I imagine that the mini pc has some sort of magical curse that makes it slightly unoptimal for everything from 8-bit snake to fully raytraced 8k gaming
It's probably windows I have a laptop with an atom CPU and it's horrible to use with win 10. I swapped it to linux and have a much better experience, I'm not running a desktop just a window manager and it's a much better experience.
I'm running a telescope rig with it. it's 12v, super low power, and I can use RDP from the comfort of my warm desk. sadly I did need to upgrade to an nvme drive in order to grab raw video from my planetary cameras.
Just wanted to say that I have become increasingly appreciative of your journalistic selection and demonstration of the "Budget" range of technology as I have gotten older. Especially now that I have to pay for things like rent. While so much of tech journalism seems to be focused on the next, latest and greatest its important to highlight the mid range of what most people will ever need or use. Your demonstrations like the video editing on the $100 PC I think are great at proving why these lower end systems are important.
As a quick example, I accidently broke my ~$1000 phone and picked up the Samsung A03 from BestBuy for $60 and I swear to god I am never buying a more expensive phone again. Because while the camera may be shit, there isn't any app it cant run smoothly besides for maybe super graphics heavy games which I do not see as a necessary for my phone to play anyway.
@@1637tyyeah the samsung a series phones are bloody great. Whenever i suggest for someone to get one of them instead of a high end model phone they laugh at me. Got my a50 on ebay for $100 aud and got an a42 on facebook marketplace for $150 aud after i broke the screen on my a50
@@1637ty if it wasnt for the ease of use with IOS, i would also go for a relativly cheap android. because you're right, aside from the poor cameras that are generally typical with cheaper androids. the phones themselves are usually fine. and relatively fast. or at least as fast as i'd need it to be. but yeah, most people who arent stuck to their phones all day, do not need a 1000 phone. at any point.
@@1637ty The only reason I now have a ~€200 phone instead of an ~€80 phone is Android Auto, it was just unusable on the budget phone. And I agree the cameras on budget phones are not great, but if I cared I'd buy an actual camera.
CPUs have improved so much in such a small amount of relative time. From R7 2700X, to R9 5950x, to i7 12700K, to R7 7800x3D, there was always a noticeable improvement in game perf. And from 2700X to 5950x was night and day in multithreading heavy tasks. In all that time though, I only ever upgraded the gfx card once. Went from GTX 1080 Ti 11gb to an RTX 4080s 16gb just last month.
Remember that era of i5-2000 to i5-7000 series when the processors didn't really change at all? AMD threw a hell of a wrench into the system, from affordable 8 cores with the Ryzen 1700 to consumer-grade 16 cores with the Ryzen 3950X. I can't wait for the 8000 or 9000 series of CPUs, I'm hoping for a performance uplift good enough to justify moving to DDR5.
@@2kliksphilip I agree, there should always be some sort of fight between tech companies to make better and better chips and technological advancements, because if there isn't one, then the rate of advance is going to slow down
@@2kliksphilipThere was some innovation, just basically none of it went to the mainstream/performance desktop market, it was all about power efficiency for mobile, and core count for server. For example, xeons went from 8 cores per socket to 22 cores in 4 years (2012-2016), at basically the same tdp rating. Intel just decided to do nothing in the mainstream market because amd was licking windows.
@@lookitsrain9552 And because of that mid-late 2010s HEDT Intel stuff still is totally serviceable, just at a higher TDP than modern stuff and less features. With the way things are going, it may not last long like that, but still cool. Because that's where all their innovation went until Ryzen came around, especially Zen 2.
@@chasethefeelimo, nobody should be a fanboy, they should be a realistic fan. you might like amd or intel and there is nothing wrong with it. just don't bash the other brand if they are doing well.
What you were experiencing on the N100 was the fact that CPU utilization can go above 100%, tools like hwinfo show it correctly, while taskmanager does not.
i had a CPU on a relatively new laptop it was around 300~ dollars, its boost clock was 2ghz and it had an hdd and i used to play CS:GO on it it would get like 25 fps on dust 2 so i would play the training map and try to beat the high score as i got 40 to 56 fps in the training ground @@2kliksphilip
What's the point of using percentages above 100%? I guess it better illustrates the "boosting" behavior, that can only be sustained for a limited time?
i had a 300 Doller laptop with a intel Celeron 2core processer and its boost clock was 2ghz i got around 25 to 15 fps in CS:GO 640x480 resolution @@2kliksphilip
@@tomallo99 It can happen for a few different reasons, one is that its possible that monitoring software is reporting over 100% usage because multiple cores are being used (whether it be physical cores or threads), another one is that i can be that a single threaded application is fighting for CPU time, another one is that a single threaded application can be utilizing multiple threads, increasing the throughput.
Short answer: The CPU Utilization is incapable of going over 100%, OSystems and HWinfo are only measuring time of the cpu threads dedicated to tasks(and to drivera+operating system itself). The additional performance counters just let you see how well your program utilizes cache and how often the cpu is able to to guess the result of branching execution paths. Longer answer: Yes a cpu has more than 1 ALU unit. Cpus execute multiple instructions in one clock cycles. And the code you run might not be up to a task. So yes it is possible for certain tasks to make the cpus crunch harder. Your code can also make the cpu hit branch misses less often(certain types of branching having lesser penalties, let's you hint to the compiler what code path are much more likely to be taken). Even Longer answer: The N100 can only use a single-channel DDR4-3200 or DDR5-4800 MT/s memory kits. Not only does N100 have a video decoding block. Demanding tasks such as video editing let's you divide the data that is being crunched into smaller blocks of data. This means that data can fit into L1/L2/L3 of the cpu (like color correction can be done say in blocks of 64x64 (which fits into a 16KB L1 cpu cache block)). This just means mutliple effects can be applied on a 64x64px scale reducing the number of transfers from memory to cache when processing data(yes even the N100 is going to be botlenecked by slow memory).
I'm really a fan of these CPU and GPU videos Philip makes, because he does them from a normal consumer's perspective, instead of just wanking on the latest and greatest, most expensive things like many dedicated tech channels. Actually, one of these videos was the reason I switched to AMD in 2018 and I'm really happy with that choice still.
