This just goes to show how much of the Sonic scene is made up of newbie boomers. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Y'all brats dont remember SNEO....
Lmao jokes aside, this info about the E3 beta is super interesting! It's always fun to learn about the early development and builds of Adventure, and when I think I know a lot, it turns out there's more to learn haha. Think my favorite part about this demo was seeing that citizen dialogue where the kid acknowledged Sonic's previous adventures concerning Little Planet and Angel Island.
Deion Lilly It’s actually funny how Station Square seems to know all about Sonic, his friends, Eggman, and their adventures, but the archaeologists in the Mystic Ruins apparently don’t even listen to the radio for all that they know. What a bunch of cavemen. … Y’ know, because they’re archaeologists and thus are likely to spend a lot of time in caves…
Sonic was supposed to be a global hero who's irreverent to authority and is fine being alone while also an idol to children around Earth. Eggman was supposed to be a well-feared/hated terrorist. Both are in the Technical Files: sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Technical_Files
"The voice clips in the E3 demo are different, just listen to knuckles when he punches and digs." "I hear no difference?" "Adventure DX uses these clips." "Oh..."
NC: This is the worst line that nobody should ever have to see! NC: (voiceover): It's awful! It's terrible! It's... it's...! NC: It's so bad, I am forced to make up a word to describe how bad it is. This line is... is... horribufuckus. It is the most "horribufuckus" line I have ever seen in my entire life. Okay, like I said, these lines aren't the masterpieces we remember them to be. But it's best not to look at them as lines, but more as... a homework assignment. Make a lines about four mutated turtles in their late teens who are named after Renaissance painters, led around by a giant rat, know ninjitsu, eat pizza, dress up like flashers, fight a guy who's named after a cheese grater... and make it plausible. And you know what? With the exception of the last lines, I'd probably give this project an A... minus, but still an A. I'm the Nostalgia Critic, I remember it so you don't have to.
*knuckles* : it's no use? Oh no! I must find da wae fast! Aha! eggman! I'm going to make you eat those words! Unlike sonic I don't- *Sonic* : enough! We get it, you're funny!
I'm blown away that this is where it came from. Maybe I'm assuming but it sounds EXACTLY like when you hit him in the Knuckles boss fight so I am assuming they just cut that line in. I feel like I just learned one of the secrets of the universe.
Wako Doodle He most likely borrowed some of that sexy Master Emerald juice to do so, but that just further exemplifies how much better the old days were. Stuff actually happened, and it happened all around.
9:45 So that's why Knuckles's "oh no" was memed to oblivion, this somehow found its way into the final. Unless that also ended up on the DX rerelease like with the other characters.
Alan Bareiro And the Mystic Ruins archaeologists hardly know anything about Angel Island or even Tails, while in Station Square even Knuckles is a celebrity to children. It’s like those ruin hunters don’t watch, read or even listen to the news, like, ever.
@Carbon Roller Caco Knuckles attended races (Sonic Drift and Sonic R) and took part in the fighting tournament Sonic and Co. all took part in (Sonic the Fighters) to be worthy of stopping Eggman. With that in mind, the denizens of Station Square can certainly recognize Knuckles without really knowing about his duties as guardian.
Galten That doesn’t explain how they knew about Angel Island at all. News choppers certainly would. Which would make canonizing the side games unnecessary.
@Carbon Roller Caco How wouldn't they know about it? Angel Island was introduced as a mythical island meaning it'd be known but be treated as mythical ala Camelot. Sonic 3 established that Angel Island broke off of a continent (and at least had contact with humans in the past going from Sandoplis' hieroglyphics) while Adventure's lore says that the Echidnas were warring on other countries 3000 years ago (meaning they'd be a known element on Sonic Earth).
Galten The kid specifically references Sonic’s involvement with Angel Island. That’s why I brought up news choppers. It’s not hard to imagine Angel Island initially landing within sight of Station Square even though we never see the mainland in S3&K. Either the Chaos Emeralds disappearing from their original altar in a flash (which could’ve set up Sonic 1’s events as the flash knocked out Knuckles before he noticed the Death Egg or that Angel Island had fallen, so it could’ve occured before Sonic 1 despite being first mentioned in the JP Sonic 3 manual) or the Death Egg’s crash itself could’ve caused the island to land off-origin.
Honestly i think E3 knuckles is better, i think all they did for DX was change some voice clips, remake the lighting engine, change the models to a higher poly and upscale the textures.
They remade the lighting engine in a way that's perfectly capable of colored lighting and then didn't use any colored lighting when the original used it EVERYWHERE. The updated character models do not fit the rest of the models in the game. They removed most of the transparent textures and literally deforested Angel Island instead of fixing the transparency issues. It's a disaster port.
They also changed a TON of textures for seemingly no reason. I wonder if they were different in one of the early builds or all custom-made for the DX gamecube version?
I like the released version better. He sounds air headed, but not entirely stupid (if that makes any sense). The released version sounds more innocent, slightly short-tempered, but still calm and cool when need be. He’s immature. Make of that what you will, but for a character who’s canonically 16 years old, I find. It fitting.
