Sega Genesis, Sega CD, and 32X :: RGB203 / MY LIFE IN GAMING
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- Getting the Best Picture from your Sega Genesis / Mega Drive, Sega CD, and 32X! In this episode we cover all of the options for getting the best picture from your Sega Genesis, Sega CD and Sega 32X. We also cover a multitude of different hardware revisions and remodels including the X'Eye, Nomad, and CD-X.
CORRECTION: The Genesis 3 does actually output native RGB video!
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00:00 - Intro - เกม
I just realized that Coury's shirt has the "I FEEL ASLEEP" quote from the original Metal Gear.
I was trying to recall what that was.
Well to be more precise the NES port of the original metal gear
Another excellent entry to the RGB series. The Genesis really does output mind-blowingly good RGB, it's the biggest reason I wanted a Framemeister!
Lazy Game Reviews [Try4ce] And the Framemeister is the biggest reason I wanted a Genesis! OK, that's a bit shallow, the real reason I wanted a Genesis was to play the "lost" Contra and Castlevania games, Hard Corps and Bloodlines. Totally worth it, and I've since discovered a lot more on the Genesis that's to my taste than I expected! But with the Framemeister giving me a way to play the Genesis without resorting to composite video was the last push I needed to finally buy the system. Coury, on the other hand, is the life-long Sega kid.
***** Well this whole introduction to the framemeister introduced you to the Genesis and him to the NES, I'd say it's a win win situation :)
+My Life in Gaming Seeing that wallpaper of various Phantasy Star characters made me so jealous.
+My Life in Gaming you guys do an absolutely amazing well informed, well detailed job with your video's , Extremely professional quality and input...Huge and I mean HUGE fan...you guys are a real inspiration...I was looking for videos that go really deep into detail on how to get the most excellent video quality from retro consoles especially for let's players that want to play on the original hardware and getting the most bang possible ...you guys are definitely the GO TOO channel for that. Love your work ...KEEP IT UP !!! Proud subscriber.
SEGA !!
the power up altered beast sega cd moment was genius
I love those sweeps between composite and RGB. Its almost like two different games. The Megadrive’s RGB out is truly spectacular.
The model 1 always had the coolest look in my opinion. The Stereo sound being in the front is a bummer but easily overcome with a right angle headphone jack and a long audio wire :P
*Is it connected to your soundbar too or stereo system?!?*
I had to pause the video to comment... I absolutely love the Altered Beast bit where you edited it to the "power up" audio, haha. Perfect flashes and all.
I know this is an older video however keep up the great work, guys.
Those side-by-sides were gorgeous. Excellent video guys.
I had the Mega Drive not long after it's release and loved it. Loved playing Streets of Rage, Sonic, Desert Strike etc. They don't make games like that anymore :(
Just received a Genises today after knowing hardly anything about the console except the games. All the RGB stuff seems to out of my range sadly... but I'm definitely glad I watched this. It helps that I know I need a Model 2 composite cable. At least I'll get stereo audio.
Fantastic video. I LOVE my Voltron of gaming systems, my Sega Genesis, Sega CD, 32X combo! Keep up the great work!
These videos are excellent! I've just dug out my Sega Genesis, N64, and NES so I can't thank you enough!
Guys - a round of applause for the production quality on this video! Wow! Excellent work and very informative. Thank you!
Your channel has the absolute best content about retro gaming. your videos are so informative and fun that it just makes you want to watch another one as soon as other finishes.
I love the RGB series, i learned some things i didnt even know, thank you and keep up the good work!
Just got a Sega CD. Time for some info from the bestest boys.
Thank you for the brilliant advice, I have just bought a mega drive 1 and I can't wait to see how good I can get the picture and sound on my TV. Keep up the good work 😁
Great video, and that song at the end is awesome. A little sad, but also cool.
Love love love this channel!!! Excellent information on this video!
I love the way you introduced the Sega CD and 32X. Got quite the chuckle out of it.
"Power up" and then the beast transformation: you guys are epic!
Awesome video guys! Great work as always!
Great video. You guys have defiantly helped me figure out how to games running even better looking than I remember! Also the production quality of the videos is really good and makes these videos even more informative and easy to watch and the technical aspects of every possibility to get better graphics for each console really helps me figure out the best solution that suits me needs. Keep up the great work guys.
I would like to thank you, I bought an rgb cable for my japanese and pal genesis and one of the cheap rgb to hdmi devices you suggested, and it is unbelievable how the quality of video output is improved.
