Our Ryzen APU Tests didn't go so well...
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- It was a long weekend of testing... unfortunately our testing is inconclusive and will need to be redone once AMD can figure out why our sample is not working properly.
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I was going to buy a 1080, but I decided I needed both kidneys.
overused joke
Dialysis isn't too bad. And for both Kidney's I'd expect 1080 Ti's in SLI with a 2800X (stolen from AMD's secret lab)
nateo200 but you will need to grow new kidneys when these components brake after few years
no you can sale one kidney
Eren Yaehger nice
Pro tip. If you are going to make an office computer where you don't need a discreet GPU, make sure the motherboard has video outputs.
this
Haha spot on. I was drunk when I bought an ASrock a320 without paying attn to the fact that it didn't have integrated video output. Had to return it and get one that did with my Ryzen 5 2400g that I got with bent pins. Now I gotta return it and have NewEgg replace it lol.
I feel like you are speaking from experience...
Ohh I was. I caught the mistake the day after ordering. I called the store and was able to modify the order before they shipped it, so all ended well.
hey dblefistinyourass WHO GETS DRUNK AND GOES PC COMPONENT SHOPPING? :clue,it rhymes with moronic dumbass alcoholic turdburgler
Pretty sweet value compared to what we had before!
If a quadcore CPU suffices for the person, sure, then go ahead and buy it and maybe upgrade it later. The problem for me is that you can't get more than 4 cores on this platform which strongly limits the group of people to whom it is interesting. I think for example about console emultors, HTPC's (without videoptimization like madVR) and students who don't need much hardware and buy/build their first PC. It is good value/money, maybe even great value/money, but not interesting for those who desire/need more CPU cores or more powerful graphics, also because it has to make do with DDR4 (much lower bandwidth). In short, I've got mixed feelings.
wait for the ryzen 7 version, it'll fix most of these issues. With GPU prices the way they are right now this is actually a great option for everything 1080p high or below
+flashkillpro the ryzen 7 version will still only have 4 cores, since it is a single CCX in Raven Ridge
Its designed as budget option. Did You expect it to be comparable to 1050? Its 170$ I think - if You want decent CPU and GPU then You have to be willing to spend more.
yes but the need for 6 cores in most gaming uses is very very limited and will only be implemented in the next 3 to 5 years. For now having 4 fast cores is the optimum so its fine. Also these are budget cpus for budget gamers so they're still great value. I understand your point im just saying that 6 cores is a bit overkill right now and that 4 cores with more cache and clock speed will outperform 6 or 8 core cpu's with slower clock speeds in 95% of games today ;)
Why don't you build the 2400g with the b450 pro wifi and 3000 vengeance ram and actually test the app properly
So youre telling me APUs can be used for gaming.......... and cost less than most consoles?
WHY ARENT WE FUNDING THIS?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!??!?!1!/1/!/1?!?!?
MOTO/R/SPORT NEJ
consoles are just AMD APUs, lol.
Because the cost of a pc using apus still aren't cheaper, and perform worse.
Yep..... that's why I went with a Xbox One S for my HTPC instead of building a HTPC, despite having next to no interest in playing xbox games.
hard to build something for 200 bucks.... in this case, you play 100 for the CPU, 100 for a motherboard...... and still need a power supply, case, ram(, bluray drive).....
Max Mustermann ya but just buy an old ps3 or x360 if all you're doing is watching Netflix etc.
I'm not watching netflix and "apps" for those two console suck hard anyway. I'm using PLEX. Which has apps available for PS4 and Xbox One. Also I can use it as a 4K Bluray player.
360 doesn't play bluray at all, PS3/PS4 don't play 4K content.
Honestly, for watching netflix with the comfort of an 360, I wouldnt need any additional device at all, my TV is already able to do that..... it even has a dedicated netflix button....
Netflix sucks balls.
Now we just need duel socket mobos so we can sli the apu.
Typical best stupid idea. Even though you know it's dumb, you still want to see it happen.
Those exist.
Nuvokid i would buy a threadripper apu with sli 580 level vega
Arcade Party crossfire*
sli amd?? lol
Gotta love AMD products for consumers.
Jan Pedersen Good stuff, I love AMD. Instead of only releasing really expensive high end stuff only (Nvidia) or the same CPUs year after year (Intel), AMD is great for consumers.
Great video, It is almost there - at the very least, a playable solution (somewhat) as opposed to GPU pricing. You make the best videos man - really appreciate your channel. Cheers buddy!
Ram wont really return to normal. Atleast, not now. The ram pricing reflects the increase in it's raw material. It cost more to make and so it is only natural that they are sold at a higher price. GPU however have no reason to have been subjected to almost a 100% price increase. It is ridiculous.
I would recommend a i5 2400 and a gt 1030
1030 looks awful (GamerNexus tested just such a setup). It's easy to say, and not much help, but if you can't build a decent rig, you pretty much can't game! - or at least the experience will always be compromised. If you have to run 720 with low settings..... go buy a playstation.