Something you didn't mention that is becoming increasingly important in MT workloads is figuring out where the application stops really scaling with more cores and which cores you should use at that core count. The main thing I do on my personal machines is software development and with the languages I use now I only really ever use 14c/28t at once. At that thread count my two options are really the 14700k or 7950x, and while the AMD might have lower performance when all cores are saturated I'm not going to be saturating them. In a 14c MT test those full Zen 4 cores are going to outpace those E cores a lot, making AMD a better option. For a lot of professionals I think the advice of "get whatever has the better MT score" is quickly becoming harder to agree with software usually doesn't scale linearly and I really wish tech media would mention it more.
just as i was about to watch this video i remembered your klik empire video and i just wanted to say that i really enjoy your CPU videos and have for as long as ive been watching them (including bygone era advice cos they are fun) i hope that you enjoyed making this video because i would love for you to continue making more like them, you are one of the big creators i watch where i am actually axcited to klik and see when you have a new video. have a good day chap. -your fan
I used to be a NVDIA and Intel "fanboy" for many years. Last year though i got myself a new gaming pc with the Ryzen 7 5800x3D and the 7900XT and i absolutely love it.
Thunderbolt 5.0 support in cpus is coming out too which makes external GPUs very viable now for many tasks that are optimized decently. Most tasks avoid gpu to cpu back and forth communication anyways because of the latency. Most tasks are a throughput problem. And thunderbolt 5.0 has reached very viable throughput imo. It very much shrinks the gap between laptops and desktops even more.
This really is like intel's bulldozer but if bulldozer was a actually competitive, what you got from bulldozer back then was: - technically more cores (treating threads as cores iirc) - higher clockspeed - higher power draw and more heat Now with intel you get: - technically more cores (through low power efficiency cores) - higher clockspeed - higher power draw and more heat Like seriously the parallels are uncanny when you think about it.
Thank you for mentioning the 3100! I got the 3100 for 80$ back in mid-2021 paired with a 1650 and let me tell you that cheap CPU was more capable than I gave it credit for. I upgraded to a 5600 I got for 150$ and the difference was noticeable immediately yet I was still deep down thinking how incredible it was to get such a competent CPU for less than 100$ back in the market then and it ran so cool with the stock Wraith cooler never failing to reach max boost clocks. I sold that PC with the 3100+1650 to a friend with a steep discount and she works and games with it, it meets all her needs and that PC will fulfill its duties for years to come without a hitch.
My PFsense router is hosted on an SFF PC I bought from a local government for $70. Still doing it's thing five years later. its amazing the value you can get on the used market.
I love it when someone just shares their passion for computer tech. I started my PC with a 6700K from Intel which was great at the time, then I held onto it for probably four years before upgrading to the 5900X from AMD; MASSIVE leap in performance for rendering and relativelyy fair price. Now the market is so much more interesting for finding hardware that suits your needs, ranging from brute-force power to efficiency and punch
Don't know why, but I always enjoy hearing you just chatter about hardware. Even if it isn't the most information rich, sometimes I do learn something new and see a different perspective
12:34 This is one of Intel's greatest shortcomings in their marketing. E-Cores aren't Power Efficient. They are space-efficient. In a sense that Intel can fit 4 E-cores in the space of 1 P-core on the CPU "die". I haven't found any benchmarks that substantiate "Power Efficiency" claims. On the contrary, the P-cores deliver more performance per watt compared to the E-cores.
Thank you! It's so nice to see people that get it, so to speak. The only power efficient part of the E-core is that their lowest usage is lower than a P-core. So if you have like a really light task you can theoretically set your E-cores at 400 MHz and they will sip power. Especially nice if you can tune the voltage for them too. But it's a rather niche case.
Depends on the task, for singlethreaded tasks, of course the P-cores are power efficient, but for multicore they are terrible. Without the E-cores, i would be stuck with the i9-10900K's 100 watt iddle power draw instead of 5 watts on my 12700K, making the 10900K useless for a Digital Audio Workstation.
i tend to make it a point to watch all new vids uploaded across your channels. i am halfway through this trying so hard to gaslight myself into thinking i care enough to finish it. i can do this
As someone who's not that tech-savvy, and is thinking of building a new PC, this video has helped me catch up on a lot of things, especially for CPUs. This video was a godsent for me. Thanks!
I have to say Phillip no matter what the video topic is across your multiple channels I always find your videos very calming and they often help me sleep. I thank you
Ever since I build my new PC I stopped looking at PC hardwares for a while, but every once in a while I love to watch your videos talking about these stuff
I brought a 5800x3d a few months ago, despite the 7000 series / 13 and 14th gen being out i still went zen 3 since i still had my old b550 motherboard and its been great! I don't feel like im missing out on much with the faster and newer gens, but after building my friend a 13900k system i can tell just how beastly the new intel CPUs are! (my last intel product being the i7 7700k) This market is perfect timing as well since im looking to upgrade my old gaming server and the Ryzen APUs and even the i3's of this gen are pretty capable in terms of gaming performance... Now if only NVIDIA and AMD would come down from their high horse of pricing in the GPU market... Great video as always Philip!
I upgraded from a Haswell i7 to the Alder Lake 12700K. Extremely overkill CPU, totally worth it, fast shader compilation and THE Intel CPU for streaming.
I feel like I can almost predict the vibe of the next segment in the video, positive, negative, intriguing or thrilling, simply based on the queued track that's been playing alongside the videos over the years (including recent tracks). Amazing how a familar soundtrack can do that.
I love hearing people ramble about technology, my favourite genre out there. Also can you kindly tell me the name for the background music you used, that kinda music goes perfect with such tech discussion vids, remind me of 2010s, good times.
2:04 that's because your expectation of "easier tasks" are actually harder on the cpu than you thought, and since cpu doesn't waste time ever not being utilised at 100% in high demanding tasks, it's above your expectations. Easy.
Honestly this video really makes me hope that the next generation of Intel Arc ends up being their Ryzen moment, because the current GPU market absolutely sucks (as you mentioned), and with the recent AI boom, Intel has a lot of motivation to get their GPU division up to snuff.
3:20 Ehh, I still prefer AMD by a long shot. My opinion hasn't changed over the last few years. In my country, a 7800X3D costs less than a 14700K and performs better in games while using less power and being less hot. In my country at least, you'd be insane to go with Intel.
@@2kliksphilip I didn't. In fact, I had an Intel CPU at the time when the Ryzen 1000 series came out. You didn't have to take what I said so literal. I just meant it as a general, casual statement, but if you must know, since the 2000 series then. I've been building PCs for more than 15 years and switched between Intel and AMD over the years. I'm just saying I still prefer AMD nowadays when it comes to the business side of things, when it comes to performance, and when it comes to pricing in my country. Don't have to be so defensive about it: I did not prefer Ryzen 1000 over Intel's 7000 series.
