Fitting Michelin PS4's [Mini F56 JCW] | Why You Should Buy Michelin Pilot Sport 4's
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2019
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So the time came to switch out the standard Pirelli P7 Cinturato run-flat tyres and I decided to fit Michelin Pilot Sport 4's in their place. This video shows my thoughts on the new tyres and why I think you should get rid of run-flats altogether.
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Thanks for the video I just bought 215/45 17 into a JCW f56 and the feeling into the corners and acceleration is like having glue in corners amazing tyres
Thanks for the vid & the reference.
They come with runflat tyres on because there is no spare wheel. You may find that although its not law to have one or runflats on in the UK, it may be the case elsewhere. For me the runflats are a pain in the arse saver. If you get a puncture you can just truck on to somewhere convenient to get it changed. No phaff at the side of the road even to change a wheel.
Thanks for the video. I’ve got Dunlop RF’s on my R56 JCW. I’m deffo going to get Michelin PS4’s when it’s time to replace them.
Thanks for watching! You definitely won't regret the change, makes a huge difference 👍
Thanks so much for this. Made the change to PS4s last week and the difference is night and day. Transformed the car. Out of interest what tyre pressures do you go for? Do you go for the recommended levels or slightly below given they’re not RFs?
That's awesome, glad you thought it was worthwhile! Likewise for me I would say the difference was night and day. The front end has an immense level of grip now. I go for slightly below yeah, tend to go for about 35psi which has always worked well for me!
Glad I stumbled across this, I’m looking to replace the run flats on my ‘16 JCW. It’s between these (or the PS5) and Goodyear eagle F1’s.
Yeah PS5s are also meant to be good but not tried those yet myself. The PS4s were great for me though!
Thanks man your video help me a lot to get rid of buying runflat and now I’m buying Michelin PS4s
I toured the U.K. on my JCW, so loud on P7 run-flats. Glad I had them when in the middle of nowhere but far too noisy. Worn my shoulders too. Scary at speed in the rain.
My friend has Bridgestone run-flats without a problem.
Yep that was a major annoyance with them for me. After switching the difference in noise levels is quite incredible, so much quieter on the PS4's. And yeah not sure whether it's down to the composition of the side walls or what but the shoulder lasted no time at all compared to the rest of the tyre - totally agree though, severe and sudden understeer in the wet! Interesting the Bridgestone ones are better...
Foot to Pedal I’m going for the PS4’s once my tyres are worn enough. Thanks for the video.
Yeah can't recommend them enough! I'm sure you won't regret it. No problem, thanks for watching
Would love to know the thought process of the mini engineer’s. So should we fit industry standard 225/40/18 @ £100 each or bespoke 205/40/18 @ £150 each with half the polished rim sitting outside of the tread footprint……. Made the jump to PS4 tyres today, agree with all your observations 👍
Yeah I have no idea either! It really doesn't make much sense, aside from maybe the people in charge of that decision not being fully informed? Either that or a deal with Pirelli to fit all Mini's of a certain production run with their tyres - who knows! Glad you agree, seems to be the best thing you can do to these cars, makes a huge difference 👍
225/40R18 does this size fit well?
Hey I’m glad that I found your channel! I’m actually planning to switch to PS4 for my JCW as well. Just one question, how about pressure settings for these PS4, are you using the same setting like original Dunlop one?
Thanks, you will not regret switching! I'm running slightly below what I was with the run flats, high 30s/low 40s. Seems to work well for me
Foot to Pedal oh! I now use 46 psi for front and 40 for rear..... seems I need to reduce a lot
Yeah could be worth doing, may improve the ride a little bit!
Hey, not tyre related, wanted to ask if u have the stock jcw exhaust?? Your jcw pops a lot more than mine!!
Yes totally stock! Mine is pre-OPF though so it is definitely louder than anything after 2019 or so. It also got louder as the exhaust went through more heat cycles. Thanks for watching!
@@FootToPedal mine is a 67 plate also pre OPF. I was thinking about a resonator delete. Would u recommend?? Thanks for the content 👍
I think it depends what you want from the car as I know they are very loud when you do the resonator delete, not a bad sound though! But yeah if you want more sound, is probably the best way to go. No problem, plenty more on the way 👍
Would you consider going thicker just wondering what you’re thoughts are on putting 235/40/18 on my f56
I don't think you'd be able to go that wide on the standard alloys as my understanding was 215 was the maximum width. However if you're running aftermarket wheels then I would say go for it, I'm sure that would give a tremendous level of grip on the front end but is also not wide enough for the car to tramline all over when on a cambered road.
@@FootToPedal Does the JCW roll out with 205s as standard? If so 215 would be the best call.
@@TimmehysCat Yeah 205's as standard, not particularly wide so agree 215's the best call if you want to go wider
Recently fitted PS4s to my R53, superb tyre. Now I've just gone and bought a used F56 JCW I'll be swapping the PS4s onto the new car. As for runflats, I switched over to normal tyres 11 years ago and it's just the best upgrade anyone can do.