You absolutely can game. I’m still using a i7 2600 with a gtx770 and games run just fine.
And quickly googling "compare gtx770 with gt 1030" reveals that in benchmarks the 770 massively outperforms the 1030 - EG double the frame rate for CS-GO!
1st hit on google:
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-770-vs-Nvidia-GT-1030/2174vsm283726
I'd say just 'fine' is about right, PUBG at 4k would be a stretch - my GTX970 machine runs around 60-80 fps on high settings at 1080, whereas my GTX1080Ti spits out around 110-120 fps on ultra at 4k. i'm sure your 770 would be just fine (60+fps) at 1080 with judiciously tweaked gfx settings. but the 1030... not so much.... unless pubg supports 640x480! :-)
This was a godsend for me in 2021🤣 gpu prices or so ridiculously high
Groundbreaking hardware needs time to mature
Will AMD's APU be better than Intel's iGPU?
Yes. Duh. I just hope they can work out these kinks in the system.
MunkeyChips What..? Why answer your own question, when you were asking the comments section?
I was just pointing out the obvious for the helluvit...
Intel will have Ryzen integrated graphics soon enough.
Tiger, have they announced that or are you speculating? I know Intel is buying Vega GPUs for discrete graphics in their laptops but that's not the same thing.
Yeah, I meant to say Vega integrated graphics. The 5 SKUs for Intels Core i7 G products should only be the beginning. I expect Vega to be integrated in its desktop SKUs soon enough. Anything could happen in the mean time if the two corporations sour their business relationship. But, I expect Raja Koduri to be the buffer as intended.
Just as I'm about to sleep, damn. I'm so glad I built my PC around 8 months ago, even if it is just a 1050ti, still runs great for everything I need!
YTS
Built mine more than a year ago, when it is more affordable to have 32GB of RAM.
I use a 1050 Ti too, it's a really good card.
Built mine in may. I bought a asus 1080 for 488 and last time I looked it nearly doubled in price.
Tom the Fish - Damn good deal👍
Frederic A. Truslow i built mine in mid decembet, got a 1060 armor OC 6gb, about 320$ i think (but thats in the balkan where price at least 1/4 more than what it is in the usa.
Iam loving it. I hope that can bring more ppl to pc gaming with budget builds.
As an Intel guy i'm just gonna say that i don't see these issues hurting this product as for it's potential, many many products might see some issues due to poor support and optimization with software, this seems to be a bios thing, do the test again when it's updated, looks like a solid product actually.
Nice to see you jumping around talking smack for no reason Jerry. Go fuck off somewhere else
Jerry C Actually I have 0 problems with my Ryzen 5 2600
Edit: Yup one month later still going fine
@@cefirodewinter9086 what mobo do u use??
Now a year later its amazing and improved without crashes and the ingame buzz crash was fixed with driver update.
It's more of amd is good but developers are still more on Intel optimizing . But hey things are getting competitive now so I expect things to be better for the consumers soon .
"video card prices suck" if only he knew what was coming...
I think ryzen 3 2200g is more interesting than the 2400g.cause its giving almost similar performance of gt 1030(slightly slower) but an very interesting price point of 99$.
A similar cpu+gpu config
G4560+ gt 1030 = 160$
Ryzen 3 2200g = 99$
Yes its a bit slower than the gt 1030 but I'm saving 60$ here
With 60$ i can also go for a budget b350 mobo like asrock b350m or gigabyte one's which is also oc capable.
You should never even consider the GT1030.
i slammed one into my uncles ultra budget pc and he can run borderlands 2 40-60fps with everything set to med-high and with physX on medium
Benchmark scores for these APUs are very inconsistent across reviews. Some have the APUs neck and neck with the GT1030 and RX550, while others have the APUs trailing with all sorts of stuttering and 1% issues. Once you factor in the fact the APUs need high rated dual channel RAM kits while discrete builds are perfectly happy with slow-ass single sticks, it all becomes a huge mess that needs an Excel spreadsheet the size of Hawaii and a few days with a supercomputer to work out what you should have bought before all the prices changed and *ARGHHHHHHHHHH*
+Stoner Walrus if you put physx on low you can get the other settings to high/max physx causes a lot of frame drops as its buggy in that game
+Stoner Walrus Use the Nvidia control panel to force Physx to CPU processing - that'll disabled PhysX in BL2 and it'll run *much* better. That game is buggy AF.
I'm gaming without one at the moment , i would need to sell one of my kidneys to afford one at the moment.
I just picked up a Geforce Gt1030 2Gb for $100 at best buy. Made a huge difference playin World of Warcraft, No crashing since i put it in and running 80-100fps. They had some for $50, that's what i got my son. He hasn't crashed either.
Old Radeon HD7770 or HD7850 are probably best cards for "little" money. Im using 7850 on my ghetto 4k rig, but it is really good for 1080p gaming.