No matter how powerful CPUs get my software bosses will keep saying "don't spend any time on performance, hardware is just grtting better anyway" and software will keep getting slower and worse
have to disagree with intel being the high multicore performance option now. in my experience many high core count compute tasks can not properly take advantage of both P and E cores, which just leaves you with an 8 core 14900k that has some additional cores unused you can maybe use for background tasks. (CFD, FEA and photogrammetry are the big ones where I experienced that) if you use all the available cores the faster threads just just to wait on the slower ones and your overall performance goes down significantly over just using the P cores that's probably also why intels server and workstation offerings don't seem to use E cores
CPUs, SSDs/Stoage, Cases, RAM, Coolers have all improved so much in price or perfomance or both over the recent years, with gpus and motherboards seem to just be trailing behind in how expensive they remain
Cool video! It's really nice watching content that's positive, rather than the constant stream of negativity that goes around. Not to say if you were negative that'd be horrified and unsub forever feeling betrayed, just me mood right now.
This video probably needs an update with the Intel 13th and 14th gen instability issues getting more and more attention. I don't think it's worth recommending a xx700/K/KS or xx900/K/KS having to hope you don't get one of the fast degrading chips or maybe worse is getting one that degrades in a years time when it might be harder to RMA. At least until Intel actually says or does something about it. Right now, they seem to be hoping it blows over and their core 200 products change the narrative while so many of their customers have to deal with the problems of their last gen (yes I count 13th and 14th as same gen, because they are).
4:31 looking at avg fps is very misleading since the bigger prop. is low 1% 0.1% with "budget" cpus like the ryzen 5 in newer games! Atleast in my exp.!
I still love my 5800X3D. That extra cache really makes sense when you try it in games. It has a huge effect on 1% lows, which has eliminated microstutters entirely. When Intel starts making affordable high-performance chips with a similar amount of cache, I will consider them an option.
I'd usually go for the cheapest 6 core but since there's now a non insubstantial amount of games that love insane cpus, I spend almost as much on them as gpu and don't really have much of a choice about it
Really waiting for Intel to step up their game right now. Apart from the low to mid range. The fact that the 13900k vs the 7950x both trade blows in productivity/high core works loads yet the 7950x is 100w less in terms of power (which also means heat) seems like a no Brainer right now. Same with the 13700k and the 7900x. I don't think I can advise Intel for anyone outside of like a 13600k and below, and I work in retail for pc parts and I've been making these recommendations for a while now. Of course some people will still go Intel because they don't trust amd (for some reason)
@@2kliksphilip oh absolutely they're absolutely pushing it so they can appear on top hahaha. Kinda cool that u don't have to stress about oc anymore coz they do it for you! xD
I am not a semiconductor engineer, but this is my understanding: Chips made of a bunch of chiplets connected together are necessary because the new process nodes using EUV lithography have a very limited area of wafer in focus at one time, only centimeters wide, and it took some heroics to get it that large. Everybody will eventually be using them for performance desktop chips, whether they connect them by multiple exposures using larger interconnects, or mechanically.
You can get better yields per wafer on chiplets compared to a monolithic design so it's cheaper to produce more working chips but that cost gets offset by the interconnect. It also helps scale a product like AMD are doing with epyc and threadripper and planning to do with GPUs. Everyone will definitely switch to a chiplet design especially as we get closer to 1nm. As nodes get smaller it takes a lot more time to increase yield rate so for example you have a monolithic chip that has a defective Io that chip is basically scrap now with a chiplet process you can just make it work as it's an independent part, same thing with cores.
I think yield was the reasoning ten or twenty years ago, but now it's just not feasible to do a single photomask for a performance-CPU-sized chip.@@xfy123
The ocular limit will be reduced from like 850mm^2 to 430mm^2 (only for Intel, the other chipmakers don't plan to buy those new tools yet). Currently on the consumer GPU front even something as powerfull as the RTX4080 is only around 380mm^2 which means chiplets won't be necessary in that segment. On the server/data center market Intel has recently released their newest Xeons with up to 64 cores on 2x750mm^2 chiplets which is already impossible to make on a single die and it's forced to compete with AMD's up to 96 Zen4, 96 Zen4 x3D and 128 Zen4c core Epyc products.
The way it was explained to me, yields used to be a justification, but today the EUV process is just fundamentally constrained. To do a big chip you need to precisely optically align wide interconnects for chiplets on a bunch of photomasks, or mechanically connect them.@@xfy123
Hello Phillip, are you interested to revisit VR gaming as of right now? Would be really interesting to hear your take on it. Quest 3 came out recently, it may be the wireless vr headset we were waiting for, but is it worth it? Anyway, thanks for the great work, love watching your content.
Pleasantly surprised to see you don't have any affiliate links in your description at all, not that it matters but most people making these sorts of videos just make them as an excuse to pad their descriptions with a bunch of links
Build a dirt-cheap Ryzen 5700G-based Linux rig last year, mostly from used components, and couldn't be happier with it as my main system. It effortlessly lets me play Alien Isolation with just the integrated graphics and the bog-standard amdgpu driver that comes with openSUSE Leap 15.5. It compiles my custom kernels in far below 3 minutes and gets barely over 60°C while doing it (using nothing but the standard cooler that came eith the 5700G).
also a big plus point for the 5xxx series is that you can use some older mainboards, such as the msi b350 that i used for my 2600, by just updating the bios.
Can confirm about the Ryzen 5 5600. I bought a 5600x (basically same thing) on release and it can do everything. It's crazy. The 5600G being that price is beyond superb for extreme budget gaming or for home PCs. I'm thinking of using it for my parent's build. And the fact that the 5800X3D is on AM4 just makes the 5600 even better.
i've been using the 12100f for about a year now in conjunction with a 6700xt and can wholeheartedly recommend both, i havent had any trouble at all running games, unless its late game hoi 4 at max speed but still perfectly playable
The iGPUs are set to become incredible in the next few years. For example, Ryzen 7 8700G with the Radeon 780M graphics can beat out many, if not most brand new sub-$200 GPUs. Yes it's a $300 CPU, but if your budget is tight, you can think of it as a $150 CPU and a $150 GPU in one package. Also it saves you from buying a 5 to 7 year old GPU which could lose support any day now.
They don't beat modern sub-$200 GPUs quite, moreso 10 and 16 series GPUs at that price. I agree that for sub-$400 or so systems that need all-new parts, or for needing low power consumption or small size though, these APUs are very impressive. I just wish they'd put the good iGPUs on the 6 core CPU too. Also the $150 GPUs can be under 5 years old, such as the RX 5700XT, RX 6600, RTX 2060, RTX 3060, and so on.
@@jamesbuckwas6575 I guess GPU prices still vary a lot from market to market. Over here you'd consider yourself lucky for finding a bottom of the barrel 3050 for under 250€.