Knuckles' E3 voice gives me a completely different version of Knuckles than what I'm used to. Like this Knuckles is more serious and focused on his mission and is no nonsense. And Knuckles in this game was kind of already like that.
@@deanmoriarty6015 Makes it more interesting to think about it that way, despite it obviously not being true. Knuckles' Chaotix also had a feature like that, and up untill recently, Sonic CD and Knuckles' Chaotix were both considered around the same level of obscurity.
9:44 so the line that created the "ho no" meme, came from the knuckles story, I always think that this line was recorded for the fight against sonic or tails
@@Tony6Shot I'd say that it was simply overlooked during the final recording process. Whoever wrote the English scripts probably forgot to include a line for the fight. When the final dialog was being applied to the game, the programmers realized this, and simply used whatever would fit.
I think one of the craziest things here is that Ryan Drummond did a few Knuckles lines and he ended up voicing Knuckles in Sonic Shuffle, something that’s still really bizarre.
"Allowed" to play? Doesn't sound like it'd stop you, speeps. Also, that prototype Super Sonic voice clip on the character select sounds like they recorded the voice actor using the bathroom.
I have no idea why they changed Knuckles' voice lines in the cutscenes. It sounds BETTER than the final release, and really captures the "feel" of the character better.
I'm assuming because it seems like this is Ryan Drummond voicing Knuckles and they wanted a separate voice for Knuckles in the end instead of Ryan doing both Knuckles and Sonic?
Probably was easier to just make the content inaccessible then remove it from the disc and risk messing something up. As a beginner game developer, i think that's a safe bet. One thing deleted could have side effects in some places
Back in the day devs used to just put the game on the disc then edit it for easier publishing, instead of making an entirely separate version just for the demo.
@@lemonadesnake idk how true what I'm about to say is but I've heard in Team Fortress 2, in the files is a .jpg that is simply a picture of a coconut that isn't seen anywhere in the game. When said .jpg was deleted something important prevented the game from working properly or even starting at all, so the picture of a coconut just stays there in the files since it doesn't really matter if something so small is in there.
The e3 trial version... i played this soooooooo much in toys r us on the build up to its release.... such great times i would jump on the bus and go all the way to the store as a young teenager just to play this
That voice thing was wild in the context of someone who's only played the DX version. I honestly didn't think they were different at all and then you explained and I learned something new today lol
I played the Dreamcast version of SA1 for the first time a few years ago after having SADX for over a decade and Knuckles' digging line has bothered me since (but I like both), so this finally gave me closure. Never noticed the punching sounds though.
Fun Fact: Knuckles was originally voiced by Ryan Drummond (the voice actor of Sonic) later he was recasted by Michael McGaharn, However 1 year later Ryan voiced Knuckles in Sonic Shuffle
Interesting video. It’s fascinating to see how different knuckles sounded or how depressing the NPC’s were. If I’m honest, I kinda wish they kept the old voice Michael McGaharn did in a few lines, with a few re-takes.
Yeah with just hearing this I can tell they did put a lot of emotion in voicing the character. Also, it's official Ryan Drummond is my favourite voice actor for Sonic from the games and if the Adventure remake rumours turn out to be true they should bring him back cause I'd love to hear him voicing Sonic once more and with better voice direction.
@@tomasgomeziglesias6769 They tried to bring Ryan back for Generations and he declined because he didn't like SEGA's offer; it'd likely be the same if they tried with a remake.
Ooh, always interesting to see what things are hidden in early versions. This video refreshed my memory of some stuff I already knew, as well as show me stuff I'd never seen before. Fascinating as always. I do wish that kid that referenced Sonic's past adventures wasn't changed in the final game though, I thought it was a nice touch. Thanks for the upload! 😊
Thanks so much for making these videos, SPEEPS. I feel like I know so much about the Adventure games but then you suprise me over and over again with all this content. I always look forward to watching your videos!
Sonic Adventure being my personal favorite Sonic game, I gotta say, for a "demo," that's A LOT of unlockable stuff to do! I mean the demo spoils not only ALL the stages and sub games, but even the hidden items the characters wear in the game too. Hell, I'm surprised they didn't spoil the bosses lol
I know that I wouldn’t have felt this way if his E3 voice stayed in the final release, but I’m honestly glad Knuckles’ lines were re-recorded. His line delivery sounds better (even if that doesn’t say very much) and he sounds much more fun and kid-friendly. I still think his voice acting in SA2 and Heroes easily surpasses both SA1 voices, though.
Is this also where Sonic’s DX “Go!” came from? You didn’t show that. Also, that Little Planet reference makes Sonic CD sound recent, but Amy was said to be 8 then instead of 12, plus she calls her time with Sonic in the past “the old days” of “fighting bad guys” as if she’d used to be a sidekick to Sonic then. Man, even Sonic _background_ characters have a weird sense of time.
Xane Myers Yep. It was unusually mild in the DC version compared to the higher, more forceful delivery in DX (and Shuffle). With the other changed clips, I prefer the DC versions, though Tails’s E3/DX flight grunt could easily work for his tail whipping (and is, indeed, used as such in Shuffle).
