Cheapest Gaming PCs - AMD's 2200G and 2400G
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- AMD’s APUs are now out. Both the 2200G and 2400G can game, as well as serving as decent processors for a budget computer. This video summarises everything I think you need to know about them, their design and how we can expect these products to develop in the future.
0:00 - Summary
1:37 - Vega graphics
2:52 - The difference RAM makes
4:07 - Ryzen’s secret to success
5:39 - Ryzen+, but not quite.
6:11 - FUTURE SPECULATION - More powerful chips?!
7:08 - FUTURE SPECULATION - Laptops?!
8:35 - Conclusion
As I don’t have the 2200G or 2400G, I have relied on reviews for information. In order of appearance, check out the full reviews here:
Hardware Unboxed - • Ryzen 5 2400G & Ryzen ...
Guru3D - www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/...
Bit-tech - www.bit-tech.net/reviews/amd-...
Tech Powerup - www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...
Anandtech - www.anandtech.com/show/12425/...
Techspot - www.techspot.com/review/1574-...
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when you stretched the VEGA box, i nearly died
Many people In South Asian countries can't afford all that lavish GPUs because of these reasons.
1) Currency conversion destroys the affordability because different country have different Purchasing power in terms of $.
2) GPUs are considered as a 'luxury' item so upon adding Tax, Import Duties and Shipping cost, many a times people have to pay 150-200% of the actual cost.
So These APUs are like a game changer for People in these countries and will help AMD tap into these untouched Markets
Vatsalya Sharan yeah, right..i'll be buying a 2200g soon..
Vatsalya Sharan I feel u brotha!. I had raised this issue before too. Our shameless govt is only good at taxing & eating money. This has been an issue since a decade or more.
Vatsalya Sharan Agree. Most of us use AMD A-series because of the APU...
I live somewhere in southeast asia and the prices are not too expensive compare to USD but I absolutely agree with you. AMD will be our hero
and don't forget cryptocurrency mining too!
The video I needed for Valentine’s Day
Luis Armenta I actually yelled “YES” alone in my bed, lol.
I didn't realize that the APUs had only one CCX, that explains why we haven't seen a Ryzen 7 APU. I wasn't expecting that explanation from 2kliksphilip considering how many hardware channels I watch.
tfw an integrated graphics card gets more fps in csgo than your own graphics cards
Amd is kicking Intels ass since zen architecture launched and I love it. CPUs where never so cheap for that much power..sadly gpus and ram prices are skyrocket high
Tukan TV
I love competition, but kicking ass aint true. Coffee lake beats ryzen and they rushed that shit out. Atleast AMD is being competitive finally. And threadripper only wins in vaule and not performance and companies who use 20 cores cpu would rather have performace than saving 500$ sometimes. And in gpu terms well. Their "gaming" gpu is a joke compared to a 1080Ti and runs hot as fuck. Hopefully team red can catch up.
Tukan TV thanks to new markets (pubg in china - massive influx of hardware buyers; global wealth going up and more people in generally buying hardware, *) it's so high. I nearly fell of my chair when I saw how much all of that stuff costs now!
Edit: *forgot those crypto miners. Those damn, damn miners...
Intel kicked ThreadRippers and Ryzens series with its 8th gen.
Not even talking about their Xeons, AMD is nowhere close to achieve the power level of Intel.
The only advantage of AMD is that it will use same socket till 2020, meanwhile intel will change it every second gen or something.
Also Ryzen sucks for CS:GO. Intels i3 beats Ryzen 5 1600 in most games, especially in CS:GO.
Meanwhile the $300 i7-8700K beats $999 Threadripper 1950x in workstation tasks and gaming overall.
Exaco Coffe Lake is Intel's latest generation architecture and an unfair comparison to the at this point old first generation Zen architecture. That's why they rushed Coffe lake - so these comparisons would be made. I'll be waiting on Ryzen 2 (Zen+ 12 nm) coming in April and then decide. Also, Ryzen is still faster at multi-threaded work loads (PCs aren't just used for gaming you know...)
