THE KTM Super Duke / Aprilia Tuono Comparison | Which Should You Buy?
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- KTM Super Duke or the Aprilia Tuono? Its a question people ask me all the time. To finally answer this once and for all myself and Womble swap bikes and make our way down to sunny Weymouth for the ultimate super naked shootout!
Duke Steering damper is from Rottweiler performance as I know many will ask :-)
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Intercoms used in this video are Sena 20s & Sena 10c
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Data Logger - SpeedAngle www.rg-racing.com
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Bike upgrades Super Duke:
Crash protection - www.rg-racing.com
Carbon parts - www.motocomposites.com & www.ffcarbon.com
Carbon Wheels - www.dymag.com
Airbox tunning - www.rottweilerperformance.com
Steering Damper - www.rottweilerperformance.com
Tuning - www.dynojet.co.uk
Suspension upgrades - www.ktechsuspension.com
Clutch slave - www.oberon-performance.co.uk
Tyres - www.pirelli.com
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Summer Gloves - Furygan FitR-R 2 www.nevis.uk.co...
Black Leather Jacket - Richa Detroit
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Leather Trousers - Richa Monza
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At 57 after being off road bikes for 10 years I booked to test ride the new 1200 KTM Duke and was convinced to buy it after watching Utube clips and wanting my first ever V twin and forever bike . I got back to the dealer disappointed only because you could not get off the bike and were kind of forced the option to move around and had to sit upright around corners which was a real shame and a deal breaker. I was devastated and he offered me a ride on the naked BMW 1000. I looked at it and thought another in line 4 no thanks . As I was walking out all dejected he suggested a Aprilia V4 . I said a what . He said the new 2016 Aprilia 1100 Tuono RR . Never heard off it . Well It looked OK a bit plain I thought what the Hell I've traveled over a hour to get to the test ride . WOW!!!! My antenna went up even before I got out of the car park . I hit the road, the bike was sold by the time I clicked 4th gear . That exhaust note and riding position. 2 days latter going to my more local Aprilia dealer in Sydney I discovered a factory 1100 (last brand new one in the country) and wrote out a cheque on the spot . Not been tempted by any other floozy and been together ever since. Well maybe the newer Tuono with updated electronics but I only looked .
Great arnt they 👍👍
I bought one without ever trying one, best bike ever
I've owned both now and love them both but the reality is, the Aprilia does almost everything better. It just feels the better, more complete package with that added Italian spice.
Regarding "Looking too big on a bike" Just accept the fact that us taller/larger guys will always look like a Rottweiler humping a Jack Russel and live with it :)
I've owned both, I put 12k miles on my 2016 SDR. Upgraded air filter, SC Project exhaust and dyno tuned (and a lot of cosmetic mods). Absolutely loved it. I now have a 2019 V4 Factory that I've only had for a couple weeks, SC project, Race ECU and some cosmetic mods.
The SDR is more enjoyable at "slower" speeds with all the lowend torque, even more upright seating position, etc. The tuono is undoubtedly better on the highway due to the aerodynamics and torque being in the higher RPM range. It's actually more comfortable for longer trips due the additional aerodynamics alone. That being said, you could put a windscreen on the SDR but I think it looks goofy.
Both exhaust notes are extremely unique and amazing, both of mine were/are completely decatted so I got the raw sound. I think the Tuono sounds better as someone hearing you ride by where as the SDR sounded better for the rider, not sure why but that's how it feels.
Sorry, but I own both and I love both. But the Aprilia IS in fact the better bike!
The sound of that Tuono🤪
I have the Tuono with a full Akropovic evolution, without the baffle. My god it is Thor roaring tbh, the sound is out of this world.
Loved the vid guys, keep up the excellent work. 👍
Whichever bike you choose folks, can't wait for the summer, not long to go now. Be safe Bikers of 2020.
In the old days, when there weren't any fuel gauges, we would set the trip meter to zero then ride the piss out of it on a full tank. When the bike finally hit the reserve, we would note the mileage, then commit that number to memory as the range of the bike, give or take a few miles!!! Fuel gauge problem solved!!!
