I went with a ASUS Hero Z690, 12900k, GSKILL 6000 DDR5 paired with a EVGA FTW RTX 30980Ti and Corsair Cappelix 360 AIO - thanks Andy very informative review!
Ha, almost the same, Z690 Hero, 12700K (4% perf loss between 12900K), Gskill T Z5 5600 DDr5 CL36 and soon 3090 will jump into it. Had custom water loop on my previous pc, to much headache with water, went for Noctua NH-U12A this time.
Purposely waited for this platform to mature and im glad i did! The memory issues alone was worth the wait and waiting for the faster DDR5 to arrive. Finally on a Asus ROG Strix Z690-I ITX board with a 12700k plus Corsair Vengeance 5600mhz. Done alot of tweaking and its a huge step up from my 9900kf platform!
Hi you seem knowledgeable and I was wondering if you can help me with my ram. Im waiting on all my parts and this is my first ever build and im nervous about things. Im worried about my ram choice and compatibility for my i7 12700k cpu and Msi Mag Z690 Tomahawk ddr4 wifi mobo. I ordered Kingston Fury Beast rgb 2x16gb 3600mt/s which apparently can go to 3733mt/s with overclocking which idk how to do yet but I discovered today that the i7 12700k says it's only compatible with 3200mhz on item description. Idk if im gonna run into problems with my ram working at all being its 3600mts and 2nd if it does work is it still possible to achieve 3600mts with my cpu saying 3200mhz? I know the mobo says its compatible at 3600mhz and even more but the i7 is insinuating 3200mhz is it's limitation. Here's my build in case you're wondering. I spent $2,287 not including taxes all together and got: -Samsung G5 1440p Curved Monitor -Thermaltake Ceres 500 Case -Gigabyte 4070 ti Gaming OC -I7 12700k -Msi Mag Z690 Tomahawk wifi Ddr4 -Kingston Fury Beast Rgb 2x16 (32gb) 3600Mt/s -1 Tb Samsung 970Evo M.2 Nvme -Corsair Rmx 850w psu 80+ gold fully modular -Arctic Freezer 34 Duo Cooler -Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Thermal Paste -Echogear Surge Protector Power strip
if i connect the xdr apple monitor to that thunderbolt 4 output will i have the performance of my rtx 3080 or the performance of my cpu graphics... thx
Which liquid or AIR coolers supported by LGA1700 ? I have seen videos and articles saying that most of the coolers don't contact with CPU even after using recommended lga 1700 brackets.
If I were to buy, I was first looking at Asus for the iCUE integration. Though seeing the Hero is $130 USD more than the Master and the Hero lacks 10Gbe, while Master has it, then that would be a deal killer for me. I have 10Gbe at home. I have really liked Gigabyte’s power delivery and VRM cooling these past couple years. They also tend to be priced more competitively as well.
@@DJaquithFL It would be awesome if some companies started to add SFP+ on the motherboard, though that would also take up a lot more room. That said you only need to buy one transceiver with the RJ45 and I have my house wired with Cat 6A. Granted anything near my 10Gbe switch, I use Twinax and only use fiber for a device that isn't compatible with Twinax.
@@darinscharrer6431 True, though the price difference and I have never knowingly owned anything with TB, let alone TB4. For me I could use 10Gbe and it would save me ~$100 for the 10Gbe NIC.
@@SolarityTechnology .. I have a full 10G UniFi home with everything CAT-6A and there isn't one consumer board I've seen that I would use its onboard NIC for 10G. I'd buy the ASUS Extreme if you wanted an easy screen above your GPU and the ASUS Glacial if you also wanted a sexy full block on your board and the $2K to toss. But never would I use either onboard NIC. PS .. I might be one of those guys, I'm just debating at the extra $1K is worth the orgasm factor or not considering my age. 😆
I have been keen on the ASUS Extreme however reading some of the notes regarding the PCIe slots I have more questions than answers? Does the Gigabyte PCIe slots have the same issues with PCIe 5.0 Lanes/
hi, as regards overclocking / tolerance to high overclocking and longevity and durability (in overclocking) is the tuf gaming z690 plus or the prime z690 p better?
and about pcie for GC? i am thinkng buy ASUS x570 Crosshair Extreme for my 5950x, and next gen RTX 4080. will next gen GC pci-e5 saturate all bandwidth?
A great cut-to-the-chase review with really insightful benchmarks; thanks! Yesterday afternoon I already made my decision when it comes to the cpu and the type of DDR ram. After seeing the first reviews of the new Alder Lakes coming in, I knew the i5-12600k was the one for me in terms of money/value. Since I want to wait until DDR5 - and Windows 11 aswell, for that matter - "matures" enough in 2022, I decided to go for DDR4. So in a few hours I hope to receive a TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 and as you basically said in your review: I want the new technology, but not break the bank (297 euro)! P.S. My Intel Core i5 12600K costed 299, which will come in the same mail package.