Exaco I cannot imagine a 6 core CPU beating a 16 core CPU in workstation loads. Proof?
As higher-end gpu tech has kinda stagnated over the past couple of years (for various reasons), I've become more and more fascinated with lower end hardware.
The consolidation of gpu grunt alongside power/heat optimisation is super impressive in this chips. I don't think we've ever had a better entry point for PC gaming (RAM not withstanding).
Hardware unboxed is the best!! They really know how to do massive amounts of benchmarking right.
chen howard steve is a mad lad
God I love how you upload in 4k. All TH-camr's should.
2 things:
- Pls don't put 8 or 11 cores. It's 8 or 11 CUs, or, 512 or 704 cores
- Nice vid
Um, he actually did put Compute Units in the spreadsheet when he was comparing with Vega 56 and 64... Stop trying to flex your GPU knowledge lol
Very great value video.
Wish you could hit 10 mins so you're channel grows and more people can see this.
I've been watching both you're cs related videos and did research for new processors and gpus to build a pc and I found you're video.
Already saw the vid you have suggested, and I gotta say that you do add a but more value by telling more about Ryzen cpus and how they are built and that was interesting to watch.
Good video. I do find it interesting to see how compact quality tech is becoming. Hopefully these things appear frequently in laptops.
They shoud've totally named these 2200V(ega) and 2400V(ega)and released them on valentines day
Philip.... I love you.... there’s that
this video actually helped me as i'm comparing systems in my games development class and a pre-built pc a selected uses the 2200G
7:12
Here in the future I have a $400 laptop with Ryzen 3 3200u, the mobile version with Vega 3. I've only encountered one game in my whole steam library that is completely unplayable. We're in the future boys
not gonna lie; I'd love to see a TR processor with only 2 ccx's dedicated to cpu (such that it would be an octocore), and the rest (so the 6 other ccx's, spread out over the "non-functional" dies) would just be vega. I mean, there wouldn't be a use case for it (not one that I can think of, at least), but imagine a threadripper processor with 8 cores and 66(!) vega cores. Just sounds cool af.
You forgot some HBM.
Burn baby burn!
Will never happen... Goes outside the point of a apu... Price/cost :P
That would burst into fucking flames when used
Vampire never said it would. Mostly just a fun idea.
Very good video. Interesting and optimistic
Your voice is so relaxing... bonus. New subscriber!
6:25 if you want bigger vega apu you need much more memory channels. everything above 11 compute units would require a board with much more mem channels and mem slots where you would be expected to cram a bunch of 2gb high frequency sticks
Hey Philip, i know you probably won't see this and probably don't remember me but I met you half a week ago in a subway in the Netherlands. I just want to say thank you for the selfie you let me take. That really boosted my confidence cause im going through a hard time lately. Well I hope I can see you again at Cologne. Best wishes a REALLY big fan.
Thanks alot, I had a great time. They have a lot of interesting Museums there that I would recommend. I never would have thought that I would meet you in person and was just stunned the rest of the week how lucky I was. Originally found you through Facepunch via a thread that wasn`t pleased with your tutorials. Been a fan since.
Well I could write for hours but I don't wanna bother you. I'm sending you the best wishes for the future from germany and I hope to see you again maybe in the future.
My name is Thomas btw!
I like the ambient music in the background. It's like a metal gear cut scene or something.
Cats are like RAM: They can take a fall or two.
Honestly.... would've been a great upgrade for me but I only had ddr3 ram
I think he's onto something...
Would have been funnier if you flipped the words and said ram are like cats. My opinion.
Why not just put 37492 GTX Titans and 383936 AMD Threadrippers in one APU? Then we could finally run Factorio at 144p
But you'd need an absurd amount of RAM for that, probably something like 8MB.
