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yea! well there is solution for low latency gameplay on the cheap get a cheap hdmi pc monitor (they have generally way lower latency than a tv) and take a cheap scart to hdmi converter or a composite to hdmi converter. enjoy! (i know it is not as good as a crt but it does the job better than modern tv at low prices)
well there is solution for low latency gameplay on the cheap get a cheap hdmi pc monitor (they have generally way lower latency than a tv) and take a cheap scart to hdmi converter or a composite to hdmi converter. enjoy! (i know it is not as good as a crt but it does the job better than modern tv at low prices)
Wow, you guys have answered a question that I have been asking for years.... It feels so good to finally have a solution! Most of my friends are not as into retro games as I am, and most of them don't even realize that the video quality is so sub-par to what it could be. Good to see I'm not alone in my journey for better retro video quality. Keep up the good work guys!
Lazy Game Reviews [Try4ce] Thanks! Check out the rest of the series if you wanna know more. RGB102 shows how we hook it all up, RGB103 will help you understand what kinds of cables you need, and we just released RGB301 today, which will show you how to get the settings right!
One of these days I'll upgrade my XRGB-2plus to the latest model. Right now I still have plenty of 15.75khz RGB monitors (both CRT and LCD, yes they were sold here) to enjoy it with. Also, the FrameMeister works with vintage computers as well, the Apple IIgs, Amiga, Atari ST, and Tandy CoCo 3 all natively output 15.75khz RGB.
Been watching you guys for a few years but wanted to comment on every video if I can. I wanted a frammestier but got hardcore into gaming in 2018 when retro 2x first came out. I have the 2x pro, scart and the 5x now which is amazing. Great video you guys are amazing and I have learned alot. Never would of thought of using a component to scart adapter on my crt. I have two and use them to play light gun games or games need perfect timing like Mike tyson punch out. I have a retro avs which I love. So think I will get that component to scart adapter to play light games on the crt. Sorry to ramble but love this stuff.
I have to say that you guys opened my eyes to this whole framemeister so much that I went out and got one for myself. I don't like how my videos look smeary and stretch and would like to give my channel a more professional look, but even so I'd enjoy playing older games better than I ever could, until I get a CRT TV or something. Either way I owe you guys immense gratitude.
TehMonitor Thanks! There's a lot of info out there on this stuff, but its surprisingly tough to find a video that shows some direct comparisons. We're so happy that you enjoyed it
I agree, there needs to be more people like yourselves who have very clear as well as enjoyable videos to learn from. I did have a question though, what happens when you use this with a wii and virtual console?
That is the 5 - 8 dollar question that has been on both of our minds. The Wii actually displays VC games at 240p, but both of us did the Wii > Wii U transfer already. One of us just needs to take the plunge and buy a new Wii VC game on that system to find out the truth. We'll let ya know as soon as we do!
***** I did have another question. So would this device work if I plugged my console into it and then ran it into a powered HDMI splitter that I run my current gen consoles on, or does it need a direct connection with the television. Thank you! ^_^
Just bought a Retrotink 4K. Seems like just yesterday (*cough* 2014) I was watching this video and learning about the Framemeister (still the best scaler name). It's crazy how far this community has taken scalers since then.
The PVM in the video is actually junk from my workplace, that they let me have for free years ago, since it was broken (I have a lot of interesting video crap thanks to that). It won't power on at all, but I only just recently discovered that it even has the RGB inputs... I'd love to see it in action, even if I have no intention of actually using a PVM in my normal setup.
I've been reading through your comments a lot. Wow, you really respond to almost every question that is asked. It's great to see such dedication. Seriously, thank you for helping out the retro-gaming community as immensely as you have.
Thanks to your video, I purchased my Framemeister in 2019. The unit itself was around $350 at the time, but buying cables pushed that up to around $400. I loved it and used it a lot the RetroTink 5X. Even though I don’t really using it anymore, I still appreciate this video for me getting on the right track for HD scalers.
I'm somewhat infuriated that you barely have more subscribers than me. My videos can't touch this quality. Thanks profoundly for the incredibly in-depth tips on how to maximize your video quality on older consoles. Until I can save up almost 400 bucks for the Framemeister, I'll be using the relatively effective ElGato capture card's upscale function, but MAN you guys converted me. I, too, am an S-Video junkie, but this is really something to consider. Even though I'm probably a good decade behind you guys in gaming experience, I'd love to sit down and have a beer with you guys and talk retro. Subscribed! Can't wait to see what else you'll come up with in the future. :)
Also, if you're interested, I'd be happy to provide any narration for your video/channel free of charge. I've been voice-acting for almost a decade and I'd love to be at your disposal to enhance your presentation. :) Keep up the solid work, dudes!
***** [Coury] Thank you! I'd heard your stuff originally via strafefox who I've been subscribed to for a couple of years now. I discovered that you had your own channel recently and promptly subscribed as well. Great stuff, I'm a big fan! You've got an awesome voice, and your offer is a valuable resource that we might take advantage of in the future. We're still learning about being more comfortable on camera and doing VO, but if you look at our early videos, I think we've been steadily improving over time. Thanks for the kind words on our video - this one has been a real break through for us, and the response has been overwhelming. Saving up for a Framemeister is absolutely worth it. For us it was a gradual realization that we wanted one, slowly ramping up the video quality over time. We wanted to make a video to show people what was possible and save them all the money that we'd spent on the in between.
***** No worries if you don't have any use for my offer- I know you have a very personal, passionate style when you talk about retro games, so I wouldn't blame you if you just wanted to do it yourself to not overcomplicate the process. Thanks for keeping me in mind, though! And it makes sense that you'd follow Jeroen - you guys are both vanguards as far as 3D/AfterEffects expertise is concerned. I hope you guys grow really big, and I'll make sure to tell all of my friends about it! Went on a spree last night and watched a bunch of your videos and I can safely say you'll be one of 2 or 3 TH-camrs I follow where my ears perk up with joy when I see you upload a new video. Much respect, Coury and Try!
***** This really means a lot. The response to this video has completely blown us away. We're excited that the most personal side of our channel has shown through and been driven to the forefront. Not that we don't love the How to Beat series, we absolutely do. The stuff we do with 3D doesn't hold a candle to what strafefox does, but he is absolutely one of the biggest inspirations to me when I started doing them. I just love his constant forward motion though the videos - like you're being pulled a long on a ride. Oh and even if its not for our channel we might have some other opportunities for your talents from another angle - but nothing set in stone just yet. Stay tuned!
***** Love your channel guys and it's so great to hear that you find my work inspiring! :) and you always get my attention with a wonderboy sprite in the tumbnail! keep up the great work!
Its about time! Somebody took the time to explain this in complete depth! I've been teetering between those HDMI/SCART converters and the Framemeister, but the difference is night and day! I will be purchasing a Framemeister! Gentleman, thank you and keep up the outstanding work.
Do you guys know how long I've been searching for this? I cannot tell you how much I appreciate and love you guys right now. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!
+Vincent Pellegrini [Try4ce] Thank you! We've turned this into a whole series, which has very much become a focus for us. We've done videos on other topics in RGB and video quality, and most recently are going through various systems and looking at their capabilities: th-cam.com/play/PLTNBVisVMbSR1ZDDQRgjg6S9D2YQ4rwnZ.html
The video converters, even the 50 dollar ones, make 8-bit and 16 bit look crisp and great. However, when we step up to 3D games, the image quality is nowhere near as pristine as these 8-bit games.
a few days ago i got my framemeister along with all my hq scart cables and switcher and everything and just wanted to say tyvm for this extremely informative series of videos. i love my setup right now a lot and id never be able to comprehend a lot of it without these videos.
I just received an email from Retro Gaming Cables, covering an announcement by Micomsoft that they are discontinuing the Framemeister in February 2017. Do you plan on making a video on this?
Been binge watching you guys videos this week, y'all really are the digital foundry for retro gaming. Great editing, VO everything. Deserves more subs!!!
+Helloz World And Mike Matei. He has a XRGB mini and only runs composite through it. It is amazing how people who have the resources available to them to get the most out of their hardware do not take full advantage of it. It is even worse when they tell other people to settle for their compromise, like Adam Koralik.