I have the Maximus Hero 590 and running sli asus strix 3090's. My mb is a 3-slot spacing for the Nvlink. It looks like the new 690 hero kept that 3-slot spacing for Sli installs. That's good, as I want to upgrade my system to the 690 hardware...if i can find it.
I hate my Asus motherboard which takes forever to log into windows every time I turn the computer on, no matter how I change my BIOS setting. So which motherboard is the fastest time from turn on the computer to log into windows? Thanks
Hey, first off: great video! My 12900k just arrived and I am searching for the right mainboard for it. do you think a Gigabyte Aorus Pro is enough and capable of the i9 12900k? I saw it ''only'' has 1x8/1x4pin CPU power delivery, will that be a problem? (not planning to OC) Thanks for your help in advance! :)
Thanks for this concise review! My old i7-6700K PC broke down so I'm stuck with my laptop at present. I want to build a new rig so I'm planning to get an i7-12700KF paired with the MSI MAG Tomahawk WiFi DDR4. I'm sticking with DDR4 since DDR5 is too expensive relative to the performance gains; KF instead of K processor since having integrated graphics is pretty pointless with a GPU and it will save a couple of bucks. My main issue is just cooler compatibility since the free adapters offered by manufacturers is a pain to ship where I live; someone I know is already waiting two months and hasn't gotten it from Noctua.
i have 12700k ddr5 which psu you suggest me for this specs 12700k msi mag z690 wifi ddr5 6000mhz 16gb ram h150 corsair cooler msi rtx 3070ti gaming x trio
Except for one key aspect, no bios flashback button. Not a problem in 2021 when you're getting a 12th gen CPU but for those that want to get an older, cheaper board for their 13th gen cpu's and have to update the bios it's a lifesaver. Had to order a cheap 12th gen i3 just to update my board. Ridiculous when every other board at that price point and some below have that feature.
I was going to go with the Asus Hero Maximus one but I think I like the Gigabyte Aorus Master one a lot also. Which is a better pick? I just want great thermals.
I really want for my next build next year a MSI Or Gigabyte. Mid range not ultra expensive stuff. Also i have my eyes set on that beautiful core i7 12700k
I ll be going with the Asus Hero , the 3 previous Hero boards i ve owned were straight excellent , no issues whatsoever ! A 10gb ethernet would have been nice though , and why the 24-pin is only faced horizontally on the 2 most expensive boards is also beyond me ...
Not a fan of ASUS, not saying it's bad, not at all, but i don't like it's appearance and it's stupidly overpriced in my region. I have an ASUS Z77 second hand when bad PSU blowed up MSI B75 and it's working fantastic.
@@SolarityTechnology well gigabyte master lacks thunderbolt 4 so take your pick. You can add a 10Gbe card to the Asus and you can add a thunderbolt 4 card to gigabyte.
If the Gigabyte Z690 AORUS MASTER does only have PCIe 3.0 as secondary slots, wouldn’t it be more “future proof” to go with the MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI/FORCE WIFI for the 2 PCIe 5.0 to accommodate future high speed extension cards (M.2 5.0, Thunderbolt 4, USB 4, …)? The trade of would be the 10GbE LAN and some fewer and slower USB ports… But does the MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI has enough power and cooling for a workstation kind of use (photo, video, photogrammetry/drone mapping)? And what would be the differences between the Z690 CARBON and the Z690 FORCE? Same specs, shared manual but 120€ price difference (599€ for the CARBON vs 479€ for the FORCE in France…), is it just the color? PS: the AORUS MASTER retails at 529€
@@Chronix74 Thanks, that's what I thought but the price gap made me ask if I had miss something. Anyway, I went with the Aorus Master for the better thermal control.
@@ericrose3978 thanks, good choice too but unavailable at the moment in France and my actual computer is dying... Anyway I went with the Master, not a bad motherboard. I'll manage later if I ever NEED M.2 5.0.
I am looking a low end 670's DDR5's with debugging leds + IO flash bios buttons as a must have ! So it was great to see in hand (all be it yours) MSI Carbon and Gigabyte Aorus Pro which are the 2 I am currently looking at so thank you for some insight.
what I did not say is that I waited a year to accumulate all these parts .. vid card and memory .. was in short supply as you all know .. but now I finally get to enjoy!
Nice viewo .... but I wish the comparisons of the different MB were similar, i.e. using same DDR memroy configurations (32GB DDR4, for example) to trully tell them apart, if possible. It seems DDR5 boards performed the best over memory intensive tests over DDR4 boards. It wasn't clear to me if they all used the same CPU (i9-12900K ?). If not, then these hard won tests are not valid, unfortunately.
If you want better hardware for your money, you should always wait. On the other hand, if you're buying now, ask yourself what is the best available platform atm.