Audixas No problem, just slap on some RAM on the APU, and you're ready to finally run Minesweeper at 0p, no settings, 0FPS, doesn't it sound amazing?
Hell yeah, since were there why not turn it into a vibrator aswell, so then you can get your cooch chooching while playing minesweeper!
Sadly, my laptop can't run factorio anymore since my intel pentium 4 laptop isnt 64 bit and steam dropped 32 bit support
Much love for hardware unboxed
Thanks Philip I needed this
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Cool, hopefully these will some day be part of everyday computers, allowing for everyone to get into gaming on PC
I'm watching you
TwistedEyeErnest locking all the doors and windows
Rident Hopefully not. What you save in up front cost you lose in performance, upgradeability, and resale value.
TheSpoonKing thats actually if you buy intel... Ryzen doesnt perform significantly worse that intel tp be a deal breaker, and it even beats it. Ryzen has value like never seen before and it will be futureproofing at least until 2020
Would be nice to See a 8 core APU with bigger Vega CU's on a Threadripper socket
Well that would be pretty dumb.
I'd rather see a Combined CPU + GPU fiber like the AMD+Intel APU solution for laptops.
That could technically give you GTX 1050ti-1060 Performance at an Affordable level.
Most people don't have a TR compatable Mobo. And I'd rather see AMD come up with a solution for Laptops, since at TR and Ryzen 5 1600 (and above) pricepoints: Most people will buy dedicated Graphics.
i was about to buy a 1200, i think im going for the 2200 now
brunocar doesn't make sense if you are going to get a GPU as well
yes it does 2200g has a better architecture and costs the same
It makes big sense to buy 2200G over 1200; better cpu performance, cheaper, support higher memory speeds, and 'free' GPU :)
its not part of zen+, its a stepping stone
that said, i dont know what MOBO to get, since it seems none of the current atx and micro atx for AM4 that is less than 80 dollars dont come with the BIOS update necessary so maybe i'll need to buy a 1200 and upgrade to something else later
This video is 9:11 long, hmm...
911 was a part time job.
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Philip did 911
Holy shit! Someone call mattpatt!
you couldnt sleep again i see, just like me :/ good luck. and hope to meet you at the next esl one after show party again.
Yeah it’s crazy I’ve seen some reviews that weren’t too impressed with it but when I first started gaming on a budget HP laptop in 2013 to get this level of performance even at 720P would have been amazing.
New upcomming manufacturing scale could probably enable them to fit six cores and a vega unit into a simmilar space that four cores and a vega unit nowadays. No reason to make the processor chip litself larger just for that.
Anyways, the progress is great when it comes to CPU's and GPU's. Only if the prices stablizied. (GPu's and RAM's). And thanks for an informative video!
Currently watching on a HP Pavillion 15 Laptop. While I'm not looking for new gaming laptops (since I already have this one which handles decently and a new PC that can max out all I would ever want on 1080p) I want it to thrive as the convenience is amazing, especially with close by gaming friends and being a holiday traveller. Maybe one day I will be able to cross the seas and skies and still have access to an arsenal of high quality games. I guess for now I need to stick with 30/60 fps low/medium/sometimes high (depending on game, which is made worse by the screen's terrible downscaling which can only handle native 1080p without making the keyboard unusable) with something greater to return to.
Was gonna buy but remembered ddr4 ram is 70$ for only 4gb...
Heh not anymore in romania
I bought 2 2666 sticks for 40 bucks
I mean it decreased in price which is good
This is awesome! 130 fps in csgo is around the same thing I'm getting with a Ryzen 1200 and a R7 260X. The 2200 is $150 here but soon it'll get cheaper.
I saw your videos about the journey of making a Game and I just wanted to ask if you can program properly in a text based programming language?
I miss the old ATI Radeon x200 in my Athlon single core 1.8 ghz gateway. Now that is a quality APU
Interesting...
St1ll n0t d3ad
HBM Memory on the APU would help the most
Yeah, now if only the Godamm miners stop jacking up the GPU prices!