Glad to hear you've had good experiences too! The ride quality is vastly improved when moving away from runflats, agree its one of the best things you can do to a car.
where did you find them in the correct size smallest i could find was 215s and f56 is 205s [the cooper s]
@@flight.5133 I've just checked the first three websites off the top of my head, all three have Michelin PS4's in 205/45/R17.
Look harder.
@@flight.5133 I just got mine from a local tyre shop, but I remember BlackCircles had them too. This was quite a few years ago now though and the PS5 has since been released, I don't think that is available in an 18" size yet but I'm sure it will be soon
I have a mini r58, need 2 front tyres , was looking at mp 4, not sure if I should change all 4 for non run flats....like them tyres as have Tim orotection
My recommendation would always be to run the same tyres on all 4 corners but it depends how you want the car to drive. The PS4s have decent rim protection too which is handy 👍
@@FootToPedal I have herd your tyres are more track orintated ,do u take your car on track? Do u regret changing to non runflts? You didn’t need to change suspension or anything else. Did you get a lot of punctures with the run flats? I have just bought the car so I am new to all this
@@justindabreu976 The PS4 is more of a fast road tyre than a track tyre if I'm honest. It probably wouldn't hold up hugely well after a few hard laps on track but its great on the road. I haven't tracked my car at this stage but it definitely would perform quite well (handling wise) with these tyres. No regrets from switching to non-runflats and no changes to the suspension required as the tyre is exactly the same size, just a different design to a runflat tyre. Thankfully I haven't had a puncture to date so no issues there either. Hope that helps!
Looking to purchase a full set of the PS4 - 205/45/17s. But have 2 speed rating options, 'W' which would match the manufacturers recommendation, or 'Y' . Other than speed capability, do you think the Y/higher speed rating would offer any other advantages? Sidewall stiffness or how responsive they are ??
Yeah I went for the W's on mine - Obviously there is going to be some extra strengthening with the Y speed ratings just so they can take the extra strain of high speed. I would imagine there would be some minute changes to how they feel on the road as the sidewall and contact patch of the tyre will be reinforced. However I would honestly be surprised if you could feel the difference! If you plan on doing higher speeds, I would say you'd be fine to go with the Y speed ratings 👍
@@FootToPedal thanks for your reply. I've just been advised by Michelin that the only difference in their database is the Y rated tyre being lighter by 0.1kg (maybe allowing heat to dissipate quicker, resulting in the higher speed capabilities, thats my guess though) Otherwise there should be minimal difference, if any, regarding performance and feedback. But yeah I completely agree, & something I'm unlikely to notice. Liked and subscribed 👍
@@MasterAndres0 No problem! Ah very interesting but yes I would agree with your theory. To help dissipate heat and more than likely reduce the rotational mass of the tyre itself to therefore reduce strain on it as a whole. Thanks a lot for watching, appreciate the support! 👍
@@FootToPedal Do you happen to know the difference between the Pilot Sport 4 and the Pilot Sport 4S?
@@nickblayney774 PS 4S is the high performance version of the PS4. The PS4S is not as grippy in cold weather and is more heat resistant than a PS4 so better on track but also needs more heat to activate the grip. Mk8 Fiesta ST was fitted with PS4S and is the same tyre size as the JCW - 205/40/18 but Michelin have discontinued the PS4S in that size
Hi, good video, question; how much pressure would be correct to put on these non runflat tyres, my door sticker says on p7 runflats 45psi, would it be the same in non runflats?
Thanks! I personally would put a bit less in non run flats due to the softer sidewall of the tyre. 35 to 40 PSI should be sufficient I think
A new viewer here - just wonder is it a pre-LCI or LCI JCW that you have in the video? thanks
This was an LCI 1 car, rather than LCI 2 which happened in 2021. Mine was a 2017 model, hope that helps!
@@FootToPedal Looks like a pre-LCI to me as the DRLs don't go all the way round the headlights.
@@JohnCarlyle There were 2 LCIs on the F56 generation, one in 2018 and I think another in 2020, mine was a 2018 LCI model.
@@FootToPedal You're right, 2 LCIs. Although 2018 could be either pre-LCI or LCI 1. Yours was a pre-LCI, which of course looks better than the LCI 2 :)
Do you feel that the PS4 has mediocre feedback? It doesn't signal very well when they are about to lose grip.
I find in mine it's fairly clear when they're about to lose grip. Suppose its possible any vagueness you feel could potentially be down to suspension setup and the steering. The slightly softer sidewall will definitely mean they're not as clear cut as some tyres though
@@FootToPedal Yeah I drive a 140i and its steering is pretty dead numb even if precise.