Two and a half years later/after purchase, I kinda, sorta wish I had gone with DDR5, but at the time of purchase, you would've had to be a bit mad to do that. DDR4 boards were pretty insanely priced already and DDR5 ones were even more expensive, but the real deal-breaker was DDR5 prices. IIRC, I would've had to pay around 300 EUR for a decent kit back then. Which was more than what my CPU cost, so I went with DDR4. Plus DDR5 didn't have much of an edge vs DDR4 back then in most applications and that doesn't seem to have changed all that much since then. Anyway: I ended up breaking my decades-long tradition of using only Asus boards as the MSI Tomahawk's specs were closer to my needs *and* I could get a much better deal on the MSI - lower price plus MSI cashback = ~80 EUR between the MSI and the Asus TUF. Can't say I've regretted my choice and the board now runs a 14700KF instead of the 12600K I started with and everything seems to be working fine. I am however still baffled by mow much manufacturers have dialed back the features they throw on these things - especially the upper mid-range ones like the Tomahawk or TUF. I still have an old system sitting around here with a pretty basic Z87 Asus board in it that was around 130 EUR back in the mid 2010s .. and even that thing had a CLR CMOS button on the I/O and power/reset buttons on the board. Neither of which are to be found on the Tomahawk that cost twice as much in 2022. Heck, the Tomahawk didn't even come with a jumper for the clear CMOS pins on the board.. :D
Asus Hero! thunderbolt, "ai oc features via software and hardware! oc/ good for 12900k features but also because I need to stay in asus camp because of aio cooler I chose and rgb fans compatible software side, I was looking at the z690 strix E but I keep seeing the top ssd slot messing with the gpu pcie slot from x16 down to x8 so I'd rather spend more now then run into future problems kinda sucks! could u test slots on some boards to see if things like the strix e, is happening to any other boards would be good information! And further what does the problem actually do to your preforence
Very informative discussion. I am building an i7-12700K system. Initially, I had an Asus ROG STRIX Gaming WiFi motherboard, but it proved to be DOA. I have returned it and ordered a Gigabyte Aorus Master MB. It's in the mail now.
Word, I like my choice of getting the Gigabyte that has greatest VRM's for price. The Auros Pro of course. I could only get 4 bank groupsx2 banks (x16) memory (2x8gb) to start. I''ll just OC the processor and assess the results. Never been a 4 bank groupx2 banks memory unit before with DDR5 architecture so f it.
Currently I have a Gigabyte B75m-D3H, a DDR 3 board, with a 3rd Gen Intel Core i5 3330 Ivy Bridge CPU. Well, that is old, but it still is doing the job. Though it is on the way out now, experiencing what I believe may be I/O problems. The RAM is full of nonsens, but once they are in the right slots all is working, Screen at times don't want to come on, nothing that can't be fixed by removing the graphics card and inserting it again. Then there is the biggest pain, the hard drives struggel to read, sometimes they will just drop, but seems switiching them around for now did the job. But that will not work forever, so I am now looking for a new board, with the prices these days sky high I am looking at the Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X with the Intel i7 12700K CPU and 3600mhz DDR 4 RAM.
@Morsse Nein ich hab auf Alza vorbestellt und dort das Hero für 580€ bekommen. Das Gigabyte dafür bei Amazon für 530. Also genau mittendrin. Leider hat Gigabyte gerade mit den Netzteilen und jetzt wieder mit den 8000mhz nicht den besten Track Record. KA was ich tue mal schauen vl finde ich noch wo 1 2 reviews.
@Morsse Ja gut kafuen können und behalten sind zwei paar Schuhe. Ich will mir das Gigabyte mal anschauen hatte leider schlechte Erfahrung auch schon mit Ihnen. Allerdings ist halt bei Amazon kaufen einfach so bequem falls mit dem Board etwas ist, dass es sogar das aufhebt. Mal sehen...
to be honest no real need to upgrade my amd 590x.....yes, benchmarks are better but in real life ...can you tell the difference? There is one thing, having heaps of USB devices is something that has me interested IF they all work if everyone is used , if you have a racing rig with all the bells you can run into problems as win10 cant handle them
I don't want a TH-cam channel so I can make money. I want a TH-cam channel so I can have a library of PC parts that I can sit in front of and feel like a straight bad ass. That backdrop is so nice.
I wouldn't say those benchmarks are the same. For the DDR4 boards, Geek Bench was at least 15% worse, AIDA64 (MBps) was about 40% worse, and 7Zip about 80% worse! DDR5 is simply going to outperform DDR4. Sure, will the average person notice? Probably not, but then why are you considering high end boards/watching these reviews at all? I have my eye on the MSI MPG but it seems to be the outlier on these benchmarks. I know the differences aren't big but at least visually it sticks out from all other boards. I assume SuperPi is MM:SS, why an extra 20 seconds from all the rest?
I still am confused why no reviewer has done a side by side comparison of DDR4 4800 versus DDR5 4800. I am guessing all reviewers are holding out for future content.
Everything you need? You never dwelled into the details of the boards at all... You just talked about what we can see for ourselves when we see the pictures of them.