I wish it still had 8MB cache, it helped for RAM-intensive projects.
Time to upgrade!
I love HardwareUnboxed!!
But why aren’t you talking about the new intel + vega stuff? You should make a video about that too. ^^
You said in the amd gpu video that you wished that Vega and zen mixed.
Your wish came true
I have a 1700x and I kinda want to buy one for a mini pc...
Let me also add that overclocking your RAM with APU's is very very benefitial.
This will be great for smaller builds.
Finally a challenger to my Iris 6200!
gizmondo69 it destroys iris
Wouldn't say challenger, there is no contest, AMD pulls way ahead.
Now about the Ryzen 5 3400G
2400G would work really well for anyone looking to build a system now, but plans on upgrading as soon as GPU's go down to normal prices. Unlike the 2200G, the 2400G is nearly as strong as an i7 6700 and will be capable of play modern games no problem for the foreseeable future.
here's a crazy idea. VRAM DIMM slots on the motherboard. upgradeable vram without having to buy an entirely new graphics card.
The sad part is that i get less fps in cs with my fx 8350 and gtx 1060, at first i tough it was a bottleneck but then i found out it was a cs only thing.
Jusu your 8350 is definitely a bottleneck for cs
i'm getting a ryzen 1600 soon, then again i have not played cs for 1,5 years
In the BIOS what is the best GFX Clock Frequency setting please?
i just wanna see a benchmark of a system using all possible ram and hybrid crossfire with an amd gpu
A ThinkPad or System76 with a 2400G would be fantastic
AMDs new 2200G is a great option for a low cost Media PC, Moives, Netflix, General stuff & light gaming, and can be upgraded every year without the $2000 guilt of a full fledged rig.(And when u factor in the Insane GPU prices these days) Fantastic little product! =)
Threadripper/epyc layout with vega cores doitdoitdoit.
GTX 1060 6GB on PCPartPicker are at *+350$* now.
100$ More expensive than last year but a far cry from January (+500$)
It's slowly going back to normal.
The key difference between the laptops the APUs are currently in and the ones with say a GTX1050 or rx550 isnt just a price to performance thing. Its a weight and thickness thing too, they can fit in the chassis of a normal thin and light without much thermal strain.
although, they could make the quietest gaming laptop in the world if you used cooling for a gaming laptop on it.
Something else to note, i think they were going for as much as 200 dollars less before christmas and then by christmas they went up. They are definitely cheaper to produce i think its just difficult for the manufacturers to keep up.
Also i went to best buy and its definitely one of the better deals they have on their shelves. And realistically if you dont have the money to buy a high end gaming laptop your probably going to get a shitty laptop as a gift anyways. the only laptops in or under the price range of the APU laptops are either shitty FX based ones or Kaby lake Hyperthreaded dual cores with the same amount of ram and storage and no graphics to speak of.
Hardware Unboxed? ;)
So would it be good to invest it all on the CPU, cooler and RAM and skip the GPU?
I'm planning to get the 2200g. Better than my phenom ii lol
I can still recommend the FX 8350 for eSports games
i kept telling my friends about these when i first heard of them, and they keep not caring
How would putting the 'APU' into a pc case work? New to APU's so just wondering
Its a processor that fits in the ryzen socket it just has better on cpu integrated grafixs than a regular cpu.
Oryon what.. you put it in the motherboard socket..
Полиграфович sorry if it sounded stupid lol I'm an amateur on pc builds
Oryon don't be sorry Полиграфович thinks all 8 billion people know how computers are built
Abbas Bhaijibhai go fuck yourself
You forgot to mention that the cache is reduce as well when the CPU only has one CCX. That's why 4+0 is not always better than 2+2
Give me a r5 1600 version of the apu with 6 scores and I would agree. But in all honesty 4 cores will be going out (since intel i5 is 6 core trust me game devs program for that) it might be a year or two. Mainly stating because when you watch these videos of the fps the cpu is getting either really close or already pegged at 100%.