@@masterkamen371 You're right, I forgot about markets that have different pricing compared to the US, my mistake. For sure in those markets, APUs likely are cheaper than discrete GPUs from a couple of generations ago. In those cases an APU also makes a lot of sense to purchase, and to upgrade with a dGPU later!
@@jamesbuckwas6575 Yeah, prices are so ridiculous here that I'm going to other countries just to purchase PC components. Some GPUs are literally 2x cheaper that way.
I will be excited about GPUs again when we can get 4090 performance for ~800$. Besides that, I think APUs are pretty exciting right now. I'm looking forward to the next generation of handhelds.
The N100 is a really cool CPU, it's cheap and extremely power efficient, but the big thing for me is the fact that it has hardware video acceleration (QuickSync). This might be what is helping power through modern games easier than old ones, though I'm not sure. What I can say is that it absolutely does help immensely for video encoding/decoding, and explains why you found email browsing slower than video editing. I set up one of these mini PC's with an N100 as a media server, and to my complete surprise it can do 6+ 4K transcodes at once, I didn't even bother testing any more. Using software decoding it would be struggling with just 1. And plus, this was with extremely modern formats such as 10-bit HEVC, VP9, and AV1. Having this on a little efficient mini PC and an AMD 3D cache CPU on my gaming PC is a really awesome setup, and I didn't even have to spend that much. We've come a long way haha
This video is exactly what i didnt need right now, i dont want to spend the money so im no longer cpu bottlenecked in every game. It would be so worth it tho, thanks philip
Epic ending 😁 I ended up using a R5 4600G for a buddy of mine. He's doing mostly office stuff, and the APU is overkill on both the IGPU side and on the 6 cores side. Funny enough, I would have went for the R3 4300G, but the price difference to the 4600G was just 14 USD. Either the 4600G was heavily discounted, or the 4300G was badly priced. Regardless, I felt no remorse spending the extra to get the 4600G, even though the 4 cores part would have been absolutely fine.
Ryzen 5 5600 here. I paired it with a MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX, some random, used 16 GB 3200 RAM and a used GTX 1660 Super. The CPU really is a blast, so glad I went with AMD here. Runs CS2 with medium settings and 1080p at about 180-240 FPS. For less than 500€ you can get a still very competitive gaming PC with this amazing CPU platform.
the one thing that has gone crazy recently is the prices of motherboards and their features being limited to super expensive boards you used to get onboard power/reset and 9 panel readouts now you need to spend a fortune to get basic troubleshooting equipment
CPU market really is great. I recently upgraded from a 1600 that was somehow trucking along to a 5700x3d. Definitely don’t need it, it’s totally under-utilised with my GTX 1070, but I’ve got an overkill am4 motherboard, so it made sense to upgrade to the second best gaming cpu on the platform when it only costs €200. My standards aren’t high, so it’ll probably be good enough for my needs for another 5 years at least.
8:57 true for me. i am using intel's i5-11600kf and am now waiting for the 7800x3d to arrive since it's on AM5 and i know that I've got at least the 8000 series to upgrade to in the future if i wanted to. if i stuck with intel and went 14th gen i'd have no upgrade path. newegg 7800x3d combo (with motherboard and 32 GB 6400 cl 32 ddr5 ram) ran me $566 after tax.
Zen C cores have less cache because you simply don't need that much cache at lower clock speeds. In tasks other than gaming, a Zen 4C core doesn't see any significant performance boost from 32 MB of L3. AMD small cores are just energy-efficient, space-optimized standard cores. They just rearrange a Zen 4/5 core so it can take up less space and cut out the features that are useless at lower clock speeds.
Performance per watt has stagnated though and is incremental at best. Id like to see near threshold computing advancements and big leaps in performance at the top end of way over 100% not 10%.
This man could make a video about fertilizer price to performance in 2024 and I'd watch for 30 minutes.
Edit: I’m glad we’re all in agreement
i would love some youtube longs
i'd definitely watch that
that might be a tad bit too exciting, how about yesterday's weather?
So a literal shitpost
@@skalturaIt was very grey and compellingly boring actually
I imagine that the mini pc has some sort of magical curse that makes it slightly unoptimal for everything from 8-bit snake to fully raytraced 8k gaming
It's probably windows I have a laptop with an atom CPU and it's horrible to use with win 10. I swapped it to linux and have a much better experience, I'm not running a desktop just a window manager and it's a much better experience.
The Curse of Slight Inconvenience
I'm running a telescope rig with it. it's 12v, super low power, and I can use RDP from the comfort of my warm desk.
sadly I did need to upgrade to an nvme drive in order to grab raw video from my planetary cameras.
They are an amazing alternative to raspberry pi for DIY stuff
Install Tiny 11 on it. A cut down Win 11 with no bs running in the background
That 12100f one cent off deal 💰💰💶💶
Oh well now i gotta buy it.
thats like, a whole cent. do you know just how much you can do with that? yeah me neither :(
bro on the screwegg grindset 💪💪
Back in my day you could go to the movies, get a steak dinner, get your car washed, and still have change left over.
i got it
Just wanted to say that I have become increasingly appreciative of your journalistic selection and demonstration of the "Budget" range of technology as I have gotten older. Especially now that I have to pay for things like rent. While so much of tech journalism seems to be focused on the next, latest and greatest its important to highlight the mid range of what most people will ever need or use. Your demonstrations like the video editing on the $100 PC I think are great at proving why these lower end systems are important.
As a quick example, I accidently broke my ~$1000 phone and picked up the Samsung A03 from BestBuy for $60 and I swear to god I am never buying a more expensive phone again. Because while the camera may be shit, there isn't any app it cant run smoothly besides for maybe super graphics heavy games which I do not see as a necessary for my phone to play anyway.
@@1637tyyeah the samsung a series phones are bloody great.
Whenever i suggest for someone to get one of them instead of a high end model phone they laugh at me.
Got my a50 on ebay for $100 aud and got an a42 on facebook marketplace for $150 aud after i broke the screen on my a50
@@1637ty if it wasnt for the ease of use with IOS, i would also go for a relativly cheap android. because you're right, aside from the poor cameras that are generally typical with cheaper androids. the phones themselves are usually fine. and relatively fast. or at least as fast as i'd need it to be. but yeah, most people who arent stuck to their phones all day, do not need a 1000 phone. at any point.
@@1637ty The only reason I now have a ~€200 phone instead of an ~€80 phone is Android Auto, it was just unusable on the budget phone. And I agree the cameras on budget phones are not great, but if I cared I'd buy an actual camera.
CPUs have improved so much in such a small amount of relative time. From R7 2700X, to R9 5950x, to i7 12700K, to R7 7800x3D, there was always a noticeable improvement in game perf. And from 2700X to 5950x was night and day in multithreading heavy tasks.
