Steam Deck Update - Valve Disappoints Gamers
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00:00 Intro
01:29 Valve Updates Refunds
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Thanks for the info- would like know more about Cryoutilities some saying you need to update it or do something because of the update to Steamdeck- Points are fun- I get stickers/backgrounds on occasion. For the Deck Filter you mentioned haha 400 games that is beginner numbers- must be new here lmao- I won't say my number but its large enough that people freak when they see my library and I have friends that have over double my own- 400 that's cute.
@@StReborn311 Haha I said the creator of Deckfilter has 400 games. I have 1772 🤦🏻♀
Hello,
Why don't you try to use those points to improve the chat, there are plenty of nice icons.
Otherwise, greetings from the middle of Europe
title misleading
@@FanTheDeck here i am just shy of 200 and i rarely see any reason to add to that recently. Not that good games aren't being released but i just have so many things to play through already.
Honestly the new update isnt that bad. They are trying to close a loophole that people have taken advantage of and playing a preorder early access for more than 2 hrs. It is a reasonable change.
Yeah that part itself seems incredibly reasonable.
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@@FanTheDeck Odd… I wouldn’t click that link.
Wait, it’s actually him, I watched the video. It’s early. 😆
@@ReveriePass Still a hekkin sus way to advertise it the link tho, given the history of scam bots xD
@@ReveriePass All you have to do is click the icon and you can see the account has 90k subs and was created 6 years ago, so its authentic.
This only really affects people abusing the return policy. Gamers in general should NOT buy early access.
I think that's a fair stance to have. For me personally, if I'm buying in Early Access it's because I really want to support the game even if it's not necessarily ready. But I also do this very rarely.
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@@FanTheDeck Yeah, finish your game before selling it!
@@Waifu4Life Well, it depends from studio size, if they needed funds etc., for example Hades was an Early Access and had a HUGE success and even though not finish, it was a decent product already on the "first" release
@@stefanorigato Ultrakill is also a great Early-Access game
@@DakkaNah2619 true, goated game
I never pay full retail price, I will literally wait till the game has an extremely good discount
I feel like Steam gamers are especially patient.
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same.
True. I find that the steam deck leans into the budget gamer and in current economy that's probably half of us lol and the budget gamer knows to wait for them sales
@@flywheelshyster6549 I got the steam deck for Christmas and honestly I’ve been using it a lot. I can get a bunch of indie games for like one or two dollars.
I do the same, but only for games that show hints of being badly optimised or buggy, or if the game lacks contents, but if a game is solid all around, I don't have a problem paying full price for it, but if it's unoptimised, buggy or lacking contents, then it's going on a deep discount before I buy.
Damn. The change was for the better and not just abusing advanced access. I think it is good since the refund policy is fair anyway, you cant just use a product and refund it after playing it completely.
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@@FanTheDeck thanks, I honestly liked the refund policy on valve. thats why i dont pay for other stores especially games that is published ln their own website. the refund policy makes sense and doesnt really hurt players who appreciate devs and their games.
On another note, im happy with my steam deck. Just had issues with decky loader showing a black screen error thing on 1/3 of the screen if you open it. Idk why but i cant fix it lol, im using beta both steam deck and decky loader build
@@silver_einherjar Yeah I'm often on Steam Deck Beta and even though Decky Loader has gotten much better it's my experience that if you have Steam Deck on Beta channel, it's a little too troublesome to have Decky Loader installed. I typically suggest picking one or the other, if that makes sense.
And thanks for the updated comment! That makes sense.
Completely agree, if you buy a game and get advanced access, you should not be able to return it before the official release if you played it enough. How hard is it to understand that if you play a game to completion, or say spend more than two or three hours in it, you likely were enjoying yourself and should have to pay for it?
I don't think that Valve's change in policy legitimizes advanced access in any way. If anything, it says, 'Access is access; no more free rides.'
Hey, thanks for the shout Rich!
You're welcome Bill
Triple AAA game industry will remove any and every kind of "feature" to make an extra buck by selling it back to you. They're going to start selling 4k textures, offline play, and resolution options as add-ons soon enough.