Anyone with an MT10 or a Multistrada still has to do this ;)
Yes and we ran out of fuel with monotonous regularity, it was a pain in the arse then, and would be now.
I still have to do that on my bike lol.what makes it even worse is my fuel light doesn't work either so just conks out Haha.
I still do this even though my current bikes have fuel gauges. 100+ units of measurement is more precise than a few blocks of LCD. Gives you real-time miles till empty. A gauge is nice, but hardly a make or break feature in my opinion.
For me it was between the super duke 2018 and tuono factory 2018. I test rode both of them for about 30 minutes each. I was not a fan of the riding position or the engine feel of the duke at all. I felt way too upright and the engine felt like a harley to me. The Aprilia felt like a tailored suit it was just perfect in every way. And the SC projects exhaust on the tuono just cannot be compared or beaten by any other moto sound.
The 25 year old brain wants a superduke but my 58 year old body says stop being stupid
I guess the brains stupid to as I just bought one you only live once right
@@bigogger50 Indeed 57 here... And on Belgian roads I already have 3000 km in 1.5 month, on the S.D.... I'm happy again...
I opted for the gt tried to be semi sensible but it isn't .
Going for my 3rd Tuono....just no reason to change!
and for me the 1st gen Tuono.
Yeah, got a 2015 V4 and it's really hard to change, it's that good, but the old hips ache now. Test rode one and it was superb, not close in insane all roundess to the Tuono but the closest bike in all.super nakeds.
Might need another go😬
"is it in? how rude, I've finished!" chemistry between you chaps is awesome.
Tuono wins 😬 love that Bike so much.
going on 7 years with the SDR 13,500 on the 2015, 32500 miles on the 2016 se and 6800 on my new 2022 EVO. KTM made the gen 3 a bit more serious with a more aggressive riding position, but I'm still managing 425 miles a day.
I've had my Tuono 1100 for 2 years now and its been great. Really like the SD but for me its the Tuono as the best all rounder. I've tracked, toured and hooned it and it just comes back for more
Tuono for me.
"I find sports bikes uncomfortable now". Goes ahead and gets a GSXR 1000 😂
18 months till retirement(my first) and can't wait to get my Superduke for a retirement present. I fell in love with the Duke in 2016 and have to wait till 2020 to get one. No other bike will due. Great video
Can't wait for the 19' Tuono which has semi-active suspension!
Major defining decision point for me was that I'm 6'1. The Tuono while having handlebars unlike clip-ons on a RSV sadly shares its foot peg placement. If you are a tall rider only one of these machines is capable of being ridden all day long, and then repeating that feat the next day. And that machine is the KTM. If your riding consists of only short jaunts then either machine is awesome, but I suspect that if these are the two machines you have focused on, you are pretty into riding. The taller you are and less contorted you want to be makes you a KTM pilot. If you're not concerned about being squeezed into an uncomfortable position, then why bother getting a naked? Side note, the BMW that isn't here had pretty high pegs too, and for some reason a long stretch to the bars, it didn't fit me well either.
enntense , I'm 6'3" with a 34"inseam and can ride 4-5 hours every day, day after day. I am looking at lowering the pegs with rearsets for a little more leg room tho.
@@MtnMoto unfortunately you need a giraffazuki, shame you wouldn't fit a tuono you would of loved it.
Davey Lad 😂
The tuono has lower footpegs than the rsv4.
Same here, i'm 6'3 and got the SD, it's way comfier. Probably Tuono is the better bike for sport riding though.
Had both and love both. On the SDR now but may swap back to a V4 in the future. The Duke is more involving on the road, you have less RPM to play with so it’s good fun banging up and down be box. The Tuono is the better track weapon - can’t go wrong.
They are both great bikes. I went with the Tuono and not a single regret. 11,000 miles in 10 months and not a single issue. Comfortable, quick shifter, auto blipper, cruise control, capable of 3rd gear 90mph power wheelies and let's not forget get about the orgasmic sound that comes out of it! What's not to love?