Cody Pettigrew
And I believe it would not even handle Total War games or even Space Engineers without having poorer graphics quality than consoles.
$100 for a 1030? Just checked the prices..... damn.... worst I've seen yet.
I'm so fucking glad I bought my RX480 8GB in 12/2016....
Why is that so hard to believe? Never said I was running at full graphics. But definitely not at the lowest where I was running & my computer hasn't crashed since I put it in. Its way better than what I did have, no graphics card at all lol
AMD APUs > Intel iGPUs
Water = H2O
Pubg>fortnite
4:37 LOL, I love his reactions, so legit.
These nightmarish experiences are as important as the benchmarkings and comparisons. It's what early adopters of brand new technology/products usually deal with: all those crashes and things not working as they should. It is very important for everyone to realize that this is happening or can happen specially during the first weeks. Thanks for sharing, Jay!
Talk to Linus Tech Tips, they got one working. Dont remember the mobo they used tho.
Michael Collins I'm over 13 so I don't watch much ltt .
Michael Weiss Jay knows LTT so they could talk. Just sayin
Michael Collins Most of the tech guys know each other, they have a different audience. Many people watch lots of tech channels but have some favorites, personally Linus is a house painter turned salesman, he learned that capitalism works, good for him! But I want info from experienced hands on people, Linus is a showman and there is a audience for it, hope he makes huge cash, he's just not for me... Then again I have been in computers since the Amega, I'm 62 fuckin years old !
Michael Weiss R u really 62? How are people in ur age group in the west when talking about tech? My parents & their colleagues are in 50s & still brag how 2Mbps is high speed internet & 4gb ram is a luxury. They are even technicians by the way.
b888 I was on a 9600 baud modem, that was fast till I went up to 1440 then 56k, today that would take forever to load a web page, I'm actually a month younger than Bill Gates.
Not in my sub box. Thanks twitter ;)
i agree with Jay until the GPU prices come down ALOT to the point that buying a prebuilt system is as much as buying a new GPU card alone the AMD Integrated GPU chip is good enough for a start into pc gaming
start is very different from wanting to play a triple A game at max settings as for playing at max setting on most games you will need a card with at least 1 GPU and its own RAM to use
yumri4 so u got it? How does it do things
The rx580 is super cheap though ....
im back here cuz of 2020 and 2021, anyone els?
hi Jay (sorry for bad english)
I too have an inadequate grasp of the English language.
Sure Lock Even i can not make use of sophisticated words.
but that was perfect english
I, as well, am less capable of forming sounds from the lexicon of the language commonly know by its speakers as “English”, and express my sorrow to you for the purpose of notifying you of my incapability.
it's ok, if he can click bait you can have bad English ;)
It much more seems like a MSI problem than an AMD problem to me. So far MSI is the weak link on the AM4 platform, the most problems with system crashes and DOA's and the last to get memory at a certain clock frequency with certain timings compatible. MSI blames AMD for being too late with giving data but other companies seem to handle it better. A matter of how much resources you invest in it?
ASRock performed best in the first 2 months after the launch of Ryzen, no doubt about that! The first week several reviewers reported 3200/3600 MT/s on the ASRock AM4 Taichi. Asus came second, Gigabyte third and MSI was a hazard. Later Asus caught up well, I would guess that at the moment it is a tie between Asus and ASRock and it depends on what die you use. In forums you notice that most of the guys who are reporting problems for AM4 with either the RAM frequency (not even getting it to 2933 or 3166 MT/s) or the stability use a MSI motherboard, however the reviewers complained a lot about MSI to in the first weeks; many DOA's, having trouble to get it to work. I think it is due to a combination of being used to get much more time to sort it out and not having enough people to work on it.
My advice: buy either a X370 Asus Prime Pro ($140) or a AM4 Taichi ($200), both are great motherboard with regard to the hardware and deliver good value/$. The Taichi has a bit of a user manual (UEFI) but the RAM-support is good and the VRM's are excellent. The Asus Prime Pro is the cheapest motherboard with good enough VRM's for any next generation Zen CPU.
I don't know to what extend the hardware made the difference, I do know that the experts (like the computer scientists and consultants from Level1Techs) were very much impressed by the AM4 Taichi from ASRock. Anyway, be it hardware or software, with regard to hardware AS Rock and Asus both offer good options for a reasonable price. That is in my opinion one of the big problems for MSI on AM4, they don't offer such good hardware and the RAM support is crappy, even now still many users don't get above 2600 MT's wiht 3000/3200 MT/s binned modules , that is sad, on Asus and AS Rock 2933 MT/s is pretty much guaranteed if your module is binned for it.
