Without having watched part two I already like this tree. I have always found trees in nature that have struggled, and survived, to be very interesting looking. This tree is looking like it has been beaten back, partially uprooted, and has tenaciously refused to give up.
A very interesting video dealing with a complex tree. Lots of issues and challenges to consider. At times I found myself saying, “no” and other times, “yeah” good choice”. But, you are the owner/styler, so at the end of the day, you are the one who will live with this tree. Nice to see this challenging video and looking forward to part 2. Cheers!
such a fantastic collaboration and discussion of the reasons and visions. and you employ a bunch of the techniques seen individually in many videos. great video.
Wow, it's such a treat to see you do some advanced styling work! I enjoy that in most of your videos your process is so focused on the basics, the core repotting pruning cycle... since that's the bread and butter of improving the trees. But it's fun see how you approach naturalism in a very complex styling on a tree that has grown far outside of the "ideal forms".
Oh my gosh! This is my kind of tree! I love unique and strange! That root is one of a kind! It was very interesting to see you both struggle through that! I'm going to watch Part 2 right now!
Excellent video with great team work guys ! This is definitely not an easy one, but I think you guys did a great job and will look great in the future. I look forward to part 2 !
I haven't watched part 2 yet but I keep looking at the main trunk and seeing it as deadwood with lower branches only surving. I see an amazing bonsai hidden in there
Nigel, you reference Lake Superior's North Shore. Have you ever seen Gooseberry Falls? The white cedars there are incredible for a few reasons. One is that they grow on basalt bedrock and their roots are exposed by erosion and foot traffic. This tree reminds me of those trees in its character.
@@TheBonsaiZone I can also see this almost as a contest... 2 person teams, x hours, divided into discussion/planning and action, both have to cut, wire, rake etc... it could be crazy fun...
@@TheBonsaiZone sir I'm very passionate about conifers, but I live in an area where summer temperatures exceed 40 degree Celsius and even exceed 45 degrees For a few days... Please Help me care my conifers through the summer heat...
I remember hiking with my brother in the Rockies. We came upon a rise towards a location that was supposed to have a lake. As we broke the ridge the lake could be seen, but so was this lovely pine that was hit by lightning. It was split in half half was dead and the other half gave the thunder and lightning a big FU.
A brave transformation and I think it has some interesting features With regards the jin process, I prefer Peter Chan’s method which I think leaves a more natural look than whittling it to a tooth pick point. Either way, there’s time for refinement in the future and I look forward to watching Part 2
I think it can be the better Halloween tree 😊 make a simple spooky scenery with it (mini witches house+owl instead of monks /safari) I think it'll be smashing and feel right at home 👌❤💕
It is understandable that one asks oneself after such a strong intervention if one did everything correctly. I think the bonsai will show off its potential with a new sprout and one day it will become a beautiful tree.
I don't understand the pointed deadwood tradition. I live in Colorado and only see such points on the ends of small branches off the main branch. Never on a dead medium to large branch stump.
@@LetsDoBonsai I had to laugh because both of you looked at the tree and winced a few times. In the end it turned out nice and with a little growth it's potential will be revealed.
I love these cedars. Got married near invermere BC this summer, went looking for a red cedar (seen some 100km to the north last year) but did not find one sadly... Picked up 2 junipers (one I don't know if it will survive, been downhill since 😣 but we shall see) and 2 different conifers (not sure species, one has real short needles the other has 2.5" needles) Still, want a cedar.... Perhaps next trip to bc
This Thuja has a common name of Eastern White Cedar, although it is not a true cedar it is an Arbhorvitae. Red Cedar is not a true Cedar either it is actually a juniper. Juniperous virginiana.
Wanted to say also there is a Western white cedar, Thuja plicatum it is a giant Arbhorvitae from the Rockies. Most common names for plants were made by average people who had no botanical training hence the common names are in reality approximations when referencing cedars and what not.
There were many ways to tackle this tree, this video shows our thoughts about our decisions and the end result. It is just the beginning for the tree and will require much work in the future. A professional bonsai artist would have to go through the exact same process, and I'm sure every person would have a different outcome. That is what makes art and individual expression. There is no right or wrong.