+Dr. Steve Brule Adam barely knows anything about the things he consumes and uses which is the case for most people. It was sort of like that guy from ReviewTechUSA who used a straight composite to hdmi converter for his Sega Genesis and said it was emulator quality. It's funny because the quality actually bothered them enough to try and get better quality, but in reality they settled for way less.
***** I remember that and man did it look like crap. The funny thing is, with them being in TH-cam and all, these videos are readily available to them, and I am sure pop up in the recommended videos feed every once in a while. If they do not view it, then it just means their pride cannot take the hit from people who actually do their fucking research. Oh well, at least Adam gives a leg in to RGB and getting clarity out of old consoles, while Rich "$200" Masuuci just babbles about whatever pops up in his buzz feed.
This was an amazingly informing video and i thank you guys for help introduce a solid format for playing vintage games on newer television hardware, it seems like an expensive set up but i can tell you guys are passionate dudes.
Mike C Thank you! We wanted to give easily digestible information without going so deep a person would be overwhelmed. More of a beginners guide of sorts. It took us a long time to arrive at our current set ups, so its nice to share what we learned a long the way.
Worth it! It costs less than a new console, and is just as worth it to a retro enthusiast! Research videogameperfection.com for more information, and reviews of other equipment. We learned a ton from there, as well as hazard-city.de. While the Framemeister is the only high-end video scaler that we have experience with, there are other options out there... supposedly even better than the Framemeister. However, they can be even more expensive, and the Framemeister seems to have the best performance to cost ratio.
Hey guys, FreakingWesley here! I bought a Framemeister on Try4ce's recommendation but couldn't figure out how to get my screen to look as good as promised. Information online is scarce for some reason. Then I recalled seeing this video pop up. It's incredibly helpful! Guess I'll be modding my NES for RGB output soon.
I would like to thank you both for showing me RGB.I have setup my:Xbox,Xbox 360,Snes,Gamecube,N64 an PS1-4.I use a RGB modded Snes mini.The Xrgb-mini is well worth it,despite the price.Out of all the sites i been to on this product your videos have been most helpful.Thank you an keep up the good work.
Great work guys! Such a professional looking video, do you have your own TV studio or something? Btw, you can get 480p from SCART on the PS2, you need an Extron Interface or a Keene Syncblaster to do it. Works well with the Framemeister too!
Originally, we actually had a line in the video touching on 480i vs. 480p a bit more, but I cut it out. I actually don't have very many 480p-capable PS2 games to test with anyway. This might reveal me to be pretty casual as far as videophiles go, but with the way the Framemeister handles interlaced sources, I personally can't see a compelling reason to use 480p over 480i. I've taken screenshots comparing the two, and while they look a tiny bit different from each other, I can't say if one is better, or worse. In motion, they look the same to me. For simplicity's sake, I'm just going to continue playing PS2 with SCART in 480i.
***** The Framemeister is particularly good at deinterlacing 480i from the PS2, if you configure it correctly anyway. In fact, I keep mine around mainly just for that. I take it you're using 480p via component which actually on the PS2 is kinda noisy. Normally you'd avoid 480i for input lag alone, but curiously the FM input lags the same with interlace as progressive. Don't you have the Free MC Boot setup on your PS2? With that, you can get 480p out of lots of PS2 games. I've been playing Grim Grimore in 480p RGB and it definitely looks nicer. Thunderforce 6 works great too.
I've converted all my consoles to rgb and its amazing, but I need a way to switch between rgb devices. Do you have any recommendations for a scart switch?
+treepizzle i connected my 5 retros through my framemeister too, its the best. but i have heard the scart switches give more input lag. so i just have all of them in one spot ready to swap the scart plug at any time.
gscartsw is the one everyone seems to love. His switch doesn't come cheap-- it costs about $200, although if you're willing to take the $300 plunge on a framemeister it's in the same neighborhood. I'm planning to get both eventually, but first I need to finish modding my NES and N64 for RGB.
I use an RGB to HDMI converter box personally. Higher definition quality and I can play the consoles on my newer 46" TV. The converter box is pretty accurate and hardcore, kind of like the Framemeister, but not as expensive thankfully. Although I don't doubt the Framemeister would have better quality output. I only had $70 to spend so I will be keeping my converter box. Awesome video, guys. Very informative and extremely helpful. I may need to track down a Framemeister myself, but only after I save up some dough for it.
The one I own is no longer available to purchase, it is essentially the same thing you linked except mine is only RCA to HDMI. Aspect ratio is roughly 1:2121 on footage I just took from Sega Genesis game.
scart is disapearing ;( too bulky for new tv... well there is solution for low latency gameplay on the cheap get a cheap hdmi pc monitor (they have generally way lower latency than a tv) and take a cheap scart to hdmi converter or a composite to hdmi converter. enjoy! (i know it is not as good as a crt but it does the job better than modern tv at low prices)
Tailslol I’ve only ever seen 1 European TV in my whole life that didn’t have SCART, which was a modern flatscreen. But other modern flatscreens still have it, it’s only just starting to disappear, but if you just want to plug a SCART cable into your TV you should use an old CRT which will probably have SCART inputs, and will look beautiful.
Unrelated to the video's content, but... Congrats on being picked up by Retroware TV. I love pretty much all the shows you have (My fave is the How to Beat Series), so i'm happy to hear you guys are moving on up. Keep upthe good work and never stop gaming! :)
+lillskiten1337 Then go ahead and play with rf on a crt. I mean, as much as I love my rgb to component setup on my 480i component crt. I (shockingly) love to hook up rf to my crt and play that way. The only reason why is because then I feel taken back. Its only every once and a while though. I mostly stick to my component rgb setup if I can.
Some great advice and wonderful info! I've been considering pulling the trigger on a Framemeister and upgrading to RGB for my NES and SNES. Seeing the results of those super sharp pixels is making it mighty hard to resist. :) Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to watching the rest of the series!
Excellent video. I have to agree this is probably the most well presented video on the subjects of RGB format in older consoles and the Framemeister out there, for people who feel the need to absolutely play or record footage of games on physical copies. You know what's easier than all that, though? Playing on an emulator. It's easy, quick to set up, has all the same settings and options, can natively output ridiculously high quality, has all sorts of magnifications and filters, and best of all, it's free. If you have a retro controller that you can plug into your computer, there is literally no difference between playing a physical copy of a game or playing the emulated version. You can easily set up your computer to output directly to either your monitor or any TV, and you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars tracking down and buying original game cartridges and CDs. Plus, you don't have to worry about bit rot, or some games' (*cough* GBC Pokemon Crystal *cough*) internal batteries dying. All this time, money, research and other effort just trying to figure out how to get a physical machine to output a certain quality that can be achieved (and exceeded) in five minutes with certain emulators?
For some people, there's a joy that comes with playing on real hardware, and hunting down copies of games in retro game stores is all part of the fun and satisfaction. Certainly, if all you cared about was image quality, emulators are going to be more flexible than upscaling the original hardware, but I feel like it's a balance of factors... I personally enjoy original hardware, and physical copies of games, so I do what I can to improve my image within those constraints, and the target audience for this video are also people who enjoy original hardware.
Fun fact: I go over this entire series at least 1 a month or so to brush up and freshen my memory. That's how much you've made me respect the art of RGB. Still looking for that BVM bargain though
Been so used to using SCART cables, that I never really noticed any graphics woes. Impressive visual presentation on the differences presented in scale
I've been playing my SNES/PS2/PS1 through composite/component on my flat-screen HDTV and it looked bad but I didn't know it looked THAT bad after watching this video and others. I just ordered the framemeister and the cables needed to get this stuff working.
Remember thinking back in the 90s when composite cables came around that they were the ultimate in video quality on CRTs? I recall saying "Wow, that looks so much better than RF! This is awesome! And no more having to screw in the coaxial cable!"
So in that video you guys made about your set ups in 2016, TRY4 stated that his older videos were plagued with eching in the background of his on screen naration for the show. I never noticed it the first time watching this video back in 2015, but now watching this video for the 9th time....... Yeah, I can't hear it nice and well when looking for the echo, but that's fine, it adds charm to a video as ancient as RGB 101 and the video where you guys explain the settings on the Framemeister and How one properally calabrates an HDTV for gaming on an external upscaler like the CYS2100, Retrotink 2X and Open Source Scan Converter.