The last few years I have the strong impression that MSI and Gigabyte consider AMD to be a lower tier platform for which they can offer less value than for the Intel and Nvidia platforms. I noticed this with the RX 480 (MSI reused the for Pascal designed shrouts, the heat sinks didn't overlap the GPU and RAM and as a consequence the card got hot and loud), the RX 580 (same story, even for their higher tier Gaming X card) and for AM4. Gigabyte did a bit better for the RX 580 and AM4 but you notice the same trend. Asus slipped up for the RX 480, their RX 580 and AM4 was fine. Obviously Ryzen and Polaris don't deserve to bet treaten as a second-tier platform, these CPU's and GPU's are very much competitive with what Intel and Nvidia have to offer, this is no Bulldozer.
My point of view: I look at how well the companies performed for several products of the last generations. MSI is out, I don't give them a chance for a while until they show improvement for at least 2 generations, Gigabyte is low on my list. For the graphics cards I favor Sapphire (excellent 580 and Vega), XFX and Asus, for the motherboards ASRock and Asus.
Yes, it takes some maze-solving to change the setings for the ASRock motherboards but at least you can get everything done. Personally I would chose the Asus Prime Pro X370 given the quality/price. The quality is not top notch but it certainly is better than any other
Haven't watched one of these in a while
Señor Squiggles And i dont kniw any Son of tech
Well, that started well (don't use a video card in your nextbuild!)
I still think it's great for what it is (easily the best thing for affordable PC gaming coming out in a long time)
I thought it was a 2021 video because he mentioned GPU prices 🤣
That "0" on the Rise of the Tomb Raider. Lmao!
Check out Hardware Unboxed video on Ram allocation for iGPU
Changing GPU memorry on the bios will not affect performance . you obivously had some other issue here...
How so? Jay seemed to be the only major tech influencer with any problems.
I wonder how the system memory setting... speed the memory to 3200Mhz...
Thats exactly what happened to me with MSI Fm2+ board. They told me that more graphic card memory could be allocated in next bios revision. 3 years later ... no update !!
Dumb question, but could you combine the power of the cpu graphics with a gpu? Or are they totally separate? It would be cool if a 1050 with 2gb of vram could get a boost, for example.
I love how AMD says that their APU's deliver enthusiast-class performance without a dGPU 😂
I just hope that miners won't buy every gtx2xxx-series GPU once they are out, so that we don't have the same ridicilous pricing as before
The ones upgrading their older cards will fill the market with "cheap" GPUs I think.
Iura Bordei might be, but consider that you won't know whether the used GPU you see on ebay belonged to a normal person wishing to upgrade, or a miner who wants to get rid of a card that's been running 24/7 for like the last 2 years
Winchestarr maybe nvidia will put some type of anti mining or something in the card to stop them
That's true, but if they are "dirt cheap", I mean ridiculously cheap on the used market, they might be even worth to try out
FeenFeenn spoiler:they wont. They care about sales, not who buys them
Sadly the price of ram here in Australia is horrible, 16gb of that flare x ram is ~$345-$389 AUD (USD ~$270-$313) and it isn't just the flare x memory, its all ddr4
If you want a pc for a decent price in 2018, go Sandy Bridge and DDR3. It’s honestly the only way
Top end Corsair is $250 US down the road from me. What government policies cause you to have high prices and a slow internet
Do you need 16gb? Do you do video render or content creation? If so fair enough.
Try gaming while multitasking. Discord, youtube, etc.
16GB is bare minimum for gaming in 2018.
Justin Baughman Discord i do easily on 8gd DDr4 2666mhz and game at the same time. Do you really watch youtube whilst gaming? A web Browser isn't gonna smash your CPU and RAM hard unless you have alot of instances running and no page file....Corsair 8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4 2666MHz 2x 4GB Skylake i5 6400. Its the same reason i got an i5 rather than i7 for the price increase vs the performance increase its not worth it unless you do content creation or video (like adobe after effects etc). You are talking about 11% for a doubling of price. Your resolution you game at, the type quality and size of the VRAM on your GPU, the titles you play and settings all make a significant difference. 16gb won't be common or necessary for a few years yet. I'd buy a bigger or faster SSD, especially as Game sizes are increasingly massively.
"Less distractions" on a fully rgb keyboard...
Interesting to see just how playable games are with the extra memory and overclock, something which Linus didn't show or mention. Looks very powerful indeed!
ty, hard work much appreciated.
Why not just get something like a used GTX 970? You can find them for $150 on ebay.
Sammyzuko Power consumption, and price
Power consumption is fine, compared with the cards of its tier, the price is around low to mid $200's right now though, the cards that sold on ebay
Tell me about the free CPU that comes with every used GTX 970.
Point was you can get a competent video card that isn't very expensive even in the age of crypto. Or just buy a couple Litecoin, wait a few months, and pick up a 1080 Ti ;)
Why is no one wondering how setting 2GB dedicated memory makes a difference? It shouldn't. What happens when the frame buffer is full? Stuff gets written to system memory instead which is slower. But in this case, both are the same. So it should not matter at all. In fact it should be the best to just set the dedicated graphics memory to as low as possible. So when you're doing graphically low intensity stuff you don't just lose 2GB of system memory.