I would just try and wrap some wire around a branch that you do not like too much like the one that you analyse at 35:47 and see how it would look if it would just fuse with it over time
This might actually turn up pretty nice, eventually. I at least keep meh hopes up! Gotta check Scotts channel too, he seems to be on top of things and has similar thoughts as you do. Thanks for both. Cheers!
Honestly in my eyes you ruined a tree that had a lot more potential that the end results shows. I would have prefered to make it a wind swept style, removing the lower branches, bending the tip over and some branches onto the right side. The use of wire would have solve a lot of problems, so you wouldn't have to cut away all of the branches. No it really looks like a a stick and because you removed so much foliage it will take some time to recover from that. For the next time you create deadwood, you should not begin to carve it like the tip of a spear. Break the branch with the tongs, so it looks more natural. Sorry for my honesty but this time my heart bled and I always thought, just wire and bend... I understand the clip and grow on deciduous trees, but not on conifers. Greetings!
Without having watched part two I already like this tree. I have always found trees in nature that have struggled, and survived, to be very interesting looking.
This tree is looking like it has been beaten back, partially uprooted, and has tenaciously refused to give up.
Thank you for all the great videos! Your loyal watchers appreciate!
Thank you Matthew, part 2 actually has bloopers at the end! It is uploading now.
I love the push for originality and breaking some rules. I like that tree.
Interesting how the two of you are explaining with each step what you are doing. Moving on to part 2.
The tree begins to look much better in part 2!
A very interesting video dealing with a complex tree. Lots of issues and challenges to consider. At times I found myself saying, “no” and other times, “yeah” good choice”. But, you are the owner/styler, so at the end of the day, you are the one who will live with this tree. Nice to see this challenging video and looking forward to part 2. Cheers!
Thank Lee, it begins to look good in part 2!
Looks like the Sorting Hat, what a strange, wonderful tree, such character, I love it
such a fantastic collaboration and discussion of the reasons and visions. and you employ a bunch of the techniques seen individually in many videos. great video.
Wow, it's such a treat to see you do some advanced styling work! I enjoy that in most of your videos your process is so focused on the basics, the core repotting pruning cycle... since that's the bread and butter of improving the trees. But it's fun see how you approach naturalism in a very complex styling on a tree that has grown far outside of the "ideal forms".
14:59 "There's a few naughty parts that need a little bit of extra pressure... Quite a satisfying feel."
Oh my.
Ah, that would be knotty parts!!!!! Yuk, yuk!
Oh my gosh! This is my kind of tree! I love unique and strange! That root is one of a kind! It was very interesting to see you both struggle through that! I'm going to watch Part 2 right now!
This was funny. I had a good time . I like the trunk. Now I’m curious to watch part 2.
Part 2 has bloopers!
That tree is my personal favourite🌲❣️
Brave cuts..
I hope it will do some backbudding.
Hi Nigel,
Love the video and especially how you give us a look into your thought process!
Excellent video with great team work guys ! This is definitely not an easy one, but I think you guys did a great job and will look great in the future. I look forward to part 2 !
Thank you J, things seem to come together in part 2, luckily!
I haven't watched part 2 yet but I keep looking at the main trunk and seeing it as deadwood with lower branches only surving. I see an amazing bonsai hidden in there
The tree begins to look quite good in part 2!
@@TheBonsaiZone I've just finished part 2 .
Great vid Nigel cheers from the land down under.
Nigel, you reference Lake Superior's North Shore. Have you ever seen Gooseberry Falls? The white cedars there are incredible for a few reasons. One is that they grow on basalt bedrock and their roots are exposed by erosion and foot traffic. This tree reminds me of those trees in its character.
From many mistakes beauty can be found...
Time will change it as with all things, five years from now your tree might just be the winner you wanted.
"We're not normal!" Best quote of this video! Really like this bonsai! Lots of good thoughts from two different people. Nice job guys, way to filter.
Stay tuned for bloopers at the end of part 2!
Very beautiful bonsai tree
Thank you, part 2 is almost uploaded, let me know what you think of the final result!
Beautiful bonsai
I like the "tag-team-bonsai" feel to this vlog
Thank you, it was really fun working with Scott! We'll try for another video in future!