***** : another absolutely fantastic video. you guys are total pros. i have been rewatching the whole RGB series and drooling over the image quality you two are achieving! i just need to figure out how to afford/justify the expense of a frameister and all the cabling ;)
(your camera work and production, along with Game Sack's, are the best on TH-cam! Bravo!)
Loving your vids, guys. I really appreciate the effort you put into them. Keep up the great content.
This is mother’s milk. No idea how many times I’ve repeatedly watched this (and other such MLIG videos).
I need to get one of the retrovision cables... Thanks Coury for letting me try it and then take if back :)
Amazing summary, thanks a lot, Guys!
Couldnt love more your videos, keep doing them!!!
Love your series guys. Just subscribed.
ANother great video. I never even knew about the model 3, cd-x or the eyemega back then. That Nomad is crazy too, a Switch back in the day.
I love all the Herzog Zwei references and music!
I'm constantly impressed by the RGB output on the Genesis.
I just got my model 1 Genny/Sega CD/32X combo out of storage. Now comes the quest for all the proper cables to hook that bad boy up to the framemeister.
I got HD-Retrovision cables for my model 2 setup and am using it on a consumer CRT with component inputs. No regrets!
The composite to RGB it like OG to emulator, it's such a massive different it barley looks likes the same game
*POWER UP* Ok here's a like just for that Genesis to Sega CD add on transition!! That made my day!
Excellent job gentlemen
great videos. Love the theme music, makes me all misty eyed ha ha as this was my era of gaming too.
Finally got a decent late era CRT with Scart input. Ran my Megadrive through a DVD receiver first, and .... wow. Lovely sharp picture, five speakers and a sub woofer. Just hooked up the Saturn too, so that's my weekend sorted!
Great job with the Sega CD Altered Beast visual joke.
You guys do a fantastic job putting these videos together. Very slick and entertaining.
Craig Luft [Coury] Thanks! That was my favorite part of the video!
I remember when I saw the original RGB101 and 202 video and saw how inferior the picture quality of the Wii\WiiU emulation compared to the NES itself, but with the Genesis it's surprisingly VERY close. In fact I do like how vibrant the colors look in some of the games like Ristar, though that might be just Sonic's UGC. Also I use a Model 1 Genesis (due to hearing the differences in Audio quality) and Model 2 CD (Due to reliability and not having to use the menu to eject the disc). All in all, the Genesis is my favorite game system of all time, and it holds a near and dear place in my heart.
Great video as always guys!
***** [Try4ce] The big difference in Genesis emulation releases seems to be who developed it... Coury noted the developer in our ending comparisons. M2 is famous for treating the original material with more care and respect than a lot of other developers! They also handled the 3D Sega ports for the 3DS, as well as the better Wii U emulators, like GBA.
***** The saturation and brightness can always be increased in the RGB side. I think a lot of the "it looks pretty close" moments in the comparisons wouldn't be that close if brightness and saturation were set to the same levels. Even with the current settings, I could still see more detail in the RGB side.
I used to take what you guys said as gospel but I realised you take the quest to take video to the most high end extremes and after spending a mint following your advice I cant say the results really were worth the price and time. Now my rig is just composite video on an old TV, a genesis and a saturn and honestly it does the trick.
awesome video guys!
Great video but there is one thing you forgot to point out. While it is very nice Genesis/MD/Sega CD/32X has native RGB output there are unfortunately plenty of games on the system like the Sonic series, Streets of Rage 2&3, Shinobi III, Castlevania Bloodlines, Socket, Toy Story, Beyond Oasis, Earthworm Jim, Vectorman, Comix Zone which use dithering effects to create transparencies and extra colors via RF or composite signals. So if you want to see these effects come into play in the games I mentioned we got no choice but play on RF or composite or else we will see raw vertical lines or checker board patterns :(
Loved Eye of the Beholder, Dragon's Lair, and Lunar on Sega CD. With Jurassic Park.
Thanks for this useful info! I use my 60hz modded PAL Mega Drive 1 on a Sony Trinitron CRT with an RGB SCART cable, and it looks amazing. It doesn't look as pretty on a large Samsung HDTV without an external scaler, as when objects move, they will blur. The 'jailbar' effect is also quite noticable, but I don't think it is worth modifying my console even more.
8:57 I reckon Mark Bussler is cheering if he watched this video.
Nice comparative!