Do you think we'll start to see the number of days grow? "Play this game 15 days early for 50 more bucks"
@@FanTheDeck I mean we basically have "play this game a year early" already thanks to Epic 'exclusives', all they need to do is tack on the 50 bucks part
@@deltaangelfire alonzo_mourning.gif
Offline play will become a luxury 😢
Oh yes, options on the games’ Settings will one day be sold as separate DLC. We will get there eventually.. :D
It really is the gamers fault... just don't buy advance access, it is a s#itty practice to begin with
Seems sensible enough
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I'm confused, how is the change to the refund policy formalizing advanced access? Advanced access was already there, Valve doesn't control how or when companies give access to their games. If anything, this is Valve coming down against advanced access to close a loophole and make people realize that "advanced access" is just the release date of the game by making it count as normal playtime against the refund period timer.
Regarding Advanced Access as a trend:
Today, I got an email from Valve that one of the games on my wishlist has become available. I was initially excited, but remembered what happens when I buy games on release. I encounter many many bugs, all of which seemingly get patched later.
As a result, I am down on buying games on release, in general.
Buying games BEFORE release makes even less sense. To conclude, I do not see myself using this feature, ever.
Same same. Every time I've brought a game on release, its been bad news.... That said I'll probably get Ghost of Tsushima on release just because I trust that porting studio lol
Advanced Access was already there, its just now a lot clearer in the refund policy and store page. I don't really see a problem here. I think expecting Valve to police the entire game industry is just ridiculous.
I think the clarity important
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mesa 24.0.x does come with some performance improvements over 23.3.x if that's what steamos 3.5 is still on (can't find anywhere what version it is currently on though, I don't have a deck myself). The most notable change is in ray tracing performance (+ a major bump for certain OpenGL workloads but that's not that impactful these days) but there are some small perf improvements across the board.
Great video! I was wondering where did you get your yellow usb c cable? Thx
O.K., the "turn camera to face direction" function-combined with the "reset camera horizon-is actually a pretty nice addition. Being able to do this improves gyro functionality quite a bit and is really something that a good number of third-person console titles have had even prior to gyro aiming (I believe that this was a integrated into a number of PS2 titles), so the addition is overall quite welcome as there are more than a few titles that would benefit from this.
Off topic, but is there a way to save graphic settings for games? So for PC, I can run it at high, and when I switch to the deck, I can have them at say low. Then, when I switch between the two, the settings will be saved? It's my only gripe so far with it. It's a little annoying to have to keep trying to remember where I had the settings on each.
That's a game by game basis. Some games save that stuff locally, others via their save file, so it goes with the cloud save.
A year ago?
This started over a decade ago!
Guild Wars 2 and SWTOR both had 3 day advanced access when they launched in 11 and 12
I at least remember the Guild Wars 2 early access was for all pre-orders without having to pay anything extra.
@@chronossage that is possible..
I know swtor was only for the collector's edition
It seems Activision was offering 48 hour AA with CoD:AW preorders way back in 2014? Called it "Beta Access".
169 bucks for a power bank that’s steap man.
@ronsan89 steep*. You are right though, it's a bit on the expensive side.
My only problem i have with the EGS / EGL in Dead Island 2 is that anything else running in the background is eating up some of the resources. I also wonder if you don't log in, if the EGL in the background actually shuts down or if it keeps running in the background
I always go back to my Steam Deck every other month or so to beat some random game from my Backlog. Always nice to see you talk about an update!
Im really thinging about buying a used LED version Deck for (because of european pricing) 350$. Do you think it's worth it, or should I save up and buy an Oled version for 500$?
Never knew about ZRAM. Didn't know there was an alternative to the swap partition.
When you say turn the camera to face directly behind you do you mean that thing in Dynasty Warriors that I use all the time and I never use the joystick to manipulate the camera?
I think Breath of the Wild also has that ability. It is usually whatever button blocks in a video game.