In all that time though, I only ever upgraded the gfx card once. Went from GTX 1080 Ti 11gb to an RTX 4080s 16gb just last month.
Remember that era of i5-2000 to i5-7000 series when the processors didn't really change at all? AMD threw a hell of a wrench into the system, from affordable 8 cores with the Ryzen 1700 to consumer-grade 16 cores with the Ryzen 3950X. I can't wait for the 8000 or 9000 series of CPUs, I'm hoping for a performance uplift good enough to justify moving to DDR5.
@@2kliksphilip I agree, there should always be some sort of fight between tech companies to make better and better chips and technological advancements, because if there isn't one, then the rate of advance is going to slow down
Yeah like compare 2011-2018 cpus it's like the same performance. Now 2018-2024 the HEDT cpu from 2018 is slower than budget 2024 cpu
@@2kliksphilipThere was some innovation, just basically none of it went to the mainstream/performance desktop market, it was all about power efficiency for mobile, and core count for server. For example, xeons went from 8 cores per socket to 22 cores in 4 years (2012-2016), at basically the same tdp rating. Intel just decided to do nothing in the mainstream market because amd was licking windows.
@@lookitsrain9552 And because of that mid-late 2010s HEDT Intel stuff still is totally serviceable, just at a higher TDP than modern stuff and less features. With the way things are going, it may not last long like that, but still cool. Because that's where all their innovation went until Ryzen came around, especially Zen 2.
Entire video is a Userbenchmark burn and I love it
@@chasethefeel true that.
@@chasethefeelimo, nobody should be a fanboy, they should be a realistic fan. you might like amd or intel and there is nothing wrong with it. just don't bash the other brand if they are doing well.
Whats wrong with Userbenchmark?
@@kartoffelbrei8090incredibly biased against AMD and nobody knows why. Everyone who knows something about this site hates it.
@@kartoffelbrei8090 they hate amd for no reason
Like hating on amd is fine but you should have a valid reason for that, and shitterbenchmark doesn't
What you were experiencing on the N100 was the fact that CPU utilization can go above 100%, tools like hwinfo show it correctly, while taskmanager does not.
i had a CPU on a relatively new laptop it was around 300~ dollars, its boost clock was 2ghz and it had an hdd and i used to play CS:GO on it it would get like 25 fps on dust 2 so i would play the training map and try to beat the high score as i got 40 to 56 fps in the training ground @@2kliksphilip
What's the point of using percentages above 100%? I guess it better illustrates the "boosting" behavior, that can only be sustained for a limited time?
i had a 300 Doller laptop with a intel Celeron 2core processer and its boost clock was 2ghz i got around 25 to 15 fps in CS:GO 640x480 resolution @@2kliksphilip
@@tomallo99 It can happen for a few different reasons, one is that its possible that monitoring software is reporting over 100% usage because multiple cores are being used (whether it be physical cores or threads), another one is that i can be that a single threaded application is fighting for CPU time, another one is that a single threaded application can be utilizing multiple threads, increasing the throughput.
Short answer:
The CPU Utilization is incapable of going over 100%, OSystems and HWinfo are only measuring time of the cpu threads dedicated to tasks(and to drivera+operating system itself).
The additional performance counters just let you see how well your program utilizes cache and how often the cpu is able to to guess the result of branching execution paths.
Longer answer:
Yes a cpu has more than 1 ALU unit. Cpus execute multiple instructions in one clock cycles.
And the code you run might not be up to a task.
So yes it is possible for certain tasks to make the cpus crunch harder.
Your code can also make the cpu hit branch misses less often(certain types of branching having lesser penalties, let's you hint to the compiler what code path are much more likely to be taken).
Even Longer answer:
The N100 can only use a single-channel DDR4-3200 or DDR5-4800 MT/s memory kits.
Not only does N100 have a video decoding block.
Demanding tasks such as video editing let's you divide the data that is being crunched into smaller blocks of data.
This means that data can fit into L1/L2/L3 of the cpu (like color correction can be done say in blocks of 64x64 (which fits into a 16KB L1 cpu cache block)).
This just means mutliple effects can be applied on a 64x64px scale reducing the number of transfers from memory to cache when processing data(yes even the N100 is going to be botlenecked by slow memory).
11:14 "And right now is a h...very exciting time for me"
Could've sworn there was a hellaæøœ coming
That's because it's AI generated 🤫
Your passion and enthusiasm for CPUs in the current market is so endearing.
This PC is two times cheaper than 8 gigs of ram in a Macbook. Pretty impressive tbh.
Oh wow, didn't think of it in that way.
I'm really a fan of these CPU and GPU videos Philip makes, because he does them from a normal consumer's perspective, instead of just wanking on the latest and greatest, most expensive things like many dedicated tech channels. Actually, one of these videos was the reason I switched to AMD in 2018 and I'm really happy with that choice still.
Something you didn't mention that is becoming increasingly important in MT workloads is figuring out where the application stops really scaling with more cores and which cores you should use at that core count. The main thing I do on my personal machines is software development and with the languages I use now I only really ever use 14c/28t at once.
At that thread count my two options are really the 14700k or 7950x, and while the AMD might have lower performance when all cores are saturated I'm not going to be saturating them. In a 14c MT test those full Zen 4 cores are going to outpace those E cores a lot, making AMD a better option.
For a lot of professionals I think the advice of "get whatever has the better MT score" is quickly becoming harder to agree with software usually doesn't scale linearly and I really wish tech media would mention it more.
just as i was about to watch this video i remembered your klik empire video and i just wanted to say that i really enjoy your CPU videos and have for as long as ive been watching them (including bygone era advice cos they are fun) i hope that you enjoyed making this video because i would love for you to continue making more like them, you are one of the big creators i watch where i am actually axcited to klik and see when you have a new video. have a good day chap. -your fan
you will babble, i will listen
"Babababaabab ybiffrwf dadadadaddaaa"
Great words from 2Kliksphilip, that we'll listen.
; *
I love that you have this fascination for analyzing stuff nobody else wants to and letting us see your outcome
I used to be a NVDIA and Intel "fanboy" for many years. Last year though i got myself a new gaming pc with the Ryzen 7 5800x3D and the 7900XT and i absolutely love it.
Thought the quality of this video is a little bit off (and no 4K) until you said it was made on the mini PC and then it all makes sense
I still fell like 4k (along with 5g) is one of those technologies simply made to waste everyone's money.
Thunderbolt 5.0 support in cpus is coming out too which makes external GPUs very viable now for many tasks that are optimized decently. Most tasks avoid gpu to cpu back and forth communication anyways because of the latency.