Your videos have been most helpful... It still might require a bit of research to get the best picture out of each console but not all consoles are the same so that is to be understood... Thanks again for the friendly and insightful videos
Not sure if you guys still check comments on this video, but I figured I'd ask because I can't find anyone else with this issue on the internet and only positive opinions of the framemeister. I got a framemeister a few months ago because I was very impressed by your review of it. I was initially very happy, using it with composite and s-video for nes, snes, genesis, and n64. Then I ordered the JP-21 cables for my north american genesis2 and snes for use with the JP-21 to RGB adapter that came bundled with the framemeister. Ordered them from the guy you recommended on ebay too. They worked great but I had this nagging problem of the right channel audio cutting out every once in a while. When this happens I have to re-situate the plug in the RGB slot to fix it, until it happens again. I even got a replacement cable from the guy on ebay but still no luck. I was wondering if you ever ran into a similar problem with the console-specific european scart cables and scart to RGB adapter you have. I was thinking of ordering those and seeing if it makes a difference but I fear it's the framemeister that's the problem. I keep updating the firmware and hoping it will fix it, but no luck with that either. For reference, the games I found it happening a lot with were Zelda LTTP on snes and Sonic 3 & Knuckles on the genesis, although I've seen it with the 240p test suite sound test as well. If you have any advice, it would be greatly appreciated. All of your videos are very informative and I want to strive to build the best retro console setup possible.
[Try4ce] Dang, that sounds annoying. Unfortunately, I've never run into those issues, and I've played both of those games on my Framemeister. We have never used JP-21, so I honestly can't say if that has anything to do with it.
I used Composite for Xbox 360 for about 2 years, one reason was because i didnt had an HDTV Q^Q" (that was 2010-2012) today i have RGB and Component for all my consoles :D
Thanks very much Coury! I was also wondering if you guys wouldn't mind sharing who had done some of your mods. I know I'd have to pay someone to have them done, and if there are (generally speaking) modders with excellent reputations that so great work...that would be great to know. Thanks again. Looking forward to your next technical videos!
I am currently using an RGB/Scart cable with the PS2 on my HDTV. The image is definitely better than composite, but still quite distant from the images i found around regarding it's use. It's because they're taken from a non-HD television? Anyway, awesome vid guys! It's one of the best i've ever seen in years!
TheFreeman A Framemeister isn't going to do anything really for your PS2. It's really only applicable if you're gaming in 240p sources. Anything above that and there's almost always a better option.
The PS2 is actually the only console that can natively do 480p via Scart. However the XRGB Mini can't handle the sync the PS2 outputs in a 480p RGB Signal
Excellent video. As a UK resident, I always thought that RGB SCART was just a fact of life. UK HDTVs are therefore great at upscaling SCART content - though often, they try to deinterlace 240p content, which introduces artefacts. Sadly, UK GameCubes don't have the Component Out that NTSC models do, so I'd always use a Wii for GameCube playback, as 480p is possible via the Y/Pb/Pr cables. For pre-Dreamcast systems, though, RGB SCART is the bomb, and VGA, Y/Pb/Pr and native HDMI are best for any consoles Dreamcast and onwards. Regarding the Dreamcast, though; often, the VGA auto-adjust feature on modern HDTVs sucks, so getting a VGA-to-HDMI scaler often yields the best results (Y/Pb/Pr scaling is almost invariably flawless, though, so you won't need one for that).
Great video. So do you think a transcoder is a good way to play light games on my crt. I always thought I was stuff with composite. Thank you guys are awesome and taught me so much. I wanted a frammestier but got back into gaming in 2018 and got the retro tink line. Love the 5x it is amazing.
[Try4ce] Oh yeah, RetroTINK 5X is totally the way to go today. Framemeister is still good, but it has been surpassed (and it's out of print anyway). Light gun games do not require composite. You can play NES light gun games in RGB if you have a mod, and you can play PS2 light gun games with component by passing the luma (green cable) through the Guncon jack. You can even play Guncon with SCART on PS1 or PS2 if you have a specially- made SCART cable with an external sync jack.
the only thing I don't like about scarf is that it leaks voltage. That means you want as direct a signal from console to TV as possible. Console>scart cable>framemeister>HDMI cable>TV. If you try to introduce a scart switchbox so you can connect multiple scart cables into a single input, you'll notice a drop in quality from voltage leaking from the cables.
Fantastic video! I appreciate you folks taking the time to make it. I'm still a little confused as far as the direction I should taking with the best possible picture quality for PS1/PS2 gaming sans hunting an old CRT TV. I have both my original PS1 and (Fat) PS2 consoles. Should I aim for the Framesiter? RGB via SCART? Component? If I do use an RGB connection via SCART, how the heck to do I connect that cable to my television? Thanks in advance for any and all comments you folks may have.
Jorge Ortega Well the Framemeister is going to enhance the image for both consoles. But generally, you'll want SCART for the PSone, and Component or SCART for the PS2 (I [Coury] use Component, and Try uses SCART - they're very close. The benefit from Component comes in when you have a 480p PS2 game to play - SCART only carries up to 480i unless you have some special hardware. To connect a SCART connection to a HDTV you're going to need a SCART to Component adapter like the one seen in the RGB 101 video. Overall though, you're going to see a huge gain using a Framemeister with both of these systems, especially so in the case of the PS1
This was very interesting. Thanks to you guys, I'm thinking about getting the Framemeister, since I think it'll be the best answer to my current setup. Ya'see, I currently own, play, and take care of 8 consoles. Three of them (the XBox 360 slime, Wii-U and PS4) run through an HDMI switcher (which mine currently only supports three inputs), while another three run through a composite switcher (the N64, XBox and Gamecube). The SNES hooks up directly to the TV via coax, while the last console (the Nintendo Switch) connects to the TV directly via HDMI. For awhile, I thought that this was as good as it was gonna get. I know of a retro gaming store not terribly far from where I live that do mods for older consoles, but I didn't feel like modding every single composite and coax console I own to HDMI. I felt like that would have been a hassle, as well as expensive. However, thanks to this Framemeister, I'm thinking about running the composite switcher into it first, then having the Meister run into the tv via HDMI. I think that should work perfectly.
You answered b) but not a). If I can offer advice, I plug all my systems into a Philips DVD-Recorder (not player since players don't have inputs.) For those old systems, first in take an ordinary RCA, hook it up to an RCA splitter, both cables to 2 separate RCA-to-RF adapters. One is for the CRT TV for 2 reasons, one is for 7800 light gun games like Crossbow, and the other goes to a DVD-Recorder. (Truth be told I got 3 RF inputs, a TV antenna, a satellite auxiliary RF, and a classic system. Hopefully we'll extend our satellite so it can output component + Toslink and HDMI and take in the over-the -air antenna and integrate it into the system, so that frees up our DVD antenna input, and the DVD is the only HD Tuner I have.) The picture looks fine except for radio interference on my Venture You Tube video which coincidently shows a unique Venture trick. Type "Colecovision Venture Glitch" to see it. It should be the first entry. To record beyond S-video, I use a Hauppauge Rocket and store as an MP4 on a Flash drive. I noticed if I unplug one end of the splitter, it goes through better. This is the quality through the RCA Y Cable. I have a Composite/S-Video input through a direct input on my newer, lower ping DVD-R. That has Component and HDMI-Out. I don't know if component has less ping, but my Playstation 3D monitor makes the HDMI look 16x9 stretched. Not good for judging jumps. These are the systems I have RF: 2600, 5200, 7800, Bally Astrocade, Intellivision, Colecovision, Arcadia 2001, Odyssey2, TurboGrafx16. Composite: SMS,NES,Genesis S-Video: SNES,N64,Saturn, PS1, Jaguar, 3DO, Dreamcast. Component +Toslink: PS2, Xbox. Component + L/R: GameCube, Wii HDMI + Toslink: 360,PS3,One,Wii U. (Yes, Toslink does turn Sonic Lost World into a surround game on Dolby) I got the best video I could get without modding systems or buying foreign connectors. By the way, I ran the same video through a CRT TV and various ways through a PLaystaiton 3D TV, and filmed them together and the PS3DTV also seems one frame behind, which should be 1/60 of a second filmed on a 3DS non-night mode. Any recommendation of making the CRT Split, so I can run a direct feed into a CRT TV and a second feed into a recorder? I'm more interested in plugging in true arcade sticks into an Intellivision. Those controllers suck. At least the NES pad you can place on the floor and play like a keypad. I put two finger on the d-pad and 2 on the action buttons and can make better cardinals, more intentional diagonals, and can independently jump and fire simultaneously in Mega Man games. Too bad Nintendo forced us to hold the SNES controller, denying precise controls, making the Genesis pad, (at least the 6 button one) a superior pad for Street Fighter
This is one of the best informative videos I've seen. I have an OLD TV that, kinda of like the one the you put on 7:55, but my questions is, is RBG better than using composite in those TV? Because I still don't get how you would connect it to those TV. SNES -> RGB - SCARF -> SCARFT CONVERTER - > COMPOSITE CABLE -> TV? I hope you answer my questions since I'm really interested in getting the best quality for playing, not actually recording the games.