I dont even play video games anymore but I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work fellas. I watch your videos like TV shows on my lunch breaks.
Ethan is Cool I used to play them as a kid. My interest ended around the same time the 16-bit era died. I guess watching these videos reminds me of my childhood. Im not quite sure but I enjoy his videos.
Great video. Would like to see a sound comparison for the various Genesis models; wonder if it is worthwhile to track down the version that supposedly puts out the best sound.
I swear I can remember playing with the Sega nomad many years ago despite the fact that I live in the UK. I was shocked when you revealed that it's exclusive to the US because I remember recognize it so vividly! Either it was actually a game gear and my memory sucks or my nan owned an import... Wow.
Great series!
I’ve got an interesting set up for my mega drive, Input 1 on my TV has RGB from my retro consoles, and Input 2 RF through my VCR. So I often find it fun to switch between RGB and RF to see the difference, it’s really interesting. It’s also cool to have it linked up so if I do something amazing like beat a game I can record my victory to tape and replay them later.
+My Life In Gaming Do the saturn!
YESSSS
would love to see a Saturn Episode!
Saturn is their next RGB episode.
YOU MUST PLAY SEGA SATURN IN RGB!!!
I've been waiting for this episode since newer XRGB firmware have kinda broken Saturn support, for me at least.
What such a GREAT channel!
Soooooo pleased to see Landstalker pop up at the start. One of my fav games ever, my PSN ID, my online name of choice and the name of my company - Landstalker Props.
I couldn't care less about the Sega CD, but I'm addicted to these series on how to get the best picture from..., I can't help to watch them XD, keep the great work Guys!
Out of all the Genesis and Mega Drives I have tested. The Japanese Mega Drive model 1 VA 1 revision has the best RGB image. It slightly has a cleaner RGB image and the colors pop a little more than the other revisions of Genesis and Mega Drives revisions.
I adore this series. I got into RGB gaming about a year before these videos started. I really wish I had them when I started out and I really hope they're helping people experience a new level of retro love. As I type this I'm madly refreshing the tracking # for my Analogue NT. I can't wait to experience NES/Famicom in RGB/HDMI. Until it gets here (thursday!), I'll continue to enjoy my Wonder Mega in all its glory ;)
+InnovaX5 [Coury] The most basic idea of these were to make videos on the subject we wished existed when we started. Easy to understand but fun to watch and getting as deep as needed.
We are planning on doing "point" updates for videos if new tech comes out (ex. "RGB202.1"). The Analogue Nt is something we'd love to get our hands on, and that would be a good impetus for us to do an update video.
You guys are great.
13:16 Sonic Mega Collection Plus actually supports native 480p, just hold X and Triangle while the game boots up. i think it looks good on an HDTV even without the upscale to 1080p.
Awesome Chanel !! I'm Subscribing right now !!
This vídeos are awesome! Do a rgb episode for Dreamcast :D
Frixed Dubzcore Toro VGA Box is the best. Done
What if your using a CRT, than the dc HDMI is useless, the only exception is using a PVM that supports 720p, and HD SDI, along with an adapter.
original hardware on a crt always and forever ;)
+treepizzle I'll pass on the CRT.
+Lord Rayken yeah after having a flat screen i could never go back to a CRT
***** i thought about that to but theres plenty of light gun stuff on the wii to keep me hapy
Except that, by nature, CRT's have a limited lifespan =( Too many mechanical parts. That's why devices like the Framemeister are so important
***** Haha fair enough! I wish I had that ability, but I'm in college and will be moving a ton, so I have had to get rather creative with keeping my game collection mobile
Retrovision is making a component cable for Geneis but it will only work if your tv accepts the correct signal.
Important thing with RGB on the Genesis. Due to the Genesis lack of transparency support if you go the RGB route you will gain picture clarity but lose transparency hacks the developers did using dithering. Things like the waterfalls in Sonic games and the lightbulbs in SoR 2 are big examples.
I'm getting a RGB SCART Csync cable for my CDX. preparing for when I get a Framemeister.
Your Scart cable affiliate makes absolutely the best cables, I think I have 4 cables for my NON-TMSS Genesis, Japan Only MD, Genesis2/SegaCD2/32x (with Mega Amp to make it sound good,) and just a Genesis 2 (with CCAM, prefer Sega CD.) The audio is noticeably better between those with good sound processors and poor ones. I recommend everyone look at Retro RGB.