Sonic isn't 18+ years old in Sonic Adventure. He's in his mid teens like in the Classic games. Meaning that the age changes are just retcons (in Amy's case, remaking her design so she looks more attractive) and don't reflect time passing. And none of that "old days" is in the JP dialogue.
Galten I mean that _everyone_ would’ve had to have been 4 years younger in CD. It’s not out of the question-Sonic and Eggman had already been at each other several times before Sonic 1 according to that game’s JP manual, and CD’s JP manual makes no mention of Sonic’s age. Though I am now curious as to what JP Amy said at the beginning of her SA1 story.
Sonic Jam's bios call Sonic (and Knuckles) a mid-teen. Sonic in the Genesis games being younger is just a retcon introduced in Generations (which also retconned his characterization).
I played a demo version on a kiosk less than a year ago, it was a compilation of several demos, it also had the comming soon screen. Sonic was the only playable character and emerald coast was the only playable stage.
Sonic CD is referenced in the final product. Amy's opening with her flashback remembering "the good old days" is supposed to be her getting rescued by Sonic during that game's events. Even though Sonic rescued her after Metal was defeated and wasn't chasing after them.
@@robonaught Yeah, although it was mostly metal sonic free. Granted metal appears in eggman's base so it isn't entirely forgotten but it's funny to think; for a long period sega themselves forgot one of the most popular villians of sonic history. Then again, they were probably still working on "Evil Sonic" which eventually got the name "Shadow The Hedgehog"; a much better name ofc, but it was funny to see him called "Evil Sonic" on their site during the early days :)
@@WakoDoodle Actually in Amy's flashback Metal Sonic is shown chasing after her and Sonic (even though Metal had already been damaged by smashing into that wall and the giant laser) so Metal in Eggman's base is not the only time he appears. Not counting his unlockable playable version of Trial mode in the DX version.
SonicFanatic67 Maybe to not confuse those who hadn’t played CD, or maybe to undo or hide the localization change with CD that called Amy “Sally” as a SatAM tie-in.
Man the surrender yourself and come out line sounds really cool, imagine a creature like Chaos slowly emerging from the shadows or melting out from behind something. And I never noticed how noble Knuckles beta voice sounds, i actually quite like it.
That's so strange that SADX uses E3 sounds for almost every character. It seems like every day we're learning more and more about what a fucking disaster of a port it was.
12:07 Knuckles:All right! Put 'em up! Sonic:Why my voice has been copied by Knuckles? Knuckles:That's actually just placeholder, which changed in final version.
And here I thought Ryan Drummond as Knuckles was something exclusive to Sonic Shuffle. I guess this explains why he was used there instead of the final's VA.
Nah, even in the E3 Demo, it was still Michael McGaharn, he just rerecorded his lines for the final release. Ryan Drummond as Knuckles is still a Shuffle exclusive.
@@sonicvsmariorandom Yeah. McGaharn did a deeper take on Knuckles' voice for the demo, but they were rerecorded for the final. If you listen closely to the Shuffle voice, you can CLEARLY tell that Sonic and Knuckles are voiced by the same guy. If you listen closely to E3 and Final Knuckles, you can tell it's the same guy with different direction.
@@DarktheEagle According to the video only two of Knucles' lines were voiced by Ryan Drummond in the E3 while the rest of his lines were voiced by Michael McGaharn.
@@tomasgomeziglesias6769 Yeah, but those lines are from Sonic and are likely incorrectly placed there, much like the unfinished English dub, with bits of Japanese.
3:38 in DX (idk about dreamcast) here sonic says "options, choose the feature that you want to edit", here has a completely different dialogue by the announcer woman
Sometimes his voice sound better when he's screaming and react , but sometimes in a normal way he just sounds like Batman , sounds like the voice actor was out script
9:43 My heart kinda stopped. I was clearly thinking "Goodness, this performance from Knuckles is super Wooden. I can almost see where the hell that 'oh no' meme line from the boss fight came fr-" and then it happened and I lost my goddamned mind.
The haunting commentary on life as an everyday NPC in a universe full of anthropomorphic animal people is what makes SA a game. That is remembered. By some people.
Me too i really love this game with the music putted in the game the video tells many the hidden items and so intresting i really love the game and sonic x anime just what happened in the plot of the game and music
This is really interesting! Thanks for taking the time to compile all this. Question: you alluded to Limited Edition having an early version of the localization as well; are there any sources that detail that? That's the version I played as a kid and I'd love to know the ways it differs from the retail build.
I wasn’t sure if the mouth movements were a little stranger than in the game or if I was imagining things until I got to 14:25 and saw Sonic FREAK THE FUCK OUT when saying a simple sentence. this video is fascinating
This is a great video and shows how much has changed from the Demo but when I heard Knuckles say "Oh No!" the only thing I could say was, "I finally found that voice clip, after hearing so many youtubers use it when talking about Knuckles!". Sorry, but I still enjoyed the video
14:05 I swear Knuckles always did the drowning sound in that cutscene. Don't know if that's version specific though. I have played both DX and Dreamcast so maybe that's another thing that got through on DX again.
Huh, Knuckles' dialogue is actually properly localized in this version, no weird overelaborating or silly verbal grammar errors. I wonder why they were all redone..?