Daniel de la Garza Well if your TV only has composite (the Yellow cable) then you'll be limited - you'll get the same image as if you just went in directly from the SNES with it. If your TV supports Component (Red/Green/Blue input) then you'll see a large jump with the SCART to Component box.
Fantastic info for any true gamer from the old school generation like myself. Consoles from the NES up through PS2 can be properly upscaled to the best HD quality you can hope to get for these consoles if you pay attention to the info shared on this video.
Wow, this RGB series is amazing and I don't even plan on getting the framemeister. I have a compulsion to watch each episode multiple times, even though I don't own all the retro consoles. Maybe I'll invest in the framemeister successor if they resolve the glaring deficiencies...
SCART/RGB wasn't a popular standard here in New Zealand, we had the Australian problem of European standards such as PAL, but composite and s-video available for AV inputs. Occasionally SCART was available to us, particularly towards the end of CRT, around 2002. Thankfully, a few European imports were available, as is the case for my Bang and Olufsen ME6000.
I've had that scart to component converter shown at 7:50 for a few years now and I finished getting my final system (turbografx) set up for it and it's definitely worth the hassle as long as you find a really good crt with component as well
Genesis/sega cd, Saturn, N64, NES, Turbo, SNES, PS2, and Wii are all hooked up to my CRT with rgb or component. It's a bit of a mess of wires but it's a lot of fun to be able to see them all at their best. I'd like to get a 32x someday as well as a standalone master system but the genesis with the converter does the job pretty well so far.
What can be done, if anything, for older systems like Colecovison, Atari 2600 or 5200, etc? Also, what about systems like the 3DO and Jaguar? Lastly, is there a HDTV model or brand that works better than others? Great video, thanks!
Orrimarrko66 [Coury] From the research I've done, the old Atari systems can be modded for S-Video but thats about as good as it gets. The Jaguar supports native RGB but I don't know if anyone sells a cable. The info I've seen suggests building it yourself... I certainly don't have the soldering skills for that! The 3DO doesn't support RGB but can be modded. In terms of HDTV, we both have Samsungs - but the only other type I've experimented with is LG and had no issues. Be sure to turn on game mode!
Great video! I am now considering a framemeister lol. Quick question though: for a PS2, would I get the best picture using RGB with the framemeister, or would Component be better? Thanks!
Ben Slate [Coury] Well, they both have benefits. Try likes to use SCART for is, while I use Component. As it is right now, the SCART approach will not allow you to achieve 480p in the games that allow it, while the Component does. But on the flipside, Component has a tiny, TINY bit more noise in certain colors. I don't notice it at all, but you'll see it in certain instances.
For a long time I thought Billy Corgan was going off the deep end, but now that I see him in this video I’m back to feeling like my teens weren’t so much of a waste after all.
OG Xbox also outputs RGB natively and scart cables are pretty cheap for them, but most games support 720p through component cable if you buy that adapter box.
I bought the different side of the scart cable to fit through the one that came with my framemeister. but it doens't work. it fits but it still won't work. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I just hope they didn't deliver me a shit cable.
[Try4ce] Did you check that your cable is SCART (European) or JP-21 (Japanese)? Be careful, these terms are sometimes used incorrectly. You may have bought the opposite one. They are equal quality and can be used with any system, but they need to match.
This is still a great, informative video all these years later, but I have to ask: have you guys ever considered remaking this video to encompass the advancements the retro gaming scene has seen since 2014 (such as the OSSC)?
I ordered the XRGB Mini, I want to assume I need a step down converter yes? No worries, I understand what cables I need, just the power supply im worried about.
Yep, SCART is super common in Europe. I'm from Sweden and all our TV:s have SCART inputs. I was surprised to find that even my brand new Sony 3D TV that I'm using today has one.
Hey guys! Quick question. I didn‘t quite understand what cable to use for the PS2 in combination with the Framemeister. Do you recommend RGB SCART or component? I live in Europe and own a PS2 slim PAL system and a Framemeister. Also, I love your videos. I‘ve learned so much from your channel and I‘m starting to lecture people about video signals and cables - Mostly nobody cares about it as much as I do! All the best from Austria!
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OH MAN I GOTTA GET THIS.
then I saw the price...
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+My Life in Gaming fuck yes, thanks.
yea!
well there is solution for low latency gameplay on the cheap
get a cheap hdmi pc monitor (they have generally way lower latency than a tv)
and take a cheap scart to hdmi converter or a composite to hdmi converter.
enjoy!
(i know it is not as good as a crt but it does the job better than modern tv at low prices)
This was my introduction to your channel and as a retro collector with modern hardware - I'm happy to have found this video.
This is like the 10th time I've watched this video, it's just that good.
Lol. Me too
+Craig Horner yea I came to like it but I already did!
Same here, A skele-ton of times ;)
well there is solution for low latency gameplay on the cheap
get a cheap hdmi pc monitor (they have generally way lower latency than a tv)
and take a cheap scart to hdmi converter or a composite to hdmi converter.
enjoy!
(i know it is not as good as a crt but it does the job better than modern tv at low prices)
same
Wow, you guys have answered a question that I have been asking for years.... It feels so good to finally have a solution! Most of my friends are not as into retro games as I am, and most of them don't even realize that the video quality is so sub-par to what it could be. Good to see I'm not alone in my journey for better retro video quality. Keep up the good work guys!
So yeah, this finally convinced me to grab a Framemeister. Thanks a lot for the in-depth look at it!
Lazy Game Reviews [Try4ce] Thanks! Check out the rest of the series if you wanna know more. RGB102 shows how we hook it all up, RGB103 will help you understand what kinds of cables you need, and we just released RGB301 today, which will show you how to get the settings right!
One of these days I'll upgrade my XRGB-2plus to the latest model. Right now I still have plenty of 15.75khz RGB monitors (both CRT and LCD, yes they were sold here) to enjoy it with. Also, the FrameMeister works with vintage computers as well, the Apple IIgs, Amiga, Atari ST, and Tandy CoCo 3 all natively output 15.75khz RGB.
Been watching you guys for a few years but wanted to comment on every video if I can. I wanted a frammestier but got hardcore into gaming in 2018 when retro 2x first came out. I have the 2x pro, scart and the 5x now which is amazing. Great video you guys are amazing and I have learned alot. Never would of thought of using a component to scart adapter on my crt. I have two and use them to play light gun games or games need perfect timing like Mike tyson punch out. I have a retro avs which I love. So think I will get that component to scart adapter to play light games on the crt. Sorry to ramble but love this stuff.
I have to say that you guys opened my eyes to this whole framemeister so much that I went out and got one for myself. I don't like how my videos look smeary and stretch and would like to give my channel a more professional look, but even so I'd enjoy playing older games better than I ever could, until I get a CRT TV or something. Either way I owe you guys immense gratitude.
Ahhh, my favorite series... RGB101.
I have to say, this was one of the most well presented and edited videos I have seen on the internet in a long time.
TehMonitor Thanks! There's a lot of info out there on this stuff, but its surprisingly tough to find a video that shows some direct comparisons. We're so happy that you enjoyed it
I agree, there needs to be more people like yourselves who have very clear as well as enjoyable videos to learn from.
I did have a question though, what happens when you use this with a wii and virtual console?