Im tempted to sell the Duke and get one.... Do love em
Yeah I’ve seen 100mph and it still powers up, it’s insane but fantastic and precise. I’ve ridden lots and lots of bikes and I can’t think of a better feel good bike...... and then there’s the sound, best on any bike made. Fact
Tuono on on another level compared to the Duke.
Tuono beats the ktm Every time!Handling,Power,Price tag,ect,ect. Suggestion:Full Akro exhaust and get it tuned it's a MUST! The rims are heavy on the Tuono as well. Carbon fiber rims is a MUST!👌That ktm is a beautiful bike I will admit...
Says price, then suggests a full exhaust change along with a tune and carbon rims. Get real mate, those kind of rims are well out of budget for most normal people.
Signed, Tuono owner.
@@flyjayUK Even the exhaust is over 2000.00! 8
@Pat McCaliskey its not better, they are VERY different. i still cant understand why people compare them, one is a supermotard on steroids, the other is a literal super sport bike with handlebar instead of clip ons. there is no "better" bike
@Pat McCaliskey dont worry mate i wasnt accusing you, it was obvious it was your personal preference. it was more like for all the other guys on internet fighting this keyboard wars for nothing lol
Amazing that Honda didn't continue the VFR. I loved mine.
They recently got a patent with an v4
They still make a v4 . It cost $174,000
Tuono for me all day, looks, goes and sounds amazing.
Great clip great to hear from actual owners too! I would say the MT10 is the perfect in between the Duke and the Tuono as can cruise but has that sportsbike feel. Would like to hear how you rate the MT10 against these two
The Tuono is a sport bike with regular bars. The Super Duke is a purpose built naked bike.
Good review guys. I also own both of those bikes and rode the Super Duke R today and the Aprilia last week and they both tug at different heartstrings for sure.
Slightly biased but the tuono is hard to beat for sound :)
i love the SDR and it will be my next bike, but yeah, cannot beat the tuone V4 sound
And it wasn't even an sc project exhaust, which can be heard even on the moon. The tuono and rsv4 are the best sounding bikes in the world
Thanks for that Lamb Chops Rides! So in summary, the Tuono is the best comfy sports bike while the Super Duke is the best insane supermoto.
The Tuono has the better sounding motor with its luscious V4 (not that the V-twin sounds bad) and the Super Duke is more roomy for riders over 6'.
correct :-)
Owning a duke I appreciated the new gizmos going from a carbeurated machine to fuel injected. There were some days I felt underwhelmed by the take of power, other days I was surprised. Reaching top end after 150 felt it would take longer than it should, but I guess this depends on street vs sport mode and road elevation.
Always felt I had a macho feel riding with my arms more outward, tucking felt a bit awkward at high speeds and then to just come up right. It has a cruiser/sport bike/ supermoto feel. I don't know how to describe the uniqueness all in one word. Some days I did wish I would blend in a bit but standing out felt entirely better out in a group. Especially the sound. It just overwhelms.
Overall I great bike to take into corners, I think that in top of easy wheelie rise was my favorite overall. Handles excellent in the rain, even with a slick back tire. Thought I'd dump at about 70 off an exit but stayed up right.
I would like to see how the tuono holds up in the same scenarios, still able to maintain an upright position but still able to tuck like a super sport. Feeling the only con will be getting used to the switch and not having a fuel gauge.
Great comparison guys .. I love the tuono factory.. KTM an awesome machine that deserves utter respect.. that ride looked great fun and very local to me actually. 👍🏼
i chose the superduke 2019 :)
Entertaining video Mr Chops. Good banter between you and Wombat. Wish i could afford either bike! 🖒
Currently own speed triple 955 and have been flirting with getting one of these. As I'm 6ft4 and 105kg I think the SDR is the best for me. Having a fuel guage will be a treat as well!!
the v4 sound is orgasmic :)
Does it sound nice even stock?
Tuono only
Great review. I have had both. Both are great. And summarized accurately. I like torquing around lazily 40-90mph- with the Superduke. Shifting is purely optional. Torque always available. You can hole shot everybody leaving lights, short-shifting the quick shifter and it just punts you down the road each gear with no law enforcement or frown attracting drama. Good safe no-jail stealth speeding fun.