@@TheBonsaiZone I can also see this almost as a contest... 2 person teams, x hours, divided into discussion/planning and action, both have to cut, wire, rake etc... it could be crazy fun...
Sir please try Platycladus orientalis, Cedrus deodara and mulberry trees... I'm very excited to see how you do them...
Excellent trees for bonsai, I'll add them to my wish list!
@@TheBonsaiZone sir I'm very passionate about conifers, but I live in an area where summer temperatures exceed 40 degree Celsius and even exceed 45 degrees For a few days...
Please Help me care my conifers through the summer heat...
I remember hiking with my brother in the Rockies. We came upon a rise towards a location that was supposed to have a lake. As we broke the ridge the lake could be seen, but so was this lovely pine that was hit by lightning. It was split in half half was dead and the other half gave the thunder and lightning a big FU.
Nice Michael!!
A brave transformation and I think it has some interesting features
With regards the jin process, I prefer Peter Chan’s method which I think leaves a more natural look than whittling it to a tooth pick point. Either way, there’s time for refinement in the future and I look forward to watching Part 2
I would have suggested a raft style... I think you're past that now :)
I'm looking forward to part 2.
Both Scott and I discussed that possibility and I'm sure we could have made it work, Thanks!
@@TheBonsaiZone There's always that one fella in the back that thinks he's got all the answers... ; ) Cheers!
Great job Nigel! You and Scott did a great work there my friend! 👍😀
We had a really fun time making the video together, part 2 is uploading now!
Nigel Saunders, The Bonsai Zone
Foist hahaha
You have to wait until the video is uploaded, no pre Foist's allowed!
Nigel, what do foist mean? I see that a lot on your comments.
i know ..just a joke !
Your ugly duckling will turn out to be your favorite one day!
Let me know what you think of the tree at the end of part 2...also watch for the bloopers at the end!
I think it can be the better Halloween tree 😊 make a simple spooky scenery with it (mini witches house+owl instead of monks /safari) I think it'll be smashing and feel right at home 👌❤💕
It is understandable that one asks oneself after such a strong intervention if one did everything correctly. I think the bonsai will show off its potential with a new sprout and one day it will become a beautiful tree.
Thank you, l look forward to your thoughts of the tree at the end of part 2!
@@TheBonsaiZone I am very curious how it goes on.
Almost as if the Zone were illustrating a novel through Trees and creating characters fighting for survival...
I don't understand the pointed deadwood tradition. I live in Colorado and only see such points on the ends of small branches off the main branch. Never on a dead medium to large branch stump.
All trees have potential we just have to be patient
Very true, let me know what you think of the result in part 2!
@@TheBonsaiZone I'll surely watch for it
@@LetsDoBonsai I had to laugh because both of you looked at the tree and winced a few times. In the end it turned out nice and with a little growth it's potential will be revealed.
I wanna see the the conversation s they had. Does Nigel sit around drinking spritsers and say things like "is this tree about to fall off a mountain?"
do you have an update on this one, nigel?
haven't seen this one in a year
Go bonsai!
Thanks William!
I thhink the kurled root are very interesting. Its not a bad thing at all!
Yes it turned out to be a positive I think!
I think it looks good
Thank you Zack, I'm liking it also!
I love these cedars. Got married near invermere BC this summer, went looking for a red cedar (seen some 100km to the north last year) but did not find one sadly... Picked up 2 junipers (one I don't know if it will survive, been downhill since 😣 but we shall see) and 2 different conifers (not sure species, one has real short needles the other has 2.5" needles)
Still, want a cedar.... Perhaps next trip to bc
This Thuja has a common name of Eastern White Cedar, although it is not a true cedar it is an Arbhorvitae. Red Cedar is not a true Cedar either it is actually a juniper. Juniperous virginiana.
Wanted to say also there is a Western white cedar, Thuja plicatum it is a giant Arbhorvitae from the Rockies. Most common names for plants were made by average people who had no botanical training hence the common names are in reality approximations when referencing cedars and what not.
Thanks Jesse and D K!
Rockin the man bun again I see 😁
I'm always having fun with the hair!