Most tasks are a throughput problem.
And thunderbolt 5.0 has reached very viable throughput imo.
It very much shrinks the gap between laptops and desktops even more.
yeah shrink the gap as long as you carry arround a massive eGPU enclosure with you that takes up more space than the laptop itself
I have already watched this video three times over... Your computer part ramblings are so edutaining!
When I start hearing Digadig... I already know that this is going to be one of the greatest 15 minutes of babbling.
It's always a Helluvalot of a time. Thanks for the breakdown Phillip
When fx cpus succ 120w it was like the worst thing that ever happened in cpu history and now intels 400w consumption is a selling point
This really is like intel's bulldozer but if bulldozer was a actually competitive, what you got from bulldozer back then was:
- technically more cores (treating threads as cores iirc)
- higher clockspeed
- higher power draw and more heat
Now with intel you get:
- technically more cores (through low power efficiency cores)
- higher clockspeed
- higher power draw and more heat
Like seriously the parallels are uncanny when you think about it.
I love these sorts of videos from you!
And I totally agree, it's crazy how awesome the CPU market is right now for the consumer :D
very interesting indeed, helped me reconsider a cpu upgrade atm. keep yapping 2kliks!
straight to the point, valuable perspective. always love when you upload
GPUs are like houses now.
Thank you for mentioning the 3100! I got the 3100 for 80$ back in mid-2021 paired with a 1650 and let me tell you that cheap CPU was more capable than I gave it credit for. I upgraded to a 5600 I got for 150$ and the difference was noticeable immediately yet I was still deep down thinking how incredible it was to get such a competent CPU for less than 100$ back in the market then and it ran so cool with the stock Wraith cooler never failing to reach max boost clocks. I sold that PC with the 3100+1650 to a friend with a steep discount and she works and games with it, it meets all her needs and that PC will fulfill its duties for years to come without a hitch.
love that you share your hype for the modern battle of the CPU market. I am equally thrilled about the future of CPUs
My PFsense router is hosted on an SFF PC I bought from a local government for $70. Still doing it's thing five years later. its amazing the value you can get on the used market.
3:40 was actually hilarious. glad I wasn't looking away for that
I love it when someone just shares their passion for computer tech. I started my PC with a 6700K from Intel which was great at the time, then I held onto it for probably four years before upgrading to the 5900X from AMD; MASSIVE leap in performance for rendering and relativelyy fair price. Now the market is so much more interesting for finding hardware that suits your needs, ranging from brute-force power to efficiency and punch
Don't know why, but I always enjoy hearing you just chatter about hardware. Even if it isn't the most information rich, sometimes I do learn something new and see a different perspective
12:34 This is one of Intel's greatest shortcomings in their marketing.
E-Cores aren't Power Efficient. They are space-efficient. In a sense that Intel can fit 4 E-cores in the space of 1 P-core on the CPU "die".
I haven't found any benchmarks that substantiate "Power Efficiency" claims. On the contrary, the P-cores deliver more performance per watt compared to the E-cores.
Thank you! It's so nice to see people that get it, so to speak. The only power efficient part of the E-core is that their lowest usage is lower than a P-core. So if you have like a really light task you can theoretically set your E-cores at 400 MHz and they will sip power. Especially nice if you can tune the voltage for them too. But it's a rather niche case.
Depends on the task, for singlethreaded tasks, of course the P-cores are power efficient, but for multicore they are terrible.
Without the E-cores, i would be stuck with the i9-10900K's 100 watt iddle power draw instead of 5 watts on my 12700K, making the 10900K useless for a Digital Audio Workstation.
@saricubra2867 theres no way 10900k has 100w idle power draw
i tend to make it a point to watch all new vids uploaded across your channels. i am halfway through this trying so hard to gaslight myself into thinking i care enough to finish it. i can do this
As someone who's not that tech-savvy, and is thinking of building a new PC, this video has helped me catch up on a lot of things, especially for CPUs. This video was a godsent for me. Thanks!
I have to say Phillip no matter what the video topic is across your multiple channels I always find your videos very calming and they often help me sleep. I thank you
I love Philip's look at the tech industry and his insights.
Ever since I build my new PC I stopped looking at PC hardwares for a while, but every once in a while I love to watch your videos talking about these stuff
Oh no, userclenchbark has bought phillips...
Great video, dude, as always
I brought a 5800x3d a few months ago, despite the 7000 series / 13 and 14th gen being out i still went zen 3 since i still had my old b550 motherboard and its been great! I don't feel like im missing out on much with the faster and newer gens, but after building my friend a 13900k system i can tell just how beastly the new intel CPUs are! (my last intel product being the i7 7700k)
This market is perfect timing as well since im looking to upgrade my old gaming server and the Ryzen APUs and even the i3's of this gen are pretty capable in terms of gaming performance... Now if only NVIDIA and AMD would come down from their high horse of pricing in the GPU market... Great video as always Philip!
I upgraded from a Haswell i7 to the Alder Lake 12700K. Extremely overkill CPU, totally worth it, fast shader compilation and THE Intel CPU for streaming.
I feel like I can almost predict the vibe of the next segment in the video, positive, negative, intriguing or thrilling, simply based on the queued track that's been playing alongside the videos over the years (including recent tracks). Amazing how a familar soundtrack can do that.
0:46 Anyone else love that hellleeelll of a lot Phillip does?
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS! Script at 03:00 is HILARIOUS :D
I absolutely love these in detail hardware overviews. Very enjoyable and informative.
I bought a ryzen 5500 for around 100 euros, no complaints.
Does everything i ask it to do
I love hearing people ramble about technology, my favourite genre out there. Also can you kindly tell me the name for the background music you used, that kinda music goes perfect with such tech discussion vids, remind me of 2010s, good times.
fantastic babble. dont get much of this kinda content from other pc hardware youtubers so its great to see
2:04 that's because your expectation of "easier tasks" are actually harder on the cpu than you thought, and since cpu doesn't waste time ever not being utilised at 100% in high demanding tasks, it's above your expectations. Easy.
My man just called the ryzen 7 7800x3d "great midrange" 💀 its literally the best processor for gaming rn
Gaming is a mid-range CPU task, the high end involves rendering 3d scenes and videos and doing AI shit.
All of those are GPU tasks XD@@Jetsetlemming
@@JetsetlemmingNah, i almost literally burned my i7-12700K with a Digital Audio Workstation.
That Pause at 3:05 made me think my internet. was playing up. 🤣🤣
Honestly this video really makes me hope that the next generation of Intel Arc ends up being their Ryzen moment, because the current GPU market absolutely sucks (as you mentioned), and with the recent AI boom, Intel has a lot of motivation to get their GPU division up to snuff.