Knuckles: “It’s no use. It’s no use. It’s no use. It’s no use.”
Silver: “I feel a disturbance.”
Little did we all know, Knuckles was the original "it's no use". Silver was the one who turned it into a meme.
As if a million boss fights glitched out at once in terror.
This just goes to show how much of the Sonic scene is made up of newbie boomers. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Y'all brats dont remember SNEO....
Ninetails2000 I feel like I’ve heard all the Sonic games and I’ve never heard of SNEO. What is that?
@@DataDigi151 Look up Sneo by Passcety and it'll become abundantly clear.
"Sonic and Tails are sleeping together"
Dammit, even the citizens in Station Square are writing their own fanfics
Lmao jokes aside, this info about the E3 beta is super interesting! It's always fun to learn about the early development and builds of Adventure, and when I think I know a lot, it turns out there's more to learn haha.
Think my favorite part about this demo was seeing that citizen dialogue where the kid acknowledged Sonic's previous adventures concerning Little Planet and Angel Island.
Deion Lilly It’s actually funny how Station Square seems to know all about Sonic, his friends, Eggman, and their adventures, but the archaeologists in the Mystic Ruins apparently don’t even listen to the radio for all that they know. What a bunch of cavemen. … Y’ know, because they’re archaeologists and thus are likely to spend a lot of time in caves…
I'm sorry, but this is a kids game. XD
Cough
*FAN-FIC COUGH*
Sonic was supposed to be a global hero who's irreverent to authority and is fine being alone while also an idol to children around Earth. Eggman was supposed to be a well-feared/hated terrorist. Both are in the Technical Files:
sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Technical_Files
"The voice clips in the E3 demo are different, just listen to knuckles when he punches and digs."
"I hear no difference?"
"Adventure DX uses these clips."
"Oh..."
Hello kirb
I'm so angry right now :(
@@charlie4christ536 Sonic could kick god's butt 6 ways to Sunday, then rest on the sabbath. Get rekt.
Another reason why sonic adventure dx is a bad port
me growing up with DX LMAO. i should emulate sa1 some time. see how different it is to what i grew up on
"Depress longer, you can jump longer and higher" I wish this was the case, little dude. I wish this was the case.
If that advice worked in actual life, some of us could be able to go full Boom Knuckles glitch and leave this star system...
*sobbing* Oh my god, It's so terrible! IT'S SO TERRIBLE!! *looniness ensues* *wailing*
😠😆
NC: This is the worst line that nobody should ever have to see!
NC: (voiceover): It's awful! It's terrible! It's... it's...!
NC: It's so bad, I am forced to make up a word to describe how bad it is. This line is... is... horribufuckus. It is the most "horribufuckus" line I have ever seen in my entire life. Okay, like I said, these lines aren't the masterpieces we remember them to be. But it's best not to look at them as lines, but more as... a homework assignment. Make a lines about four mutated turtles in their late teens who are named after Renaissance painters, led around by a giant rat, know ninjitsu, eat pizza, dress up like flashers, fight a guy who's named after a cheese grater... and make it plausible. And you know what? With the exception of the last lines, I'd probably give this project an A... minus, but still an A. I'm the Nostalgia Critic, I remember it so you don't have to.
@@_space_cat_ They would've still died, though.
“Sonic and tails are sleeping together” made me audibly laugh
The way it's presented makes it feel like there's a chain of gossip in Station Square.
Timestamp please
@@zacariasvelazquez8400 10:58
@@polocatfan I don't know how canon an e3 demo is man
@@polocatfan They're 15 and 8. FBI, we got em.
So actually knuckles started the "it's no use". Who knew?
I like to think Metal Sonic started it in the theme for Metallic Madness Bad Future
Or Eggman.
Both say it in this game.
That makes Silver the third one to use that line
He also copied or started Eggman’s “No way”
*knuckles* : it's no use? Oh no! I must find da wae fast! Aha! eggman! I'm going to make you eat those words! Unlike sonic I don't-
*Sonic* : enough! We get it, you're funny!
Low pay, hard labor.
*I question my life.*
Most relatable line in the entire video.
In the final release the train works go on a strike during all campaings.
I felt that
That's what capitalism does to you...
@Sneaky Snek :'(
"The sea won't reject me."- Man who was rejected by the stars.
Balan Wonderworld vibes
"You stupid stars!!"
9:44 He did it! He said the thing!
Oh no!
Say the line, Knuckles!
"OHNO."
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
I'm blown away that this is where it came from. Maybe I'm assuming but it sounds EXACTLY like when you hit him in the Knuckles boss fight so I am assuming they just cut that line in.
I feel like I just learned one of the secrets of the universe.
This Knuckles voice sounds like what Knuckles thinks he sounds like in his head
Japanese?
That's the best description I've heard.
I miss this knuckles. The same guy who punched the super out of sonic, on his first appearance!
Wako Doodle He most likely borrowed some of that sexy Master Emerald juice to do so, but that just further exemplifies how much better the old days were. Stuff actually happened, and it happened all around.