What site do you use to download more RAM?
even though i've built the best pc i think i could now, this is an interesting topic, if anything just to learn about them
These would be perfect for my dad.
Doesn't seem like integrated Vega 11 is that much of an upgrade from my discrete GTX 650 especially with the cost of buying fast enough ram to make the most use out of it. Guess I'l be sticking with old hardware for a few more years at least.
I kind of want to buy one just because I really want this to become the norm. Music fans don't buy Sound Cards, why should gamers have to buy Graphics Cards? I just really hope we get more, better options in the future
I hope the new Ryzen processors will allow for 6 or 8 core laptops.
Philip Hanhurst Acer swift 3?
aldo s No, I mean a Ryzen chip with more than 4 cores.
Philip Hanhurst it can happen these are apus not cpus
to be fair a laptop with a r7 already exists. its a desktop chip though
PLEEAASSSEE
Clevo come on.. I need a laptop with this kind of performance.. pls
Wait... I tought LowSpecGamer makes these kinds of Videos?
wait so should i get a 1600x or 2400g im confused because the 1600x is rated higher in passmark (cpu benchmark website)
hardwareunboxed
if you later buy say a rx 580 or something could you run the inbuilt graphics in crossfire with the gpu?
Broken leaf No
Is it really THAT budget especially when Dual-Channel memory gives far better performance than Single Channel though? RAM Pricing is a bit high and 8GB won't be enough since you'd want to set 2GB of VRAM to the GPU if you want playable performance.
I also liked the review from hardware Unboxed the most... Only wished they tested csgo on most played resolutions, without anti aliasing, or multisampling because it kills the game on this low budget configs...
Do you think this is the direction home consoles will go ?
Amd go 2600g and 2800g on 95w in 2018!!!
Are there any laptops that use these? They seem like a good match.
The Ancient Mariner I have no idea :p . But I'd like to know as well.
Could i have a gpu and use vega graphics as well?
This processors are so cool... and the best thing of it: Its an gpu+cpu in 1
Wow now I feel really ripped off, having gone the used gtx 750 route.
That being said, I would have had to buy new ram and a mobo too.
These APUs are great, but they have so powerful graphics, that they are memory limited.
Even 2200G with overclocked iGPU hits the memory bottleneck way before reaching it's full potential.
i really need to invest in AMD stocks
The future is now. Hopefully this will encourage more people to switch to PC
How about G4560 for comparison?
Is Destruction Darius 2 complete?
l am sorry l dont realy understand does it means it has cpu and gpu all in one?
With the current ram prices you can better get an old i7-3770 with cheap ddr3 ram and mobo with a gt 1030 or rx550
And I used a laptop with amd a6 apu for 6 years from 2011.
It was good in 1st 2 years and then drivers died.
Finally, a CPU I can mine with!
Mine with?
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ayy lmao you can mine with cpus that don’t have onboard graphics...
Please no...
Mining is killing PC gaming.
i still think a g4560 with a gt 1030 is a better product, you can sell the gt 1030 for a future upgrade, and ram prices, aaand because the vega uses 2 gb of ram and you have to buy 16gb to be safe in dual channel, they need to start to sell 6gb ram slots, so you dont need to buy 2x4gb or 2x8gb, but 2x6gb
i will have to buy a new pc, new intel or amd is out for me, i will import a x79 board and a used server cpu from aliexpress, everything else is too expensive, lga 2011 is quad channel and use ddr3, same speed as ddr4.
But i agree with your point about ryzen upgrade against intel.
My future setup:
cpu- e5 2640 (6c/12t, 2,5ghz) = 52$
mobo- x79 huanan v2.49 = 104$
ram- ddr3 ecc 1600mhz 4x4gb = 15*4= 60$
and some import taxes
Previously I was only excited about AMD's shit because I thought maybe intel would step up (or down, in price), but this is actually really fuckin cool