I owned the Superduke 2 years ago. I thought it was the best naked bike. Now I own the Aprilia and I know I was wrong. Although engine wise, both of them are beasts, the Aprilia wins because it's easier to handle ( lighter weight ) and much better when it comes to considering the electronic tweakings.
Just purchased the 2020 KTM 1290 R, with only 800 kilometers will only go to 7000 rpm until first service. This bike pulls so hard, you better be hanging on for dear life. Never had V-twin always Kawasaki's inline 4s from early 1980. Yes I does vibrate, but find the sweet spot barely feel anything. Comfort, and this much power and torque I really enjoy riding this Beast, too bad sounds weak. Got Austin pipe on order can't wait get rid of that massive exhaust.
I like that you compare the newest with the last favorite. Always like good yardsticks to really get a handle on what the newer machines got going for them.
We need the new yamaha MT-10 vs the top supernakeds of the market: tuono 1100, bmw s1000r and superduke. basically a naked R1 so it should be interesting
My 5 cent.... The Ktm is very nimble and it feels as it has a very low centre of gravity compared to the Tuono v4. In my mind both the new Superduke and the mt09/fz09 feels kinda light and easy to ride as a street/naked bike. The touno v4 seems to much of a superbike, for me it wants to tip over on the side when standing still or riding slow. Feels like a home made "street fighter" instead of a proper naked bike with a chassis with geometry specifically made for naked bike like superduke and mt09 has. Simply adding a more upright handle bare is just cheap way of making a "new model" At higher speeds The tuono4 feels ok but as a naked streetbike it fails. I love the proper Rsv4 though. Coming from a gsxr 100k3, bandit 600, daytona 675, 05 zxr636 and my current one a nc35. but has tried about every sportbike there is expect the mv augusta brand and the bmw1000rr.. not to brag but to say that these bikes are what has formed my highly personal opinion :D
I think the best performing naked bikes right now would be between the ebr 1190sx, bmw ?, & the Ducati ?, forgot the model names of the other two. Personally I want the fz07, just because you could have so much fun on that bike at such a low price!
Pillokun Interesting analysis considering the fact that the majority of shootouts I've seen, favors the Tuono. I've owned a 2014 Tuono V4 for over a year now and don't experience any of what you mentioned. Feels incredibly stable (even at slow speeds), although I do agree that at first, the riding position feels a bit awkward due to the fact that the foot pegs are higher up, which I'm assuming is why you stated that it feels more like a superbike (which it is, just a naked one). The high and wide handle bars makes it a bit more of a challenge leaning through a turn, but I've never found it to be a major hindrance. The boost of low end torque makes the Tuono an absolute beast on the streets and twisties, and incredibly fun to ride. To each their own really, but in my opinion, the Tuono is a symphony of great technology and the V4 engine is unlike any other. Full of character and buttery smooth on power delivery.
Hi, That was a great review guys... Coming from the UK and being used to review show's such as Top Gear and 5th Gear you present really well! I really like the fact you aren't loud mouths, it's always nice when presenters are more concerned about showing the product their showcasing than how they come across... Doing it that way allows you to come across naturally... I thought the little breakfast segment was a nice touch. Keep up the good work.
What's the displacement got to do with it? look at the torque and power curves of both of the bikes. The only limiting factor with any bike over 600cc's is not lifting up the front wheel in the first 70mph or so, thus why the honda cbr600rr has the same 1/.4 mile as these bikes.
Onoff314 Superduke has less cylinders and higher displacement. The V2 engine configuration is projected so the engine reaches it maximum torque at lower RPMs compared to other engines like inline 4 (maximum endspeed and horsepower) or the v4 (more mid-range power and smoothness throughout a wide RPM range). The displacement dictates the general performance of the engine. An engine that burns 1,3 liter of air/gas mixture generates clearly more power comparing to an engine that burns 1 liter of the same air/gas mixture, this difference is shown either as higher torque, higher horsepower or both depending on the engine configuration (number of cylinders, order of combustion, valve timing, etc) motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014-Ultimate-Streetfighter-Smackdown-Finale-HP-Torque-Dyno.jpg In the chart you can see that KTM reaches a maximum torque of 96,5 ft-lb at 8200 RPM and the tuono reaches its maximum torque of 73,4 ft-lb at 9500 RPM. Thats why its not a fair comparison. The racetrack would be much better since it would compare both bikes qualities and test them against each other. The sheer power of the KTM against the balance and maneuverability of the Tuono in a mix of curves and straights. I dont think that there would be too much of a difference between the lap times.
irrelevant when you consider an LS218 lightening will eat both bikes for breakfast then eat a BMW S1000RR for lunch. Electric is the future and you guys are comparing dinosaurs to each other.
Richard Neal Who wants a $40,000 bike that only has a 90 mile range? You're just like the Tesla dupes, acceleration isn't the end all be all, listen to the sounds these two bikes make, then listen to your $40,000 magic bullet. NO THANKS!