Still wondering why they had to re-record them? Knuckles here sounds more serious about finding the master emerald pieces
9:45 So that's why Knuckles's "oh no" was memed to oblivion, this somehow found its way into the final. Unless that also ended up on the DX rerelease like with the other characters.
it got used for the boss fight against Knuckles in Sonic's story.
9:44
oh no
@@ClexYoshi give it your best shot is also e3 material shown here and used in the final game
That kid knows his Sonic lore!
I like how Adventure has these little nods to the classic games!
Alan Bareiro And the Mystic Ruins archaeologists hardly know anything about Angel Island or even Tails, while in Station Square even Knuckles is a celebrity to children. It’s like those ruin hunters don’t watch, read or even listen to the news, like, ever.
@Carbon Roller Caco Knuckles attended races (Sonic Drift and Sonic R) and took part in the fighting tournament Sonic and Co. all took part in (Sonic the Fighters) to be worthy of stopping Eggman. With that in mind, the denizens of Station Square can certainly recognize Knuckles without really knowing about his duties as guardian.
Galten That doesn’t explain how they knew about Angel Island at all. News choppers certainly would. Which would make canonizing the side games unnecessary.
@Carbon Roller Caco How wouldn't they know about it? Angel Island was introduced as a mythical island meaning it'd be known but be treated as mythical ala Camelot. Sonic 3 established that Angel Island broke off of a continent (and at least had contact with humans in the past going from Sandoplis' hieroglyphics) while Adventure's lore says that the Echidnas were warring on other countries 3000 years ago (meaning they'd be a known element on Sonic Earth).
Galten The kid specifically references Sonic’s involvement with Angel Island. That’s why I brought up news choppers. It’s not hard to imagine Angel Island initially landing within sight of Station Square even though we never see the mainland in S3&K. Either the Chaos Emeralds disappearing from their original altar in a flash (which could’ve set up Sonic 1’s events as the flash knocked out Knuckles before he noticed the Death Egg or that Angel Island had fallen, so it could’ve occured before Sonic 1 despite being first mentioned in the JP Sonic 3 manual) or the Death Egg’s crash itself could’ve caused the island to land off-origin.
The fact that DX has E3 Knuckles' voice clips shows how early of a build they must have been given. Explains the other...issues in the port.
Honestly i think E3 knuckles is better, i think all they did for DX was change some voice clips, remake the lighting engine, change the models to a higher poly and upscale the textures.
@@efeloteishe4675 more like downscale the textures
They remade the lighting engine in a way that's perfectly capable of colored lighting and then didn't use any colored lighting when the original used it EVERYWHERE. The updated character models do not fit the rest of the models in the game. They removed most of the transparent textures and literally deforested Angel Island instead of fixing the transparency issues. It's a disaster port.
They also changed a TON of textures for seemingly no reason. I wonder if they were different in one of the early builds or all custom-made for the DX gamecube version?
Proto Knuckles sounds like a normal human being, and not a robot. I like it.
He talks faster, it sounds more natural, and it lines up with Knuckles' personality better. I really like it.
I like the released version better. He sounds air headed, but not entirely stupid (if that makes any sense). The released version sounds more innocent, slightly short-tempered, but still calm and cool when need be. He’s immature. Make of that what you will, but for a character who’s canonically 16 years old, I find. It fitting.
It does sound significantly better... Wonder what happened to make them change the voice direction.
@@lazyladytired shadow the hedgehog happend
@@Reaga_artzshadow literally didn't exist in 1998.
Knuckles' E3 voice gives me a completely different version of Knuckles than what I'm used to. Like this Knuckles is more serious and focused on his mission and is no nonsense. And Knuckles in this game was kind of already like that.
9:46 Without the Master Emerald's power, this whole island will fall into the ocean! on the next episode of Sonic Adventure E3
-JoJo music starts playing-
The E3 Dialogue is a lot more clear sounding than the final game’s. Ain’t that weird.
That reset after 2 minutes is totally a nod to "I'm outta here!"
Maybe. Or because it's a E3 demo and it could've been done due to people playing it there and leaving :)
Yeah I think that's just a feature incase somebody leaves the game running, so the next person who shows up can start a game
that’s such a reach
@@deanmoriarty6015 Makes it more interesting to think about it that way, despite it obviously not being true. Knuckles' Chaotix also had a feature like that, and up untill recently, Sonic CD and Knuckles' Chaotix were both considered around the same level of obscurity.
Bruh
9:44 so the line that created the "ho no" meme, came from the knuckles story, I always think that this line was recorded for the fight against sonic or tails
Makes me wonder why they cut out that snippet of the line to repurpose it at all.
@@Tony6Shot I'd say that it was simply overlooked during the final recording process. Whoever wrote the English scripts probably forgot to include a line for the fight. When the final dialog was being applied to the game, the programmers realized this, and simply used whatever would fit.
They clearly took this “oh no” and just put it in the fight against sonic and tails
True
9:18 STOP FILLING THE AIR WITH WATEARISIBLBBUHB
IT'S MY ENEMY STAND
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I think one of the craziest things here is that Ryan Drummond did a few Knuckles lines and he ended up voicing Knuckles in Sonic Shuffle, something that’s still really bizarre.