@@yutingli5202 Well I actually got the formula instead to match my build color. But I did originally have an extreme that lasted about 3 days before I had to RMA it. I just chose them for looks and future proofing.
my friend built my desktop for me and told me to get MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON MAX WIFI, I did. I don't find anything wrong with it. but, it seems like asus seems to be the go to motherboard. I don't hear nor see many doing things on MSI motherboards. If I ever build or have a friend do another PC for me, I'd go with the ASUS.. I'm unsure how good the gigabyte company is, really I don't know how great the MSI / ASUS are either.
Can anyone tell me, ANYONE!!! Why, WHY!!!! Do motherboard manufacturers give LESS PCIE slots for their 'better' boards??? I'm NOT going to sacrifice my cards to satisfy their desire to short change me so WTF is going on here???
Well since ddr5 ram is basically a myth right now, a mirage you see on sites and the fact that I dont want to wait for it to become available again. TUF Gaming it is
16:00 how is this a low to mid tier?
You should have grouped d4 and d5 motherboards together in the benchmarks.
brother can you please tell us how is its m.2 slots wil cool the double sided gen 4 ssds in the absence of underneath thermal pads.
Need help
Tuf gaming, Aorus elite or Aorus pro?
Which one?
After this video i think the most optimal motherboard is a gigabyte aorus master. Do you recomend this motherboard?
I'm quite confused about which 1 to buy in Asus tuf or msi tomahawk I'm pair it with 12600k and 16 GB DDR 4 3600 cl16 kit
Someone help me..!!!!
tuf
I went with a ASUS Hero Z690, 12900k, GSKILL 6000 DDR5 paired with a EVGA FTW RTX 30980Ti and Corsair Cappelix 360 AIO - thanks Andy very informative review!
30980Ti ma boy be livin in the future
360 aio sucks you should’ve went with a 280 or a 420
Ha, almost the same, Z690 Hero, 12700K (4% perf loss between 12900K), Gskill T Z5 5600 DDr5 CL36 and soon 3090 will jump into it. Had custom water loop on my previous pc, to much headache with water, went for Noctua NH-U12A this time.
Does the ROG MAXIMUS Z690 HERO support 4K 144hz?
Did you mention what DDR4 kit you were using on the DDR4 motherboards? Maybe I missed it.
Purposely waited for this platform to mature and im glad i did! The memory issues alone was worth the wait and waiting for the faster DDR5 to arrive. Finally on a Asus ROG Strix Z690-I ITX board with a 12700k plus Corsair Vengeance 5600mhz. Done alot of tweaking and its a huge step up from my 9900kf platform!
Hi you seem knowledgeable and I was wondering if you can help me with my ram. Im waiting on all my parts and this is my first ever build and im nervous about things. Im worried about my ram choice and compatibility for my i7 12700k cpu and Msi Mag Z690 Tomahawk ddr4 wifi mobo. I ordered Kingston Fury Beast rgb 2x16gb 3600mt/s which apparently can go to 3733mt/s with overclocking which idk how to do yet but I discovered today that the i7 12700k says it's only compatible with 3200mhz on item description. Idk if im gonna run into problems with my ram working at all being its 3600mts and 2nd if it does work is it still possible to achieve 3600mts with my cpu saying 3200mhz? I know the mobo says its compatible at 3600mhz and even more but the i7 is insinuating 3200mhz is it's limitation.
Here's my build in case you're wondering. I spent $2,287 not including taxes all together and got:
-Samsung G5 1440p Curved Monitor
-Thermaltake Ceres 500 Case
-Gigabyte 4070 ti Gaming OC
-I7 12700k
-Msi Mag Z690 Tomahawk wifi Ddr4
-Kingston Fury Beast Rgb 2x16 (32gb) 3600Mt/s
-1 Tb Samsung 970Evo M.2 Nvme
-Corsair Rmx 850w psu 80+ gold fully modular
-Arctic Freezer 34 Duo Cooler
-Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Thermal Paste
-Echogear Surge Protector Power strip
Gigabyte z690 elite AX DDR4 is the board I went with. I see it wasn't featured in the video. Did I make a good choice?
Aorus z690 ultra the same as the pro ? for 12900k.
if i connect the xdr apple monitor to that thunderbolt 4 output will i have the performance of my rtx 3080 or the performance of my cpu graphics... thx
i got the master one is that a bad choice?
Which liquid or AIR coolers supported by LGA1700 ? I have seen videos and articles saying that most of the coolers don't contact with CPU even after using recommended lga 1700 brackets.
If I were to buy, I was first looking at Asus for the iCUE integration. Though seeing the Hero is $130 USD more than the Master and the Hero lacks 10Gbe, while Master has it, then that would be a deal killer for me. I have 10Gbe at home. I have really liked Gigabyte’s power delivery and VRM cooling these past couple years. They also tend to be priced more competitively as well.
Gigabyte lacks thunderbolt 4 where the Asus lacks 10Gbe but you can easily add a Pcie card to add the feature to either board.
Unless the MOBO has SFP support their onboard RJ45 is pretty near useless.