Yeah that's interesting actually, unfortunately BMW's electric racks are pretty vague these days. It was the same in my JCW but with the PS4's on there it's certainly sharpened it up and it gives me a lot more feedback now
Will you be doing or is wheel alignment needed after getting new tires?
Potentially will do once it goes in for its service soon (if needed) however this was also done when the tyres were fitted. Thanks for watching!
@@FootToPedal I have another question...do you know how to properly open the cover that houses the brake fluid reservoir? There are few spots which can be opened with a coin or a flat head screw driver, but after that the cover still doesn't open.
Sorry wouldn't be too sure on that myself - is it possible that the cover is just stuck due to a small amount of pressure in the air gap between the top of the the fluid and bottom of the cap?
@@FootToPedal Oh, no. The issue was not the cap or the fluid itself. I couldn't open the big plastic cover that brake fluid reservoir was under. I found out that there are few different screws and I saw some of them, but not all :)
Ah sorry yeah I understand you now - hmm yeah likely just some screws somewhere that arent easy to see then I would think 👍
Practise tyre rotation - front to back after 4k miles or so should even out the wear a little.
Yeah would be tempted with this set but wasnt bothered about the runflats I had on before as I always planned to change them
How does the tyre pressure monitoring cope with tyre rotation?
I suppose that RFs are tighter on the sidewall than non RF. If that is true, it is more likely to hit the rim with a kind of hole on the road. Isn’t it? Second, if the same model / size of tire, one RF and non RF cost the same, do you pick the non RF anyway?
I guess in theory yes, but if you're hitting a hole in the road with enough force to fully compress the sidewall and subsequently impact the rim, I think you've got a decent chance of doing damage whether it's RF or not, that'd be my take anyway. And personally I'd always pick a non RF tyre myself, but it's very much personal preference. They always seem to ride better to me
@@FootToPedal I appreciate your comments, I like your video.
I could not find a review comparing Michelin Primacy 3 RF vs PS4 non RF. I would like to see the behavior of both models of the same brand. When changing tires, it is likely to have a better performance in the new ones than in the used ones. Regards
Thanks very much, no problem at all! Yeah unfortunately I can't comment on that tyre as I've not used them before. But as you say new vs used tyres will always be better 👍
@@FootToPedal my car has Primacy 3 RF with half life (I bought it as it was). The other day I was on the track and the grip was amazing. I cannot imagine the behavior of new ones. Anyway, today I bought the 4 tires at a very good price at Costco. The combined savings in coupons and monthly payments with no interests is close to 30% off. Not bad 😎
Awesome to hear! I've found the PS4s to be great all year round, they seem to find traction everywhere, even in very wet conditions. Sounds like a great deal, hope you enjoy using them!
Dont kniw whether to buy these or the michelin climate+
All depends what you want to use them for! If you want high performance then go PS4s, if you want all year round usability then probably go for the Climate Crosses. However I use my PS4s all year round and have no issues, great in the dry, wet and not bad in the snow/ice either
@@FootToPedal Thanks for reply. I went for the climate+
@@MrAssassinash Sounds good, hope you enjoy them 👍
Did you have to let your insurance know that you put pilot sport 4 on
There's a lot of debate around this topic actually. Some people argue that if you retain the same tyre size it can never be classed as a mod, whereas some people report that their insurer classes any deviation from factory spec a mod, even when it comes to runflat tyres. Tbh it's ridiculous to me that something like that would ever be a mod, purely a money making scheme and get out clause. However probably best to check with your insurer as everyone's terms and conditions differ 👍
what size tyre is the ps 4 please
It really depends on the application as it can vary massively, I believe when I fitted these I got 205/40/18 but they can come in all kinds of sizes
@@FootToPedal may i ask the width of your rims ? I do see the tyres stretch a little bit (which is totally fine), i'm just wondering.
@@JasonTsimplis I don't remember the exact dimensions but it's a stock rim size and stock tyre size
The title is a bit confusing... did you fit ps4 or ps4s?
Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tyres fitted all round as mentioned throughout the video, not '4S's'
@@FootToPedal looks like great tyres.
They certainly are!
Just changed mine to these on mini r58 from run flats
Hope it was worth it!
What are you going to do if you have a puncture? There is no room for a spare wheel.
Well that is obviously a downside - I personally have a temporary puncture repair kit to get it to a garage (as long as it's not catastrophic tyre damage). The benefits of non run flat tyres hugely outweigh the downside of no spare however
Buy a can of tyre repair or the BMW repair kit spray. Then there is the AA...
I don’t use the rear seats so I carry a small spare back there.
@@FootToPedal hey can you put the link where did you buy those repair kit in the uk?
@@fellar031 Yeah no problem, I bought this one: www.halfords.com/tools/garage-equipment/breakdown-essentials/holts-tyreweld-500ml-122260.html
Why didn’t you rotate the tyres to max them out? Donut...
I wanted to change them from early on since they weren't very good, therefore didn't bother rotating them? Does that satisfy your requirements?