That is the 5 - 8 dollar question that has been on both of our minds. The Wii actually displays VC games at 240p, but both of us did the Wii > Wii U transfer already. One of us just needs to take the plunge and buy a new Wii VC game on that system to find out the truth. We'll let ya know as soon as we do!
Awesome! I have a regular wii and am dying to know! If it works then you've made another sale. They should give you a commission for this XD
***** I did have another question. So would this device work if I plugged my console into it and then ran it into a powered HDMI splitter that I run my current gen consoles on, or does it need a direct connection with the television. Thank you! ^_^
Crazy how far we've come, now we have the RetroTink 4K.
Incredibly well done! This simply is the best video I have ever seen on getting classic consoles to look as good as they can. :)
Thank you! We really wanted to get a great video on the topic out there!
Just bought a Retrotink 4K. Seems like just yesterday (*cough* 2014) I was watching this video and learning about the Framemeister (still the best scaler name). It's crazy how far this community has taken scalers since then.
Great video. You can also get a SCART to BNC breakout cable for use with the PVMs and other professional monitors. They're fairly cheap.
The PVM in the video is actually junk from my workplace, that they let me have for free years ago, since it was broken (I have a lot of interesting video crap thanks to that). It won't power on at all, but I only just recently discovered that it even has the RGB inputs... I'd love to see it in action, even if I have no intention of actually using a PVM in my normal setup.
Watched this video because Game Sack linked to it. Game Sack rules, and this video did too.
stop using the fucking word fairly jesus christ the cringe
I've been reading through your comments a lot. Wow, you really respond to almost every question that is asked. It's great to see such dedication. Seriously, thank you for helping out the retro-gaming community as immensely as you have.
Ya Dad [Try4ce] Thanks a lot! We made the videos because we want to help!
Right when I consider a getting framemeister, it triples in price. -_-
Solaris Japan is selling them for a more reasonable price than ebay.
Because it cures COVID-19. It's that good! Lol
Now they're dirt cheap thanks to the Retrotink 5x and 4K lol
Thanks to your video, I purchased my Framemeister in 2019. The unit itself was around $350 at the time, but buying cables pushed that up to around $400. I loved it and used it a lot the RetroTink 5X. Even though I don’t really using it anymore, I still appreciate this video for me getting on the right track for HD scalers.
I'm somewhat infuriated that you barely have more subscribers than me. My videos can't touch this quality.
Thanks profoundly for the incredibly in-depth tips on how to maximize your video quality on older consoles. Until I can save up almost 400 bucks for the Framemeister, I'll be using the relatively effective ElGato capture card's upscale function, but MAN you guys converted me. I, too, am an S-Video junkie, but this is really something to consider.
Even though I'm probably a good decade behind you guys in gaming experience, I'd love to sit down and have a beer with you guys and talk retro. Subscribed! Can't wait to see what else you'll come up with in the future. :)
Also, if you're interested, I'd be happy to provide any narration for your video/channel free of charge. I've been voice-acting for almost a decade and I'd love to be at your disposal to enhance your presentation. :)
Keep up the solid work, dudes!
***** [Coury] Thank you! I'd heard your stuff originally via strafefox who I've been subscribed to for a couple of years now. I discovered that you had your own channel recently and promptly subscribed as well. Great stuff, I'm a big fan!
You've got an awesome voice, and your offer is a valuable resource that we might take advantage of in the future. We're still learning about being more comfortable on camera and doing VO, but if you look at our early videos, I think we've been steadily improving over time.
Thanks for the kind words on our video - this one has been a real break through for us, and the response has been overwhelming. Saving up for a Framemeister is absolutely worth it. For us it was a gradual realization that we wanted one, slowly ramping up the video quality over time. We wanted to make a video to show people what was possible and save them all the money that we'd spent on the in between.
***** No worries if you don't have any use for my offer- I know you have a very personal, passionate style when you talk about retro games, so I wouldn't blame you if you just wanted to do it yourself to not overcomplicate the process. Thanks for keeping me in mind, though!
And it makes sense that you'd follow Jeroen - you guys are both vanguards as far as 3D/AfterEffects expertise is concerned. I hope you guys grow really big, and I'll make sure to tell all of my friends about it! Went on a spree last night and watched a bunch of your videos and I can safely say you'll be one of 2 or 3 TH-camrs I follow where my ears perk up with joy when I see you upload a new video. Much respect, Coury and Try!
***** This really means a lot. The response to this video has completely blown us away. We're excited that the most personal side of our channel has shown through and been driven to the forefront. Not that we don't love the How to Beat series, we absolutely do.
The stuff we do with 3D doesn't hold a candle to what strafefox does, but he is absolutely one of the biggest inspirations to me when I started doing them. I just love his constant forward motion though the videos - like you're being pulled a long on a ride.
Oh and even if its not for our channel we might have some other opportunities for your talents from another angle - but nothing set in stone just yet. Stay tuned!
***** Love your channel guys and it's so great to hear that you find my work inspiring! :)
and you always get my attention with a wonderboy sprite in the tumbnail! keep up the great work!
Its about time! Somebody took the time to explain this in complete depth! I've been teetering between those HDMI/SCART converters and the Framemeister, but the difference is night and day! I will be purchasing a Framemeister! Gentleman, thank you and keep up the outstanding work.
This video is so easy to understand...thank you!
Thanks for saying so, that means a lot!
Video is already 10 years old…wow.
Do you guys know how long I've been searching for this? I cannot tell you how much I appreciate and love you guys right now. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!
+Vincent Pellegrini [Try4ce] Thank you! We've turned this into a whole series, which has very much become a focus for us. We've done videos on other topics in RGB and video quality, and most recently are going through various systems and looking at their capabilities: th-cam.com/play/PLTNBVisVMbSR1ZDDQRgjg6S9D2YQ4rwnZ.html
+My Life in Gaming Try, you are the man. I hope you don't mind if I shamelessly copy your setup.
This should be called "Pixel Perfect Retro Gaming."
The differences are simply stunning, my jaw almost dropped when showing some of the comparisons... I should start looking more into this....
Zaps It can be quite a journey. I'm very glad that we piqued your interest!
The video converters, even the 50 dollar ones, make 8-bit and 16 bit look crisp and great.
However, when we step up to 3D games, the image quality is nowhere near as pristine as these 8-bit games.
I think its because 3d games arent supposed to look pixel perfect
a few days ago i got my framemeister along with all my hq scart cables and switcher and everything and just wanted to say tyvm for this extremely informative series of videos. i love my setup right now a lot and id never be able to comprehend a lot of it without these videos.
I just received an email from Retro Gaming Cables, covering an announcement by Micomsoft that they are discontinuing the Framemeister in February 2017. Do you plan on making a video on this?
They're still accepting orders for May 2017 and have filled all their preorders for March and April, soooooo.......
A M PES They still have them available I just look them up yesterday
I have had my frammeister for a while now. Best purchase I have made in recent memory.
I couldn't agree more!
Great video
Been binge watching you guys videos this week, y'all really are the digital foundry for retro gaming. Great editing, VO everything. Deserves more subs!!!
Adam Koralik needs to see these videos....
Thx
+Helloz World And Mike Matei. He has a XRGB mini and only runs composite through it.
It is amazing how people who have the resources available to them to get the most out of their hardware do not take full advantage of it. It is even worse when they tell other people to settle for their compromise, like Adam Koralik.
+Dr. Steve Brule Adam barely knows anything about the things he consumes and uses which is the case for most people. It was sort of like that guy from ReviewTechUSA who used a straight composite to hdmi converter for his Sega Genesis and said it was emulator quality.
It's funny because the quality actually bothered them enough to try and get better quality, but in reality they settled for way less.
***** I remember that and man did it look like crap. The funny thing is, with them being in TH-cam and all, these videos are readily available to them, and I am sure pop up in the recommended videos feed every once in a while. If they do not view it, then it just means their pride cannot take the hit from people who actually do their fucking research.
Oh well, at least Adam gives a leg in to RGB and getting clarity out of old consoles, while Rich "$200" Masuuci just babbles about whatever pops up in his buzz feed.