Thanks for keeping us updated with deck news😊🔥Always quality content!
My pleasure as always Kiko!
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Honestly I consider the following the game to be play three days early to be a good thing.
Not because of the practice itself.
But because the customers that are sceptical or unsure will be able to see the full game unmartured by marketing speals nor cherry pickings.
And decide if they want it on release date or not.
So I have major reservations with "Advance Access" but I also was thinking about exactly what you said. It's interesting that the embargo usually lifts after this date so it almost democratizes reviews even further. Now you can post a Steam user review before a major publication can post their review
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is it close the new steam deck? My idea is to get one maybe next christmas or next summer....
Just subbed bro hope you hit that 100 k my brother God bless you and keep doing what your doing ❤
Thanks for keeping everyone updated on the steam deck updates! I usually will gloss over the update features log. Or sometimes I end up not knowing what the updates actually mean! Keep up the great work! 😊
Love your videos, thank you for the info!
Hi, I just got Steam Deck Oled yesterday and it won't connect to my wifi 6 router at all. Somebody please help.
Just subbed to help you out on your goal, good info all around I sure hope you reach it
I'm always interested in anything related to the Steam Deck, so it's win win
I can definitely see the potential in this for publishers delaying discounts/ales even longer.
I love how you can zoom in real close to Gabe's face and still know that it is him. LOL!
there is a problem now for some people where it says epic games online services , i have a friend who had to reinstall the game and verify integrity and still cant play online now for some reason, i hope valve makes a update. speaking of steamdeck i am still waiting on my one and its been 2 months to no avail
The main issue with pure swap is it lowers the lifespan of the SSD with all the writing that is done with swaping. There will also be less drive space since there needs to be some available for swaping.
Steam Deck is primarily single purpose device so I am not sure it makes sense to save up so much memory in order to do so many things at the same time or more quickly switch between programs like on more typical PC. So I could see it makes sense to just kill off the memory if it still takes too much space after compression.
Otherwise Valve has been great at offering configurations to the end user, so if people want to take up SSD space (and longevity) for swap they could choose to do so.
Dang, Lua is a throwback, haven’t heard of that language in years.
Back in high school my teacher wouldn’t let me use scratch for compsci since I was already so familiar with it, she asked me to find another language to learn, so I decided to learn lua to make a game for my PSP lol (writing code for ‘lua player’ being the easiest way to make PSP homebrew)
Valve needs to update the policy to take into account day 1 patches that significantly change the prelaunch game. Such as adding microtransactions or a change in DRM
As many have said, I was not aware of the "loophole" about refunding early access games. The change does not bother me. I can see a game going downhill and wanting to not play it anymore, but I think that is the chance you take when you buy into an early access title. If you want to be sure of what you are getting, you wait until 1.1.
This change feels fair.
I'm honestly of the opinion that thr refund policy should re-open whenever a game receives massive changes. I don't think it's reasonable to do so for every update, but at least whenever the monetization strategy is changed seems reasonable to me.
I'd also like to see an additional change to be similar to the Minecraft launcher where every single version of the game (more or less) that has ever been released is available to download and play. Maybe it doesn't work for some games and those games can opt-out similar to the family share program, but both seem like necessary changes to me.
Hey bro, loved the video, keep em coming. 😊
Love your videos and having Dead Island 2 on deck and running well is awesome.
I like your channel bro. Thanks for all the help and info.
Thank you so much for talking about my app ❤
that powerbank isn't a friend of airports lol, it straight up looks like a bomb
It's not a bad update. If you paid for early access, and you played it for 2 hours, you still played two hours. It makes sense to deny refunds at that point.
? This is not letting me down in anyway, props for valve for closing loopholes that only hurt devs.
I think a lot of folks are confusing advanced access (playing a finished game early) with early access (playing a game that's still in development). I'm not sure why advanced access would need a different policy from fully released games. It's still generous compared to some sellers.
Early access vs advanced access
Seems they eventually will mean the same...
Or is there a limit on advanced access?