As for jailbars, I mainly bought a 32x just for a pass through to make the scart output cleaner.
Got some HD Retrovision cables and am using it on my CRT. This was a really good buy. Hoping to get snes HD Retrovision cables once I get the cash.
Good video. I do have to make a minor clarification. Early releases of the Xeye lacked the multi a/v port that was later added.
I cant determine which month of release this took place but I personally have one mfg in March 94 that is missing that port. I know of a few who have ones with mfg dates of June 94 and older that do have the port.
I also shared this in Sega Collectors on FB. Well done.
darthv72 [Coury] Thank you! I was looking for info and heard that some models of the X'Eye were not capable of doing RGB. Now this makes total sense!
I would agree about the composite output of the Sega Genesis, the Super Nintendo on the other hand has excellent composite video.
You guy's are definitely the number one. I'm from Argentina and i just bought the Framemeister and plugged a SNES with RGB output and I can't fucking believe the definition. I'm going to search for a Genesis though. Back in the 90 I was totally a SEGA boy, so I can't wait to have one again. Thanks for all the research that you do for the videos, seriously, you're the best.
+Juan Ruocco [Try4ce] Awesome!! It really is crazy, it's definitely better in person than I expected before I owned one. Glad you're enjoying it!
Unfortunately I cannot go for the other models due to worse sound quality. Great video as always.
The Sega Nomad was also released in Canada
Great vid
I think you should have mentioned the partial motherboard model 2, or board revisions VA3 and VA4. They have good audio just like the early model ones, and especially the VA4, have better video quality, it's so much better that composite looks better with the VA4 than on an earlier Genesis.
Wow, I remember saving my money and buying a mega drive cd for 600 bucks. I also had to cut two jumpers in my genesis in order to get it to work. I was just a kid
Welcome to the 80's. We've had domestic RGB CRT TVs in our homes in the UK for years!
Yep,
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Nah, they only became common in the mid 90s. I remember all my TVs never had RGB so I had to ask my mom to specifically buy an expensive one for xmas just for RGB. That was around '93 or '94.
Lookin forward to the SNES part in this series :D
RDJ 134 [Try4ce] Just 3 weeks away. :)
Sweet, tnx for the reply.
You can also mod genesis model 1 and 2 for much better composite. I do it always when I mod S-video and region switch.
Thank god for the Pal system and scart connection. Sooooo much time and money saved. 8€ cable on ebay and it’s done.
A side note along these same lines is that the Sega 32X actually has a vastly improved composite video encoder over the Genesis consoles. It's still far inferior to RGB of course, but back in the day before RGB was feasible in the US, the 32X was your best shot of getting a quality signal, and in some cases I've heard it fixed jailbar and rainbow artifacts. :)
SuperDerek RPG Reviews [Coury] One other person said the same - I'd heard that it got rid of jailbars, but all of the captures I did (not the still Sonic image) were via a 32X on a Genesis 1. I actually even did straight capture from the Genesis as well and still got the same level of jailbars. I'll definitely have to do some more research - I mean it makes total sense. I didn't try to capture just straight composite with the 32X though since the segment was so short, but thats another great point.
When we eventually get to the point updates to these episodes, I'll definitely be sure to test and address all that.
***** Oh cool! Well I just figured you guys didn't mention it since the video is about getting the BEST picture, not the second best picture from your Genesis. ;) Great video as always though guys. :)
***** Yes, using a 32X and it's composite output gets rid of the rainbow bars that many normal Genesis units have. It also makes dithering much more clear. But to be honest, I can spot dithering a mile away even with an RF connection.
Great video...the Genesis can display far more colors on screen than 61. With clever tricks, the Genesis can reach over 100 colors on screen at once. Games that do this- Virtua Racing, Eternal Campions, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic the Hedgehog 3, and Sonic & Knuckles come to mind. I believe Streets of Rage 2 and 3 also display far more colors although I could be wrong.
Excellent video, I ended up doing a lot of research on the Sega-16 forums as to the best model to go for before importing my Japanese Mega Drive model 1 to the UK (so I didn't run into the stuttering issues modded PAL systems will exhibit on an LCD). I also ended up grabbing one of the packapunch RGB scart cables from www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/packapunch-range
In Britain the computer company Amstrad made a Mega Drive/PC combo called the Mega PC. Not sure about the actual quality but it outputs RGB with a VGA connector. Problem is that's it kinda rare because the PC section was really underpowered so nowadays it's really expensive.