I also have had a 2014 SDR (2017 now). They 2017 is a very slight bit better: Quick shifter, better gear box, less lugging in 6th gear, slightly stiffer suspension (pretty good for rough roads here,), pulls any of first 5 gears well from 3000rpm and up.
I am 6 6 and have a 2018 Tuono. I put some lever toe peg adjusters on and I fit beautifully (just). The SD felt too upright for me as I wanted more of a sporty ride. Each to their own though I reckon.
Interesting.. could be an easy add on for touring I guess too.
Nice work LC (and the boy Womble). 'Twas another highly enjoyable watch, although I was getting annoyed with that cloudy display on the Tuono when it was given the berries! Honestly, you'd have thought the Aprilia Bods would've managed to avoid them speedo gremlins. With regards to what I'd go for out of these 2 gorgeous machines, I'd probably have the Tuono - if it was a cash-no-object sitch. However, if I wanted a bike that was easier to work on myself; have every day usability; and something that gave me a chance of retaining my licence: it'd be the SD.
Thanks Missy Dee
The Aprilia has got me hooked but it wouldn’t be a Lamb Chop video without sexual innuendo😆
Having ridden all of the super naked in the last few months, I'd say neither. The new KTM is impressive and an absolute beast, but I had 3 different software errors pop up on my test ride. The Tuono has a sweet engine, but is just too committed for my height. I have a Ninja, don't need to be crammed on a naked either. For me the standout was the FZ-10. Especially the SP that you blokes get on that side of the pond.
I heard the MT-10 drinks way more fuel though
How tall are you. 6'4" and really considering the tuono but heard it is cramped.
@@sean5431 I'm 6'2". If you have anything more than a 32 inch inseam you might be really uncomfortable. The new Tuono 1100 is marginally better than the previous generations, but nowhere near the comfort of KTM and Yamaha.
Tuono for me too, if im a good enough rider one day i would love to own one
I'm picking up a 2015 duke this weekend. Sold the cbr600rr last week. I've wanted one for 3 years and found it with only 2,000ks and all the goodies. AP racing exhaust, Carbon bits everywhere the usual stuff. Lowered in the rear and has crash protection all around. I can't wait to take it through the hills here in Victoria.
Lovely, you will love it!
What steering dampener does the black one have?
Test drove the Superduke R last year and was not impressed. Good suspension, tons of power, but agricultural engine, ridiculous gearing, and my nuts were cooking after idling it for 2 minutes... Awesome for a blast, but would not want to own it. Whoever is considering one, go test drive it before purchase!
Nuts coocking? I've got a '17 and it's one of the cooler bikes I have owned, surely cooler than both the triple 1050 and 675 i owned before. Mine has proven unreliable, but that's another story.
@@valebliz Unreliable how? What issues does it have?
@@jonasv19 mine has been a pain in the ass so far. Faulty light block, fault ignition block, faulty QS sensor, faulty clutch master cylinder, faulty rear brake ABS actuator with the rear brake circuit filling up with air no matter how many times you bleed it. This last one still in the process of being resolved. Also a few nuts and bolts rusting with no reason whatsoever considering i keep my bike in a garage and previous bikes never had the same problem. Poor material quality at least on my KTM
dont get me wrong.. that superduke sounds ace... but the Tuono.. MY LIFE!!! :-O
Great video, you and Womble rock!!!
I am Italian, I may be biased, the Tuono is OBVIOUSLY the best bike!
I have a 2019 Superduke and most of the time I'm under 6k rpms. The torque is addicting.
I have the same year. I have my first rev light at 6k, but like you said most of the time I'm under 6k. 1290 supertorque. What a giggle machine.
Ktm for the lads, tuono for the dads
Aprilia wins
I sold the Tuono and bought the 1290 but both are so amazing that you should always get them both at the same time :D
Miss the Tuono. I may change back but we'll see. So amazing bikes that it's so hard to choose from. Shit!
love the sound of the Tuono .👌
Comparing a smooth V4 engine to a raw V twin isnt really fair playing field. The Tuono is a just a naked RSV4 track bike in all its incarnations whereas the SD is a brutal true naked from design. They are chalk and cheese in my opinion, and built to serve different masters depending upon what you want from your ride. good video all the same, good craic ....