The way Knuckles says "Chaos?" after Eggman calls it has such a creeped out tone to it, i like it quite alot
"Allowed" to play? Doesn't sound like it'd stop you, speeps.
Also, that prototype Super Sonic voice clip on the character select sounds like they recorded the voice actor using the bathroom.
Usually E3 demos will boot players out by time limit or by significantly shortening stages
Knuckles sounds different nearly every time
TheSegaDude2007 it’s almost like the sonic x knuckles voice
@@truthful_liar13 is this a new ship or something ?
@@kirillassasin oh no...
@@kirillassasin
it's been around for a while. >:)
I have no idea why they changed Knuckles' voice lines in the cutscenes. It sounds BETTER than the final release, and really captures the "feel" of the character better.
I'm assuming because it seems like this is Ryan Drummond voicing Knuckles and they wanted a separate voice for Knuckles in the end instead of Ryan doing both Knuckles and Sonic?
I wonder why they even went to the trouble of burning all of this content to the E3 discs if they were never meant to be accessed
Probably was easier to just make the content inaccessible then remove it from the disc and risk messing something up. As a beginner game developer, i think that's a safe bet. One thing deleted could have side effects in some places
Back in the day devs used to just put the game on the disc then edit it for easier publishing, instead of making an entirely separate version just for the demo.
@@lemonadesnake idk how true what I'm about to say is but I've heard in Team Fortress 2, in the files is a .jpg that is simply a picture of a coconut that isn't seen anywhere in the game. When said .jpg was deleted something important prevented the game from working properly or even starting at all, so the picture of a coconut just stays there in the files since it doesn't really matter if something so small is in there.
The e3 trial version... i played this soooooooo much in toys r us on the build up to its release.... such great times i would jump on the bus and go all the way to the store as a young teenager just to play this
wholesome
That voice thing was wild in the context of someone who's only played the DX version. I honestly didn't think they were different at all and then you explained and I learned something new today lol
big same. only played DX since 2003 and I never knew the voice clips are different lol
I played the Dreamcast version of SA1 for the first time a few years ago after having SADX for over a decade and Knuckles' digging line has bothered me since (but I like both), so this finally gave me closure. Never noticed the punching sounds though.
Why did they re-record knuckle’s lines? A lot of them sound a lot better than the final release
I really like the E3 knuckles voice. It fits his hardcore personality. (I know but I do like his gruffness)
Fun Fact: Knuckles was originally voiced by Ryan Drummond (the voice actor of Sonic) later he was recasted by Michael McGaharn, However 1 year later Ryan voiced Knuckles in Sonic Shuffle
06:45 - Now that's one smiley Sonic!
"Yay, my best friend is about to crash a plane and fucking die!"
6:54 I think the text's something that Sonic's saying, and as such not mis-gendering sonic.
Interesting video. It’s fascinating to see how different knuckles sounded or how depressing the NPC’s were. If I’m honest, I kinda wish they kept the old voice Michael McGaharn did in a few lines, with a few re-takes.
Now I want the true English voices, they sound more cool and expresive :( dammit DX...
Also omg those NPC Are they ok? XD
Yeah with just hearing this I can tell they did put a lot of emotion in voicing the character.
Also, it's official Ryan Drummond is my favourite voice actor for Sonic from the games and if the Adventure remake rumours turn out to be true they should bring him back cause I'd love to hear him voicing Sonic once more and with better voice direction.
@@tomasgomeziglesias6769 They tried to bring Ryan back for Generations and he declined because he didn't like SEGA's offer; it'd likely be the same if they tried with a remake.
@@ALinkttF I thought it was because Ryan is in a union and Sega didn't want to pay him so much money.
@@austinreavis4226 That is what happened.
@@AizakkuAnalysis Oh ok
My favorite Sonic game:
"Cinos Erutnevda"
Sounds Spanish. Erutnovenda.
2:43 The anthem of Silver!
Isn’t this demo where Knuckles’ “Oh no” came from?
Edit: It is, at 9:44
Proto-Knuckles sounds like he's trying to be some kind of dramatic superman or something.
Also, good to see you're still alive.
At times it's a bit too dramatic, but overall I like it a little more than the final version. The faster speech sounds more natural.
Huh! Watch out. You're gonna crash. Aah!
D:
:D
10:57 no comment
😅
Well, I always new something about that, that’s why he is afraid of Amy
Ooh, always interesting to see what things are hidden in early versions. This video refreshed my memory of some stuff I already knew, as well as show me stuff I'd never seen before. Fascinating as always. I do wish that kid that referenced Sonic's past adventures wasn't changed in the final game though, I thought it was a nice touch.
Thanks for the upload! 😊
Thanks so much for making these videos, SPEEPS. I feel like I know so much about the Adventure games but then you suprise me over and over again with all this content. I always look forward to watching your videos!
Yo why does Knux sound like a really chill guy in the E3 version 😂?