18:28 masterful use of Tobias Fünke ❤
Thanks for the vid! Didn’t even know that you could play in advance and that not add to the 2hrs you get before you can get an instant refund but to each their own I guess. I am interested in seeing the difference in the gyro update tho, since the 3.6 update doesn’t look too promising.
Looking forward to getting my steam deck this week, in the military so its probably the best option rn
Preorder where can play a few days before
And no refund after release if played over 2 hours
Is bad for day 1 patch
What happened to official dual boot support?
Just getting into the Fallout games and now I’m wondering why I never got into them earlier
Massive issue that has not been solves is this: Before 6-7 months Valve updated the colors on the steam deck. Now me and many others have PWM issues that give us migraine.
The policy change does not affect me personally, never bought advanced access before and have no plans to do so. It's less about paying to play 3 days early but more having to wait 3 days if you don't shell out extra dollars
Still waiting on a update to fix my wifi problem
It wont connect to Huawei H158-381 5g CPE PRO 5 Router
Then WP3/WP2 are enabled
I start windows hotspot, and keep WPA3/WPA2 turned on
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I find it funny that here they're selling three-day early access for games when, if you own a nintendo switch you can get every single new title fourteen full days before release... Did I forget to say for free?
Melody! 😬😲
as long as you know that going in, that advance access will count as playtime, then if you don't like a game in early access, don't play it and get your money the same as if it were a final release. seems pretty fair
ETA: that basketball will hit your steamdecks and gear and scuff them up on the concrete/asphalt
They need to fix the wifi disconnect glitch and also the glitch with the kde wallet issue keep popping up
This reminds me of my experience with FarCry Primal on Steam Deck. Game works like a dream but every time the Uplay updates I need to put in password again and again....
Meta uses the same refund policy as Valve’s.
I play every shooter with Gyro on Steamdeck, anyone who isn't leveraging the precise and intuitive responsiveness of Gyro Aim is really missing out.
I dont have a problem with the refund change but i honestly always assumed it worked kind of that way but the timmer and two weeks started once the game was available for you to play.
The thing is: people buy a game, and get a premium before others are allowed to play, play access to the official release.
This is not even closing a loophole. You have played an official release game. You just paid extra that others get it to play later. It is the official release with a premium access.
If it was *early access*, then it is different, because early access is beta testing. But it isn't. It isn't a beta access, it is an official release access, and as such should be counted as such.
I think there should be a clear distinction between early/beta access and advanced access. Advanced access is just a gimmick that you could play that game before the "proletes" get access. It's a luxury/bragging gimmick.
As such, when I had money, I would do that for some developers... But then again, I have supported some indie developers on patreon just because their game rocks (for me) (like projectorgames)
In your opinion do you think the steam game compatibility for the steam deck is increasing at a acceptable rate?
I didn’t know you were a software dev. Your commentary on Balatro was my favorite part of this video.
I’m a regular viewer of ThePrimeagen, so hearing you talk about petulant back seat devs that care more about being negative than intelligent was fun.
I'll check that channel out! And yes exactly - a lot of backseat development. All too easy to fall into that trap
Ive only used the refund twice, both games where deck verified but where extremely hard to read and required extra input from a mouse -_-
Game prices haven't kept up with inflation; they should be closer to $150 USD by now. Until the game buying public can come to terms with that, they should expect things like advance access, battle passes and cosmetics from devs to make up the difference.
Wow that's so generous of you sir, thank you 😊
I honestly think if they are changing the refund policy for refunds on early access game then they need to increase the refund time on early access sometimes early access games get updated quick for fixes and sometimes they dont the refund time shouldnt be the same for early access
It's certainly something to think about. For me personally, if I'm buying in Early Access it's because I *really* want to support the game even if it's not necessarily ready. But I also do this very rarely.
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Ooo nice, that zram change sounds badass
I always wait for a sale.
Love your videos!