I love engineering. The Aprilia is a masterpiece of a V4. I feel like I would lower the pegs a tad and even possibly bring the bars up on one though for the best of both worlds.
I love first gen superduke 1290R, that color in orange+whit/orange wheel+some carbon bits..Ok it sounds awesome, but Aprilia sounds way more better, and i dont like that tft-screen. Of course Aprilia is cool looking bike, but superduke in 1301 V4 would be so epic
Tuono all day every day
He was late because he was too busy out enjoying the bike. 😂 I was shocked when you went with the SDR over the factory
#spoileralert!!!
Mtriple8 haha, I should have said purchased the sdr over the factory. My bad
There both amazing bikes. Not much between them. Great video as always
Hahaha ! Really cool to hear both of you, smelling old ladies
and riding bikes lifes good =D
Great stuff !
tuono anyway of the week absolutely love mine
I adore my RSV4. But I've had significantly more problems than my buddy's S1000rr and the closest dealer is booked a month and a half out. It's time for me to grab an SDR and have a solid bike for every situation, cheaper insurance and better fuel economy. 🤷♂️
Maybe a Tuono someday with the SDR is paid off
Guys i've recently got an RSV4 and i have to say if you are taller than 6 ft, reconsider your options. I measure exactly 6 ft and the seating position is such a tight fit. I recon that taller people will have a hell of a time dealing with cramps. Apart from that, the Aprilia is the best of choices you could ever make.
Dan 1135 I’m 5,11 and found the RSV4 too cramped - amazing machine though
Yeah, one of the best machines out there - i almost always get stares and thumbs up xD. And that absolutely lovely V4 sound man...I am hoping to get a Yoshi slip on and i have already contacted a company to make me a Titanium header. Can't wait.
It is an exact fit for me though since i compensate my height with my upper body.
The question is when comparing the stock KTM with the Aprilia how would you decide?
I’m torn between these two at the moment. They are in the same dealer so I can compare directly, not had time to ride them yet so can’t comment on that, but, I’m sure for my size and style of riding (lazy, more cruising along, mainly in town, with a back pack) the SDR is the better bike for me, but the Tuono noise is something I need to get out of my system. Pretty sure on riding them the SDR torque will win it though, it’s just that Tuono noise though!! It’s so addictive.
What did win for you?
My mate has just got a tuono and I'm about to get a SDR next week. I'm really looking forward to the SDR but his Tuono is absolutely amazing.
Can't wait for our first outting of wheelies
I have a V4 and i'm 6' 2" , my legs are just tucked in the tank, leg angle is a lot sharper than the SD but no real problem there for me, had a first gen tuono which is far more comparable to the SD than the V4. Took a while to get used to it but would not go back to the 2cil mostly because of the reasons womble said... put carbon wheels in the tuono and the result would be different; Great vid by the way.
Super Duke is heart!
V4 every time.
Love this gents! Got to admit, I REALLY miss my 2014 Tuono V4R and have been sorely tempted to try the new Tuono 1100 Factory as I miss the hooligan aspect of riding at times.
That said, I've still not tried the Superduke or Superduke GT! Then there's the new GS coming out in 2019...... aaaaaAAAAAHHHHHHH 😬😂😉
Haha we need a meet up Bruce before the weather turns and you can try my Duke! Quite fancy trying a GS as a polar opposite 😎😎
Lamb Chop Rides You’re on!! When and where Chops?
Lamb Chop Rides You’re on!! When and where Chops?
Tuono sounds ace. Would like to try both but I couldn’t justify either..good work chops!
Well that was very enjoyable to watch chops, thank you. For me the SDR but I could easily make room for a Tuono. The Tuono has it on sound for sure.
Tuono all the way
Tuono sounds sweet and I'm 5' 8" so I'd opt for that. I'd need a step ladder for the KTM, my 1200 Multistrada is bad enough!