@@DJaquithFL It would be awesome if some companies started to add SFP+ on the motherboard, though that would also take up a lot more room. That said you only need to buy one transceiver with the RJ45 and I have my house wired with Cat 6A. Granted anything near my 10Gbe switch, I use Twinax and only use fiber for a device that isn't compatible with Twinax.
@@darinscharrer6431 True, though the price difference and I have never knowingly owned anything with TB, let alone TB4. For me I could use 10Gbe and it would save me ~$100 for the 10Gbe NIC.
@@SolarityTechnology .. I have a full 10G UniFi home with everything CAT-6A and there isn't one consumer board I've seen that I would use its onboard NIC for 10G. I'd buy the ASUS Extreme if you wanted an easy screen above your GPU and the ASUS Glacial if you also wanted a sexy full block on your board and the $2K to toss. But never would I use either onboard NIC.
PS .. I might be one of those guys, I'm just debating at the extra $1K is worth the orgasm factor or not considering my age. 😆
I have been keen on the ASUS Extreme however reading some of the notes regarding the PCIe slots I have more questions than answers? Does the Gigabyte PCIe slots have the same issues with PCIe 5.0 Lanes/
Msi z690 carbon or z690 Aorus master ?
will the z690 Hero go well with the asus rog strix 3080 ti?
can someone explane me the different between "score" and "physics score"? 2:52 thanks
What is the better board - GIGABYTE ATX Z690 AORUS LGA 1700 -- ULTRA or PRO ?
Given you have so many of these do you have an overclocking guide for them?
hi, as regards overclocking / tolerance to high overclocking and longevity and durability (in overclocking) is the tuf gaming z690 plus or the prime z690 p better?
Which z690 DDR4 mobo should I get? I need help
I bought the 12900K. And the Asus Z690 hero. But trying to find DDR5 at the moment has been impossible.
What country are you in?
@@eTeknix USA currently.
@@DESYNC-47 ahh. I know some retailers in the UK aren’t selling ddr5 on its own and instead are doing it as part of a bundle.
@@eTeknix if it comes down to it. I may just buy a DDR4 board in the meantime.
What is the best gigabyte for amd? And is there a new one coming soon?
and about pcie for GC? i am thinkng buy ASUS x570 Crosshair Extreme for my 5950x, and next gen RTX 4080. will next gen GC pci-e5 saturate all bandwidth?
a test of the GIGABYTE - Z690 UD DDR4
and MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 would have been welcome compared to these expensive cards.
So far these boards are getting good feedback from customers so agree.
Agreed, throw in the Tuf gaming and it's a real showdown
A great cut-to-the-chase review with really insightful benchmarks; thanks! Yesterday afternoon I already made my decision when it comes to the cpu and the type of DDR ram. After seeing the first reviews of the new Alder Lakes coming in, I knew the i5-12600k was the one for me in terms of money/value. Since I want to wait until DDR5 - and Windows 11 aswell, for that matter - "matures" enough in 2022, I decided to go for DDR4. So in a few hours I hope to receive a TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 and as you basically said in your review: I want the new technology, but not break the bank (297 euro)! P.S. My Intel Core i5 12600K costed 299, which will come in the same mail package.
these would be my choices as well.
@@davidpeterson6147 At this time if you would want to build a PC would you have waited for Ryzen 7000 to launch or Go with i5-12600K
I have the Maximus Hero 590 and running sli asus strix 3090's. My mb is a 3-slot spacing for the Nvlink. It looks like the new 690 hero kept that 3-slot spacing for Sli installs. That's good, as I want to upgrade my system to the 690 hardware...if i can find it.
wich one is beter for 13th gen cpu??
Msi pro Z690 D4
Asus prime z690-p D4
Gigabyte Z690 UD D4
AORUS ELITE Z690-M D4
Is there or will there be a Tomahawk DDR5 version? There is one listed at the MSI website, but can’t find it on any shop.
I believe so but not all models have made it to retailers yet.
the video I was looking for, wonder what Msi is doing with godlike
I hate my Asus motherboard which takes forever to log into windows every time I turn the computer on, no matter how I change my BIOS setting. So which motherboard is the fastest time from turn on the computer to log into windows? Thanks
Hey, first off: great video!
My 12900k just arrived and I am searching for the right mainboard for it.
do you think a Gigabyte Aorus Pro is enough and capable of the i9 12900k?
I saw it ''only'' has 1x8/1x4pin CPU power delivery, will that be a problem? (not planning to OC)
Thanks for your help in advance! :)
Do you know what are the differences between the Pro and the Master?
is the gigabyte z690 aorus elite ddr4 good enough for the 12900k?
Thanks for this concise review! My old i7-6700K PC broke down so I'm stuck with my laptop at present. I want to build a new rig so I'm planning to get an i7-12700KF paired with the MSI MAG Tomahawk WiFi DDR4. I'm sticking with DDR4 since DDR5 is too expensive relative to the performance gains; KF instead of K processor since having integrated graphics is pretty pointless with a GPU and it will save a couple of bucks. My main issue is just cooler compatibility since the free adapters offered by manufacturers is a pain to ship where I live; someone I know is already waiting two months and hasn't gotten it from Noctua.