So how is this kind of result possible?
Jay, could you test with 32MB UMA? This would be too low for basically anything right? So it would be forced to basically always write to system memory.
Exactly! I was just about to type a similar comment until I saw yours. I was scratching my head when Jay said setting a larger buffer made any difference whatsoever. All you're doing by setting it higher is limiting the amount of RAM Windows can use for other things when it's not required for the GPU. Windows memory management is pretty damn good. When using an iGPU I always set this to the lowest possible amount, and let Windows do it's own thing with memory allocation.
Yup. There was just a hardware unboxed video on this.
Interesting...so how did they get two different results?
Now lets say you allocated... 4GB instead of 2GB? I bet there is even more room for performance gain.
You can only put 2GB of ram for the cpu i think
"Graphics card prices suck!" *Laughs in availability*
Anybody have any thoughts on a230 Pro plus motherboard for this?
This should have been tested on older, lighter titles, like esports.
Not necessarily.
Csgo is a resource hog but to me 120fps is choppy in it
Love the idea of the apu, great video thanks jay
I sold my old RX480 for 400€ a few days ago and got a new 1070Ti for 570€ on the way.
still masively price hiked by cryptocurrencies. got my 1070ti maybe a month ago for 100 euro less.. and I got the MSI gaming version, not the cheapest out there.
True, but you have to keep in mind that I got my 480 for 260€ 1 year ago. So I effectively paid 430 for a 1070Ti while using a RX480 for a year for free.
How does this have anything to do with the topic of the video?
Sir Delta not miners but RAM shortages is why GPUs are out of stock. GPUs would be out of stock anyways and were $30 more before miners bought them out stop blaming the miners since gamers would've bought out the GPUs too eventually
Literally the first sentence of the video.
This was my experience with the Ryzen 5 2400G. I bought it this year for the low cost of $139 on Newegg. Tried it's VEGA APU, overclocked it, ran into a lot of instability.
Eventually I just stuck my Aorus GTX 1660 Ti into the system disabled the APU, OC the CPU to 4GHz and called it a day.
And.... Does that work?
I know that this video is about the desktop APU parts, but I'm excited for the laptop U sku's.
The ability to decently run games ON THE GO without needing to break the bank on a $1500 gaming laptop.
2019
Hope the GPU market gets better soon
2021
Well
Jay no need to apologize that's what u were doing U.A.TESTING TO see what's what. Appreciate the Vid.
Selling like a god church
Hungry for Apples I've heard this somewhere
Actual lyrics from Jake Paul's Everyday Bro. "I just dropped some new merch and it's selling like a god church"
Hungry for Apples England is my city
Sora Gasai bruh it’s a meme chill
I think APUs are a completely valid option and in my opinion they open the door for a lot of inexpensive, compact and creative looking systems because it only requires a single aio liquid cooler to reduce noise and increase performance. I have a pretty high end mid-tower myself with an i5 and a 1080, but I am still going to build an APU system for my living room to replace steam in-home streaming.
I think that was a good try man. Unfortunately the tech hasn't cooperated. I'm thinking about upgrading certain parts on my entry level pc
704 stream processers at 1375 mhz , my $1000 laptop (2 years ago) had a 960m with 640 cores at 1100mhz, these apus are insane.
The 2400G comes at 1250MHz, and the performance is not only measured with CUs and clock speed. The architecture does also matter.
Dont understand why they dont make laptops with 2200g's
it would dominate the budget gaming laptop market
They do make laptops with newest AMD APU's.
I got 19 Fps on my Intel Pentium and Intel integrated graphics card at lowest setting
on what, minesweeper?
SaimonVcp nope in Google Chrome and 12 in pubg
Jerry C when I bought the PC(in 2012) it was a beast,it can run any game up-to crysis 2 but now after release of dx12 and new games...... It feels like outdated!
Lol scrub
VaniumVII lol I can't afford a new one now due to price inflation
Your conclusion is positive, so change the title! Your buggy mb doesnt help anyone.
Caught over clocking an intel cpu in tests ... puts a denouncing title for Ryzen... I bet he would say intel cpu with Vega is much better than pure AMD one
Man you are a blessing. Thank you for the work!
Hi +JayzTwoCents , I don't think u understand what "UMA Frame buffer size" means. This buffer size is not accessible to the OS for normal system tasks, it is reserved for the IGD. Period. This figure does not represent the Max memory allocation for the IGD. Once the IGD consumes all of this buffer it will simply start using the system memory like a normal GPU. And since this buffer and System memory are the same, there is no delay/penalty, unlike a conventional GPU. This is why there is no difference in FPS in games whether you use 512MB or 2GB, If you do your benchmarks properly.
If you had problems with the hardware that AMD sent you then you should have reported it and STOPPED. Instead you decided to use an un-updated mobo and basically spread misinformation. I think this was very sloppy. I hope you can redo the tests properly again with an updated mobo.