I've owned both, there great bikes but the 1290r with a remap is better by far.
I prefer the v4 ,for me its verter like 2 cilinder if ktm
Oh these small UK lanes are making me claustrophobic 😥... I’ll stick to my Oz roads ❤️
Yes they are narrow, but our speed limits are less strict, so we can do 60 mph, which is alot of fun when there's no room for error..
@@grantfoster8833 It definitely increases the sensation of speed.
Lol 😂 I think the same
I enjoyed that vid! Nice work guys & good comparison in the real world! :)
What did he use to record the external sound?
V4 all day long, also not a baked bean can slip on in sight awesome 👏
Its the Zoom H2 recorder
Great Vid lads,I was pondering getting one of them,both great in there own way and hyper fast ,in the end as I’m getting on a bit,I got the speed triple rs,safe bet I thought,did I do the right thing?🤔
Vlogger Cyclecruza’s Bad experience.with his new Italian gal made me check out your video!
You make such great bike reviews!! Keep up the good work!!
There's little doubt that the Tuono is the better sporting bike but in a world of potholed, rutted roads, poor driving standards and a police force who believe the only laws worth enforcing are those associated with speed limits the SD-R with its nod to practicality make it a wiser choice.
Well, I don't know if ither is suited to that scenario. I own a SD 2.0 and finding yourself doing more than 100mph on backroads becomes extremely usual extremely quick.
tuono vs all world 😄 who’ll winn???? tuono forever!!!!!!
I will have one of each please and a new speed triple RS as well, please sort it for me Chops thanks!!
Will see what I can do Neil 😁😁
9:30 Ive only seen that on ancient paintings of the meme walls. I thought It is only a scary story for the children, a legend that has already been forgotten and it cannot hurt you... But there it is, the POLITE vest... 😱
I hope the 790 duke puts enough pressure on aprillia to build a competitor
What about the shiver?
Giorgos Papagiannakis. Not really the competitor to the likes of the street triple and 790 in my opinion
I like the Duke.
Ur up early & im up late good night .
I’m deciding on Duke or Tuono, this is a big help in making my decision. Thank you.
No problem John happy to help :-)
Tuono FTW
I just wrote off my lovely Monster 1100 EVO and am desperately trying to make the Superduke Vs. Tuono choice.
So whats the decission? Also thinking about one of them and cant make my mind - want both!
I drive a Tuono since 1 year after i had a Dorsoduro 1200.I am amazed about the Tuono and with a Akrapovic Exhaust even more.The only contra is the Tuono feels not so save in curves like the Dorsoduro did....
Is there a better sounding bike than that V4? Maybe a Triumph triple?
Hay Lamb Chops, I'm a new sub. Great channel mate.
Thanks Nigel, appreciated buddy :-)
Yamaha r1 is the best sounding bike. And that is even after test riding an rsv4
@@TrulyUniqueOne nah
@@ausingtv yes
Vfr 800 😍
Tuono for me, V4 power wins!
Great review! How did you record the conversation? TIA
1290 has power 80% of the time where the Tunono doesn't have it. The other 20% of the time, the P-to-W ratios are similar. Also considering the gearing on the 1290 is wider, it's a better 175 mph all-rounder.
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And thanks for putting actual quality pipes on those bikes, instead of stupid stubby raspy nonsense like so many people do.
Lifted_Above Tuono? Raspy? wut.
Youv'e never heard those SC Project stubby GP pipes? Those Austin Racing stubby soda-can sized so-called mufflers?
Im with you on the bean can pipes.
Frozen juice concentrate cans? haha
It is true that the SDR has a torquier engine but needs to pull longer gear ratios because it cuts 2000 RPM before her contender which can use shorter ratios to get the same speed so in the end the difference in shove shouldn't be that big.
@cyclecruza here you go
Malcolm Reynolds yeah I don’t think he will have it for long...
cruza is a poser.
V4 sounds loads better.
Cant stop laughin at the Tuono's mirrors. Theyre fkn huge!😆
I agree both fantastic bikes in their own right but for me I'm going with the Tuono soz Chop!!
Aprilia all day long.