I really like the Asus Prime Z690-P D4 DDR4. Do you have any tips to increase the USB ports? Thats the only thing I do not like about it
Thanks for the vid. Are you testing performance with stock settings? Or manually locking frequencies and voltages?
i have 12700k ddr5 which psu you suggest me for this specs
12700k
msi mag z690 wifi ddr5
6000mhz 16gb ram
h150 corsair cooler
msi rtx 3070ti gaming x trio
I was already to pull the trigger on the Tomahawk and the Tuf Gaming beat it or tied in almost every category....I'm lost all over again.
Except for one key aspect, no bios flashback button. Not a problem in 2021 when you're getting a 12th gen CPU but for those that want to get an older, cheaper board for their 13th gen cpu's and have to update the bios it's a lifesaver. Had to order a cheap 12th gen i3 just to update my board. Ridiculous when every other board at that price point and some below have that feature.
I was going to go with the Asus Hero Maximus one but I think I like the Gigabyte Aorus Master one a lot also. Which is a better pick? I just want great thermals.
If money is no barrier then what is the best motherboard for the best 12th gen Intel chip.
In case you're wondering why MSI Tomahawk and Asus TUF boards are so much behind in several benchmarks? -> Yup, DDR4 boards vs. DDR5 boards.
Behind in benchmarks, but real world gaming no meaningful human perceptible difference.
God, thanks
I was thinking that
I really want for my next build next year a MSI Or Gigabyte. Mid range not ultra expensive stuff. Also i have my eyes set on that beautiful core i7 12700k
Just bought an i7 12700k with MSI z690 motherboard still waiting for the rest of the parts but it looks soo good!
Looking for Gigabyte z690 ud ax ddr4 , asus prime z690-p wifi d4, msi pro z690-A ddr4 mobo review
All the performance tests done do not matter, the importance is the VRM temperature that's what matters when picking motherboards.
The aorus master looks good, but I want DDR4 Instead of DDR5, so which one to get?
Wait for Aorus Pro DDR4, it is not out yet
I have never found on the internet how much performance x690 gain over x590 in terms of gaming. Percentage?
I ll be going with the Asus Hero , the 3 previous Hero boards i ve owned were straight excellent , no issues whatsoever ! A 10gb ethernet would have been nice though , and why the 24-pin is only faced horizontally on the 2 most expensive boards is also beyond me ...
Not a fan of ASUS, not saying it's bad, not at all, but i don't like it's appearance and it's stupidly overpriced in my region. I have an ASUS Z77 second hand when bad PSU blowed up MSI B75 and it's working fantastic.
I was interested in the Hero till I saw that it lacked 10Gb and costs a lot more than the Gigabyte Master that has 10Gb.
@@SolarityTechnology well gigabyte master lacks thunderbolt 4 so take your pick. You can add a 10Gbe card to the Asus and you can add a thunderbolt 4 card to gigabyte.
Is the Z690 AORUS Master support PCIe 5.0 + 2 PCIe 4.0 (x4) or PCIe 5.0 + 2 PCIe 3.0 (x4) (as said on Gigabyte website)?
If the Gigabyte Z690 AORUS MASTER does only have PCIe 3.0 as secondary slots, wouldn’t it be more “future proof” to go with the MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI/FORCE WIFI for the 2 PCIe 5.0 to accommodate future high speed extension cards (M.2 5.0, Thunderbolt 4, USB 4, …)?
The trade of would be the 10GbE LAN and some fewer and slower USB ports… But does the MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI has enough power and cooling for a workstation kind of use (photo, video, photogrammetry/drone mapping)?
And what would be the differences between the Z690 CARBON and the Z690 FORCE?
Same specs, shared manual but 120€ price difference (599€ for the CARBON vs 479€ for the FORCE in France…), is it just the color?
PS: the AORUS MASTER retails at 529€
@@nicophoto1298 Yes, just the color, the price differnece here is the white one is 10 dollars cheaper.
@@Chronix74 Thanks, that's what I thought but the price gap made me ask if I had miss something. Anyway, I went with the Aorus Master for the better thermal control.
@@ericrose3978 thanks, good choice too but unavailable at the moment in France and my actual computer is dying...
Anyway I went with the Master, not a bad motherboard. I'll manage later if I ever NEED M.2 5.0.
Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master is the best board for the features, price and performance.
A cool processor that is suitable not only for fans of computer overclocking, but also for those who want their computer to work stably.
Strix-a d4 and 12900k for me. The 12600k seems like a great value CPU though.
I am looking a low end 670's DDR5's with debugging leds + IO flash bios buttons as a must have ! So it was great to see in hand (all be it yours) MSI Carbon and Gigabyte Aorus Pro which are the 2 I am currently looking at so thank you for some insight.
what I did not say is that I waited a year to accumulate all these parts .. vid card and memory .. was in short supply as you all know .. but now I finally get to enjoy!