I have noticed that the Genesis has better composite video if playing through a 32x. From what I understand, the 32x has a better RGB to composite chip.
Great vid! Very informative. I've never, though, previously heard of the X'Eye pronounced as "Kzai". lol
[Coury] I've always said it like EX Eye but assumed I was always wrong and thought that the way I said it was correct due to the apostrophe.
Either way, it wouldn't be the first time that same situation has happened in a video I've done. I always say it one way but always assumed it was wrong - so I say it how i think it's supposed to be said for the video, then find out I've been saying it right the whole time.
I use the hd retro vision for my tower of power and it’s glorious
we need a saturn rgb masterclass video!
Great episode !! Quick question , how do you get rid of the little blinking dot thingies ? It looks fantastic on the framemeister other than that !!!
The only thing I would change on the genesis would be double the on screen colors, one more sprite layer and add an extra PCM chip. I would not want to risk the integraty of the Music on the system as it is already excellent.
This belongs on Netflix with game over/high score series !
I didn't notice any comments on this, but forgive me if this has already been brought to your attention: The Wondermega consoles (Sega model 1, Victor model 1, and Victor model 2) were only equipped with a dedicated RF, RCA composite, and S-video outputs, out of the box. They require modification for RGB, but the video encoder chip has the RGB video lines available.
I believe there are also some X'eye revisions that lack the model 2 Genesis' A/V out, therefore requiring modification for RGB output.
AWESOME! Another RGB episode, when I saw those flickering dots on my newly bought MegaDrive/CD I was worried I bought a bung console. Also doesn't the 32X on M1 require some sort of passthrough.
UnboxedTV [Coury] Thanks! Yep, we touch on the patch cable right around 11:47
I just developed new Framemeister profiles that will completely mask the extraneous colored borders on all sides as well as cover up the junk pixels for 4x integer-based scaling. I'll be uploading the new profiles to my web site tomorrow after I do some measurements to make sure the pixel aspect ratio is perfect in them.
Profiles streamlined and ready for download! All colored bordering for both 4x and 5x profiles is 100% completely removed. The package can be downloaded at the bottom of my Framemeister page here: www.firebrandx.com/pixelpurist.html
KarbuncleX [Try4ce] This is exciting! I haven't updated my Framemeister profiles in a little while, but this one is very important.
***** Indeed! I will say that Artemio's 240p Test Suit was a MAJOR help. His grid test patterns for both 320 and 256 and the ability to turn on colored borders in them made alignment a LOT less of a headache. Then his scrolling vertical grid allowed me to dial in the zoom settings until they were perfectly scaled to 4x.
The Victor WonderMega and JVC X'eye have Far superior Audio Chips than the MegaDrive or Mega-CD. Combining one of these two systems with a Sega 32x, an Everdrive, and RGB out you get MegaDrive/Mega-CD/32x/and MasterSystem all in one console with superior Audio and Video to any model of Genesis.
No it the av6 sega genesis mod 1 mk- 1601
Been keeping my eye on those HD Retrovision cables for my Mega Drive 2. I use a Retron 5 for recording stuff on my channel but would be nice to hook up the actual Mega Drive from time to time. I kind of want to see if anyone would notice that I wasn't using the Retron if I could get super clear quality from the actual console.
There's a lot of those MD compilations out there but, really, the pool of games to choose from is pretty much limited to just Sega's own games. Great for all the Sonic games and all that but a bit of a pain if you want to play Chiki Chiki Boys for a while.
Mellow Gaming [Try4ce] I enjoyed playing some Genesis games on the Wii Virtual Console for a while, but for me, it was the Genesis Konami games that were always out of reach. Since getting a Genesis, Contra Hard Corps and Rocket Knight Adventures are my two favorite games on the system (so far), and you can't get them any other way than for the original console!
Yeah, and the way Konami is now the chances of seeing them any time soon is slim. There's a bunch of games by Capcom and Virgin Entertainment I'd like to see get releases.
2:08: The way to solve this is either a 32x, or getting a JVC X eye (if you can get pas the large price), which features a standard RCA connector in addition to the model 2 connector. And I'm pretty sure that means the standard RCA connector looks better than the model 2 connector.
Sega Mega Drive has the best looking RGB picture when compared to the PC Engine and SNES IMO.
My Favorite Genesis tower of power is Model 1 Genesis with Model 2 cd because it makes it a double wide suprise