Ducati Drew don't blame you at all I'm going with the aprilia as well you just can't beat it love the s1000r but for me it's the touno the Honda of the Italian motorcycles for those that don't know what I mean they do not break you put gas in it and ride it
I owned the Superduke 2 years ago. I thought it was the best naked bike. Now I own the Aprilia and I know I was wrong. Although engine wise, both of them are beasts, the Aprilia wins because it's easier to handle ( lighter weight ) and much better when it comes to considering the electronic tweakings.
Just purchased the 2020 KTM 1290 R, with only 800 kilometers will only go to 7000 rpm until first service. This bike pulls so hard, you better be hanging on for dear life. Never had V-twin always Kawasaki's inline 4s from early 1980. Yes I does vibrate, but find the sweet spot barely feel anything. Comfort, and this much power and torque I really enjoy riding this Beast, too bad sounds weak. Got Austin pipe on order can't wait get rid of that massive exhaust.
I like that you compare the newest with the last favorite. Always like good yardsticks to really get a handle on what the newer machines got going for them.
"With good health insurance". xD
They are soo cute and young 😂😂
It sure is good to see you guys back.
Cheers from SoCal,
Chris
We need the new yamaha MT-10 vs the top supernakeds of the market: tuono 1100, bmw s1000r and superduke. basically a naked R1 so it should be interesting
3 bagger lol
Daaam i would love to get a work like that :D
I've raced a tuono b4 on my sdr and pulled on it hard especially before 100mph. Zach couldent get the launch right.
Watching this on my bike at college whilst waiting for it to warm up before I leave :)
Where I live in Oregon... No street lights 20 miles one way and 105 the other....
Promise me you will make an 2015 liter bike shootout! Europian + Japanese.
r1 will win :)
My 5 cent....
The Ktm is very nimble and it feels as it has a very low centre of gravity compared to the Tuono v4. In my mind both the new Superduke and the mt09/fz09 feels kinda light and easy to ride as a street/naked bike. The touno v4 seems to much of a superbike, for me it wants to tip over on the side when standing still or riding slow. Feels like a home made "street fighter" instead of a proper naked bike with a chassis with geometry specifically made for naked bike like superduke and mt09 has. Simply adding a more upright handle bare is just cheap way of making a "new model" At higher speeds The tuono4 feels ok but as a naked streetbike it fails. I love the proper Rsv4 though.
Coming from a gsxr 100k3, bandit 600, daytona 675, 05 zxr636 and my current one a nc35. but has tried about every sportbike there is expect the mv augusta brand and the bmw1000rr.. not to brag but to say that these bikes are what has formed my highly personal opinion :D
I think the best performing naked bikes right now would be between the ebr 1190sx, bmw ?, & the Ducati ?, forgot the model names of the other two. Personally I want the fz07, just because you could have so much fun on that bike at such a low price!
Pillokun Interesting analysis considering the fact that the majority of shootouts I've seen, favors the Tuono. I've owned a 2014 Tuono V4 for over a year now and don't experience any of what you mentioned. Feels incredibly stable (even at slow speeds), although I do agree that at first, the riding position feels a bit awkward due to the fact that the foot pegs are higher up, which I'm assuming is why you stated that it feels more like a superbike (which it is, just a naked one). The high and wide handle bars makes it a bit more of a challenge leaning through a turn, but I've never found it to be a major hindrance. The boost of low end torque makes the Tuono an absolute beast on the streets and twisties, and incredibly fun to ride. To each their own really, but in my opinion, the Tuono is a symphony of great technology and the V4 engine is unlike any other. Full of character and buttery smooth on power delivery.
what if they would have dropped the keys of that railing....
Haha, they would have been looking in them bushes for a while 😂
1:35 you do realise that you almost dropped the key?
very good vid :)
more reviews on this Beast pls!!!
Hi,
That was a great review guys...
Coming from the UK and being used to review show's such as Top Gear and 5th Gear you present really well!
I really like the fact you aren't loud mouths, it's always nice when presenters are more concerned about showing the product their showcasing than how they come across...
Doing it that way allows you to come across naturally...
I thought the little breakfast segment was a nice touch.
Keep up the good work.
I hit the drags for the first time in 17 years on my KTM GT 1290 and managed a 10.644@137mph :)
my KTM started leaking oil at 800km so i sold it.
@Epsensieg 18 I did 800klm it wasn't even ran in
Could you please tell me what's the name of the song @ 2:00 in the "Ducati Streetfighter S vs Aprilia Tuono V4R: Naked Bike Shootout" ?!
Go watch 44Teeth to see what a good programme looks like
Good To See You Guys Again !!
Is this exhaust still available and if so, where?
I miss these two...
Good stuff guys, surprised you guys didn't take them into the canyons though...
aprilia take my money!!!
My favourite motorcycle testers. From a Brit. So much better than ours.
Oh snap the iconic ari hair, gone! Nice new look though.
Oh snap the iconic ari hair, gone! Nice new look though.