Dr. Steve Brule I spamed his latest video with links to this video literally lol
This was an amazingly informing video and i thank you guys for help introduce a solid format for playing vintage games on newer television hardware, it seems like an expensive set up but i can tell you guys are passionate dudes.
We used to say "Composite looks like Compost-shit"
I personally never knew anything about this. This was probably the most informative video about video quality I have ever seen.
Mike C Thank you! We wanted to give easily digestible information without going so deep a person would be overwhelmed. More of a beginners guide of sorts. It took us a long time to arrive at our current set ups, so its nice to share what we learned a long the way.
Right, gonna have to start selling organs for a framemeister.
Worth it! It costs less than a new console, and is just as worth it to a retro enthusiast! Research videogameperfection.com for more information, and reviews of other equipment. We learned a ton from there, as well as hazard-city.de. While the Framemeister is the only high-end video scaler that we have experience with, there are other options out there... supposedly even better than the Framemeister. However, they can be even more expensive, and the Framemeister seems to have the best performance to cost ratio.
Hey guys, FreakingWesley here! I bought a Framemeister on Try4ce's recommendation but couldn't figure out how to get my screen to look as good as promised. Information online is scarce for some reason. Then I recalled seeing this video pop up. It's incredibly helpful! Guess I'll be modding my NES for RGB output soon.
*****
Noted! Just have to figure out what to order and who'll solder it for me, haha.
looks stunning. but at £200 its out of my grasp for now.
I would like to thank you both for showing me RGB.I have setup my:Xbox,Xbox 360,Snes,Gamecube,N64 an PS1-4.I use a RGB modded Snes mini.The Xrgb-mini is well worth it,despite the price.Out of all the sites i been to on this product your videos have been most helpful.Thank you an keep up the good work.
Great work guys! Such a professional looking video, do you have your own TV studio or something? Btw, you can get 480p from SCART on the PS2, you need an Extron Interface or a Keene Syncblaster to do it. Works well with the Framemeister too!
Originally, we actually had a line in the video touching on 480i vs. 480p a bit more, but I cut it out. I actually don't have very many 480p-capable PS2 games to test with anyway. This might reveal me to be pretty casual as far as videophiles go, but with the way the Framemeister handles interlaced sources, I personally can't see a compelling reason to use 480p over 480i. I've taken screenshots comparing the two, and while they look a tiny bit different from each other, I can't say if one is better, or worse. In motion, they look the same to me. For simplicity's sake, I'm just going to continue playing PS2 with SCART in 480i.
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The Framemeister is particularly good at deinterlacing 480i from the PS2, if you configure it correctly anyway. In fact, I keep mine around mainly just for that. I take it you're using 480p via component which actually on the PS2 is kinda noisy. Normally you'd avoid 480i for input lag alone, but curiously the FM input lags the same with interlace as progressive. Don't you have the Free MC Boot setup on your PS2? With that, you can get 480p out of lots of PS2 games. I've been playing Grim Grimore in 480p RGB and it definitely looks nicer. Thunderforce 6 works great too.
BuckoA51
Yes the above was me, forgot to switch accounts.
Mine arrives today. HYPED
I've converted all my consoles to rgb and its amazing, but I need a way to switch between rgb devices. Do you have any recommendations for a scart switch?
+treepizzle We're hoping to do a SCART switcher episode in the coming months. The one to keep an eye on is the "gscartsw."
+treepizzle i connected my 5 retros through my framemeister too, its the best. but i have heard the scart switches give more input lag. so i just have all of them in one spot ready to swap the scart plug at any time.
+RideRedRacer I think the simple scart switches are only mechanical, so they cannot introduce input lag by design..
oh nice
gscartsw is the one everyone seems to love. His switch doesn't come cheap-- it costs about $200, although if you're willing to take the $300 plunge on a framemeister it's in the same neighborhood. I'm planning to get both eventually, but first I need to finish modding my NES and N64 for RGB.
I use an RGB to HDMI converter box personally. Higher definition quality and I can play the consoles on my newer 46" TV. The converter box is pretty accurate and hardcore, kind of like the Framemeister, but not as expensive thankfully. Although I don't doubt the Framemeister would have better quality output. I only had $70 to spend so I will be keeping my converter box.
Awesome video, guys. Very informative and extremely helpful. I may need to track down a Framemeister myself, but only after I save up some dough for it.
The one I own is no longer available to purchase, it is essentially the same thing you linked except mine is only RCA to HDMI. Aspect ratio is roughly 1:2121 on footage I just took from Sega Genesis game.
What is the component adapter you use? Thanks again!
TehMonitor this is the one you're looking for: solarisjapan.com/collections/micomsoft/products/d-terminal-to-component-adapter-cable-female
Perfect, just ordered it. Thank you again!
What able the audio how does that connect
Spencer Mansion in the background. Love it!
Meanwhile in yurop:
lemme just plug my scart-21 cable to my tv.....
Zay Jay what does it sound like
scart is disapearing ;( too bulky for new tv...
well there is solution for low latency gameplay on the cheap
get a cheap hdmi pc monitor (they have generally way lower latency than a tv)
and take a cheap scart to hdmi converter or a composite to hdmi converter.
enjoy!
(i know it is not as good as a crt but it does the job better than modern tv at low prices)
Bizarely, even my 4k tv has it. It looks good, but it is stretched to 16:9 and 480i.
Tailslol I’ve only ever seen 1 European TV in my whole life that didn’t have SCART, which was a modern flatscreen. But other modern flatscreens still have it, it’s only just starting to disappear, but if you just want to plug a SCART cable into your TV you should use an old CRT which will probably have SCART inputs, and will look beautiful.
Unrelated to the video's content, but...
Congrats on being picked up by Retroware TV. I love pretty much all the shows you have (My fave is the How to Beat Series), so i'm happy to hear you guys are moving on up.
Keep upthe good work and never stop gaming! :)
Thanks! It's a lot of hard work, but we're gonna keep it up!
But what if i want to play with rf :/ XD
+lillskiten1337 Then go ahead and play with rf on a crt. I mean, as much as I love my rgb to component setup on my 480i component crt. I (shockingly) love to hook up rf to my crt and play that way. The only reason why is because then I feel taken back. Its only every once and a while though. I mostly stick to my component rgb setup if I can.
I like the format of your videos such much I rewatch old videos just to enjoy them.
That is a lot of money though for a box..
a magic box
Meanwhile, Emulators are free and the quality is just as good and it's all free.
Don't lie. If you had the option to play Retro Consoles in pristine quality on your TV, you'd take that over emulation any day.
Some great advice and wonderful info! I've been considering pulling the trigger on a Framemeister and upgrading to RGB for my NES and SNES. Seeing the results of those super sharp pixels is making it mighty hard to resist. :)
Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to watching the rest of the series!
ONLY RGB IS REAL
Sonic looks amazing on the frame Xererrr!
I love the theme music at the beginning. Great show too.
Incredibly interesting to see all these comparisons between the various cables. Nice production, guys!
Excellent video. I have to agree this is probably the most well presented video on the subjects of RGB format in older consoles and the Framemeister out there, for people who feel the need to absolutely play or record footage of games on physical copies.
You know what's easier than all that, though? Playing on an emulator. It's easy, quick to set up, has all the same settings and options, can natively output ridiculously high quality, has all sorts of magnifications and filters, and best of all, it's free. If you have a retro controller that you can plug into your computer, there is literally no difference between playing a physical copy of a game or playing the emulated version. You can easily set up your computer to output directly to either your monitor or any TV, and you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars tracking down and buying original game cartridges and CDs. Plus, you don't have to worry about bit rot, or some games' (*cough* GBC Pokemon Crystal *cough*) internal batteries dying.
All this time, money, research and other effort just trying to figure out how to get a physical machine to output a certain quality that can be achieved (and exceeded) in five minutes with certain emulators?
For some people, there's a joy that comes with playing on real hardware, and hunting down copies of games in retro game stores is all part of the fun and satisfaction. Certainly, if all you cared about was image quality, emulators are going to be more flexible than upscaling the original hardware, but I feel like it's a balance of factors... I personally enjoy original hardware, and physical copies of games, so I do what I can to improve my image within those constraints, and the target audience for this video are also people who enjoy original hardware.
love the intro of the consoles turning on and ejecting 8) mixed with the partial shots of it - very cool!
