps? Maybe its me but it just isn't clear.
Auto level is for pitch settings in stabilise modes for maintaining height. Servo trim is for manual and acro.. happy flying
@@Painless360 AH ok thank you, got it. Cheers
This is covered in more detail in the upcoming second part of my INAV 3.0 fw build mini series. I'd strongly recommend a you watch it..
Interestingly, Lee, I still see the CleanFlight box :(
Reload the mixer. It's covered in the setup video out at the weekend... Best of luck
Im 3 days in trying to fix on problem and have to give up and ask for my sanity. In angle+level/horizon+level the plane flicks to perfectly level and then gently drifts down and right. To me this is vibration but i cant see how i can find that vibration in the blackbox. Im completely lost
I'd try it without autolevel on at the same time and see if that helps... Best of luck
Hi friend!, I m a newbie on Inav and F7, now I just installed the 3.0.1 firmware on my new Matek F7, (before I watched this video), so, before the maiden, I m very concern and worry about my manual mode , because its just adjusted visually and manually, and of course, when in the airborne I switched it , then will be a disaster, and panic, so, do you recommend me the maiden throw the wing in ANGLE ? (or maybe in ACRO) and then if it survived the first meters climbing, then How can I trim my Manual mode? having that autolevel mode in combination at the same time with ANGLE ? so If I understand you well, it will autrim my manual trims too ? thank you .... and waiting for very appreciate answers...regards.
I usually trust an autolevel mode for the first throw and go from there.. See my INAV for Beginners 2020 series..
@@Painless360 Hi again, sorry for bother you, as newbie, but now, everything is already mounted on the wing (Harrier S1100 Reptile) and I will added this AUTOLEVEL automatically turning ON when I set my ANGLE mode (both on the same channel/switch) and save that pitch level to 8, and last one I ve already sat the continious servo trim too, ok, I m ready for the maiden, do you think so ? OR I forgot some detail ? thank you again, and let see if I successfully maiden my little wing.
what about mechanics tab for board alignment?
I don't understand the question..
hello
thank you
how is it that you have plane icon?
One of the new features of inav 3.0
Only shows for flying wings not airplanes (Mixer preset)
If I am flying V2.6 and upgrade to V3.0 will there be any "got ya" surprises?
I've not found any. Check out the other videos in the series..
Have a question when I put my ar900 wing in in horizon or Angle mode it starts to roll back and forth I had alot of trim in manual mode then tried autorim I'm I doing something wrong
Could be a few things. Excessive move of the control surfaces. Bad tune.. What have you already tried?
Seems like a tune issue to me. Maybe high P gains?
@@Painless360 well I found out I can't use subtirm period
i cannot arm my plane using inav 3.0. can you make some video on prearm please, which does not exist on old version. for now i cannot fly my planes.. or can you send me reference how to fix it. thank you
I don't use prearm on planes. See my video on troubleshooting INAV arming... best of luck
@@Painless360 thank you
Taking the board aliament from the wiky open a new bag of problems.
So is auto level ok to leave on all the time with a stabilized mode?
I wouldn't. I've heard of issues if you do that. See my maiden video for how I use it...
@@Painless360 thanks.
I have a Matek765 and it has firmware 2.3, so as i understood the uprade sequence to 3.0 is as this:?
2.3 to 2.6 and then to 3.0. It's not possible to do it straight from 2.3 to 3.0 ?
And the FC MUST have firmware 3.0 to get the connection with INAV-Configurator ?
Thanks
You can go from any other version as there isn't an 'uograde' as you erase the settings on the FC when you flash it. See the details in the release notes.. Best of luck
Thanks, will do so
I was confused on inav configurator upgrade. Wasn't Shure if needed to upgrade before I did 3.0 on FC or after . Did before and Seems fine.
Yep, see my video on how I updated this model in the other video in the series.. Glad it worked for you.. Happy flying!
I don't have auto level in my Modes Tab. Is this only available on certain types of Wings? Do I need the GPS to have a fix first?
I'd make sure the rest of the setup is correct first.. Best of luck
@@Painless360 It flies just Fine, GPS and return to home work. Doesn't worry me to much just thought it was odd.
same here. not sure why :o
How odd. I'd report it to the devs as an issue via the WIki.. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 Thank you
I have a request, you have already mentioned that you only fly certain boards with iNav. Could you do a vid where you have autolaunch set up and do a battery's worth of takeoff and landings in a row. I ask this because taking off and flying a batt IS different to doing repeated take offs. This is where I came a cropper - I was so chuffed with the auto take off that I did another then another, and thats when it did a nose in. I know you have an autolaunch vid already but this is different. I really want to do another iNav build but this is putting me off. Maybe I should have been happy with the first launch and just flown it. I had no issues in actual flight etc, and I do love the computer set up aspect of it.
Maybe i've answered my own query, i should just launch and fly.
Yep :D
@@Painless360 iNav 3 is looking nice though. That vid Bonafide did with the ESky Eagle was pretty smooth.
I'm still getting the cleanflight box in mine,
How can I change this?
Reload the mixer. See the next video in the series.. Happy flying