Were the reaction times subtracted from the 1/4 mile results? If not what was the reaction times at the start?
Don't see the point in going to a drag strip and not an actual race track with corners?
so where did you guys go?
I realized that Ari is well verse with V4....well done...nice review
Tuono is superior out in the real world anyhow.
so happy to see on two wheels back... btw .. whats with the hair?
and sorry but a V twin sounds way better than any V4
So ugly from the front that Tuono
Birds period for breakfast??.
The TROLL your mum wish she had a period
Can u give me any bike...of ktm please
superduke is 20k in my country :(
why KTM is stuck in single cylinder and dual only? we need 4inlines from them
+Heinz Lammerding That's like asking Ducati to build inline-four engines.
Or maybe a v4 ;) lol
IT'S GOOL. HI," ABERRANT DISAGREEABLE "
anyone noticing the sam and dean resemblance?
hi guys:) which one of these two bikes is easier to wheelie?? and by that i mean easier to control and smoothe
The KTM has a good powerband for wheelies. But both bikes are awful heavy... If your asking because you want to learn wheelies, learn on a dirt bike.
REM44MAG For a 1300cc bike, the KTM is really light. I ride a Suzuki B-King on a day-to-day basis. I wish it was the KTM's weight!
come at me brah!
Zyzz reference? :p
Yeah, lets drag race a V2 1300cc against a V4 1000cc. Totally fair..... ¬¬.
The quality of the video and audio is good tho.
What's the displacement got to do with it? look at the torque and power curves of both of the bikes. The only limiting factor with any bike over 600cc's is not lifting up the front wheel in the first 70mph or so, thus why the honda cbr600rr has the same 1/.4 mile as these bikes.
A friend of mine works in an Aprilia dealership. Don't buy an Aprilia. They break.
SvenTviking and do you work in KTM?
Onoff314
Superduke has less cylinders and higher displacement. The V2 engine configuration is projected so the engine reaches it maximum torque at lower RPMs compared to other engines like inline 4 (maximum endspeed and horsepower) or the v4 (more mid-range power and smoothness throughout a wide RPM range). The displacement dictates the general performance of the engine. An engine that burns 1,3 liter of air/gas mixture generates clearly more power comparing to an engine that burns 1 liter of the same air/gas mixture, this difference is shown either as higher torque, higher horsepower or both depending on the engine configuration (number of cylinders, order of combustion, valve timing, etc)
motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014-Ultimate-Streetfighter-Smackdown-Finale-HP-Torque-Dyno.jpg
In the chart you can see that KTM reaches a maximum torque of 96,5 ft-lb at 8200 RPM and the tuono reaches its maximum torque of 73,4 ft-lb at 9500 RPM. Thats why its not a fair comparison.
The racetrack would be much better since it would compare both bikes qualities and test them against each other. The sheer power of the KTM against the balance and maneuverability of the Tuono in a mix of curves and straights. I dont think that there would be too much of a difference between the lap times.
irrelevant when you consider an LS218 lightening will eat both bikes for breakfast then eat a BMW S1000RR for lunch. Electric is the future and you guys are comparing dinosaurs to each other.
LOL and you can do, what, a 150km ride before you're finished for the day?
with the new batteries hitting the market electric bikes are passing 300km.
Not your Lightening, and not anything with decent performance.
And then three hours to recharge.
Richard Neal Who wants a $40,000 bike that only has a 90 mile range? You're just like the Tesla dupes, acceleration isn't the end all be all, listen to the sounds these two bikes make, then listen to your $40,000 magic bullet. NO THANKS!
Id like to see someone run the EBR 1190. I think its the king of v twin sport bikes.
Thay can't give that bike away very poor seller
starrider1900 Test rode it and loved it but sticking with Aprilia.
Ducati Drew don't blame you at all I'm going with the aprilia as well you just can't beat it love the s1000r but for me it's the touno the Honda of the Italian motorcycles for those that don't know what I mean they do not break you put gas in it and ride it
duke all way
Nice to see you guys back at it!!
what happened to Honda :(
Man I want one of those ktms riding a z1000 right now and that looks like the ticket.
Nice one. Good ride test!
You guys are great !!
We learned that every Super Duke needs a Rottweiler-Stage 5 Intake
He said "Come at me brah".
Is he a Zyzz fan or coincidence?
Shake Shack!
Wow, Aprilia won 2 out of 3...win Tuono
The new Tuono V4 1100 is even better.
300 KPH? Who's the tool?
MORE!!!!!
The Superduke Rules!!
ktm can do 299kmh top speed, while aprilia stuck on 260+ kmh.. end of story.
Is it stabil at this speed.?
why 150 bhp? the superduke have 180 bhp,where are the othr 30 bhp?
lost by the drive train...
But we pay for the other 30 bhp.....
bhp is measured at the crank. They recorded 150 hp at the rear wheel.
Yes , in italy we pay the horsepower... if i buy a motorbike with 180 i pay for 180 hp... but i use 150hp..
Fucking law...
I don't think you understand...