Sonic Adventure being my personal favorite Sonic game, I gotta say, for a "demo," that's A LOT of unlockable stuff to do! I mean the demo spoils not only ALL the stages and sub games, but even the hidden items the characters wear in the game too. Hell, I'm surprised they didn't spoil the bosses lol
I know that I wouldn’t have felt this way if his E3 voice stayed in the final release, but I’m honestly glad Knuckles’ lines were re-recorded. His line delivery sounds better (even if that doesn’t say very much) and he sounds much more fun and kid-friendly. I still think his voice acting in SA2 and Heroes easily surpasses both SA1 voices, though.
Didn't know that DX uses sounds from E3
Same. I think the E3/DX Knuckles SFX sound better tbh
Same
Yeah even if it sounds good they still messed up
Not only knuckles sfx sound but also sonic's spin dash
When this came out I was blown away by it.
Nothing looked as good anywhere on any device.
Is this also where Sonic’s DX “Go!” came from? You didn’t show that.
Also, that Little Planet reference makes Sonic CD sound recent, but Amy was said to be 8 then instead of 12, plus she calls her time with Sonic in the past “the old days” of “fighting bad guys” as if she’d used to be a sidekick to Sonic then. Man, even Sonic _background_ characters have a weird sense of time.
Was that voice sample different in the Dreamcast original? I only played SADX.
Xane Myers Yep. It was unusually mild in the DC version compared to the higher, more forceful delivery in DX (and Shuffle). With the other changed clips, I prefer the DC versions, though Tails’s E3/DX flight grunt could easily work for his tail whipping (and is, indeed, used as such in Shuffle).
Sonic isn't 18+ years old in Sonic Adventure. He's in his mid teens like in the Classic games. Meaning that the age changes are just retcons (in Amy's case, remaking her design so she looks more attractive) and don't reflect time passing. And none of that "old days" is in the JP dialogue.
Galten I mean that _everyone_ would’ve had to have been 4 years younger in CD. It’s not out of the question-Sonic and Eggman had already been at each other several times before Sonic 1 according to that game’s JP manual, and CD’s JP manual makes no mention of Sonic’s age. Though I am now curious as to what JP Amy said at the beginning of her SA1 story.
Sonic Jam's bios call Sonic (and Knuckles) a mid-teen. Sonic in the Genesis games being younger is just a retcon introduced in Generations (which also retconned his characterization).
Proto Knuckles' story intro cutscene, right before the island sinks, is the introduction of the infamous "ohno" soundbyte
The fact that it's been e3 knuckles voice in the dx version of this game the whole time blows my mind
Whoooaaah. So all this time I was playing SADX I was hearing sounclips from the E3 Demo! Interesting!
10:38 - A.M. from "I have no mouth and I must scream" approves it
amazingly the cut knuckles VO sounds more natural in some areas
9:44 - He said it! He said the meme!
"The voices clip often, and subs can differ."
So it's SA2?
I played a demo version on a kiosk less than a year ago, it was a compilation of several demos, it also had the comming soon screen. Sonic was the only playable character and emerald coast was the only playable stage.
funny how they removed mention of sonic cd, only to years later heavilly reference it and make a sequel (episode metal).
Sonic CD is referenced in the final product. Amy's opening with her flashback remembering "the good old days" is supposed to be her getting rescued by Sonic during that game's events. Even though Sonic rescued her after Metal was defeated and wasn't chasing after them.
@@robonaught Yeah, although it was mostly metal sonic free. Granted metal appears in eggman's base so it isn't entirely forgotten but it's funny to think; for a long period sega themselves forgot one of the most popular villians of sonic history.
Then again, they were probably still working on "Evil Sonic" which eventually got the name "Shadow The Hedgehog"; a much better name ofc, but it was funny to see him called "Evil Sonic" on their site during the early days :)
@@WakoDoodle Actually in Amy's flashback Metal Sonic is shown chasing after her and Sonic (even though Metal had already been damaged by smashing into that wall and the giant laser) so Metal in Eggman's base is not the only time he appears. Not counting his unlockable playable version of Trial mode in the DX version.
8:04 that’s actually really cool! I really wish they didn’t cut that, that would’ve been such a cool reference!
It was removed in the localization,the Japanese version has the girl mention it.
Aryan Descendant that’s cool! I wonder why it was removed for localization though?
@@sonicfanatic6733
I personally don't know,maybe Sega of America wanted Modern Sonic to be a separate universe,similar to forces.
Aryan Descendant maybe so
SonicFanatic67 Maybe to not confuse those who hadn’t played CD, or maybe to undo or hide the localization change with CD that called Amy “Sally” as a SatAM tie-in.
tbh i prefer this Knuckles' voice than the actual game
Then play SADX, cause that's the voice that's used
@@Batistadx4 bro what are you talking about aside from gameplay grunts and such, no it isn't
@@Batistadx4 No, knuckles has a noticable deeper voice in the E3 demo.
@@TanukiCris yeah because he had a different voice actor at the time. After E3 or during it they re-recorded his lines with the new one
@@Zonefire15 No? It's still the same VA, they just directed him differently for the re-recorded stuff.
Man the surrender yourself and come out line sounds really cool, imagine a creature like Chaos slowly emerging from the shadows or melting out from behind something.
And I never noticed how noble Knuckles beta voice sounds, i actually quite like it.
Love the snappy editing and cuts made here.