Nice viewo .... but I wish the comparisons of the different MB were similar, i.e. using same DDR memroy configurations (32GB DDR4, for example) to trully tell them apart, if possible. It seems DDR5 boards performed the best over memory intensive tests over DDR4 boards. It wasn't clear to me if they all used the same CPU (i9-12900K ?). If not, then these hard won tests are not valid, unfortunately.
Why did the TUF and Tomahawk perform so poorly on some of the benchmarks?
DDR4 .rest are ddr5
Is the z690 the highest end intel chipset for years to come ? Should I invest in one for a new build or better wait ?…
If you want better hardware for your money, you should always wait. On the other hand, if you're buying now, ask yourself what is the best available platform atm.
Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE DDR4 ATX Motherboard is this a good board
this ad at the beginning? dude love it!
Two and a half years later/after purchase, I kinda, sorta wish I had gone with DDR5, but at the time of purchase, you would've had to be a bit mad to do that. DDR4 boards were pretty insanely priced already and DDR5 ones were even more expensive, but the real deal-breaker was DDR5 prices. IIRC, I would've had to pay around 300 EUR for a decent kit back then. Which was more than what my CPU cost, so I went with DDR4. Plus DDR5 didn't have much of an edge vs DDR4 back then in most applications and that doesn't seem to have changed all that much since then.
Anyway: I ended up breaking my decades-long tradition of using only Asus boards as the MSI Tomahawk's specs were closer to my needs *and* I could get a much better deal on the MSI - lower price plus MSI cashback = ~80 EUR between the MSI and the Asus TUF. Can't say I've regretted my choice and the board now runs a 14700KF instead of the 12600K I started with and everything seems to be working fine.
I am however still baffled by mow much manufacturers have dialed back the features they throw on these things - especially the upper mid-range ones like the Tomahawk or TUF. I still have an old system sitting around here with a pretty basic Z87 Asus board in it that was around 130 EUR back in the mid 2010s .. and even that thing had a CLR CMOS button on the I/O and power/reset buttons on the board. Neither of which are to be found on the Tomahawk that cost twice as much in 2022. Heck, the Tomahawk didn't even come with a jumper for the clear CMOS pins on the board.. :D
Asus Hero! thunderbolt, "ai oc features via software and hardware! oc/ good for 12900k features but also because I need to stay in asus camp because of aio cooler I chose and rgb fans compatible software side, I was looking at the z690 strix E but I keep seeing the top ssd slot messing with the gpu pcie slot from x16 down to x8 so I'd rather spend more now then run into future problems kinda sucks! could u test slots on some boards to see if things like the strix e, is happening to any other boards would be good information! And further what does the problem actually do to your preforence
Kindly check motherboard burning issues in all the Brand’s. Thank you
Very informative discussion. I am building an i7-12700K system. Initially, I had an Asus ROG STRIX Gaming WiFi motherboard, but it proved to be DOA. I have returned it and ordered a Gigabyte Aorus Master MB. It's in the mail now.
Is there any Coil whine issue with your Asus mobo
My pick would be MSI Unify ofc if not breaking the budget, other wise Gigabyte Pro
Word, I like my choice of getting the Gigabyte that has greatest VRM's for price. The Auros Pro of course. I could only get 4 bank groupsx2 banks (x16) memory (2x8gb) to start. I''ll just OC the processor and assess the results. Never been a 4 bank groupx2 banks memory unit before with DDR5 architecture so f it.
Currently I have a Gigabyte B75m-D3H, a DDR 3 board, with a 3rd Gen Intel Core i5 3330 Ivy Bridge CPU. Well, that is old, but it still is doing the job. Though it is on the way out now, experiencing what I believe may be I/O problems. The RAM is full of nonsens, but once they are in the right slots all is working, Screen at times don't want to come on, nothing that can't be fixed by removing the graphics card and inserting it again. Then there is the biggest pain, the hard drives struggel to read, sometimes they will just drop, but seems switiching them around for now did the job. But that will not work forever, so I am now looking for a new board, with the prices these days sky high I am looking at the Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X with the Intel i7 12700K CPU and 3600mhz DDR 4 RAM.
Where is Asrock ?
Wheres the Gigabite Z690 AERO D..:P
I cant seem to find any DDR 5 RAM I have an ROG MAXIMUS Z690 EXTREME on the way
can you tell me all the parts that you're going to buy for the Xtreme motherboard? including VGA, Memory, etc
Can't wait for my Z690-I. Thanks for the video!
No problem. You’ll love the board!
Does it support DDR4 or only DDR5
@@alexfroehlich711 DDR5 Only :)
@@soxxks Poop! Wish there was cross compatibility. Thank you for the reply! Really appreciate it
Are the benchmark differences due to Ddr5 or just bad overall quality? It seems that the ddr4 boards are like 15% lower consistently
He literally says it at 6:00
help choose a board form these
MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI DDR4 -
MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 -
ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 -
ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WiFi -
Thank you for your great work as always! I am still struggling to decide between the Hero and the Aorus Master. Whats your take?