@@TheBonsaiZone You should buzz it then grow it back! That's what I do
I think, professional bonsai artist can solve that problem... Yamadori joined the group
There were many ways to tackle this tree, this video shows our thoughts about our decisions and the end result. It is just the beginning for the tree and will require much work in the future. A professional bonsai artist would have to go through the exact same process, and I'm sure every person would have a different outcome. That is what makes art and individual expression. There is no right or wrong.
Very good information
Thank you, a long video, but I just couldn't cut any out, I thought it was all good!
Very nice sir
Quite a challenge this one!
I hope this won't be a three part story, because at the end of part three there will be nothing left than a pot of soil 🤣
Funny! Just part 2 to go, let me know what you think of it in the end!
@@TheBonsaiZone I will. Nice work so far. Thank you for sharing this with us.
parabéns e uma arvore bem interessantes para bonsai
Obrigado, fica melhor na parte 2, deixe-me saber o que você acha do resultado final!
I think you should look at the big picture I thing its got a potential
Has it been three years? Jeez!
I couldn't believe it either, time is flying by!
I would just try and wrap some wire around a branch that you do not like too much like the one that you analyse at 35:47 and see how it would look if it would just fuse with it over time
That would certainly give it movement and a really rugged look!
Nigel have you ever used jhin pliers?
Ive been binge watching Nigel. Please someone explain his hair. Nigel! Let me know!
It's just my crazy hair!
@@TheBonsaiZone hey good enough for me!
Everyone knows: In short or long time the ugly duck will become a ravishing swan.
excellent
Thank you!
thank you 😍
Part 2 is uploading now!
I think I asked you before, but can’t find your answer. Didn’t this specific tree die? So sorry if it did.😞
Yes, I think I took too much off the roots and re potted out of season. It's too bad, I liked the tree!
Wonder what Peter chan hade done to that tree 😉 my bet is a cascade
Possibly!
EVERY ANGLE SHOULD BE THE FRONT OF THE TREE, THAT IS ALWAYS A CHALLANGE
Is this work being done mid September?
Yes, I'm hoping for a full recovery before winter hits, i will protect the tree well from the cold and wind.
I hope, oneday we can make bonsai video together...
We might some day, you never know!
That tree doesn't need to cut branches.. All you need is to wire that tree... You ruend that beautiful tree...
The branches were too long with no taper, to create a good miniature tree, they had to go.
Won't the tree die if you report it now?
The tree is doing well. it will have to be protected in the winter as the new roots will be quite tender, but it should survive!
It may be an ugly duckling but I like it
You seem to have lost the vision. If I'm alive in 5 years, please show it.
This might actually turn up pretty nice, eventually. I at least keep meh hopes up! Gotta check Scotts channel too, he seems to be on top of things and has similar thoughts as you do. Thanks for both. Cheers!
Part 2 is uploading now, bloopers at the very end!
@@TheBonsaiZone Oh yes, I just noticed ^^, Different timezone (Finland), so I usually have my morning coffee with you!
Honestly in my eyes you ruined a tree that had a lot more potential that the end results shows. I would have prefered to make it a wind swept style, removing the lower branches, bending the tip over and some branches onto the right side. The use of wire would have solve a lot of problems, so you wouldn't have to cut away all of the branches. No it really looks like a a stick and because you removed so much foliage it will take some time to recover from that. For the next time you create deadwood, you should not begin to carve it like the tip of a spear. Break the branch with the tongs, so it looks more natural. Sorry for my honesty but this time my heart bled and I always thought, just wire and bend... I understand the clip and grow on deciduous trees, but not on conifers. Greetings!
🍁🌥️🇩🇰 . 👍👍
Thank you Jan!
At last you did your hair right !
The hair has been pruned, I'm not sure what style you would call it though!
much better though...
At 36:20 the tree looks a bit like a peacock
I'm willing to bet this tree died
like
Thank you very much!
For once I did not like your final product, may be the tree is not suitable or may be you are catering to the needs of your companion.
Patience is bonsai and bonsai its patience
Thank you, it does look terrible at the end of part 1, but can we make it look good? Stay tuned for part 2! (Bloopers at the end)
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Welcome to the Foist Zone Sundar!
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Thoid!
Nigel Saunders, The Bonsai Zone great video as always, enjoy the process. Looking forward to the repotting!
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Thank you for your comment Tanjid!