Well I'm sold, that frame meister looks incredible. Yous guys have done a wonderful thing here :)
I absolutely love the intro! It is just sooo good in every way!
Fun fact: I go over this entire series at least 1 a month or so to brush up and freshen my memory.
That's how much you've made me respect the art of RGB.
Still looking for that BVM bargain though
Make sure you study up for the finals
@@Wflash00 auuww shit there's gonna be a test!?
Been so used to using SCART cables, that I never really noticed any graphics woes. Impressive visual presentation on the differences presented in scale
I've been playing my SNES/PS2/PS1 through composite/component on my flat-screen HDTV and it looked bad but I didn't know it looked THAT bad after watching this video and others. I just ordered the framemeister and the cables needed to get this stuff working.
+Brandon Gonzalez awesome, its worth it. i did it too
Remember thinking back in the 90s when composite cables came around that they were the ultimate in video quality on CRTs? I recall saying "Wow, that looks so much better than RF! This is awesome! And no more having to screw in the coaxial cable!"
+RECOIL816 [Try4ce] Heh, I wish I remembered that. I went straight from TVs with nothing but RF all my life, to S-video in 2002.
So in that video you guys made about your set ups in 2016, TRY4 stated that his older videos were plagued with eching in the background of his on screen naration for the show. I never noticed it the first time watching this video back in 2015, but now watching this video for the 9th time....... Yeah, I can't hear it nice and well when looking for the echo, but that's fine, it adds charm to a video as ancient as RGB 101 and the video where you guys explain the settings on the Framemeister and How one properally calabrates an HDTV for gaming on an external upscaler like the CYS2100, Retrotink 2X and Open Source Scan Converter.
I love my Frameister! My PS1 and SNES games look crisp and vibrant now.
Definitely worth the $300, I never thought SCART could look this good!
Probably the 10th time I've watched this whole series. Every time I see something I missed.
Your videos have been most helpful... It still might require a bit of research to get the best picture out of each console but not all consoles are the same so that is to be understood... Thanks again for the friendly and insightful videos
Not sure if you guys still check comments on this video, but I figured I'd ask because I can't find anyone else with this issue on the internet and only positive opinions of the framemeister. I got a framemeister a few months ago because I was very impressed by your review of it. I was initially very happy, using it with composite and s-video for nes, snes, genesis, and n64. Then I ordered the JP-21 cables for my north american genesis2 and snes for use with the JP-21 to RGB adapter that came bundled with the framemeister. Ordered them from the guy you recommended on ebay too. They worked great but I had this nagging problem of the right channel audio cutting out every once in a while. When this happens I have to re-situate the plug in the RGB slot to fix it, until it happens again. I even got a replacement cable from the guy on ebay but still no luck. I was wondering if you ever ran into a similar problem with the console-specific european scart cables and scart to RGB adapter you have. I was thinking of ordering those and seeing if it makes a difference but I fear it's the framemeister that's the problem. I keep updating the firmware and hoping it will fix it, but no luck with that either. For reference, the games I found it happening a lot with were Zelda LTTP on snes and Sonic 3 & Knuckles on the genesis, although I've seen it with the 240p test suite sound test as well. If you have any advice, it would be greatly appreciated. All of your videos are very informative and I want to strive to build the best retro console setup possible.
[Try4ce] Dang, that sounds annoying. Unfortunately, I've never run into those issues, and I've played both of those games on my Framemeister. We have never used JP-21, so I honestly can't say if that has anything to do with it.
What an incredible well made video guys!
Brad Nimbus Thanks! The response to this video has been overwhelming. We're glad you and everyone else has liked it so much!
***** :D
Just if you want the original hardware then this is not for you because you have to change the what the console is supposed to do so....
Thank you for this! I've been on the fence about one of these for a long time. It now makes a lot more sense to me.
Спасибо mrDMG за русские субтитры, а авторам оригинала - за шикарную передачу.
I used Composite for Xbox 360 for about 2 years, one reason was because i didnt had an HDTV Q^Q" (that was 2010-2012) today i have RGB and Component for all my consoles :D
I aspire to do as many as I can rgb.
Thanks very much Coury!
I was also wondering if you guys wouldn't mind sharing who had done some of your mods. I know I'd have to pay someone to have them done, and if there are (generally speaking) modders with excellent reputations that so great work...that would be great to know.
Thanks again. Looking forward to your next technical videos!
I am currently using an RGB/Scart cable with the PS2 on my HDTV. The image is definitely better than composite, but still quite distant from the images i found around regarding it's use. It's because they're taken from a non-HD television? Anyway, awesome vid guys! It's one of the best i've ever seen in years!
I think that after i buy a PS4, i will definitely start collecting money for a Framemeister.
TheFreeman A Framemeister isn't going to do anything really for your PS2. It's really only applicable if you're gaming in 240p sources. Anything above that and there's almost always a better option.
Ps2 games really don't clean up well anyway, some games do support 480p and up but you need a component cable
The PS2 is actually the only console that can natively do 480p via Scart. However the XRGB Mini can't handle the sync the PS2 outputs in a 480p RGB Signal
Excellent video. As a UK resident, I always thought that RGB SCART was just a fact of life. UK HDTVs are therefore great at upscaling SCART content - though often, they try to deinterlace 240p content, which introduces artefacts. Sadly, UK GameCubes don't have the Component Out that NTSC models do, so I'd always use a Wii for GameCube playback, as 480p is possible via the Y/Pb/Pr cables. For pre-Dreamcast systems, though, RGB SCART is the bomb, and VGA, Y/Pb/Pr and native HDMI are best for any consoles Dreamcast and onwards. Regarding the Dreamcast, though; often, the VGA auto-adjust feature on modern HDTVs sucks, so getting a VGA-to-HDMI scaler often yields the best results (Y/Pb/Pr scaling is almost invariably flawless, though, so you won't need one for that).
Great video. So do you think a transcoder is a good way to play light games on my crt. I always thought I was stuff with composite. Thank you guys are awesome and taught me so much. I wanted a frammestier but got back into gaming in 2018 and got the retro tink line. Love the 5x it is amazing.
[Try4ce] Oh yeah, RetroTINK 5X is totally the way to go today. Framemeister is still good, but it has been surpassed (and it's out of print anyway). Light gun games do not require composite. You can play NES light gun games in RGB if you have a mod, and you can play PS2 light gun games with component by passing the luma (green cable) through the Guncon jack. You can even play Guncon with SCART on PS1 or PS2 if you have a specially- made SCART cable with an external sync jack.
the only thing I don't like about scarf is that it leaks voltage. That means you want as direct a signal from console to TV as possible. Console>scart cable>framemeister>HDMI cable>TV. If you try to introduce a scart switchbox so you can connect multiple scart cables into a single input, you'll notice a drop in quality from voltage leaking from the cables.
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Fantastic video! I appreciate you folks taking the time to make it. I'm still a little confused as far as the direction I should taking with the best possible picture quality for PS1/PS2 gaming sans hunting an old CRT TV. I have both my original PS1 and (Fat) PS2 consoles. Should I aim for the Framesiter? RGB via SCART? Component? If I do use an RGB connection via SCART, how the heck to do I connect that cable to my television? Thanks in advance for any and all comments you folks may have.
Jorge Ortega Well the Framemeister is going to enhance the image for both consoles. But generally, you'll want SCART for the PSone, and Component or SCART for the PS2 (I [Coury] use Component, and Try uses SCART - they're very close. The benefit from Component comes in when you have a 480p PS2 game to play - SCART only carries up to 480i unless you have some special hardware.
To connect a SCART connection to a HDTV you're going to need a SCART to Component adapter like the one seen in the RGB 101 video.
Overall though, you're going to see a huge gain using a Framemeister with both of these systems, especially so in the case of the PS1
This was very interesting. Thanks to you guys, I'm thinking about getting the Framemeister, since I think it'll be the best answer to my current setup.
Ya'see, I currently own, play, and take care of 8 consoles. Three of them (the XBox 360 slime, Wii-U and PS4) run through an HDMI switcher (which mine currently only supports three inputs), while another three run through a composite switcher (the N64, XBox and Gamecube). The SNES hooks up directly to the TV via coax, while the last console (the Nintendo Switch) connects to the TV directly via HDMI.