*Depress Longer*
You can jump longer and higher.
9:44 so the OH NO during his fight must be One of the 5% early clips that did get into the final game
That's so strange that SADX uses E3 sounds for almost every character. It seems like every day we're learning more and more about what a fucking disaster of a port it was.
Speeps is back
No it's the same voice actor, just a different performance
@@PublickGamer I didn't knew that, thanks for correcting :)
>SADX uses E3 audio
you mean to tell me that my whole life is a lie?
Amy sounds absolutely horrifying here.
12:07
Knuckles:All right! Put 'em up!
Sonic:Why my voice has been copied by Knuckles?
Knuckles:That's actually just placeholder, which changed in final version.
The Dreamcast E3 Version for Knuckles Punch and digging sounds is just like Gamecube and PC Ports LOL
And here I thought Ryan Drummond as Knuckles was something exclusive to Sonic Shuffle. I guess this explains why he was used there instead of the final's VA.
Nah, even in the E3 Demo, it was still Michael McGaharn, he just rerecorded his lines for the final release. Ryan Drummond as Knuckles is still a Shuffle exclusive.
@@DarktheEagle Is it? They must have incredibly similar voices, then, since Shuffle Knuckles sounds like the E3 voice.
@@sonicvsmariorandom Yeah. McGaharn did a deeper take on Knuckles' voice for the demo, but they were rerecorded for the final. If you listen closely to the Shuffle voice, you can CLEARLY tell that Sonic and Knuckles are voiced by the same guy. If you listen closely to E3 and Final Knuckles, you can tell it's the same guy with different direction.
@@DarktheEagle According to the video only two of Knucles' lines were voiced by Ryan Drummond in the E3 while the rest of his lines were voiced by Michael McGaharn.
@@tomasgomeziglesias6769 Yeah, but those lines are from Sonic and are likely incorrectly placed there, much like the unfinished English dub, with bits of Japanese.
Knuckles: it’s no use it’s no use it’s no use
Silver: *death glare*
Me: I'm depressed, I should watch some Sonic video to cheer myself up
Sonic video: DEPRESS LONGER
5:57 "He didn't say fire" They must be American police!
That's fucked up, but unfortunately true...
3:38 in DX (idk about dreamcast) here sonic says "options, choose the feature that you want to edit", here has a completely different dialogue by the announcer woman
I will never has as much hype and childhood wonder as i did for this consoles release with this game... such an amazing christmas day
"The sea won't reject me."- Station Square citizen.
I think we may have found an incel.
sounds like he is contemplating suicide as well
@Sneaky Snek no, no. That's actually a good point I never saw before.
Sometimes his voice sound better when he's screaming and react , but sometimes in a normal way he just sounds like Batman , sounds like the voice actor was out script
7:24 found the Sonic Team employee
So THAT'S where knuckle's "oh no" line came from.
9:43 My heart kinda stopped.
I was clearly thinking "Goodness, this performance from Knuckles is super Wooden. I can almost see where the hell that 'oh no' meme line from the boss fight came fr-"
and then it happened and I lost my goddamned mind.
So the infamous "Oh no!" is from Knuckles' opening cutscene 9:43 before the lines were re-voiced? I love that.
The haunting commentary on life as an everyday NPC in a universe full of anthropomorphic animal people is what makes SA a game. That is remembered. By some people.
I always love watching your videos, I always try to watch them as soon as possible whenever a new video comes out!
I live for this content, keep up the great work!
Me too i really love this game with the music putted in the game the video tells many the hidden items and so intresting i really love the game and sonic x anime just what happened in the plot of the game and music
1:51 Sonic: "I'm Outta Here!"
I am at peace once more too, Knux.
This is really interesting! Thanks for taking the time to compile all this. Question: you alluded to Limited Edition having an early version of the localization as well; are there any sources that detail that? That's the version I played as a kid and I'd love to know the ways it differs from the retail build.
I wasn’t sure if the mouth movements were a little stranger than in the game or if I was imagining things until I got to 14:25 and saw Sonic FREAK THE FUCK OUT when saying a simple sentence. this video is fascinating
This is a great video and shows how much has changed from the Demo but when I heard Knuckles say "Oh No!" the only thing I could say was, "I finally found that voice clip, after hearing so many youtubers use it when talking about Knuckles!". Sorry, but I still enjoyed the video
14:05 I swear Knuckles always did the drowning sound in that cutscene. Don't know if that's version specific though. I have played both DX and Dreamcast so maybe that's another thing that got through on DX again.
It was a drowning noise, just not the same version
It's coming can't wait for it to release
SPEEPS, you are the gift that keeps on giving.
You know today's going to be better than yesterday when Speeps releases a new video. ^v^
SPEEPS is back after a couple of months for more Sonic Adventure 1&2 content
I always loved how the cops are like FALL BACK and chaos is just chilling not hurting anybody.
Huh, Knuckles' dialogue is actually properly localized in this version, no weird overelaborating or silly verbal grammar errors. I wonder why they were all redone..?
This entire time, I've been hearing the E3 voice clips cuz I grew up on the DX version, and didn't even know?
I wonder why they changed his voice... I think this one suited him rather nicely.