It’s a tough one. So much of it comes to price as they are very similar spec wise.
@@eTeknix Thanks. So which do you think looks better? Trusted you with my Z490 ACE back then so I am trusting you with this one too!
@Morsse Pre ordered both with only 50€ difference so not the end of the world. I think this is even making et harder...
@Morsse Nein ich hab auf Alza vorbestellt und dort das Hero für 580€ bekommen. Das Gigabyte dafür bei Amazon für 530. Also genau mittendrin. Leider hat Gigabyte gerade mit den Netzteilen und jetzt wieder mit den 8000mhz nicht den besten Track Record. KA was ich tue mal schauen vl finde ich noch wo 1 2 reviews.
@Morsse Ja gut kafuen können und behalten sind zwei paar Schuhe. Ich will mir das Gigabyte mal anschauen hatte leider schlechte Erfahrung auch schon mit Ihnen. Allerdings ist halt bei Amazon kaufen einfach so bequem falls mit dem Board etwas ist, dass es sogar das aufhebt. Mal sehen...
More interested in the 2-DIMM XOC boards, like the Z690 Apex, Tachyon, Unify-X, etc.
r u hardcore overclocker
to be honest no real need to upgrade my amd 590x.....yes, benchmarks are better but in real life ...can you tell the difference? There is one thing, having heaps of USB devices is something that has me interested IF they all work if everyone is used , if you have a racing rig with all the bells you can run into problems as win10 cant handle them
I don't want a TH-cam channel so I can make money. I want a TH-cam channel so I can have a library of PC parts that I can sit in front of and feel like a straight bad ass. That backdrop is so nice.
I wouldn't say those benchmarks are the same. For the DDR4 boards, Geek Bench was at least 15% worse, AIDA64 (MBps) was about 40% worse, and 7Zip about 80% worse! DDR5 is simply going to outperform DDR4. Sure, will the average person notice? Probably not, but then why are you considering high end boards/watching these reviews at all?
I have my eye on the MSI MPG but it seems to be the outlier on these benchmarks. I know the differences aren't big but at least visually it sticks out from all other boards. I assume SuperPi is MM:SS, why an extra 20 seconds from all the rest?
So many motherboards and no Asrock :/ Can you include a couple of Asrock, like the Taichi and Steel legend? It's great mobos for the price.
I still am confused why no reviewer has done a side by side comparison of DDR4 4800 versus DDR5 4800. I am guessing all reviewers are holding out for future content.
Getting hold of ddr5 at various speeds is difficult right now.
Tomahawk Z690 all the way.. great value for the DDR4 version
This is exactly what i was looking for 😍❤️
Everything you need? You never dwelled into the details of the boards at all... You just talked about what we can see for ourselves when we see the pictures of them.
Thank you for this content! I was in between the hero and the extreme but after watching your videos, I am going with the extreme
why extreme? Same conflicting here
@@yutingli5202 Well I actually got the formula instead to match my build color. But I did originally have an extreme that lasted about 3 days before I had to RMA it. I just chose them for looks and future proofing.
Gave a like just for that ad at the beginning
my friend built my desktop for me and told me to get MSI B450 GAMING PRO
CARBON MAX WIFI, I did. I don't find anything wrong with it. but, it
seems like asus seems to be the go to motherboard. I don't hear nor see
many doing things on MSI motherboards. If I ever build or have a friend
do another PC for me, I'd go with the ASUS.. I'm unsure how good the
gigabyte company is, really I don't know how great the MSI / ASUS are
either.
“It has 10 usb 3.2 ports with varying speeds…” can you elaborate why speeds with the same standard are different?
Gen 1, gen 2 and gen 2x2. All are varying speeds between each generation.
Can't decide between Gigabyte Aorus Master and Asus Hero
Can anyone tell me, ANYONE!!! Why, WHY!!!! Do motherboard manufacturers give LESS PCIE slots for their 'better' boards??? I'm NOT going to sacrifice my cards to satisfy their desire to short change me so WTF is going on here???
i like the buildzoid reviews. its candid.
Well since ddr5 ram is basically a myth right now, a mirage you see on sites and the fact that I dont want to wait for it to become available again. TUF Gaming it is
For me it's the Temps when pushed and feature sets I want to see in videos
Good job my bro！
This was so good, motherboards are the most confusing things. Thank you so much!!
subbed man
Thanks dude! 😍🥰
i plan on going for the asus rog maximus z690 hero. i prefer the design of the hero over the extreme.
Just recently got the Crosshair X570 Extreme and now I want the Maximus!
To summarize: what’s the best DDR4 z690 ???
Hello, everyone !
Very good review !
I really like it !
excellent video! Aorus Mastar
I really want that Gigabyte Master.