For awhile, I thought that this was as good as it was gonna get. I know of a retro gaming store not terribly far from where I live that do mods for older consoles, but I didn't feel like modding every single composite and coax console I own to HDMI. I felt like that would have been a hassle, as well as expensive. However, thanks to this Framemeister, I'm thinking about running the composite switcher into it first, then having the Meister run into the tv via HDMI. I think that should work perfectly.
You answered b) but not a). If I can offer advice, I plug all my systems into a Philips DVD-Recorder (not player since players don't have inputs.) For those old systems, first in take an ordinary RCA, hook it up to an RCA splitter, both cables to 2 separate RCA-to-RF adapters. One is for the CRT TV for 2 reasons, one is for 7800 light gun games like Crossbow, and the other goes to a DVD-Recorder. (Truth be told I got 3 RF inputs, a TV antenna, a satellite auxiliary RF, and a classic system. Hopefully we'll extend our satellite so it can output component + Toslink and HDMI and take in the over-the -air antenna and integrate it into the system, so that frees up our DVD antenna input, and the DVD is the only HD Tuner I have.) The picture looks fine except for radio interference on my Venture You Tube video which coincidently shows a unique Venture trick. Type "Colecovision Venture Glitch" to see it. It should be the first entry.
To record beyond S-video, I use a Hauppauge Rocket and store as an MP4 on a Flash drive.
I noticed if I unplug one end of the splitter, it goes through better. This is the quality through the RCA Y Cable. I have a Composite/S-Video input through a direct input on my newer, lower ping DVD-R. That has Component and HDMI-Out. I don't know if component has less ping, but my Playstation 3D monitor makes the HDMI look 16x9 stretched. Not good for judging jumps. These are the systems I have RF: 2600, 5200, 7800, Bally Astrocade, Intellivision, Colecovision, Arcadia 2001, Odyssey2, TurboGrafx16. Composite: SMS,NES,Genesis S-Video: SNES,N64,Saturn, PS1, Jaguar, 3DO, Dreamcast. Component +Toslink: PS2, Xbox. Component + L/R: GameCube, Wii HDMI + Toslink: 360,PS3,One,Wii U. (Yes, Toslink does turn Sonic Lost World into a surround game on Dolby) I got the best video I could get without modding systems or buying foreign connectors.
By the way, I ran the same video through a CRT TV and various ways through a PLaystaiton 3D TV, and filmed them together and the PS3DTV also seems one frame behind, which should be 1/60 of a second filmed on a 3DS non-night mode.
Any recommendation of making the CRT Split, so I can run a direct feed into a CRT TV and a second feed into a recorder?
I'm more interested in plugging in true arcade sticks into an Intellivision. Those controllers suck. At least the NES pad you can place on the floor and play like a keypad. I put two finger on the d-pad and 2 on the action buttons and can make better cardinals, more intentional diagonals, and can independently jump and fire simultaneously in Mega Man games. Too bad Nintendo forced us to hold the SNES controller, denying precise controls, making the Genesis pad, (at least the 6 button one) a superior pad for Street Fighter
This is one of the best informative videos I've seen. I have an OLD TV that, kinda of like the one the you put on 7:55, but my questions is, is RBG better than using composite in those TV? Because I still don't get how you would connect it to those TV. SNES -> RGB - SCARF -> SCARFT CONVERTER - > COMPOSITE CABLE -> TV? I hope you answer my questions since I'm really interested in getting the best quality for playing, not actually recording the games.
Daniel de la Garza Well if your TV only has composite (the Yellow cable) then you'll be limited - you'll get the same image as if you just went in directly from the SNES with it.
If your TV supports Component (Red/Green/Blue input) then you'll see a large jump with the SCART to Component box.
Fantastic info for any true gamer from the old school generation like myself. Consoles from the NES up through PS2 can be properly upscaled to the best HD quality you can hope to get for these consoles if you pay attention to the info shared on this video.
Definitely a purchase for me!
Wow, this RGB series is amazing and I don't even plan on getting the framemeister. I have a compulsion to watch each episode multiple times, even though I don't own all the retro consoles. Maybe I'll invest in the framemeister successor if they resolve the glaring deficiencies...
SCART/RGB wasn't a popular standard here in New Zealand, we had the Australian problem of European standards such as PAL, but composite and s-video available for AV inputs. Occasionally SCART was available to us, particularly towards the end of CRT, around 2002.
Thankfully, a few European imports were available, as is the case for my Bang and Olufsen ME6000.
I've had that scart to component converter shown at 7:50 for a few years now and I finished getting my final system (turbografx) set up for it and it's definitely worth the hassle as long as you find a really good crt with component as well
Congratulations on completing your gaming setup. What consoles/systems do you have hooked up to your TV?
Genesis/sega cd, Saturn, N64, NES, Turbo, SNES, PS2, and Wii are all hooked up to my CRT with rgb or component. It's a bit of a mess of wires but it's a lot of fun to be able to see them all at their best. I'd like to get a 32x someday as well as a standalone master system but the genesis with the converter does the job pretty well so far.
What can be done, if anything, for older systems like Colecovison, Atari 2600 or 5200, etc?
Also, what about systems like the 3DO and Jaguar?
Lastly, is there a HDTV model or brand that works better than others?
Great video, thanks!
Orrimarrko66 [Coury] From the research I've done, the old Atari systems can be modded for S-Video but thats about as good as it gets.
The Jaguar supports native RGB but I don't know if anyone sells a cable. The info I've seen suggests building it yourself... I certainly don't have the soldering skills for that!
The 3DO doesn't support RGB but can be modded.
In terms of HDTV, we both have Samsungs - but the only other type I've experimented with is LG and had no issues. Be sure to turn on game mode!
Great video! I am now considering a framemeister lol. Quick question though: for a PS2, would I get the best picture using RGB with the framemeister, or would Component be better? Thanks!
Ben Slate [Coury] Well, they both have benefits. Try likes to use SCART for is, while I use Component. As it is right now, the SCART approach will not allow you to achieve 480p in the games that allow it, while the Component does. But on the flipside, Component has a tiny, TINY bit more noise in certain colors. I don't notice it at all, but you'll see it in certain instances.
Awesome, thanks for the info!
For a long time I thought Billy Corgan was going off the deep end, but now that I see him in this video I’m back to feeling like my teens weren’t so much of a waste after all.
RubberNinja (Ross) favorited this, so I'm crossing my fingers the quality of the Game Grumps videos might be optimized soon.
I very much enjoyed this video, and I would love to see you guys do another one about capturing video signal and the post-production you guys do.
OG Xbox also outputs RGB natively and scart cables are pretty cheap for them, but most games support 720p through component cable if you buy that adapter box.
I bought the different side of the scart cable to fit through the one that came with my framemeister. but it doens't work. it fits but it still won't work. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I just hope they didn't deliver me a shit cable.
[Try4ce] Did you check that your cable is SCART (European) or JP-21 (Japanese)? Be careful, these terms are sometimes used incorrectly. You may have bought the opposite one. They are equal quality and can be used with any system, but they need to match.
This is still a great, informative video all these years later, but I have to ask: have you guys ever considered remaking this video to encompass the advancements the retro gaming scene has seen since 2014 (such as the OSSC)?
[Try4ce] Well, that's what our whole RGB series is for. It's certainly quite an outdated video.
10:57 - THIS! Is exactly what I do in my mind every time I see composite video now. YUNORGB?
helswake [Coury] still one of my favorite shots from any video we've ever done.
I ordered the XRGB Mini, I want to assume I need a step down converter yes? No worries, I understand what cables I need, just the power supply im worried about.
10:34 is literally insane!
Yep, SCART is super common in Europe.
I'm from Sweden and all our TV:s have SCART inputs. I was surprised to find that even my brand new Sony 3D TV that I'm using today has one.
Hey guys! Quick question. I didn‘t quite understand what cable to use for the PS2 in combination with the Framemeister. Do you recommend RGB SCART or component? I live in Europe and own a PS2 slim PAL system and a Framemeister. Also, I love your videos. I‘ve learned so much from your channel and I‘m starting to lecture people about video signals and cables - Mostly nobody cares about it as much as I do! All the best from Austria!
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