Jerry C Sick comeback m8
This needs to be higher the testing was really flawed here.
Jerry C Yes the only reason you would need to set the dedicated memory higher, would be to run a game that needs to see the memory. Otherwise, the performance difference between 64MB and 2GB in within 3%
Ankur Singhal wow, shit man. you just made me thinking. 🤯 hmmmm. 🤔
Ankur Singhal his testing is mostly sloppy, one of the reasons I unsubscribed.
I just have to say that it is not a fx socket it is an AM3+ socket. It's ok if you got it wrong because everyone just wants to forget the nightmare that was the FX CPUs including the FX-9590 that I used until now that I upgraded to threadripper. 2:40
The Ryzen APUs are AM4 socket. Exact same as Ryzen chips without onboard graphics.
ThunderBeard84 Jay was talking about the FM Socket and AM socket for the last gen apu and cpu by AMD
ThunderBeard84 also watch from 2:35 - 2:50 you should understand what I mean.
The FX 8320 8350 and 8370 arnt that bad of a CPU tho
Spooky Wegion the FX Series isn't as good as the new Ryzen CPUs but I did have my good old FX-9590 pc as my main pc for a long time. Now I got that threadripper 1900x which is much better.
The problem regarding GPU prices is really online I've reached out to various computer stores in the area (Tampa Bay) and they are getting GPU's there is one store here that got 6 ZOTAC 1080 & 1080 ti another got various EVGA cards I got a Z 1080 ti amp extreme for about $100 over MSRP well under a thousand bucks. It took calls driving out there having a few conversations but in less then a month he gave me a call we stuck a deal "Only because I know you...." And I have a pretty yellow box on my couch that I would pay 300+ more for online at Amazon and Newegg. But you see I'm in my 40's I remember how to make contact build a relationship and strike a deal.... Forget online call around your area see what's available. You just might be surprised..
Not in Argentina, what u see online is what u get in the store
Thanks MercadoLibre
Well... while it might well be that the problem is bigger in online stores, $100 over MSRP is still a problem. For other products, MSRP is usually the upper bound on the price, not the "dream goal". ;)
Clairvoyant81 you forget this is a monopoly. Prices are what ever they wish them lop
Uhm... I don't think you know what a monopoly is. When it comes to GPU manufacturers, we have two major players. That's not a monopoly... and even if it was, it has absolutely nothing to do with retailers going over MSRP. It would have something to do with ridiculous MSRPs.
Especially with these scalpers' prices.
I sometimes wonder with GPU's getting more and more powerful will they ever break off the need for a CPU or even include an onboard cpu in their videocard boards? That would be almost like a console without the need for a cpu / mothernoard but i guess the question is can you do other general computing on it, but id imagine it can if you had like the 2500k equivalent cpu built onto a video card it should also do normal computing too. Its cool to see cpus add gpu's to their cores but right now GPU's are the ones that need all the power in games at leaste so it would make sense to add a minimalist cpu just to not bottleneck the video card Then you could have an all in one card for 1k that does 4k gaming without the need to buy a computer to put it in.
I like how there is a box sitting inside the case.
Apu's interest me and make me wanna do a extreme apu build
ash M Great for a home theater build.
ash M
An extreme apu build? Lol.
Like a ultra compact liquid cooled 2400G or i might hold off maybe if AMD will release a higher spec apu in the future.
ash M liquid cooling a ryzen Apu isn't a good idea, it won't give you much a advantage over a normal cooler with which you can overclock without a problem
Imagine Intel doing something like this.
I know, I'm hilarious
That's the exact same case with the same profile any everything my current build is using, though I'm using a full sized ATX version of the case, an Intel 8500 i5 CPU and a dedicated GPU (1070ti) so it's not exactly the same, but glad to see that case is making rounds. I like it a lot. I got my 1070ti when the Turing hype was high a few months back and NVIDIA GPU's dropped in anticipation of a new generation (which has now been confirmed to be a while off, so I expect them to rise again) and I assume some other factors were involved in pricing too. Though now they've gone back up slightly and seem to be on the rise.
I originally wanted a 1080Ti, but seeing as how I very rarely even attempt to game in 4K and my 1070Ti with only minor stock OC's from MSI can crush anything I throw at it in the 1440P/2K range, I guess there isn't currently a point. I still think it's tragic I paid 1080 price for a 1070Ti, I truly hope mining dies out, cryptocurrency needs some new kind of way to be introduced into the economy without mining, as mining is hurting hardware pricing badly on top of it introducing a new generation of malware that has people using your machine to mine for them. Nothing good has come out of mining for the average consumer, only bad.