7:40 having the same amount of cores since Ryzen released really bums me out. I want configuration like Intel has, but without the 400W TDP.
im always more excited for your videos than hardware developments tbh
3:20 Ehh, I still prefer AMD by a long shot. My opinion hasn't changed over the last few years. In my country, a 7800X3D costs less than a 14700K and performs better in games while using less power and being less hot. In my country at least, you'd be insane to go with Intel.
@@2kliksphilip I didn't. In fact, I had an Intel CPU at the time when the Ryzen 1000 series came out. You didn't have to take what I said so literal. I just meant it as a general, casual statement, but if you must know, since the 2000 series then. I've been building PCs for more than 15 years and switched between Intel and AMD over the years. I'm just saying I still prefer AMD nowadays when it comes to the business side of things, when it comes to performance, and when it comes to pricing in my country. Don't have to be so defensive about it: I did not prefer Ryzen 1000 over Intel's 7000 series.
No matter how powerful CPUs get my software bosses will keep saying "don't spend any time on performance, hardware is just grtting better anyway" and software will keep getting slower and worse
have to disagree with intel being the high multicore performance option now. in my experience many high core count compute tasks can not properly take advantage of both P and E cores, which just leaves you with an 8 core 14900k that has some additional cores unused you can maybe use for background tasks. (CFD, FEA and photogrammetry are the big ones where I experienced that) if you use all the available cores the faster threads just just to wait on the slower ones and your overall performance goes down significantly over just using the P cores
that's probably also why intels server and workstation offerings don't seem to use E cores
CPUs, SSDs/Stoage, Cases, RAM, Coolers have all improved so much in price or perfomance or both over the recent years, with gpus and motherboards seem to just be trailing behind in how expensive they remain
Cool video! It's really nice watching content that's positive, rather than the constant stream of negativity that goes around. Not to say if you were negative that'd be horrified and unsub forever feeling betrayed, just me mood right now.
This video probably needs an update with the Intel 13th and 14th gen instability issues getting more and more attention. I don't think it's worth recommending a xx700/K/KS or xx900/K/KS having to hope you don't get one of the fast degrading chips or maybe worse is getting one that degrades in a years time when it might be harder to RMA. At least until Intel actually says or does something about it. Right now, they seem to be hoping it blows over and their core 200 products change the narrative while so many of their customers have to deal with the problems of their last gen (yes I count 13th and 14th as same gen, because they are).
4:31 looking at avg fps is very misleading since the bigger prop. is low 1% 0.1% with "budget" cpus like the ryzen 5 in newer games!
Atleast in my exp.!
I've never seen someone more excited for e-cores!
i hope they get even more competitive about it so we as consumer can have more of the benefits
I still love my 5800X3D. That extra cache really makes sense when you try it in games. It has a huge effect on 1% lows, which has eliminated microstutters entirely.
When Intel starts making affordable high-performance chips with a similar amount of cache, I will consider them an option.
I have a 12700K, i bought it for the IPC, not the cache, i paired it with DDR5 as well, it demolishes your 5800X3D on PS3 emulation.
@@saricubra2867 I don't know about that specific use case, but okay. Congratulations.
can always listen to you talk about tech
I'd usually go for the cheapest 6 core but since there's now a non insubstantial amount of games that love insane cpus, I spend almost as much on them as gpu and don't really have much of a choice about it
Really waiting for Intel to step up their game right now. Apart from the low to mid range. The fact that the 13900k vs the 7950x both trade blows in productivity/high core works loads yet the 7950x is 100w less in terms of power (which also means heat) seems like a no Brainer right now. Same with the 13700k and the 7900x. I don't think I can advise Intel for anyone outside of like a 13600k and below, and I work in retail for pc parts and I've been making these recommendations for a while now. Of course some people will still go Intel because they don't trust amd (for some reason)
Hopefully their next gen will be awesome because zen 5 seems like Intel is in big trouble, and I love AMD but we need competition man...
@@2kliksphilip oh absolutely they're absolutely pushing it so they can appear on top hahaha. Kinda cool that u don't have to stress about oc anymore coz they do it for you! xD
I paid 330 dollars for my 12700K new, it's absurd how fast it is for the price i paid it, it makes the Ryzen 7 1700's value at launch look stupid.
Another Banger Video. Thank you!
What a banger of a video!
I am not a semiconductor engineer, but this is my understanding: Chips made of a bunch of chiplets connected together are necessary because the new process nodes using EUV lithography have a very limited area of wafer in focus at one time, only centimeters wide, and it took some heroics to get it that large. Everybody will eventually be using them for performance desktop chips, whether they connect them by multiple exposures using larger interconnects, or mechanically.
You can get better yields per wafer on chiplets compared to a monolithic design so it's cheaper to produce more working chips but that cost gets offset by the interconnect. It also helps scale a product like AMD are doing with epyc and threadripper and planning to do with GPUs.
Everyone will definitely switch to a chiplet design especially as we get closer to 1nm. As nodes get smaller it takes a lot more time to increase yield rate so for example you have a monolithic chip that has a defective Io that chip is basically scrap now with a chiplet process you can just make it work as it's an independent part, same thing with cores.
I think yield was the reasoning ten or twenty years ago, but now it's just not feasible to do a single photomask for a performance-CPU-sized chip.@@xfy123
The ocular limit will be reduced from like 850mm^2 to 430mm^2 (only for Intel, the other chipmakers don't plan to buy those new tools yet). Currently on the consumer GPU front even something as powerfull as the RTX4080 is only around 380mm^2 which means chiplets won't be necessary in that segment. On the server/data center market Intel has recently released their newest Xeons with up to 64 cores on 2x750mm^2 chiplets which is already impossible to make on a single die and it's forced to compete with AMD's up to 96 Zen4, 96 Zen4 x3D and 128 Zen4c core Epyc products.
The way it was explained to me, yields used to be a justification, but today the EUV process is just fundamentally constrained. To do a big chip you need to precisely optically align wide interconnects for chiplets on a bunch of photomasks, or mechanically connect them.@@xfy123
Hello Phillip, are you interested to revisit VR gaming as of right now? Would be really interesting to hear your take on it. Quest 3 came out recently, it may be the wireless vr headset we were waiting for, but is it worth it? Anyway, thanks for the great work, love watching your content.
This video is so fire thanks Phil
5:56 "Do Kliksphilips Dream of Processors?"
the highlighting at 3:45 made me laugh out loud.