Idk if the offer is still valid but i would like to get some points to get the last startup Animation for my deck ^^
Early access has been a thing for a long time. Valve preventing people from abusing the returns doesn’t legitimize it any more than it already does bc it ALREADY EXISTS and would continue to exist even if they changed nothing. It just starts the refund clock earlier. Pretty stupid take
This policy update by Steam makes sense. The only people this impacts is people abusing the return policy.
Idm advanced access as a pre-order bonus. FFXIV has done it with all its major expansion releases, and it's never been an issue. _However_ , it needs to be for _all_ pre-orders, not just certain tiers
It used to be that if you wanted to purchase a software game, let the buyer beware. I can understand that if the program doesn't work or other technical issues, than issue a refund. But just because I didn't like the game, they will issue a refund. Perhaps people should be more careful when they purchase a new game.
I think Valve's refund policy is great for most games, but when we are talking about massive AAA games that are like 50+ hours of playtime, 2 hours isn't nearly enough to tell if you will like it. Def wanted to refund Red Dead 2 but I had 4 hours of 0 fun when I tried and they wouldnt let me.
I think the next-gen Fallout update has helped, I don’t like messing with that menu and now my Ultrawide is supported.
You can still buy Dredge, play for 1.5 hrs, and return it because its so short and has little replayability. Do this every month and you've beaten a very high quality but short title. I've been planning to do that for awhile but been smashing my backlog still.
About the advance Access of AAA games, now players can leave reviews about the game... so now is a double edge sword; they can play a few days early, but they can also leave reviews a few days early; so to the non-fomo players, it can be a fantastic help to decide whenever to buy or not the game.
Also, I'm over the FOMO, I think the last game I preordered was Persona 5 in its original release (a friend did want the bag... and she is still using it today XD)
Rich you're awesome and your content is great! love your presence in the NerdNest Podcast as well. Have a good one :)
Honestly, I understand the policy change.
Say I want SW: Outlaws. I pay $110 to get early access, play the thing for hours in early access. Day after release, under the old policy, I can refund the title, then buy it again for $70. I've used the real benefit to buying it early (early access) essentially for free. Steam really isn't losing out - they don't care that I played the game for three days for free; they still get a sale and make money. Steam is doing this to placate the game studios who want to have that early money and don't want to give away early access.
Legion Go or Steam deck?
The changes to Valves refund policy makes sense. I am super happy with their current policy.
Didn't know balatro was written in Lua. Dang, lua really is all over uh
I'm really looking forward to the May games! Only good games! Thanks, Gang!!
As for me I do buy the advanced early access for games. But for the fact that i takes me so long to download games due to how slow my internet connection is. It's becoming worse and worse, due to games beginning bigger and bigger it takes more than a day and a bit to download. Call of Duty and games like it take a long time to download. I can download about 100gb in a 24 hour period. And if a game is bigger than that. Than that's over an entire day of non stop downloading.
That's why i buy the advanced access version, just so I can have a chance to download the game day 1.
So that refund policy update doesn't affect me at all. Preordering is an inadvisable practice in the first place. EDIT: Don't know it could be construed that this policy change normalizes advance access - advance access already existed.
Nice video man
All they changed was closing a loophole people would abuse.
Tbh if you are going to buy a game, finish said game, then refund that game you honestly may as well just pirate the game and save valve the hasle of moving the money around.
In my eyes it only makes early access a bit less attractive. If the returns are somehow visible it might also help revealing stinkers before they launch, too. I never preordered since brink back in the day, so i'm not affected by this change.
I can see that
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Another problem with buying games early would be the devs breaking steam deck/ Linux compatibility
For anyone using Cryoutilities, remember to restore your configurations to default before updating to SteamOS 3.6, do this to not have any swap files lost on your driver and using space.
Also, the EGS launcher on the game is probably because of cross saving and crossplay between stores. Steamworks don't support that feature, so people shouldn't be upset about the devs using a better tool than what tool Valve gives
I have never payed extra to get a game a few days early. I’m honestly surprised it’s starting to become so normalized that people are abusing the system. I think Valve did a good update to the policy.
The only way I will be playing a game in early access is if it is a demo or free.