But my god, seeing an APU capable of handling lower-scale 1080P gaming pretty well is just, it makes me giddy. I had multiple APU-run systems, mostly laptops, for a long time. They were always better than my experience using Intel integrated graphics, but they could never truly PC game. At least not with any modern games, or even semi-modern. Seeing that change is a good day for PC gaming. Also you aren't wrong about Doom, I got it running decently on some lower settings using an old HD 6990 and an FX processor with only 6GB's of DDR3. It runs on anything.
I'm going to get the 2200g. Reason 1 I have an fm2 slot apu+ a r7 370 paired with it. The apu horribly bottlenecks the gpu I'm going to give the gpu back to my friend and upgrade to the am4 platform with this apu. Or maybe I'll attempt to use the 2200g with my r7 370 idk if it will go well. Can anyone give advice?
Just use the Vega graphic cards if you didn't play any AAA games
if jays experience was this bad the actual reviews are going to be hammering amd on the problems.
Tryhardtechy this was the first bad experience l have see. I think the motherboard fucked him up
Serious question here..... if i have a duel socket motherboard, can i SLI the CPUs?
Where did you get a dual socket am4 motherboard
It's AMD, so obviously you could only crossfire them....
Nice job effectively stealing someone else's comment.
Maybe crossfire a set of EPYC APU's, only problem: they probably won't make EPYC APU's and dual EPYC boards won't support onchip graphics.
That's not what he's asking. If all you're gonna do is nitpick about semantics, then go find something better to do.
It crashes when trying to run any game... but it runs benchmarks just fine, You should definitely buy it! LOL is there an update on this?
Hello, I am from future 2021
I remember the Battlefield 4 APU Video! 720p Gaming Was Lit!
Couldn't find any benchmarks to compare with my current old build so I hope I'll get a short "Yes" or "No" here. Would this Ryzen APU build out-perform my current Pentium G3258 (4.2Ghz), R9-280 3GB, 8GB Vengeance LP 1600, Asus Z97-Ar Mobo system ? And would it be an investment to go out and buy this Ryzen APU build or should I just change-out couple of parts on my current system? Thank you
Deividas Gedgaudas Most likely it would be worth it R9-280 is a relic
Deividas Gedgaudas Well it depends...
If you game could could get a used i5 or even an i7
If you stream, edit and game a lot Ryzen is your best solution
Although I wouldnt built a new pc right now because of the RAM and GPU prices
I game from time to time, but simple games like Warframe, CSGO and some older classics, but I do some video editing from time to time. an i5 and a ram upgrade I think would be the best, but I'm not sure because I'm not really good with those numbers
Deividas Gedgaudas And im a bit stupid...
If you invest on Ryzen
Dont invest on APUs
I think you can get by with upgrading your cpu
Would be cheaper to get a used i7 for 150$
Btw how's that pentium holding up
I'm currently building a pc with one so I'm curious to see how it performs
What a surprise Jayz AMD review is the worst at of all the reviewers
is it? the performance was good. watch linus review, he didnt even touch on the vram issue.
I expect nothing less
Atleast its not a shill. PaulsHardware and linus compared it to a 1050ti AND used stock iGPU settings.
It is not Jayz fault AMD sent him a faulty motherboard/apu
what hte hell is wrong with "shill" in this comment section?? its EVERYWHERE
All iam saying everytime Jay reviews an AMD products its all ways negative all the way down to his thumbnails.
plz do a itx version of this build
Btw there wont be a ryzen 7 apu, at least not in the near future. The vega chip takes one entire ccx module in the processor, so it is limited to 4 cores.
I just hope for a higher clockspeed APU , somewhere around 4.5Ghz with 1500Mhz graphics .
But i'm sure the AMD future will bring that .
Hey Jay, Ive experienced the same "black screen of death" on Intel's Devils canyon 4690k and an rx480 8g from MSI. The issue seems to be related, at least for me, to a windows update that is causing this to happen on some systems... For me, jumping onto Windows 7 has solved all of my issues. Even after re-installing windows 10, the system will still crash with a black screen. Maybe this helps?
I had the same problem with the black screen. In my case after 2 refunds i discovered that one of the standoffs was touching the back of the motherboard. After removing that i had no more issues... (Sry for bad english)
Pointless to have a cheap APU if it needs expensive RAM to run properly.
ram is allready expensive af everywhere...a g4560 +1030 similar build with 2400 memory would still cost more
Damn that's pretty good I'm going to have to pick me up a amd was gonna get a Intel until I seen this.
I'm happy to see they give you plenty of options to adjust shared RAM and clocks, wish HP would do the on my 2500u equipped Envy laptop so I could compare. Those jerks locked it to 256mb, can't even run Photoshop properly. >____>
You said you wanted a Ryzen 7 APU, I'd be happy with a 6 core 2400G.
@Cubei My understanding pf how an APU works is extremely limited, so I'm probably wrong here... But a 2400G running 4c/4t is splitting the load 50/50 for CPU and GPU tasks, isn't it? That would severely hamper the PC on the CPU side. Dedicate 2 cores to the GPU side of things and still have a functional quad core for strictly CPU tasks.