12:28 The E cores are the latest iteration of the intel atom line, so the N100 is just an atom chip with newer branding
Pleasantly surprised to see you don't have any affiliate links in your description at all, not that it matters but most people making these sorts of videos just make them as an excuse to pad their descriptions with a bunch of links
Build a dirt-cheap Ryzen 5700G-based Linux rig last year, mostly from used components, and couldn't be happier with it as my main system.
It effortlessly lets me play Alien Isolation with just the integrated graphics and the bog-standard amdgpu driver that comes with openSUSE Leap 15.5.
It compiles my custom kernels in far below 3 minutes and gets barely over 60°C while doing it (using nothing but the standard cooler that came eith the 5700G).
Intel Stock went up 5% when this Video dropped
also a big plus point for the 5xxx series is that you can use some older mainboards, such as the msi b350 that i used for my 2600, by just updating the bios.
Can confirm about the Ryzen 5 5600. I bought a 5600x (basically same thing) on release and it can do everything. It's crazy. The 5600G being that price is beyond superb for extreme budget gaming or for home PCs. I'm thinking of using it for my parent's build. And the fact that the 5800X3D is on AM4 just makes the 5600 even better.
I don't even ever think about upgrading to the 5800x3D anyway because the 5600 is already great. It's never inconvenienced me once.
I upgraded my younger bro's Athlon 200GE to a Ryzen 5600G in January. The difference was night and day. God bless AM4
i've been using the 12100f for about a year now in conjunction with a 6700xt and can wholeheartedly recommend both, i havent had any trouble at all running games, unless its late game hoi 4 at max speed but still perfectly playable
The iGPUs are set to become incredible in the next few years. For example, Ryzen 7 8700G with the Radeon 780M graphics can beat out many, if not most brand new sub-$200 GPUs.
Yes it's a $300 CPU, but if your budget is tight, you can think of it as a $150 CPU and a $150 GPU in one package.
Also it saves you from buying a 5 to 7 year old GPU which could lose support any day now.
They don't beat modern sub-$200 GPUs quite, moreso 10 and 16 series GPUs at that price.
I agree that for sub-$400 or so systems that need all-new parts, or for needing low power consumption or small size though, these APUs are very impressive. I just wish they'd put the good iGPUs on the 6 core CPU too.
Also the $150 GPUs can be under 5 years old, such as the RX 5700XT, RX 6600, RTX 2060, RTX 3060, and so on.
@@jamesbuckwas6575 I guess GPU prices still vary a lot from market to market. Over here you'd consider yourself lucky for finding a bottom of the barrel 3050 for under 250€.
@@masterkamen371 You're right, I forgot about markets that have different pricing compared to the US, my mistake.
For sure in those markets, APUs likely are cheaper than discrete GPUs from a couple of generations ago. In those cases an APU also makes a lot of sense to purchase, and to upgrade with a dGPU later!
@@jamesbuckwas6575 Yeah, prices are so ridiculous here that I'm going to other countries just to purchase PC components. Some GPUs are literally 2x cheaper that way.
i love "philip babbles about pc hardware" i keep watching the old AMD RX500/400 series videos
I'm a simple man, Philip uploads, I like before I've even started the video.
I will be excited about GPUs again when we can get 4090 performance for ~800$. Besides that, I think APUs are pretty exciting right now. I'm looking forward to the next generation of handhelds.
The N100 is a really cool CPU, it's cheap and extremely power efficient, but the big thing for me is the fact that it has hardware video acceleration (QuickSync). This might be what is helping power through modern games easier than old ones, though I'm not sure. What I can say is that it absolutely does help immensely for video encoding/decoding, and explains why you found email browsing slower than video editing. I set up one of these mini PC's with an N100 as a media server, and to my complete surprise it can do 6+ 4K transcodes at once, I didn't even bother testing any more. Using software decoding it would be struggling with just 1. And plus, this was with extremely modern formats such as 10-bit HEVC, VP9, and AV1. Having this on a little efficient mini PC and an AMD 3D cache CPU on my gaming PC is a really awesome setup, and I didn't even have to spend that much. We've come a long way haha
It’s funny I’ve stumbled upon this video because I started looking into CPUs for a lot of the same reasons
This video is exactly what i didnt need right now, i dont want to spend the money so im no longer cpu bottlenecked in every game. It would be so worth it tho, thanks philip
That ending came out of nowhere 😂
Epic ending 😁
I ended up using a R5 4600G for a buddy of mine. He's doing mostly office stuff, and the APU is overkill on both the IGPU side and on the 6 cores side. Funny enough, I would have went for the R3 4300G, but the price difference to the 4600G was just 14 USD. Either the 4600G was heavily discounted, or the 4300G was badly priced.
Regardless, I felt no remorse spending the extra to get the 4600G, even though the 4 cores part would have been absolutely fine.
Looking at those gpu charts i remember playing at 800x600 😊
Ryzen 5 5600 here.
I paired it with a MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX, some random, used 16 GB 3200 RAM and a used GTX 1660 Super.
The CPU really is a blast, so glad I went with AMD here.
Runs CS2 with medium settings and 1080p at about 180-240 FPS.
For less than 500€ you can get a still very competitive gaming PC with this amazing CPU platform.
the one thing that has gone crazy recently is the prices of motherboards and their features being limited to super expensive boards you used to get onboard power/reset and 9 panel readouts now you need to spend a fortune to get basic troubleshooting equipment
CPU market really is great. I recently upgraded from a 1600 that was somehow trucking along to a 5700x3d. Definitely don’t need it, it’s totally under-utilised with my GTX 1070, but I’ve got an overkill am4 motherboard, so it made sense to upgrade to the second best gaming cpu on the platform when it only costs €200. My standards aren’t high, so it’ll probably be good enough for my needs for another 5 years at least.
8:57 true for me. i am using intel's i5-11600kf and am now waiting for the 7800x3d to arrive since it's on AM5 and i know that I've got at least the 8000 series to upgrade to in the future if i wanted to. if i stuck with intel and went 14th gen i'd have no upgrade path. newegg 7800x3d combo (with motherboard and 32 GB 6400 cl 32 ddr5 ram) ran me $566 after tax.
Zen C cores have less cache because you simply don't need that much cache at lower clock speeds. In tasks other than gaming, a Zen 4C core doesn't see any significant performance boost from 32 MB of L3. AMD small cores are just energy-efficient, space-optimized standard cores. They just rearrange a Zen 4/5 core so it can take up less space and cut out the features that are useless at lower clock speeds.
5 months later
Zen 5: Allow me to introduce myself
Performance per watt has stagnated though and is incremental at best. Id like to see near threshold computing advancements and big leaps in performance at the top end of way over 100% not 10%.
thank you Philip