@Cubei Ah, see that makes sense. I formed a theory based on how awful Intel HD graphics are.
hey I know you hate when people tell you to do stuff but I would love to see more about this.
every configuration he used crashes and he "recommends" it? obviously he doesn't want to lose his sponsorship with AMD
HTPC upgrade maybe. Something extra compact for lounge room computing and 4k movie watching.
OC a APU.....If you fail at that is not the APU having issues, is you pushing the thing beyond his normal limits.
Hello! Just a simple question... The Vega 11 is equal with which standalone graphics card?... GTX 1030? .... (And what about Vega 8?) ..... Thanks ....
Great video as always Jay.
Offtopic - I was wondering which scales better in 2018 Crossfire VS SLI. Could you please do a test for that with similar GPUs (like Vega 64 CF vs GTX 1080 SLI or something like that). I'm pretty sure multiGPU is not worth it (was it ever!) but it would make for a good video to see if both AMD and NVIDIA are really giving up on it. I've seen some videos on the matter but none with a strait up scale comparison between CF and SLI
Jay, which lipstick do you recommend?...
17:01 12 hours, of frustration ! My lesson learned from this video is if I want to game get a graphics card. Even if the graphics card is a GTX 1050 I would still get better performance than the APU.
YOUR MOBO DRIVER NOT UPDATED :D HAHA!
I didn't listen to any of his words 'cause I was busy staring at that beautiful keyboard & monitor set
ok
N'T TOUCH AMD 2800G Ryzen 7+ w/Radeon Vega Graphics CAN'T TOUCH THIS! Ryzen 7+ Ryzen 5 2400G 14nm SUCKS! But I digress...JayzTwoCents AMD Ryzen 3 & 5 14nm Vega Graphics 2400G and 2200G AMD Ryzen OLDER 14nm Raven Ridge APU's CAN'T TOUCH Radeon Vega Raven Ridge Newer 12nm APU AMD 2800G Ryzen 7+ w/Radeon Vega Graphics
A friend of mine swapped a 2080ti and got a threadripper and it worked a bit better. I don't know how.
Hey Jay,
Im getting the same blackscreen shutdown during gaming on my machine. I have managed to prevent the blackscreen by keeping my GPU above 99% utilization. i believe it has to do with frames going back to the CPU im not entirely sure if its memory based or not but i am technically running an unsupported kit with my MOBO.
I have the Asrock B350 Mini-ITX and a kit of 2x8GB 2933MHz Gskill trident z(1.35v kit but motherboard says only 1.2v). Im also running the R5-1600.
Please publish your findings as it would help me diagnose my situation too.
Also in order to test my Blackscreen Prevention theory i tested 2 Radeon HD7850s (one at 860MHz one at 975MHz) and tried older GPUs like the HD6850 and HD3850. Based on the results of the two HD7850s i concluded that the lower the coreclock the less the machine would crash. I got the crashes down to once every day or so. upon testing the HD6850 and HD3850 i realized that any card that is under full load would be stable for an indefinite amount of time.
JayzTwoCents Is it possible to potentially get more Vram this way then using a dedicated GPU? For instance, let's say the person had 128gb of high speed memory 3200mhz+, instead of allocating 2gb like you are showing here, couldn't more like 12gb or 15gb or even 20gb be allocated? With a higher speed RAM and higher amount of capacity and a higher core CPU like a 10-core couldn't this way of computing graphics potentially outperform the GPUs that we use today(1070 or 1080)? with a GPU you are capped at the vram of that particular card (or PC within a PC like you said), ex. 8gb or 10gb for GTX 1070 and GTX 1080s. Or does this really come back to CUDA cores which is not something offered by this CPU - RAM onboard combo? Meaning the ability of a dedicated GPU to off CUDA cores is always going to outperform any combination of onboard graphics.
About the black screen, dude I swear this is a genuine problem I get this all the time! But with a 2gb 270x r9 200 graphics card and the Ryzen 3 1300x which safe to say is an equivalent setup as a GPU and CPU. CRASHES SO OFTEN and recommended settings according to the game is always high 1080p and I find myself often turning it down. No OC, everything is standard. MGS5 takes about 3 reboots in 60 seconds before I can start playing properly, same with Skyrim, Fortnite. Forza Horizon 3, Sniper Elite 4, don't run but load and this is according to whoever I've gotten to ask about this good enough.
Great video---RE 2 games.I have the Ryzen 3, 9 gb, usable 2.7, virtual memory, 4 kern in a new computer. Call of Duty AW and COD Black ops both delay and freeze sometimes. Dissapointment after my Radeon GTX 750 smoothness.I do get more detailed graphics but not thrilled with the freeze frames. All other computations fly! Why?,
i'm a novice.Here's adumb question.Are you saying I can plug my GTX into the mother board slot , then plug monitor. sound, etc into the gtx inputs and bypass the Ryzen?